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  • Lose some weight F-35 ! 

  • @aman2426 i was just thinking it looks very light?

  • @dalton2621 Lose wight to get streamlined.It's really...broad.

  • @aman2426 cool! can you fly

  • gosh this aircraft is so fat, like a sitting duck for target practice.

  • i love the bounce @ 5:29

  • Great video, you put these clips together well and the music wasn't all loud and obnoxious like other fighter jet vids.

  • Looks to Me that the F-35C is a Raptor with some Eurotyphoon Tech Reverse Engineered! Says even name Changed from X-35 to F-35 makes it  kinda obvious just doesn't come included with Bebe Lily! DOD is kinda of releasing History lessons don't want to See Stalker Alpha Happy New Year 2012, Statue in the Clip is pointing & Indicating more NW than Western Europa!

  • Were his gears stuck until 0:45?

  • ffin great 125 mil for a flying useless shit, no wander US is going broke

  • I don't see the transition between the vertical takeoff and horizontal flight, in the 60's this transition kill several US pilots.

  • it is fun how everybody says it is super hyper modern. because within 30-40years it will be replaced and called old and slow

  • This plane is the jack of all trades master of none. The US has put some heavy investment and performance compromises for stealth. The problem is when that stealth technology gets compromised you have an average plane.

  • True, even though this may be the worlds most expensive jet, it is way ahead of the aviation technology today. I would rather stick with the F15SE's, F16's, F18's and the F22's.

  • @MegaGunRush

    Replace the F22, which is suffering recurrent stress fractures and critical failures and is burdened by ridiculous maintenance requirements, with the eurofighter or rafale, and I'd agree with you.

  • With the f-15,f-16 and f/a-18 coming to the end of thier service. Most of thier airframes were built in the mid 70's. The f-22 and f/a-35 will carry us to 2040. Hopefully the f-22's stress cracking tail sections will be remedied shortly. With the advancements in UCAV technology. They may become the new air superiority fighter. Able to make manuvers that would rip a human pilot apart. Only the future will see which way the military goes.

  • Lockheed Martin F-22 Raptor + British Aerospace Harrier II = This.

  • @VonFalconerIII

    The raptor>f35

  • @TheWhiteboy3431 What do you mean? The Raptor is greater than the F35?

  • @VonFalconerIII

    f22 was designed primarily as an air superiority fighter. F-35 multirole fighter with better ground attacks capabilities.

  • I saw some of the guts of this Super Jet, and it is UN-FRICKIN BELIEVABLE. I'm Blown Away. That's all I can say.

  • HEY I ALWAYS FLY THIS PLANE IN GMOD. ALMOST SO REAL.

  • where the canope closes.. looks like the pilot would have a litte blind spot getting the way where he can see..

  • F 35 is official COPY of Soviet YAK 141, officiall not stolen.

  • @mikeplay007 and YAK-141 is a copy of Harrier Jump jet...... if people didn't copy each other no one would be able to advance.

  • @TheHm3 Harrier it's self is a COPY of Soviet YAK 38, first fly of YAK 38, in 1971, Harrier fitsh fly in 1978.

  • @mikeplay007 Iz you retarded? Harrier's introduction was in 1969.....

  • @TheHm3 I think he is the harrier that flew in 1978 was the sea harrier. The GR.1 was introduced in 1969 and its first flight was even before it was introduced.

  • @mikeplay007 and the su-27 and su-35 (well almost all there planes)is a copy of the f-18 and the tu-160 is a copy of the b-1 and the pak is a copy of the f-22 and the mig 1.44 is a copy of the calf project and the su 47 is a copy of the x-29 and the russian stealth uav is a copy of the x-47b (x-45) and russia actually copied thrust vectoring because usa put it on missiles and russia tried to copy u-2 and sr 71 but they failed on both

  • @USAmilitarypower SU 27 first fly in 20/5/1977 F18 first fly 18/11/1978 (wow Russians have time mashin and copying tningks from the future).

    B1 Lancer speed 1200 h/km, TU 160 speed 1220h/km. (completly different klass) Su47 and X29 comparable only for the IDIOTS.

    Only simularity oof PAK FA with F22 is that they bouth have 2 wings, and 2 engens, and also coplarable for the IDIOTS.

    Stealth is Russian inovation.

    And you are copy of a tipicall American IDIOT.

  • @mikeplay007 ya they are all copys oh and the f-18's first flight was 1974 go look it up

  • @mikeplay007 oh and if you look at wiki for tthe f-18 that is the f-18C not the first one

  • @USAmilitarypower Don't talk more, you knowlige in aviation suckes, first plane on the planet with wouble stabilaizers was MIG 25, fastes fightere plane on earth, than Americans stole these technology and made F15 and later F18 with double rear stabilaizers. And STEALTH is Russian inovation 1960s, but Soviet defence ministry didn't APROWED, becouse such planesit was anyway detecteble for new (that time) radar sistem, these radars of 1960s detected and shoth down 3 F117 in Serbia.

  • @mikeplay007 no very wrong type in d-21 first stealth plane on crashed in Russia and they got tech from it go do some research and the mig 25 was to intercept the sr-71 and i listed more

  • @USAmilitarypower And the development of the F-14, F-15, F-18 was based on the solution of the MiG-25. So no need to lie. Between the SU-27 and F-15, F-18 is not so much in common

  • @750Vlad the mig-25 was a intersepter not a fighter that plane looks nothing like the f-15 and f-18 and the f-14 was made about two months apart and the f-14 has no resemblance to the mig-25 and it is wide as fuck and the su-27 is a copy of the f-18 the f-15 oh and the f-16 and f-18 were made before the su-27 so you just told me they copied

  • @USAmilitarypower You may be right, but the SU-27 was very good fighter

  • @750Vlad ya that is true but its not the top shit any more

  • @USAmilitarypower Soon, the F-22 and PAK-FA will not be top fighters. Though I think 20 years would be

  • @750Vlad the us 6th generation plane will be test flying within 2020-2025.the pentagon says

  • @USAmilitarypower Much doubt, I think in 20-30 years, the F-22 and PAK-FA will be the leaders. F-35 also is inferior and the F-22 and PAK-FA

  • @750Vlad ya and the j-20 is a none stealth flying hallow shit

  • @USAmilitarypower Exactly, I agree completely. I would even say that the J-20 on the role of the fighter does not fit, but rather a strike aircraft, stealth technology, but it implements very poorly. China is developing 5th generation fighter, very similar to the F-35

  • @750Vlad to me it looks and sounds like a bomber and some of the angles on it make it not even stealth the Pentagon also calls it a 4.5 generation

  • @USAmilitarypower The concept of 4 + exists in the Russian Defense Ministry. It is interesting that the Chinese J-20 engines are installed, which are used on the Russian SU-30. At this parameter J-20 is clearly not suited to the role of 5th generation fighter

  • @750Vlad The F-35 isn't inferior to the F-22, They are different planes entirely. the JSF is a strike fighter, the F22 is air superiority.

  • @Helge129 These conversations remind me of comparing apples and bicycles, because they are in different planes. F-35 is far behind as the F-22 and the Russian PAK FA

  • @750Vlad No, because they are not the same kind of plane. You are comparing apples and oranges, in fact.

    The F-35 is a Strikefighter, it's intended to kill stuff on the ground with moderate AA capability. The F22 is a air superiority fighter. It's supposed to shoot stuff out of the air, and in doing that, the F22 will always be superior to the F-35, but not in air-to-ground missions.

  • @USAmilitarypower I think they are testing them right now.

  • @750Vlad ya i know

  • would have been better if vertical take off

  • how can it be a sky warrior if it has never been used in combat 

  • @7249xxl because it's more capable than everything else that has

  • @CLAPPY2120 but it has never been used FOR EVERY THING

  • whether you think this is a complete waste of money, or it's a sound investment for a country to make, you've got to agree...

    this is a pretty damn impressive airplane. even with all the teething problems they're having.

  • @taterfamine

    "this is a pretty damn impressive airplane. even with all the teething problems they're having."

    Rand seems to disagree. Apparently the F-35 "can't turn, can't climb and can't run". Oh dear

  • @Crownw3 That report was fake it was the russians paying the aussies to take the jet down the f-35 was maneuvering better than the f-16 also if all jets are going to have a stealth coating then they can't fly in the rain.

  • Forget that stupid myth LIGHTNING CAN STRIKE TWICE!

  • Seen a JSF with an F-16 escort been flying over my house every other day for the past 2 weeks. Pretty sweet.

  • The UK has Cancelled the F35B the VTOL version and gone for the F35C the Carrier version instead for the Queen Elizabeth Class Carriers as the Queen Elizabeth class Carriers are to be Catobar carriers

  • it sounds like a freaking car ROFL

  • its scary something so deadly can be so beautiful and gracious in the air

  • @MYGMISAGIRL It's an awesome aircraft and I'd love it if the USAF didn't try to replace every bloody aircraft in the US with it and drones...

  • @MYGMISAGIRL ...yeah...nothing is as beautiful as 170 decibels

  • I heard an interview a few months ago from some British Harrier pilots who were salivating at the chance to fly one of these bad boys. They were very impressed with the demonstration they witnessed. Conversely, they also interviewed American F-15 and F-16 pilots who were, like their British friends, salivating! I can't wait to see what this plane can do in excercises. Hope it never goes to war... but if it does, she WILL perform.

  • Not to mention we use misinformation and disinformation to make other nations (*ahem* china, russia) think it's not as good as it truly is so they don't try to copy it. In our publicly released statistics, we majorly downplayed and underrated maxspeed, range, combat radius, and it's surface ceiling.

  • @chadnessify 1-US overrate their weapons 1000 times more than it underrates it. 2- Publicly released specifications are almost always accurate but incomplete. You just dont release any critical specifications like excess power graphs turn rates airframe limitations etc. 3- "Copy" claims from both US and Russian fanboys are just ridiculous. You cant just look at few photos/specifications of F-35 and start replicating.

  • Notice how this is called the JSF? Joint Strike Fighter--the modularity of this aircraft is absurd, we can use it to fill any role, air-to-air stealth mission, air-to-ground attacks, electronic warfare, surveillance--this fighter flying in concert with all of our other advanced combat and support aircraft make us the UNDISPUTED kings of the air. There is NO nation that can come even close to matching the United States Air Force. Argue all you want, you know it's true.

  • what are the lines on the canopy?

  • May God help pilots will fly with this

    useless gear

  • @Blue2Volf You really are a moron. What do you base this on?One article about a worthless computer simulation? You obviously know absolutely nothing about aerial combat operations or use of air power. This aircraft literally is the most advanced plane ever built. The electronic warfare capabilities of this plane alone are nearly enough to defeat an entire enemy nations defenses, lol. Idiot.

  • @chadnessify NO one article typed by designer of f16 and A10 greatest plane designer on planet and he is right.

    This is a rocket type plane just like Thunderchief f105 last time a similar shaped plane went to a warzone entire fleet got destroyed.Missles are not smart as you think heat seekers maybe but radar guided missles still easy to trick.A plane should be nimble and needs long wings to make better turns.It doesnt even have trust vectoring.Its armor is too weak even against small arms fire.

  • @chadnessify It maybe a technological beast but its aerodynamics totally wrong sorry but this isnt a science fiction movie fire a missle 10 seconds later target dissappears no target is smart ,target has counter measures and faster than missle planes.The theory is F35 will destroy enemy before getting in gun range but its not possible with 2 radar guided missles and in gun range its just a sitting duck.Best plane ever designed in USAF is YF-23 and you guys hate it so much not even tested it

  • @Blue2Volf Listen guys, The F35 is a multirole joint strike fighter. It is not meant to be the best in air superiority, dogfights, speed, agility, etc. It takes all the things we require from a combat aircraft and combines it into one. It's not meant to just go out and get into dogfights, it works --jointly-- with other aircraft in theatre. Coordinated attacks. It basically takes the best things about all our other aircraft and combines them into one. No, it's not THE fastest, but it's FAST.

  • @chadnessify It's not the most agile, but its still SUPER agile, it's not as good as AWACS for recon/radar, but it's still EXCELLENT for those. It's the 'Jack of all trades, master of none" plane. Do you understand now? It is the most technologically advanced and best overall fighter jet ever made. Not to mention the electronic warfare capabilities..if a plane flies too close and the pilot flips a few pitches--oops! enemy plane shuts off and drops out of the sky.

  • Honestly, I don't even like it that much. I love the F22/YF-23. My favorite is definately the A10 though..that's just lovely. But back to the point, This plane is the BEST fighter jet ever invented thus far--in reference to its role in the sky.

  • @chadnessify thats the problem it didnt work in past it wont work in future.Do you know how many varients Russians have on single plane to fill roles Allied nations doesnt need another Thunderchief debacle worse F35 have a major flaw the fuel.It can hover while fully loaded with fuel and like thats not enough fuel stored all around of the plane with a thin layer of stealth armor one shot on hull will make it a flaming spark on sky.Thats why people agaisnt it so fragile and complicated.

  • @chadnessify Really? In what role does it perform, say, as good as F-15E? CAP or GAI? Usually ends in dogfight = F-35 cant climb, turn or accelerate. Intercept? shitty DSI intake and thrust = slow! SEAD? No anti-radiation missile. Ground Attack? 2 bombs when LO = whats the point of LO? Fighter sweep? No endurance when LO, even worse performance. CAS? No slow speed handling, too fragile. Only missions F-35 would outperform an F-15E is Escort and Pinpoint Strike. Worth all that money? No way..

  • cooooooooool

  • i gess that the f-35 could use improvements but it is awsome and fun to watch

  • F35 shape is very funny, look likes shorty man

  • doesn't look very manouvrable to me

  • Not all do this I think. Are there a few different types of this plane? The one's that do the vertical take off are for the Marines? The Air force gets a different variant? one's supposed to be a fighter, one's supposed to be an attack plane, and one's supposed to be a fighter/bomber, or something like that?

  • america f 35 with stealth and russia also got new stealth technology aircraft pak fa t50 , these both aircraft will have tough competition

  • A very very very expensive toy.

  • I wish finland could afford F35 jet fighters. Stealthy STOL-capable aeroplane, would be awesome in country, that has no runways left after the first 15 seconds of the war, instead of aged hornets.

  • I wait that one day can carry the "MBDA Meteor."

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  • Qatar has ordered 36 F-35 Lightning II planes.

    so they have now 90 fighters on that very small country ^_^

  • They should never have tried to fit so many different roles into one aeroplane. The B is over complicated, has to dump fuel and munitions before it can land and loses too much performance against the A and C models.

  • the cool thing is it doesnt have to point into the wind on a vtrtical take off..

    there are small ports that stream air across the controle surfaces giving

    the man full controle in what ever situation.

  • US AIR POWER BABY!!!

  • @cherylz1 WITH OUR MONEY BABY!!!

  • I really don't know, way you talk about this Airplane, Australian NAVY said all what you wish to know about this crap...end because USA don't love to share they best AC Australian make "blackmails" and said to USA they will buy Su35 instead F35, if USA still want to export F22 to Australian.

  • isn't the F22 raptor?

    

  • @TheCauseOfWetPantiez ; Yeah.... I guess you could put it that way. Plus, that hurt my head a little... >.<*

  • I got a good idea for another film type... Ground Vehicles?

  • The B-2 was shown to the public in the United States for the first time in late 1989.

  • Where is some r'h'shit? or some hip there/hop here?

  • ...such a stupid acquisition by Australia to buy this thing...for a country this vast to buy a plane with a limited range and having to rely on air to air refueling..the weapons systems would want to be shit hot to make up for it...

  • What a fantastic video, thanks for uploading.

    I'm a bit of a nostalgic - love the era of the F14 and when the F15, F16 and F18 started coming into service.

    But I've just completely fallen in love with this plane, it's beautiful!!

  • If anyone has Netflix there is a documentary on the Competition Between Lockheed Martin and Boeing to build this... Obviously Lockheed Martin won but it shows how they work and the Navy Model X-35 that hovers has that front fan driven off the Engine...Awesome show.

  • they should do a documentry on the f-35 weopens andavertthing else

  • i like this aircraft....wooo fantastik

  • Verical Takeoff- the Thrust : weight ratio is 1:1 or higher, i.e. the Thrust from the Engine is equal to or greater than the Weight of the Aircraft. The Harrier or AV8 works in the same way

  • @N1cholas240 i think we ould save ourselves some money by updating the F-18 fleet but ultimately the russkies will produe a better heaper version

  • this must be a very cool airplane - fighter capabilites, short take off vertical landing, stealth just to say some of its features

  • this plane is so slow i don't know what are they thinking. it flies mach 1.6 when all the russian fighters fly atleast mach 2.5

  • @alex080297 Hardly a problem, all the combat is done at transsonic speeds. The time a pilot spends above mach 1 is counted in hours above mach 2 minutes... And Russian fighter hardly pose a threat to this thing.

  • @repsollenny missiles do

  • @repsollenny ye it seems u know a lot about russian technology.The fact that russians dont advertaise there planes in movies tv games and etc it dont mean that they dont have advanced weapons idiot and i am not russian

  • @tabakos7 I didn't even mention any games or anything. Just saying, if you can see you enemy and fire an AMRAAM before he even has a clue you're there then he doesn't pose a threat.

  • @repsollenny If your enemy is living in caves and still using MiG-23s yeah thats possible.

  • @AndraxxusNephilem You're absolutely clueless, AMRAAM's are air to air missiles so the cave thingy is nonsense. And no they don't still have to using MiG-23's any aircraft will suffice.

  • @repsollenny It was humor you idiot. I know what AIM-120 is and I also know far more facts than you. Like: it can pull 22G s and you can't any shit that can turn better than MiG-23. Why? Even if it slows down to Mach 2 to engage its target, with that G limit, it can have a turn rate of 18 deg/s. Basically any aircraft that can indefinately sustain higher turn rate can evade an AIM-120 *indefinately*. That is, F-15/16, MiG-29, Su-27, Mirage-2k I know for a fact and possibly many other fighters.

  • @AndraxxusNephilem If you actually think ANY aircraft can evade ANY air 2 air missile you're an absolute idiot.

  • @repsollenny With your lack of knowledge, bias and idiocy I have nothing to talk to you. Go learn a thing or two than come back. In Persian gulf: "In yet another incident, two MiG-25s approached a pair of F-15s, fired missiles (which were evaded by the F-15s), and then outran the American fighters. Two more F-15s joined the pursuit, and a total of 10 air-to-air missiles were fired at the MiG-25s, although none reached them" You should have a tatoo saying "Keep fucking me"...

  • @repsollenny And lets get to other facts 1- F-22 cannot fire on, let say, a Su-27 undetected. Even a LPI AESA has to switch to STT mode to get target data and be visible to radar for at least 5-6 seconds. That gives enough time for Su-27 to disengage. F-22 can follow and force Su-27 into NOZ, but thats dangerous as Su-27 EOS can detect F-22 at that range, and F-22s first warning would be an approaching R-27TE. Same goes for F-35 only worse, as it cant follow Su-27 and possibly cant evade a R-27.

  • @repsollenny 2- As for any other aircraft.. Only one fact: Indian Su-30M with its so-called "obsolete" N001V radar was able to fire its "obsolete useless etc" R-27AE missile before the approaching F-15C did. Now you can go on claiming AMRAAM to be "I win" button.

  • @repsollenny Top speed is not important, but the reason is: Intake design. A Su-27 has variable intake ramps and this means four things. 1- A Su-27 will have significantly higher T/W, acceleration and climb rate throughout the flight envelope. 2- If a Su-27 finds itself in disadvantage it can run, and F-35 could not follow. If circumstances are reversed F-35 cannot run and fall victim to Su-27. 3- Su-27 can position itself for attack far quickly. 4- Su-27 is far more economic when supersonic.

  • @repsollenny Yes u are completly right, but i don't thing that russian aircrafts are that bad... F35 an F22 are laest generation aircrafts but this doen't mean they are invincible. For example in an exercises between USAF-HAF and other airforces [i think it was red flag, not sure] a greek f-16 managed to lock an f-22 raptor. Nevertheless these aircrafts are extremely effectice, deadly and beautiful above all.

  • my dream is to have an F-35 with my name on it when i get out of high school and join the air force :D i can't wait

  • how does the stealth work on this plane??cause i know it is stealth

  • @keithktam Stealth is mostly achived my shape and then materials.

  • very nice videos tov toda

  • I like this plane, it's like a mini f-22

  • can anyone out there explain verticle take off to me, do these planes carry the propelant with them to achieve verticle take off?

  • @carlosmarkos it's all about thrust

  • @Historystartsnow

    Most specifically the ratio between the weight & pull of gravity and the thrust propelled downward. Unfortunately it usually limits the payload, and its typical for F-35B to dump fuel and weapons to lessen the weight for vertical takeoff. Which is why harriers and STOL are often performed instead of VTOL.

  • @Historystartsnow

    no instead of directing the thrust horizontally, u direct it vertically by turning the nozzles towards the ground. you dont need extra propellant just regular jet fuel although this one has a separate fan for the purpose of vertical take off

  • @carlosmarkos basicaly with airplains they make the thrust go down as apose to back. They do it by swivling the exoust down wards. it is perfectly shown at 3:11 - 3:13 (sry about my eng)

  • @bamsawa your english is exused, and you will not be bashed for errors :)

  • @planefreak3 i aprisiate the exquse... lol XD

  • @carlosmarkos The thrust to weight ratio is 1:1 or more, ie the Thrust of the engine is greter than the weight of the aircraft. The Harrier works in the same way

  • @hellcatdave1 The Russians stole thrust vectoring from the British anyway, so be quiet you hypocrite.

  • @PepsiRemix5 I'm sorry, besides the fact the Harriers fcking thrust system is not INTERIORIZED OR USES A FAN. Dumbass.

  • @carlosmarkos it uses engine exaust downward basically...if you do it for more than about 10 seconds though you risk burning the engine itself.

  • @carlosmarkos they carry the fuel onboard, and use the air around them as oxidizer, and "propellant" for the most part.

  • @carlosmarkos The main engine bends downwards and the thrust pushes it up, but with all the thrust going to the back it would normaly flip over, so they have a small weaker engine on the fron that opens when useing the VTOL.

  • @carlosmarkos antigravity

  • @carlosmarkos Vertical take off does not require any additional propellant. The plane uses its own engine. It just points the exhaust nozzle downward, using the jet blast to propel itself upward. In the case of the F-35, the engine thrust is complemented by a lift fan in the front of the plane. This provides extra thrust and balances the trust of the engine at the back.

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  • @carlosmarkos you see at 3:07 sec how the mid section open up? that the main component jet engine, it take air from above and push it down, combine w/ the back burner to produce a enormous amount of trust to push the jet up.

  • @carlosmarkos ok vertical takeoff is the abitlity to take off or land like a helicopter would just straght up into the air without a runway on the F-35 the main nozzle at the back can vector down directing the thrust downwards at the same time there is a smaller secondary engine driving by the main engine that helps to push the aircraft up this is how vtol (vertical take-off and landing )iss acheved

  • @carlosmarkos On the vertical takeoff version, there's a fan in the middle behind the cockpit and between the wings that's hidden by doors. That' fan is turned by the engine just like the rotors are turned on a heli by its engine. The fan pushes air down at high velocity which lifts the plane but it gets help from the engine's rear thrust nozzle which is rotated to point down for vertical flight. The down pointed rear nozzle and mid mounted fan lift it and little jets nozzles in wings balance.

  • @carlosmarkos Not all of the F35 can do the VTOL, three models are being built, a VTOL, a STOL (short take of and landing and the conventional one!

  • @TheWobbly6 Specifically, the conventional version (CTOL) F-35A, the VTOL F-35B, and the CATOBAR (carrier version) F-35C.

  • i remember reading about this in a book when it was just a prototype

  • Will they sell one to Pakistan ?

  • @floatinsun No.

  • Wow, such a beautiful plane! God bless America, we'll retire this thing before anybody else can figure out how to build one!

  • Why the short wingspan? is it to save space on carriers?

  • @tubeparker23 Like the harrier before it, it doesn't need a large wing span to do it's hovering characteristics, but yes, that was a correct assumption on your part, as that is, indeed, a great benefit to the Naval version when it comes to deck (above and below) space.

  • silply the best

  • These aircraft are great, but think about it the "new" F-22 and such are decades old already! No doubt there are robotic jets that can pull G's only limited by the airframe, no doubt they have one that can turn around on a human piloted F-22. Unfortunately, the days of the fighter pilot are numbered.

  • sure they are numbered but i think that if it's RC the Ping would be way too high, they would have to make a AI jet and AI is still so un reliable

  • @l0udcheese you must have access to top

    secret operations to know the AI technology

    they are working on. Seriously, the AI tech

    we see they were probably working on 10

    years ago. I mean, the elite aircraft the

    B-2 was made when again.

  • @TheTruthHurtsYup Nothing beats the instinct of a human

  • what is the topspeed??

  • mach 1.45 ish

  • to bad its gonna be more than the f-22 to buy once its complete

  • Who is going around and thumbing everyone down. People really need to get a life. I'll spot your comments with some thumbs up.