I believe the sincerity of these women in their motives but they seem to think the Wall is some kind of Hillel center at Cambridge or UCLA. The halakhists are not "sensitive" to their issues and take a dim view of American notions of separation of Church and State. The good doctor is outraged that Israeli Chareidim are not "embracing the other" in the American tradition of diversity but she fails to realize the Wall Women are not in America. This is a case of hubris confronting hysterics
Women are commanded to wear a Tallit, in fact there is a debate in Talmud on weather a woman must say the Brakha before putting on Tzitziyot or not. I left Conservatism as it was getting to Liberal, I am now Orthodox, I am also an avid Supporter of Kolech, there are some within Orthodoxy who not only welcome women to lay Tefilin and wear Tallitot, but also call them up to the Bimah and even daven services. There are even some Shuls who have the M'chitzah that go up to the Bimah.
In Israel it's not so accepted in communities. So it's partly against the minhag haMakom. And so prayer is not only a personal thing. Pluralistic often meant within 1 Synagogue it was devided into a Sephardi, Ashkenazi and Italian section, to create order.
So also woman where given another place to pray with shawl in this case.
In basic Halacha on Midrash Level it's not forbidden for women and there is not much debate about that. Talmud Jerushalmi supports it. But communities might not like
Interesting... Hashem seeks not the appearance of a person, but the heart or soul of that person. A women can wear a short skirt and still love Hashem.. sometimes women wearing the long skirts are the worse ones that are filled with sin and contempt against the living G-D... let us not judge anyone, but allow humans to be who they are and let G-D do the conviction... Goodness she was praying!!! this is an insult
no one can tell a person what to do in private but in public it is different. kvodah bat melech penima, the honor of the daughter of the king should be hidden. It is like a man who says he does not want to put on a kipa when going to the kotel.or a woman who would say I want to worship Hashem with with her short pants or skirt.
Sephardic Jew here. As far as I know, the western wall is a public place. I don't think this is a religious issue anymore; it's a human rights issue. Do Israeli women have the same rights as their male counterparts? What about women's right to freedom of expression? Isn't this aptitude toward women a sort of religious segregation?. What's next? Are they going to force women to sit in the back of the public buses, like the KKK used to do with blacks in the segregated states? Shalom
@RabinoBoricuaVirtual They do have Buses for the Religious with Separate entrances for men and women as well as separate seating in ha'aretz. I take it yo have never been home yet? I am Sephardi, Observant and for womens religious rights (I defected from Conservative Judaism as it got to liberal for my liking I am however still egalitarian in all things [I am egalitarian Orthodox]). You do make a good point Rabbi!
@RabinoBoricuaVirtual Yep thats exactly whats been happening back in israel, middle eastern men are very sexists so dont be surprised and theyre not gonna stop being a sexists, theyre sexists before and today and tomorrow and forever if they can, its a TRADITION for them!!!
I believe the sincerity of these women in their motives but they seem to think the Wall is some kind of Hillel center at Cambridge or UCLA. The halakhists are not "sensitive" to their issues and take a dim view of American notions of separation of Church and State. The good doctor is outraged that Israeli Chareidim are not "embracing the other" in the American tradition of diversity but she fails to realize the Wall Women are not in America. This is a case of hubris confronting hysterics
IanHunedoara8 8 months ago
I sat in a lecture where a Rabbi told us that women were discouraged from doing any public role because men dont want to do it if a woman does.
So the prohibition of a woman being able to read from the Torah or wearing garments is for the mens pride, so it is not hurt. I am sa of this.
A woman got beaten for having Tefilin marks too. Such a shame.
GavriellaMichal 1 year ago
Women are commanded to wear a Tallit, in fact there is a debate in Talmud on weather a woman must say the Brakha before putting on Tzitziyot or not. I left Conservatism as it was getting to Liberal, I am now Orthodox, I am also an avid Supporter of Kolech, there are some within Orthodoxy who not only welcome women to lay Tefilin and wear Tallitot, but also call them up to the Bimah and even daven services. There are even some Shuls who have the M'chitzah that go up to the Bimah.
MenechemShaul 1 year ago
In Israel it's not so accepted in communities. So it's partly against the minhag haMakom. And so prayer is not only a personal thing. Pluralistic often meant within 1 Synagogue it was devided into a Sephardi, Ashkenazi and Italian section, to create order.
So also woman where given another place to pray with shawl in this case.
In basic Halacha on Midrash Level it's not forbidden for women and there is not much debate about that. Talmud Jerushalmi supports it. But communities might not like
utrechter999 1 year ago
@utrechter999 I just find it sad (I speak as a frum individual) that the 10% are trying to control the lives of the of the other 90%!
MenechemShaul 1 year ago
Interesting... Hashem seeks not the appearance of a person, but the heart or soul of that person. A women can wear a short skirt and still love Hashem.. sometimes women wearing the long skirts are the worse ones that are filled with sin and contempt against the living G-D... let us not judge anyone, but allow humans to be who they are and let G-D do the conviction... Goodness she was praying!!! this is an insult
bellaladystorm 1 year ago
shalom, great video :)
HannahMateee 1 year ago
no one can tell a person what to do in private but in public it is different. kvodah bat melech penima, the honor of the daughter of the king should be hidden. It is like a man who says he does not want to put on a kipa when going to the kotel.or a woman who would say I want to worship Hashem with with her short pants or skirt.
chaimdg 2 years ago
Shalom,
Sephardic Jew here. As far as I know, the western wall is a public place. I don't think this is a religious issue anymore; it's a human rights issue. Do Israeli women have the same rights as their male counterparts? What about women's right to freedom of expression? Isn't this aptitude toward women a sort of religious segregation?. What's next? Are they going to force women to sit in the back of the public buses, like the KKK used to do with blacks in the segregated states? Shalom
RabinoBoricuaVirtual 2 years ago 4
@RabinoBoricuaVirtual They do have Buses for the Religious with Separate entrances for men and women as well as separate seating in ha'aretz. I take it yo have never been home yet? I am Sephardi, Observant and for womens religious rights (I defected from Conservative Judaism as it got to liberal for my liking I am however still egalitarian in all things [I am egalitarian Orthodox]). You do make a good point Rabbi!
MenechemShaul 1 year ago
@RabinoBoricuaVirtual Yep thats exactly whats been happening back in israel, middle eastern men are very sexists so dont be surprised and theyre not gonna stop being a sexists, theyre sexists before and today and tomorrow and forever if they can, its a TRADITION for them!!!
TheIkawatay 3 months ago