100% agree with the dialogue. Corruption is widely utilized, but is a hush hush subject. Youd never catch a corrupt/successful businessman speaking like this.
@AlGhaffar What that most governments are profoundly corrupt, that corporatism has run amok , or that oil is the basis of our planetary economy, or that a Milton Friedman would actually make it into an American movie made for the mass market.
@proadmin1 True what you said, but i don't see how it relates to what i said>>? Or were you simply implying without any real indication to my comment. Btw, if your statement, was truly an question, I was refering to "corruption is why we win".
@AlGhaffar No it was an observation that you're correct, and that I found this movie and many scenes in it to be disturbingly accurate AND a welcome change from what you see as modern movies.
@AlGhaffar What's freaking scary is that - at the end of the day Friedman is _theoretically_ usually pretty correct, but pretty much like no other argument I know, his deep understanding of economics,but on a practical level, it demonstrates the difference between practical reality and theory like nothing I know.
@proadmin1 I didn't read much about Friedman. I am studying business, not economics. But, generally, the subject of business is being demonstarted too much as a scientific subject lately. Business is about decision making, decisions that are logical. Not too much of a scientific subject. Hey, thanks for sharing, sounds interesting. I might look into Friedman more.
@AlGhaffar He did a video series in the 70's thats here on youtube for the most part. He's important from a business perspective, I think because he speaks directly to the free market impulse - particularly in the US. But what he fails pretty epically on is the notion - that we ALL got to see in the last few years - is what happens when corporations do not behave rationally / in their own interests - which is a fundamental notion of modern economics. Old Mr. Friedman doesn't have a good answer.
@proadmin1 Thanks for the insight. I will look it up. No rationality is correct. Too many went beyond greedy. Greed is natural, we are only humans, but when some imply sooo much greed into decision making, it just becomes stupidity. Again, thank you for the Mr Friedman stuff... and peace, friend!
@proadmin1 i think though, that if that happened in a global economy, a country wouldn't be affected. If in his version, government was truly limited to defense and ... i forget what other government agency he kept in that speech. If it was a global economy, another company could forseeably take it's place and grow and expand, of course, it'd still be messy. Truthfully though, I've never taken a class in economics, and im just guessing.
@allan199476 Yeah but it's the "messy" part that justifies the entirety of what passes for our social support structures. Consider unemployment insurance in fact does provide a real net economic benefit, because millions of people forestall/avoid homelessness and all the consequences of that to the nuclear family / basic society. It provides a level of stability that allows the middle class to continue to exist, it allows people to continue going to school, training, working on projects etc.
this may have been intended to condemn, however widespread corruption is the product of governments regulating things that really shouldn't, it makes people lose respect for the laws and makes people less critical of the corrupt. If the governments only regulated the few important and truly dangerous things, then the laws would be respected by the law abiding public and what little corruption is left would be frowned upon.
a deep scene, but the sad thing is what he says is true and when it crumbles one will say (what have we done?) then BOOOOM!!!! cannot take any of it with us.
corruption is why we are experiencing a world recession. If you have to be corrupt to get into a position of power then so have others in that group. If a group is corrupted then you can't trust nobody in that corrupted group. Eventally the group will collapse under its own corrupted weight. Then a new group of corrupted people will start the cycle over and over and over again until we, as a species wake up and learn from our mistakes.
my favorite scene of the movie: "Corruption is our protection. Corruption is what keeps us safe and warm. Corruption is why you and I are here prancing around here instead of fighting each other for scraps of meat out there in the streets. Corruption; is why we win."
thats American way of democracy for you all 'as long as l get what l want you are free'
kogii77 2 weeks ago
100% agree with the dialogue. Corruption is widely utilized, but is a hush hush subject. Youd never catch a corrupt/successful businessman speaking like this.
IamFreeRu 6 months ago
you've got to interpret this as corruption that results from govt regulations... .btw Friedman never actually said this..
stgodless 6 months ago
i hope nobody truly believes this shit haha
AlGhaffar 10 months ago
@AlGhaffar What that most governments are profoundly corrupt, that corporatism has run amok , or that oil is the basis of our planetary economy, or that a Milton Friedman would actually make it into an American movie made for the mass market.
proadmin1 8 months ago
@proadmin1 True what you said, but i don't see how it relates to what i said>>? Or were you simply implying without any real indication to my comment. Btw, if your statement, was truly an question, I was refering to "corruption is why we win".
AlGhaffar 8 months ago
@AlGhaffar No it was an observation that you're correct, and that I found this movie and many scenes in it to be disturbingly accurate AND a welcome change from what you see as modern movies.
proadmin1 8 months ago
@proadmin1 OK. Now, i see how it makes sense then. Btw, I agree. Many scenes are accurate.
AlGhaffar 8 months ago
@AlGhaffar What's freaking scary is that - at the end of the day Friedman is _theoretically_ usually pretty correct, but pretty much like no other argument I know, his deep understanding of economics,but on a practical level, it demonstrates the difference between practical reality and theory like nothing I know.
proadmin1 8 months ago
@proadmin1 I didn't read much about Friedman. I am studying business, not economics. But, generally, the subject of business is being demonstarted too much as a scientific subject lately. Business is about decision making, decisions that are logical. Not too much of a scientific subject. Hey, thanks for sharing, sounds interesting. I might look into Friedman more.
AlGhaffar 8 months ago
@AlGhaffar He did a video series in the 70's thats here on youtube for the most part. He's important from a business perspective, I think because he speaks directly to the free market impulse - particularly in the US. But what he fails pretty epically on is the notion - that we ALL got to see in the last few years - is what happens when corporations do not behave rationally / in their own interests - which is a fundamental notion of modern economics. Old Mr. Friedman doesn't have a good answer.
proadmin1 8 months ago
@proadmin1 Thanks for the insight. I will look it up. No rationality is correct. Too many went beyond greedy. Greed is natural, we are only humans, but when some imply sooo much greed into decision making, it just becomes stupidity. Again, thank you for the Mr Friedman stuff... and peace, friend!
AlGhaffar 8 months ago
@proadmin1 i think though, that if that happened in a global economy, a country wouldn't be affected. If in his version, government was truly limited to defense and ... i forget what other government agency he kept in that speech. If it was a global economy, another company could forseeably take it's place and grow and expand, of course, it'd still be messy. Truthfully though, I've never taken a class in economics, and im just guessing.
allan199476 6 months ago
@allan199476 Yeah but it's the "messy" part that justifies the entirety of what passes for our social support structures. Consider unemployment insurance in fact does provide a real net economic benefit, because millions of people forestall/avoid homelessness and all the consequences of that to the nuclear family / basic society. It provides a level of stability that allows the middle class to continue to exist, it allows people to continue going to school, training, working on projects etc.
proadmin1 6 months ago
Dan Dalton is my hero.
ACRanger13 1 year ago 2
this may have been intended to condemn, however widespread corruption is the product of governments regulating things that really shouldn't, it makes people lose respect for the laws and makes people less critical of the corrupt. If the governments only regulated the few important and truly dangerous things, then the laws would be respected by the law abiding public and what little corruption is left would be frowned upon.
kubaniski 1 year ago
One of the best monologues in one of the best movies filmed.
PiterdeVries03 1 year ago
Milton Friedman is burning in hell
Can't wait for Thomas Friedman to join him
TurboSpaghettiRobot 2 years ago
@TurboSpaghettiRobot
u mad, bro?
crashoveride1288 11 months ago
I thought that guy got turned into a horny toad.
SAGEBOT500 2 years ago
Fuck Milton Friedman
AndroidPolitician 2 years ago
Meet The Leader! Hulk Smash!!!
AgaMbadi 2 years ago
i love tim blake nelson. I wish he were in more starring roles...
johnplaystuba 2 years ago 2
I hated Danny D. Slime ball!!
6Ott7 2 years ago
a deep scene, but the sad thing is what he says is true and when it crumbles one will say (what have we done?) then BOOOOM!!!! cannot take any of it with us.
lucard001 2 years ago 3
corruption is why we are experiencing a world recession. If you have to be corrupt to get into a position of power then so have others in that group. If a group is corrupted then you can't trust nobody in that corrupted group. Eventally the group will collapse under its own corrupted weight. Then a new group of corrupted people will start the cycle over and over and over again until we, as a species wake up and learn from our mistakes.
Corruption is why we all lose in the long run :-)
400oakley20 3 years ago
very Gordon Gecko.
kosemekars 3 years ago 3
my favorite scene of the movie: "Corruption is our protection. Corruption is what keeps us safe and warm. Corruption is why you and I are here prancing around here instead of fighting each other for scraps of meat out there in the streets. Corruption; is why we win."
hani273nhk 3 years ago 10
This was one of my favorite scenes of the movie.
4iiii 3 years ago 7
truer words have hardly ever been spoken on film.
abskebabs 4 years ago 14
@abskebabs Pffft you're a retard.
Pi11z3ury 1 year ago