Here is clear evidence of the fact that Muhammad was deluded. He said that if you die in Jihad, you get to have sex with 72 virgins (wether they want it or not). Just think about this. 72 mothers in law? Sounds like hell to me!
In his channel profile, 'Lorientalist' describes himself as " socially Liberal & Progressive" & "against bigotry". Yet applies his efforts to promoting & defending the most intolerant, reactionary & bigoted ideology on earth: Islam.
The fact that I like to verify and substantiate claims & assertions with REAL evidence (not just anecdote) simply makes me an effective and accurate critic of Islam.
I'm puzzled as to why you feel the need to fabricate lies about Muhammad: Islam is already a maggot-riddled religion.
The only reason that one has to misrepresent one's opponents is if one lacks any real arguments, so why do you resort to Strawmanning Muhammad when there are so many REAL arguments to be made?
@Klingschor I fabricate nothing. I pass on only what I have learned or received from others or from personal experience.
You Tube is not an academic symposium: if you want further verifications, references etc. you can do your own research. Use your search engine. You will also find a number of relevant websites recommended on my channel.
A claim made without evidence can be dismissed without evidence - until you actually quote the primary sources containing the evidence for the assertions that you are making, you will be ignored.
The burden of proof is incumbent upon you, not me.
2nd part cont; "....This designation of Muhammad appears only four times in the text of the Koran, and even in passages that appeared to come from interpolations, in the opinion of critics allowed, however it should be noted that it is found in the text of the Treaty of Hodéïbiya. The prophet is also called Ahmed "the most commendable "by the sacred text, simple variant of the name Mohammed. The real name of the legislator of the world Muslim will probably always be unknown."
@LtHavoc1983 Probably not. Most (non-muslim) Mental Health Professionals who have studied Muhammed conclude that he was abnormal, Epilepsy has been suggested but a strong consensus is that he was a Psychopath.
@Lorientalist As a Mental Health Professional (PhD) with some 40 years experience in Forensic Psychology, Psychological Profiling & Psychopathic Disorders, I represent that consensus personally.
No you don't - you're a random anonymous youtuber on the internet. Even if you are what you say you are (a "Mental Health Professional PhD"), I still wouldn't accept your claim, since such a thing would simply constitute an appeal to your own authority.
So again: Do you have any real evidence that the "strong consensus" of historians and associated psychologists hold the opinion that Muhammad was a psychopath?
@Lorientalist You know very well that I'm not going to produce my credentials on YouTube, so you may believe or disbelieve whatsoever you wish. By what demonstrable qualifications do YOU support your claims & assertions? I find extended YouTube discussions & arguments generally unprofitable: I owe you nothing & frankly I don't like your attitude. If you are genuinely interested in my sources, you will do your own research (which will almost certainly include my own published work). Goodbye.
>"By what demonstrable qualifications do YOU support your claims & assertions?"
I need no qualifications - unlike you, I haven't made any assertions based purely on alleged qualifications alone, which is what you did concerning your claim that the "strong consensus" of historians and associated psychologists hold the opinion that Muhammad was a psychopath. You said that "I represent that consensus personally" - did you expect me to take such a claim seriously?
An argument made without evidence can be dismissed without evidence - unless you can provide evidence for your assertions (as I have done - see my blog, linked above), don't expect anyone to take your claims seriously.
@Lorientalist Not a consensus, but quite thorough 'psychobiography' of Muhammad: Understanding Muhammad, by Dr Ali Sina (available for purchase from Faith Freedom website, Amazon), and Unmasking Muhammad, by Sujit Das (free PDF download from Faith Freedom website). I think I remember reading an article linking Muhammad with temporal lobe epilepsy on that same website, but can no longer find it.
@Lorientalist How could academia EVER provide a definitive, official psychiatric/medical diagnosis for a 7thC man it cannot even prove ever EXISTED?! Muhammad may have been entirely made up after the fact to justify Arab conquests. The first mention of him and his "mission" appears about 6 decades after they'd started. However, these muslim sources recount for instance how Muhammad laughed when one of his gang members presented him with a severed head. This is what we call a PSYCHOPATH.
'Muhammed' (not his original name) falsified his name & the circumstances of his birth & youth when he decided to invent himself as a 'prophet'. Abdallah 'abd ul-Muttalib died THREE YEARS - not 3 months before 'Muhammed' was born. His real father was unknown because his mother Amina & her sister Halima (his aunt & 'wet nurse') were notorious Quraishi whores. 'Muhammed' had a sexual relationship with his aunt - including sex with her corpse. His original name was Qathem ibn-Kilab (son of dogs)
@Lorientalist My sources include Imam al-Souty, Ibn Hisham al-Ansari & Abd-Allah bin Yusuf.
You may wish to look (inter alia) at al-Kasa's al-Kubra, al-Tabaquat al-Kubra, al-Syra al-Nbwaya, al-Rahi'q Ma'khtom, Sira ibn-Kathir.
I am not sure of this, but is the claim for ibn-Hisham as the earliest source of seera correct? Is it not disputed?
The first name of 'Muhammed's' alleged father was posthumously changed by 'Muhammed' to 'AbdAllah' from Abd Allat (Allat was a pagan deity. 'abd' = devotee)
@freeman8128 I looked for Qutham and found it on a site as it appears here;
"It is narrated from Prophet Muhammad (s.a.w.w) to have said about himself that ‘I am Qotham` which means ‘I am the owner of comprehensiveness and the collection of all goodness`. (Beharul Anwar Vol.16 p.130) ...."
@00ismaeL001a Another reference; Al-Sirah Al-Halabia also called Insan al-Uyan fi Sirat al-Ma'mum, vol 1. p. 128;
"After the death of Qathem ibn Abd-Al-Mu'taleb (Muhammad's uncle) at the age of nine, three years before Muhammad was born, his father Abd Al-Mu'taleb felt so sad, so when the prophet was born, he named him Qathem"
Thats funny.Why are u trying so hard to pronounce the Arabic words as an Arab?
Aside from not existing a universal pronunciation of Arabic, u are doing a poor job, and u are making a fool out of yourself..
are u trying to sun-blind people with yr enormous knowledge of Arabic ,klinghs?
You sound like those pesky reporters of major news networks, pretending to be Spanish literate, going out of their way to pronounce correctly Spanish names, out of political correctness...
@AmetReloads you sound butt hurt ametreloads. of all things to criticize (like the accuracy of this videos...) you choose to badger Klingchor on his pronounciation?
your response reaks of pettiness with a subtle hint of sarcasm. anyone reading it would just assume you are a bitter muslim, threatened by critics exposing his/her religion for the foolishness that it is.
Why is everybody so sure that Muhammad REALLY experienced "visions" or "hallucinations"? Why should he not just have been an impostor only feigning to have had such "visions"?
In my opinion, Muhammad's actions and attitudes are exactly those of a convinced and sincere ideologue, following the orders and directives of his subconscious/alter ego, manifesting via visual and auditory hallucinations.
@Lorientalist Proph Muhammad was born on monday , his first marriage ( with Khadija) on monday , received revelation on monday and died on monday . that's another sign 4 u from god .
@lahoucine66 I was born on a Wednesday, my first kiss was on a wednesday, my first day in college was a Wednesday, and I will make sure I die on a Wednesday ?
his first marriage (with khadija) on a Monday , got the first revelation on a Monday ,
they migrated to Al Madina on a Monday (biginning of the islamic calendar) , got the last verses of revelation (during the farwel sermon) on a Monday ,
@Klingschor Bukhari and Muslim reported that Mohammad had said, "We (Muslims) came last and yet we are the first on the day of judgment. They have received the books before us (meaning Torah and Injil). We have received the book after them (meaning the Qur’an). Friday was their day to be glorified. However, they disputed on that while Allah had told us Friday is the day to glorify. Thus they will follow us. The Jews glorify Saturday, and the Christians glorify Sunday."
@Klingschor Also reported by Imam Muslim, Abo-Dawod, Al-Nesaii, and Al-Termithi, that Prophet Mohammad (P.B.U.H.) had said, "The best day during which the sun have risen is Friday. It is the Day Adam was created. It is the day when Adam entered paradise and also when he was taken out from it. It is also the day on which the day of judgment takes place."
@Klingschor Yes. 'Monday' refers to the Moon - to the worship of which it is dedicated; 'Tuesday' to the norse God Tieu; 'Wednesday' to Woden (Wotan, Odin); Thursday to Thor; Friday to Freyya; Saturday to Saturn & Sunday to the Sun.
if u mean that islamic worship is dedicated 2 the moon , u r wrong .
prophet muhammad (before his mission) used to meditate ( in the cave on the mont ) during the nights of the ten last days of the lunar moon . the nights when there is no moon but darkness . in that nights came to him the holy spirit in his real notion .
@lahoucine66 No. I do not mean that: My comment on the English weekdays was addressed to Klingschor in reply to his comment & had nothing to do with Islamic worship.
yes u r right we can make a lot of correlations in history . but the miracles of proph muhammad r various . they r not only limitted to the miracle of Mondays .
u should take islam miracles as a whole .
it is impossible for a man not supported by god to gather all these wonders .
There is no miracle of Monday - you're picking and choosing events from Muhammad's life that occurred on Mondays. There are no Miracles in Islam - all such claims are weak sauce, my friend.
You also seem to ignore the religion and circumstances of Muhammad's Father, Abd' al' Lah, whilst focusing on his Uncle.
I realise that Abd' al' Lah died before Muhammad's birth, but it's important to know why Muhammad said he was going to Hell in Sahih Muslim, and also why his name was Abd' al' Lah before Muhammad's teachings.
@Lorientalist Well, you mention Muhammad's father was called Abd' al' Lah, and the fact his name literally meant 'Slave to al' Lah' before Muhammad encouraged the worship of al' Lah certainly deserves mention. So does the fact that other close relatives were named ‘Slave to Manaf’.
I feel you focused too much on the monotheistic Judeo-christian tradition of Muhammad's Uncle, 'reinforcing' the vehement Islamic claim of Abrahamic descendency and ignoring contrary claims.
I have seen the video and have a few criticism's - I may be wrong in some.
09:13 You say that Muhammed was prompted by GOD. This has no factual basis other than Old books that say so.
You speak as if your information is factual, but it is based on sources like Ibn Ishaq who wrote his biography about 100 years after Muhammad's death, + on the Islamic game of giving authority to Chinese Whispers . Also you seem to omit Ibn's unsavoury parts - forgive me if you mention more of these in part 2.
I already established that Muhammad's visions were hallucinations, so when I said "Muhammed was prompted by GOD", it should be clear given the preamble that I don't literally mean that God spoke to him; it was just a manifestation of his subconscious.
@Lorientalist You did not make it clear that Muhammad suffering from Hallucinations and being ‘prompted by God’ (in your own words) were the same thing.
Now, if I were to say that Tony Blair was prompted by George Bush, either I will be making a statement of opinionated belief or I will claim to make an objective one. A Skeptic wouldn’t fit into either camps!!!
@Lorientalist The title itself says ‘Skeptic: The Life of Muhammad’, and through the logical inference that you approach this topic in a SKEPTICAL manner let alone objectively - your statement is severely misplaced.
An argument from you that God is Absurd anyway so cannot be taken seriously is fallacious since He cannot be disproven (plus billions believe in one - to dangerous effect in my view).
Even though I don't subscribe to islam nor believe in a lot of it's teachings, this is a GREAT documentary. Can't wait to check out the rest. Thank you.
Mohammed were being attacked is common sense. You do not make-up your own religion and start recruiting and don't expect the majorities is going to let you slide. I mean take a look at the Muslim countries, you can't go in there and worship anything else but Islam or you'll be attacked.
Kling, have you heard the story of how Muhammad realized he was a prophet and if was visited by angels or demons jinns? I heard it was Kadejah who determined he was a prophet when she had him sit on her lap and did something sexual. Reportedly she did something sexual and if there were no angels around them he was a prophet, because Satan and demons like to see 'nasty' things and angels don't, and that is how he determined he was a prophet, not demon possessed.
@GroundZeroMosque dont where you got that part from, but Khadija did not determine if Mo had become a Prophet when he rushed back home from his experience in the Cave of Hira. He was horrified about seeing and hearing Gabriel/Jibrail but Khadija led him to a distant relative named Waraqah ibn Naufal, who was a noted albeit dissident scholar of pagan Arab and semitic scriptures. He heard that story from Mo, went into a frenzy and convinced him that Mo was in fact the new Prophet
@PakistaniAtheist Ibn Ishaq’s “Sirat Rasul Allah”, The Life of Muhammad, translated by A. Guillaume, p. 107: “Isma’il b. Abu Hakim, a freedman of the family of al-Zubayr, told me on Khadija’s authority that she said to the apostle of God, ‘O son of my uncle, are you able to tell me about your visitant, when he comes to you ?’ He replied that he could, and she asked him to tell her when he came. So when Gabriel came to him, as he was wont, the apostle said to Khadija....
@PakistaniAtheist continued....‘This is Gabriel who has just come to me.’ ‘Get up, O son of my uncle,’ she said, ‘and sit by my left thigh’. The apostle did so, and she said, ‘Can you see him?’ ‘Yes,’ he said. She said, ‘Then turn round and sit on my right thigh.’ He did so, and she said, ‘Can you see him?’ When he said that he could she asked him to move and sit in her lap. When he had done this she again asked if he could see him,.....
@GroundZeroMosque furthur continued....and when he said yes, she disclosed her form and cast aside her veil while the apostle was sitting in her lap. Then she said, ‘Can you see him?’ And he replied, ‘No.’ She said, ‘O son of my uncle, rejoice and be of good heart, by God he is an angel and not a satan.’”
So Khadija had convinced Muhammad that he must be seeing angels not demons cuz angels don't like to see nasty things, but demons do.
@PakistaniAtheist You're welcome. I believe Kadijah was worried about Muhammad's "visions" and wanted to protect and help him because he was threatening suicide. Muhammad believed his visions were demonic and wanted to kill himself. So I believe she contacted her cousin, who was a Christian, and persuaded him to help her to help her husband. She, with the help her cousin, were possibly the people to change the course of history making Muhammad believe he was a prophet, not ill
@ProgressiveAudio lol...and then he went to that symbol that Prince uses. I think a Turkish scholar wrote an article where he mentioned Muhammad's real name.
@GroundZeroMosque I'm agnostic as to whether Muhammad actually existed, after all even some muslims agree there's not enough evidence to indicate he was a real person, but if he was, changing ones name is not too nefarious, after all it was a tradition of leaders both in Europe and the Middle East at the time.
@ProgressiveAudio Yea, I doubt he's a real person because the way people worship him more than god, his bloodline would end up being royalty and still be now.
It says the visions were like a mental illness was there. What is more likely? mental illness or something no one else can see or measure used him to spread the word of monotheism, but failed to tell everyone else on the planet. He married his cousin, then a child and most people thought he was crazy.
It would have been better if you explained the story through direct references to the hadiths. and Ibn Ishaq's version isn't accepted by many muslims.
But the biggest fact that you failed to mention was that this story that you narrated is acquired wholly from muslim sources. Thus it is obviously highly biased towards Muhammad. Imagine the picturea skeptic non-muslim source from that time might portray.
@Rifaak Today many Muslims are now claiming that the hadiths and Ibn Ishaq are not reliable sources. Yet this goes against the majority of the Sunni Islamic scholars. There are few IF ANY top Islamic scholar who says that the hadiths and Ibn Ishaq are false. The false claims of the hadiths and Ibn Ishaq being untrue is only a recent movement after critics started to use them against Islam. So if top Islamic scholars say they are true...you are stuck with them.
@GroundZeroMosque Correct. Muslims have the tendency of using totally unreliable hadiths if they are positive but reject factual negative ones. Like every apologist has his or her version of Aisha's age disregarding countless hadiths saying it was 9. Unless its shameless ones like Zakir Naik who declared he could give away his young daughter to a 100 year old pious man.
@Rifaak God allowed female premature marriages starting from 9 . Modern human laws restrict the minimum age of marriage to 18 years old . is that correct in your point of view ? take into consideration that god punishes 4 premarital sex , boyfriending . also take into consideration the high level of premature pregnancies & abortion in the world . in my country , poor families send their little girls 2 work in houses in cities (abuse & exploitation), in asia they send them 2 work in prostitution
So because your god is an arsehole and punishes people for completely victimless 'crimes', this somehow justifies the paedophilia demonstrated in the bible? Even if it did justify it, it only does so for those gullible enough to consider such a god to be real to begin with. To us, the rational who see reality for what it is, it's just an adult male fucking a poor kid who had no choice. It's the same reason modern societies outlaw it.
@lahoucine66 granted teens marrying may not be a big crime. But islam still allows a man of any age to marry 9 year olds. Now we're in a virtual world. Tell me, do you have the balls to come out in front of real people and say there's noting wrong if you had sex with a 9 year old. probably not. Because that's fucked up!!
@Rifaak there r girls who grow fast & get mature early . arabs used 2 burry their new born girls live 4 fear of shame & scandals . khalif omar before his islam burried his daughter 2 . proph muhammad prohibitted it 4 them & showed them that a younger girl can be a good wife . in poor countries , a little girl would be happy to know she is going 2 be married with an old loving man instead of being sent 2 work in houses , prostitution or in agriculture in other countries (coffee/chocolate fields)
@lahoucine66 A little girl married with an old "loving" man IS child abuse AND prostitution. Muhammad prohibited infant burial - his only positive contribution to the arab world. He suggested (=promised) up to 4 women to 1 man (himself gave himself about 10 wives, and many sex slaves). Obviously, he could not allow girl infanticide! Too many kuffar men would need slaughtering... Simple mathematics.
@BoredToDistraction The muslim claim that every one in the Pre-Islamic arabia were just finger licking happy about burying their children is false. Of course it existed as a social ill, much like there are rape and/or pedophilia in todays society. But it would be nonsensical to claim that everyone today accepted rape and pedophilia as a normal practice. Likewise, It is nonsensical to state the arabs considered infanticide as a normal practice. It is just anti-pagan propaganda
@captaindisguise I'll take your word for it. Like customary marriageable age, data about infanticide in pre-islamic arabia is hard to find. Actually, since Muhammad declared anything pre- and non- islamic "jahilyah" (ignorance) and tried to erase all traces of it, pretty much all info is from muslim sources (as far as I know). I like Ali Sina & al-Rassooli's work; they are quite good at reading between the lines.
@lahoucine66 why are you harping on the worst examples in society to justify marrying off at 9. I live in India, a poor country for the most so trust me when I say only communities that educated and empowered girls were successful, not ones that practice child marriage to let go of the 'burden'.
@Rifaak These worst examples in society are a fact that we cannot deny and close our eyes so as not to see them . there are such cases for which premature marriage can be a solution to save the girl . god's laws are no more accepted under the flag of modernism . these divine solution hide a wisedom behind them . just see if god'd law of cutting theiefs's hand is applied , no one in your governement would no more steal the money of indians .
@lahoucine66 Pre-mature marriage can SAVE a girl? Bloody hell, can't you FEED a little girl without having SEX with her?
You know, your limb-chopping justice is just too mild, it doesn't go to the ROOT of the problem. Ultimate Divine Solution: kill ALL human beings. No more "mistakes" ever made, heartless brain-dead god happy. Sick sick sick culture.
u r talking as if modern culture & laws have found solutions to human problems. up to now nothing is solved , criminality & poverty are higher & higher . god commanded obligatory charity (Zakat) which is 2.5 of your wealth every year but no one do it .
@lahoucine66 Men have become MUCH LESS violent. Giving women equal power helped. Nobody starves in advanced countries. Life expectancy has shot through the roofs. Crime still takes place, but we do not torture criminals or kill them (although the US still has death penalty, unfortunately). Amputation and assassination are CRIMES too, haven't you noticed??
religion has nothing to do with poverty . proof non muslim countries in asia , black africa & all latin america .
developped countries can't live without muslims oil .
muslims put great amount of money as investements & bank deposites in western countries that can cause a collaps in their economies if they all withraw it .
NB / my former discussion about premature female marriage r just my own opinion . am not responsible 4 their accuracy .
@lahoucine66 2) There is no god/s, but advanced countries give enormous sums to charity and aid without being forced or even asked, and keep muslim countries alive through trade, science, education, technology. The muslim world keeps the world crazy with its arrested development, imperialist drive, unequalled sadism and blood-thirst. I'll stop there actually. Islam overdose. Bye.
@lahoucine66 Once again I ask you, why are you only looking at the worst conditions to support child marriage. Does not allah's law also allow a wealthy perverted man to buy off a 9 year old girl. These are supposed to be god's laws, hence they should be excellent. But that's not the case. Sharia justice is temporarily effective but what about innocents who are wrongly judged? And doesn't that do injustice to apostates who must be killed only for not following a religion.
@Rifaak Perhaps , female premature marriage is made as a solution 4 those worst cases in society . in poor countries , children work & don't go to school . some poor families have even 4-5-6-7 girls . premature M can't be done in all countries in all times . it's just a temporary transitional law 2 cure those cases . proof : female premature M also existed in western countries which condamn it today . 18years old minimum marriage age is not a solution in a religion which forbids premarital sex
in islamic shariaa , no jails are needed . every criminal will get his rewafd immidiately . jails cost governements a lot. jails in usa today are crowded that they no more imprison criminals but they let them go after they pay some money .
@lahoucine66 Speaking of jails and prisons in the West in 2008;
In Britain, 11 percent of prisoners are Muslim in contrast to about 3 percent of all inhabitants, according to the Justice Ministry. Research by the Open Society Institute, an advocacy organization, shows that in the Netherlands 20 percent of adult prisoners and 26 percent of all juvenile offenders are Muslim; the country is about 5.5 percent Muslim.
That's just what i said . this is a failure of human modern laws which r not efficient to stop criminality . jails r overcrowded in the west . with islamic shariaa no jails r needed .
u can't accuse islam of being responsible without its laws being applied !
the 1st generation of muslims in the west were righteous citizens . the 2nd & 3th generation r disobedient affected by their envirenment . drugs , riot , alcohol : things which islam forbids & punishes for !
@lahoucine66 Is it the Wests fault that Muslims make up such a large amount of criminals in Western countries for their numbers? If Islam was correct then many of the children of 1st generation of Muslim immigrants should know not to do crime.
the miracles of proph muhammad r various but u will not believe them (make google search) . example : his tribe used to pray god to give them rain (during drought) for the sake of muhammad the child . in no time the rain came .
All his biography is a miracle .
the quran is the great living miracle for an unlettered prophet.
@lahoucine66 I know there is only one miracle reportedly in the Quran, that is ayat 5:41 where Muhammad reportedly split the moon. The other miracles are in the hadith...so are the hadiths true? Many Muslims when faced with problems in the hadiths claim the hadiths are not to be trusted, only the Quran is to be trusted. So using the logic than there was only ONE miracle unless you also agree with the hadiths and the problems IN the hadiths.
@lahoucine66 If Western countries started to punish harshly the large amounts of Muslims doing criminal acts in their countries how would the Muslim world react? They would react that those states are treating Muslims wrongly.
@101petermeter if shariaa is applied it should be applied for all not only for muslims .
NB : no muslim country applies shariaa
muslims's children in the west go to christian schools & are protected by westen law , so u cannot punish your child . so muslim immigrant children are the creation of the west !
@lahoucine66 If you say Muslim immigrant children are the 'creation of the west'...then why do Muslims want to migrate to the West and have their children corrupted?
u have no channel , who is hiding there ? quran doesn't say Muhammad split the moon but it says the moon shrunk .
muslims immigrate to the west because their countries r governed by dictators suppoted by the west . corrupted governements . if shariaa is really applied , all governements employees will get their hands chopped . saudi arabia pretend 2 apply shariaa but the truth is that they only apply it on poor class citizens !
@lahoucine66 uh, I have a channel or I would not be commenting on here. The hadiths explain in Muslim Book 039, Number 6725: This hadith has been transmitted on the authority of Abdullah b. Mas'ud (who said): We were along with Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) at Mina, that moon was split up into two. One of its parts was behind the mountain and the other one was on this side of the mountain. Allah's Messenger (may peace be upbn him) said to us: Bear witness to this.
@lahoucine66 More from Sahih Muslim; Book 039, Number 6726: 'Abdullah b. Mas'ud reported that the moon was split up in two parts during the lifetime of Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him). The mountain covered one of its parts and one part of it was above the mountain and Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) said: Bear witness to this.
@lahoucine66 Now that Mubarak, Gaddafi, Ali has been deposed as leaders...what is stopping them from returning or going there to help make it Sharia, that is what is happening now...so why don't they leave the West and go there...since this is the time...no?
@lahoucine66 If moon was split in two by Muhamamd and written down....why wasn't it documented by others; like Chinese, Indians, Native Americans, Europeans,Japanese, Africans or other countries and races around the world? They would've seen the moon split too because the moon is seen by millions at that time. No other people reported moon being split. So where is the other non-Islamic evidence to prove moon split?
till now no research has been made 2 invistigate all the scripts of the world to see if some of them mention the splitted moon . we muslims don't haste cause everything comes in time . if the hadiths r correct, then the truth is only hidden somewhere . also if the miracle occured duding winter time , hardly no other regions would have seen it . once i read in a moroccan newspaper that some chinese letters found in ancient building mention it . on web i could find nothing
@lahoucine66 In Belgium, Muslims from Morocco and Turkey make up at least 16 percent of the prison population, compared with 2 percent of the general populace, the research found. This prison is majority Muslim -- as is virtually every house of incarceration in France. About 60 to 70 percent of all inmates in the country's prison system are Muslim, according to Muslim leaders, sociologists and researchers, though Muslims make up only about 12 percent of the country's population.
@lahoucine66 The fact is that Mohammed could not spread his 'religion' through persuasion and in TEN YEARS of his ministry only managed to get a few hundred devotees. It was only when he and his gang moved to Medina and they made their first raid, during the Holy Month when it was FORBIDDEN, he had a 'revelation' that excused it and had his share of the booty. From then on he and his gang of criminals started the biggest mafia organisation the world has ever seen.
@ritchloui Who started killing & transgressing ? Proph Muhammad started his preaching peacefully . his followers began growing in number . their tribe started torturing and killing them . proph Med sent a group of believers to a christian king in abyssinia as refuge . torture & killing continued . then they all left their lands & homes by immigrating to Almadina where they were very welcomed . it is then just that they fought to regain their land & homes .
@lahoucine66 LOL. So Mohammed and his gang of murderers just 'fought to regain their land and homes'. So that would be ALL of Arabia would it? What an absolute moron. That would be when Mohammed decided that in fact he wanted his sex pest mafia to dominate the world. Hahahaha - oh yes, he just fought to regain his land and home. HAHAHAHA. Islam is the biggest criminal organisation in the world.
I posted this video on Google Plus and I got hammered by some big time skeptics on the accuracy of this video and had to take it down to avoid spreading inaccuracies, I am a newb at Islam, so I don't know who's correct. Chris Green on G+
@Lorientalist Error #1 - He was not a merchant. His first wife was. Muhammad was her aide, an errand boy. After Khadija's death, Muhammad earned his living as a thief and robber of caravans.
Error #2 - Amina, Muhammad's prostitute mother abandoned Muhammad at birth.
Error #3 - During Muhammad's youth he was not considered trustworthy, he was considered mentally unstable. His adoptive father considered him insane.
#4 - It doesn't elaborate that Muhammad stole his son's wife and bedded her.
He got his son divorced after he saw his daughter in law naked and then married her....such a filthy git..
darklord2314 4 days ago
When he was in the desert, he went mad.
CleanItUpMan99 1 week ago
Eeew! He had sex with his own cousin?
CleanItUpMan99 1 week ago
Here is clear evidence of the fact that Muhammad was deluded. He said that if you die in Jihad, you get to have sex with 72 virgins (wether they want it or not). Just think about this. 72 mothers in law? Sounds like hell to me!
CleanItUpMan99 1 week ago
He was a successful business man but could not read suddenly?
I believe his wife was cheating on him, that's why he was so fixated on adultery.
AtarPiruzdelan 1 week ago
If Mohommad kept slaves then it must be ok to keep slaves? - Rene
mammyoriordan 1 week ago
life of mohammad is a life full of shame for a normal person. But not an evil person like mohammad.
rzadan 2 weeks ago
In his channel profile, 'Lorientalist' describes himself as " socially Liberal & Progressive" & "against bigotry". Yet applies his efforts to promoting & defending the most intolerant, reactionary & bigoted ideology on earth: Islam.
- How strange!
freeman8128 2 weeks ago
@freeman8128
The fact that I like to verify and substantiate claims & assertions with REAL evidence (not just anecdote) simply makes me an effective and accurate critic of Islam.
I'm puzzled as to why you feel the need to fabricate lies about Muhammad: Islam is already a maggot-riddled religion.
The only reason that one has to misrepresent one's opponents is if one lacks any real arguments, so why do you resort to Strawmanning Muhammad when there are so many REAL arguments to be made?
Klingschor 2 weeks ago
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freeman8128 2 weeks ago
@Klingschor I fabricate nothing. I pass on only what I have learned or received from others or from personal experience.
You Tube is not an academic symposium: if you want further verifications, references etc. you can do your own research. Use your search engine. You will also find a number of relevant websites recommended on my channel.
freeman8128 2 weeks ago
@freeman8128
A claim made without evidence can be dismissed without evidence - until you actually quote the primary sources containing the evidence for the assertions that you are making, you will be ignored.
The burden of proof is incumbent upon you, not me.
Klingschor 2 weeks ago
@Klingschor Then go ahead & ignore me - I couldn't care less: in fact I should be delighted.
freeman8128 2 weeks ago
00ismaeL001a 3 weeks ago
It would be great if you had sources for every 'controversial' claim in this video.
Meloman0001 3 weeks ago
@Meloman0001
You can find all of them in the script, which is linked above in the info-box.
Lorientalist 3 weeks ago
So, would it be far off to say that Muhammed may have had a brain tumor that resulted in a mental defect?
LtHavoc1983 3 weeks ago
@LtHavoc1983 Probably not. Most (non-muslim) Mental Health Professionals who have studied Muhammed conclude that he was abnormal, Epilepsy has been suggested but a strong consensus is that he was a Psychopath.
freeman8128 3 weeks ago
@freeman8128
I'd like to see that consensus, as I am very interested in this topic - could you send me a link or reference?
Lorientalist 3 weeks ago
@Lorientalist As a Mental Health Professional (PhD) with some 40 years experience in Forensic Psychology, Psychological Profiling & Psychopathic Disorders, I represent that consensus personally.
freeman8128 3 weeks ago
@freeman8128
No you don't - you're a random anonymous youtuber on the internet. Even if you are what you say you are (a "Mental Health Professional PhD"), I still wouldn't accept your claim, since such a thing would simply constitute an appeal to your own authority.
So again: Do you have any real evidence that the "strong consensus" of historians and associated psychologists hold the opinion that Muhammad was a psychopath?
A study or academic citation would be ideal.
Lorientalist 3 weeks ago
@Lorientalist You know very well that I'm not going to produce my credentials on YouTube, so you may believe or disbelieve whatsoever you wish. By what demonstrable qualifications do YOU support your claims & assertions? I find extended YouTube discussions & arguments generally unprofitable: I owe you nothing & frankly I don't like your attitude. If you are genuinely interested in my sources, you will do your own research (which will almost certainly include my own published work). Goodbye.
freeman8128 3 weeks ago
@freeman8128
>"By what demonstrable qualifications do YOU support your claims & assertions?"
I need no qualifications - unlike you, I haven't made any assertions based purely on alleged qualifications alone, which is what you did concerning your claim that the "strong consensus" of historians and associated psychologists hold the opinion that Muhammad was a psychopath. You said that "I represent that consensus personally" - did you expect me to take such a claim seriously?
Lorientalist 3 weeks ago
@Lorientalist PS. I have already provided you with a few of many leads available as the early life of Muhammad.
The comment concerning Muhammad's Personality & Mental Health was not addressed to you.
freeman8128 3 weeks ago
@freeman8128
An argument made without evidence can be dismissed without evidence - unless you can provide evidence for your assertions (as I have done - see my blog, linked above), don't expect anyone to take your claims seriously.
Lorientalist 3 weeks ago
@Lorientalist Not a consensus, but quite thorough 'psychobiography' of Muhammad: Understanding Muhammad, by Dr Ali Sina (available for purchase from Faith Freedom website, Amazon), and Unmasking Muhammad, by Sujit Das (free PDF download from Faith Freedom website). I think I remember reading an article linking Muhammad with temporal lobe epilepsy on that same website, but can no longer find it.
BoredToDistraction 3 weeks ago
@BoredToDistraction
I have perused Ali Sina's book - it's an interesting read, but it's not a serious academic source.
Lorientalist 3 weeks ago
@Lorientalist How could academia EVER provide a definitive, official psychiatric/medical diagnosis for a 7thC man it cannot even prove ever EXISTED?! Muhammad may have been entirely made up after the fact to justify Arab conquests. The first mention of him and his "mission" appears about 6 decades after they'd started. However, these muslim sources recount for instance how Muhammad laughed when one of his gang members presented him with a severed head. This is what we call a PSYCHOPATH.
BoredToDistraction 3 weeks ago
'Muhammed' (not his original name) falsified his name & the circumstances of his birth & youth when he decided to invent himself as a 'prophet'. Abdallah 'abd ul-Muttalib died THREE YEARS - not 3 months before 'Muhammed' was born. His real father was unknown because his mother Amina & her sister Halima (his aunt & 'wet nurse') were notorious Quraishi whores. 'Muhammed' had a sexual relationship with his aunt - including sex with her corpse. His original name was Qathem ibn-Kilab (son of dogs)
freeman8128 3 weeks ago
@freeman8128
My source was Ibn Hisham, the earliest available source for the life of Muhammad - what was yours?
Lorientalist 3 weeks ago
@Lorientalist My sources include Imam al-Souty, Ibn Hisham al-Ansari & Abd-Allah bin Yusuf.
You may wish to look (inter alia) at al-Kasa's al-Kubra, al-Tabaquat al-Kubra, al-Syra al-Nbwaya, al-Rahi'q Ma'khtom, Sira ibn-Kathir.
I am not sure of this, but is the claim for ibn-Hisham as the earliest source of seera correct? Is it not disputed?
The first name of 'Muhammed's' alleged father was posthumously changed by 'Muhammed' to 'AbdAllah' from Abd Allat (Allat was a pagan deity. 'abd' = devotee)
freeman8128 3 weeks ago
@freeman8128
Could you send me a private messages with quotes from these sources to prove your assertions?
As for Ibn Hisham, there were earlier sources (which Ibn Hisham quotes), but the oldest one available to us is Ibn Hisham.
Lorientalist 3 weeks ago
@freeman8128 Yes, if you could send me those sources for your assertions as well, that would be great.
Meloman0001 3 weeks ago
@freeman8128 I looked for Qutham and found it on a site as it appears here;
"It is narrated from Prophet Muhammad (s.a.w.w) to have said about himself that ‘I am Qotham` which means ‘I am the owner of comprehensiveness and the collection of all goodness`. (Beharul Anwar Vol.16 p.130) ...."
Beharul Anwar I believe is Bihar al-Anwar
00ismaeL001a 3 weeks ago
@freeman8128 Also mentioned Histoire des Arabes, by Clements Huart, pg. 90 published 1912 in French;
"C'est lui qui lui donna son nom :
il l'appela Qotham, du nom d'un de ses fils à lui, mort trois
ans auparavant; ce n'est que plus tard — quand? pourquoi ?
à quelle occasion? on l'ignore — que le futur prophète fut
nommé Mohammed « le loué », qui n'est qu'un surnom, un
sobriquet devenu nom propre. Cette appellation de Mohammed
ne figure que quatre fois dans le texte du Qorân,.."
00ismaeL001a 3 weeks ago
Translated; "It was he who gave his name:
Qotham he called the name of a son to him, three dead
years ago, it was only later - when? why?
on what occasion? we do not know - that the future prophet was
Mohammed called the "leased", which is only a nickname, a
nickname became proper name. This designation of Muhammad
appears only four times in the text of the Koran,..."
But he acknowledgs that his name is unknown, but says reference was found in the text of the Treaty of Hodéïbiya.
00ismaeL001a 3 weeks ago
@00ismaeL001a Another reference; Al-Sirah Al-Halabia also called Insan al-Uyan fi Sirat al-Ma'mum, vol 1. p. 128;
"After the death of Qathem ibn Abd-Al-Mu'taleb (Muhammad's uncle) at the age of nine, three years before Muhammad was born, his father Abd Al-Mu'taleb felt so sad, so when the prophet was born, he named him Qathem"
00ismaeL001a 3 weeks ago
I love the Assassin's Creed music^^
Dietseleeuw 3 weeks ago
Thats funny.Why are u trying so hard to pronounce the Arabic words as an Arab?
Aside from not existing a universal pronunciation of Arabic, u are doing a poor job, and u are making a fool out of yourself..
are u trying to sun-blind people with yr enormous knowledge of Arabic ,klinghs?
You sound like those pesky reporters of major news networks, pretending to be Spanish literate, going out of their way to pronounce correctly Spanish names, out of political correctness...
Stop! It's embarrassing..
AmetReloads 3 weeks ago
@AmetReloads you sound butt hurt ametreloads. of all things to criticize (like the accuracy of this videos...) you choose to badger Klingchor on his pronounciation?
your response reaks of pettiness with a subtle hint of sarcasm. anyone reading it would just assume you are a bitter muslim, threatened by critics exposing his/her religion for the foolishness that it is.
Bigpussycat5 3 weeks ago
Fucking superb. As always.
nosensetoitatall 4 weeks ago
@Lorientalist You did an excellent job with part one by the way! I'm looking forward to part two.
GargamelGold 1 month ago
@Lorientalist Sorry it took me such a long time to getting around to watching your remake of your "The Life of Muhammad," videos.
GargamelGold 1 month ago
Why is everybody so sure that Muhammad REALLY experienced "visions" or "hallucinations"? Why should he not just have been an impostor only feigning to have had such "visions"?
karlmall 1 month ago
@karlmall
In my opinion, Muhammad's actions and attitudes are exactly those of a convinced and sincere ideologue, following the orders and directives of his subconscious/alter ego, manifesting via visual and auditory hallucinations.
Klingschor 1 month ago
@Klingschor - That would make Islam a "contagious mental disease" and Muhammd "patient zero" of that contagious mental disease called Islam.
That would be even more eerie than to view muslims as the victims of an impostor.
I still rather tend to believe to see Muhammad as an ancient cult leader, an ancient L. Ron Hubbard, Jim Jones or Sun Myung Moon.
karlmall 1 month ago
@karlmall On a side note, Muhammad did not believe in "contagious diseases" existed. The guy was an idiot. Refer to the following hadiths
Malik's Muwatta Book 50 Hadith 50.7.18
Bukhari Book 7 Volume 71 Hadith 608
Bukhari Book 7 Volume 71 Hadith 649
Bukhari Book 7 Volume 71 Hadith 652
captaindisguise 4 weeks ago
great now where is part 2
toot
fartfulone 1 month ago
@fartfulone
My microphone broke - I am purchasing a new one as soon as possible...
Lorientalist 1 month ago
ummm part 2???
proofandevidence 1 month ago in playlist Liked videos
@proofandevidence
It is nearly complete
Lorientalist 1 month ago
@Lorientalist lol sorry I just really like the subject L.
proofandevidence 1 month ago in playlist Liked videos
@Lorientalist Proph Muhammad was born on monday , his first marriage ( with Khadija) on monday , received revelation on monday and died on monday . that's another sign 4 u from god .
lahoucine66 1 month ago
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GroundZeroMosque 1 month ago
@lahoucine66 So are you saying that the day Monday is a holy day in Islam? Then why do you go to the mosque on Friday, not Monday?
GroundZeroMosque 1 month ago
@lahoucine66 I was born on a Wednesday, my first kiss was on a wednesday, my first day in college was a Wednesday, and I will make sure I die on a Wednesday ?
It will be a sign 4 u from god...
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@captaindisguise
Captaindisguise-hu Akbar!
Lorientalist 1 month ago
@captaindisguise
Proph Muhammad was born on a Monday ,
his first marriage (with khadija) on a Monday , got the first revelation on a Monday ,
they migrated to Al Madina on a Monday (biginning of the islamic calendar) , got the last verses of revelation (during the farwel sermon) on a Monday ,
and he died on a Monday .
( i didn't mention many other events )
just a coincidence ?
lahoucine66 3 weeks ago
@lahoucine66
So there is a God called Monday who's holy day is Monday?
This is all meaningless crap - you can make plenty of correlations in history. and it means nothing.
Klingschor 3 weeks ago
@Klingschor Bukhari and Muslim reported that Mohammad had said, "We (Muslims) came last and yet we are the first on the day of judgment. They have received the books before us (meaning Torah and Injil). We have received the book after them (meaning the Qur’an). Friday was their day to be glorified. However, they disputed on that while Allah had told us Friday is the day to glorify. Thus they will follow us. The Jews glorify Saturday, and the Christians glorify Sunday."
GroundZeroMosque 3 weeks ago
@Klingschor Also reported by Imam Muslim, Abo-Dawod, Al-Nesaii, and Al-Termithi, that Prophet Mohammad (P.B.U.H.) had said, "The best day during which the sun have risen is Friday. It is the Day Adam was created. It is the day when Adam entered paradise and also when he was taken out from it. It is also the day on which the day of judgment takes place."
GroundZeroMosque 3 weeks ago
@Klingschor Yes. 'Monday' refers to the Moon - to the worship of which it is dedicated; 'Tuesday' to the norse God Tieu; 'Wednesday' to Woden (Wotan, Odin); Thursday to Thor; Friday to Freyya; Saturday to Saturn & Sunday to the Sun.
freeman8128 2 weeks ago
@freeman8128
if u mean that islamic worship is dedicated 2 the moon , u r wrong .
prophet muhammad (before his mission) used to meditate ( in the cave on the mont ) during the nights of the ten last days of the lunar moon . the nights when there is no moon but darkness . in that nights came to him the holy spirit in his real notion .
lahoucine66 2 weeks ago
@lahoucine66 No. I do not mean that: My comment on the English weekdays was addressed to Klingschor in reply to his comment & had nothing to do with Islamic worship.
freeman8128 2 weeks ago
@Klingschor
yes u r right we can make a lot of correlations in history . but the miracles of proph muhammad r various . they r not only limitted to the miracle of Mondays .
u should take islam miracles as a whole .
it is impossible for a man not supported by god to gather all these wonders .
lahoucine66 2 weeks ago
@lahoucine66 What where the miracles that Muhammad did?
101petermeter 2 weeks ago
@lahoucine66 What miracles?
101petermeter 2 weeks ago
@lahoucine66
There is no miracle of Monday - you're picking and choosing events from Muhammad's life that occurred on Mondays. There are no Miracles in Islam - all such claims are weak sauce, my friend.
Klingschor 2 weeks ago
@lahoucine66 Now explain the miracles that Muhammad did during his time of prophethood,
101petermeter 2 weeks ago
@lahoucine66 If Muhammad and all the scholars said Friday was the best day, why are you saying it is Monday?
GroundZeroMosque 3 weeks ago
@GroundZeroMosque
i havn't said Monday is the best or a holy day .
lahoucine66 2 weeks ago
@lahoucine66 1. so what ?
2. no way in hell you can actually prove it?
3. then I am holy becuase a lot of major things happened to me on wednesday
4. you are an idiot as always!
captaindisguise 2 weeks ago 3
@lahoucine66 DELUSION REIGNS SUPREME!!!
halflifeproductionz 2 weeks ago
@lahoucine66 You can search the entire universe and you will find that a Monday does not exist outside of the minds of man.
When we eventually colonise Mars and a man on Mars asks another "What day is it on Earth" the other would reply "Which part"
It is Monday for some and Sunday for others.
There is no such thing as a Monday in reality and the seven day week is an invention of men.
dubldeka 3 weeks ago
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lahoucine66 3 weeks ago
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zhongjinshu1 1 month ago
You also seem to ignore the religion and circumstances of Muhammad's Father, Abd' al' Lah, whilst focusing on his Uncle.
I realise that Abd' al' Lah died before Muhammad's birth, but it's important to know why Muhammad said he was going to Hell in Sahih Muslim, and also why his name was Abd' al' Lah before Muhammad's teachings.
DanGRtheMan 1 month ago
@DanGRtheMan
I don't see it as overly relevant - elucidate?
Lorientalist 1 month ago
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DanGRtheMan 1 month ago
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@Lorientalist Well, you mention Muhammad's father was called Abd' al' Lah, and the fact his name literally meant 'Slave to al' Lah' before Muhammad encouraged the worship of al' Lah certainly deserves mention. So does the fact that other close relatives were named ‘Slave to Manaf’.
I feel you focused too much on the monotheistic Judeo-christian tradition of Muhammad's Uncle, 'reinforcing' the vehement Islamic claim of Abrahamic descendency and ignoring contrary claims.
DanGRtheMan 1 month ago
I have seen the video and have a few criticism's - I may be wrong in some.
09:13 You say that Muhammed was prompted by GOD. This has no factual basis other than Old books that say so.
You speak as if your information is factual, but it is based on sources like Ibn Ishaq who wrote his biography about 100 years after Muhammad's death, + on the Islamic game of giving authority to Chinese Whispers . Also you seem to omit Ibn's unsavoury parts - forgive me if you mention more of these in part 2.
DanGRtheMan 1 month ago
@DanGRtheMan
I already established that Muhammad's visions were hallucinations, so when I said "Muhammed was prompted by GOD", it should be clear given the preamble that I don't literally mean that God spoke to him; it was just a manifestation of his subconscious.
Lorientalist 1 month ago
@Lorientalist You did not make it clear that Muhammad suffering from Hallucinations and being ‘prompted by God’ (in your own words) were the same thing.
Now, if I were to say that Tony Blair was prompted by George Bush, either I will be making a statement of opinionated belief or I will claim to make an objective one. A Skeptic wouldn’t fit into either camps!!!
DanGRtheMan 1 month ago
@Lorientalist The title itself says ‘Skeptic: The Life of Muhammad’, and through the logical inference that you approach this topic in a SKEPTICAL manner let alone objectively - your statement is severely misplaced.
An argument from you that God is Absurd anyway so cannot be taken seriously is fallacious since He cannot be disproven (plus billions believe in one - to dangerous effect in my view).
DanGRtheMan 1 month ago
damn hurry up 2000 views
bkhex 1 month ago
Very informative. Thank you.
SpookyFan 1 month ago
1000 views, comon, chop chop xD
kommissarw 1 month ago
bull-shitt
anunnakiirak 1 month ago
Lorientalist ...what do you think about Ibn Ishaq's biography of Muhammad? Is it worth reading? Isn't it the 1st full biography?
geomaze88 1 month ago
Even though I don't subscribe to islam nor believe in a lot of it's teachings, this is a GREAT documentary. Can't wait to check out the rest. Thank you.
Mikelovision 1 month ago
@Mikelovision
Thank you kindly :)
PS: I'm not a Muslim either.
Lorientalist 1 month ago
Mohammed were being attacked is common sense. You do not make-up your own religion and start recruiting and don't expect the majorities is going to let you slide. I mean take a look at the Muslim countries, you can't go in there and worship anything else but Islam or you'll be attacked.
EBKCuz 1 month ago
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ProgressiveAudio 1 month ago
@EBKCuz Well except Lebanon, Turkey and the West Bank...
ProgressiveAudio 1 month ago
great video
2nomoore 1 month ago
Kling, have you heard the story of how Muhammad realized he was a prophet and if was visited by angels or demons jinns? I heard it was Kadejah who determined he was a prophet when she had him sit on her lap and did something sexual. Reportedly she did something sexual and if there were no angels around them he was a prophet, because Satan and demons like to see 'nasty' things and angels don't, and that is how he determined he was a prophet, not demon possessed.
GroundZeroMosque 1 month ago
@GroundZeroMosque dont where you got that part from, but Khadija did not determine if Mo had become a Prophet when he rushed back home from his experience in the Cave of Hira. He was horrified about seeing and hearing Gabriel/Jibrail but Khadija led him to a distant relative named Waraqah ibn Naufal, who was a noted albeit dissident scholar of pagan Arab and semitic scriptures. He heard that story from Mo, went into a frenzy and convinced him that Mo was in fact the new Prophet
PakistaniAtheist 1 month ago
@PakistaniAtheist It was in Ibn Ishaq's Sirat Rasul Allah and Ibn Hisham's As-Seera an-Nabaviyya. I also saw it in Quran 5 by Joseph C. Codsi
GroundZeroMosque 1 month ago
@PakistaniAtheist Ibn Ishaq’s “Sirat Rasul Allah”, The Life of Muhammad, translated by A. Guillaume, p. 107: “Isma’il b. Abu Hakim, a freedman of the family of al-Zubayr, told me on Khadija’s authority that she said to the apostle of God, ‘O son of my uncle, are you able to tell me about your visitant, when he comes to you ?’ He replied that he could, and she asked him to tell her when he came. So when Gabriel came to him, as he was wont, the apostle said to Khadija....
GroundZeroMosque 1 month ago
@PakistaniAtheist continued....‘This is Gabriel who has just come to me.’ ‘Get up, O son of my uncle,’ she said, ‘and sit by my left thigh’. The apostle did so, and she said, ‘Can you see him?’ ‘Yes,’ he said. She said, ‘Then turn round and sit on my right thigh.’ He did so, and she said, ‘Can you see him?’ When he said that he could she asked him to move and sit in her lap. When he had done this she again asked if he could see him,.....
GroundZeroMosque 1 month ago
@GroundZeroMosque furthur continued....and when he said yes, she disclosed her form and cast aside her veil while the apostle was sitting in her lap. Then she said, ‘Can you see him?’ And he replied, ‘No.’ She said, ‘O son of my uncle, rejoice and be of good heart, by God he is an angel and not a satan.’”
So Khadija had convinced Muhammad that he must be seeing angels not demons cuz angels don't like to see nasty things, but demons do.
GroundZeroMosque 1 month ago
@GroundZeroMosque wow I did not know that. :-/ thanks!
PakistaniAtheist 1 month ago
@PakistaniAtheist You're welcome. I believe Kadijah was worried about Muhammad's "visions" and wanted to protect and help him because he was threatening suicide. Muhammad believed his visions were demonic and wanted to kill himself. So I believe she contacted her cousin, who was a Christian, and persuaded him to help her to help her husband. She, with the help her cousin, were possibly the people to change the course of history making Muhammad believe he was a prophet, not ill
GroundZeroMosque 1 month ago
Well you have 500 more views to go.. I can't wait.
GroundZeroMosque 1 month ago
Muhammad changed his name when he got older. His real name was not Muhammad.
GroundZeroMosque 1 month ago
@GroundZeroMosque His real name was Prince
ProgressiveAudio 1 month ago
@ProgressiveAudio lol...and then he went to that symbol that Prince uses. I think a Turkish scholar wrote an article where he mentioned Muhammad's real name.
GroundZeroMosque 1 month ago
@GroundZeroMosque I'm agnostic as to whether Muhammad actually existed, after all even some muslims agree there's not enough evidence to indicate he was a real person, but if he was, changing ones name is not too nefarious, after all it was a tradition of leaders both in Europe and the Middle East at the time.
ProgressiveAudio 1 month ago
@ProgressiveAudio Yea, I doubt he's a real person because the way people worship him more than god, his bloodline would end up being royalty and still be now.
EBKCuz 1 month ago
@EBKCuz Don't the shias believe they follow descendents of Muhammad?
ProgressiveAudio 1 month ago
It says the visions were like a mental illness was there. What is more likely? mental illness or something no one else can see or measure used him to spread the word of monotheism, but failed to tell everyone else on the planet. He married his cousin, then a child and most people thought he was crazy.
yrrals2 1 month ago
"The problem with Christians is they aren't as good as Jesus. But thank God most Muslims are better than Muhammad." ......- Wafa Sultan
swinewarrior 1 month ago
It would have been better if you explained the story through direct references to the hadiths. and Ibn Ishaq's version isn't accepted by many muslims.
But the biggest fact that you failed to mention was that this story that you narrated is acquired wholly from muslim sources. Thus it is obviously highly biased towards Muhammad. Imagine the picturea skeptic non-muslim source from that time might portray.
Rifaak 1 month ago
@Rifaak Today many Muslims are now claiming that the hadiths and Ibn Ishaq are not reliable sources. Yet this goes against the majority of the Sunni Islamic scholars. There are few IF ANY top Islamic scholar who says that the hadiths and Ibn Ishaq are false. The false claims of the hadiths and Ibn Ishaq being untrue is only a recent movement after critics started to use them against Islam. So if top Islamic scholars say they are true...you are stuck with them.
GroundZeroMosque 1 month ago
@GroundZeroMosque Correct. Muslims have the tendency of using totally unreliable hadiths if they are positive but reject factual negative ones. Like every apologist has his or her version of Aisha's age disregarding countless hadiths saying it was 9. Unless its shameless ones like Zakir Naik who declared he could give away his young daughter to a 100 year old pious man.
Rifaak 3 weeks ago 6
@Rifaak . in black africa they send little girls 2 work in other countries in coffe & chocolate fields...
lahoucine66 3 weeks ago
@Rifaak God allowed female premature marriages starting from 9 . Modern human laws restrict the minimum age of marriage to 18 years old . is that correct in your point of view ? take into consideration that god punishes 4 premarital sex , boyfriending . also take into consideration the high level of premature pregnancies & abortion in the world . in my country , poor families send their little girls 2 work in houses in cities (abuse & exploitation), in asia they send them 2 work in prostitution
lahoucine66 3 weeks ago
@lahoucine66
So because your god is an arsehole and punishes people for completely victimless 'crimes', this somehow justifies the paedophilia demonstrated in the bible? Even if it did justify it, it only does so for those gullible enough to consider such a god to be real to begin with. To us, the rational who see reality for what it is, it's just an adult male fucking a poor kid who had no choice. It's the same reason modern societies outlaw it.
Vire70 3 weeks ago
@lahoucine66 granted teens marrying may not be a big crime. But islam still allows a man of any age to marry 9 year olds. Now we're in a virtual world. Tell me, do you have the balls to come out in front of real people and say there's noting wrong if you had sex with a 9 year old. probably not. Because that's fucked up!!
Rifaak 3 weeks ago
@Rifaak there r girls who grow fast & get mature early . arabs used 2 burry their new born girls live 4 fear of shame & scandals . khalif omar before his islam burried his daughter 2 . proph muhammad prohibitted it 4 them & showed them that a younger girl can be a good wife . in poor countries , a little girl would be happy to know she is going 2 be married with an old loving man instead of being sent 2 work in houses , prostitution or in agriculture in other countries (coffee/chocolate fields)
lahoucine66 3 weeks ago
@lahoucine66 A little girl married with an old "loving" man IS child abuse AND prostitution. Muhammad prohibited infant burial - his only positive contribution to the arab world. He suggested (=promised) up to 4 women to 1 man (himself gave himself about 10 wives, and many sex slaves). Obviously, he could not allow girl infanticide! Too many kuffar men would need slaughtering... Simple mathematics.
BoredToDistraction 3 weeks ago
@BoredToDistraction The muslim claim that every one in the Pre-Islamic arabia were just finger licking happy about burying their children is false. Of course it existed as a social ill, much like there are rape and/or pedophilia in todays society. But it would be nonsensical to claim that everyone today accepted rape and pedophilia as a normal practice. Likewise, It is nonsensical to state the arabs considered infanticide as a normal practice. It is just anti-pagan propaganda
captaindisguise 3 weeks ago
@captaindisguise I'll take your word for it. Like customary marriageable age, data about infanticide in pre-islamic arabia is hard to find. Actually, since Muhammad declared anything pre- and non- islamic "jahilyah" (ignorance) and tried to erase all traces of it, pretty much all info is from muslim sources (as far as I know). I like Ali Sina & al-Rassooli's work; they are quite good at reading between the lines.
BoredToDistraction 3 weeks ago
@lahoucine66 why are you harping on the worst examples in society to justify marrying off at 9. I live in India, a poor country for the most so trust me when I say only communities that educated and empowered girls were successful, not ones that practice child marriage to let go of the 'burden'.
Rifaak 3 weeks ago
@Rifaak These worst examples in society are a fact that we cannot deny and close our eyes so as not to see them . there are such cases for which premature marriage can be a solution to save the girl . god's laws are no more accepted under the flag of modernism . these divine solution hide a wisedom behind them . just see if god'd law of cutting theiefs's hand is applied , no one in your governement would no more steal the money of indians .
lahoucine66 3 weeks ago
@lahoucine66 Pre-mature marriage can SAVE a girl? Bloody hell, can't you FEED a little girl without having SEX with her?
You know, your limb-chopping justice is just too mild, it doesn't go to the ROOT of the problem. Ultimate Divine Solution: kill ALL human beings. No more "mistakes" ever made, heartless brain-dead god happy. Sick sick sick culture.
BoredToDistraction 3 weeks ago
@BoredToDistraction
u r talking as if modern culture & laws have found solutions to human problems. up to now nothing is solved , criminality & poverty are higher & higher . god commanded obligatory charity (Zakat) which is 2.5 of your wealth every year but no one do it .
lahoucine66 3 weeks ago
@lahoucine66 Men have become MUCH LESS violent. Giving women equal power helped. Nobody starves in advanced countries. Life expectancy has shot through the roofs. Crime still takes place, but we do not torture criminals or kill them (although the US still has death penalty, unfortunately). Amputation and assassination are CRIMES too, haven't you noticed??
BoredToDistraction 3 weeks ago
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@BoredToDistraction
religion has nothing to do with poverty . proof non muslim countries in asia , black africa & all latin america .
developped countries can't live without muslims oil .
muslims put great amount of money as investements & bank deposites in western countries that can cause a collaps in their economies if they all withraw it .
NB / my former discussion about premature female marriage r just my own opinion . am not responsible 4 their accuracy .
lahoucine66 3 weeks ago
@lahoucine66 2) There is no god/s, but advanced countries give enormous sums to charity and aid without being forced or even asked, and keep muslim countries alive through trade, science, education, technology. The muslim world keeps the world crazy with its arrested development, imperialist drive, unequalled sadism and blood-thirst. I'll stop there actually. Islam overdose. Bye.
BoredToDistraction 3 weeks ago
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lahoucine66 3 weeks ago
@lahoucine66 Once again I ask you, why are you only looking at the worst conditions to support child marriage. Does not allah's law also allow a wealthy perverted man to buy off a 9 year old girl. These are supposed to be god's laws, hence they should be excellent. But that's not the case. Sharia justice is temporarily effective but what about innocents who are wrongly judged? And doesn't that do injustice to apostates who must be killed only for not following a religion.
Rifaak 3 weeks ago
@Rifaak Perhaps , female premature marriage is made as a solution 4 those worst cases in society . in poor countries , children work & don't go to school . some poor families have even 4-5-6-7 girls . premature M can't be done in all countries in all times . it's just a temporary transitional law 2 cure those cases . proof : female premature M also existed in western countries which condamn it today . 18years old minimum marriage age is not a solution in a religion which forbids premarital sex
lahoucine66 3 weeks ago
@Rifaak
in islamic shariaa , no jails are needed . every criminal will get his rewafd immidiately . jails cost governements a lot. jails in usa today are crowded that they no more imprison criminals but they let them go after they pay some money .
lahoucine66 3 weeks ago
@lahoucine66 Speaking of jails and prisons in the West in 2008;
In Britain, 11 percent of prisoners are Muslim in contrast to about 3 percent of all inhabitants, according to the Justice Ministry. Research by the Open Society Institute, an advocacy organization, shows that in the Netherlands 20 percent of adult prisoners and 26 percent of all juvenile offenders are Muslim; the country is about 5.5 percent Muslim.
GroundZeroMosque 3 weeks ago
@GroundZeroMosque
That's just what i said . this is a failure of human modern laws which r not efficient to stop criminality . jails r overcrowded in the west . with islamic shariaa no jails r needed .
u can't accuse islam of being responsible without its laws being applied !
the 1st generation of muslims in the west were righteous citizens . the 2nd & 3th generation r disobedient affected by their envirenment . drugs , riot , alcohol : things which islam forbids & punishes for !
lahoucine66 2 weeks ago
@lahoucine66 Is it the Wests fault that Muslims make up such a large amount of criminals in Western countries for their numbers? If Islam was correct then many of the children of 1st generation of Muslim immigrants should know not to do crime.
101petermeter 2 weeks ago
@101petermeter
the miracles of proph muhammad r various but u will not believe them (make google search) . example : his tribe used to pray god to give them rain (during drought) for the sake of muhammad the child . in no time the rain came .
All his biography is a miracle .
the quran is the great living miracle for an unlettered prophet.
lahoucine66 2 weeks ago
@lahoucine66 I know there is only one miracle reportedly in the Quran, that is ayat 5:41 where Muhammad reportedly split the moon. The other miracles are in the hadith...so are the hadiths true? Many Muslims when faced with problems in the hadiths claim the hadiths are not to be trusted, only the Quran is to be trusted. So using the logic than there was only ONE miracle unless you also agree with the hadiths and the problems IN the hadiths.
101petermeter 2 weeks ago
@lahoucine66 If Western countries started to punish harshly the large amounts of Muslims doing criminal acts in their countries how would the Muslim world react? They would react that those states are treating Muslims wrongly.
101petermeter 2 weeks ago
@101petermeter if shariaa is applied it should be applied for all not only for muslims .
NB : no muslim country applies shariaa
muslims's children in the west go to christian schools & are protected by westen law , so u cannot punish your child . so muslim immigrant children are the creation of the west !
lahoucine66 2 weeks ago
@lahoucine66 If you say Muslim immigrant children are the 'creation of the west'...then why do Muslims want to migrate to the West and have their children corrupted?
101petermeter 2 weeks ago
@lahoucine66 Then where is the proof that the moon was ever split?
101petermeter 2 weeks ago
@101petermeter
u have no channel , who is hiding there ? quran doesn't say Muhammad split the moon but it says the moon shrunk .
muslims immigrate to the west because their countries r governed by dictators suppoted by the west . corrupted governements . if shariaa is really applied , all governements employees will get their hands chopped . saudi arabia pretend 2 apply shariaa but the truth is that they only apply it on poor class citizens !
lahoucine66 2 weeks ago
@lahoucine66 uh, I have a channel or I would not be commenting on here. The hadiths explain in Muslim Book 039, Number 6725: This hadith has been transmitted on the authority of Abdullah b. Mas'ud (who said): We were along with Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) at Mina, that moon was split up into two. One of its parts was behind the mountain and the other one was on this side of the mountain. Allah's Messenger (may peace be upbn him) said to us: Bear witness to this.
101petermeter 2 weeks ago
@lahoucine66 More from Sahih Muslim; Book 039, Number 6726: 'Abdullah b. Mas'ud reported that the moon was split up in two parts during the lifetime of Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him). The mountain covered one of its parts and one part of it was above the mountain and Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) said: Bear witness to this.
No shrunk, but hadith says split.
101petermeter 2 weeks ago
@lahoucine66 Now that Mubarak, Gaddafi, Ali has been deposed as leaders...what is stopping them from returning or going there to help make it Sharia, that is what is happening now...so why don't they leave the West and go there...since this is the time...no?
101petermeter 2 weeks ago
@lahoucine66 So why are you saying the moon SHRUNK, when hadith says it was split? Where is the evidence that the moon was split?
101petermeter 2 weeks ago
@lahoucine66 If moon was split in two by Muhamamd and written down....why wasn't it documented by others; like Chinese, Indians, Native Americans, Europeans,Japanese, Africans or other countries and races around the world? They would've seen the moon split too because the moon is seen by millions at that time. No other people reported moon being split. So where is the other non-Islamic evidence to prove moon split?
101petermeter 2 weeks ago
@101petermeter
till now no research has been made 2 invistigate all the scripts of the world to see if some of them mention the splitted moon . we muslims don't haste cause everything comes in time . if the hadiths r correct, then the truth is only hidden somewhere . also if the miracle occured duding winter time , hardly no other regions would have seen it . once i read in a moroccan newspaper that some chinese letters found in ancient building mention it . on web i could find nothing
lahoucine66 2 weeks ago
@lahoucine66 In Belgium, Muslims from Morocco and Turkey make up at least 16 percent of the prison population, compared with 2 percent of the general populace, the research found. This prison is majority Muslim -- as is virtually every house of incarceration in France. About 60 to 70 percent of all inmates in the country's prison system are Muslim, according to Muslim leaders, sociologists and researchers, though Muslims make up only about 12 percent of the country's population.
GroundZeroMosque 3 weeks ago
@lahoucine66 So in the West, Muslims make up a large segment of the prison/jail population for their numbers.
In the USA Muslims find their best recruits for conversion in prisons.
So why are Muslims numbers so large in jail/prison compared to their general population numbers if Islam is better?
GroundZeroMosque 3 weeks ago
@lahoucine66 The fact is that Mohammed could not spread his 'religion' through persuasion and in TEN YEARS of his ministry only managed to get a few hundred devotees. It was only when he and his gang moved to Medina and they made their first raid, during the Holy Month when it was FORBIDDEN, he had a 'revelation' that excused it and had his share of the booty. From then on he and his gang of criminals started the biggest mafia organisation the world has ever seen.
ritchloui 3 weeks ago
@ritchloui Who started killing & transgressing ? Proph Muhammad started his preaching peacefully . his followers began growing in number . their tribe started torturing and killing them . proph Med sent a group of believers to a christian king in abyssinia as refuge . torture & killing continued . then they all left their lands & homes by immigrating to Almadina where they were very welcomed . it is then just that they fought to regain their land & homes .
lahoucine66 3 weeks ago
@lahoucine66 LOL. So Mohammed and his gang of murderers just 'fought to regain their land and homes'. So that would be ALL of Arabia would it? What an absolute moron. That would be when Mohammed decided that in fact he wanted his sex pest mafia to dominate the world. Hahahaha - oh yes, he just fought to regain his land and home. HAHAHAHA. Islam is the biggest criminal organisation in the world.
ritchloui 3 weeks ago
@Rifaak
Please see the script linked in the information section, which is heavily sources with hadiths as well as Ibn Is'haq.
Lorientalist 1 month ago
@Lorientalist thanks, your video is well sourced. I'm curious as to what you would say to muslims who reject Ibn Ishaq's works?
Rifaak 1 month ago
6:14, that's where the bullshit starts with Islam.
oldstock1607 1 month ago
That info about the Hunafa' is pretty revealing. I had no idea, and I used to study Middle East history.
juliaisafilmbuff123 1 month ago
Dune is sort of based off of this.
paradoarify 1 month ago
I posted this video on Google Plus and I got hammered by some big time skeptics on the accuracy of this video and had to take it down to avoid spreading inaccuracies, I am a newb at Islam, so I don't know who's correct. Chris Green on G+
trackleft1 1 month ago
@trackleft1
What kind of criticisms were levelled at this video?
Lorientalist 1 month ago
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trackleft1 1 month ago
@Lorientalist Error #1 - He was not a merchant. His first wife was. Muhammad was her aide, an errand boy. After Khadija's death, Muhammad earned his living as a thief and robber of caravans.
Error #2 - Amina, Muhammad's prostitute mother abandoned Muhammad at birth.
Error #3 - During Muhammad's youth he was not considered trustworthy, he was considered mentally unstable. His adoptive father considered him insane.
#4 - It doesn't elaborate that Muhammad stole his son's wife and bedded her.
trackleft1 1 month ago