@jobinblow not his fault though this is why they ask for permission when entering diffrent airspace's the 1 who should have a warning was the airbus there must of been a party of alarms in that cockpit i dont know why they didnt move or flashed their light that what i do when they come in my airspace but then again if they dont move ill move chicken shit doesnt exist up there or youll be grounded by the FAA Lose your license and never see it again and thank your co pilot for snitching you out
Terrible SA by the pilot in command of the fighter jet. I saw that plane from the very beginning. This idiot scared himself by not keeping his eyes outside his aircraft. You can clearly see it on the HUD and I managed to count 20 seconds before he finally saw it . What a joke.
funny thing is when your on a head on collision course with another aircraft it is very difficult to spot the aircraft because there is little to no movement catching the eyes attention. The highest danger threat is the toughest one to see.
@JPNmark I'm no pilot as well, but if we could see the contrails prior to the plane getting that close, why couldn't the fighter pilot see them and react sooner? Just curious, because it was head-on, not from the side or a different altitude.
@rustynalez I am a pilot, actually. Believe it or not, it's extremely tough to see an airplane from head on. It usually begins as a dot with no relative movement. At the speeds and altitude they were at, miles can be covered in seconds making that tiny spec turn into an airliner before you would know what hit you.
A few years ago I was flying out of Sea-Tac in Seattle eastbound via United (I think). Somewhere over Nevada while I was chatting with the passenger next to me I peripherally saw a shadow whip past the window across from my aisle. I had a feeling it was a military jet most probably a bit off his route. As I was walking past one of the pilots while unloading - excuse me, deplaning - in D.C., I asked him how close was that, figuring he knew all about it. "Effen close", he said.
You can actually start to see the contrail as a very thin line above the horizon on the right hand side of the screen at 3:16, then its obscured by the horizon indicating lines on his HUD.
@7mikethebike If you factor in wake turbulence, that was way too close. That fighter jet could have been knocked all over the place, luckily he can move fast. They were at about the same altitude, on the radar scope they would have just completely come together.
WOW!...TOTALLY amazing footage. The airliner was hidden in his horizon line in the HUD. After the near miss I heard the controller saying that it seemed his transponder wasn't working....(thus no collision alert from the ground?) What if it had been an enemy fighter? What kind of jet was this?
i believe this is a the fighter was task to VID that commercial aircraft. The same thing happen to me on my flight to Jordan from Malaysia. When we pass over a strait of hormuz, a single jet fighter streaked pass close to my plane front to back.
And all of you who are calling it a over reaction you have no idea how close they where and how fast they both were going it looks small because its pretty far but at theyre speeds the Jet liner would be really close.
He also tells his wingman to fence out as they come off range, which may well have included putting their A-A radar to standby, civvies don't like it if you emit in the wrong place...
I fly down this way all the time. Sounds like an Italian pilot in a 2 ship formation (you hear him call the other guy across and check in). Several issues, cleared to 360 by previous controller but direct to Ponza (PNZ), pilot accepts climb but rejects direct which would have given him separation. On handover to Roma controller the mode Centre height portion of his transponder appears not to be working hence him being asked to recycle several times. Part pilot's fault, part ATC...
@cptjoes oh you mean a jet making contrails with water vapor...like every other jet airplane that flies at high altitude...no such thing as chemtrails buddy
@dereklsept You can't argue with those people. High amounts of water vapor at high altitudes ? Longer trails from a hot exhaust. Atmosphere very dry,no vapor ? Little to no trails. Simple concept,but people look at me like I'M crazy when I explain it.
@eppsislike Well I'm seeing the jet or its contrail appear on the right at 3:15, not on the left at 3:30... then I see the jet clearly at about 4:01, not at the end like the description says. It just amazes me that on YouTube of all places 237 people aren't flaming the poster with obscene language for the inaccuracies in his description.
His wingman would have had a heart attack. Surprised that both pilots did not see it actually. The box does not look like another aircraft. It looks like it marks another steerpoint.
I dont know that they would have actually collided, looks like a near miss unless the tip of the fighter wing caught the top of the airliner's tail.. Lol still, he got close and the passengers definitely heard it haha
@Keys879 It looks to me like if the fighter flew steady they would never come closer than 200 feet apart at the minimum. Possibly 600 feet or more. If that is a commercial jet, the scale of it is pretty large.
I think he was tracking the aircraft that flew by, he turned after the fltby and later had the commercial aircraft in the box. There was transmissions not only from the ground but from another aircraft presumably the commercial aircraft that flew by.
@deltabtry no, he's tracking the aircraft below him (at about 3 degrees below, "in the box"), not the one that crosses him. he responded that he was squawking charlie, which should have been giving altimeter data to ATC, however he may have been handed off to ATC that didn't support mode C XPDR data. ATC also instructed him to climb to FL36. that info should have been relayed to the other ATC operators, however it wasn't. they thought he was at FL32, and thus failed to maintain seperation
I am so amazed how calm the fighter pilot is. I would be giving ATC every one of my profane remarks in my head. The only way of telling how stressed the pilot was, was by hearing him breathing more rapidly immediately after. Other than that, he was a complete professional. Europe has the most congested airspace in the would. I would like to thank the Italian military for releasing this video and you, Kristofvi for posting it.
@ElGatoLoco698 The fighter would likely not have had TCAS. However, if he had an altitude reporting transponder, the commercial jet would have picked that up and given a resolution advisory to the crew on that aircraft.
pilot handed off to roma atc on 070 @ fl 360. atc never receives radar target only radio contact. atc asks pilot reset sqauwk. atc clears pilot direct to fix w/o radar contact. atc finally receives radar target. atc thought pilot was @ fl 320 the whole time. pilot was @ fl 360 the whole time. descend now! if atc had listened closer pilot said earlier leveling @ fl 360, he shouldve caught that. maybe bad handoff by previous controller. none the less roma should have listened. controller error!
1. You're in the comfort of your home (most likely) and watching your computer screen.
2. You're expecting it and looking for it.
He, on the other hand, is flying a plane while keeping up communications. That may not sound like anything, but it actually takes a lot of brain power to keep up with everything. Flying a plane, especially a fighter, takes multitasking to a whole new level.
@m1ndfr34k117 imagine using a computer, flying, keeping communications, keeping altitude and navigation as well as equipment information in mind ALL at the same time XD.
...i wonder if that was a cuss in english or arabic XD
@m1ndfr34k117 At that particular phase they had just been "handed over" from the military air control unit (they take care of the tactical aspect of your average sortie), to the civilian air traffic control. Cockpit workload now is unlikely to truly be a factor. As they are at an altitude above FL195, they are in class C airspace, and are therefore required to follow specific orders from air traffic control, dicating heading and flight level. In other words- somebody on the ground screwed up.
@ahartov87 Cockpit workload can always be a factor. Obviously, under the circumstances which you described, it's much less-stressful than in other scenarios, there could still be a lot the pilot was doing. He could've been presetting other radio freqs, inputting new navigation data, switching Nav modes, modifying them, fumbling with radar, etc. Sure, at the end of the day; ground's fault. My point is only that it's understandable why the pilot didn't see the other plane until the last second.
Considering that they've all got active radar, you'd think combat aircraft would have a collision avoidance system like a lot of commercial aircraft...
Collision avoidance is ultimately the pilot’s responsibility in VMC, however we know from the squawk codes that this is a radar environment. ATC should have seen this, especially in class A airspace, but didn't. No instrument rated pilot keeps his head up all the time.
No one metioned theres commercial air traffic? I geuss they assume he would see it. Im sure the Pilots looking out there right saw him comming. All that air space ,the odds of having collision must be in millions. How about that German C130 and USA Star lifetr colliding 10 years ago off the coast South Africa. What are the chances of that?
@GalaticSpaceHero Unfortunately that's incorrect; there's still flight paths and routes that planes fly on which are point-to-point ground based locations. Since GPS draws routes in straight lines it can often lead to much closer calls vs. the older way of navigating which relied on honing in on radio signals and chasing a needle, a far less precise method than GPS (routes).
he was cleared to FL360 & on coarse, but he should have seen the traffic, as he was turning on coarse you can see the traffic, about 3:15 in video in upper right corner.
Mate, if we can see that mofo coming well ahead of time on this video, I agree with riskitfoabiscuit. Someone was doing anything but looking out of the canopy.
This happened near Corsica / Sardaigna, and the (Frenchà controller is one from the CDC Mont-Agel near Nice Airport. They're not really controller, it's rare for them to control, they are mainly there to check FPL and radar, and alert the appropriate guys to intercept planes. Some of them are controlling sometimes at Nice Tower, during the summer. Plus at the time, Milano CTL & Roma CTL weren't really synchronized, neither with french, nor between them. So, we could say it's just a chain.
@Grimreeper102 Pilot to ATC and visa versa seem to be in English, and they only speak in their language when it's pilot to pilot, (Each other in formation)
Based on all the problems with the transponder, perhaps ATC wasn't receiving the altitude of the fighter. That would explain why he said, "verify you're level at FL320" when he was actually at FL360. That might also explain why ATC said nothing when the two planes nearly became one.
It would be truly educational to read a factual report on this incident.
Yeah! That's about the only time the ITAF went to the merge with any other aircraft. Too bad it was a commercial airliner. hahaha One circle bastard, one circle!
@smookeepl It's normally easier for us too see because we're on the other end of the screen doing nothing else but watching. When flying an actual plane, there's a lot more that you have to pay attention to. Though you're right that it doesn't excuse the fact that he wasn't paying attention to his front.
Clearly the pilot made a mistake at about 5:35 on the clip. He responded to control when asked to confirm that he was at "three two zero", and said, no, he was at "three six zero"....which he wasn't. He was at three five zero. He should have stayed or increased altitude.
@slyder25 You're a bit wrong. He said it right, he didn't make a mistake. The altitude is on the right, airspeed is on the left and the heading is displayed by the horizontal tape running from the bottom of the airspeed to the bottom of the altitude. The altitude clearly shows him at FL360, at a speed of 252 kts on a heading of 160.
Clearly at 5:35 seconds when the pilot reports back, he makes a mistake by 1000 feet on his altitude. He reports, "three six zero", but his altitude is actually in the three five zero.
Why didn't the commercial take any action? The TCAS on the civvie would have detected a TA and then a RA whille the jet passes overhead . He should have at least descended if the target was approaching that fast
@prowlus Maybe a bit late for an anser, but here it is:
TCAS reads the Mode C data transmitted from transponders in the vicinity of the aircraft.
At 3:10 ATC says "Check your uhh, charlie mode" which I think means that ATC is not receiving Mode C data from the fighter, indicating a transponder malfunction. The commercial's ATC did not raise alarm because it didn't get the necessary data from the fighters transponder.
he would have missed it
goose8041 4 days ago
@jobinblow not his fault though this is why they ask for permission when entering diffrent airspace's the 1 who should have a warning was the airbus there must of been a party of alarms in that cockpit i dont know why they didnt move or flashed their light that what i do when they come in my airspace but then again if they dont move ill move chicken shit doesnt exist up there or youll be grounded by the FAA Lose your license and never see it again and thank your co pilot for snitching you out
Falken36Osku 1 week ago
Terrible SA by the pilot in command of the fighter jet. I saw that plane from the very beginning. This idiot scared himself by not keeping his eyes outside his aircraft. You can clearly see it on the HUD and I managed to count 20 seconds before he finally saw it . What a joke.
jobinblow 1 week ago
@jobinblow
wow you are god, so tell me god why is he sitting in that fighter and not you
sebatianize 3 days ago
funny thing is when your on a head on collision course with another aircraft it is very difficult to spot the aircraft because there is little to no movement catching the eyes attention. The highest danger threat is the toughest one to see.
msalak87 1 week ago
How can you tell an Italian fighter jet from the ground?? Its the one with hair under the wings!!!
nikitawolf2 1 week ago
if the fighter cant see a commercial jet, how is he suppose to see the enemy that wants to kill him?
macthemec 2 weeks ago
did one of the two geniuses here get hired as captain of an Italian cruise ship afterwards? ... btw, why does the fighter get assigned to fl 36000???
theglobalix 2 weeks ago
5:35 lol, ATC tells him to get the hell out of 36,000 ft because of the airliner I bet. Only a minute and a half too late.
pyro4002 2 weeks ago
MARIO!
Albert3492 3 weeks ago
I bet that guy shit his pants! Hell of a story to tell!
sandkman109 3 weeks ago
"eso me a pasado" lmao
scowley86 4 weeks ago
Was this on the skyes above Rome or in the area? They are clearly talking in Italian and with a strong accend from Rome...
cheers.
msbarsi 1 month ago
not as close as this video and others make it seem to be...yes close but no where near worth posting about...
3232mikeymike 1 month ago
@3232mikeymike Clearly you don't fly planes and don't understand that at those speeds, 6 miles can be covered in 10 seconds. That was EXTREMELY close
JPNmark 1 month ago
@JPNmark I'm no pilot as well, but if we could see the contrails prior to the plane getting that close, why couldn't the fighter pilot see them and react sooner? Just curious, because it was head-on, not from the side or a different altitude.
rustynalez 3 weeks ago
@rustynalez I am a pilot, actually. Believe it or not, it's extremely tough to see an airplane from head on. It usually begins as a dot with no relative movement. At the speeds and altitude they were at, miles can be covered in seconds making that tiny spec turn into an airliner before you would know what hit you.
JPNmark 3 weeks ago
@JPNmark ok, good to know. Thanks for the clarification.
rustynalez 2 weeks ago
A few years ago I was flying out of Sea-Tac in Seattle eastbound via United (I think). Somewhere over Nevada while I was chatting with the passenger next to me I peripherally saw a shadow whip past the window across from my aisle. I had a feeling it was a military jet most probably a bit off his route. As I was walking past one of the pilots while unloading - excuse me, deplaning - in D.C., I asked him how close was that, figuring he knew all about it. "Effen close", he said.
altoonabeme 1 month ago
You can actually start to see the contrail as a very thin line above the horizon on the right hand side of the screen at 3:16, then its obscured by the horizon indicating lines on his HUD.
xairman565 1 month ago
to me it didn't even look close. If it was close, why was the frog chatting away like nothing was wrong before and after the encounter?
7mikethebike 1 month ago
@7mikethebike If you factor in wake turbulence, that was way too close. That fighter jet could have been knocked all over the place, luckily he can move fast. They were at about the same altitude, on the radar scope they would have just completely come together.
tblountmusic 1 month ago
@7mikethebike Mate, it can't get closer. No one would have survived just one inch closer. The dude was shocked, that's why there is no more chatting.
theglobalix 2 weeks ago
some fucking fighter jet, couldn't even see a thick ass plane blazing towards it! They put a radar in that thing?
gibbsm 1 month ago
That's not a near miss; it's a near hit!
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jostmeify 1 month ago
Pilot thinking of Bunga Bunga?
Maggo309 1 month ago 2
That was a near hit.
xMKIVxVR6x 1 month ago
Wow again, controller said the wrong way point at about 2:19 or so. and therefore might have cleared him to wrong altitude.
JetMechMA 1 month ago
Wow, you can really hear a change in his voice after the near miss.
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WOW!...TOTALLY amazing footage. The airliner was hidden in his horizon line in the HUD. After the near miss I heard the controller saying that it seemed his transponder wasn't working....(thus no collision alert from the ground?) What if it had been an enemy fighter? What kind of jet was this?
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krzysg1982 1 month ago
Yes, a collision is a near miss.
Nastafar 1 month ago
i believe this is a the fighter was task to VID that commercial aircraft. The same thing happen to me on my flight to Jordan from Malaysia. When we pass over a strait of hormuz, a single jet fighter streaked pass close to my plane front to back.
lanunselat 1 month ago
@4merlinn1 no
lokye40 1 month ago
@lokye40 You know, if your nearly miss something, you didn't quite miss it.
Bob: "Holy shit, those planes flew right into each other! That wanker didn't turn quite fast enough!"
Bill: "You're right! They nearly missed each other..."
jwalker477 1 month ago
And all of you who are calling it a over reaction you have no idea how close they where and how fast they both were going it looks small because its pretty far but at theyre speeds the Jet liner would be really close.
518735 1 month ago
LOL i see the plane then all of a sudden BEEEP i somehow find that funny
518735 1 month ago
Yeah, a little over reaction. He never came close. He probably had hi head buried in the instruments and looked up and reacted. Oh well.
dumbenoughou812 1 month ago
over reaction much haha...
bushpigification 1 month ago
Someone needs to look up now and then.
Bkeytx 1 month ago
Im wondering why ATC didnt say a word about the oncoming aircraft..?
CA1CWilliams 1 month ago
3:55 for anybody looking to cut to the cahse.
ThatOneMarxman 2 months ago 22
@ThatOneMarxman Fighter pilots a little slow on the draw, aren't they? If that was a fighter jet oncoming, they would have been toast.
saucierdavid8109 4 weeks ago
Christ, he must've pulled some G's breaking away from that one.
dantheman1432 2 months ago
@dantheman1432 3,6 g it is on a f16 fighter aircraft
dogworsje 1 month ago
holy shit! Not good.
alwalk21 2 months ago
over reacten
slipknot23ism 2 months ago
WOW!
flyteman 2 months ago
He also tells his wingman to fence out as they come off range, which may well have included putting their A-A radar to standby, civvies don't like it if you emit in the wrong place...
ashtonmark24 2 months ago
Oh and fighters generally don't have TCAS!
ashtonmark24 2 months ago
I fly down this way all the time. Sounds like an Italian pilot in a 2 ship formation (you hear him call the other guy across and check in). Several issues, cleared to 360 by previous controller but direct to Ponza (PNZ), pilot accepts climb but rejects direct which would have given him separation. On handover to Roma controller the mode Centre height portion of his transponder appears not to be working hence him being asked to recycle several times. Part pilot's fault, part ATC...
ashtonmark24 2 months ago 2
0:57 - 1:03 sounds like Borat talking through the mic....LOL
treezy333 2 months ago
watch?v=sjdD-Xx9r-M skip to 0:20
evilassaultweaponeer 2 months ago
It looked like a Chemtrail jet he almost hit. Maybe he should have used his stinger instead of turning
cptjoes 2 months ago
@cptjoes oh you mean a jet making contrails with water vapor...like every other jet airplane that flies at high altitude...no such thing as chemtrails buddy
dereklsept 2 months ago
@dereklsept You can't argue with those people. High amounts of water vapor at high altitudes ? Longer trails from a hot exhaust. Atmosphere very dry,no vapor ? Little to no trails. Simple concept,but people look at me like I'M crazy when I explain it.
av8or757 2 weeks ago
@cptjoes I hope this is a joke, as dereklsept said, contrails are common. By the way, Stinger missiles are shoulder fired.
fadedflage 2 months ago
how is this a near miss? A near miss would mean they hit but almost missed. A near hit is more appropriate.
Scoggs117 2 months ago
@Scoggs117 cunt
ramboormark 2 months ago
@MrBeefaroo AGREED!!!
darkangel0099 2 months ago
4:00
EngrishSongs 2 months ago 4
2:07 " gay " =D
LPuncture 2 months ago
This must be KSAN and North Island mishap.
Axmedkoole 2 months ago
ooooops
soolerman 2 months ago
I can just imagine the inside of that plane... xD
xXL3GITAMACYXx1 2 months ago
It looks like the artificial horizon in the hud obscured his view of the other plane
haddock75 2 months ago
was the pilot looking out ffs ?
stately1967 2 months ago
How is he planning to find bandits, he cant even see comercial plane LOL
OttoVonStrunf 3 months ago 2
i bet the pilots in the airliner shit bricks
umpalumpa101909 3 months ago
holy shit!!
goofynewfie12 3 months ago
Am I missing something? The description does not seem to match the video at all.
Fuzzybeanerizer 3 months ago
@Fuzzybeanerizer It is correct by me though, I saw the contrail (dark UFO like spot) on the horizon.
eppsislike 3 months ago
@eppsislike Well I'm seeing the jet or its contrail appear on the right at 3:15, not on the left at 3:30... then I see the jet clearly at about 4:01, not at the end like the description says. It just amazes me that on YouTube of all places 237 people aren't flaming the poster with obscene language for the inaccuracies in his description.
Fuzzybeanerizer 3 months ago
OK he didn't see it coming but what about the air controller and his radar?
tayaraaktube 3 months ago
His wingman would have had a heart attack. Surprised that both pilots did not see it actually. The box does not look like another aircraft. It looks like it marks another steerpoint.
Anthonychua1982 3 months ago
I dont know that they would have actually collided, looks like a near miss unless the tip of the fighter wing caught the top of the airliner's tail.. Lol still, he got close and the passengers definitely heard it haha
Keys879 3 months ago
@Keys879 It looks to me like if the fighter flew steady they would never come closer than 200 feet apart at the minimum. Possibly 600 feet or more. If that is a commercial jet, the scale of it is pretty large.
Fuzzybeanerizer 3 months ago
I think he was tracking the aircraft that flew by, he turned after the fltby and later had the commercial aircraft in the box. There was transmissions not only from the ground but from another aircraft presumably the commercial aircraft that flew by.
deltabtry 4 months ago
@deltabtry no, he's tracking the aircraft below him (at about 3 degrees below, "in the box"), not the one that crosses him. he responded that he was squawking charlie, which should have been giving altimeter data to ATC, however he may have been handed off to ATC that didn't support mode C XPDR data. ATC also instructed him to climb to FL36. that info should have been relayed to the other ATC operators, however it wasn't. they thought he was at FL32, and thus failed to maintain seperation
jonjoy1999 3 months ago
What was this pilot looking at?!
futilityroom 4 months ago
Holy shit!!, you can just imagine the pilot of that commercial jet frantically looking for the horn lol.
123backinyerface 4 months ago 3
Ooops. I hope someone learned from this.
StopSpamming1 4 months ago
really? I'd say a near hit
Fsimfreak 4 months ago
Aboopa peepa oh shita boeinga I take-a shitta.
81flyinbrian 4 months ago
De Pinga!!!!
jonny2387 4 months ago
great air traffic control, fly on a constant baring at the same altitude please....if you crash, dont call me........
Lav25th1 4 months ago
dumb a** pilot!
willettgarrett2 4 months ago
I am so amazed how calm the fighter pilot is. I would be giving ATC every one of my profane remarks in my head. The only way of telling how stressed the pilot was, was by hearing him breathing more rapidly immediately after. Other than that, he was a complete professional. Europe has the most congested airspace in the would. I would like to thank the Italian military for releasing this video and you, Kristofvi for posting it.
Dr. Ron
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segundooron
segundooron 4 months ago
The way how that sound s it's like ATC fucked up with liner and the fighter simple.
miraget3549 4 months ago
The way it was hidden behind the HUD graphics .......!
kizitoutube 4 months ago 2
he saw it...was just banking away from turbulence vortex thats all
MovieMad007 4 months ago
his a/a radar looks on why didnt that airliner show up on his radar
janssen70 4 months ago
hahahah @ french controllers english
a155099 4 months ago
Don't they have TCAS?
ElGatoLoco698 4 months ago
@ElGatoLoco698 The fighter would likely not have had TCAS. However, if he had an altitude reporting transponder, the commercial jet would have picked that up and given a resolution advisory to the crew on that aircraft.
SARDiverDave 1 month ago
he really wasn't that close, unless you see the other pilot waving your fine lol
najnick 4 months ago
pilot handed off to roma atc on 070 @ fl 360. atc never receives radar target only radio contact. atc asks pilot reset sqauwk. atc clears pilot direct to fix w/o radar contact. atc finally receives radar target. atc thought pilot was @ fl 320 the whole time. pilot was @ fl 360 the whole time. descend now! if atc had listened closer pilot said earlier leveling @ fl 360, he shouldve caught that. maybe bad handoff by previous controller. none the less roma should have listened. controller error!
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csween86 5 months ago
no TCAS?
THEMAN080 5 months ago
...nothing to report.......SHIT!!!
wildriveful 5 months ago 3
How did he not see that coming? I saw it coming and I'm watching it on a low res video lol.
ValhallaAwaitsU 5 months ago
@ValhallaAwaitsU You saw it coming because:
1. You're in the comfort of your home (most likely) and watching your computer screen.
2. You're expecting it and looking for it.
He, on the other hand, is flying a plane while keeping up communications. That may not sound like anything, but it actually takes a lot of brain power to keep up with everything. Flying a plane, especially a fighter, takes multitasking to a whole new level.
m1ndfr34k117 5 months ago 45
@m1ndfr34k117 fair point
hookiebookie1 5 months ago
@m1ndfr34k117 I do that every day. :D Nice words!
Maxi22022000 3 months ago
@m1ndfr34k117 imagine using a computer, flying, keeping communications, keeping altitude and navigation as well as equipment information in mind ALL at the same time XD.
...i wonder if that was a cuss in english or arabic XD
loktono 3 months ago
@m1ndfr34k117 At that particular phase they had just been "handed over" from the military air control unit (they take care of the tactical aspect of your average sortie), to the civilian air traffic control. Cockpit workload now is unlikely to truly be a factor. As they are at an altitude above FL195, they are in class C airspace, and are therefore required to follow specific orders from air traffic control, dicating heading and flight level. In other words- somebody on the ground screwed up.
ahartov87 3 months ago
@ahartov87 Cockpit workload can always be a factor. Obviously, under the circumstances which you described, it's much less-stressful than in other scenarios, there could still be a lot the pilot was doing. He could've been presetting other radio freqs, inputting new navigation data, switching Nav modes, modifying them, fumbling with radar, etc. Sure, at the end of the day; ground's fault. My point is only that it's understandable why the pilot didn't see the other plane until the last second.
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denhou1974 1 month ago
they saw it coming.. judging from wat they were saying.. they actually said to each other.. "is he passing in between us?" and then they realised!
Giallo007 5 months ago
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pc6pilot 5 months ago
Considering that they've all got active radar, you'd think combat aircraft would have a collision avoidance system like a lot of commercial aircraft...
spankeyfish 5 months ago
Near miss did he hit?
Shadowbeast7865 5 months ago
what if that was a missle? isnt there like a on comin missle warnin for these fighter jets?
rootiest 5 months ago
"Is that a plane?"
"Copy?"
"I think thats a plane"
"FUCK!"
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Wimp.com would start it at 3:48
macsdestroypcs 5 months ago
country the pilot and the people on his radio from?
Spidercow4735 5 months ago
@Spidercow4735 Might be French
SilverPulp 5 months ago
@Spidercow4735 Actualy pilot from Italy and radio from France
SilverPulp 5 months ago
@SilverPulp Italian AF. ATC is out of "Roma"= Rome.
TheVet1971 5 months ago
the military jet has a radar system which can be used like the TCAS system on comercial jets, stupid pilot from the military
skidz1211 6 months ago
Collision avoidance is ultimately the pilot’s responsibility in VMC, however we know from the squawk codes that this is a radar environment. ATC should have seen this, especially in class A airspace, but didn't. No instrument rated pilot keeps his head up all the time.
keithacoustic86 6 months ago 3
No one metioned theres commercial air traffic? I geuss they assume he would see it. Im sure the Pilots looking out there right saw him comming. All that air space ,the odds of having collision must be in millions. How about that German C130 and USA Star lifetr colliding 10 years ago off the coast South Africa. What are the chances of that?
GalaticSpaceHero 6 months ago
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foxtrot789 4 months ago
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@GalaticSpaceHero Unfortunately that's incorrect; there's still flight paths and routes that planes fly on which are point-to-point ground based locations. Since GPS draws routes in straight lines it can often lead to much closer calls vs. the older way of navigating which relied on honing in on radio signals and chasing a needle, a far less precise method than GPS (routes).
foxtrot789 4 months ago
@ 4:00
NscaleAmtrak 6 months ago 2
he was cleared to FL360 & on coarse, but he should have seen the traffic, as he was turning on coarse you can see the traffic, about 3:15 in video in upper right corner.
130CrewDawd 6 months ago
Near miss? its a NEAR HIT! a collision is a near miss.
GTXMAN 6 months ago
@GTXMAN I'm sure he means it as a miss that was nearly a hit. But you are right.
TheRedbikemaster 6 months ago
Mate, if we can see that mofo coming well ahead of time on this video, I agree with riskitfoabiscuit. Someone was doing anything but looking out of the canopy.
smeary10 6 months ago
This happened near Corsica / Sardaigna, and the (Frenchà controller is one from the CDC Mont-Agel near Nice Airport. They're not really controller, it's rare for them to control, they are mainly there to check FPL and radar, and alert the appropriate guys to intercept planes. Some of them are controlling sometimes at Nice Tower, during the summer. Plus at the time, Milano CTL & Roma CTL weren't really synchronized, neither with french, nor between them. So, we could say it's just a chain.
alphajet2145 6 months ago
In the old days, before glass cockpits, HUD's and mode C TCAS the saying was
"Pilots wise, roll their eyes"
or
Plane has version 20.x software, ATC Radar has version 99.x software, but only version 1.0 Outside can cause you to put a brown spot on the seat.
:-)
Sarge714 7 months ago
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rnzafdude 8 months ago
I don't see why the pilot would have been suspended. Not his fault.
Cause it seems to me that a whole heap of latent mechanical/management errors and active human error is the root of this.
2:00 "Passing 330 for 360" Altimeter shows FL316 (Someone correct me if it's using the Radar Altimeter, not Pressure)
2:49 "[...] Leveling off 360" 3:20 "[...] 360" Someone mentioned ATC not receiving altitude. Pilot verbalises Levelling off 360 and ATC confirms it
3:10 "Check your uhh, charlie mode"
5:06
rnzafdude 8 months ago
excuse my ignorance, but shouldn't they be speaking english cause it's like the language that NATO or whoever uses?
Grimreeper102 8 months ago
@Grimreeper102 Pilot to ATC and visa versa seem to be in English, and they only speak in their language when it's pilot to pilot, (Each other in formation)
That's what it seems to me.
rnzafdude 8 months ago
damn , it start +- 3:54
that was really really close .
CohenAviran 9 months ago
This wasn't a "near miss". He wasn't nearly missed. He was completely missed. This was a "near hit", since they nearly, but didn't, hit each other.
bobbyjustbobby1 9 months ago
impressionante..questo video non durerà molto sul web!!
fibbrokkio 9 months ago
Based on all the problems with the transponder, perhaps ATC wasn't receiving the altitude of the fighter. That would explain why he said, "verify you're level at FL320" when he was actually at FL360. That might also explain why ATC said nothing when the two planes nearly became one.
It would be truly educational to read a factual report on this incident.
coma13794 9 months ago
@coma13794 makes sense.
stefankozma 8 months ago
Mamma fucking Mia!!!!!!
eddiebruv 9 months ago 32
Yeah! That's about the only time the ITAF went to the merge with any other aircraft. Too bad it was a commercial airliner. hahaha One circle bastard, one circle!
Timmy2384 9 months ago
that wasnt even close
Aryanpars 10 months ago
luke i am your fatha! ( heavy breathing )
southwest1998 10 months ago
That was good..he shits his pants..took him a while to see it
RangerBandit77 11 months ago
Durp-de-durp..de...OH SHIT!
osumbuckeyenut 11 months ago
is he fucking blind? It's easy to spot this plane a minute before he realises that, jeeez
even when it's low quality video :/
smookeepl 11 months ago
@smookeepl It's normally easier for us too see because we're on the other end of the screen doing nothing else but watching. When flying an actual plane, there's a lot more that you have to pay attention to. Though you're right that it doesn't excuse the fact that he wasn't paying attention to his front.
anongos 10 months ago
@smookeepl He was distracted with the transponder settings, remember he has to look down and right(normally) to set the transponder codes...
bond2010 10 months ago
Clearly the pilot made a mistake at about 5:35 on the clip. He responded to control when asked to confirm that he was at "three two zero", and said, no, he was at "three six zero"....which he wasn't. He was at three five zero. He should have stayed or increased altitude.
slyder25 11 months ago
@slyder25 You're a bit wrong. He said it right, he didn't make a mistake. The altitude is on the right, airspeed is on the left and the heading is displayed by the horizontal tape running from the bottom of the airspeed to the bottom of the altitude. The altitude clearly shows him at FL360, at a speed of 252 kts on a heading of 160.
DeutscheRitter1 10 months ago 2
@slyder25 @slyder25 a plane doesn't actually fly at the correct altitude, for say it doesn't stay a constant 36000, it fluctuates -or+ 500or so
DJFiFTY24 10 months ago
Clearly at 5:35 seconds when the pilot reports back, he makes a mistake by 1000 feet on his altitude. He reports, "three six zero", but his altitude is actually in the three five zero.
slyder25 11 months ago
@slyder25 a plane doesn't actually fly at the correct altitude, for say it doesn't stay a constant 36000, it fluctuates -or+ 500or so
DJFiFTY24 10 months ago
That was awesome!
mobius1aic 11 months ago
wake up ya frog!
griffy1988 11 months ago
whad a mistaka to maka !
wooders1000 11 months ago
maybe they forgot radar on the jet?
grimm61111 11 months ago
lol we dont need stealth planes anymore....!!
jNS278 1 year ago
i saw that thing coming a mile away and he turned at the last second...lol
lbomb8 1 year ago
East is odd (FL35). West is "best" (FL36...).
Chuckjagermeister 1 year ago
aww they weren't even close to hitting! lame.
bbender1986 1 year ago
I don't see the air plane, can you help me out, guys?
MichiganFann 1 year ago
@MichiganFann its on 4:00
TheAmishHirani 1 year ago
@TheAmishHirani thanks, i saw it and was like Oh Shit haha
MichiganFann 1 year ago
@MichiganFann
you are strong candidate for flying this fighter-jet too XD
greatestdirector 11 months ago
Why didn't the commercial take any action? The TCAS on the civvie would have detected a TA and then a RA whille the jet passes overhead . He should have at least descended if the target was approaching that fast
prowlus 1 year ago
@prowlus Maybe a bit late for an anser, but here it is:
TCAS reads the Mode C data transmitted from transponders in the vicinity of the aircraft.
At 3:10 ATC says "Check your uhh, charlie mode" which I think means that ATC is not receiving Mode C data from the fighter, indicating a transponder malfunction. The commercial's ATC did not raise alarm because it didn't get the necessary data from the fighters transponder.
11past2 8 months ago