This aircraft was first designed in 1935, only 32 years after the Wright Bros got their first powered contraption into the air! To my mind it has made advances in that period every bit as radical as the same period to the fighter aircraft of 1972. He comes across as rather condescending, which is disappointing and demonstrates, to me at least, that pilot quality since 1940 has not evolved at the same pace.
PS You want to watch his contribution on the ME109!!
Ok, he says you would have the field of view directly in front of you blocked even more if you had a Griffon powered spit, he isnt confused with this being a merlin powered variant... second, he is comparing the plane with jets and basically saying compared to today this thing is shit, but in its day it was amazing. Edmundcycles, the P-47 was not MUCH better than a p-51... it was a better ground attack plane. No pilot would dogfight a P-51 vs a P-47 and take the thunderbolt. I am calling BS
The P-51 was ok at some things great in none. P47 was a much better fighter than the P51 . The typhoon was faster at low level and could turn and climb faster than the P51 . The tempest was faster , better turning , up to 15K than the P51.
The hurricane had a much better field of view . the hurricanes nose drooped a little more so you can see over it. The pilot sat much higher up in the hurricane too . It could be the MkII or I as these were test fitted with the B wing towards the end of the BoB , It's not a griffon spit as the engine has only small fairings over the exhaust stacks .
As a note the P51 wasn't that great a plane to fight in . It was slow rolling the turn rate was bad and turn radius was bigger than the P47
Now I'm totally confused. The narrator described it as a Mk 1 BofB veteran. TopGunSGA (below) describes it as a Mk 2 and Paul Day (the pilot) describes it as a GRIFFON Spitfire. The cannon bulges in the wing dismisses it as a Mk 1 or 2, so I'll go for the Griffon
And why the hell does this vintage military aircraft have a non-authentic coat of gloss paint? There's always someone determined to spoil things
@Poopingbotham What you see on the wing aren't cannon bulges (if you referring to the 2 strips you can see), they're strengthening plates that were added to the wings to help cushion the blow of landings on harder ground, they were first added to the Mk II. As for the Griffon part, the pilot was mearly pointing out that IF you were in a Griffon Spitfire there would be an extra 2 feet of nose compared to the earlier ones.
The BBMFs MkIIa P7350 is the only airwothy BOB Vet Spit in the world
In WWII when a German ace was asked by a German commander "What do we need to win the Battle of Britain?" he simply replied "A squadron of Spitfires." Fact.
Awesome plane.
As stated by Chruchill: "Never in the field of human conflict was so much been owed by so many to so few."
Why do you complain about the nose ? And how long it is, leave the spitfire alone, its beautiful ? One question i would love to ask this pilot, 'Where would YOU put the engine?'. Heres some paper, and a pen, go re design it if you think your soo special
@lennonmccartneybeat He sayd that all things bad couse of modern jetfighters view (pilot wiev) - that's all.. and (even i Love this plane to) he undfurtunatelly hes right about it.. Those machines had many bad solutions.. but in those ages they didn't know how to build good fighting planes.. only a beutyfull and good flying..:)
If you have flown a fighter in a close dogfight combat, you know that slightly distorted view fom lateralpanels, dosnt matter because they perfectly allow to watch enemy´s trajetory to anticipate their movements and stillput bullets ahead ( caal it deflection) sot that panels arenot theretodiscover an enemyplane from 2 miles away.Sit was definetly a XXI century figther in XX century age.So.. arrogant coments, hes clearly not authorized opinion on Mitchel´s masterpiece
Pilots like him annoy me... Just appreciate what the Spitfire is and stop complaining. Pilots back then were used to different cockpit configurations. If I was given a Spitfire right now I wouldn't complain one bit.
It was. It was just better performance wise than the German planes. A laminar flow wing (smaller surface area), a bubble canopy (like on some spits), maneuvering flaps (like on most other planes), and a bit more room in the cockpit would've done the spitty wonders. I basically said it needs to be a Mustang, lol
This aircraft was first designed in 1935, only 32 years after the Wright Bros got their first powered contraption into the air! To my mind it has made advances in that period every bit as radical as the same period to the fighter aircraft of 1972. He comes across as rather condescending, which is disappointing and demonstrates, to me at least, that pilot quality since 1940 has not evolved at the same pace.
PS You want to watch his contribution on the ME109!!
TheRunereaper 6 months ago
Ok, he says you would have the field of view directly in front of you blocked even more if you had a Griffon powered spit, he isnt confused with this being a merlin powered variant... second, he is comparing the plane with jets and basically saying compared to today this thing is shit, but in its day it was amazing. Edmundcycles, the P-47 was not MUCH better than a p-51... it was a better ground attack plane. No pilot would dogfight a P-51 vs a P-47 and take the thunderbolt. I am calling BS
tugger128 8 months ago
The P-51 was ok at some things great in none. P47 was a much better fighter than the P51 . The typhoon was faster at low level and could turn and climb faster than the P51 . The tempest was faster , better turning , up to 15K than the P51.
edmundscycles 11 months ago
The hurricane had a much better field of view . the hurricanes nose drooped a little more so you can see over it. The pilot sat much higher up in the hurricane too . It could be the MkII or I as these were test fitted with the B wing towards the end of the BoB , It's not a griffon spit as the engine has only small fairings over the exhaust stacks .
As a note the P51 wasn't that great a plane to fight in . It was slow rolling the turn rate was bad and turn radius was bigger than the P47
edmundscycles 11 months ago
Now I'm totally confused. The narrator described it as a Mk 1 BofB veteran. TopGunSGA (below) describes it as a Mk 2 and Paul Day (the pilot) describes it as a GRIFFON Spitfire. The cannon bulges in the wing dismisses it as a Mk 1 or 2, so I'll go for the Griffon
And why the hell does this vintage military aircraft have a non-authentic coat of gloss paint? There's always someone determined to spoil things
Poopingbotham 1 year ago
@Poopingbotham What you see on the wing aren't cannon bulges (if you referring to the 2 strips you can see), they're strengthening plates that were added to the wings to help cushion the blow of landings on harder ground, they were first added to the Mk II. As for the Griffon part, the pilot was mearly pointing out that IF you were in a Griffon Spitfire there would be an extra 2 feet of nose compared to the earlier ones.
The BBMFs MkIIa P7350 is the only airwothy BOB Vet Spit in the world
TopGunSGA 6 months ago
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In WWII when a German ace was asked by a German commander "What do we need to win the Battle of Britain?" he simply replied "A squadron of Spitfires." Fact.
Awesome plane.
As stated by Chruchill: "Never in the field of human conflict was so much been owed by so many to so few."
aekek611 1 year ago
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aekek611 1 year ago
This guy is a total snob douche..He bagged on the 109 too.. Get your tea Brit and start packing.
skot66 1 year ago
Question about the Spitfire's flaps: were they only for landing, or could the pilot also use them for deceleration in combat?
mpgingdl 1 year ago
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VictorSeedorsky 1 year ago
What documentary is this?
Supduplemup 1 year ago
wow! i dident realize tha the spits cockpit was so hard and unorganized!
jetdog95 2 years ago
The narrator got it wrong, it's a Mk II not a Mk I
TopGunSGA 2 years ago
Why do you complain about the nose ? And how long it is, leave the spitfire alone, its beautiful ? One question i would love to ask this pilot, 'Where would YOU put the engine?'. Heres some paper, and a pen, go re design it if you think your soo special
lennonmccartneybeat 3 years ago 4
@lennonmccartneybeat He sayd that all things bad couse of modern jetfighters view (pilot wiev) - that's all.. and (even i Love this plane to) he undfurtunatelly hes right about it.. Those machines had many bad solutions.. but in those ages they didn't know how to build good fighting planes.. only a beutyfull and good flying..:)
VictorSeedorsky 1 year ago
Hes comparing it to a modern jet, thats why it sounds bad.
Hes been asked to criticize it.
If you listen to his thoughts about the 109 cockpit, then you would realise this isnt a bad appraisal.
Xiolablu3 3 years ago
If you have flown a fighter in a close dogfight combat, you know that slightly distorted view fom lateralpanels, dosnt matter because they perfectly allow to watch enemy´s trajetory to anticipate their movements and stillput bullets ahead ( caal it deflection) sot that panels arenot theretodiscover an enemyplane from 2 miles away.Sit was definetly a XXI century figther in XX century age.So.. arrogant coments, hes clearly not authorized opinion on Mitchel´s masterpiece
mig15fan 3 years ago
Pilots like him annoy me... Just appreciate what the Spitfire is and stop complaining. Pilots back then were used to different cockpit configurations. If I was given a Spitfire right now I wouldn't complain one bit.
mrrmancunian 3 years ago
Funny how he makes one of the best airplanes of WWII sound like a piece of crap, lol.
AmokBR 3 years ago 12
@AmokBR
It was. It was just better performance wise than the German planes. A laminar flow wing (smaller surface area), a bubble canopy (like on some spits), maneuvering flaps (like on most other planes), and a bit more room in the cockpit would've done the spitty wonders. I basically said it needs to be a Mustang, lol
noonedude101 1 year ago
Excellent Documentary, Thankyou so much for posting.
fluffchops 3 years ago
interesting
trescothick23 3 years ago
i agree
wei11811 3 years ago
most beautiful plane in history.
c987 3 years ago
most beautiful plane in history.
c987 3 years ago