Scientology: Clearwater City Meeting - Statue for Gabe

[Kirnberger1]

Loren Westenberger died November 5, 2011 at his cottage in Brooksville, Florida

In the last years of his life, he privately withdrew his support for scientology and joined the Unity Church in Clearwater. He worked as a volunteer for a community radio station for many years.

RIP Loren.

[TheBobbsey]

@Kirnberger1 Thanks for the information.

[LarNor89]

Can you imagine the look on Miscavige's face IF indeed a statue of Gabe would have been raised in the middle of Clearwater?

[HateFenians]

Has anyone ever joined Scientology and just pointed and laugh in their faces?

[Baeloth]

It's amazing that he never presents himself as a $cientologist but rather as a third party observer. I call bs!

[HRRyan2]

i think you mean persecution mr. ordained minister. he's obviously someone who knows nothing of $cientology.

[toryluvslrh2]

All that crying and then you get arrested. God I love when ethics go in. Anon has started a Bail drive for you Mark so you can get out faster next time.

[Bodatiousfilms]

Haha, no one clapped for the second guy.

Probably because nobody loves him. Not even L.Ron

[LFraudHubbard]

cult

[Chris123234]

Did God defend religion from prosecution from the Devil when he took it to court? HAHAHAHAHA What a stupid, stupid dunce.

[ravepuppie]

The only aything that holds scientology apart from true 'cult' status are matching jump suits and a kool-aid party!

[RAQDES]

One statue is not enough.

[LFraudHubbard]

^see above!!

[Hayes611]

If you are talking to a scientologist and his/her lips are moving then he/she is lying. They honestly believe what they are saying because of the 1000s of hours of indoctrination. It is sad that this cult is recognized as a religion by the US.

[kreskinkun]

Also, the irony of him erroneously saying "religious prosecution" is pretty amusing considering the Church's courtroom behavior.

[kreskinkun]

Why yes, Loren Westenberger, you rugged would-be Jon Goodman clone, people taking advantage of their freedom of speech to voice distaste for Scientology's behavior are obviously no different than those who would kill Christians en masse thousands of years ago. Compare Christianity (becoming Catholicism) and its eventual state-endorsement by the mega-power that was Rome, to Scientology in the modern day, and I think we can all thank whatever we believe in that the same thing won't happen again.

[Merchant111]

Mark, who is the guy that always comes behind you every time you do this?

[XENUTV]

Scientologist Loren Westenberger would get up and speak. He would always try to make it look like he was an uninvolved third party who just had to speak up for the kindly Scientologists in town but he never would say, "I'm a Scientologist and I'M offended because..."

[Merchant111]

I figured as much, It seems quite obvious too. Have you been making much progress in the battle against

Scientology?

[XENUTV]

The internet is Scientology's Waterloo. They are dwindling.

[Merchant111]

How can I aid in the decline of $cientology?

[XENUTV]

Go to xenu dot net and click on "How to Support"

[Merchant111]

Thanks, I'll check it out

[Dicecube78]

Jews, Christianity, what is he talking about? This guy is an asshole...

[sugarplumscookies]

When I first happened on to the Co$ videos on youtube a few days ago, I was fascinated. I left funny, snide comments. But jeez, this isn't funny. This is terrifying. To see what they've done to Bob Minton and so many others. Mark, stay strong.

[sz42781]

yo mark whos that black dude you pickett with sometimes, lol none of them sci creeps fuck with him lol, its funnie the one scientologist was reading his wrap sheet and its said he was growing pot LOL . Thats soo innocent compared to what these creeps do. You gotta get more vids with the black guy, and zinge.

[XENUTV]

His name is Jesse Prince and he was a high level member of Scientology. They hired a black PI to befriend him at a bar and he gave some pot to Jesse and his girlfriend and came to his house to smoke it with them. Then he alerted the police and Jesse's home was raided. Jesse stood trial. We tracked down the PI. He had to testify. Jesse was found not guilty.

tinyurl dot com/2ov3yt

[sz42781]

Awsome. A few years ago me and my mother whent into some center in ny.I saw the comic books and did some tests, played with the e-meter.They showed us this film and it was the creepyest thing,basically it said your life can be like this and they showed some guy picking up a gun guess to shoot himself or like this with us, all happy. can u get the film

[XENUTV]

That is Scientology's property. Someone put a bootleg version online a while back and it was removed pretty fast. It's the Scientology "Orientation" film.

[sz42781]

yeh I was watching it, they had this little theater and I was cracking up so loud. Cause it was so bogus!

[RAQDES]

Poor Chris,you have to laugh.

[ChrisKalhoun]

Here's the deal. A) The truth is all around us and LRH only states that he has gathered it to allow us to help ourselves to greater heights.B) Like any organization, they need to have some income to maintain the administration needed to deliver the technology. Scientology is no different C.) Know and study your enemies, if you see things for yourself instead of buying in to all the propaganda on here, you'll know that attacking something that is good will be your undoing. Karma people.

[sz42781]

Are you the guy who got his foot stepped on? YOur a raceist and sexist

[lanre82]

nigeria!!!!thats not true, there is nothing like scientology in nija...nigerian's dont know what that is mean....lol

[hondo1188]

another slam dunk for MarkBunker.

welp, the same old song and dance from the man in denim. (sigh) hitler, KKK blahblahblah.

if MarkBunker had a beef with the Church of Christ, he'd have started that campaign long ago. hehe. but the Co$ is clearly not a religion. it's totally like Heavens Gate, or The Branch Davidians.

[takerdust]

and the scary thing is, Loren Westenberger is probably one of the more peaceful of the Scientologists...

[henryzx]

back in 1994 I was almost join their cult...glad I didn't ... these people always talk in a "robotic" "souless" manner, when you listen to the way scientologist talk as if you're listen to a tape recorder ...sick..!

[odinindahouse]

all the sudden, ppl that feel the threat from the "satanic cult of the church of scientolgy" are not the vitims but the agressors? to say, that they are afraid of scientology makes them "fair game". to say that it is like it was in nazi germany is correct though, just the other way around. scientology are nazis and of the devil just as hitler was. there goal is to bring every ex-scientolgist to justice by putting them in the "concentration camp of scientologist persecution!"

[odinindahouse]

the second speaker was embaresed by his german backround,because no one stood up and said THATS WRONG.where were his forefathers when a jewish charter ship was sent back to germany,and did not give the jews aboared asylum?how about slavery?where was scientology when the cia trained osama bin laden,or when the usa armed and supported saddam in irak? well,i guess mistakes have been,eh?still,that doesnt change the fact that scientology is a satanic cult!

[odinindahouse]

well, second speech showed that democracy doesnt work. his stories were false to, since the poles were attacked by germany in the late 30's not the early. polish ppl PLUS jews, not like he said just polish jews. you may ask:"does that really matter?", no! i feel that no one should ever be killed for reasons like race, gender, age,nationality, IQ or backround. it proves though that all "TRUTH's" od scientolgy are wage, just as a satanic cult would be!

[bazza2005]

Ive a GOOD idea lets make up a stupid religion, get lots of celebrities to endorse it and capitalise on the exploitation of our followers! we are the ultimate money grabbers

[RoninDave]

I noticed in other videos a number of critics have criminal records in Clearwater such as trespassing and most suspiciosly drug possession. Seems a bit strange

[jurrk]

I've noticed that the Cult of Scientology likes to bring false charges up on anyone who sees through their PR. Also read the REAL history on that crook Hubbards and Hitler they're strikingly similar

[jurrk]

that's why he belived you should "always attack" "never defend" because he knew if he ever had to defend himself he'd be screwed.

that's why he fleed the country when "operation snow white" came to light rather then face the charges with some honor like many of those so called criminals you mentioned

[RoninDave]

What I was referring to was that these charges seem trumped up - and the drug possession bit I wouldn't doubt was planted. PArt of the defamation of character. These guys are evil.

[mgk22]

and scientology have many criminals in hiding Hubbard was one of them and illegal invasion of privacy and what not

[putittogether]

WOW

[teds444]

Must watch this video....

'Scientology Attacks its Enemies'

[Nofarewell]

Obviously the second speech intended to change the topic from the real point, what is: this "church" is against anybody who supports free speech. Their methods is not unfamiliar: in Hungary it's he same. I feel sorry for Bob and I hope he'll get rid of them as soon as possible. No matter what and how they try to change the topic, the facts remain.

[Nofarewell]

The second speech is simply disgraceful.1.: Scientology is not a religion. If you can keep your religion when you join in, how can it be? 2.Talking about the KKK and the nazi party is very shameful, because THEIR methods are used by scientologyst. The prosecutions against scientology equals the former prosecution against blacks or jews? Out of sense. Scientology is not prosecuted because it's a religion. It's prosecuted because it's the most ruthless, cruel greedy cult.

[b65768]

last time I was robbed it was by a black man not a scientologist dont fuck with scientology and I guarantee you they wont fuck with you

[putittogether]

WOW this guy is a nut job

[egfearless]

the second speaker needs a dictionary.

prosecution = persecution

[madmaxgru]

Scientologyst "the second speaker" is a freaking liar just like most of them!!! No scientologyst have been hurt up untill now, instead people were hurt by scientology... if you want to talk religion, KKK and Nazi parties are supressed, just like scientology supose to be.

[Jacktj]

How is a monument of a man hurt religion. teachers are fired for saying there Christians that is persecution.

[beverins]

Loren Westenburger is clearly a shill. A shame that such robotic and stupid people exist. How DARE he compare this to Nazi Germany?

[dechha1981]

If you slam the door in the face of both door-to-door salesmen and Mormons, is that discrimination?

If a mugger and a religious fanatic both kill someone, and both recieve the exact same punishment, is that discrimination?

If an unrequited lover and a Scientologist both commit the exact same crimes (stalking, harrasment, etc) why should the Scientologist be shown any more mercy than the stalker?

[hondo1188]

well said.

[dechha1981]

I've said it before to a Scientologist and I'll say it again; Look up the dictionary definition of "Terrorism".

[katsandouk]

and why shall Scientologists do this?

[dechha1981]

Because useing threats, fear or violence for a political and/or religious cause, such as threatening to sue or trying to intimidate people etc, is the dictionary definition of terrorism.

[dechha1981]

Yeah right.

It's not the same thing at all. The Jews were just ordinary people trying to get on with their lives. They never tried to take over the Nazi party (like the CoS did to CAN).

What are you trying to defend? Stalking? Harrassment? Planting lawyers? Relentles sueing? Framing people? Having no concience? If THIS is what you're defending, if THIS is the part of Scientology that they hold sacred, then absolutely perseciute them.

[hondo1188]

amen.

[brandonisgod]

...also, Scientology was 'prosecuted'... and convicted... and sentenced. Definetely a poor choice of words.

[brandonisgod]

Westenberger's argument is teribly weak. How can representatives from a convicted organization compare their difficulties with the Fathers of Christianity? I am truly dumbfounded by this analogy. I also can't help but offering this constructive criticism to Westengberger: I your argument would be better served by the word 'persecution'. It would be false, though.

[hondo1188]

agreed. the analogy is pathetic.

[XENUTV]

By the way, I was very pleased when I dropped by later in the week to visit with Gabe Cazares, the former mayor of Clearwater. He and his wife had been watching this meeting live on TV and were surprised and tickled that I called for a statue in his honor!

[XENUTV]

He was referring to the second man to speak on the video. The room was packed with people getting commendations from the city. No one was listening as I started but the crowd started to shush one another and pay attention. Westenberger would speak to blunt my words at several of these meetings but he NEVER said he was a Scientologist. Feeling a little ashamed, possibly.

[Pikaa2]

you're the dumb ass, Joshiahcampbell! So what if he compared scientology to the holocaust? Scientology is dangerous and he is uncovering the violence and behavior of this CULT. Don't be stupid!

[gurutruth]

Wow, listen to the applause as Mr. Bunker goes to sit down! I wonder how the citizens of Clearwater feel today...

[Frieda18]

This is so ridiculous. Scientology is the one persecuting people, and LMT is just trying to help people out of it. I want to know what has happened in Clearwater since 2001, if anything.

[josiahcampbell]

Loren Westenberger is full of crap, He is just trying to legitimize the activities of the church and make it look like they are the victims. This tall glass of dumbass is seriously trying to compare scientology to the holocaust, as though they have lost great numbers of followers to a violent act of hate. They get tax free money and they are crying, hold on a second while I hold my belly and laugh.

[hondo1188]

you hit the nail on the head.