To bad Hitch spent most of his life soft on the same central planning which leads to a North Korea. Then he blames religion? He's a leftist. The Leftist's religion IS the state.
John Fund once spoke about a trip to East Germany. He had encountered a few teenage girls, and in conversation he asked what they want to be when they grow up. One replied, "It doesn't matter what we become when we grow up. They will always treat us like children." For some reason, this bit of memory popped in my head when Hitch spoke about the absence of private life in N Korea. The sad thing is that Western children have more privacy than Communist subjects.
@yxrcbszg If only Christopher had lived 2 days longer at least, I'm sure he would have been relieved to hear the news of the Tyrant Kim Jong Ils death and died with at least some reprieve.
@LordMalice6d9 Yes, but in the beginning of 2011 he had an interview where he said he never thought Bin Laden would be killed or captured... and then 5 months later it happened. So I think in his final days he enjoyed certain bad figures meeting their demise.
@Jallandhara yea omg it's so spooky. come to think of it we have never seen hitchens and kim-jon-il together... coincidence? and when hitch got sick so did kim then they both dies... suspicious...
@Jallandhara Because of all the (justified) criticism against God Hitchens was given a wish. Ok, start by removing the tyrant of NK Hitch said. - Thou wish shall be granted. - Anything else? - Sure...
"You won’t believe what happened to me today! You just won’t believe it!” And when you asked him, he would say, “Absolutely nothing!”. Each and everyday many events of utterly no significance transpire and we ignore them, but then if something strange happens---we dream someone breaks their leg, and the next day we go skiing with them and they do ---then all bets are off. It is hard to accept that it might be just a coincidence. -Richard Feynman and Lawrence Krauss.
I actually kind of want to visit North Korea. I find it strangely interesting. Maybe it would allow me to appreciate my country and my privileges a little more.
North korea has 250,000 people living in concentration camps that are about the same standard as the ones that were present in nazi germany. Just spreading awareness.
i wish the stupid fucking european and american commie wannabes watch this video and stfu about how america has brainwashed south korea and turned it into an imperial colony. man i hate commie wannabes...lowest level of scum on the planet
@MarcusTheReverent Every country that doesn't wish to be invaded by Western corporate interests has or had ought to have nuclear weapons. It's a fact of life in this world, and US aggression is largely the responsible party for it. the DPRK is not stupid, they're not going to use their nuclear weapons, they don't even have the rocket technology to fire them at us.
It's called humor. People are able to simultaneously realize the horror of a situation, and laugh at jokes about it under certain conditions (current distance from the events, not at the expense of the victims etc.)
The audience laughs, Hitchens does his quips. So if anything, he's just as guilty.
Hitchens just chagrined his biggest fans (religion-hating atheists) in correctly identifying NK as the most religious society on earth...
The excesses that seem to be compulsory with atheistic regimes is damning evidence that atheism is no solution to humanitarian outrages, authoritarianism, and even religious fanaticism. Atheistic positivism is just more Utopian fantasy. Given that Atheist Europe is already giving way to barbarians, it seems to be much less practical than the worst of religions
Sorry, no. Just no. Saudi Arabia and Iran represent something you'd call "a state under the worst of religions", and hey, that seems very desirable to have isn't it.
Please quit spewing your bullshit propaganda.
OBVIOUSLY, North Korea is a "religious state". That's why it's NOT an atheistic state... one Hitchens and the atheists would rather have! Are you really this fucking dense?
To be more precise, the new atheists and basically rational people...
... aren't advocating "atheistic states", and they certainly don't advocate atheistic FUCKING REGIMES. They advocate a SECULAR state with freedom of and from religion, democracy and freedom of speech and all that jazz.
So any fanatical TOTALITARIAN REGIME, be it Stalin, Allah or Kim Jung, is a NEGATIVE example.
And hey, if you think values such as freedom and democracy will rather lead to totalitarian regimes than religion, then dream on, dream on.
I may have disagreements with Christopher's ideas from time to time, but when it comes to issues such as North Korea, he's basically spot-on and impeccably precise. You rock!
@TomthatiscalledTom Really? How did you get in? I'm from the US and interested in visiting the country, though I know that gaining admission to the DPRK is a hard, if not impossible, process.
@writersblock26 It depends on the international situation at the time, whether or not they want foreign revenue (and will tolerate tourists) or are feeling confrontational and aggressive...2012 will be the 100th anniversary of the birth of Kim il-Sung so I think they will be having parades, shows, festivals etc. and they will want outsiders to see them. They sometimes allow US nationals into the DPRK (it;s a bit easier for us Europeans) but there are a lot of forms to be filled in.
@writersblock26 Also they will want to know what your occupation is...journalists and media people are banned outright unless they have invites (never given) and so would anyone who does any work for the US military, government. Write to one of their embassies is a good idea
I hate Christipher Hitchens, he's an elitist capitalist cunt. I say that as an atheist, but also an anarchist. What kind of moron could defend the Iraq war?
@Valkyriefury To be fair, once we invaded Iraq, colonel Gadaffi handed all his nuclear armaments and plans over th the UN. No that the revolution in Libya is happening, imagine how much of a bigger threat the colonel would have been if he still was working on those projects. Also, although we didn't find any WMD's Saddam made a mockery of the UN and wouldn't let its inspectors investigate areas or possibilities that he had WMD's. Isn't it best that were secure in the knowledge that...
@Valkyriefury he didn't have a nuclear stockpile rather than second guessing. Also, I will add his reigime and geonocide's cost thousands of lives, and he was torturing iraqi civillians, he had to pay for his crimes. Also, I will add, what's wrong with controlled capitalism? Many people and countries have flourished under it, it's a more revolutionary idea that communism.
@grobo11 Controlled capitalism? That requires a government powerful enough to control businesses, and yet decentralized enough to continue to serve the interests of the people and not the rich. Anyone who talks about controlled capitalism is talking about a government which serves corporations. So it's more of a controlled democracy.
It looks like part of a definition of fascism written by Mussolini or his editor Giovanni Gentile for the "La Dottrina del Fascismo" (1932). Unfortunately I cannot find a reliable online source for you one cannot be 100% certain...
There's a link in Italian, but I dont know italian... But still it's true as in corporate interests trump those of the republic, democracy, people, what have you...
Oh its very simple to solve, china could cut off all aid (As they have promised to do when Kim kicks the bucket.)
Thats 90% of their food source gone in a day, as well as 100% of their ammunition supply.
North korea functions based on the people being CLOSE to starvation every day to keep them happy for what little they get, if they get absolutely nothing, shit will fly.
Then you'll have a panicked coup and they'll turn into a "Normal" dictatorship, which is slightly better.
I'm hoping to go there soon, hopefully next year. Having done some basic research I can say that it isn't cheap; it's roughly 2000 Euro's for 5 days. Given the escalated situation between N.K and S.K I'm not sure whether that'd make the trip that bit more interesting or whether it's a kamikaze holiday. If anyone has been there can you tell me if it's ACTUALLY worth it?
My father's been there in the 90s when Yugoslavia had an embassy there so it was easier for us to go there. He said that he has never seen anything remotely like it. It's definitely worth it. There's a documentary about a guy going there and actually filming there called The Vice Guide to North Korea, you should watch it before you go.
@jesal21 I can't tell you if it's worth it, but please consider if it's morally defensible. It's like attending a concentration-camp sight-seeing tour. Sure, you get to see the camp, but...
Religious people love to point to North Korea as the epitome of a secular nation gone wrong. In reality, North Korea bears greater resemblance to a theocratic cult state than any secular nations. The United States, South Korea, Japan, Canada, Britain, France, Sweden, etc. are secular nations. N. Korea is a necromantic cult nation based on the worship of a dead tyrant and his nutjob son.
@gneisenau321 I just told you Kim Jong and Kim Il ARE God to them they do believe in God. As to the Judeo-Christian God I highly doubt they know about christianity. They are mostly told that they are the perfect race and there exist other races, cultures, religions that are not theirs and are therefore evil or imperfect. Have an alternative opinion? Enjoy death/prison.
That probably is the end of their multi-cultural understanding. You have to be aware of a concept before you can reject it.
@gneisenau321 plus if you put all of your faith in God and none in human beings you're a Deist not a Theist.. You have to have faith in your religious leaders and people who wrote and assembled the Bible. (people last time I checked dead people... but then again so is Kim Il-Sung)
"if you put all of your faith in God and none in human beings you're a Deist not a Theist"?
Not really. Deist means believing that God does not intervene. I'm not a deist.
"You have to have faith in your religious leaders and people who wrote and assembled the Bible."?
Not necessarily. The Holy Spirit worked through people to assemble the Bible. The Bible was not any idea of man like the theory of Evolution or Communism was.
@gneisenau321 did God tell you that? Did the Holy Spirit tell you that? Probably not. Therefore you are putting your faith in religious readers people who wrote/assembled the bible. Your only source of information is other people.
@gneisenau321 The definition of atheism is the rejection in the belief in gods/deities. They think the dear leader is a god. Kim Il Sung has been dead for 17 years and he is still the "Eternal President". Remind me how this is atheism? If anything it looks just like State-Theism.
@animan360 That's because all worship and praise is reserved for "the great leader" and his son. North Koreans attribute miracles to both father and son and maintain that they are divine. Sounds more religious than secular to me.
@animan360 Secularism is the concept that government or other entities should exist separately from religion and/or religious beliefs.
Not allowing religion is going farther than just secularism. It's secular because religion doesn't play a part in government. It's abusive of freedom of opinion. Furthermore, Hitches is making the point that it has no religion because their political ideology is basically a religion itself, with the leaders being gods. They just don't use that terminology.
@sirpickles sky news has always been dogshit as has e.g. Fox etc. So who passed away 2 months ago, Kim Jong ill? (no Freudian slip there btw. but deliberate)
At first I thought Hitchens was exaggerating slightly with his 'most religious state' comment... but after watching several documentaries and such about the country... he is absolutely spot on.
GOD BE WITH NORTH KOREA! PRAYING FOR THE NORTH KOREAN GOVERMENT TO COME TO HIS SENSES AND TO ACCEPT FORIEGNERS AND HELP THE POOR WHO ARE GOING THROUGH ROUGH TIMES. IM PRAYING FOR THE LOCAL PEOPLE ITS NOT THERE FAULT THEY ARE MADE TO WORSHIP SOMEONE THAT IS JUST A PERSON AND WILL BE A PERSON!!
You make fun of North Korea however the joke is on you, the western world is the reason North Korea is so poor. If the Amarcans would just go home Korea could be one united country. This film was like a foot ball player betting up a cripple kid. Yes if the world will not trade with you for 15 years you and your citizens will be poor and starve, but stop hitting them when they are down you bastard!!
@41spencer Do you know ANYTHING about Korean history? Kim Il-Sung INVADED the south and started the Korean war. After Pyongyang and Seoul had traded hands several times and China had sent troops to reinforce the North when it was nearly beaten a stalemate began that still lasts to this day. North Korea has an appaling human rights record, sending entire families to brutal concentration camps because one relative comitted a crime and you blame others for the state that country is in? Total idiot.
What if the Chinese don't back him? I've been following the various talks and they've been gradually losing patience with him, along with Russia. They have no desire to see a swarm of refugees crossing the border, right?
That poor parrot's mind will be forever damaged. Even if it is freed and comes to the West, it would probably head straight to the progressives so that it could be with all the other parrots.
You are as accurate as a laser beam. If only those progressive parrots didn't want to put us (those who would rather fly by the power of our own wings) in socialist cages too.
No he really did it. He's god after all, don't you know. The other seven holes were birdies, but he did those blindfolding while shooting flames out of his arse.
@Jrivera0201 then that's what he should have concentrated on and not lead a country into famin and a life of hell. This, it seems, is what happens when Golfers become dictators perhaps.
@Jrivera0201 I love that "fact" about him! lol its so random! may aswel have bragged about his paintball or pacman skills! why golf? is that a godly sport?
Dude I'm a socialist but who in their RIGHT MIND WOULD DEFEND NORTH KOREA?!?!?! It's a fucking totallitarian state with no freedom! I'm not sure if any country is worst than it, maybe Burma.
Hitchens would do to read more Engels and he'd know Leader worship was explicit and inevitable. Georges Sorel made a strong case for this and Mussolini and Hitler ran with it. Not to mention Lenin, Mao, Stalin, Castro...
This too is a fact. If you are comfortable turning your life over to a human governent for final determination of treatment you receive and feel all other should too, you support tyranny.
I believe you, Christopher. There is no such thing as free health care. Everything on this planet requiring the work of people and material resources costs mony. Follow the money and compare the quality. If you want heath care to be free, move to North Korea. It's quality and delivery will be rationed to you according to how Kim Jong Il determines your needs because you will work for him & he will take what you contribute to his treasury from your work and perhaps pay for the care (or not).
And btw, there is no free health care in North Korea. There is no health care in North Korea, only for high party officials, the small elite. People are drinking from sewers and eating rats to survive. Shame on you for suggesting the US is in any way as bad as NK.
North Korea ranks at the bottom of health categories like life expectancy, nutrition, preventable death...
The health care you are talking about is not accessible to the vast majority of NK's citizens and is vastly inferior to any western nation - even the U.S.
Even if it were exceptional health care that wouldn't excuse NK's prison state and it's crimes against humanity.
Lets say we move in and destroy the communist party that rules Korea... Those poor souls of the malnourished and ill taught citizens will already be lost to anything we tried, it'd be like any other country we've tried to change the ideals of... Only in time could North Korea heal...it's got a long way to go.
Yes, how dare he put reason above superstition. Perhaps, we should just execute him. Personally, I prefer the liberty for each of us to believe in whatever we choose For me, though I do not approve of some of his leftist leanings, there is plenty of room for him in America.
What is the pin he is wearing?
VirtuosicElevator 2 weeks ago
@VirtuosicElevator The flag of Kurdistan, I think.
DariusBlue 1 week ago
@DariusBlue yep, looks like it
VirtuosicElevator 1 week ago
@DariusBlue It's the Kurdish flag. Hitchens wore it in solidarity with the Kurds.
rocknrollguru23 1 week ago
@VirtuosicElevator The Kurdish flag. He wore it in solidarity with the Kurdish people and their struggles in the middle east.
rocknrollguru23 1 week ago
Ron Paul 2012!
cahivx 3 weeks ago
@cahivx
Ron is a theocrat, no thanks.
EikC 1 day ago
I don't doubt the story about the parrot one bit. It probably heard that line all the time and just learned to mimic it.
OneEyedJack1970 1 month ago
worst place on earth...
ALEXTASY123 1 month ago
To bad Hitch spent most of his life soft on the same central planning which leads to a North Korea. Then he blames religion? He's a leftist. The Leftist's religion IS the state.
tomthefunky 1 month ago
dont worry. north koreans are not religious. they just have guns pointing at their heads
Szekler11 1 month ago
John Fund once spoke about a trip to East Germany. He had encountered a few teenage girls, and in conversation he asked what they want to be when they grow up. One replied, "It doesn't matter what we become when we grow up. They will always treat us like children." For some reason, this bit of memory popped in my head when Hitch spoke about the absence of private life in N Korea. The sad thing is that Western children have more privacy than Communist subjects.
Trelane574 2 months ago
north koreans will be wearing 2 pins now
Versohnung 2 months ago
This is what Obama Bush wants for America... and will succeed in getting, very shortly.
TheLogicJunkie 2 months ago
@TheLogicJunkie
I think you're looking for a Ron Paul video page.
shatwood 2 months ago
Such irony, and so close to Christmas. A poetic demise you could say.
stixveld 2 months ago
@stixveld : Wrong. Try again.
Nemesis861965 2 months ago
@J450,
Not a problem.
atalanta44 2 months ago
Its sad that Christopher wasn't able to see Kim jong-ll death
They died a day apart
yxrcbszg 2 months ago 3
@yxrcbszg If only Christopher had lived 2 days longer at least, I'm sure he would have been relieved to hear the news of the Tyrant Kim Jong Ils death and died with at least some reprieve.
LordMalice6d9 2 months ago
@LordMalice6d9 Yes, but in the beginning of 2011 he had an interview where he said he never thought Bin Laden would be killed or captured... and then 5 months later it happened. So I think in his final days he enjoyed certain bad figures meeting their demise.
bronzeknight2011 2 months ago
We should kill them off, take their land, and go there for vacation. That's the American way.
Drummer1981 2 months ago
Dumpert!
WrathChild006 2 months ago
@TheCentristFiasco They have a god that they worship, their eternal leader, the eternal president, that IS a theocracy by definition.
nontrainspotter 2 months ago
@TheCentristFiasco
You obviously don't get the point.
J450 2 months ago
This has been flagged as spam show
Thats sick....
Ben19905141 2 months ago
This has been flagged as spam show
Hitch, if only you survived another week. You would have went out laughing.
DaveScott69 2 months ago
Comment removed
DaveScott69 2 months ago
@centristfiasco,
What he means is that NK is theocratic because their leader is their God. They worship their leader.
atalanta44 2 months ago 4
@atalanta44
Thanks for clearing that up for him, I was going to ask for him to find out for himself.
J450 2 months ago
What's the music in the beginning?
ZombieLincoln666 2 months ago
Hitchens was a god and upon his death, he is now pulling the unjust off Earth. Henry Paulson might be next.
wojovox 2 months ago
@wojovox I'd think Hitchens would punch you for that comment ;)
Afneitun 2 months ago
@wojovox Directed by M. Night Shyamalan
TheAmazingTwist 2 months ago
@wojovox that is offensive, considered Hitchens was an antitheist
mangethegamer 2 months ago
Is that a Pin with the Kurdish Flag on it, sticking in his Jacket?
ErDeM858 2 months ago
@ErDeM858 yup
darkerforest 2 months ago
Damn!
mouthyweasel 2 months ago
Kim Jong Il had a fatal heart attack dancing a celebratory jig on hearing of Hitch's death
TomthatiscalledTom 2 months ago
Who's article am I going to read about this now?!!!!
Hitch, You should be writing this guy's obituary.
nontrainspotter 2 months ago 68
@nontrainspotter It really took the shine off the happy news of that totalitarian toad's death that Hitch hadn't lived to see him go.
rcarass1 2 months ago 2
@nontrainspotter Considering the hits in the last few days, I'd say he certainly chimed in at the least.
proadmin1 2 months ago
@nontrainspotter Someone obviously didn't get the memo :/
Bluntboar 2 months ago
@nontrainspotter : He'd probably say that they finally have their trinity; the Father, the Son, and the Un. Hitchens will be missed.
Nemesis861965 2 months ago
What Hitchens probably said before he died:
"If I'm going to bloody well died I might as well take out the most religious son of a bitch with me".
FQBeast 2 months ago
@FQBeast lol
darkuser999 2 months ago
Both Hitch and Jong-il died within the same week. I have no idea what sort of emotion this is.
Beandude202 2 months ago
Perestroika now. No more expert golfing big brothers.
Hirnlego999 2 months ago
Kim Jong-Il looked at this.
kokota23 2 months ago
It's so weird how God (Kim Jong-Il) dies so shortly after Hitchens.
Jallandhara 2 months ago 85
@Jallandhara Maybe God let Hitchens pick the third one.
sybilll 2 months ago
@Jallandhara yea omg it's so spooky. come to think of it we have never seen hitchens and kim-jon-il together... coincidence? and when hitch got sick so did kim then they both dies... suspicious...
tonybeir 2 months ago
@Jallandhara Because of all the (justified) criticism against God Hitchens was given a wish. Ok, start by removing the tyrant of NK Hitch said. - Thou wish shall be granted. - Anything else? - Sure...
The ultimate goal is of course mutiny in heaven.
Hirnlego999 2 months ago
Comment removed
longhorntrvs 2 months ago
Comment removed
StargateMunky 2 months ago
@Jallandhara Yep, very weird.
controllerbrain 2 months ago
@Jallandhara
"You won’t believe what happened to me today! You just won’t believe it!” And when you asked him, he would say, “Absolutely nothing!”. Each and everyday many events of utterly no significance transpire and we ignore them, but then if something strange happens---we dream someone breaks their leg, and the next day we go skiing with them and they do ---then all bets are off. It is hard to accept that it might be just a coincidence. -Richard Feynman and Lawrence Krauss.
bsdwiz 2 months ago 2
The state of north korea makes me sick.
AeolisticFury 2 months ago
North Korean theocratic rule sort of reminds me of "The Allegory of the Cave" by Plato
Proverbs1533 3 months ago
I actually kind of want to visit North Korea. I find it strangely interesting. Maybe it would allow me to appreciate my country and my privileges a little more.
itskirstybetchx 3 months ago
North korea has 250,000 people living in concentration camps that are about the same standard as the ones that were present in nazi germany. Just spreading awareness.
flyawayhome3 3 months ago
i wish the stupid fucking european and american commie wannabes watch this video and stfu about how america has brainwashed south korea and turned it into an imperial colony. man i hate commie wannabes...lowest level of scum on the planet
fluffynoses 4 months ago
It's sad. Hitchens sometimes makes a good point but he is such an asshole you want to not listen to him
Skinnyoompalumpa 6 months ago
@Skinnyoompalumpa I suggest you take a very long look in the mirror.
TheFestivelights 6 months ago
why are they laughing this shit is scary north korea has nuclear weapons
MarcusTheReverent 7 months ago
@MarcusTheReverent Every country that doesn't wish to be invaded by Western corporate interests has or had ought to have nuclear weapons. It's a fact of life in this world, and US aggression is largely the responsible party for it. the DPRK is not stupid, they're not going to use their nuclear weapons, they don't even have the rocket technology to fire them at us.
truthslap 6 months ago
If u went to N.Korea u would know what it would be like to be a christian
MamaMario13 7 months ago
wow, listen to the smug bellends laughing at the suffering of millions of people
film4thefuture 7 months ago
@film4thefuture
It's called humor. People are able to simultaneously realize the horror of a situation, and laugh at jokes about it under certain conditions (current distance from the events, not at the expense of the victims etc.)
The audience laughs, Hitchens does his quips. So if anything, he's just as guilty.
twooffour 6 months ago
The Westminister Shorter Catechism says, based on several Bible verses, "What is the chief end of man? To glorify god and enjoy him forever."
Sounds like Kim Jong-il was influenced by that as well as 1984.
VengefulRonin 8 months ago
Hitchens just chagrined his biggest fans (religion-hating atheists) in correctly identifying NK as the most religious society on earth...
The excesses that seem to be compulsory with atheistic regimes is damning evidence that atheism is no solution to humanitarian outrages, authoritarianism, and even religious fanaticism. Atheistic positivism is just more Utopian fantasy. Given that Atheist Europe is already giving way to barbarians, it seems to be much less practical than the worst of religions
horsie111 8 months ago
@horsie111
Wow, you're an IDIOT.
Sorry, no. Just no. Saudi Arabia and Iran represent something you'd call "a state under the worst of religions", and hey, that seems very desirable to have isn't it.
Please quit spewing your bullshit propaganda.
OBVIOUSLY, North Korea is a "religious state". That's why it's NOT an atheistic state... one Hitchens and the atheists would rather have! Are you really this fucking dense?
To be more precise, the new atheists and basically rational people...
twooffour 6 months ago
@horsie111
... aren't advocating "atheistic states", and they certainly don't advocate atheistic FUCKING REGIMES. They advocate a SECULAR state with freedom of and from religion, democracy and freedom of speech and all that jazz.
So any fanatical TOTALITARIAN REGIME, be it Stalin, Allah or Kim Jung, is a NEGATIVE example.
And hey, if you think values such as freedom and democracy will rather lead to totalitarian regimes than religion, then dream on, dream on.
twooffour 6 months ago
Thank you for posting this, LibertyPen.
writersblock26 8 months ago
I may have disagreements with Christopher's ideas from time to time, but when it comes to issues such as North Korea, he's basically spot-on and impeccably precise. You rock!
TheResilient5689 8 months ago
I've been to North Korea and it's as bad as he says
TomthatiscalledTom 8 months ago
@TomthatiscalledTom Really? How did you get in? I'm from the US and interested in visiting the country, though I know that gaining admission to the DPRK is a hard, if not impossible, process.
writersblock26 8 months ago
@writersblock26 It depends on the international situation at the time, whether or not they want foreign revenue (and will tolerate tourists) or are feeling confrontational and aggressive...2012 will be the 100th anniversary of the birth of Kim il-Sung so I think they will be having parades, shows, festivals etc. and they will want outsiders to see them. They sometimes allow US nationals into the DPRK (it;s a bit easier for us Europeans) but there are a lot of forms to be filled in.
TomthatiscalledTom 8 months ago
@writersblock26 Also they will want to know what your occupation is...journalists and media people are banned outright unless they have invites (never given) and so would anyone who does any work for the US military, government. Write to one of their embassies is a good idea
TomthatiscalledTom 8 months ago
I hate Christipher Hitchens, he's an elitist capitalist cunt. I say that as an atheist, but also an anarchist. What kind of moron could defend the Iraq war?
Valkyriefury 9 months ago
@Valkyriefury To be fair, once we invaded Iraq, colonel Gadaffi handed all his nuclear armaments and plans over th the UN. No that the revolution in Libya is happening, imagine how much of a bigger threat the colonel would have been if he still was working on those projects. Also, although we didn't find any WMD's Saddam made a mockery of the UN and wouldn't let its inspectors investigate areas or possibilities that he had WMD's. Isn't it best that were secure in the knowledge that...
grobo11 9 months ago
This comment has received too many negative votes show
Man. this guy is just a pure idiot.
And there are people listening to this idiot.
North Koreans have something called life while u guys always fancy about things you dont know and mumble about it all day.
dongsoola 9 months ago
@dongsoola Have you even been to North Korea?
grobo11 9 months ago 2
@grobo11 I'd say from his comment that he's Kim Jong Il himself
Valkyriefury 9 months ago
@Valkyriefury he didn't have a nuclear stockpile rather than second guessing. Also, I will add his reigime and geonocide's cost thousands of lives, and he was torturing iraqi civillians, he had to pay for his crimes. Also, I will add, what's wrong with controlled capitalism? Many people and countries have flourished under it, it's a more revolutionary idea that communism.
grobo11 9 months ago
@grobo11 Controlled capitalism? That requires a government powerful enough to control businesses, and yet decentralized enough to continue to serve the interests of the people and not the rich. Anyone who talks about controlled capitalism is talking about a government which serves corporations. So it's more of a controlled democracy.
Valkyriefury 9 months ago
@Valkyriefury
“Fascism should more appropriately be called Corporatism because it is a merger of state and corporate power” - Benito Mussolini
WoodlandRavah 8 months ago
@WoodlandRavah When and where did Mussolini say that?
writersblock26 8 months ago
@writersblock26
It looks like part of a definition of fascism written by Mussolini or his editor Giovanni Gentile for the "La Dottrina del Fascismo" (1932). Unfortunately I cannot find a reliable online source for you one cannot be 100% certain...
There's a link in Italian, but I dont know italian... But still it's true as in corporate interests trump those of the republic, democracy, people, what have you...
WoodlandRavah 8 months ago
@dongsoola
["North Koreans have something called life..."]
A "life" you clearly envy...
WoodlandRavah 8 months ago
So, to paraphrase Mr. Hitchens, fuck the North Korean Worker's Party.
JLDoggard 9 months ago
"I'm not going to say it"
fucking hilarious, I knew what he was talking about instantly
georgek19 10 months ago 3
@NoFuturePete
Oh its very simple to solve, china could cut off all aid (As they have promised to do when Kim kicks the bucket.)
Thats 90% of their food source gone in a day, as well as 100% of their ammunition supply.
North korea functions based on the people being CLOSE to starvation every day to keep them happy for what little they get, if they get absolutely nothing, shit will fly.
Then you'll have a panicked coup and they'll turn into a "Normal" dictatorship, which is slightly better.
sketchydc 1 year ago
This has been flagged as spam show
Jesus christ love you all!
bass109 1 year ago
What a bizarre regime.
socialbreak 1 year ago
'all television, operas etc. are about the dear leader, there's nothing else to talk about'
i think there's something wrong there.
iAndyi 1 year ago
The North Korean state was founded in 1948. Not the 1950/51 stated by Hitchens.
omsct 1 year ago
I'm hoping to go there soon, hopefully next year. Having done some basic research I can say that it isn't cheap; it's roughly 2000 Euro's for 5 days. Given the escalated situation between N.K and S.K I'm not sure whether that'd make the trip that bit more interesting or whether it's a kamikaze holiday. If anyone has been there can you tell me if it's ACTUALLY worth it?
jesal21 1 year ago
@jesal21
My father's been there in the 90s when Yugoslavia had an embassy there so it was easier for us to go there. He said that he has never seen anything remotely like it. It's definitely worth it. There's a documentary about a guy going there and actually filming there called The Vice Guide to North Korea, you should watch it before you go.
raldakejla 1 year ago
@jesal21 I can't tell you if it's worth it, but please consider if it's morally defensible. It's like attending a concentration-camp sight-seeing tour. Sure, you get to see the camp, but...
EikC 1 year ago
Religious people love to point to North Korea as the epitome of a secular nation gone wrong. In reality, North Korea bears greater resemblance to a theocratic cult state than any secular nations. The United States, South Korea, Japan, Canada, Britain, France, Sweden, etc. are secular nations. N. Korea is a necromantic cult nation based on the worship of a dead tyrant and his nutjob son.
TheGreaterGood80 1 year ago 33
@TheGreaterGood80 There is currently only one completely Theocractic country on earth at this time and thats the Islamic Republic of Iran.
LordMalice6d9 1 year ago
@LordMalice6d9 I think Saudi Arabia is worse
Pancakesover9000 9 months ago
@TheGreaterGood80
More like State-Atheism gone wrong. Anti-theism is the problem not theism.
gneisenau321 3 months ago
Comment removed
BitChronic 3 months ago
@BitChronic
- So what? They still don't believe in God. They still persecute people of other religions. Anti-theists can be as intolerant as religious people.
- They put their faith in the opinions of another human being.
- Just like how atheists like you are putting your faith in the experts. Not much different from religion actually.
- You can try to reject God all you want, but at the end of the day, you will always want to find someone or something to call your idol.
gneisenau321 3 months ago
@gneisenau321 I just told you Kim Jong and Kim Il ARE God to them they do believe in God. As to the Judeo-Christian God I highly doubt they know about christianity. They are mostly told that they are the perfect race and there exist other races, cultures, religions that are not theirs and are therefore evil or imperfect. Have an alternative opinion? Enjoy death/prison.
That probably is the end of their multi-cultural understanding. You have to be aware of a concept before you can reject it.
BitChronic 3 months ago
@gneisenau321 plus if you put all of your faith in God and none in human beings you're a Deist not a Theist.. You have to have faith in your religious leaders and people who wrote and assembled the Bible. (people last time I checked dead people... but then again so is Kim Il-Sung)
BitChronic 3 months ago
@BitChronic
"if you put all of your faith in God and none in human beings you're a Deist not a Theist"?
Not really. Deist means believing that God does not intervene. I'm not a deist.
"You have to have faith in your religious leaders and people who wrote and assembled the Bible."?
Not necessarily. The Holy Spirit worked through people to assemble the Bible. The Bible was not any idea of man like the theory of Evolution or Communism was.
gneisenau321 3 months ago
@gneisenau321 did God tell you that? Did the Holy Spirit tell you that? Probably not. Therefore you are putting your faith in religious readers people who wrote/assembled the bible. Your only source of information is other people.
BitChronic 3 months ago
This has been flagged as spam show
@BitChronic
"did God tell you that? Did the Holy Spirit tell you that?"?
Kind of.
"Your only source of information is other people."?
If that were the case, I'd be Atheist like you.
gneisenau321 3 months ago
This has been flagged as spam show
@gneisenau321 The definition of atheism is the rejection in the belief in gods/deities. They think the dear leader is a god. Kim Il Sung has been dead for 17 years and he is still the "Eternal President". Remind me how this is atheism? If anything it looks just like State-Theism.
BitChronic 3 months ago
@gneisenau321 nope, you're wrong. Sorry
TheGreaterGood80 3 months ago
This has been flagged as spam show
@TheGreaterGood80
Quit being a troll. I could just as easily say that you are the one who is wrong.
gneisenau321 3 months ago
This is one of the most alarming vids on youtube.
thekswervedirt 1 year ago
North Korea is a secular government. No religion is allowed, on pain of death.
animan360 1 year ago
@animan360 That's because all worship and praise is reserved for "the great leader" and his son. North Koreans attribute miracles to both father and son and maintain that they are divine. Sounds more religious than secular to me.
kingsalmonsteak 1 year ago
@animan360
They also don't have an immigration "problem." No one is taking their jerbs.
Gettinghitonattheban 1 year ago
@animan360 Secularism is the concept that government or other entities should exist separately from religion and/or religious beliefs.
Not allowing religion is going farther than just secularism. It's secular because religion doesn't play a part in government. It's abusive of freedom of opinion. Furthermore, Hitches is making the point that it has no religion because their political ideology is basically a religion itself, with the leaders being gods. They just don't use that terminology.
pyVlad 1 year ago
sky news have just said he passsed away this morn. is.
sirpickles 1 year ago
@sirpickles sky news has always been dogshit as has e.g. Fox etc. So who passed away 2 months ago, Kim Jong ill? (no Freudian slip there btw. but deliberate)
trident3b 1 year ago
Isn't it more of a full Trinity?
Kim Il Sung = Father
Kim Jong Il = Son
Secret Police/"Minders" = Holy Spirit
Like the Holy Spirit, the Minders inform the dictator what people are doing, and "remind" us what to do.
CroqueMonsieur1989 1 year ago 2
At first I thought Hitchens was exaggerating slightly with his 'most religious state' comment... but after watching several documentaries and such about the country... he is absolutely spot on.
laffer35 1 year ago 35
if anyone is wondering where the intro music is from, its Ben B - Running Scared.
nader85021 1 year ago
@nader85021 Thanks! I was just about to ask.
sirmattbelios 5 months ago
GOD BE WITH NORTH KOREA! PRAYING FOR THE NORTH KOREAN GOVERMENT TO COME TO HIS SENSES AND TO ACCEPT FORIEGNERS AND HELP THE POOR WHO ARE GOING THROUGH ROUGH TIMES. IM PRAYING FOR THE LOCAL PEOPLE ITS NOT THERE FAULT THEY ARE MADE TO WORSHIP SOMEONE THAT IS JUST A PERSON AND WILL BE A PERSON!!
zaiabloom 1 year ago
You make fun of North Korea however the joke is on you, the western world is the reason North Korea is so poor. If the Amarcans would just go home Korea could be one united country. This film was like a foot ball player betting up a cripple kid. Yes if the world will not trade with you for 15 years you and your citizens will be poor and starve, but stop hitting them when they are down you bastard!!
41spencer 1 year ago
@41spencer Do you know ANYTHING about Korean history? Kim Il-Sung INVADED the south and started the Korean war. After Pyongyang and Seoul had traded hands several times and China had sent troops to reinforce the North when it was nearly beaten a stalemate began that still lasts to this day. North Korea has an appaling human rights record, sending entire families to brutal concentration camps because one relative comitted a crime and you blame others for the state that country is in? Total idiot.
elsparx 1 year ago
@41spencer
You are fucking insane! If you were able to convince anybody to your point of view, that is in itself a tragedy.
saper321 1 year ago
This has been flagged as spam show
@41spencer
You are a lunatic.
Thill029 1 year ago
Juche = holy ghost.
0nePumpChump 1 year ago
is hitchens crying here? it looks as if his eyes are wet.
litteraround 1 year ago
That's assuming Kim is sane right?
And whoever's rating down qbe9584, quit it. I'm having a nice conversation here, thanks!
Planetary0 1 year ago
What if the Chinese don't back him? I've been following the various talks and they've been gradually losing patience with him, along with Russia. They have no desire to see a swarm of refugees crossing the border, right?
Planetary0 1 year ago
Unless Kim himself decides to go out with a bang, right?
Planetary0 1 year ago
If only those north Koreans could experience football, big macs and coca cola, they'd be condemning their great leader overnight hahaha.
rekkapower 2 years ago
Of course, they have no oil, and an army that would actually fight. So no taking this guy down for a while....
He'll die in bed for sure, like Pol Pot, Franco, and Stalin did.
Planetary0 2 years ago
That poor parrot's mind will be forever damaged. Even if it is freed and comes to the West, it would probably head straight to the progressives so that it could be with all the other parrots.
FredericGeometry 2 years ago
You are as accurate as a laser beam. If only those progressive parrots didn't want to put us (those who would rather fly by the power of our own wings) in socialist cages too.
fzqlcs 2 years ago
Hey, that parrot metaphor really flies ;-)
FredericGeometry 2 years ago
Is that the Iranian flag pin?
SonOfCyrusTheGreat 2 years ago
Say what you want about Kim Il Sung, he's a great golfer. 11 holes in one in his first every match!
Jrivera0201 2 years ago 71
He's *almost* as good a golfer as Bill Clinton- when Slick Willie fills out his own scorecard.
kentamitchell 2 years ago
That match was rigged lol
SourcesAreEverything 2 years ago
No he really did it. He's god after all, don't you know. The other seven holes were birdies, but he did those blindfolding while shooting flames out of his arse.
Jrivera0201 2 years ago
@Jrivera0201 haha I was JUST gonna post about his golf record.
BRANSCOMBEx 1 year ago
@Jrivera0201 HAHAHHAHa,
patient0Studios 1 year ago
@Jrivera0201 Because his competitors would be executed if they defeated him.
DevoutSkeptic 1 year ago
@Jrivera0201 then that's what he should have concentrated on and not lead a country into famin and a life of hell. This, it seems, is what happens when Golfers become dictators perhaps.
trident3b 1 year ago
@Jrivera0201 I love that "fact" about him! lol its so random! may aswel have bragged about his paintball or pacman skills! why golf? is that a godly sport?
Auron710 1 year ago
@Jrivera0201
that's just propaganda from the capitalist devils, he actually got 13 holes in one. XD
kasrkinmullet 5 months ago
Dude I'm a socialist but who in their RIGHT MIND WOULD DEFEND NORTH KOREA?!?!?! It's a fucking totallitarian state with no freedom! I'm not sure if any country is worst than it, maybe Burma.
andyx1205 2 years ago 3
Hitchens would do to read more Engels and he'd know Leader worship was explicit and inevitable. Georges Sorel made a strong case for this and Mussolini and Hitler ran with it. Not to mention Lenin, Mao, Stalin, Castro...
You get the picture.
thomaserossi 2 years ago
"Atleast you can fucking die in north korea" lol I love hearing hitchens say that
AsG1989 2 years ago 6
This too is a fact. If you are comfortable turning your life over to a human governent for final determination of treatment you receive and feel all other should too, you support tyranny.
mrrepublican1234 2 years ago
I believe you, Christopher. There is no such thing as free health care. Everything on this planet requiring the work of people and material resources costs mony. Follow the money and compare the quality. If you want heath care to be free, move to North Korea. It's quality and delivery will be rationed to you according to how Kim Jong Il determines your needs because you will work for him & he will take what you contribute to his treasury from your work and perhaps pay for the care (or not).
mrrepublican1234 2 years ago
This comment has received too many negative votes show
In North Korean 100% have free medical care.
In US many die in cold bed without anyone care.
2 million prisoners in US.
These are facts.
dongsoola 2 years ago
North Korea free medieval degree health care
North Korea 23 million prisoners
asalade 2 years ago 7
@dongsoola
Where would you rather live lol..
And btw, there is no free health care in North Korea. There is no health care in North Korea, only for high party officials, the small elite. People are drinking from sewers and eating rats to survive. Shame on you for suggesting the US is in any way as bad as NK.
0906peter 2 years ago 7
North Korea ranks at the bottom of health categories like life expectancy, nutrition, preventable death...
The health care you are talking about is not accessible to the vast majority of NK's citizens and is vastly inferior to any western nation - even the U.S.
Even if it were exceptional health care that wouldn't excuse NK's prison state and it's crimes against humanity.
Pdids01 2 years ago 6
oh. get out from your dream.
Kim, Il Sung is the hero of Korean.
He is like John Connor in Terminator movie.
Without Kim, Il Sung there is NO north Korea.
dongsoola 2 years ago
Lets say we move in and destroy the communist party that rules Korea... Those poor souls of the malnourished and ill taught citizens will already be lost to anything we tried, it'd be like any other country we've tried to change the ideals of... Only in time could North Korea heal...it's got a long way to go.
AtheisticTranquility 2 years ago
No I like North Korea just as it is. It's kind of a living monument, for us to see what happens if you let a government take total control.
Food donations should be stopped though, it ruins the experiment.
asalade 2 years ago
@asalade
I know what you mean. I'd quite like to visit.
ElectricSexPants 2 years ago
I have no curiosity at all to visit that place
tourism supports the regime
asalade 2 years ago
@asalade
Agreed.
daithifleming 2 years ago
This comment has received too many negative votes show
North Korea should be paradise for Hitchens. After all, it's where his worldview - atheism - reigns supreme.
NoJeanNoMoney1 2 years ago
Yes, how dare he put reason above superstition. Perhaps, we should just execute him. Personally, I prefer the liberty for each of us to believe in whatever we choose For me, though I do not approve of some of his leftist leanings, there is plenty of room for him in America.
fzqlcs 2 years ago 4
@NoJeanNoMoney1
you can't be that dense
molliekaty 2 years ago 3