I love all this mental masturbation but Holy Crap. Why even give the argument this much credit and just chalk it up to Bull Shit laid upon the people as a form of mind control and leave it at that. The important thing is to understand the unreparable damage religion does to normal minds and then go about protecting children from it before it's too late for another generation of humans to understand life from a viewpoint of logic.
Apparently, "god" takes away all bad memories and renders you mindlessly blissful. Theists should do the world a favor and stab each other in the faces to death with frozen fish. The only reason I need to be Atheist is because Theist can't prove any of the bullshit claims they make. "To understand god, you have to believe." is just not gonna cut it. Go Go Gadget Science! Oh, and Hail Sauce, full of Beef.
@Requiemxtoxinnocence nope my friend, the only concept you can give to god about his "Timelessness" is "never" because something that "exists" outside of time is something that never existed. see? lol
Craig uses logical impossibility that restricts god's omnipotence. ie he can't make free will without evil existing like he can't make a square circle etc.
2 problems:
God himself is a logical impossibility. ie a being that is timeless, uncaused, transcends reality and can create matter/energy from nothing. All these things are logically impossible.
Secondly it does not address evils like children's diseases. Also why does God allow all evil not just the evil that is required for free will?
I know this is off subject. But, there's an even simpler proof that the Biblical God cannot exist. In the Bible it claims that God is omniscient, and that he gave us free will. Now, wouldn't it follow that if God has infinite knowledge, then he'd know what my choices will be before I'm even born?..So, for every person who has died an atheist and went to hell, God would have already known that they'd be an atheist, die an atheist, and subsequently, go to Hell. So, why'd he even create them?
@itzahazylife he probably isn't the christian god and doesn't actually care what we think of him(if he did he would not be foolish enough to avoid showing himself), hence faith wouldn't be part of the requisite for heaven as he wouldn't really care about it.
The best answer I've ever heard from a Christian is that without suffering, we wouldn't know pleasure..you need the opposite to create the distinction..That's a decent point, but why so much suffering?..it seems largely out of balance.
the free will argument also does nothing to explain natural evil, such as the above mentioned typhoon, or diseases, cancer, etc. None of these need to exist in order to allow free will to exist.
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Oh great - yet another friggin thinker/genius - another clanging gong to add to the noise. You're in love with the sound of your own voice and are actually quite dim. Sorry to have to break it to you. Talk talk talk talk blah blah - keep it up, man, you're making SOOOOO much sense!
@jbooks888 You facetious critique of the OP aside, I live in the United States of America, and here, I thank what goodness is left in the world any time I see someone attempting to formulate thoughts. "Oh great, another friggin' thinker..." is never a response I'll have. I need to move to where you are. Where are you, that making attempts at philosophy, critical thinking and the likes happen to be banalities?
@DarkAntics Have you read up on antony flew, J.J. Mackie, Michael Tooley, David Lewis, Geirsson and Losonsky? They have made objections to Platinga's free will defense although most philosophers see evil as solved working their arguments into yours after reading into them might make for a good combined argument against Platinga's solution.
@OccamKant@ With the information I have thus far humans do not have free will their will is merely an expression of their physical nature (DNA ) environment, etc.
What always gets me is, so christians go to heaven but wud they realy be happy knowing other humans, maby even loved ones r burning in hell?? Lol, the hole structures flawed.. peace
Hey Dark, I was wondering your opinions on islam and its teachings. Did you ever research them?
Though most of the logical fallacies you present are valid for islam as well, islam's approach to this life and good and evil is a bit different. God created evil to see who does good and who does evil so that he rewards and punishes accordingly. So, the world is a testing ground to see who does good deeds and who does evil and sort them out to heaven and hell accordingly. Life's a test.
@SuperMemzzz Calamities that also fall on people in this world are test by god (allah) as well to see who is going to be patient and endure it for the sake of god and who will resent...So, calamities are actually justified like that. And since this world is temporary and god is testing us, no matter what happens we just need to be patient and pray to god to pass the test. If we do so, we will be in heaven forever. That is the real life.
@angelkitten5679012 everyone, supposedly, have a potential to pass. Just become a muslim: believe in allah as one god and mohammed as his last and best prophet, pray five times a day (if you don't you will pray every prayer you missed on a hot grill in hell that will strip off your skin and it will regrow for you to lose'em again in agony), fast during ramadan every year, go to pilgrimage to macca once in your life time, give charity to poor every ramadan. These should be enough for you to pass!
@CartesianTheist Your policy of blocking people for being 'wrong' is the sign of a true coward and you are without a doubt t he biggest coward on youtube.
@CartesianTheist You probably have more atheists blocked than VenomFangX, that is how pathetic you are. Open your comments up if you plan on taking valid criticism, all you want to do is sit around and circle jerk with the idiots in your comment section about how right you were when you were actually completely wrong.
@CartesianTheist How many times have you spent making yourself look like a complete jackass in comments and then when you figured out you lost the argument anyway you declare the person was just wrong by fiat so you have to block them and delete every comment because they were in your opinion wrong? Who needs to delete an entire conversation because the other side was incorrect?
@CartesianTheist If you outright get called out as an idiot all you are going to do is the patented CartesianTheist method of blocking the person and deleting every bit of this like it didn't happen. Why do you insist on being so dishonest time and time again?
When Craig says there is no "explicit" contradiction between God and evil, and that there is only possibly an "implicit" contradiction expressed by some "hidden premises" he is not talking about what you call your premise 2, 3, or 4. First of all, Craig does not think those premises are hidden at all, those premises are built into his definition of God... but even if we pretend they are not.. nothing about premise 2, 3, or 4 contains an "explicit" contradiction. Do you disagree?
How can there be Free Will with an all knowing God??..if he knows all(past, present and future) then nothing you do is of your own volition......am I missing something here??..
If you traveled to the future and observed someone using their free will to buy a pack of oreos and then you return to your present time, does your foreknowledge of their free will decision mean the decision was not really a product of free will?
@Epydemic2020 I mean if Yahweh knows what your gonna do before you do it, where's the free will?...how is it free will if your decision is already preordained?....If I tell you to pick A or B, knowing beforehand your decision would be A..then B was never really an option was it?....
@Epydemic2020 I think your analogy is flawed because it assumes preference in taste is a decision, yes you can decide whether to buy the oreo's but not whether or not you like oreo's in the first place....certain things like sexual orientation or taste preference are biological/environmental...not decision based...
In my example, God is not involved. If you want to reject free will before the thought experiment begins.. feel free. Just know that in doing so you are not rejecting it on the grounds "foreknowledge makes free will impossible". If you want to think "foreknowledge makes free will impossible" then you must first (at least hypothetically) posit free will, and then show how adding foreknowledge makes that impossible.
@Epydemic2020 OK, lets use me for the example..if Yahweh knows all my future actions before I do, then that would entail my future to be predetermined(he can't be wrong can he?), so any action I take would have to correspond with Yahweh's foreknowledge..because again an omniscient being can't be wrong, so I'd have no free will to act differently....
@Epydemic2020 But God created us with 100% knowledge of what we would choose. Lets say I create a robot and give it the option of opening 1 of 4 boxes. In one scenario I pre program the robot to choose box 2. In another scenario I can know that if I make the robot in a certain way and have all of the right circumstances come together in just the right way the robot will choose box 2. Is there any difference? Both robots are destined to choose box 2 no matter what, the future is locked in.
Lol, you already don't think robots have free will.
For a more apt scenario, you have to start with a scenario where free will exists and then show that foreknowledge removes it.
Imagine that someone uses there free will to buy orange juice on a Tuesday.
Now imagine that the week before, someone time traveled and observed them use their free will to buy orange juice next Tuesday. If they return to the past, does their knowledge of the future remove the buyers free will?
@Epydemic2020 That was a poorly constructed scenario. I should have and what I meant to say is that in the second scenario the robots were intelligent and able to make decisions.
I think it absolutely removes their free will. If we have free will, we must have the ability to choose to do otherwise. If the future is set in stone, any thing we do is 100% guaranteed to happen and no matter how much it may feel like we have made a choice, this would be an illusion.
@Epydemic2020 If a robot is pre programmed to choose box number 2, its future is set in stone. If god knows what box a human will choose before he/she does it, his/her future is also set in stone. It would literally be impossible for either one to have chosen a different box.
A robot cannot choose a different box because of the programming.
A human can choose whatever box they want, but whatever box they choose God will have known about it.
These are quite different scenarios. You are acting as if God's knoweldge occurrs and then dictates what choice will be, where most Christians would argue that our choice dictates what God's knowledge would be.
@Epydemic2020 "A robot cannot choose a different box because of the programming. A human can choose whatever box they want, but whatever box they choose God will have known about it."
And where does that "want" come from? How do you know it's not fed to you, just like the computer program feeds the robot?
This discussion with ryan84160 is not about "does free will exist?" it is about "does omniscience prove free will does not exist?". My comments here are only defending the notion that the latter question is answered "no".
@Epydemic2020 "it is about "does omniscience prove free will does not exist?"."
This question always seems to result in the Christians saying that God knows everything but he's not controlling your actions, so you still have free will.
Whether or not he's controlling your actions is irrelevant. If all is preordained, like water running downhill, then you STILL don't have a choice, any more than water can choose to go uphill. You are running off a script, even though you're not aware of it.
@Epydemic2020 I am not saying that god dictates our choices, I am saying that if the future is carved in stone, then we have no free will.
If I select box number 2, even if I feel in my mind as if I wanted to select this box, I had no choice in the matter as it would be 100% impossible for not to select it. If it is 100% impossible to select any other option, how can we be freely choosing?
" I am not saying that god dictates our choices, I am saying that if the future is carved in stone, then we have no free will."
If you are not saying "God dictates our choices" then you are also not saying "the future is cared in stone". It our choice dictates what God's knowledge will be rather than the other way around, then the future is not carved in stone.
@Epydemic2020 He can the future be known with 100% certainty and also not be set in stone ?
I am saying its not necessary for God to dictate our choices for the future to be set in stone. A universe in which the the future is set in stone and God does not even exist is possible.
@CartesianTheist just curious...would you give DarkMatter the same respect as you're requesting?...and do you have an open comment section or are you one of those theists that always seems to suspiciously have a 'comment approval' with their videos?
theres not much that i can say that hasnt already been said about the argument posed so i will say this, you should grow a beard, not just tiny little goatee either im talking like epic Dumbledore type beard
Well... what can you expect? Religious people will always end up contradicting themselves because all arguments are either apologetic or as you rightly stated "fantastic" (or both).
@CartesianTheist : Gotta love how theists assert how other people are feeling if those people happen to disagree with then. Then again, when your whole life is based on a lie, how's one more gonna hurt?
@CartesianTheist, and I'm sure your little militia of sycophants will be there to pat your back no matter what you come up with. And the impartial judges will be...? I expect more honesty from my subs. They're not religious, you see. They don't feel obligated to follow no matter what. If I say something they disagree with, they tell me.
@CartesianTheist, and I'm sure your little militia of sycophants will be there to pat your back no matter what you come up with. And the impartial judges will be...? I expect more honesty from my subs. They're not religious, you see. They don't feel obligated to follow no matter what. If I say something they disagree with, they tell me.
@CartesianTheist, If your video response is akin to this, then I'm going to utterly crush you. You're too obsessed with people rather than argument. Worry less about defending Craig; worry more about addressing the problem of God wanting to freely draw us through a narrow path to heaven being somehow morally sufficient for allowing the vast majority to suffer and perish for those select few, who no doubt include such illustrious individuals as yourself. Billions suffer for your spot in heaven.
Seems clear that anything with enough power to cause otherwise decent people to deliberately lie to themselves and to their kids is 'Evil'. People will do practically anything to avoid facing the possibility that their parents has told them a bunch of lies. Honesty in people exists in spite of religion not because of it.
Agreed, to a point. The universe is both hostile, and kind and caring. Money isn't the only way to put food on the table, as I plan to find out as I wean myself from the grid. The first thing I plan to do is start growing my own food in the garage. I guess to me benevolence doesn't mean you get loot for free - it just means that there are forces that are with you. We have the opportunity to recognize and work with them.
William Lane Craig is the King of the Strawman Argument. He's a dodgy, sneaky debater who will go so far as to force changes to debate formats if he thinks he's going up against a strong adversary.
But...I'm sure he makes a great living at it. If America hasn't figured it out yet, the reason God is so big in the USA is that God is big, tax-free business. Tax the churches. That should slow those lying scumbags down a little.
there is not a philosophy which can enter to deep thought of creation..it is just wishes and guesses ..i am alive , my surroundings are nothing but a coincidence for me..the design itself does not satisfy me..so be it..
Pure logic brought me to the conclusion that there IS god, and that our free will is limited. We can either choose to follow Gods way, or not. I should clarify that I make a distinction between biblical God and the transcendent creator/s of the universe, which I call God, because I am completely dependent on the benevolence of the universe for my survival. And maybe dependent on how my judgement works with that. Humans create evil. Nature isn't evil, we just see it that way sometimes.
So you spend all day, every day without doing anything constructive and food and shelter just heap themselves upon you? Or would it be safe to say that you are a creature that can and does actively engage in behaviors that allow you to earn money and be benevolent to yourself? The vast majority of the universe would kill you quickly or faster. That this one small corner is significantly less lethal does not mean that the universe is kind or caring.
@akaei0 Note the baby. The vast majority of the universe, let alone the outside world would kill it. Yet the most powerful creature on the planet was once that?
I over watered a fern once. It died. I had another fern that didn't get enough sunlight. Also dead. But after 100+ days under presumably deep water, the herbivores of the arc got out and managed to find food. It's a miracle!
Well said. I also want to point out another problem with free will coming straight from the Bible. Exodus 10:20 "But the LORD hardened Pharaoh's heart, and he did not let the children of Israel go." It was really God who didn't let his own people go. 2Th 2:11 "And for this reason God will send them strong delusion, that they should believe the lie..." And there are many verses on predestination. The free will argument is a theological mess.
God, the all-knowing, all powerful, and all-good being that created and runs the universe tortures people to "bring them freely into the Kingdom of god."
By that logic god doesn't just merely "allow" evil to exist, it created it as part of it's "plan." (okay)
Therefore, god created evil to torture the innocent to force people to follow its brutal orders. Therefore god is either a liar and an evil serial killer terrorist, or a scam invented to fleece the flock.
Let's put a bunch of devout christians on a volcanic island on a fault line. They can all pray day and night that the volcanoe won't erupt and an earthquake won't sink them into the sea and then when it does happen they'll finally understand....oh no wait they'll just think it's a sign from god that they haven't pryed hard enough d'oh.
Hey DA/Dm who the "F" ARE you? This is very respectable philosophy you're doing here. You cite the serious contenders, and not (say) the strawman peanut butter/banana "arguments."
Finally.
And the DM cartoons are extremely well done. Why aren't you on the talk circuit? Get your ass out there! Christopher Hitchens is about to die, so.....
If god exists, how could we humans who he created be able to understand his form of logic? Every action humans take is based on the basic instinct of survival and because of this our logic is based on our own survival. So how can we, beings created by a higher power, know the reason behind his words? In the end our world is full of sinners in all ancient religions and we must beg for forgiveness or accept that when we die, there is nothing left. A thought so depressing it could promote suicide.
"If god exists, how could we humans who he created be able to understand his form of logic?"
I've heard this question before... but in every Abrahamic scripture God *does not* act like some higher, inscrutable, intellect. He acts exactly like a spoiled baby. Singularly unimpressive and all too human.
"In the end our world is full of sinners in all ancient religions and we must beg for forgiveness or accept that when we die, there is nothing left."
@bowlsallbroken Funny, I've seen full grown adults act like spoiled children as well. Even the ones who claim god does not exist. Heck ive seen full grown adults base their logic on childish backings which make sense at all. The majority of the time that people don't believe in god is because they think that he would act as they would. They think that he should give some sign of his existence because otherwise there is no point in believing what they cannot prove. Which contradicts themselves.
"The majority of the time that people don't believe in god is because they think that he would act as they would. "
For me, God, in Abrahamic scripture acts in ways I wouldn't dream of. I wouldn't perform or endorse genocide, murder, rape, slavery, etc. These scriptures also make it clear that the basic rational for such behavior is that this perfect/benevolent being *really* wants people to kiss his ass eternally. Nothing more noble.
"They think that he should give some sign of his existence because otherwise there is no point in believing what they cannot prove. Which contradicts themselves."
There's a family of leprechauns living in my backyard. They are invisible except to people who already truly believe they exist. It takes total faith.
Two questions:
1) Do you believe me?
2) If I showed you some old books saying leprechauns are real, and people who believe said books, would that change your mind?
@bowlsallbroken You realize taking only small quotes of my words out of context and attacking them individually accomplishes a failed attempt at winning an argument right? Also, the belief in small mythical creatures and the belief that the world and humanity was created by a higher power don't really make sense to compare since the belief in god is built into multiple aspects of our society. Btw YouTube makes it hard for me to get my point through because of character limits.
LOL my "small quote" was like a third of your post. Between my *two* posts I quoted damn near half of your comment. Show me where I misrepresented you or stop whining.
"don't really make sense to compare since the belief in god is built into multiple aspects of our society."
So.... age and popularity of a belief are more important to assessing its truth than evidence?
No wonder you're afraid to give my questions a straight answer.
man what a good response to gwyain. "nuh-uh he didnt refute the free will defense because nobody agrees with him and he isnt peer reviewed" oh so argument from authority? he has to have people agree with him and peer review is argument in order for it to be valid? no just stop it. thats absurd. lets see you demonstrate how he didnt refute the free will defense. and also, im pretty sure i can demonstrate free will is impossible if god exists with an argument from omniscience.
@CartesianTheist For one, Craig was not summarizing, he was misrepresenting it. Then you attack DarkAntics as opposed to his argument. What Dark was doing was showing how Craig is a liar. He then refutes the Freewill defense, in a logical manner. Not only have you strawmanned him, you then attacked his credibility, and following this you essentially Red Herring it by changing the subject to his other videos - at which point you attack him again from a different point.
How was I not subbed to your channel? I love this style of video, it suits you so well. You rawk. :) Hope you're doing well sweetie! Hugs n luff. XOXO
I would like someone to explain how Christians can claim that god is all-powerful and loving if god has the power to cause miracles and yet allows people, even innocent children, to be abused and killed? Also, isn’t causing miracles interfering with free will?
In other words, "god's" whole plan is pretty much an experiment to make him feel
better about himself or inflate his ego even more. Na, I don't think so. There is no god. It is all HUMAN ideas and traits; don't you think god would be a little less primitive and stupid than he is throughout any of these "holy" books? He is exactly like any ancient, male human of the time period; how mysterious! And this isn't just in regards to christians, as religions such as islam are even worse.
Man, you are badass. I would never have expected, well, you, behind the voice in your animations. Hope you don't take that offensively, I'm sure you can quite easily kick my ass.
You should go on the Atheist Experience. I would so love to see you kick some ass on that show.
AureliusIX 4 days ago
Oh my God DarkMatter. You are the best.
leelue7 2 weeks ago
can we say mind fuck? lol good vid, good points
Neesharani 2 weeks ago
I love all this mental masturbation but Holy Crap. Why even give the argument this much credit and just chalk it up to Bull Shit laid upon the people as a form of mind control and leave it at that. The important thing is to understand the unreparable damage religion does to normal minds and then go about protecting children from it before it's too late for another generation of humans to understand life from a viewpoint of logic.
Maxamus101 2 weeks ago
THAT WAS IN ONE TAKE!??!
I would envy you if i wasnt afraid if hell
:)
Dersabom 3 weeks ago
Holy fuck my mind just got blown.
L3mings 3 weeks ago
Apparently, "god" takes away all bad memories and renders you mindlessly blissful. Theists should do the world a favor and stab each other in the faces to death with frozen fish. The only reason I need to be Atheist is because Theist can't prove any of the bullshit claims they make. "To understand god, you have to believe." is just not gonna cut it. Go Go Gadget Science! Oh, and Hail Sauce, full of Beef.
TheCrimsonification 2 months ago
to most Christians Reason is treason
FR0STY0115 2 months ago
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theniftyneddd 2 months ago
Damn, what a disgusting liar William Lane Craig is..: (
winterstellar 2 months ago
DarkMatter is the man! IDK about that wallpaper though.....
kingcarcas1349 2 months ago
@kingcarcas1349
it matches the design on the chair...
flashoftruth 2 months ago
timeless - without movement
spaceless - made neither of matter or energy
immaterial - invisible and undetectable
eternal - always there
god sounds a lot like nothing
Requiemxtoxinnocence 3 months ago 28
@Requiemxtoxinnocence maybe nothing just sounds like god? Ha! You didn't count on the obverse point being made I bet! Checkmate!
integralmath 2 months ago
@Requiemxtoxinnocence nope my friend, the only concept you can give to god about his "Timelessness" is "never" because something that "exists" outside of time is something that never existed. see? lol
PeacefulHobbit 2 months ago
epicurus the original Atheist gangster.
drakegod84 3 months ago 4
Craig uses logical impossibility that restricts god's omnipotence. ie he can't make free will without evil existing like he can't make a square circle etc.
2 problems:
God himself is a logical impossibility. ie a being that is timeless, uncaused, transcends reality and can create matter/energy from nothing. All these things are logically impossible.
Secondly it does not address evils like children's diseases. Also why does God allow all evil not just the evil that is required for free will?
whistletom 3 months ago
The free will defense is unconvincing simply because creating free will is like drawing a square circle
Manyhigh 3 months ago
the problem is that not everyone has free will due to laws and political parties saying what we cannot do.... so the free will defence STILL fails...
doombybbr 3 months ago
I know this is off subject. But, there's an even simpler proof that the Biblical God cannot exist. In the Bible it claims that God is omniscient, and that he gave us free will. Now, wouldn't it follow that if God has infinite knowledge, then he'd know what my choices will be before I'm even born?..So, for every person who has died an atheist and went to hell, God would have already known that they'd be an atheist, die an atheist, and subsequently, go to Hell. So, why'd he even create them?
itzahazylife 3 months ago
@itzahazylife he probably isn't the christian god and doesn't actually care what we think of him(if he did he would not be foolish enough to avoid showing himself), hence faith wouldn't be part of the requisite for heaven as he wouldn't really care about it.
doombybbr 3 months ago
The best answer I've ever heard from a Christian is that without suffering, we wouldn't know pleasure..you need the opposite to create the distinction..That's a decent point, but why so much suffering?..it seems largely out of balance.
itzahazylife 3 months ago
god is good ask ask any christian
motobecanlivecom 3 months ago
amazing!
dantebezze 3 months ago
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25Lode 4 months ago
Thanks for doing this...... "Dr" Craig is a fucking TOOLBAG and I am sick of his arrogance.
treefireguy 4 months ago
the free will argument also does nothing to explain natural evil, such as the above mentioned typhoon, or diseases, cancer, etc. None of these need to exist in order to allow free will to exist.
imreadydoctor 4 months ago
God is big business. That's why "be deceptive."
Excellent arguments, DA.
554466551 4 months ago
Checkmate!!! your great
MrSam250099 4 months ago
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Oh great - yet another friggin thinker/genius - another clanging gong to add to the noise. You're in love with the sound of your own voice and are actually quite dim. Sorry to have to break it to you. Talk talk talk talk blah blah - keep it up, man, you're making SOOOOO much sense!
jbooks888 4 months ago
@jbooks888 You facetious critique of the OP aside, I live in the United States of America, and here, I thank what goodness is left in the world any time I see someone attempting to formulate thoughts. "Oh great, another friggin' thinker..." is never a response I'll have. I need to move to where you are. Where are you, that making attempts at philosophy, critical thinking and the likes happen to be banalities?
themediocrenontheist 4 months ago
@themediocrenontheist I just thought that his premise was faulty, s'all.
jbooks888 4 months ago
@jbooks888 one of you is certainly ignorant
mvigno2 3 months ago
@DarkAntics Have you read up on antony flew, J.J. Mackie, Michael Tooley, David Lewis, Geirsson and Losonsky? They have made objections to Platinga's free will defense although most philosophers see evil as solved working their arguments into yours after reading into them might make for a good combined argument against Platinga's solution.
Requiemxtoxinnocence 4 months ago
@OccamKant@ With the information I have thus far humans do not have free will their will is merely an expression of their physical nature (DNA ) environment, etc.
OpenAirAtheist 4 months ago
What is your facebook darkantics?
Dysentery7885 4 months ago
@Dysentery7885 He's Darkmatter2525, its on FB.
maggotxiv 4 months ago
No surprise
Another intelligent atheist
Keep up the good work!
What always gets me is, so christians go to heaven but wud they realy be happy knowing other humans, maby even loved ones r burning in hell?? Lol, the hole structures flawed.. peace
Mindslave1985 4 months ago 13
This video was just great. thankyou.
Dysentery7885 4 months ago
LOL irony, I see a commercial about a person who says she is a mormon on an atheist's channel.
DarkPhoenixSaga 4 months ago
@DarkPhoenixSaga That would be a YouTube promoted channel.
Kaptain03 4 months ago
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DarkPhoenixSaga 4 months ago
Wow ... didn't know you were so hot man. I've really enjoyed your cartoons ... wish I knew you personally ... <3
Kronoan 5 months ago
Hey Dark, I was wondering your opinions on islam and its teachings. Did you ever research them?
Though most of the logical fallacies you present are valid for islam as well, islam's approach to this life and good and evil is a bit different. God created evil to see who does good and who does evil so that he rewards and punishes accordingly. So, the world is a testing ground to see who does good deeds and who does evil and sort them out to heaven and hell accordingly. Life's a test.
SuperMemzzz 5 months ago
@SuperMemzzz Calamities that also fall on people in this world are test by god (allah) as well to see who is going to be patient and endure it for the sake of god and who will resent...So, calamities are actually justified like that. And since this world is temporary and god is testing us, no matter what happens we just need to be patient and pray to god to pass the test. If we do so, we will be in heaven forever. That is the real life.
SuperMemzzz 5 months ago
@SuperMemzzz This is a dumb test then. I'm gonna fail just by taking it.
angelkitten5679012 5 months ago
@angelkitten5679012 everyone, supposedly, have a potential to pass. Just become a muslim: believe in allah as one god and mohammed as his last and best prophet, pray five times a day (if you don't you will pray every prayer you missed on a hot grill in hell that will strip off your skin and it will regrow for you to lose'em again in agony), fast during ramadan every year, go to pilgrimage to macca once in your life time, give charity to poor every ramadan. These should be enough for you to pass!
SuperMemzzz 5 months ago
@SuperMemzzz ..........Yeah, fuck it I'll fail the test.
angelkitten5679012 5 months ago
@angelkitten5679012 ROFL! Pretty much what I am going for lol
SuperMemzzz 5 months ago
@SuperMemzzz Screw that man. I'm more worried about failing my biology test.
angelkitten5679012 5 months ago
Hey smart guy, you lied about Craig not mentioning God's ominpotence, omniscience, and omnibenevolence: watch?v=pymBKnAacc8
exposed2000 5 months ago
From a Calvinistic perspective the "problem of evil" is quite overestimated.
With Scripture as the aksiom:
1. God is just. (Deut 32.4 and Isaiah 45.21)
2. God causes evil things to take place (Isaish 45.7 and Amos 3.6)
3. God justly causes evil things to take place.
Psuedoreality 5 months ago
Alvin Plantinga actually says the same thing Craig says - that the traditional logical problem of evil is invalid (God, Freedom, and Evil).
legodesi 5 months ago
Craig is right.
legodesi 5 months ago
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@CartesianTheist Your policy of blocking people for being 'wrong' is the sign of a true coward and you are without a doubt t he biggest coward on youtube.
adrenacrumb 5 months ago
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@CartesianTheist You probably have more atheists blocked than VenomFangX, that is how pathetic you are. Open your comments up if you plan on taking valid criticism, all you want to do is sit around and circle jerk with the idiots in your comment section about how right you were when you were actually completely wrong.
adrenacrumb 5 months ago
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@CartesianTheist How many times have you spent making yourself look like a complete jackass in comments and then when you figured out you lost the argument anyway you declare the person was just wrong by fiat so you have to block them and delete every comment because they were in your opinion wrong? Who needs to delete an entire conversation because the other side was incorrect?
adrenacrumb 5 months ago
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@CartesianTheist If you outright get called out as an idiot all you are going to do is the patented CartesianTheist method of blocking the person and deleting every bit of this like it didn't happen. Why do you insist on being so dishonest time and time again?
adrenacrumb 5 months ago
the only cool bald guy
TheOrangeReaper 5 months ago
When Craig says there is no "explicit" contradiction between God and evil, and that there is only possibly an "implicit" contradiction expressed by some "hidden premises" he is not talking about what you call your premise 2, 3, or 4. First of all, Craig does not think those premises are hidden at all, those premises are built into his definition of God... but even if we pretend they are not.. nothing about premise 2, 3, or 4 contains an "explicit" contradiction. Do you disagree?
Epydemic2020 5 months ago
How can there be Free Will with an all knowing God??..if he knows all(past, present and future) then nothing you do is of your own volition......am I missing something here??..
23Tev 5 months ago
@23Tev
If you traveled to the future and observed someone using their free will to buy a pack of oreos and then you return to your present time, does your foreknowledge of their free will decision mean the decision was not really a product of free will?
Epydemic2020 5 months ago
@Epydemic2020 I mean if Yahweh knows what your gonna do before you do it, where's the free will?...how is it free will if your decision is already preordained?....If I tell you to pick A or B, knowing beforehand your decision would be A..then B was never really an option was it?....
23Tev 5 months ago
@23Tev
I never argued that a decision was "preordained" but I would argue that the decision was "preknown".
I think if you answer the thought experiment about the time traveler you will see the point I would then make about God.
Epydemic2020 5 months ago
@Epydemic2020 I think your analogy is flawed because it assumes preference in taste is a decision, yes you can decide whether to buy the oreo's but not whether or not you like oreo's in the first place....certain things like sexual orientation or taste preference are biological/environmental...not decision based...
23Tev 5 months ago
@23Tev
In my example, God is not involved. If you want to reject free will before the thought experiment begins.. feel free. Just know that in doing so you are not rejecting it on the grounds "foreknowledge makes free will impossible". If you want to think "foreknowledge makes free will impossible" then you must first (at least hypothetically) posit free will, and then show how adding foreknowledge makes that impossible.
Epydemic2020 5 months ago
@Epydemic2020 OK, lets use me for the example..if Yahweh knows all my future actions before I do, then that would entail my future to be predetermined(he can't be wrong can he?), so any action I take would have to correspond with Yahweh's foreknowledge..because again an omniscient being can't be wrong, so I'd have no free will to act differently....
23Tev 5 months ago
@23Tev
Whatever we freely choose, God would foreknow.
You are arguing that God's knowledge forces our choice.
I am arguing that our choice would determine what God knows.
That is the difference between predestination and mere foreknowledge.
Epydemic2020 5 months ago
@Epydemic2020 But God created us with 100% knowledge of what we would choose. Lets say I create a robot and give it the option of opening 1 of 4 boxes. In one scenario I pre program the robot to choose box 2. In another scenario I can know that if I make the robot in a certain way and have all of the right circumstances come together in just the right way the robot will choose box 2. Is there any difference? Both robots are destined to choose box 2 no matter what, the future is locked in.
ryan84160 5 months ago
@ryan84160
Lol, you already don't think robots have free will.
For a more apt scenario, you have to start with a scenario where free will exists and then show that foreknowledge removes it.
Imagine that someone uses there free will to buy orange juice on a Tuesday.
Now imagine that the week before, someone time traveled and observed them use their free will to buy orange juice next Tuesday. If they return to the past, does their knowledge of the future remove the buyers free will?
Epydemic2020 5 months ago
@Epydemic2020 That was a poorly constructed scenario. I should have and what I meant to say is that in the second scenario the robots were intelligent and able to make decisions.
I think it absolutely removes their free will. If we have free will, we must have the ability to choose to do otherwise. If the future is set in stone, any thing we do is 100% guaranteed to happen and no matter how much it may feel like we have made a choice, this would be an illusion.
ryan84160 5 months ago
@Epydemic2020 If a robot is pre programmed to choose box number 2, its future is set in stone. If god knows what box a human will choose before he/she does it, his/her future is also set in stone. It would literally be impossible for either one to have chosen a different box.
ryan84160 5 months ago
@ryan84160
A robot cannot choose a different box because of the programming.
A human can choose whatever box they want, but whatever box they choose God will have known about it.
These are quite different scenarios. You are acting as if God's knoweldge occurrs and then dictates what choice will be, where most Christians would argue that our choice dictates what God's knowledge would be.
Epydemic2020 5 months ago
@Epydemic2020 "A robot cannot choose a different box because of the programming. A human can choose whatever box they want, but whatever box they choose God will have known about it."
And where does that "want" come from? How do you know it's not fed to you, just like the computer program feeds the robot?
OccamKant 5 months ago
@OccamKant
This discussion with ryan84160 is not about "does free will exist?" it is about "does omniscience prove free will does not exist?". My comments here are only defending the notion that the latter question is answered "no".
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@Epydemic2020 "it is about "does omniscience prove free will does not exist?"."
This question always seems to result in the Christians saying that God knows everything but he's not controlling your actions, so you still have free will.
Whether or not he's controlling your actions is irrelevant. If all is preordained, like water running downhill, then you STILL don't have a choice, any more than water can choose to go uphill. You are running off a script, even though you're not aware of it.
OccamKant 5 months ago
@Epydemic2020 I am not saying that god dictates our choices, I am saying that if the future is carved in stone, then we have no free will.
If I select box number 2, even if I feel in my mind as if I wanted to select this box, I had no choice in the matter as it would be 100% impossible for not to select it. If it is 100% impossible to select any other option, how can we be freely choosing?
ryan84160 5 months ago
@ryan84160
" I am not saying that god dictates our choices, I am saying that if the future is carved in stone, then we have no free will."
If you are not saying "God dictates our choices" then you are also not saying "the future is cared in stone". It our choice dictates what God's knowledge will be rather than the other way around, then the future is not carved in stone.
Epydemic2020 5 months ago
@Epydemic2020 He can the future be known with 100% certainty and also not be set in stone ?
I am saying its not necessary for God to dictate our choices for the future to be set in stone. A universe in which the the future is set in stone and God does not even exist is possible.
ryan84160 5 months ago
@Epydemic2020 Sorry, I meant to say "How can the future be known".
ryan84160 5 months ago
If the future is not open, any "choice" we make is nothing but an illusion.
ryan84160 5 months ago
@Epydemic2020
If God is omniscient and omnibenevolent and hell is a form of punishment for not believing, why are there atheists?
RPFS2008 5 months ago
@CartesianTheist just curious...would you give DarkMatter the same respect as you're requesting?...and do you have an open comment section or are you one of those theists that always seems to suspiciously have a 'comment approval' with their videos?
drfitnessnow 5 months ago
Sorry for the double post
Am i the only one that thinks theologians make god sound like a pervy old bastard?
deathman1021 5 months ago
theres not much that i can say that hasnt already been said about the argument posed so i will say this, you should grow a beard, not just tiny little goatee either im talking like epic Dumbledore type beard
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Well... what can you expect? Religious people will always end up contradicting themselves because all arguments are either apologetic or as you rightly stated "fantastic" (or both).
cluengas2k 5 months ago
@CartesianTheist : Gotta love how theists assert how other people are feeling if those people happen to disagree with then. Then again, when your whole life is based on a lie, how's one more gonna hurt?
meaninter03 5 months ago
Well, I watched the whole thing. I need a shower ...
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empreme 5 months ago
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@CartesianTheist, and I'm sure your little militia of sycophants will be there to pat your back no matter what you come up with. And the impartial judges will be...? I expect more honesty from my subs. They're not religious, you see. They don't feel obligated to follow no matter what. If I say something they disagree with, they tell me.
DarkMatter2525 5 months ago
@CartesianTheist, and I'm sure your little militia of sycophants will be there to pat your back no matter what you come up with. And the impartial judges will be...? I expect more honesty from my subs. They're not religious, you see. They don't feel obligated to follow no matter what. If I say something they disagree with, they tell me.
DarkMatter2525 5 months ago
@CartesianTheist, LOL...already making excuses for my success? Wow. You have more confidence in me than I do! Chin up, son. You might do just fine.
DarkMatter2525 5 months ago
@CartesianTheist, If your video response is akin to this, then I'm going to utterly crush you. You're too obsessed with people rather than argument. Worry less about defending Craig; worry more about addressing the problem of God wanting to freely draw us through a narrow path to heaven being somehow morally sufficient for allowing the vast majority to suffer and perish for those select few, who no doubt include such illustrious individuals as yourself. Billions suffer for your spot in heaven.
DarkMatter2525 5 months ago
Seems clear that anything with enough power to cause otherwise decent people to deliberately lie to themselves and to their kids is 'Evil'. People will do practically anything to avoid facing the possibility that their parents has told them a bunch of lies. Honesty in people exists in spite of religion not because of it.
wunwuntew 5 months ago
Great argument.
TKnightcrawler 5 months ago
/watch?v=IhptKiANDeo Allahu Akbar. God's Greater, that a child could help a grown man understand the nature of evil.
faro0485 5 months ago
Agreed, to a point. The universe is both hostile, and kind and caring. Money isn't the only way to put food on the table, as I plan to find out as I wean myself from the grid. The first thing I plan to do is start growing my own food in the garage. I guess to me benevolence doesn't mean you get loot for free - it just means that there are forces that are with you. We have the opportunity to recognize and work with them.
transitionshotline 5 months ago
excellently argued and presented. if all the religions of the world were on trial, I want you on the prosecution! :-)
psycho3968 5 months ago
William Lane Craig is the King of the Strawman Argument. He's a dodgy, sneaky debater who will go so far as to force changes to debate formats if he thinks he's going up against a strong adversary.
But...I'm sure he makes a great living at it. If America hasn't figured it out yet, the reason God is so big in the USA is that God is big, tax-free business. Tax the churches. That should slow those lying scumbags down a little.
ChipArgyle 5 months ago
you look so much different than I thought you did.....
binaryblade2 5 months ago
there is not a philosophy which can enter to deep thought of creation..it is just wishes and guesses ..i am alive , my surroundings are nothing but a coincidence for me..the design itself does not satisfy me..so be it..
alinn71 5 months ago
Pure logic brought me to the conclusion that there IS god, and that our free will is limited. We can either choose to follow Gods way, or not. I should clarify that I make a distinction between biblical God and the transcendent creator/s of the universe, which I call God, because I am completely dependent on the benevolence of the universe for my survival. And maybe dependent on how my judgement works with that. Humans create evil. Nature isn't evil, we just see it that way sometimes.
lessermystery 5 months ago
@lessermystery
So you spend all day, every day without doing anything constructive and food and shelter just heap themselves upon you? Or would it be safe to say that you are a creature that can and does actively engage in behaviors that allow you to earn money and be benevolent to yourself? The vast majority of the universe would kill you quickly or faster. That this one small corner is significantly less lethal does not mean that the universe is kind or caring.
akaei0 5 months ago
@akaei0 Note the baby. The vast majority of the universe, let alone the outside world would kill it. Yet the most powerful creature on the planet was once that?
faro0485 5 months ago
Another problem is the story of Noah's Ark. Everybody had free will, decided to party and God said fuck it, I'm starting over with... umm this guy.
I'm going to magically flood the earth, you manually build a boat.
Craydon 5 months ago
@Craydon
I over watered a fern once. It died. I had another fern that didn't get enough sunlight. Also dead. But after 100+ days under presumably deep water, the herbivores of the arc got out and managed to find food. It's a miracle!
akaei0 5 months ago
Great video, mate; Instant sub.
One thing that was annoying me though was your misuse of interrobangs. (!? <- exclamation mark goes before the question mark)
Not being a douche, just pointing it out :)
Quimbyrbg 5 months ago
Well said. I also want to point out another problem with free will coming straight from the Bible. Exodus 10:20 "But the LORD hardened Pharaoh's heart, and he did not let the children of Israel go." It was really God who didn't let his own people go. 2Th 2:11 "And for this reason God will send them strong delusion, that they should believe the lie..." And there are many verses on predestination. The free will argument is a theological mess.
goodvibrato 5 months ago
God, the all-knowing, all powerful, and all-good being that created and runs the universe tortures people to "bring them freely into the Kingdom of god."
By that logic god doesn't just merely "allow" evil to exist, it created it as part of it's "plan." (okay)
Therefore, god created evil to torture the innocent to force people to follow its brutal orders. Therefore god is either a liar and an evil serial killer terrorist, or a scam invented to fleece the flock.
That clears it up nicely. LMAO!
dan91709 5 months ago
@Rationalific Ohh shit, jst read the last part of your comment
"No, wait. That's a lie. None of that happened."
Seems im a dickhead, dis-regard, dis-regard
shandcunt 5 months ago
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@Rationalific It seems you are in the USA?
shandcunt 5 months ago
Let's put a bunch of devout christians on a volcanic island on a fault line. They can all pray day and night that the volcanoe won't erupt and an earthquake won't sink them into the sea and then when it does happen they'll finally understand....oh no wait they'll just think it's a sign from god that they haven't pryed hard enough d'oh.
SuperGil420 5 months ago
This is one of your better videos, and that's saying something.Can't wait to see more.
colossus999 5 months ago
This is great stuff. Nicely done. And thanks for the time and effort you put into this.
misterdeity 5 months ago
Hey DA/Dm who the "F" ARE you? This is very respectable philosophy you're doing here. You cite the serious contenders, and not (say) the strawman peanut butter/banana "arguments."
Finally.
And the DM cartoons are extremely well done. Why aren't you on the talk circuit? Get your ass out there! Christopher Hitchens is about to die, so.....
srrecords 5 months ago
when i present my argument about free will in heaven theists just say 'i dont know' and carry on believing their imaginary friends
u cant change them... they are brain washed
soth3d 5 months ago
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The AUDIO sucks! Don't do any more vids where the audio is poor.
If you're going to do this, do it right.
Get a decent mic and to a test and check the playback.
I can't recommend Darkantics to others if you're going to do videos with poor audio.
Do it right. You're a big boy now. No more 'bad audio' video. Only use the camera mic outdoors.
The room reverb messes your message up.
If you don't care enough to do it right, I don't care to stay subscribed.
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lancethrustworthy 5 months ago
If god exists, how could we humans who he created be able to understand his form of logic? Every action humans take is based on the basic instinct of survival and because of this our logic is based on our own survival. So how can we, beings created by a higher power, know the reason behind his words? In the end our world is full of sinners in all ancient religions and we must beg for forgiveness or accept that when we die, there is nothing left. A thought so depressing it could promote suicide.
knine53 5 months ago
@knine53
"If god exists, how could we humans who he created be able to understand his form of logic?"
I've heard this question before... but in every Abrahamic scripture God *does not* act like some higher, inscrutable, intellect. He acts exactly like a spoiled baby. Singularly unimpressive and all too human.
"In the end our world is full of sinners in all ancient religions and we must beg for forgiveness or accept that when we die, there is nothing left."
Pascal, is that you?
bowlsallbroken 5 months ago
@bowlsallbroken Funny, I've seen full grown adults act like spoiled children as well. Even the ones who claim god does not exist. Heck ive seen full grown adults base their logic on childish backings which make sense at all. The majority of the time that people don't believe in god is because they think that he would act as they would. They think that he should give some sign of his existence because otherwise there is no point in believing what they cannot prove. Which contradicts themselves.
knine53 5 months ago
@knine53
"The majority of the time that people don't believe in god is because they think that he would act as they would. "
For me, God, in Abrahamic scripture acts in ways I wouldn't dream of. I wouldn't perform or endorse genocide, murder, rape, slavery, etc. These scriptures also make it clear that the basic rational for such behavior is that this perfect/benevolent being *really* wants people to kiss his ass eternally. Nothing more noble.
"sign of his existence"
I'd spit in his face.
bowlsallbroken 5 months ago
@knine53
"They think that he should give some sign of his existence because otherwise there is no point in believing what they cannot prove. Which contradicts themselves."
There's a family of leprechauns living in my backyard. They are invisible except to people who already truly believe they exist. It takes total faith.
Two questions:
1) Do you believe me?
2) If I showed you some old books saying leprechauns are real, and people who believe said books, would that change your mind?
bowlsallbroken 5 months ago
@bowlsallbroken You realize taking only small quotes of my words out of context and attacking them individually accomplishes a failed attempt at winning an argument right? Also, the belief in small mythical creatures and the belief that the world and humanity was created by a higher power don't really make sense to compare since the belief in god is built into multiple aspects of our society. Btw YouTube makes it hard for me to get my point through because of character limits.
knine53 5 months ago
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@knine53
LOL my "small quote" was like a third of your post. Between my *two* posts I quoted damn near half of your comment. Show me where I misrepresented you or stop whining.
"don't really make sense to compare since the belief in god is built into multiple aspects of our society."
So.... age and popularity of a belief are more important to assessing its truth than evidence?
No wonder you're afraid to give my questions a straight answer.
"character limits"
I deal just fine.
bowlsallbroken 5 months ago
I love how all the christian arguments pre-assume that god does exist to prove god exists.
natmil1 5 months ago
@CartesianTheist
man what a good response to gwyain. "nuh-uh he didnt refute the free will defense because nobody agrees with him and he isnt peer reviewed" oh so argument from authority? he has to have people agree with him and peer review is argument in order for it to be valid? no just stop it. thats absurd. lets see you demonstrate how he didnt refute the free will defense. and also, im pretty sure i can demonstrate free will is impossible if god exists with an argument from omniscience.
JustTrollinAlong 5 months ago
The Devil and his angels WAR . We rebeled God then gave us free will and the Earthly realm . OOOH The demon on your back
inabluemoon1 5 months ago
Your audience is idiots: You do a philosophical analysis of God, and all they do is talking about your biceps :D.
Anyway, good job.
Tumoxa89 5 months ago
@CartesianTheist For one, Craig was not summarizing, he was misrepresenting it. Then you attack DarkAntics as opposed to his argument. What Dark was doing was showing how Craig is a liar. He then refutes the Freewill defense, in a logical manner. Not only have you strawmanned him, you then attacked his credibility, and following this you essentially Red Herring it by changing the subject to his other videos - at which point you attack him again from a different point.
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I'm liking the real videos, great job!
Feralg33k 6 months ago
Calm down on the arm exercises foo!!
skillzgone2waste 6 months ago
I find it fuuny that right before your video played the commreical was that about Mormons.
TheLife2306 6 months ago
How was I not subbed to your channel? I love this style of video, it suits you so well. You rawk. :) Hope you're doing well sweetie! Hugs n luff. XOXO
bunnygotfree 6 months ago
You're hot (and smart <3).
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finally the legendary DarkAntics him self are here ....
wish i can upload some video by my self without getting threats of death as always ....
wafiakul 6 months ago
@CartesianTheist Bullshit. You are straw-manning DarkAntic's rebuttal of Craig's own straw-man.
Yeah, using a fallacy to rebut a rebuttal of a fallacy is a great idea.
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Gwyain100 6 months ago
One of the most erudite, logical and reasonable videos I have had the pleasure to watch.
gasgas270 6 months ago
You had me @ "William Lane Craig, a very deceitful christian apologist,", but yes, WLC is known to be VERY deceitful liar.
gilgameshismist 6 months ago
If god exists: There's a greater than 99.999% chance you worship the wrong one. We don't even know that anyone has the correct interpretation.
If god doesn't exist: You've wasted a considerable portion of your life in worship. Get on with your life.
TheAstroSteve 6 months ago 2
I would like someone to explain how Christians can claim that god is all-powerful and loving if god has the power to cause miracles and yet allows people, even innocent children, to be abused and killed? Also, isn’t causing miracles interfering with free will?
lc237 6 months ago
Excellent - Really Good
Artifactorfiction 6 months ago
HAHAHAHA Look at the promoted video.
Singleattackfucker 6 months ago
DEEEEE dis nigga is buff
No, but in all seriousness, what do you do to work out?
NovemberBegin 6 months ago
You're Bald! :D
HisFavoriteMartian 6 months ago
What happened to Yaweh's "non-interference due to free will"-policy in the Old Testament? Oops!
kjarrval 6 months ago
Dr. Craig is a smart guy. However, he needs a better God to defend
aether9000 6 months ago
Dr. Craig is a smart guy. However, he needs a better God to defend
aether9000 6 months ago
In other words, "god's" whole plan is pretty much an experiment to make him feel
better about himself or inflate his ego even more. Na, I don't think so. There is no god. It is all HUMAN ideas and traits; don't you think god would be a little less primitive and stupid than he is throughout any of these "holy" books? He is exactly like any ancient, male human of the time period; how mysterious! And this isn't just in regards to christians, as religions such as islam are even worse.
BER2ERKER 6 months ago
Great video. I like your philosophical/serious side
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Scissorify 6 months ago
Excellent video!
kirill220991 6 months ago
Sexy face you got there.
theclinger 6 months ago
@vain911 "Vin Diesel's stunt double" would be an adequate description to those unfamiliar.
TriCorce 6 months ago
Man, you are badass. I would never have expected, well, you, behind the voice in your animations. Hope you don't take that offensively, I'm sure you can quite easily kick my ass.
skylineaddict 6 months ago 15
"Believers are brainwashed to see God in everything". (opinion - reason = God)
"A religious person without God is nothing". (†☪✡ - God = 0)
means "The opinion about God that you get from a religious person is unreasonable, therefore worth nothing". (†☪✡ - [opinion - reason] =0)
In other words, people who admit they are too stupid to understand the whole concept of God, shouldn't try to explain anything about God.
Or in short, religion is full of sh!t!
You're welcome.
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realbojay 6 months ago
WLC is a douche bag.
Vogter616 6 months ago
Craig sets up a straw man argument, how surprising...
23Tev 6 months ago
Dark Antic will fuck you up physically and mind fuck you!
Conner20D 6 months ago 2
I always thought you were going to look like a skinny guy,you look like a navy seal.
vain911 6 months ago
"Tangled Web" indeed. I actually had to break out a notebook and pen and take notes to understand all of it.
recniterockerchick 6 months ago