This is exactly the type of videos we need more of. Many of us Catholics have no clue concerning Protestant theology. The demonstration with the milk and the little toy turtle was awesome. Thank you for helping us understand the Protestant view of salvation and justification. GBU +Pax Christi+
My brother and I are cradle Catholics and we are journeying further into the full understanding and history of the Church. I am falling in love with God all over again. And you are proof that God does shine his light to the world through the faithful! God bless you and your mission of Truth!
As a life-long Roman Catholic, I can only say (1) welcome; your thoughtfulness and good heartedness are infectitious; and (2) I think it's high time for my church to begin admitting female priests, starting with you.
@carlosspeck I plan to make a video about this, but I think feminism is so often misdirected. People who call for the admission of women to the priesthood tend to degrade the holy vocation of being a nun. I think that if we want to truly uplift women and increase their involvement in the Church we ought to begin to increase our love and respect for nuns and encourage young women to choose that path. It was a nun who played a key role in my conversion and instruction in the faith.
@carlosspeck As much as I see becoming a nun as a high calling, I am being called to marriage and motherhood (wedding this June!), another vocation which is often degraded. It is strange to me that we believe our society to be the most loving toward women while simultaneously looking down on the work of nuns and mothers. Real feminism upholds the work of nuns and mothers as holy and of utmost value.
You should have stuck with the milk analogy. Sure what we do matters. Not for salvation but for rewards. Is Faith alone enough? Yes. Because Jesus is enough. Luke 8:50. Believe only. Romans 5:1. Galatians 2:16. Romans 3:26-28. FAITH ALONE IN CHRIST ALONE. John 3:16. James was written to people who are already saved. James 1:2.
The Sacrament of Marriage is based on the Sacred Image a man and woman joined in marriage have and the likeness they bear of the Marriage between our Divine Spouse and God, Jesus Christ, and His Church, taught by St. Paul in Ephesians 5. This Sacrament is especially sanctified by our Lord Jesus being present at the wedding feast in John 2 :)
As you can see, the Sacraments are more than Biblical, they are the core of our faith in Christ and the way in which the Grace of God comes to us.
The Sacrament of Anointing of the Sick is taught by St. James in James 5:14-16.
The Sacrament of Confirmation is practiced and taught by the St. Peter, St. John, and St. Paul in Acts 8:12-18 and 19:1-8.
The Sacrament of Holy Orders is practiced by all of the Apostles in Acts 1:15-26, and taught by St. Paul in various places all throughout 1st and 2nd Timothy, and Titus. Also, the Authority of the Apostles and the Bishops they appointed is used at the Council of Jerusalem in Acts 15.
The Sacrament of the Eucharist is taught by our Lord Jesus in Luke 22:19-20 and John 6:53-58, and by St. Paul in 1st Corinthians 5:7, 10:3-4, 10:15-18, 11:23-29.
The Sacrament of Baptism is taught by our Lord Jesus in Mark 16:16 and John 3:3, 5, by St. Peter in 1st Peter 3:20-21, and by St. Paul in 1st Corinthians 10:1-2, Ephesians 5:26-27, and Titus 3:5.
The Sacrament of Confession is taught by our Lord Jesus in John 20:18-23 and referred to by St. John in 1st John 1:9.
From there you must, by the Grace of the Holy Spirit which is given to you through the Eucharist, or Holy Communion, maintain the purity of your wedding robe (righteousness) in your union with Christ.
Dear and beloved child of the Father, this is all very true and from the Bible. Remember, all that is required to be saved is the Grace of Christ, but that Grace is given to you through the Sacraments which *are* mentioned repeatedly in the Bible.
You have to understand that God has a plan for each of His children that is far beyond our decrepit state when we come to Him by faith in Christ and through Baptism. He wants to form you into the perfect image of Jesus, in perfect love and holiness, and if you let Him He will perfect you in this way throughout your whole life. He wants to remove your soiled garments of sin in Baptism and clothe you in a white robe of righteousness...
Nor can we accept His atonement into our souls merely in faith and profession, because both faith in Christ and professing Him as Lord require you to at the same time fulfill them by doing the will of God in love and action. Christ made it clear to us that if we do not fulfill our faith in Him and His Lordship with actively Doing the will of the Father, we will perish and are not going to Heaven (Matthew 7:21)
No, that's not what I'm saying at all, Jaytami... Christ died for all, and His death and resurrection are infinitely sufficient to redeem every human being who has ever lived. You have to remember though that Christ and any other individual person are separate people; in order for Christ's atonement to be applied to us, we have to accept it.
God bless you in your efforts in finding the truth. I was once Catholic..and with all due respect..have to tell you that there is a lot more than Grace required of you for salvation according to the Catholic Church. Remember, the Bible says that if you believe in Jesus Christ you will be saved..once saved you will be rewarded for the works you do thereafter. This is consistent throughout the Bible. Mentions nothing about sacraments or receiving the Holy Eucharist to enter Heavens gates.
what son the inside is frickin organs and vessels...from a protestant to a catholic? have u no shame? its sickening how ppl like u talk about what god does and sees as if he's factual...ur well on ur way to be like the ghastly mother teresa...although there was nothing motherly about her...whose mission was to promote her name and spread filth and poverty and continued the catholic tradition of oppressing women...ur scriptures mean nothing they are fiction...it doesnt matter how much u quote
The bible never says Faith alone, trust me, I fell for that trap myself. Sure it sounds like a good concept, but then again, so does all false doctrine. Good video. Just a question here. Have you considered looking into Calvinism? Or Armenian doctrine?
@JLSpencer1611 Yes, except in James 2:24. I did actually spend quite awhile thinking about Calvinism before I converted and it was one of the things that drove me to start questioning my Protestant beliefs, but that's a long story, PM me if you're interested in hearing more about it :)
@KateriofMnisota HOW to DEBUNK the CATHOLIC CHURCH on "Sola Fide"
Jesus who is God and apostles taught FAITH ALONE
John 6:28 They replied, “We want to perform God’s works, too. What should we do?” Jesus told them,“This is the only work God wants from you: Believe in the one he has sent.”
Titus 3:4 But—“When God our Savior revealed his kindness & love,HE SAVED US,NOT BECAUSE OF D RIGHTEOUS THINGS WE HAD DONE, but because of his mercy
@KateriofMnisota HOW to DEBUNK the CATHOLIC CHURCH PRAYER to the DEAD
COMMAND OF JESUS CATHOLICS FAILED TO FOLLOW
Jesus says,
John 14:14 Yes, ask me for anything in my name, and I will do it!
John 16:23 At that time you won’t need to ask me for anything. I tell you the truth, you will ask the Father DIRECTLY, and he will grant your request because you use my name
@pj100003 By you saying that a man is justified by works is saying that Christ's death on the cross is not sufficient enough for us to get into heaven. Nothing we do will get us into heaven. After one is saved by believing in the Lord Jesus Christ with all your heart, you will be rewarded by the works you do. You cannot gain heaven by works. We are all sinners and by sin alone is why we cannot get into heaven. You can do all the "works" you want...we are all still sinners...God Bless.....
@jaytami52504 Hi Jaytami :) just wanted to send this so that you would know I responded. Now I'll respond further in another comment on another device.
@CartesianTheist Christ's sacrifice is a full propitiation for our sins, and yet we are also called to participate in his sacrifice. It's a bit of a mystery. Colossians 1:24 It won't let me attach a link, but try googling "scripture catholic my top ten" and then look for the discussion on Colossians 1:24 for some explanation
@KateriofMnisota That being said, If you try to support your position through history then any of these churches who claim infallible interpretation can claim that your fallible logic and understanding have mislead you and thus need the interpretation of the mormons or the moonies. Special pleading is a specialty of your the church.
@CartesianTheist The grace that we receive from God is only possible because of Christ. We receive grace at baptism because through it we are joined to Christ in his death and resurrection. We receive grace in the Eucharist because Christ became the Passover Lamb. We receive grace in confession because Christ gave the keys of the kingdom to the Church.
@CartesianTheist The Catholic Church does not teach that we save our own souls. We believe we are saved by Grace Alone. Grace can only come from God. God gives us the grace to believe. God gives us the grace to seek baptism. God gives us the grace to give of ourselves to others. Salvation is about healing the soul. The soul is affected by what we do (works). In order for God to heal our souls, He must give us the grace to stop the works that destroy us and to do the works which will heal us.
@CartesianTheist This idea of Absolute and participatory roles is actually one the key elements to understanding every teaching of Catholicism. For instance: the Mass. The Absolute Sacrifice was made by Christ offering Himself for us, but we participate in it in the Eucharist (Luke 22:19-20, 1 Cor 10:16-18). Another: Theosis. The Trinity is the Only True God, fully possessing the Divine Nature. And yet, we partake (participate in) of the Divine Nature, that's the goal of salvation (2 Peter 1:4)
@CartesianTheist ...is the Only Absolute Savior, and He accomplished this on the Cross, redeeming us from our sin. Without His Sacrifice, not a single thing we do would matter; He made the first move down to us to redeem us. But we also are commanded to freely participate in our salvation by the sacrifice it takes to minute by minute deny ourselves and work out our faith through our obedience. His Sacrifice pulls our participatory one into Itself, and transforms us thereby.
@CartesianTheist ...achieves for us salvation. As for the idea that this trivializes Christ, I really can't understand why people think that. The thing that you have to understand is that there is a difference between an Absolute role in something, and a participatory role. Both are equally valid roles in the same thing, but the participatory one is dependent on the Absolute one; in other words, the initial movement is on the Absolute side, and the response is on the participatory side. Christ..
@CartesianTheist Thanks for your respectful dialogue. To be honest, I think that it's splitting hairs to make a difference between work out and work for. Again, Catholics believe that, yes, it's due to Christ alone that we are declared righteous in Baptism, but after that we obviously CAN do something to achieve salvation. By disobeying God, we seperate ourselves from His Grace. By obeying God, we freely choose to remain in Grace. The choice is ours to make, therefore, our obedience in love...
@CartesianTheist I agree with philosophizer149, Both Catholics and Protestants believe that through faith we are brought into a right relationship with God. Protestants call that salvation and say that works come after as proof of salvation. Catholics believe that is only the beginning of salvation. Salvation is complete when we are completely healed of sin and made perfect. I believe this is what Paul is talking about in Phil 3:10-15
@CartesianTheist The fulfillment I believe comes in the fact of what it means to be righteous. To be righteous is to do not merely to believe, protestents say that works should follow salvation, and in a sense I absolutely agree with them but salvation isn't just the moment where you first accept Christ it is also the process of sanctification so in this sense are works which are given by grace produce sanctification and salvation. Catholics can correct me if I'm wrong on this...
@CartesianTheist Catholics believe in declared righteousness in Baptism, but believe along with all of the Apostles that after Baptism we must deny our bodies and our egos to any degree we need to in order to constantly refuse sin and accept the grace of God, to avoid denying Christ by our actions. Any other view trivializes sin and destroys the entire concept of Philippians 2:12, which is to, by God's grace, work out our own salvation with *fear* and trembling.
@CartesianTheist Thanks for sharing that. The example that I show was taken directly from the Protestant leader of my Campus Crusade organization, and I realize that he doesn't represent all Protestants. I think though that the idea of imparted vs infused grace is pretty representative. I agree that it is Scriptural that we are declared righteous when we are not. But Catholics hold that salvation requires a fulfillment of that declaration.
In other words, faith alone is what gets you into heaven but works is the sign that you are saved and that your faith was genuine. Works in not the root of salvation but is the Fruit of it. A Good tree (Saved) will produce Good fruits.(Works)
@Onetruthrgv Ok.. let's buy that Protestant propaganda of the Faith Alone... let's buy it for a minute. So then, if by believing we're all saved, then.... Jesus founded His Church on Peter for no reason whatsoever? He gave the power of forgiving sins to His disciples for NO REASON?
Protestantism fails in every step, Onetruth. And the reason is that is MAN-MADE (Luther and other false prophets.)
You made a very big error in this video, 1.) You were attacking easy believe-ism and not the historical doctrine of Faith Alone. 2.) "faith by itself, if it does not have works, is dead" Did it say salvation is dead? Did it say faith was insufficient for salvation? No, but rather it said that our faith was dead. No intelligent bible believer would disagree, Faith without doing the command of our lord means that your confession was not true.
@Onetruthrgv To me it seems clear that a true confession can only mean faith + works, and so upholds the Catholic view. You might be interested to read what Luther meant by faith alone when he was teaching it. Luther once said, "Sin cannot tear you away from him [Christ], even though you commit adultery a hundred times a day and commit as many murders." I think many Protestants today have a more Catholic understanding of salvation than a Lutheran one.
@KarliJoanne 1.) Luther is not my authority, the bible is. So the quotes are meaningless to me.
2.) Where did you get that from in the text? You claim we are saved by faith plus works, where did it claim that in the text? It only says that faith is dead without works (Which we all agree) never did it say faith is dead when attempting salvation.
3.) Your missing my point. Catholics say we are saved by faith and works, the bible says we are saved by faith but works are the evidence of salvation
@Onetruthrgv I'm glad you don't consider Luther as an authority, but the phrase Faith Alone did come from him. I think scripture says everywhere that we are saved by Grace Alone, which includes faith and works. In addition to James, check out Romans 2:5-16
@Onetruthrgv 1.- The Bible is your authority... REALLY? I smell heresy here.... Where in the Bible does it say that we MUST have the Bible as our authority? And the problem with Protestantism is that there are so many sects.. thousands of them because of the same problem you have: they all have the Bible as a guidance and not THE CHURCH. Jesus didn't found a Bible! The Church was FIRST. The Bible came FROM THE CHURCH.
@Onetruthrgv Oh, no, hehehehe. I'm not here to argue, man. Arguing takes people NOWHERE. You be a Protestant. I absolutely have no problem with that. And you should let people be Catholic, too. If you won't take the Truth, let other people live in it. Be the first Protestant who RESPECTS, shows EDUCATION and be Christ-like.
You have the Bible as your guide. I'll have the Tradition, the Legacy of the Church, the example of many saints and martyrs who gave their life for Jesus. And we're good.
@ChrisDaron No sir this won't be arguing. I am just gonna challenge your position. If it gets nowhere then we only have ourselves to blame for not being open minded to the truth. I want to show you that sola scriptura is not only biblical but is a doctrine that is held by the church fathers as well and as well show that sola scriptura actually has more unity than a church which holds to an infallible interpreter. Catholics are not brothers in Christ with us, Vatican 1 would agree. Send me a PM
@Onetruthrgv The Church is held by an infallible interpreter? that's where you're wrong. Protestants think that the Popes "drive" the Church. The Church has always been the same and is fully driven by the Holy Spirit.
Catholics are not brothers in Christ with YOU? OF COURSE! We aren't interested in Lutheranism. We are interested in CHRIST HIMSELF.
Looks like you don't know much about the Church, my child. (That's why you're a Protestant...)
@ChrisDaron ? Your joking right? The church teaches that you need the teaching magisterial to interpret scripture "Read the Scripture within "the living Tradition of the whole Church". According to a saying of the Fathers," Please learn about your own doctrines lol (Start with papal infallibility)
"the Catholic Church accepts them [protestants] with respect and affection as brothers" So I am a brother in Christ.
Looks like you don''t know much about your own church.
@ChrisDaron If my protestant memory serves me right I think I just showed where your church is dependent upon an infallible interpreter (Yes I know he has the holy spirit according the the RCC but so do we and your church agrees since we are brothers in Christ according to your church and all believers are led by the holy spirit) I showed that your church does care about us as brothers in Christ. You have yet to respond to my rebuttal.
@Onetruthrgv I repeat, it is NOT my church (I am not Luther nor any of the other leaders that you follow, so..)
Of course the Church cares about you Protestants! it's YOU Protestants who attack us and call us names.. (Very CHRISTIAN of you, by the way.. you sure make Christ proud by doing that)
@ChrisDaron I just quoted from you authoritative catechism so yeah, that is your church.
If calling your church heretical and apostate from the authority God gave to the believers and apostles then yes we are calling you names. Christ called people idiots and called peter Satan (Your pope) I have no issue calling your church such things
@Onetruthrgv God, you're so stubborn... and dumb. You can call His Church whatever you want. Satan calls it names, too. What does that do to us? NOTHING. So keep complaining, Negative Nancy. We do not care =) You're just another Protestant from one of the thousands of divided, men-made sects. Keep trying. You won't achieve a thing.
@ChrisDaron Actually the 33,000 denomination is a lie. Eric svendsen shows the source where catholic apologist are getting this number from and shows that it is actually not based on actual sects of Christianity. For example the Name The baptist church of Detroit as a different denomination when it is just a baptist church that appeals the African Americans ect. Besides all protestants have more unity than a churches who hold to an infallible interpreter.
@Onetruthrgv I have no problem calling yours and the rest of the sects names, but why lower myself? Who cares what Protestants think? Who cares what they believe in? they're divided. They feed on attacking (just like Satan) They feed on trying to destroy the Church of Christ (so does Satan).... you have too name things in common with the Prince of Darkness, kid. Why don't you just go away from here? what are you trying to achieve? seriously, no one cares about what you have to say. Luther died.
@ChrisDaron In fact Baptist, Pentecostal, Lutherans, Presbyterians and Methodist (All who hold to sola scriptura) are in more unity than with each other than Catholicism, Mormonism, Seventh-day Adventist and Jehovah witnesses (Churches that hold to infallible interpreter) are in unity with one another. If you want to demonstrate that an infallible interpreter (Teaching magisterial) is the best way for unity then you must show that all churches who hold to that system are in unity with each other
@Onetruthrgv Of course there's no unity between groups that hold to different infallible interpreters. An "infallible interpreter" is not a virtue in itself. We hold to the Papacy because it was instituted by Christ and the Apostles. The Pope is only infallible because he sits in the chair of Moses and Peter, from whom he derives authority. All other chairs are set up by their own authority. Did Christ give Joseph Smith, or Charles Russell the keys to the kingdom? No, they throned themselves.
@KateriofMnisota lol you fell right into a trap set for chris, might as well continue. You see what you are doing is a logical fallacy called special pleading, you assume that your church didn't make themselves the seat of authority of christ church. So every one who claims that they have authority is no different from your pope, now here comes the problem...You have to go upon you fallible interpretation of history to determine who is the true authority, which is condemned by your church.
@Onetruthrgv Protestants don't even make the claim to have been established by Jesus himself. You can call it special pleading, but Catholics hold to a unique claim. It's either true or false. I'm not seeing much point in arguing it here anymore.
@KateriofMnisota True in the sense that historically the baptist church was not a continuous succession from the apostles but we do say that any believer who holds to the essential doctrines of the bible is part of the historical church that Jesus founded on all the apostles. I agree, I will not take up your comment section in respect to your channel .
@Onetruthrgv I am open to having discussion on my channel of course, but I just feel at this point we've both said our pieces. Thanks for taking my video seriously enough to want to talk about it :)
@kooooopp That is true, and I'm not sure how to go about reconciling them. I also considered becoming Orthodox, but ended up choosing Catholicism because of the Papacy, which I talk about in a couple videos here. Have you ever heard of Eastern Rite Catholics? I can see a lot of reconciliation happening through them :)
@KateriofMnisota yes of course i know what is eastern rite churches they are orthodox but they recognize pope primate. but you know that moscow patriarch kirill is a puppet of Putin . unfortunately religion is still a part of politics.
@KateriofMnisota So far sola scriptura has more unity than churches with an infallible interpreter, now the problem is if you want to use your logic to determine such things then I can say the same to you, " of course there is no unity between groups that have different preachers, there are so many different protestant churches because every preacher is different, thus my baptist church has true sola scriptura since other denominations have different preachers. Its still special pleading.
@Onetruthrgv But you do not consider your preacher as an authority. Among Catholics who accept the Church's authority there is great unity. Among Protestants who accept only the Bible's authority, there is much less unity. You could say your church is the only one with true sola scriptura, but you would be saying that based on your own authority. The Catholic Church does not claim it's own authority, it's authority was given by Christ in Matthew 16. Do you see what I'm at least trying to say?
@KateriofMnisota Who said that? Sola scriptura is not the denial of the authority of the church. I already pointed out in your video of sola scriptura that you have a strawmans definition of sola scriptura. Sola scriptura is not that the bible is mans only authority, sola scriptura is the position that the bible is the final authority over all authorities. All authorities and tradition are to be judged according to the scriptures.
@Onetruthrgv That's an interesting position, more like Prima Scriptura? That would not really be different than the Catholic view, because no Church teaching could ever go against scripture.
@KateriofMnisota Well you see the other part of Sola Scriptura is that The scriptures alone are sufficient to be used to bring someone to Christ and live a Godly life.
@Onetruthrgv I want to ask you a question that sounds a bit snarky, but I promise is not intended that way. Who gave you, Onetruthgv, the authority to form and teach your own interpretation of the Bible?
@KateriofMnisota I reject the premise of your question, Where in the bible does it say one needs special authority to interpret scripture? I know christ left authorities to proclaim and teach his gospel orally (Sola scriptura does not deny it) but where does it say that one has to have that authority to interpret?
@KateriofMnisota You found out rome was the true church by whos interpretation of history and the bible, your own or Rome's? Obviously rome didn't interpret the scriptures and history for you since you were still searching if rome was the church thus you had to appeal to your own interpretation to see if rome is the true church, therfore you had no authority to interpret history and scripture thus you probably made a mistake when coming to your conclusion that rome is the true church.
@KateriofMnisota My point is simply that your logic can be said to you, Thats why I said you have committed special pleading (Which is common in The roman church) Just as you believe that Jesus gave peter the only authority of the church by your fallible interpretation then the Mormons can claim that you came to that conclusion based off your fallible interpretation of scripture and history.
@Onetruthrgv The division is because everyone wants to understand the Bible their own way. The Church is supposed to be ONE, not a thousand.... so thanks for admitting you're not even Christian! Good night, kid!
@ChrisDaron "The division is because everyone wants to understand the Bible their own way." do you have any proof of that claim or are you just assuming? I agree the church is to be one but where did it say physically one? My church can go to a picnic with a lutheran, baptist, Presbyterian and a methodist and we will all call each other brothers in christ yet before Vatican I your church wouldn't even spit in our direction. Sola scriptura has more unity.
@Onetruthrgv The proof (you blind kid) is the thousands of denominations that are different and contradict each other. God doesn't want "many" sects. He wants ONE Church like it originally was.
If they call each other "bros", then they should be ONE, don't you think?
@ChrisDaron What do you mean? Sure we have differences in somethings, even Catholics do from the conservative to the liberal Catholics. Some sects worship Mary (Through consecration to her) and other truly give veneration, Some church believe its heresy to not face east when praying and others don't. I am sorry but then you must admit that there is disunity in your church by your standard. Where did God say we must be one in every doctrine Paul said "Each one should be convinced in his own mind"
@Onetruthrgv Nope. The Roman Catholic Faith is ONE, like it's always been. Whoever worships Mary is simply NOT a Catholic... (the same with Protestants: the fact that they THINK and CALL THEMSELVES 'Christians' doesn't mean they really are... I mean.. HELLO! I am Mr. Rogers! right? Am I Mr. Rogers just because I say so?)
So, again, why are there so many sects in Protestantism? Jesus does say he wants O N E Church, the one He Himself established on Peter in Pentecost (no "Constantine")
@Onetruthrgv Then again, there are Catholics who are ignorant as well as Protestants who are ignorant (I mean, duh!) ONE Catholic you might have run into who didn't know anything doesn't mean he or she is the Church.
Kid, we've been attacked throughout the years. Around 2, 000. Sects come and go. The Truth and the Church as remained untouchable. The gates of Hell have not (and will NOT) do a thing to us.
@ChrisDaron But where did Jesus say that we all be physically one? Any true beleiver of Christ is part of his church, that what your church says, we are merely separated. "Kid, we've been attacked throughout the years". No sir, The protestants have been murder by Romes hands because we refused the Eucharist and to be under the authority of the Papist
@KarliJoanne Allow me to give you an example of what I mean.
If you and I were looking out of a window and I asked you if it was windy outside, how can you tell whether its windy or not by looking through the window? Simple, Look to see if trees are moving around or if leafs are blowing. Point being is the leafs blowing is the evidence of the wind being present. We can't see salvation but works are the evidence that they have salvation and not cause. Works = Evidence not causation
@Onetruthrgv Yes, I understand what you are saying, but to me it seems that Scripture does not say that. For example Romans 2:5-16 just doesn't seem to be saying that.
Faith alone is a Lutheran (not even Christian) theory that explains that by only believing you're saved.
The again, Satan believes in God as well.. and by no means is "it" saved.
Faith alone fails.
The theory is a good start, but there's NO WAY it is the ONLY way of salvation. You do need to believe first, but that's definitely NOT the end of what we're asked to do.
@ChrisDaron Nobody who believes in Faith alone will disagree with you there, the bible clearly says that even Satan believes in God and yet is still unsaved, now does this main faith alone is insufficient? No not at all actually, you see We are saved by faith alone in Jesus but without repentance then our faith is dead. In other words the faith that Satan has in Jesus is one of acknowledgement but is an unrepentant faith. Jesus said why call me lord and do not what say.
@Onetruthrgv To me it seems clear that a repentant faith can only mean faith + works, and so upholds the Catholic view. You might be interested to read what Luther meant by faith alone when he was teaching it. Luther once said, "Sin cannot tear you away from him [Christ], even though you commit adultery a hundred times a day and commit as many murders." Luther also called James an epistle of straw. I think many Protestants today have a more Catholic understanding of salvation than a Lutheran one
@Onetruthrgv Faith alone, though, in fewer words is invalid. You can believe all you want, but without His Precious Blood and Body, you are simple a "fan" but you're not with Him. You can believe all you want but without doing anything, you're still just a fan.
The Sola Scritura is another invention by Luther that everyone in Protestantism follows.
And, remember, the Bible (that I as a Catholic, and any Protestant holds) is a Catholic document.
I think this is one of the best explanations of the catholic understanding of justification I've seen so far. I think the milk analogy is a great analogy that really gives you the best understanding of how Catholics understand salvation. God Bless! :)
This is exactly the type of videos we need more of. Many of us Catholics have no clue concerning Protestant theology. The demonstration with the milk and the little toy turtle was awesome. Thank you for helping us understand the Protestant view of salvation and justification. GBU +Pax Christi+
LatinRiteChristian 1 week ago
My brother and I are cradle Catholics and we are journeying further into the full understanding and history of the Church. I am falling in love with God all over again. And you are proof that God does shine his light to the world through the faithful! God bless you and your mission of Truth!
fireman8900 2 weeks ago
Lol, you'd make a good Eastern Orthodox Christian.
ignati123 2 weeks ago
As a life-long Roman Catholic, I can only say (1) welcome; your thoughtfulness and good heartedness are infectitious; and (2) I think it's high time for my church to begin admitting female priests, starting with you.
carlosspeck 2 weeks ago
@carlosspeck I plan to make a video about this, but I think feminism is so often misdirected. People who call for the admission of women to the priesthood tend to degrade the holy vocation of being a nun. I think that if we want to truly uplift women and increase their involvement in the Church we ought to begin to increase our love and respect for nuns and encourage young women to choose that path. It was a nun who played a key role in my conversion and instruction in the faith.
KateriofMnisota 2 weeks ago
@carlosspeck As much as I see becoming a nun as a high calling, I am being called to marriage and motherhood (wedding this June!), another vocation which is often degraded. It is strange to me that we believe our society to be the most loving toward women while simultaneously looking down on the work of nuns and mothers. Real feminism upholds the work of nuns and mothers as holy and of utmost value.
KateriofMnisota 2 weeks ago
@carlosspeck But, all of that aside, thank you so much for your kind words! It is very encouraging! :)
KateriofMnisota 2 weeks ago
@carlosspeck In regards to your # 2... You must think you are the Holy Spirit guiding the church?
fireman8900 2 weeks ago
u r a good one sis:) should become full time apologist
papist77 3 weeks ago
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You should have stuck with the milk analogy. Sure what we do matters. Not for salvation but for rewards. Is Faith alone enough? Yes. Because Jesus is enough. Luke 8:50. Believe only. Romans 5:1. Galatians 2:16. Romans 3:26-28. FAITH ALONE IN CHRIST ALONE. John 3:16. James was written to people who are already saved. James 1:2.
jacksmack77 1 month ago
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jacksmack77 1 month ago
I would encourage you to think about coming home to the Sacraments, and our Lord Jesus in the Catholic Church, dear friend. Be blessed of God!
pj100003 2 months ago
The Sacrament of Marriage is based on the Sacred Image a man and woman joined in marriage have and the likeness they bear of the Marriage between our Divine Spouse and God, Jesus Christ, and His Church, taught by St. Paul in Ephesians 5. This Sacrament is especially sanctified by our Lord Jesus being present at the wedding feast in John 2 :)
As you can see, the Sacraments are more than Biblical, they are the core of our faith in Christ and the way in which the Grace of God comes to us.
pj100003 2 months ago
The Sacrament of Anointing of the Sick is taught by St. James in James 5:14-16.
The Sacrament of Confirmation is practiced and taught by the St. Peter, St. John, and St. Paul in Acts 8:12-18 and 19:1-8.
The Sacrament of Holy Orders is practiced by all of the Apostles in Acts 1:15-26, and taught by St. Paul in various places all throughout 1st and 2nd Timothy, and Titus. Also, the Authority of the Apostles and the Bishops they appointed is used at the Council of Jerusalem in Acts 15.
pj100003 2 months ago
The Sacrament of the Eucharist is taught by our Lord Jesus in Luke 22:19-20 and John 6:53-58, and by St. Paul in 1st Corinthians 5:7, 10:3-4, 10:15-18, 11:23-29.
The Sacrament of Baptism is taught by our Lord Jesus in Mark 16:16 and John 3:3, 5, by St. Peter in 1st Peter 3:20-21, and by St. Paul in 1st Corinthians 10:1-2, Ephesians 5:26-27, and Titus 3:5.
The Sacrament of Confession is taught by our Lord Jesus in John 20:18-23 and referred to by St. John in 1st John 1:9.
pj100003 2 months ago
From there you must, by the Grace of the Holy Spirit which is given to you through the Eucharist, or Holy Communion, maintain the purity of your wedding robe (righteousness) in your union with Christ.
Dear and beloved child of the Father, this is all very true and from the Bible. Remember, all that is required to be saved is the Grace of Christ, but that Grace is given to you through the Sacraments which *are* mentioned repeatedly in the Bible.
pj100003 2 months ago
You have to understand that God has a plan for each of His children that is far beyond our decrepit state when we come to Him by faith in Christ and through Baptism. He wants to form you into the perfect image of Jesus, in perfect love and holiness, and if you let Him He will perfect you in this way throughout your whole life. He wants to remove your soiled garments of sin in Baptism and clothe you in a white robe of righteousness...
pj100003 2 months ago
Nor can we accept His atonement into our souls merely in faith and profession, because both faith in Christ and professing Him as Lord require you to at the same time fulfill them by doing the will of God in love and action. Christ made it clear to us that if we do not fulfill our faith in Him and His Lordship with actively Doing the will of the Father, we will perish and are not going to Heaven (Matthew 7:21)
pj100003 2 months ago
No, that's not what I'm saying at all, Jaytami... Christ died for all, and His death and resurrection are infinitely sufficient to redeem every human being who has ever lived. You have to remember though that Christ and any other individual person are separate people; in order for Christ's atonement to be applied to us, we have to accept it.
pj100003 2 months ago
God bless you in your efforts in finding the truth. I was once Catholic..and with all due respect..have to tell you that there is a lot more than Grace required of you for salvation according to the Catholic Church. Remember, the Bible says that if you believe in Jesus Christ you will be saved..once saved you will be rewarded for the works you do thereafter. This is consistent throughout the Bible. Mentions nothing about sacraments or receiving the Holy Eucharist to enter Heavens gates.
jaytami52504 2 months ago
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Great milk analogy! I enjoyed it.
Nepthu 3 months ago
what son the inside is frickin organs and vessels...from a protestant to a catholic? have u no shame? its sickening how ppl like u talk about what god does and sees as if he's factual...ur well on ur way to be like the ghastly mother teresa...although there was nothing motherly about her...whose mission was to promote her name and spread filth and poverty and continued the catholic tradition of oppressing women...ur scriptures mean nothing they are fiction...it doesnt matter how much u quote
dawkinshitch 3 months ago
The bible never says Faith alone, trust me, I fell for that trap myself. Sure it sounds like a good concept, but then again, so does all false doctrine. Good video. Just a question here. Have you considered looking into Calvinism? Or Armenian doctrine?
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@JLSpencer1611 Yes, except in James 2:24. I did actually spend quite awhile thinking about Calvinism before I converted and it was one of the things that drove me to start questioning my Protestant beliefs, but that's a long story, PM me if you're interested in hearing more about it :)
KateriofMnisota 4 months ago
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@KateriofMnisota HOW to DEBUNK the CATHOLIC CHURCH on "Sola Fide"
Jesus who is God and apostles taught FAITH ALONE
John 6:28 They replied, “We want to perform God’s works, too. What should we do?” Jesus told them,“This is the only work God wants from you: Believe in the one he has sent.”
Titus 3:4 But—“When God our Savior revealed his kindness & love,HE SAVED US,NOT BECAUSE OF D RIGHTEOUS THINGS WE HAD DONE, but because of his mercy
abukid 1 month ago
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@KateriofMnisota HOW to DEBUNK the CATHOLIC CHURCH PRAYER to the DEAD
COMMAND OF JESUS CATHOLICS FAILED TO FOLLOW
Jesus says,
John 14:14 Yes, ask me for anything in my name, and I will do it!
John 16:23 At that time you won’t need to ask me for anything. I tell you the truth, you will ask the Father DIRECTLY, and he will grant your request because you use my name
Saints CAN'T cure CANCER
abukid 1 month ago
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@JLSpencer1611 HOW to DEBUNK the CATHOLIC CHURCH on "Sola Fide"
Jesus who is God and apostles taught FAITH ALONE
John 6:28 They replied, “We want to perform God’s works, too. What should we do?”
Jesus told them, “This is the only work God wants from you: Believe in the one he has sent.”
Titus 3:4 But—“When God our Savior revealed his kindness & love,HE SAVED US,NOT BECAUSE OF D RIGHTEOUS THINGS WE HAD DONE, but because of his mercy
abukid 1 month ago
"Faith is perfected by works...So you see that a man is justified by works and not by faith alone."- Epistle of St. James
pj100003 4 months ago
@pj100003 By you saying that a man is justified by works is saying that Christ's death on the cross is not sufficient enough for us to get into heaven. Nothing we do will get us into heaven. After one is saved by believing in the Lord Jesus Christ with all your heart, you will be rewarded by the works you do. You cannot gain heaven by works. We are all sinners and by sin alone is why we cannot get into heaven. You can do all the "works" you want...we are all still sinners...God Bless.....
jaytami52504 2 months ago
@jaytami52504 Hi Jaytami :) just wanted to send this so that you would know I responded. Now I'll respond further in another comment on another device.
pj100003 2 months ago
keep up the good work my sister in Christ Jesus :)
muridyesus 4 months ago
@CartesianTheist She was quoting a bible passage. Look up Colossians 1:24
pj100003 4 months ago
@CartesianTheist Christ's sacrifice is a full propitiation for our sins, and yet we are also called to participate in his sacrifice. It's a bit of a mystery. Colossians 1:24 It won't let me attach a link, but try googling "scripture catholic my top ten" and then look for the discussion on Colossians 1:24 for some explanation
KateriofMnisota 4 months ago
@KateriofMnisota That being said, If you try to support your position through history then any of these churches who claim infallible interpretation can claim that your fallible logic and understanding have mislead you and thus need the interpretation of the mormons or the moonies. Special pleading is a specialty of your the church.
Onetruthrgv 4 months ago
@CartesianTheist The grace that we receive from God is only possible because of Christ. We receive grace at baptism because through it we are joined to Christ in his death and resurrection. We receive grace in the Eucharist because Christ became the Passover Lamb. We receive grace in confession because Christ gave the keys of the kingdom to the Church.
KateriofMnisota 4 months ago
@CartesianTheist The Catholic Church does not teach that we save our own souls. We believe we are saved by Grace Alone. Grace can only come from God. God gives us the grace to believe. God gives us the grace to seek baptism. God gives us the grace to give of ourselves to others. Salvation is about healing the soul. The soul is affected by what we do (works). In order for God to heal our souls, He must give us the grace to stop the works that destroy us and to do the works which will heal us.
KateriofMnisota 4 months ago
@CartesianTheist This idea of Absolute and participatory roles is actually one the key elements to understanding every teaching of Catholicism. For instance: the Mass. The Absolute Sacrifice was made by Christ offering Himself for us, but we participate in it in the Eucharist (Luke 22:19-20, 1 Cor 10:16-18). Another: Theosis. The Trinity is the Only True God, fully possessing the Divine Nature. And yet, we partake (participate in) of the Divine Nature, that's the goal of salvation (2 Peter 1:4)
pj100003 4 months ago
@CartesianTheist ...is the Only Absolute Savior, and He accomplished this on the Cross, redeeming us from our sin. Without His Sacrifice, not a single thing we do would matter; He made the first move down to us to redeem us. But we also are commanded to freely participate in our salvation by the sacrifice it takes to minute by minute deny ourselves and work out our faith through our obedience. His Sacrifice pulls our participatory one into Itself, and transforms us thereby.
pj100003 4 months ago
@CartesianTheist ...achieves for us salvation. As for the idea that this trivializes Christ, I really can't understand why people think that. The thing that you have to understand is that there is a difference between an Absolute role in something, and a participatory role. Both are equally valid roles in the same thing, but the participatory one is dependent on the Absolute one; in other words, the initial movement is on the Absolute side, and the response is on the participatory side. Christ..
pj100003 4 months ago
@CartesianTheist Thanks for your respectful dialogue. To be honest, I think that it's splitting hairs to make a difference between work out and work for. Again, Catholics believe that, yes, it's due to Christ alone that we are declared righteous in Baptism, but after that we obviously CAN do something to achieve salvation. By disobeying God, we seperate ourselves from His Grace. By obeying God, we freely choose to remain in Grace. The choice is ours to make, therefore, our obedience in love...
pj100003 4 months ago
@CartesianTheist I agree with philosophizer149, Both Catholics and Protestants believe that through faith we are brought into a right relationship with God. Protestants call that salvation and say that works come after as proof of salvation. Catholics believe that is only the beginning of salvation. Salvation is complete when we are completely healed of sin and made perfect. I believe this is what Paul is talking about in Phil 3:10-15
KateriofMnisota 4 months ago
@CartesianTheist The fulfillment I believe comes in the fact of what it means to be righteous. To be righteous is to do not merely to believe, protestents say that works should follow salvation, and in a sense I absolutely agree with them but salvation isn't just the moment where you first accept Christ it is also the process of sanctification so in this sense are works which are given by grace produce sanctification and salvation. Catholics can correct me if I'm wrong on this...
philosophizer149 4 months ago
@philosophizer149 You've definitely got the right idea! :) good explanation
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@CartesianTheist Catholics believe in declared righteousness in Baptism, but believe along with all of the Apostles that after Baptism we must deny our bodies and our egos to any degree we need to in order to constantly refuse sin and accept the grace of God, to avoid denying Christ by our actions. Any other view trivializes sin and destroys the entire concept of Philippians 2:12, which is to, by God's grace, work out our own salvation with *fear* and trembling.
pj100003 4 months ago
@pj100003 great point pj! Philippians 2:12 is another great verse to study for this topic
KateriofMnisota 4 months ago
@CartesianTheist Thanks for sharing that. The example that I show was taken directly from the Protestant leader of my Campus Crusade organization, and I realize that he doesn't represent all Protestants. I think though that the idea of imparted vs infused grace is pretty representative. I agree that it is Scriptural that we are declared righteous when we are not. But Catholics hold that salvation requires a fulfillment of that declaration.
KateriofMnisota 4 months ago
In other words, faith alone is what gets you into heaven but works is the sign that you are saved and that your faith was genuine. Works in not the root of salvation but is the Fruit of it. A Good tree (Saved) will produce Good fruits.(Works)
Onetruthrgv 4 months ago
@Onetruthrgv Ok.. let's buy that Protestant propaganda of the Faith Alone... let's buy it for a minute. So then, if by believing we're all saved, then.... Jesus founded His Church on Peter for no reason whatsoever? He gave the power of forgiving sins to His disciples for NO REASON?
Protestantism fails in every step, Onetruth. And the reason is that is MAN-MADE (Luther and other false prophets.)
ChrisDaron 4 months ago
You made a very big error in this video, 1.) You were attacking easy believe-ism and not the historical doctrine of Faith Alone. 2.) "faith by itself, if it does not have works, is dead" Did it say salvation is dead? Did it say faith was insufficient for salvation? No, but rather it said that our faith was dead. No intelligent bible believer would disagree, Faith without doing the command of our lord means that your confession was not true.
Onetruthrgv 4 months ago
@Onetruthrgv To me it seems clear that a true confession can only mean faith + works, and so upholds the Catholic view. You might be interested to read what Luther meant by faith alone when he was teaching it. Luther once said, "Sin cannot tear you away from him [Christ], even though you commit adultery a hundred times a day and commit as many murders." I think many Protestants today have a more Catholic understanding of salvation than a Lutheran one.
KarliJoanne 4 months ago
@KarliJoanne 1.) Luther is not my authority, the bible is. So the quotes are meaningless to me.
2.) Where did you get that from in the text? You claim we are saved by faith plus works, where did it claim that in the text? It only says that faith is dead without works (Which we all agree) never did it say faith is dead when attempting salvation.
3.) Your missing my point. Catholics say we are saved by faith and works, the bible says we are saved by faith but works are the evidence of salvation
Onetruthrgv 4 months ago
@Onetruthrgv I'm glad you don't consider Luther as an authority, but the phrase Faith Alone did come from him. I think scripture says everywhere that we are saved by Grace Alone, which includes faith and works. In addition to James, check out Romans 2:5-16
KateriofMnisota 4 months ago
@Onetruthrgv 1.- The Bible is your authority... REALLY? I smell heresy here.... Where in the Bible does it say that we MUST have the Bible as our authority? And the problem with Protestantism is that there are so many sects.. thousands of them because of the same problem you have: they all have the Bible as a guidance and not THE CHURCH. Jesus didn't found a Bible! The Church was FIRST. The Bible came FROM THE CHURCH.
ChrisDaron 4 months ago
@ChrisDaron Gonna send you a PM in respect to this channel
Onetruthrgv 4 months ago
@Onetruthrgv What for?
ChrisDaron 4 months ago
@ChrisDaron To refute your assertion. I don't want to take up her comment space on us arguing.
Onetruthrgv 4 months ago
@Onetruthrgv Oh, no, hehehehe. I'm not here to argue, man. Arguing takes people NOWHERE. You be a Protestant. I absolutely have no problem with that. And you should let people be Catholic, too. If you won't take the Truth, let other people live in it. Be the first Protestant who RESPECTS, shows EDUCATION and be Christ-like.
You have the Bible as your guide. I'll have the Tradition, the Legacy of the Church, the example of many saints and martyrs who gave their life for Jesus. And we're good.
ChrisDaron 4 months ago
@ChrisDaron No sir this won't be arguing. I am just gonna challenge your position. If it gets nowhere then we only have ourselves to blame for not being open minded to the truth. I want to show you that sola scriptura is not only biblical but is a doctrine that is held by the church fathers as well and as well show that sola scriptura actually has more unity than a church which holds to an infallible interpreter. Catholics are not brothers in Christ with us, Vatican 1 would agree. Send me a PM
Onetruthrgv 4 months ago
@Onetruthrgv Nowhere in the Bible is Sola Scritura supported. PERIOD. Christ founded His Church on Peter, and not "the Bible" as a Church.
Catholics ARE the ORIGINAL Christians, whether Protestants like it or not. Protestants are LUTHERANS.
And the Catholic Church wrote the Bible (the more you read it, the closer to the Catholic Faith you are)
And I'm not interested in reading the same old rubbish that Protestants give us. I'm tired of it.
ChrisDaron 4 months ago
@Onetruthrgv The Church is held by an infallible interpreter? that's where you're wrong. Protestants think that the Popes "drive" the Church. The Church has always been the same and is fully driven by the Holy Spirit.
Catholics are not brothers in Christ with YOU? OF COURSE! We aren't interested in Lutheranism. We are interested in CHRIST HIMSELF.
Looks like you don't know much about the Church, my child. (That's why you're a Protestant...)
ChrisDaron 4 months ago
@ChrisDaron ? Your joking right? The church teaches that you need the teaching magisterial to interpret scripture "Read the Scripture within "the living Tradition of the whole Church". According to a saying of the Fathers," Please learn about your own doctrines lol (Start with papal infallibility)
"the Catholic Church accepts them [protestants] with respect and affection as brothers" So I am a brother in Christ.
Looks like you don''t know much about your own church.
Onetruthrgv 4 months ago
@Onetruthrgv Do I look like I joke?
"My own church"? hahaha... No, dude. I'm not another false, little prophet in Protestantism trying to found a new church... the "real" one.
The Bride of Christ will always be there, while Protestant sects come and go.
Looks like you don't know much about anything, son.
ChrisDaron 4 months ago
@ChrisDaron If my protestant memory serves me right I think I just showed where your church is dependent upon an infallible interpreter (Yes I know he has the holy spirit according the the RCC but so do we and your church agrees since we are brothers in Christ according to your church and all believers are led by the holy spirit) I showed that your church does care about us as brothers in Christ. You have yet to respond to my rebuttal.
Onetruthrgv 4 months ago
@Onetruthrgv I repeat, it is NOT my church (I am not Luther nor any of the other leaders that you follow, so..)
Of course the Church cares about you Protestants! it's YOU Protestants who attack us and call us names.. (Very CHRISTIAN of you, by the way.. you sure make Christ proud by doing that)
ChrisDaron 4 months ago
@ChrisDaron I just quoted from you authoritative catechism so yeah, that is your church.
If calling your church heretical and apostate from the authority God gave to the believers and apostles then yes we are calling you names. Christ called people idiots and called peter Satan (Your pope) I have no issue calling your church such things
Onetruthrgv 4 months ago
@Onetruthrgv God, you're so stubborn... and dumb. You can call His Church whatever you want. Satan calls it names, too. What does that do to us? NOTHING. So keep complaining, Negative Nancy. We do not care =) You're just another Protestant from one of the thousands of divided, men-made sects. Keep trying. You won't achieve a thing.
ChrisDaron 4 months ago
@ChrisDaron "God, you're so stubborn... and dumb" "but why lower myself?" Anything for the mother church huh?
Onetruthrgv 4 months ago
@Onetruthrgv Anything for the thousand, little sects of Protestantism, huh?
ChrisDaron 4 months ago
@ChrisDaron Actually the 33,000 denomination is a lie. Eric svendsen shows the source where catholic apologist are getting this number from and shows that it is actually not based on actual sects of Christianity. For example the Name The baptist church of Detroit as a different denomination when it is just a baptist church that appeals the African Americans ect. Besides all protestants have more unity than a churches who hold to an infallible interpreter.
Onetruthrgv 4 months ago
@Onetruthrgv I have no problem calling yours and the rest of the sects names, but why lower myself? Who cares what Protestants think? Who cares what they believe in? they're divided. They feed on attacking (just like Satan) They feed on trying to destroy the Church of Christ (so does Satan).... you have too name things in common with the Prince of Darkness, kid. Why don't you just go away from here? what are you trying to achieve? seriously, no one cares about what you have to say. Luther died.
ChrisDaron 4 months ago
@ChrisDaron In fact Baptist, Pentecostal, Lutherans, Presbyterians and Methodist (All who hold to sola scriptura) are in more unity than with each other than Catholicism, Mormonism, Seventh-day Adventist and Jehovah witnesses (Churches that hold to infallible interpreter) are in unity with one another. If you want to demonstrate that an infallible interpreter (Teaching magisterial) is the best way for unity then you must show that all churches who hold to that system are in unity with each other
Onetruthrgv 4 months ago
@Onetruthrgv Of course there's no unity between groups that hold to different infallible interpreters. An "infallible interpreter" is not a virtue in itself. We hold to the Papacy because it was instituted by Christ and the Apostles. The Pope is only infallible because he sits in the chair of Moses and Peter, from whom he derives authority. All other chairs are set up by their own authority. Did Christ give Joseph Smith, or Charles Russell the keys to the kingdom? No, they throned themselves.
KateriofMnisota 4 months ago
@KateriofMnisota lol you fell right into a trap set for chris, might as well continue. You see what you are doing is a logical fallacy called special pleading, you assume that your church didn't make themselves the seat of authority of christ church. So every one who claims that they have authority is no different from your pope, now here comes the problem...You have to go upon you fallible interpretation of history to determine who is the true authority, which is condemned by your church.
Onetruthrgv 4 months ago
@Onetruthrgv Protestants don't even make the claim to have been established by Jesus himself. You can call it special pleading, but Catholics hold to a unique claim. It's either true or false. I'm not seeing much point in arguing it here anymore.
KateriofMnisota 4 months ago
@KateriofMnisota True in the sense that historically the baptist church was not a continuous succession from the apostles but we do say that any believer who holds to the essential doctrines of the bible is part of the historical church that Jesus founded on all the apostles. I agree, I will not take up your comment section in respect to your channel .
Onetruthrgv 4 months ago
@Onetruthrgv I am open to having discussion on my channel of course, but I just feel at this point we've both said our pieces. Thanks for taking my video seriously enough to want to talk about it :)
KateriofMnisota 4 months ago
@KateriofMnisota but y'know there's many differences between eastern orthodox and catholics...
kooooopp 4 months ago
@kooooopp That is true, and I'm not sure how to go about reconciling them. I also considered becoming Orthodox, but ended up choosing Catholicism because of the Papacy, which I talk about in a couple videos here. Have you ever heard of Eastern Rite Catholics? I can see a lot of reconciliation happening through them :)
KateriofMnisota 4 months ago
@KateriofMnisota yes of course i know what is eastern rite churches they are orthodox but they recognize pope primate. but you know that moscow patriarch kirill is a puppet of Putin . unfortunately religion is still a part of politics.
kooooopp 4 months ago
@KateriofMnisota So far sola scriptura has more unity than churches with an infallible interpreter, now the problem is if you want to use your logic to determine such things then I can say the same to you, " of course there is no unity between groups that have different preachers, there are so many different protestant churches because every preacher is different, thus my baptist church has true sola scriptura since other denominations have different preachers. Its still special pleading.
Onetruthrgv 4 months ago
@Onetruthrgv But you do not consider your preacher as an authority. Among Catholics who accept the Church's authority there is great unity. Among Protestants who accept only the Bible's authority, there is much less unity. You could say your church is the only one with true sola scriptura, but you would be saying that based on your own authority. The Catholic Church does not claim it's own authority, it's authority was given by Christ in Matthew 16. Do you see what I'm at least trying to say?
KateriofMnisota 4 months ago
@KateriofMnisota Who said that? Sola scriptura is not the denial of the authority of the church. I already pointed out in your video of sola scriptura that you have a strawmans definition of sola scriptura. Sola scriptura is not that the bible is mans only authority, sola scriptura is the position that the bible is the final authority over all authorities. All authorities and tradition are to be judged according to the scriptures.
Onetruthrgv 4 months ago
@Onetruthrgv That's an interesting position, more like Prima Scriptura? That would not really be different than the Catholic view, because no Church teaching could ever go against scripture.
KateriofMnisota 4 months ago
@KateriofMnisota Well you see the other part of Sola Scriptura is that The scriptures alone are sufficient to be used to bring someone to Christ and live a Godly life.
Onetruthrgv 4 months ago
@KateriofMnisota what do you you think that catholic and orthodox churches unite as one
kooooopp 4 months ago
@kooooopp I would love to see that happen! I think someday it will :)
KateriofMnisota 4 months ago
@Onetruthrgv I want to ask you a question that sounds a bit snarky, but I promise is not intended that way. Who gave you, Onetruthgv, the authority to form and teach your own interpretation of the Bible?
KateriofMnisota 4 months ago
@KateriofMnisota I reject the premise of your question, Where in the bible does it say one needs special authority to interpret scripture? I know christ left authorities to proclaim and teach his gospel orally (Sola scriptura does not deny it) but where does it say that one has to have that authority to interpret?
Onetruthrgv 4 months ago
@KateriofMnisota You found out rome was the true church by whos interpretation of history and the bible, your own or Rome's? Obviously rome didn't interpret the scriptures and history for you since you were still searching if rome was the church thus you had to appeal to your own interpretation to see if rome is the true church, therfore you had no authority to interpret history and scripture thus you probably made a mistake when coming to your conclusion that rome is the true church.
Onetruthrgv 4 months ago
@KateriofMnisota My point is simply that your logic can be said to you, Thats why I said you have committed special pleading (Which is common in The roman church) Just as you believe that Jesus gave peter the only authority of the church by your fallible interpretation then the Mormons can claim that you came to that conclusion based off your fallible interpretation of scripture and history.
Onetruthrgv 4 months ago
@Onetruthrgv The division is because everyone wants to understand the Bible their own way. The Church is supposed to be ONE, not a thousand.... so thanks for admitting you're not even Christian! Good night, kid!
ChrisDaron 4 months ago
@ChrisDaron "The division is because everyone wants to understand the Bible their own way." do you have any proof of that claim or are you just assuming? I agree the church is to be one but where did it say physically one? My church can go to a picnic with a lutheran, baptist, Presbyterian and a methodist and we will all call each other brothers in christ yet before Vatican I your church wouldn't even spit in our direction. Sola scriptura has more unity.
Onetruthrgv 4 months ago
@Onetruthrgv The proof (you blind kid) is the thousands of denominations that are different and contradict each other. God doesn't want "many" sects. He wants ONE Church like it originally was.
If they call each other "bros", then they should be ONE, don't you think?
Common sense, please?
ChrisDaron 4 months ago
@ChrisDaron What do you mean? Sure we have differences in somethings, even Catholics do from the conservative to the liberal Catholics. Some sects worship Mary (Through consecration to her) and other truly give veneration, Some church believe its heresy to not face east when praying and others don't. I am sorry but then you must admit that there is disunity in your church by your standard. Where did God say we must be one in every doctrine Paul said "Each one should be convinced in his own mind"
Onetruthrgv 4 months ago
@Onetruthrgv Nope. The Roman Catholic Faith is ONE, like it's always been. Whoever worships Mary is simply NOT a Catholic... (the same with Protestants: the fact that they THINK and CALL THEMSELVES 'Christians' doesn't mean they really are... I mean.. HELLO! I am Mr. Rogers! right? Am I Mr. Rogers just because I say so?)
So, again, why are there so many sects in Protestantism? Jesus does say he wants O N E Church, the one He Himself established on Peter in Pentecost (no "Constantine")
ChrisDaron 4 months ago
@Onetruthrgv Then again, there are Catholics who are ignorant as well as Protestants who are ignorant (I mean, duh!) ONE Catholic you might have run into who didn't know anything doesn't mean he or she is the Church.
Kid, we've been attacked throughout the years. Around 2, 000. Sects come and go. The Truth and the Church as remained untouchable. The gates of Hell have not (and will NOT) do a thing to us.
Come home or stay with Luther.
ChrisDaron 4 months ago
@ChrisDaron But where did Jesus say that we all be physically one? Any true beleiver of Christ is part of his church, that what your church says, we are merely separated. "Kid, we've been attacked throughout the years". No sir, The protestants have been murder by Romes hands because we refused the Eucharist and to be under the authority of the Papist
Onetruthrgv 4 months ago
@Onetruthrgv I'm not talking about a "parish." I'm talking about His Church. His Church is visible.
The Protestants have been murdered by Rome? yeah...
How about the Catholics who were persecuted and murdered during the Reformation in Europe.. forget about that?
ChrisDaron 4 months ago
@Onetruthrgv Have you checked out my videos about the Papacy yet? You might find them interesting.
KateriofMnisota 4 months ago
@KateriofMnisota No I have not, I will take a look at them. Thanks =D
Onetruthrgv 4 months ago
@KarliJoanne Allow me to give you an example of what I mean.
If you and I were looking out of a window and I asked you if it was windy outside, how can you tell whether its windy or not by looking through the window? Simple, Look to see if trees are moving around or if leafs are blowing. Point being is the leafs blowing is the evidence of the wind being present. We can't see salvation but works are the evidence that they have salvation and not cause. Works = Evidence not causation
Onetruthrgv 4 months ago
@Onetruthrgv Yes, I understand what you are saying, but to me it seems that Scripture does not say that. For example Romans 2:5-16 just doesn't seem to be saying that.
KateriofMnisota 4 months ago
Faith alone is a Lutheran (not even Christian) theory that explains that by only believing you're saved.
The again, Satan believes in God as well.. and by no means is "it" saved.
Faith alone fails.
The theory is a good start, but there's NO WAY it is the ONLY way of salvation. You do need to believe first, but that's definitely NOT the end of what we're asked to do.
Good video, ma'am!
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ChrisDaron 4 months ago
@ChrisDaron Nobody who believes in Faith alone will disagree with you there, the bible clearly says that even Satan believes in God and yet is still unsaved, now does this main faith alone is insufficient? No not at all actually, you see We are saved by faith alone in Jesus but without repentance then our faith is dead. In other words the faith that Satan has in Jesus is one of acknowledgement but is an unrepentant faith. Jesus said why call me lord and do not what say.
Onetruthrgv 4 months ago
@Onetruthrgv To me it seems clear that a repentant faith can only mean faith + works, and so upholds the Catholic view. You might be interested to read what Luther meant by faith alone when he was teaching it. Luther once said, "Sin cannot tear you away from him [Christ], even though you commit adultery a hundred times a day and commit as many murders." Luther also called James an epistle of straw. I think many Protestants today have a more Catholic understanding of salvation than a Lutheran one
KarliJoanne 4 months ago
@Onetruthrgv Faith alone, though, in fewer words is invalid. You can believe all you want, but without His Precious Blood and Body, you are simple a "fan" but you're not with Him. You can believe all you want but without doing anything, you're still just a fan.
The Sola Scritura is another invention by Luther that everyone in Protestantism follows.
And, remember, the Bible (that I as a Catholic, and any Protestant holds) is a Catholic document.
Protestants PROTEST guided by a Catholic guide.
ChrisDaron 4 months ago
I think this is one of the best explanations of the catholic understanding of justification I've seen so far. I think the milk analogy is a great analogy that really gives you the best understanding of how Catholics understand salvation. God Bless! :)
thunderbolt94 4 months ago
@CrazyJvlog I'm so glad this was helpful for you!
KateriofMnisota 4 months ago