Frost0:Why don't you tone deaf, musically uneducated, rude, snobby, ignorant freaks go to hell and sit on a red hot coal because this is the biggest, the best and the only thrill that you will ever get in life. Why don't you tone deaf, musically uneducated, rude freaks go find a thrash concert to invade because all of you will fit in there better than you ever will in classical music you bunch of bitchy little girls- you're no longer welcome in the classical world ever again.
@frosts0 Furthermore Frost0 and the rest of you music is better seen then heard tone deaf, musically uneducated, rude, snobby, ignorant freaks-you all know who you are.
To all of the whiny, sniveling, tone deaf, bitch cakes here you all should take note of the real knowledgeable classical music lovers because they are the ones whose comments are positive and the whiny, sniveling, tone deaf bitch cakes should follow suit or find another site to bitch on because the classical world doesn't care and doesn't have time for your stupidity.
To the people on this site open to truly listening and giving a productive, positive opinion on Maxim Vengerov's as well as other violinist's concerto's your feedback is welcome and appreciated greatly:)..
Maxhandsendk kiss Maxim Vengerov's classical ass because it is the only, the best and the biggest thrill you will ever get in life and the rest of you sniveling, extremely tone deaf, over critical, whiny, paying bitch session patrons-you know who you all are can also kiss Vengerov's classical ass as well as the classical music worlds' asses which is the only, biggest and best thrill you will ever
To all of the extremely tone deaf, sniveling, over critical, whiny, paying patron bitches who love to hold bitch sessions about the worlds' greatest violinists on this site, you know who you are so get over yourselves. Maxhandsendk, your bitterness and jealousy toward Vengerov shows and you shouldn't wonder why he ran screaming from the room to get away from you.....
Mr, please please do not take the trouble to respond to maxhansenk, is a poor idiot who tries to play the violin and can not, it's a poor sort frustrated that could not get an autograph of Vengerov and still angry with him, therefore, this poor sick and insane amount of garbage written, stupid and meaningless crap that you and many of us read in all the channels where there are videos of Vengerov.
@frosts0 All, you're proving is that you don't possess a trained ear and that you are incapable of multi-tasking nor are you musically educated enough to understand the complexities of the composers vision which is conveyed through emotion by Maxim Vengerov, nor do you see the phenomenal timing employed by Vengerov throughout this concerto.....
I will always have an affinity for my childhood hearing of Isaac Stern. Brings back memories of my excitement at hearing this piece for the very first time. Outside of that special circumstance, I would have to say that the Heifetz recording with all the double-stop pyrotechnics added in is breathtaking.
I like this part of Tchaikovsky concerto in Leopold Auer arrangement, not in Mostras-Oystrakh as Maxim is playing and playing darn good. There is nothing amusing in his stage look. I don't think any famous sport players have better facial expression during the games or competitions. Back to music. Auer's arrangement is more difficult to perform (not a problem for Maxim), and tastier.
Joseph Nagyvary in 2003 build a violing so good as a Stradivarius, but use computer to help, so we can say that by only hands nobady was able to build something as good as a Stradivarius.
Scraping by in temporary ensembles at parties and weddings. Or will abandon the violin all together. The lucky ones will have at least the basics for an appreciation of violin music and its performers. This being a source of much joy for the rest of their lives.
The more talented among you may consider him- or herself lucky to ever get a position in the 3rd violin section of a 2nd rate orchestra. The majority will either end up teaching the violin to a bunch of unwilling kids whose parents think it cool for their offspring to mistreat a violin.
To those who made the derogatory remarks here about well known violinists in the past or present I would like to say this:
You make the impression that you are either studying the violin or pursuing a career as a violinist. Well, here are some facts: the chance that any of you aspiring violinists will ever be a soloist is so astronomically small as to be virtually non-existent. Let alone that you will ever be on par with any of the aforementioned violinists.
hahaha you dont have the half of the career he has... i know he seems retarded with his faces... but close your eyes, and listen to the music, then make comparisions...
Very nice. The rest of you arguing over who is better than the other, calm down and learn to enjoy the music, movement, and expressions for what they are. If you don't enjoy the music, don't listen. If you don't enjoy the movement or expressions, close your eyes. If you don't enjoy any of it, then I don't even know why you're spending your time here.
There's a lot of violinists that I don't really admire, even Oistrakh. To me, he was one of those violinists that when he played something well, he played REALLY well, and when there was something he played alright, it was mediocre. But, to my point, nevertheless I still love Oistrakh and admire his playing in his own style because he was able to captivate the audience with his unique interpretations of music. So let's act like adults and have a friendly debate rather than immature name-calling.
Furthermore, we are all entitled to our own opinion, so no one is right or wrong. Sure we may disagree, but that's never a reason to stir up an insult fight on a web-site.
And to include, Heifetz was not "boring". His playing had so much emotion and passion, but he was able to keep it all in without moving an inch, and that's what made him so great. Even Itzhak Perlman said that Heifetz was like a tornado: producing the greatest amount of energy and heat while staying still in its place.
You guys need to calm down. You guys are all acting like a buncha children, especially you OistrakhMilstein with your really childish comments: "Go suck his tits". Vengerov is a good violinist, but in my opinion, his phrasing is a bit butchered at times, but that doesn't make him any less than what he is now. I still enjoy his playing and his movements don't bother me at all because I know that his movements are sincere from what he feels from the music.
at these levels of virtuosic soloists, they all have incredible technique, but what separates them is their expression,and I think this makes Vengerov a very unique musician and i think he is a marvelous violinist.
you guys. just shut up and watch the friggin vid without making dumb and pointless comments. Vengerov actually doesnt do any unnecessary mvts for this performance in this particular clip. He actually uses his body to help make up for bowing and getting the exact tone he wants and i prefer that he play that way. Sensitive playing is a plus. All violinists mentioned beforehand are all great in different or similar ways. You guys arent one of them so dont go judging which is better than the other.
This video is excelent. In fact, Maxim Vengerov, Itzhak Pearlman and Nigel Kennedy are some of the best players. They are excelent. But I'm here for two reasons. First to congratulate you, by having this excelent "space" and second to ask which concerto is this from Tchaikovsky.
uh...tchaikovsky composed only one violin concerto...sorry, i know everyone wishes he had composed more but there is only one. i believe this is an excerpt from the first movement, correct me if im wrong
This video is excelent. In fact, Maxim Vengerov, Itzhak Pearlman and Nigel Kennedy are some of the best players. They are excelent. But I'm here for two reasons. First to congratulate you, by having this excelent "space" and second to ask which concerto is this from Tchaikovsky.
The facial expressions and other physical mannerisms of a musician are irrelevant to the quality of music he or she produces. When I listen to Heifetz, I hear a deep emotionally sensitivity underpinning every gesture, and a sense of epic phrase structures. When I watch Heifetz, I find that I would rather just listen to him, eyes closed. It's a mistake to focus on the visual aspect of the work being put into the music; it distracts from the music itself.
I could listen to Heifetz standing on my head blindfolded and still not feel anything when I hear him play. I don't like Vengerov because of how he moves or anything visual, I like him because his music makes me FEEL something.
@tuskmo I'm a classical vocalist and it is false that the physical mannerisms of the musician don't contribute to the music because they definitely do. If there is no expression on the musicians' or vocalists face when they are giving a concert then there is no feedback to gauge what the composer is trying to convey in the music....
So therefore emotional expressions must be conveyed throughout the composition in order to evoke deep emotion with in the listener. I've never had the problem of being distracted from the music while listening too and watching a classical musician or vocalist perform repertoire, the majority of the people who have been to a concert never have that problem....
The majority of people who attend concerts are able to focus both on the visual expressions and the complexity of the concerto's, aria's and art songs without becoming distracted-sorry but I disagree with your point on this
and i'm just wondering. how many of you have actually played this piece, and not just learned it, but to a point where it would be worthwhile to listen to.
i dont know to what extent you know about yo yo ma's technique, but i hope you know that the reason for his seeming disfigured posture is because of past surgeries and not to do with his training. and to call heifetz a robot is plain amateur. i assume you know he and david oistrakh are both considered two of the best violinists ever, and both surpass vengerov, itzhak perlman, sarah chang, joshua bell, midori, and every other famous violinist out there today by far.
I was trying to make a point about facial expressions. Calling Heifetz a robot isn't "amateur," it's an opinion. I know Heifetz and Oistrakh are CONSIDERED two of the best ever, but that's also an opinion, and it doesn't make them THE two best. I never said anything about liking Chang, Bell, or Midori. Stop being so snobby about older violinists. I love some of them too, like Milstein and Szeryng, but i'm not naive enough to think there won't ever be anyone on their level.
Oh yeah, Vengerov's technique is SO BAD. That's why he recorded The Last Rose of Summer when he was 15. I wonder why only 8 people have ever recorded that piece...
The Girl with the Flaxen Hair? You've got to be kidding me. It's REALLY boring. Zzzzzz
Bartok isn't harder, you just probably think it is because you just bought the sheet music for it and tried to struggle through the first page. Everything that Ernst wrote for the violin is harder than that sonata. Kremer is a great violinist as is Vengerov, don't bring him into this.
When are you going to learn, I don't care what you think. Mainly because you're wrong.
@OistrakhMilstein Words of wisdom from a completely tone deaf individual who couldn't hear a mouse fart to save your life, this explains your comment. Great!!!! because you will have better luck trying to get a wall to listen to your empty hateful B.S.-Wow how can one person be so jealous of such a gifted violinist. Try a thrash concert because you have a better chance of holding a gripe session there and being heard then you do on this board don't let the door hit you in the ass on the way out
Hmm, putting Perlman in the same category as Midori, Bell, Vengerov, Chang? Says a lot about your ability to judge music. Saying Perlman is fantastic is an understatement. It's quite possible he is the best violinist ever.
John, Heifetz was not a robot, in fact he was human, and a very expressive one at that that gave the world the most beautiful and romantic music. Yes, he was very "cold" on stage, but close your eyes and listen to him play. for you to say his playing was boring is a very uneducated response.
Although I admire Heifetz's technique and strive for perfect, it is his beauty of sound and emotional power that truly make him my favorite violinist. Listen to him play Mozart's Concerto #5, Spore concerto, Zigeunerweisen, and the Bruch Carmen Fantasy and you will hear more beauty than Vengerov could generate in his life. To be fair, Vengerov is my favorite violinist these days - whatever he lacks in beauty he makes up for with unique style and dynamic personality.
It's not even what people what to see, it's how individual performers respond to the music they're making. Some people get into it, and some people don't. By the way, if you've ever watched him, Feuermann does move around and make faces. Heifetz doesn't because, well, he's a robot. And it's reflected in his boring/perfect playing.
yo yo ma? looks like he's having orgasims on stage. but that's what people want to see these days. to them every cellist, violinist, and pianist look the same.
Oh lord, heaven forbid you guys let Maxim enjoy making music. By the way Wolfgang, I notice you like Yo Yo Ma a lot...do you have a problem with him swaying around with poor technique and making those faces as well? Thought so.
I'm a cellist, so of course I know he's one of the best, he's actually one of my favorites. I'm just saying he has bad technique/posture from a standard point of view. But hey, it works for him. Vengerov and Yo Yo Ma don't have textbook technique, but they get along just fine. What I was really saying is that Yo Yo gets into the music just as much as Vengerov, so you can't really talk shit about Maxim if you like Yo Yo.
Dude get real, the faces is what makes people THINK it's expressive but it has nothing to do with the music. It's ridiculous to grade expressiveness by looking at how many annoying faces one makes. Anyone could just play any piece of crap and make lots of stupid faces would you think it's expressive? It's about the music, not how the person looks.
It still matters how the person looks anyways, however little. Like if someone played very very musically but was like totally stiff and still or whatever it'd be like wtf?? At least I would be like wtf...-____-
That's what's good. That's what Heifetz and Feuermann were, the greatest performers. The less movement and facial expressions the better. It is just a distraction from the music so that people think it's all expressive when if you actually listen to the playing it sucks.
Watch this video again.. do you think it is expressive? Yes, it is very. Oh, I never said anything about his facial expression.. I think that you are wrong with your reply to my original comment and that most of the passages in music are expressed through the face and the right arm.
Maybe to you it's expressive, but not to me. That's all about opinion but I think it can be agreed by all that facial expressions have nothing to do with how good the music is.
the best ever!
nothing to say...amazing!!!
cortesepiloto 11 months ago
Frost0:Why don't you tone deaf, musically uneducated, rude, snobby, ignorant freaks go to hell and sit on a red hot coal because this is the biggest, the best and the only thrill that you will ever get in life. Why don't you tone deaf, musically uneducated, rude freaks go find a thrash concert to invade because all of you will fit in there better than you ever will in classical music you bunch of bitchy little girls- you're no longer welcome in the classical world ever again.
Firephenoix1 1 year ago
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Firephenoix1 1 year ago
@frosts0 Furthermore Frost0 and the rest of you music is better seen then heard tone deaf, musically uneducated, rude, snobby, ignorant freaks-you all know who you are.
Firephenoix1 1 year ago
What a beautiful Tchaikovsky Concerto, Maxim did a phenomenal job on this concerto as always:)
Firephenoix1 1 year ago
To all of the whiny, sniveling, tone deaf, bitch cakes here you all should take note of the real knowledgeable classical music lovers because they are the ones whose comments are positive and the whiny, sniveling, tone deaf bitch cakes should follow suit or find another site to bitch on because the classical world doesn't care and doesn't have time for your stupidity.
Firephenoix1 1 year ago
To the people on this site open to truly listening and giving a productive, positive opinion on Maxim Vengerov's as well as other violinist's concerto's your feedback is welcome and appreciated greatly:)..
To be continued
Firephenoix1 1 year ago
Maxhandsendk kiss Maxim Vengerov's classical ass because it is the only, the best and the biggest thrill you will ever get in life and the rest of you sniveling, extremely tone deaf, over critical, whiny, paying bitch session patrons-you know who you all are can also kiss Vengerov's classical ass as well as the classical music worlds' asses which is the only, biggest and best thrill you will ever
get. .....
To be continued
Firephenoix1 1 year ago
To all of the extremely tone deaf, sniveling, over critical, whiny, paying patron bitches who love to hold bitch sessions about the worlds' greatest violinists on this site, you know who you are so get over yourselves. Maxhandsendk, your bitterness and jealousy toward Vengerov shows and you shouldn't wonder why he ran screaming from the room to get away from you.....
To be continued...
Firephenoix1 1 year ago
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Firephenoix1 1 year ago
Hy
could yout upload the entire piece
hes the best!
yuripole0000 1 year ago
Bad orchestra...great soloist
MyMemories19 1 year ago
truely inspirational
violin957 2 years ago
Lovely playing!
Much as I approve of being emotional and lunging about and making faces while you play... I must be truthful... he kind of distrubs me... :-S
Violascry 2 years ago
perfect
stop talking and listen
melomansarasatiste 2 years ago
Mr, please please do not take the trouble to respond to maxhansenk, is a poor idiot who tries to play the violin and can not, it's a poor sort frustrated that could not get an autograph of Vengerov and still angry with him, therefore, this poor sick and insane amount of garbage written, stupid and meaningless crap that you and many of us read in all the channels where there are videos of Vengerov.
Brunildilla 2 years ago 4
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Vengerov is in love with himself!
Too bad he could not keep it private!
He is the most overrated violin player I have ever listened too.
Overconfident, overplaying, simply put - bad
maxhansendk 2 years ago
looks like he want to take a dumb
nobody112233445566 2 years ago
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Firephenoix1 1 year ago
terriblè!!!!
doezi 3 years ago
o r g a s m a g a i n a n d a g a i n
SoCalTrojan 4 years ago 12
lol
andrewmiyasaki 4 years ago
maxim vengerovasm
yellotheemcee 3 years ago
...once again proving that music is better heard than seen.
frosts0 4 years ago 3
fuck u
jepdez 3 years ago
ahahahhaahahah
Timoria41 3 years ago 2
@frosts0 All, you're proving is that you don't possess a trained ear and that you are incapable of multi-tasking nor are you musically educated enough to understand the complexities of the composers vision which is conveyed through emotion by Maxim Vengerov, nor do you see the phenomenal timing employed by Vengerov throughout this concerto.....
Firephenoix1 1 year ago
He could be a tad more expressive in his body language as he plays.
frosts0 4 years ago 2
who's your favorite in this piece?
andrewmiyasaki 4 years ago
I will always have an affinity for my childhood hearing of Isaac Stern. Brings back memories of my excitement at hearing this piece for the very first time. Outside of that special circumstance, I would have to say that the Heifetz recording with all the double-stop pyrotechnics added in is breathtaking.
frosts0 3 years ago
stevie wonder is better!
govibe 5 years ago
Almost a perfect interpretation of the "arrogant" look from the classic cartoons >_>
swengw 5 years ago
loud applause from me...
SharkBite55 5 years ago
Come on everyone. This is beautiful classical music. Must you all swear and be so nasty?
charleygirlford 5 years ago
Completely Agree...
willbillly 5 years ago
He is soo f*cking stiff
Vipmaxp 5 years ago
He should take that dick out of his ass...
thehornypuppy 5 years ago
I like this part of Tchaikovsky concerto in Leopold Auer arrangement, not in Mostras-Oystrakh as Maxim is playing and playing darn good. There is nothing amusing in his stage look. I don't think any famous sport players have better facial expression during the games or competitions. Back to music. Auer's arrangement is more difficult to perform (not a problem for Maxim), and tastier.
AXuHEA 5 years ago
Joseph Nagyvary in 2003 build a violing so good as a Stradivarius, but use computer to help, so we can say that by only hands nobady was able to build something as good as a Stradivarius.
jerryaltman 5 years ago
you are full of shit!!!!
yiggameister 5 years ago
No I don't. The only shit here it's you.
jerryaltman 5 years ago
Scraping by in temporary ensembles at parties and weddings. Or will abandon the violin all together. The lucky ones will have at least the basics for an appreciation of violin music and its performers. This being a source of much joy for the rest of their lives.
ms0110 5 years ago
The more talented among you may consider him- or herself lucky to ever get a position in the 3rd violin section of a 2nd rate orchestra. The majority will either end up teaching the violin to a bunch of unwilling kids whose parents think it cool for their offspring to mistreat a violin.
ms0110 5 years ago
To those who made the derogatory remarks here about well known violinists in the past or present I would like to say this:
You make the impression that you are either studying the violin or pursuing a career as a violinist. Well, here are some facts: the chance that any of you aspiring violinists will ever be a soloist is so astronomically small as to be virtually non-existent. Let alone that you will ever be on par with any of the aforementioned violinists.
ms0110 5 years ago
I play better than him... ( ^^) )
leocoimbracoimbra 5 years ago
um, sorry leocoimbracoimbra, but if you play better than him, your name must be Itzhak, or Pinchas or Issac.
charleygirlford 5 years ago
hahaha you dont have the half of the career he has... i know he seems retarded with his faces... but close your eyes, and listen to the music, then make comparisions...
morons... you all believe you are professionals
erikkournikov 5 years ago
LOL!!! AHAHAH you so right man, everyone on youtube think they know all about violin, and half dont even play haha
gnatural 5 years ago
i was kidding... offcourse i dont play better than him... he and perlman... im going to listen again.. :D
leocoimbracoimbra 5 years ago
mi neño toca mejorrshh
hinamorichan5 5 years ago
when a person is inspired physicaly expression does contrbute to the audible music and musi is not only hearing is also technique!! you fucking fag!
danielb93 5 years ago
wow he is a great player...im not very fond of this piece but still he is a great player non the less
skatekid501 5 years ago
This is from my favorite movement!! it wasn't nearly as well done in San Antonio.
God, it's gorgeous.
michellebell05 5 years ago
Very nice. The rest of you arguing over who is better than the other, calm down and learn to enjoy the music, movement, and expressions for what they are. If you don't enjoy the music, don't listen. If you don't enjoy the movement or expressions, close your eyes. If you don't enjoy any of it, then I don't even know why you're spending your time here.
quietus5590 5 years ago
not bad, but still not as good as oistrakh
AbsoluteZ3R0 5 years ago
There's a lot of violinists that I don't really admire, even Oistrakh. To me, he was one of those violinists that when he played something well, he played REALLY well, and when there was something he played alright, it was mediocre. But, to my point, nevertheless I still love Oistrakh and admire his playing in his own style because he was able to captivate the audience with his unique interpretations of music. So let's act like adults and have a friendly debate rather than immature name-calling.
SamLee0519 5 years ago
Furthermore, we are all entitled to our own opinion, so no one is right or wrong. Sure we may disagree, but that's never a reason to stir up an insult fight on a web-site.
And to include, Heifetz was not "boring". His playing had so much emotion and passion, but he was able to keep it all in without moving an inch, and that's what made him so great. Even Itzhak Perlman said that Heifetz was like a tornado: producing the greatest amount of energy and heat while staying still in its place.
SamLee0519 5 years ago
You guys need to calm down. You guys are all acting like a buncha children, especially you OistrakhMilstein with your really childish comments: "Go suck his tits". Vengerov is a good violinist, but in my opinion, his phrasing is a bit butchered at times, but that doesn't make him any less than what he is now. I still enjoy his playing and his movements don't bother me at all because I know that his movements are sincere from what he feels from the music.
SamLee0519 5 years ago
every time i watch this, i am speechless of his beautiful playing
jeongalex 5 years ago
Who said physical expression is not relevant to the performance? It is VERY relevant and important.
waistoi 5 years ago
physicaly expression does not contribute to the AUDIBLE music... music is hearing...
OistrakhMilstein 5 years ago
You're wrong
waistoi 5 years ago
at these levels of virtuosic soloists, they all have incredible technique, but what separates them is their expression,and I think this makes Vengerov a very unique musician and i think he is a marvelous violinist.
jeongalex 5 years ago
you guys. just shut up and watch the friggin vid without making dumb and pointless comments. Vengerov actually doesnt do any unnecessary mvts for this performance in this particular clip. He actually uses his body to help make up for bowing and getting the exact tone he wants and i prefer that he play that way. Sensitive playing is a plus. All violinists mentioned beforehand are all great in different or similar ways. You guys arent one of them so dont go judging which is better than the other.
SoCalTrojan 5 years ago
Hi
This video is excelent. In fact, Maxim Vengerov, Itzhak Pearlman and Nigel Kennedy are some of the best players. They are excelent. But I'm here for two reasons. First to congratulate you, by having this excelent "space" and second to ask which concerto is this from Tchaikovsky.
Ciao and see these.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=VmjGDBWZZFw&search=violin
Amaizing mozart cadenza ;)
GriegGypsy 5 years ago
uh...tchaikovsky composed only one violin concerto...sorry, i know everyone wishes he had composed more but there is only one. i believe this is an excerpt from the first movement, correct me if im wrong
jeongalex 5 years ago
Hi
This video is excelent. In fact, Maxim Vengerov, Itzhak Pearlman and Nigel Kennedy are some of the best players. They are excelent. But I'm here for two reasons. First to congratulate you, by having this excelent "space" and second to ask which concerto is this from Tchaikovsky.
Ciao and see these.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=VmjGDBWZZFw&search=violin
Amaizing mozart cadenza ;)
GriegGypsy 5 years ago
The facial expressions and other physical mannerisms of a musician are irrelevant to the quality of music he or she produces. When I listen to Heifetz, I hear a deep emotionally sensitivity underpinning every gesture, and a sense of epic phrase structures. When I watch Heifetz, I find that I would rather just listen to him, eyes closed. It's a mistake to focus on the visual aspect of the work being put into the music; it distracts from the music itself.
tuskmo 5 years ago
I could listen to Heifetz standing on my head blindfolded and still not feel anything when I hear him play. I don't like Vengerov because of how he moves or anything visual, I like him because his music makes me FEEL something.
johnc92 5 years ago
Listen to this
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7mpxuR9nXE0
if you don't think that is musical, go to your audiologist
OistrakhMilstein 5 years ago
@tuskmo I'm a classical vocalist and it is false that the physical mannerisms of the musician don't contribute to the music because they definitely do. If there is no expression on the musicians' or vocalists face when they are giving a concert then there is no feedback to gauge what the composer is trying to convey in the music....
Firephenoix1 1 year ago
So therefore emotional expressions must be conveyed throughout the composition in order to evoke deep emotion with in the listener. I've never had the problem of being distracted from the music while listening too and watching a classical musician or vocalist perform repertoire, the majority of the people who have been to a concert never have that problem....
Firephenoix1 1 year ago
The majority of people who attend concerts are able to focus both on the visual expressions and the complexity of the concerto's, aria's and art songs without becoming distracted-sorry but I disagree with your point on this
Firephenoix1 1 year ago
and i'm just wondering. how many of you have actually played this piece, and not just learned it, but to a point where it would be worthwhile to listen to.
mrjjc 5 years ago
your attitude is pretty obnoxious, even worse than this "OistrakhMilstein" kid
dfvjg 5 years ago
i dont know to what extent you know about yo yo ma's technique, but i hope you know that the reason for his seeming disfigured posture is because of past surgeries and not to do with his training. and to call heifetz a robot is plain amateur. i assume you know he and david oistrakh are both considered two of the best violinists ever, and both surpass vengerov, itzhak perlman, sarah chang, joshua bell, midori, and every other famous violinist out there today by far.
mrjjc 5 years ago
I was trying to make a point about facial expressions. Calling Heifetz a robot isn't "amateur," it's an opinion. I know Heifetz and Oistrakh are CONSIDERED two of the best ever, but that's also an opinion, and it doesn't make them THE two best. I never said anything about liking Chang, Bell, or Midori. Stop being so snobby about older violinists. I love some of them too, like Milstein and Szeryng, but i'm not naive enough to think there won't ever be anyone on their level.
johnc92 5 years ago
maybe if you actually thought for a second about how to make your point, then what you said would not have been misinterpreted.
dfvjg 5 years ago
Okay, how about this for you then, so there's no misinterpretation. HEIFETZ IS A ROBOT. End of story.
johnc92 5 years ago
heifetz has better technique than your precious vengerov. Go suck his tits
OistrakhMilstein 5 years ago
Oh yeah, Vengerov's technique is SO BAD. That's why he recorded The Last Rose of Summer when he was 15. I wonder why only 8 people have ever recorded that piece...
johnc92 5 years ago
Bartok solo sonata is harder. He plays it rather badly. Gidon Kremer is better.
I don't like vengerov because his music does NOT make me feel anything.
OistrakhMilstein 5 years ago
The Girl with the Flaxen Hair? You've got to be kidding me. It's REALLY boring. Zzzzzz
Bartok isn't harder, you just probably think it is because you just bought the sheet music for it and tried to struggle through the first page. Everything that Ernst wrote for the violin is harder than that sonata. Kremer is a great violinist as is Vengerov, don't bring him into this.
When are you going to learn, I don't care what you think. Mainly because you're wrong.
johnc92 5 years ago
@OistrakhMilstein Words of wisdom from a completely tone deaf individual who couldn't hear a mouse fart to save your life, this explains your comment. Great!!!! because you will have better luck trying to get a wall to listen to your empty hateful B.S.-Wow how can one person be so jealous of such a gifted violinist. Try a thrash concert because you have a better chance of holding a gripe session there and being heard then you do on this board don't let the door hit you in the ass on the way out
Firephenoix1 1 year ago
Hmm, putting Perlman in the same category as Midori, Bell, Vengerov, Chang? Says a lot about your ability to judge music. Saying Perlman is fantastic is an understatement. It's quite possible he is the best violinist ever.
jsnauwaert 5 years ago
John, Heifetz was not a robot, in fact he was human, and a very expressive one at that that gave the world the most beautiful and romantic music. Yes, he was very "cold" on stage, but close your eyes and listen to him play. for you to say his playing was boring is a very uneducated response.
calebmwebb 5 years ago
Although I admire Heifetz's technique and strive for perfect, it is his beauty of sound and emotional power that truly make him my favorite violinist. Listen to him play Mozart's Concerto #5, Spore concerto, Zigeunerweisen, and the Bruch Carmen Fantasy and you will hear more beauty than Vengerov could generate in his life. To be fair, Vengerov is my favorite violinist these days - whatever he lacks in beauty he makes up for with unique style and dynamic personality.
aimson 5 years ago
Educated response!
calebmwebb 5 years ago
It's not even what people what to see, it's how individual performers respond to the music they're making. Some people get into it, and some people don't. By the way, if you've ever watched him, Feuermann does move around and make faces. Heifetz doesn't because, well, he's a robot. And it's reflected in his boring/perfect playing.
johnc92 5 years ago
like lang lang? too expressive?
yo yo ma? looks like he's having orgasims on stage. but that's what people want to see these days. to them every cellist, violinist, and pianist look the same.
jazzonkim 5 years ago
Oh lord, heaven forbid you guys let Maxim enjoy making music. By the way Wolfgang, I notice you like Yo Yo Ma a lot...do you have a problem with him swaying around with poor technique and making those faces as well? Thought so.
johnc92 5 years ago
how dare you say yo-yo ma has poor technique... He's one of the best cellists in the world
OistrakhMilstein 5 years ago
I'm a cellist, so of course I know he's one of the best, he's actually one of my favorites. I'm just saying he has bad technique/posture from a standard point of view. But hey, it works for him. Vengerov and Yo Yo Ma don't have textbook technique, but they get along just fine. What I was really saying is that Yo Yo gets into the music just as much as Vengerov, so you can't really talk shit about Maxim if you like Yo Yo.
johnc92 5 years ago
so COCKY!
OistrakhMilstein 5 years ago
God he's annoying.
FoggyRoad81 5 years ago
he still plays better than virtually all of us....
DeusExes 5 years ago
Can you really be too expressive??
jkbs123 5 years ago
YES. What this guy does is obnoxious.
wolfgangcello 5 years ago
awesome video, i just finished playing that in sym. this season...when a guest artist came to town...very hard piece
vargas4l 5 years ago
what a short-short. Better than nothing. Vengerov is a good violinist, but he needsa to stop making faces. He needs the coolness of Ricci or Heifetz.
robotnik77 5 years ago
The "making faces" is part of what makes it so expressive. Plus it's interesting to watch. +__=
frenchflautista 5 years ago
Dude get real, the faces is what makes people THINK it's expressive but it has nothing to do with the music. It's ridiculous to grade expressiveness by looking at how many annoying faces one makes. Anyone could just play any piece of crap and make lots of stupid faces would you think it's expressive? It's about the music, not how the person looks.
zigeunerviolin 5 years ago
Meh meh meh, complain complain.
It still matters how the person looks anyways, however little. Like if someone played very very musically but was like totally stiff and still or whatever it'd be like wtf?? At least I would be like wtf...-____-
frenchflautista 5 years ago
That's what's good. That's what Heifetz and Feuermann were, the greatest performers. The less movement and facial expressions the better. It is just a distraction from the music so that people think it's all expressive when if you actually listen to the playing it sucks.
zigeunerviolin 5 years ago
Watch this video again.. do you think it is expressive? Yes, it is very. Oh, I never said anything about his facial expression.. I think that you are wrong with your reply to my original comment and that most of the passages in music are expressed through the face and the right arm.
jkbs123 5 years ago
Maybe to you it's expressive, but not to me. That's all about opinion but I think it can be agreed by all that facial expressions have nothing to do with how good the music is.
zigeunerviolin 5 years ago
vadim repin will educate maxim vengorov. haha jk both are incredible violinists.
ooziemac10 5 years ago
what i would give to play as musically as he does...just amazing.
Bratsche2000 5 years ago