Credit to you for ridiculing comments taken out of context and secondly for having an obvious hatred of Bible believers and openly expressing it. I'm sure you are thoroughly knowledgeable of all 66 books, but something just didn't "take". So once again friends, as it was in the beginning, so it will be in the end, The Scriptures have both The First and The Last True Word..."the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him". Corinthians 2:14
The evidence for anthropogenesis is out there for all to see. I suggest Chuck Missler quit messing around with peanut butter and look up "List of human evolution fossils" on Wikipedia. I'm afraid his peanut butter jar can't hold a flame to real evidence.
Note: I particularly like the "Amud 1" specimen of H. neanderthalensis and "LB1" of H. floresiensis (Hobbit).
I need to stop reading these fucking youtube comments section arguments between christians and athiest. It is slowly but surely killing me on the inside.
@Fernt correction: Most Christians accept the evolutionary process and the wonders of scientific discovery. You really mean scientifically illiterate ignorant YEC/ID Fundie idiots who are an embarrassment to most Christians. Their foolishness is hard to stomach.
I would like to point out to Mr. Missler that if he opens a few million trillion bottles of peanut butter that have been left on the shelf for a few billion years and exposed to the kind of energy present during the earth's formation, he might just open one to find something crawling out.
Whoever is complaining below, most people you will find argument with are mostly agnostic and don't presume to know anything but what facts present. When you hear hoof steps, think horses, not zebras.
Life didn't begin on earth inside a peanut butter jar. It probably began in the sea near volcanic vents. Nobody's saying life started when lightning struck a peanut butter jar.
Wow, ignorance, Chuck Missler is the prodigy of teller the father of the hydrogen bomb. Anyone that has any sense would find the real video to this. Your just spreading more of your propaganda bs! Wake people.
>Wow, ignorance, Chuck Missler is the prodigy of teller the father of the hydrogen bomb.
Wow. Irony. You have the audacity to call someone ignorant but you're too illiterate to know the difference between prodigy and progenitor. Not to mention you believe in a magic sky daddy that grants you wishes if you kiss his ass. Talk about ignorance! You're a great example.
This is a mostly a study of creation and sceince that acompanies it, there is some peer review studdies mention in this also. The bible talk about how the stars
The speed of light has slown down since the start of time, we all know time is relative to the speed of light.
Cosmic radiation effects carbon dating, solar flares and other insterstellar radation would make thing look alot older than they are. Would there not be alot more solar radation along time ago with everything closer together
Its also from the end of a video Iron man, it is a comparison taken out of context. There is a really good presentation of Genesis from his website. Also as far as nukes go there is stuff you can do to make the half life be 1000 years
Congratulations, you win the IRONMANAustralia Channel 'Fuckwit of the Week Award' for making two vague denunciations in one comment.
Why don't you tell me HOW it's out of context exactly.
And while you're at it, I hope you can avoid doing any "stuff" that might make the half-life of nukes "be" 1000 years, and explain why that's a big deal.
Here's a clue, (since you obviously need to get one): Bismuth has a half-life of 19,000,000,000,000,000,000 yrs. Oh no! Run for the hills!
@IRONMANAustralia Gotta lot of time on your hands I see. This is but a childish attempt to defame a very smart man and a gentleman. Chuck would give you much more respect that you have given him. BTW...profanity doen't help your position at all. Take care and grow in wisdom child.
This video is also taken out of context, it is part of a larger presentation. He goes on all about how life could not have come to existance by itself. Watch one of his other videos about creation or check out his 66/40 radio show.
Its the same as taking the bible out of context.
Or what if you were taken out of context, what if some caught you at the end of a speech or something.
This guy is smart his IQ is probably 200, yet it shows how your iq is 40, cause if all you can do insult him!!!
Isa 13:19 And Babylon, the glory of kingdoms, the beauty of the Chaldees' excellency, shall be as when God overthrew Sodom and Gomorrah.
Isa 13:20 It shall never be inhabited, neither shall it be dwelt in from generation to generation: neither shall the Arabian pitch tent there; neither shall the shepherds make their fold there.
The destruction is instant, Babylon is in the middle east where the conflict it. This sounds a bit too muck like a nuke!
LMAO! Then Missler is a bigger idiot than I took him for, and so are you.
Like other morons, (especially the hippies), you and Missler confuse the relatively short-term effects of nuclear fallout with the long half-lives of some radioactive elements, or maybe anthrax contamination, (it's hard to know exactly what your major malfunction is).
But suffice it to say: Go look up Hiroshima and see how many people are living there right now, and since when.
do you realize that was an atom bomb is alot different. The nukes now are 100 times more powerful and the can be engineered for all sorts of different effects, its actually pretty scary. Look up the modern ones.
Oh but this all you can do because a 3000 year old book talks about what could happen now a days. This is all you can come up with. Ya good feeble attempt, you don't know nothing about how much worse the modern one is.
It takes a higher Iq to learn than it does to insult
To what "modern ones" are you referring? Thermonuclear? Neutron bombs? Tactical nukes? Dirty bombs?
Could you be more specific, or is it you who "don't know nothing" about nuclear weapons?
And considering these concepts were almost exclusively developed in the 50's, (ie. the Atomic Age), your suggestion that "the modern ones" are "alot different" invites scurrilous interrogation.
Where are you getting your "scary" information numbnuts? GreenPeace?
BTW did you know the bible talks about NUCULAR WAR in the the future, both DANIEL and ISAIAH talk about it. It describes it. All this in a book written 3000 years ago.
This is not in bible code, it is plain text original Hebrew.
Try telling this to a Christian and they are shocked and dumbfounded.
You know who opened me to this nugget of truth CHUCK MISSLER.
If you are really interested then listen to this. Listen to the whole thing and pay close attention to the last half as he goes into more detail about "is God evil".
Your so blind to the truth. Hell wasnt made for us. It was made for Satan. You have a choice. Believe and be saved or reject and follow Satan. Stop trying to blame God for your choices. God desires love from us. There can be no real love w/o a choice not to love or to be evil. Dont let your shortsightedness send you to hell. Ask God to reveal the truth to you and to take away the blinders that Satan has over your eyes. The cost is too great otherwise. Dont let Satan win and condemn your soul.
I'm not, I'm blaming him for HIS choices. His choice to only accept blood sacrifice. His choice to require his son being tortured to death. His choice to murder children to satisfy his own bigotry. His choice to make imperfect men and then punish them for HIS failures.
My argument was that the God of the Bible is a sick, evil fuck, and it doesn't seem as though you have any argument whatsoever to counter that.
just as bad as creationist vids... all you're saying is "this guy's wrong" and not explaining your case...
btw, i KNOW he's wrong, and i'm an atheist, but at least say why you think he's wrong! if he said that to you irl you wouldnt just say "you're wrong" would you?... >.>
unless you want me to stress it by saying "saying he's wrong doens't make him wrong, you have to offer legitamate evidence for your case otherwise it's pointless"
also, to the point of 'knowing what you're talking about'...perhaps take a look at the current assertions of most of the top physicists, concerning intelligent design & the probability of creation. i mean, is stephen hawking a fool? or is his work too difficult for a joker to read?
You mean the top physicists that are overwhelmingly atheists? Like Stephen Hawking, who posited that quantaum causality made the "First Cause" argument irrelevant to an early universe? Or do you mean the group of scientists who acknowledge that we don't have enough knowledge of the early universe to understand whether the universal constants are REALLY improbable?
Maybe you should do some research of your own, kiddie.
physicists are overwhelmingly atheists yes. however, during PERSONAL commentary, not presentation of scientific data as fact (which is the way they write), you'll find that many don't have a belief because they don't know 100% through their own terms of measurement - physics. however, many assert that intelligent design to them PERSONALLY, is possible, given the dynamic complexities that do exist. won't clarify any further, other than to say it's all theory at the end of the day.
Well, I'd rebut your arguments eyeflow, but all you have said is just stupid. No intellectually honest atheist would deny that God or intelligent design is impossible; the only statement that can be reasonably made about God, based on reality, is that he is either one sick, evil fuck or isn't paying any attention to us at all.
"If you knew anything firsthand(not hearsay)about the Bible, you would never call God evil."
Why, because the Bible says God is good and loves us? Bullshit; the supposed history in the Bible flatly contradicts this. First he punishes humans for a crime they didn't even understand before they committed it (Adam and Eve), then he shows a propensity for animal sacrifice (Can and Abel), then he drowns the world to kill sinners, while incidentally killing a whole lot of innocent children (Noah),
then he destroys a civilization for building a tower than WOULDN'T HAVE REACHED HEAVEN ANYWAY (Tower of Babel), wiped out a couple cities for his own bigotry (Sodom and Gomorrah), unleashed horrible plagues on innocent children when all he really had to do was kill the pharaoh (Moses), cursed his people to wander lost for 40 years after setting up a ridiculous system of rules (Moses cont.), orders his people to slaughter, rape, and pillage dozens of kingdoms (pretty much all of Joshua),
blah blah blah and finally sends his son to earth to be tortured to a slow, excruciating death, because apparently that's the only way an all-knowing, all-powerful God could forgive mankind (the Gospel).
I'm sorry, but if anyone who didn't claim to love me bragged about doing all that shit, I'd call him one sick, evil fuck.
As I said, you view of the Bible is supremely twisted. You obviously have no idea what morals are. You look at everything from a lawless perspective and then whine when the lawless are judged by a holy God. God MUST judge sin. You disobey God, there will be consequenses. You reject His provision for your soul, there will be eternal consequenses.
I'm not whining, I'm pointing out that God's actions are immoral. If you think that killing innocent children and letting your own son be tortured is moral, then say so, I dare you. If you don't, then shut the hell up.
If God truly believes that those actions are moral, then I'm not going to worship him; he's clearly insane. If he throws me in hell for it, so be it; I refuse to follow a sick, evil tyrant.
Gods actions are not immoral. You just choose to believe they are. Jesus laid His own life down for us out of love. If he hadnt paid the price for us then every single human that has ever lived would be condemned to hell. How much more "moral" can you get?
Oh, and babies got to heaven. If God judges a culture that has repeatedly rejected Him and lived in lawlessness He is only exercising righteous judgement. The children that would have grown up as pagans now go to heaven and are saved.
Gods actions ARE immoral! Jesus only had to be sacrificed in bloody agony because GOD SAID SO! God only accepts blood sacrifice because GOD SAID SO! We are only condemned to Hell because GOD SAID SO! How is protecting us from a punishment that HE MADE UP moral?
It's like Hitler gloating that "Well I'm going to gas anyone who doesn't obey me but if you guys torture my son for a few days and then beg his corpse for forgiveness, I won't kill you. Aren't I nice?" That's not moral, it's insane.
if you watch the full video, it is clearly taken out of context here to make missler look a fool. read up about his background and the background of those who are his peers, in addition to his teachings on the bible.perhaps you may take this from a vastly different perspective.i understand how ridiculous this looks, isolated as a single clip & am not an unreasoned intellect myself, but have studied much of missler's work, which includes MANY cohesive arguments for various things.
"He has no concept of evolution- Science says that the process took possibly millions of years- not the shelf life of peanut butter. "
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The irony here is that if you were to take that jar of peanut butter back in a time machine to the primordial earth, it actually MAY help in the formation of more complex chemical compounds. Given enough time, of course.
gonindunit- Missler may or may not be a "Bible scholar" but he has no idea what he is talking about. He has no concept of evolution- Science says that the process took possibly millions of years- not the shelf life of peanut butter.
This guy is seriously a super moron. If he took 2 seconds to realize that processed foods undergo certain measures to prolong shelf life he wouldn't look like such a tard.
I'm nearly 60 years old and I've travelled all over the world. I've heard 1000's of speakers and I am a cautious Christian. I don't swallow every preacher's words. But Chuck Missler (though not perfect like you and me) is one of the most literate Bible scholars I have ever heard. I'm posting a link at the top to show what I mean.
For the first time in my life, I'm glad we don't use nuclear power in this country. If we did, the irony in that statement would've caused an electromagnetic inversion in my computer, surged back through the power lines, and overloaded the reactor core.
it's a strawman argument because no evolutionist claims that life can spontaneously form in peanut butter. the spontaneous formation of complex life was disproven by louis pasteur. however, this does not mean that simple, self-replicating molecules can't form if the right kind of matter is present.
Yes, couldn't agree more. I've yet to read an explanation of Abiogenesis that bares even a slight resemblance to that. You might find my own video "Strawman Science" interesting.
..'Instead of looking through the works of the Creator himself, they stop short, and employ the knowledge they acquire to create doubts of his existence. They labor with studied ingenuity to ascribe everything they behold to innate properties of matter, and jump over the rest by saying that matter is eternal.' -Thomas Paine, 1810
"I do not believe in the creed professed by the Jewish church, by the Roman church, by the Greek church, by the Turkish church, by the Protestant church, nor by any church that I know of. My own mind is my own church.
All national institutions of churches, whether Jewish, Christian or Turkish, appear to me no other than human inventions, set up to terrify and enslave mankind, and monopolize power and profit." - Thomas Paine.
The point of it is that he believed it was wrong to force students to pay attention to science's explanation of everything. Schools should ONLY teach what can be proven beyond any reasonable doubt. Anything that is theoretical should be taught as an option, not preached as though it is law.
That's not true man, not even in the slightest. One of the chief evolutionary theorists who proposed Chemical Predestination has recounted his theories and is now a Creationist. Evolution as an origin of spieces is physically impossible and that's been well documented. Remember to always keep you mind open to truth, search for what you can find out there. The lies abound!
What? "Chemical Predestination"? Never heard of it, and I've studied evolution quite a bit. So basically, you tried to disprove evolution by pointing out something that has nothing to do with evolution, wnd the inventor if idea is still alive.
sicstyl, i seem to remember casting perls before swine being something not recommended. I see your heart and your patience but remember, you're fighting a spiritual battle here. And the eyes of these people are closed. reason will not disuade them from believing in lies. Pray for them, instead, it will be much more effective.
Reason?! You stupid turd...there's no reason in religion. It's faith - not reason. Science is reason. God is supernatural not natural. Or do you disagree?
I don't even know where to begin responding to someone who favours Faith ove Logic and Reason.
First, I'll just mention that I tend to think that people who don't believe in Logic are insane.
Also "Faith" is basically pig-headed closed-mindedness. People with "Faith" actually pride themselves in their ability to look at evidence that contradicts what they already think and remain unmoved.
With all respect, faith is most certainly not the opposite of reason. But seeing the context in which you use the word faith I can see how you would make that erroneous assumption. You would do better to state that Faith is the opposite of Skepticism which is more what I think that you're trying to convey. However, to me Faith = Trust In What You Have Reason To Believe Is True
"The point of it is that he believed it was wrong to force students to pay attention to science's explanation of everything. Schools should ONLY teach what can be proven beyond any reasonable doubt. Anything that is theoretical should be taught as an option, not preached as though it is law. "
You contradict yourself. The Scientific Method IS proof. Creation is an idea based on mythology.
I was expecting an intelligent rebuttal to Missler's analogy. Just another example of how utterly ignorant people who argue against Creation are. What kind of rebuttal is 'you're stupid?' Evolution proponents become as witty as disgruntled kindergarteners when this topic is discussed.
Then according to Proverbs 18:13 Missler should have actually studied evolution before making an argument against it. He obviously doesn't understand the first goddamned thing about it, because he's trying to refute a claim that the Theory of Evolution simply does not make.
If you really want to hear a rebuttal, listen to 'The Skeptics Guide to the Universe' podcast #89, where it is discussed in more detail by Dr. Steven Novella.
Yeah you tell him. Use that bible. It's totaly a source of reliable information, and qouteing it in no way makes your arguement worthless in any real argument.
Noak, for all of your cynicism, you're right. You might want to look into how reliable the Bible is as a source of information. For instance, for over 7 years Chuck Missler has been saying that Turkey would never be allowed to join the EU. Biblical prophecies call for Turkey to align with Russia and Iran and invade Israel. Read a little on the internet to see how reliable that information has been?
Or maybe how prophecies in the book of Ezekiel were able to determine over 2,500 years before hand, the very day that Israel would become a nation again? Or that in the last days there would be a re-emergence of a unified Europe? So yea, if you want to know what's happening in the world, it's a very reliable information.
You should really read into Paradolia. You understand that you are creating these things, they are loose concepts that you mold into whatever helps you rationalize your faith.
Check into the prophecy of the 70 weeks of Daniel, in Daniel chapter 9. It's something that Missler promotes. In Daniel 9, the angel Gabriel gives Daniel a mathmatical prophecy that predicted, about 450 years before the birth of Christ, the exact date that he presented himself as Messiah.
And as far as CARS, THE INTERNET, SPECIFIC NAMES AND DATES??? I will refer you to Jesus who said: Therefore speak I to them in parables: because they seeing see not; and hearing they hear not, neither do they understand. And in them is fulfilled the prophecy of Esaias, which saith, By hearing ye shall hear, and shall not understand; and seeing ye shall see, and shall not perceive:
For this people's heart is waxed gross, and [their] ears are dull of hearing, and their eyes they have closed; lest at any time they should see with [their] eyes, and hear with [their] ears, and should understand with [their] heart, and should be converted, and I should heal them.
I find that the LORD has designed his word with holes just big enough for you pride to fall through. If you come to the scriptures with pride in your heart, with your mind already made up, the LORD will allow you to die in that state and face eternal separation from him.
In the word of the LORD, leaven is always idiomatic of sin, that's because it corrupts by puffing up. That's what pride does to a person, it corrupts them by puffing them up. I mean, you are intellegent enough to parry with philosophical arguments, why not use that intellegence to take a deep look into the scriptures? Just approach them with humility, without having your mind made up and say a prayer to the LORD to open his word to you and I promise you he will.
And one more thing. The prophecy in Daniel 9 is so accurate in describing the coming and death of the Messiah that the Talmud says that there is a CURSE on anyone who reads Daniel 9.
I don't believe that matter is solid but that doesn't mean that if I jump in front of a bus I will not be killed. Often it is the variable not considered that deals us the death blow. In your case you say that you do not believe in God. I would say that you have a bigger problem in the fact that God believes in you.
and for this person's mind hath waned from all that is reason and they are obsessed with a work of fiction. and yet they clame others to be deluded and misguided.
First off NO ONE KNOWS THE EXACT DATE, mostly becuase there WAS NO CHRIST.
What you are doing is lying. Please tell me the exact date christ, and when he presented himself as the messiah. (You know since the only writing we have comes from the bible and comes a few hundred years after his supposed death... not counting the fact that they are all derived from Mark which places the entire story of jesus happening on a different plane than earth)
A few hundred years after his death? The only writing we have is the Bible? Where are you getting this information? My friend, if you want to play the blind man and mix your theory of history with pop culture references and movies, go ahead and do that. But may I sincerely recommend that you not do so in front of an audience as you are only planting your foot deeply in your mouth.
Google this: Early Non-Christian Witnesses to Jesus Christ
I apologize if I sound too harsh. I used to be just like you, thinking that it was all a myth. Until one day the Lord sent me someone who actually had looked into it.
Then prove me wrong, please. What is the "exact date" you toss out as proof.
What contemporary sources (even the bible isn't contemporary) do you have for Jesus' existence?
Jesus dies in 33CE right? Then mark comes along, sometime after 70CE it never places Jesus as having been on earth. The rest of the books talking about jesus come way after and are derived from mark.
So please if you know the exact date go right ahead and tell everyone, casue the whole damn world would like to know.
The first thing that you should ask yourself is are you willing to be wrong about this? I find that most people, no matter the evidence you produce for them, they still reject Yeshua. I believe that this is because accepting the LORD Yeshua Ha Messiach (or Jesus The Christ) is a completely spiritual undertaking. Remember that pride will stand in the way and block the work of the spirit. Therefore, let us put down our pride and peer into the word of the LORD.
The date given in Daniel for the arrival of Messiah, written around probably 530bc (off the top of my head), is April 6 32ad. There is much controversy about the so called "Jesus Papayrus" but some believe that they can date Matthew's gospel to 60ad.
Regardless of all this however, there is no histroical argument that Christianity began in Jerusalem and started right after the death of Messiah. So, you tell me, how is it that Christianity was able to gain ground in Jerusalem and Judea where Jesus walked and taught? These people would have rejected it entirely if it were not true, after all they were there. And the 66 books of the Bible are the best document texts in the world. Google this: Book Excerpt - Scaling the Secular City: The ...
The same way any cult gets together. Do you beleive that every religion mus therefore be true because if it wasn't people would have rejected it? Remember the bible didnt exist at this time, and what writings there were very few could read. For the first chunk of years all anyone taught was that Jesus died for them since the only story they had was that in mark, WHICH NEVER PLACES JESUS AS HAVING LIVED ON EARTH.
Okay, pause a moment. With all the respect that I can muster, can I please recommend that you read, at minimum, the first chapter of Mark? I don't know where you're getting your information but it is very obvious that you have never once read Mark's gospel.
Also, these guys were teaching everything about who Jesus was, what he did and that he was resurrected. You're argument entirely falls into pieces because if these men were lying, people would have rejected it and wrote about it! Yet early non-historical writings about Christ back up the story! Please, go back and read some of the things that I have asked you to read! Instead of being lazy and allowing your ignorance on the matter to get the best of you.
First, name one document that backs up the existence of christ. One.
Second, people lie. They do- do you believe that everyone who spoke about muhammed was not lieing becuase people wouldnt have beleived them? As you have ignored my point on this subject in a prior post and simply called me ignorant rather than adress it I'm going to end this. You are an extremely dishonest person.
This is a bullshit point and you know it, all you ahve to do is look at ANY other religion you do not agree with. If L. Ron Hubbard was lieing then peopel would reject it. So Scientology must be true. Are you a scientoligist as well?
I have to apologize on this point. I actualy was confusing PAUL with MARK. Not that it makes it any less damming becuase PAUL was much closer to the supposed time of jesus, he is the ONLY writing of jesus that exists between his death, and the 50 plus years later when MARK shows up. Still as, if not MORE Damning.
Paul doesn't put Christ on earth? about His Son, Jesus Christ our Lord, who was made of the seed of David according to the flesh,
(Rom 1:3) For I delivered to you first of all that which I also received, that Christ died for our sins, according to the Scriptures, and that He was buried, and that He rose again the third day according to the Scriptures;
THAT DOES NOT PLACE THE EVENTS AS OCCURING ON EARTH. To paul these things occured on a heavenly plain. You understand that at the time almost all literature, and definiatly all religious scripture was an ALLEGORY.
If you think that Paul's scripture is allegorical that is because you have not read it. Paul specifically wrote to Churches about the doctrines of Christ. Read his claims of apostleship. And those scriptures DO place the events on earth. According to the flesh is refering to our existance as humans. You can't make the words not say what they say.
To change the religion of Israel with its observance of the Mosaic law, Sabbath keeping, sacrifices, and clear-cut non-Trinitarian monotheism would be to risk the damnation of their own souls to hell. A modern atheist may not worry about such a thing, but members of the early church surely did.
That is special pleading. You realise what you've said right? Those that beleive in jesus wouldn't beleive in jesus if he was lieing.... kay....
This is rediculous. you love to move goalposts eh? You realises that some jews didn't beleive right? Hence we still ahve a jewish religion? Are they the exemption that proves the rule?
The Jewish religion that follows on with the writings of the law and the prophets is Christianity. The Jewish religion of the Rabbi's is not the religion of Moses. The Torah says that without sacrafices there is no forgiveness of sin and they haven't had a temple since 90ad. I'm not moving goal posts. I'm saying that there were eye witnesses around at the time that would have written about how Jesus didn't exist and didn't do the things that they said he did.
You don't write about how something doesn't exist. Christianity was a SMALL cult at the time jesus was supposed to have died. Apparently you think that the entire middle east was litterate at the time, or traveled all around.
And again other religions which you say are wrong have miracles and magic and all sorts of crap that should have a whole flood of writing about how it never happened and yet, wow they don't, so why arn't you accepting muhammed?
How was it that this statement by Paul is allegory? and that He was buried, and that He rose again the third day according to the Scriptures; and that He was seen by Cephas, then by the Twelve. Afterward He was seen by over five hundred brothers at once, of whom the greater part remain until this present day, but also some fell asleep. Afterward He was seen by James, then by all the apostles. And last of all He was seen by me also, as one born out of time.
The Koran doesn't have near the historical evidence that the 66 books of the Bible do and on top of that, Muhammed didn't have an entire book written about him, which Christ did.
Christianity was a small cult at the time eh? I like how you claim that we can't know anything about Jesus but you can know the size of Christianity at the time. You're contradicting yourself and it's very convieniant to use that bit of anti-knowledge for your argument. Christianity was sweeping the Jewish world! There were hearings in the Sanhedrin! Christ had just been delivered to the head Roman in charge! Yea, it was a small event.
You know, it was just this small little thing where thousands of people were being converted. These same thousands of people that had seen Jesus for themselves. Strang how the desciples were able to, "hypontize," these people into believing in things that they would have know first hand were not true.
Really that's what it said April 6th? Even when hte date system then had fewer months and years took place in the form of seasons? (Hence certain characters living to 600) And even if it did date it to that point you still have the problem that the actual "death" of jesus doesnt have a specific date.
Yea, isn't it crazy that Daniel was able to nail the exact day? Maybe it's because all of this information that you have about years taking place in the form of seasons is unfounded? Here's a riddle for you, Methuselah is the listed as the oldest person in the Bible but he died before his father. How is this possible? Let me guess, you're going to insult me instead of looking this up?
No he was not able to nail the exact day. We don't KNOW the exact day. Just becuase it says its the exact day doesnt make it so. Your "faith" is makeing you take the bible at face value.
Did you also know that Methuselah somehow contradicts god with his age? Nice so god is a liar about the cap he put on peoples ages.
He put the cap on the ages after Methuselah. Please, read it for yourself. Methuselah's name meant his death shall bring. With the death of Methuselah, the flood would come. He was the oldest man listed in the Bible, showing God's great patience and mercy
There are many things that could occur to make me accept Jesus, not only historicly but as a being that actualy paranormal, but those things require EVIDENCE. Conversely I doubt any evidence could convince you there is no God or Jesus, as there is always the back door to self imposed ignorance that you call faith.
and this is stated in clear text in the bible ... or is this some "bible code" someone came up with.
Anyone could take any book and come up with some code to produce accurate prophecy after the fact. show me detailed info about the space shuttle(ie size description purpose dates , etc) written in plain text then perhaps you will have something.
Yes and is not the atheist who thinks he knows all. What about that piece of information that you do know, what if god is hiding behind that piece of info. To say your an aeithist says you know everything.
So you in essence are commentating on 30 secs of part of a larger presentation. So you base this on the one statement.
The earth is a closed loop system Life had to be added upon it
'God who gave us life gave us liberty. And can the liberties of a nation be thought secure when we have removed their only firm basis, a conviction in the minds of the people, that these liberties are a gift from God? That they are not to be violated but with His wrath? Indeed I tremble for my country when I reflect that God is just, and his justice cannot sleep forever.' -Thomas Jefferson, 1781
"First, that the Christianity of the churches was unreasonable, therefore unbelievable, but that stripped of priestly mystery, ritual, and dogma, reinterpreted in the light of historical evidence and human experience, and substituting the Newtonian cosmology for the discredited Biblical one, Christianity could be conformed to reason.
Second, morality required no divine sanction or inspiration, no appeal beyond reason and nature, perhaps not even the hope of heaven or the fear of hell; and so the whole edifice of Christian revelation came tumbling to the ground."
Wrong. You evolutionists have everything misunderstood. 'Good' and 'evil' are simplified adjectives that describe acting like a human being the way God intended vs. acting like an instinct driven animal. Moral behavior was not given to us to inhibit us. It is there to prevent us from literally killing ourselves. Greed can kill you. Lust can kill you. The Ten Commandments are there to steer us away from that which can literally destroy us.
You are funny you know that ?.. Abiogenesis (not evolution) does not state that the first reproducing cells came from peanutbutter. Evolution doesnt state that either, actually, evolution has nothing to do with this.
A rebuttal? The man hasn't taken a sensible position. Why rebut something patently and obviously wrong. If someone says "the Ozark mountains are made of Hershey's Chocolate" there is no real "intelligent" rebuttal other than "are you kidding?". This guy's peanut butter analogy is so ludicrous as to not really be deserving of much more than ridicule. To think that a grown man walks among us with such a medieval view of the world is just spooky.
The guy tried to dispove a theory he didn't understand at all by opening a jar of peanut butter! Not only is that a Strawman, it doesn't even bare the slightest resemblance to Abiogenesis.
This man takes stupidity to a whole new level, as do his apologists and sycophants.
SuperImready 1 month ago
should have put waldo in the peanut butter.
MassFragment 9 months ago
Today's Lesson: Explain WHY you make your video IN the actual video so your attempt to make someone else look stupid doesnt explode in your own face
TheJCFan 11 months ago
Credit to you for ridiculing comments taken out of context and secondly for having an obvious hatred of Bible believers and openly expressing it. I'm sure you are thoroughly knowledgeable of all 66 books, but something just didn't "take". So once again friends, as it was in the beginning, so it will be in the end, The Scriptures have both The First and The Last True Word..."the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him". Corinthians 2:14
BackInTheGarden 1 year ago
But that's the way he FEELS so it MUST BE TRUE
cameraperson 2 years ago
God be praised for great teachers like Mr Missler
Loree35 2 years ago
Missler is equisitely stupid.
rddaos 2 years ago
The evidence for anthropogenesis is out there for all to see. I suggest Chuck Missler quit messing around with peanut butter and look up "List of human evolution fossils" on Wikipedia. I'm afraid his peanut butter jar can't hold a flame to real evidence.
Note: I particularly like the "Amud 1" specimen of H. neanderthalensis and "LB1" of H. floresiensis (Hobbit).
crchrdsn 2 years ago
I need to stop reading these fucking youtube comments section arguments between christians and athiest. It is slowly but surely killing me on the inside.
Fernt 2 years ago 7
@Fernt correction: Most Christians accept the evolutionary process and the wonders of scientific discovery. You really mean scientifically illiterate ignorant YEC/ID Fundie idiots who are an embarrassment to most Christians. Their foolishness is hard to stomach.
joelkness 1 year ago
@joelkness Well, on Youtube, it always seems like it's the dumbest possible representatives from either group most of the time.
Fernt 1 year ago
I would like to point out to Mr. Missler that if he opens a few million trillion bottles of peanut butter that have been left on the shelf for a few billion years and exposed to the kind of energy present during the earth's formation, he might just open one to find something crawling out.
Whoever is complaining below, most people you will find argument with are mostly agnostic and don't presume to know anything but what facts present. When you hear hoof steps, think horses, not zebras.
meunlikeyou 3 years ago
>he might just open one to find something crawling out.
He opened it so many times online that this happened
watch?v=dNw6zO6OvqY&feature=email
TheStrangeRanger 3 years ago
Life didn't begin on earth inside a peanut butter jar. It probably began in the sea near volcanic vents. Nobody's saying life started when lightning struck a peanut butter jar.
rddaos 2 years ago
Wow, ignorance, Chuck Missler is the prodigy of teller the father of the hydrogen bomb. Anyone that has any sense would find the real video to this. Your just spreading more of your propaganda bs! Wake people.
worm102 3 years ago
>Wow, ignorance, Chuck Missler is the prodigy of teller the father of the hydrogen bomb.
Wow. Irony. You have the audacity to call someone ignorant but you're too illiterate to know the difference between prodigy and progenitor. Not to mention you believe in a magic sky daddy that grants you wishes if you kiss his ass. Talk about ignorance! You're a great example.
TheStrangeRanger 3 years ago
This is a mostly a study of creation and sceince that acompanies it, there is some peer review studdies mention in this also. The bible talk about how the stars
The speed of light has slown down since the start of time, we all know time is relative to the speed of light.
Cosmic radiation effects carbon dating, solar flares and other insterstellar radation would make thing look alot older than they are. Would there not be alot more solar radation along time ago with everything closer together
demikaiser 3 years ago
Ha ha Thomas Dolby
liberapedia 3 years ago
Its also from the end of a video Iron man, it is a comparison taken out of context. There is a really good presentation of Genesis from his website. Also as far as nukes go there is stuff you can do to make the half life be 1000 years
demikaiser 3 years ago
Congratulations, you win the IRONMANAustralia Channel 'Fuckwit of the Week Award' for making two vague denunciations in one comment.
Why don't you tell me HOW it's out of context exactly.
And while you're at it, I hope you can avoid doing any "stuff" that might make the half-life of nukes "be" 1000 years, and explain why that's a big deal.
Here's a clue, (since you obviously need to get one): Bismuth has a half-life of 19,000,000,000,000,000,000 yrs. Oh no! Run for the hills!
IRONMANAustralia 3 years ago
@IRONMANAustralia Gotta lot of time on your hands I see. This is but a childish attempt to defame a very smart man and a gentleman. Chuck would give you much more respect that you have given him. BTW...profanity doen't help your position at all. Take care and grow in wisdom child.
jholben 5 months ago
This video is also taken out of context, it is part of a larger presentation. He goes on all about how life could not have come to existance by itself. Watch one of his other videos about creation or check out his 66/40 radio show.
Its the same as taking the bible out of context.
Or what if you were taken out of context, what if some caught you at the end of a speech or something.
This guy is smart his IQ is probably 200, yet it shows how your iq is 40, cause if all you can do insult him!!!
demikaiser 3 years ago
Missler looks even more stupid in the context of the entire video - I'm doing him a favour by not showing it.
IQ of 200? For someone making an argument on par with Ray Comfort's infamous "Banana Argument", that's quite a claim.
And insulting Missler is not all I can do - it's just a hobby.
IRONMANAustralia 3 years ago
Isa 13:19 And Babylon, the glory of kingdoms, the beauty of the Chaldees' excellency, shall be as when God overthrew Sodom and Gomorrah.
Isa 13:20 It shall never be inhabited, neither shall it be dwelt in from generation to generation: neither shall the Arabian pitch tent there; neither shall the shepherds make their fold there.
The destruction is instant, Babylon is in the middle east where the conflict it. This sounds a bit too muck like a nuke!
P.S. this is from a book thats 3000 years old
demikaiser 3 years ago
LMAO! Then Missler is a bigger idiot than I took him for, and so are you.
Like other morons, (especially the hippies), you and Missler confuse the relatively short-term effects of nuclear fallout with the long half-lives of some radioactive elements, or maybe anthrax contamination, (it's hard to know exactly what your major malfunction is).
But suffice it to say: Go look up Hiroshima and see how many people are living there right now, and since when.
I hope you don't drive a Mazda.
IRONMANAustralia 3 years ago
do you realize that was an atom bomb is alot different. The nukes now are 100 times more powerful and the can be engineered for all sorts of different effects, its actually pretty scary. Look up the modern ones.
Oh but this all you can do because a 3000 year old book talks about what could happen now a days. This is all you can come up with. Ya good feeble attempt, you don't know nothing about how much worse the modern one is.
It takes a higher Iq to learn than it does to insult
demikaiser 3 years ago
To what "modern ones" are you referring? Thermonuclear? Neutron bombs? Tactical nukes? Dirty bombs?
Could you be more specific, or is it you who "don't know nothing" about nuclear weapons?
And considering these concepts were almost exclusively developed in the 50's, (ie. the Atomic Age), your suggestion that "the modern ones" are "alot different" invites scurrilous interrogation.
Where are you getting your "scary" information numbnuts? GreenPeace?
IRONMANAustralia 3 years ago
BTW did you know the bible talks about NUCULAR WAR in the the future, both DANIEL and ISAIAH talk about it. It describes it. All this in a book written 3000 years ago.
This is not in bible code, it is plain text original Hebrew.
Try telling this to a Christian and they are shocked and dumbfounded.
You know who opened me to this nugget of truth CHUCK MISSLER.
demikaiser 3 years ago
I'm not going to a link you put up--if you have an argument then post it here.
Hooya2 3 years ago
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Copy and paste this - eliminate all the spaces
If you are really interested then listen to this. Listen to the whole thing and pay close attention to the last half as he goes into more detail about "is God evil".
poolboy22v 3 years ago
Your so blind to the truth. Hell wasnt made for us. It was made for Satan. You have a choice. Believe and be saved or reject and follow Satan. Stop trying to blame God for your choices. God desires love from us. There can be no real love w/o a choice not to love or to be evil. Dont let your shortsightedness send you to hell. Ask God to reveal the truth to you and to take away the blinders that Satan has over your eyes. The cost is too great otherwise. Dont let Satan win and condemn your soul.
poolboy22v 3 years ago
"Stop trying to blame God for your choices."
I'm not, I'm blaming him for HIS choices. His choice to only accept blood sacrifice. His choice to require his son being tortured to death. His choice to murder children to satisfy his own bigotry. His choice to make imperfect men and then punish them for HIS failures.
My argument was that the God of the Bible is a sick, evil fuck, and it doesn't seem as though you have any argument whatsoever to counter that.
Hooya2 3 years ago
pointless video
poolboy22v 3 years ago
just as bad as creationist vids... all you're saying is "this guy's wrong" and not explaining your case...
btw, i KNOW he's wrong, and i'm an atheist, but at least say why you think he's wrong! if he said that to you irl you wouldnt just say "you're wrong" would you?... >.>
IzzyBunneh 3 years ago
You're saying it's wrong to not explain why he's wrong, but you didn't explain why.
IRONMANAustralia 3 years ago
try reading my comment again, i did explain why
unless you want me to stress it by saying "saying he's wrong doens't make him wrong, you have to offer legitamate evidence for your case otherwise it's pointless"
IzzyBunneh 3 years ago
also, to the point of 'knowing what you're talking about'...perhaps take a look at the current assertions of most of the top physicists, concerning intelligent design & the probability of creation. i mean, is stephen hawking a fool? or is his work too difficult for a joker to read?
eyeflow9 4 years ago
You mean the top physicists that are overwhelmingly atheists? Like Stephen Hawking, who posited that quantaum causality made the "First Cause" argument irrelevant to an early universe? Or do you mean the group of scientists who acknowledge that we don't have enough knowledge of the early universe to understand whether the universal constants are REALLY improbable?
Maybe you should do some research of your own, kiddie.
Hooya2 4 years ago
physicists are overwhelmingly atheists yes. however, during PERSONAL commentary, not presentation of scientific data as fact (which is the way they write), you'll find that many don't have a belief because they don't know 100% through their own terms of measurement - physics. however, many assert that intelligent design to them PERSONALLY, is possible, given the dynamic complexities that do exist. won't clarify any further, other than to say it's all theory at the end of the day.
eyeflow9 4 years ago
and personal insults don't really get you anywhere....kiddie.
eyeflow9 4 years ago
Well, I'd rebut your arguments eyeflow, but all you have said is just stupid. No intellectually honest atheist would deny that God or intelligent design is impossible; the only statement that can be reasonably made about God, based on reality, is that he is either one sick, evil fuck or isn't paying any attention to us at all.
Hooya2 3 years ago
look who hasnt been doing his homework. If you knew anything firsthand(not hearsay)about the Bible, you would never call God evil.
poolboy22v 3 years ago
"If you knew anything firsthand(not hearsay)about the Bible, you would never call God evil."
Why, because the Bible says God is good and loves us? Bullshit; the supposed history in the Bible flatly contradicts this. First he punishes humans for a crime they didn't even understand before they committed it (Adam and Eve), then he shows a propensity for animal sacrifice (Can and Abel), then he drowns the world to kill sinners, while incidentally killing a whole lot of innocent children (Noah),
Hooya2 3 years ago
then he destroys a civilization for building a tower than WOULDN'T HAVE REACHED HEAVEN ANYWAY (Tower of Babel), wiped out a couple cities for his own bigotry (Sodom and Gomorrah), unleashed horrible plagues on innocent children when all he really had to do was kill the pharaoh (Moses), cursed his people to wander lost for 40 years after setting up a ridiculous system of rules (Moses cont.), orders his people to slaughter, rape, and pillage dozens of kingdoms (pretty much all of Joshua),
Hooya2 3 years ago
blah blah blah and finally sends his son to earth to be tortured to a slow, excruciating death, because apparently that's the only way an all-knowing, all-powerful God could forgive mankind (the Gospel).
I'm sorry, but if anyone who didn't claim to love me bragged about doing all that shit, I'd call him one sick, evil fuck.
Hooya2 3 years ago
As I said, you view of the Bible is supremely twisted. You obviously have no idea what morals are. You look at everything from a lawless perspective and then whine when the lawless are judged by a holy God. God MUST judge sin. You disobey God, there will be consequenses. You reject His provision for your soul, there will be eternal consequenses.
Flee from the wrath to come.
poolboy22v 3 years ago
I'm not whining, I'm pointing out that God's actions are immoral. If you think that killing innocent children and letting your own son be tortured is moral, then say so, I dare you. If you don't, then shut the hell up.
If God truly believes that those actions are moral, then I'm not going to worship him; he's clearly insane. If he throws me in hell for it, so be it; I refuse to follow a sick, evil tyrant.
Hooya2 3 years ago
Gods actions are not immoral. You just choose to believe they are. Jesus laid His own life down for us out of love. If he hadnt paid the price for us then every single human that has ever lived would be condemned to hell. How much more "moral" can you get?
Oh, and babies got to heaven. If God judges a culture that has repeatedly rejected Him and lived in lawlessness He is only exercising righteous judgement. The children that would have grown up as pagans now go to heaven and are saved.
poolboy22v 3 years ago
Gods actions ARE immoral! Jesus only had to be sacrificed in bloody agony because GOD SAID SO! God only accepts blood sacrifice because GOD SAID SO! We are only condemned to Hell because GOD SAID SO! How is protecting us from a punishment that HE MADE UP moral?
It's like Hitler gloating that "Well I'm going to gas anyone who doesn't obey me but if you guys torture my son for a few days and then beg his corpse for forgiveness, I won't kill you. Aren't I nice?" That's not moral, it's insane.
Hooya2 3 years ago
if you watch the full video, it is clearly taken out of context here to make missler look a fool. read up about his background and the background of those who are his peers, in addition to his teachings on the bible.perhaps you may take this from a vastly different perspective.i understand how ridiculous this looks, isolated as a single clip & am not an unreasoned intellect myself, but have studied much of missler's work, which includes MANY cohesive arguments for various things.
eyeflow9 4 years ago
am I the only one that noticed the peanut butter is a vagina?
breakxeggs 4 years ago 4
Yes, yes you are.
redhotrebel 4 years ago 2
Yes, and I bet you thought all those ink blots your doctor showed you were dirty pictures too.
IRONMANAustralia 4 years ago
no, they looked like ink blots
breakxeggs 4 years ago
Oh.
Then maybe you thought the trilobite was a vagina in the video because of its proximity to an asshole.
IRONMANAustralia 4 years ago
oh my god your so right
breakxeggs 4 years ago
It looked more like a fossil form the Cambrian Era.
ArcaneKarma 4 years ago
No, you must be confusing Missler with Duane Gish.
... oh wait .... did you mean the trilobite?
IRONMANAustralia 3 years ago
"He has no concept of evolution- Science says that the process took possibly millions of years- not the shelf life of peanut butter. "
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The irony here is that if you were to take that jar of peanut butter back in a time machine to the primordial earth, it actually MAY help in the formation of more complex chemical compounds. Given enough time, of course.
chazcov08 4 years ago
Wow. That is totally out of context.
UnOrigionalOne 4 years ago
gonindunit- Missler may or may not be a "Bible scholar" but he has no idea what he is talking about. He has no concept of evolution- Science says that the process took possibly millions of years- not the shelf life of peanut butter.
redhotrebel 4 years ago 2
she blinded me with science!
jbz3 4 years ago
Correctamundo!
IRONMANAustralia 4 years ago
This guy is seriously a super moron. If he took 2 seconds to realize that processed foods undergo certain measures to prolong shelf life he wouldn't look like such a tard.
Dear Mr. Missler,
Look up "preservatives".
redhotrebel 4 years ago
I'm nearly 60 years old and I've travelled all over the world. I've heard 1000's of speakers and I am a cautious Christian. I don't swallow every preacher's words. But Chuck Missler (though not perfect like you and me) is one of the most literate Bible scholars I have ever heard. I'm posting a link at the top to show what I mean.
gonindunit 4 years ago
Sure - it's easy to poke fun at someone when you take what they're saying out of context.
ftldelay 4 years ago
For the first time in my life, I'm glad we don't use nuclear power in this country. If we did, the irony in that statement would've caused an electromagnetic inversion in my computer, surged back through the power lines, and overloaded the reactor core.
IRONMANAustralia 4 years ago
After Hydrogen and Helium, Oxygen is the 3rd. most common element in the Universe.
TMTGAU 4 years ago
And the fifth most abundant element is neon. Poor neon. Nobody cares about an inert gas.
MrAngy 4 years ago
It's not that they don't care - it's a result of elemental discrimination - some people are just xenonphobic.
IRONMANAustralia 4 years ago
That trilobite made me laugh so hard I thought I was going to have a heart attack!
busymartian 4 years ago
Straw man argument? Like abiogenesis hasn't been proven to exist?
craggles80, the first cell didn't require air to grow, peanut butter would have a little air inside it even though its air tight.
Dihydrousoxide 4 years ago
Having worked for ETA, I can assure you that if any air exist, it is taken off the line. Very strict. Any cell needs air to grow.
craggles80 4 years ago
it's a strawman argument because no evolutionist claims that life can spontaneously form in peanut butter. the spontaneous formation of complex life was disproven by louis pasteur. however, this does not mean that simple, self-replicating molecules can't form if the right kind of matter is present.
33LB 4 years ago
Without air, nothing grows. A peanut butter jar is air-tight. Daaa.
craggles80 4 years ago
actually there wasn't oxygen in the atmosphere until there were cells created capable of doing photosynthesis.
samuraidude92 4 years ago
I suggest you re-study then.
craggles80 4 years ago
Can't. Stop. Laughing.
Doodle1Bean 4 years ago
You haven't refuted Comfort or Missler. People, do not accept this person's mere ipse dixit.
CAndiron 4 years ago
Yes, couldn't agree more. I've yet to read an explanation of Abiogenesis that bares even a slight resemblance to that. You might find my own video "Strawman Science" interesting.
dechha1981 4 years ago
i found something in my peanut butter (at 1000X magnification). Where do i send it to have it checked against known micro-organisms
mound 4 years ago
..'Instead of looking through the works of the Creator himself, they stop short, and employ the knowledge they acquire to create doubts of his existence. They labor with studied ingenuity to ascribe everything they behold to innate properties of matter, and jump over the rest by saying that matter is eternal.' -Thomas Paine, 1810
sicstyl 4 years ago
Thomas Paine was a deist too you moron.
"I do not believe in the creed professed by the Jewish church, by the Roman church, by the Greek church, by the Turkish church, by the Protestant church, nor by any church that I know of. My own mind is my own church.
All national institutions of churches, whether Jewish, Christian or Turkish, appear to me no other than human inventions, set up to terrify and enslave mankind, and monopolize power and profit." - Thomas Paine.
IRONMANAustralia 4 years ago
The point of it is that he believed it was wrong to force students to pay attention to science's explanation of everything. Schools should ONLY teach what can be proven beyond any reasonable doubt. Anything that is theoretical should be taught as an option, not preached as though it is law.
sicstyl 4 years ago
Evolution has been proven beyond a reasonable doubt, read a book.
jonnyeh 4 years ago
That's not true man, not even in the slightest. One of the chief evolutionary theorists who proposed Chemical Predestination has recounted his theories and is now a Creationist. Evolution as an origin of spieces is physically impossible and that's been well documented. Remember to always keep you mind open to truth, search for what you can find out there. The lies abound!
g0vinda 4 years ago
What? "Chemical Predestination"? Never heard of it, and I've studied evolution quite a bit. So basically, you tried to disprove evolution by pointing out something that has nothing to do with evolution, wnd the inventor if idea is still alive.
dechha1981 4 years ago
sicstyl, i seem to remember casting perls before swine being something not recommended. I see your heart and your patience but remember, you're fighting a spiritual battle here. And the eyes of these people are closed. reason will not disuade them from believing in lies. Pray for them, instead, it will be much more effective.
g0vinda 4 years ago
Reason?! You stupid turd...there's no reason in religion. It's faith - not reason. Science is reason. God is supernatural not natural. Or do you disagree?
crasster 4 years ago
g0vinda,
It's THEISTS that pride themselves in "Faith". Faith is the oposite of Reason.
dechha1981 4 years ago
Faith supercedes "reason".
gonindunit 4 years ago
I don't even know where to begin responding to someone who favours Faith ove Logic and Reason.
First, I'll just mention that I tend to think that people who don't believe in Logic are insane.
Also "Faith" is basically pig-headed closed-mindedness. People with "Faith" actually pride themselves in their ability to look at evidence that contradicts what they already think and remain unmoved.
dechha1981 4 years ago
RE: "Faith supercedes "reason"."
perhaps it does..but does that make it right?
often in court you will hear about passion superceding reason , or jealousy or any other number of things.
memoryofakiss 4 years ago
With all respect, faith is most certainly not the opposite of reason. But seeing the context in which you use the word faith I can see how you would make that erroneous assumption. You would do better to state that Faith is the opposite of Skepticism which is more what I think that you're trying to convey. However, to me Faith = Trust In What You Have Reason To Believe Is True
g0vinda 4 years ago
Hmm, maybe you're right. That sounds about right. I still prefer Skepticism over faith but your definition is probably about right.
dechha1981 4 years ago
"The point of it is that he believed it was wrong to force students to pay attention to science's explanation of everything. Schools should ONLY teach what can be proven beyond any reasonable doubt. Anything that is theoretical should be taught as an option, not preached as though it is law. "
You contradict yourself. The Scientific Method IS proof. Creation is an idea based on mythology.
dechha1981 4 years ago
Nice work, bro. The editing was nice and subtle. I'd compliment you on the humour but Mr Missler gets the credit for the laughs.
crasster 4 years ago
I was expecting an intelligent rebuttal to Missler's analogy. Just another example of how utterly ignorant people who argue against Creation are. What kind of rebuttal is 'you're stupid?' Evolution proponents become as witty as disgruntled kindergarteners when this topic is discussed.
sicstyl 4 years ago
"Ridicule is the only weapon which can be used against unintelligible propositions. Ideas must be distinct before reason can act upon them ..."
- Thomas Jefferson.
The same goes for wilful ignorance and ludicrous strawman arguments as far as I'm concerned.
IRONMANAustralia 4 years ago
Proverbs 18:13: 'He who answers before listening-that is folly and shame unto him.'
Most people tuned Missler out as soon as he brought up the peanut butter analogy. Can you refute what he said?
sicstyl 4 years ago
Then according to Proverbs 18:13 Missler should have actually studied evolution before making an argument against it. He obviously doesn't understand the first goddamned thing about it, because he's trying to refute a claim that the Theory of Evolution simply does not make.
If you really want to hear a rebuttal, listen to 'The Skeptics Guide to the Universe' podcast #89, where it is discussed in more detail by Dr. Steven Novella.
IRONMANAustralia 4 years ago
If you listen to chuck misslers genesis comentary I have no problem listening to to your podcast. I have watched zietgiest also
demikaiser 3 years ago
Yeah you tell him. Use that bible. It's totaly a source of reliable information, and qouteing it in no way makes your arguement worthless in any real argument.
Keep up the good work brother. Amen.
NoahRobertMiller 4 years ago
Noak, for all of your cynicism, you're right. You might want to look into how reliable the Bible is as a source of information. For instance, for over 7 years Chuck Missler has been saying that Turkey would never be allowed to join the EU. Biblical prophecies call for Turkey to align with Russia and Iran and invade Israel. Read a little on the internet to see how reliable that information has been?
g0vinda 4 years ago
Or maybe how prophecies in the book of Ezekiel were able to determine over 2,500 years before hand, the very day that Israel would become a nation again? Or that in the last days there would be a re-emergence of a unified Europe? So yea, if you want to know what's happening in the world, it's a very reliable information.
g0vinda 4 years ago
You should really read into Paradolia. You understand that you are creating these things, they are loose concepts that you mold into whatever helps you rationalize your faith.
NoahRobertMiller 4 years ago
Why then, if the bible is as reliable as you say, there is no mention of CARS, THE INTERNET, SPECIFIC NAMES AND DATES???
NoahRobertMiller 4 years ago
Check into the prophecy of the 70 weeks of Daniel, in Daniel chapter 9. It's something that Missler promotes. In Daniel 9, the angel Gabriel gives Daniel a mathmatical prophecy that predicted, about 450 years before the birth of Christ, the exact date that he presented himself as Messiah.
g0vinda 4 years ago
And as far as CARS, THE INTERNET, SPECIFIC NAMES AND DATES??? I will refer you to Jesus who said: Therefore speak I to them in parables: because they seeing see not; and hearing they hear not, neither do they understand. And in them is fulfilled the prophecy of Esaias, which saith, By hearing ye shall hear, and shall not understand; and seeing ye shall see, and shall not perceive:
g0vinda 4 years ago
For this people's heart is waxed gross, and [their] ears are dull of hearing, and their eyes they have closed; lest at any time they should see with [their] eyes, and hear with [their] ears, and should understand with [their] heart, and should be converted, and I should heal them.
g0vinda 4 years ago
I find that the LORD has designed his word with holes just big enough for you pride to fall through. If you come to the scriptures with pride in your heart, with your mind already made up, the LORD will allow you to die in that state and face eternal separation from him.
g0vinda 4 years ago
In the word of the LORD, leaven is always idiomatic of sin, that's because it corrupts by puffing up. That's what pride does to a person, it corrupts them by puffing them up. I mean, you are intellegent enough to parry with philosophical arguments, why not use that intellegence to take a deep look into the scriptures? Just approach them with humility, without having your mind made up and say a prayer to the LORD to open his word to you and I promise you he will.
g0vinda 4 years ago
And one more thing. The prophecy in Daniel 9 is so accurate in describing the coming and death of the Messiah that the Talmud says that there is a CURSE on anyone who reads Daniel 9.
g0vinda 4 years ago
Google this if you want to see something amazing: Jesus in the Talmud - Moriel Ministries
g0vinda 4 years ago
wow a threat of eternal seperation from something that i dont believe exists... and thus was eternally seperate from anyhow. im scared now.
memoryofakiss 4 years ago
I don't believe that matter is solid but that doesn't mean that if I jump in front of a bus I will not be killed. Often it is the variable not considered that deals us the death blow. In your case you say that you do not believe in God. I would say that you have a bigger problem in the fact that God believes in you.
g0vinda 4 years ago
pass me a bucket...
And yes, you can say matter is mainly empty space, it doesnt stop it from being solid in a macroscopic, everday sense.
Tell me, why would God believe in us? He already knows what we're going to do, surely.
memblor 4 years ago
and for this person's mind hath waned from all that is reason and they are obsessed with a work of fiction. and yet they clame others to be deluded and misguided.
memoryofakiss 4 years ago
First off NO ONE KNOWS THE EXACT DATE, mostly becuase there WAS NO CHRIST.
What you are doing is lying. Please tell me the exact date christ, and when he presented himself as the messiah. (You know since the only writing we have comes from the bible and comes a few hundred years after his supposed death... not counting the fact that they are all derived from Mark which places the entire story of jesus happening on a different plane than earth)
NoahRobertMiller 4 years ago
A few hundred years after his death? The only writing we have is the Bible? Where are you getting this information? My friend, if you want to play the blind man and mix your theory of history with pop culture references and movies, go ahead and do that. But may I sincerely recommend that you not do so in front of an audience as you are only planting your foot deeply in your mouth.
g0vinda 4 years ago
Google this: Early Non-Christian Witnesses to Jesus Christ
I apologize if I sound too harsh. I used to be just like you, thinking that it was all a myth. Until one day the Lord sent me someone who actually had looked into it.
g0vinda 4 years ago
Then prove me wrong, please. What is the "exact date" you toss out as proof.
What contemporary sources (even the bible isn't contemporary) do you have for Jesus' existence?
Jesus dies in 33CE right? Then mark comes along, sometime after 70CE it never places Jesus as having been on earth. The rest of the books talking about jesus come way after and are derived from mark.
So please if you know the exact date go right ahead and tell everyone, casue the whole damn world would like to know.
NoahRobertMiller 4 years ago
The first thing that you should ask yourself is are you willing to be wrong about this? I find that most people, no matter the evidence you produce for them, they still reject Yeshua. I believe that this is because accepting the LORD Yeshua Ha Messiach (or Jesus The Christ) is a completely spiritual undertaking. Remember that pride will stand in the way and block the work of the spirit. Therefore, let us put down our pride and peer into the word of the LORD.
g0vinda 4 years ago
The date given in Daniel for the arrival of Messiah, written around probably 530bc (off the top of my head), is April 6 32ad. There is much controversy about the so called "Jesus Papayrus" but some believe that they can date Matthew's gospel to 60ad.
g0vinda 4 years ago
Regardless of all this however, there is no histroical argument that Christianity began in Jerusalem and started right after the death of Messiah. So, you tell me, how is it that Christianity was able to gain ground in Jerusalem and Judea where Jesus walked and taught? These people would have rejected it entirely if it were not true, after all they were there. And the 66 books of the Bible are the best document texts in the world. Google this: Book Excerpt - Scaling the Secular City: The ...
g0vinda 4 years ago
The same way any cult gets together. Do you beleive that every religion mus therefore be true because if it wasn't people would have rejected it? Remember the bible didnt exist at this time, and what writings there were very few could read. For the first chunk of years all anyone taught was that Jesus died for them since the only story they had was that in mark, WHICH NEVER PLACES JESUS AS HAVING LIVED ON EARTH.
NoahRobertMiller 4 years ago
Okay, pause a moment. With all the respect that I can muster, can I please recommend that you read, at minimum, the first chapter of Mark? I don't know where you're getting your information but it is very obvious that you have never once read Mark's gospel.
g0vinda 4 years ago
Mark 1:9 And it came to pass in those days, that Jesus came from Nazareth of Galilee, and was baptized of John in Jordan.
g0vinda 4 years ago
Also, these guys were teaching everything about who Jesus was, what he did and that he was resurrected. You're argument entirely falls into pieces because if these men were lying, people would have rejected it and wrote about it! Yet early non-historical writings about Christ back up the story! Please, go back and read some of the things that I have asked you to read! Instead of being lazy and allowing your ignorance on the matter to get the best of you.
g0vinda 4 years ago
First, name one document that backs up the existence of christ. One.
Second, people lie. They do- do you believe that everyone who spoke about muhammed was not lieing becuase people wouldnt have beleived them? As you have ignored my point on this subject in a prior post and simply called me ignorant rather than adress it I'm going to end this. You are an extremely dishonest person.
NoahRobertMiller 4 years ago
This is a bullshit point and you know it, all you ahve to do is look at ANY other religion you do not agree with. If L. Ron Hubbard was lieing then peopel would reject it. So Scientology must be true. Are you a scientoligist as well?
NoahRobertMiller 4 years ago
I have to apologize on this point. I actualy was confusing PAUL with MARK. Not that it makes it any less damming becuase PAUL was much closer to the supposed time of jesus, he is the ONLY writing of jesus that exists between his death, and the 50 plus years later when MARK shows up. Still as, if not MORE Damning.
NoahRobertMiller 4 years ago
Paul doesn't put Christ on earth? about His Son, Jesus Christ our Lord, who was made of the seed of David according to the flesh,
(Rom 1:3) For I delivered to you first of all that which I also received, that Christ died for our sins, according to the Scriptures, and that He was buried, and that He rose again the third day according to the Scriptures;
(1Co 15:3-4)
g0vinda 4 years ago
THAT DOES NOT PLACE THE EVENTS AS OCCURING ON EARTH. To paul these things occured on a heavenly plain. You understand that at the time almost all literature, and definiatly all religious scripture was an ALLEGORY.
NoahRobertMiller 4 years ago
If you think that Paul's scripture is allegorical that is because you have not read it. Paul specifically wrote to Churches about the doctrines of Christ. Read his claims of apostleship. And those scriptures DO place the events on earth. According to the flesh is refering to our existance as humans. You can't make the words not say what they say.
g0vinda 4 years ago
To change the religion of Israel with its observance of the Mosaic law, Sabbath keeping, sacrifices, and clear-cut non-Trinitarian monotheism would be to risk the damnation of their own souls to hell. A modern atheist may not worry about such a thing, but members of the early church surely did.
g0vinda 4 years ago
That is special pleading. You realise what you've said right? Those that beleive in jesus wouldn't beleive in jesus if he was lieing.... kay....
This is rediculous. you love to move goalposts eh? You realises that some jews didn't beleive right? Hence we still ahve a jewish religion? Are they the exemption that proves the rule?
NoahRobertMiller 4 years ago
The Jewish religion that follows on with the writings of the law and the prophets is Christianity. The Jewish religion of the Rabbi's is not the religion of Moses. The Torah says that without sacrafices there is no forgiveness of sin and they haven't had a temple since 90ad. I'm not moving goal posts. I'm saying that there were eye witnesses around at the time that would have written about how Jesus didn't exist and didn't do the things that they said he did.
g0vinda 4 years ago
Something that they did do because they couldn't. The people were there and had seen Jesus and had heard him speak.
g0vinda 4 years ago
You don't write about how something doesn't exist. Christianity was a SMALL cult at the time jesus was supposed to have died. Apparently you think that the entire middle east was litterate at the time, or traveled all around.
And again other religions which you say are wrong have miracles and magic and all sorts of crap that should have a whole flood of writing about how it never happened and yet, wow they don't, so why arn't you accepting muhammed?
NoahRobertMiller 4 years ago
How was it that this statement by Paul is allegory? and that He was buried, and that He rose again the third day according to the Scriptures; and that He was seen by Cephas, then by the Twelve. Afterward He was seen by over five hundred brothers at once, of whom the greater part remain until this present day, but also some fell asleep. Afterward He was seen by James, then by all the apostles. And last of all He was seen by me also, as one born out of time.
(1Co 15:4-8)
g0vinda 4 years ago
The Koran doesn't have near the historical evidence that the 66 books of the Bible do and on top of that, Muhammed didn't have an entire book written about him, which Christ did.
g0vinda 4 years ago
Christianity was a small cult at the time eh? I like how you claim that we can't know anything about Jesus but you can know the size of Christianity at the time. You're contradicting yourself and it's very convieniant to use that bit of anti-knowledge for your argument. Christianity was sweeping the Jewish world! There were hearings in the Sanhedrin! Christ had just been delivered to the head Roman in charge! Yea, it was a small event.
g0vinda 4 years ago
Then those who gladly received his word were baptized. And the same day there were added about three thousand souls.
(Act 2:41)
You know, it was just this small little thing where thousands of people were being converted. These same thousands of people that had seen Jesus for themselves. Strang how the desciples were able to, "hypontize," these people into believing in things that they would have know first hand were not true.
g0vinda 4 years ago
Yeah.. I'm sure the figures after all this time are correct.. especially in those times when people just blatently lied..
For all we know it could have been 10 people..
brucemcgoose 4 years ago
That is not a contradiction we DO know much about early christianity and NOTHING about Jesus aside from the bible's acount.
NoahRobertMiller 4 years ago
Written about him before he was born is what I meant to say.
g0vinda 4 years ago
Because Muhammed never claimed to be the son of a god
brucemcgoose 4 years ago
Really that's what it said April 6th? Even when hte date system then had fewer months and years took place in the form of seasons? (Hence certain characters living to 600) And even if it did date it to that point you still have the problem that the actual "death" of jesus doesnt have a specific date.
NoahRobertMiller 4 years ago
Yea, isn't it crazy that Daniel was able to nail the exact day? Maybe it's because all of this information that you have about years taking place in the form of seasons is unfounded? Here's a riddle for you, Methuselah is the listed as the oldest person in the Bible but he died before his father. How is this possible? Let me guess, you're going to insult me instead of looking this up?
g0vinda 4 years ago
No he was not able to nail the exact day. We don't KNOW the exact day. Just becuase it says its the exact day doesnt make it so. Your "faith" is makeing you take the bible at face value.
Did you also know that Methuselah somehow contradicts god with his age? Nice so god is a liar about the cap he put on peoples ages.
NoahRobertMiller 4 years ago
He put the cap on the ages after Methuselah. Please, read it for yourself. Methuselah's name meant his death shall bring. With the death of Methuselah, the flood would come. He was the oldest man listed in the Bible, showing God's great patience and mercy
g0vinda 4 years ago
So he had to correct a mistake, by placeing a cap on ages afterward? Guess he's not all knowing.
NoahRobertMiller 4 years ago
Look into it for yourself. Search the 70 weeks of Daniel, find out what they are.
g0vinda 4 years ago
It's absolutley not unfounded. If you believe that men can live to 187 in a time when evidence shows us the average lifespan to be in the 30's
NoahRobertMiller 4 years ago
There are many things that could occur to make me accept Jesus, not only historicly but as a being that actualy paranormal, but those things require EVIDENCE. Conversely I doubt any evidence could convince you there is no God or Jesus, as there is always the back door to self imposed ignorance that you call faith.
NoahRobertMiller 4 years ago
and this is stated in clear text in the bible ... or is this some "bible code" someone came up with.
Anyone could take any book and come up with some code to produce accurate prophecy after the fact. show me detailed info about the space shuttle(ie size description purpose dates , etc) written in plain text then perhaps you will have something.
memoryofakiss 4 years ago
Yes and is not the atheist who thinks he knows all. What about that piece of information that you do know, what if god is hiding behind that piece of info. To say your an aeithist says you know everything.
So you in essence are commentating on 30 secs of part of a larger presentation. So you base this on the one statement.
The earth is a closed loop system Life had to be added upon it
demikaiser 3 years ago
'God who gave us life gave us liberty. And can the liberties of a nation be thought secure when we have removed their only firm basis, a conviction in the minds of the people, that these liberties are a gift from God? That they are not to be violated but with His wrath? Indeed I tremble for my country when I reflect that God is just, and his justice cannot sleep forever.' -Thomas Jefferson, 1781
sicstyl 4 years ago
Jefferson was a deist you moron.
Biographer Merrill Peterson summarizes Jefferson's theology:
"First, that the Christianity of the churches was unreasonable, therefore unbelievable, but that stripped of priestly mystery, ritual, and dogma, reinterpreted in the light of historical evidence and human experience, and substituting the Newtonian cosmology for the discredited Biblical one, Christianity could be conformed to reason.
IRONMANAustralia 4 years ago
Second, morality required no divine sanction or inspiration, no appeal beyond reason and nature, perhaps not even the hope of heaven or the fear of hell; and so the whole edifice of Christian revelation came tumbling to the ground."
IRONMANAustralia 4 years ago
Wrong. You evolutionists have everything misunderstood. 'Good' and 'evil' are simplified adjectives that describe acting like a human being the way God intended vs. acting like an instinct driven animal. Moral behavior was not given to us to inhibit us. It is there to prevent us from literally killing ourselves. Greed can kill you. Lust can kill you. The Ten Commandments are there to steer us away from that which can literally destroy us.
sicstyl 4 years ago
Those weren't Jefferson's words now were they?
sicstyl 4 years ago
You are funny you know that ?.. Abiogenesis (not evolution) does not state that the first reproducing cells came from peanutbutter. Evolution doesnt state that either, actually, evolution has nothing to do with this.
Zucadragon 4 years ago
A rebuttal? The man hasn't taken a sensible position. Why rebut something patently and obviously wrong. If someone says "the Ozark mountains are made of Hershey's Chocolate" there is no real "intelligent" rebuttal other than "are you kidding?". This guy's peanut butter analogy is so ludicrous as to not really be deserving of much more than ridicule. To think that a grown man walks among us with such a medieval view of the world is just spooky.
crasster 4 years ago
The guy tried to dispove a theory he didn't understand at all by opening a jar of peanut butter! Not only is that a Strawman, it doesn't even bare the slightest resemblance to Abiogenesis.
dechha1981 4 years ago
I hate that guy, what a moron!!
redhotrebel 4 years ago