As a private sector worker, who funds your pension? The answer is, all of us who contribute to the economy. If you impoverish public sector workers and destroy their spending power, your private sector employer will suffer from the falling off of demand in the market and your pension fund, reliant no doubt on shares in FTSE 100 companies, will also take a hit
This debate is being skewed by people who have as little interest in the pensions of private sector employees as those of public servants
Dependence is coming, since once the unregulated banks completely tank the economy again as they did in 2008, pushing the unemployment rate up to around 20%, not counting those who's unemployment benefits expire who arent counted in the official number, BTW currently we're at 9.2% officially but the estimate including those not officially counted bring the estimated current rate to about 16%
Bondage - I guess that would be mass destitution once the middle class is completely wiped out
Complacency - the vast majority of the public who arent paying attention to how the Washington Corporatists are screwing them
Apathy - where we're at now realizing that no one in Washington cares about jobs and all they care about is cutting gov't spending with no comparable revenue increases which any economist will tell you is a disastrous move during a recession
@crazytoeman Feminism has destroyed most of the men so they won't stand up and fight the power. We should be marching on DC with Guns tearing it down.
Loose fiscal policy - unprecedented tax cuts for the rich and corporatist interests
Dictatorship - Bush's noncongressional and non-UN backed war mongering
Monarchy - all the richest people and companies lobby and bribe polititions to do their bidding even when their bidding harms the majority (the not rich)
It wont let me post the link - so lookup on youtube: "Obama Breaks Down Why We Need Separation of Church & State"
Remember that Separation of Church & State that's mentioned in the Constitution?
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.
George Washington: "The United states is in no way founded upon the Christian doctrine.
Thomas Jefferson: "I do not find in orthodox Christianity one redeeming feature"
Abraham Lincoln: "The Bible is not my book, and Christianity is not my religion. I could never give assent to the long complicated statements of Christian dogma.
Quotes taken from Salvation For Sale, by Gerard Thomas Straub
So what was that you were saying about America being founded as a Christian nation?
This is for thoughs that are naive and don't think the media is all hardcore leftist propaganda and controlled media trying to protect Unions, expectially teachers Unions.
It may seem small to take bargaining rights now but that can easily lead to taking more freedom and possibly lead to the common worker being ruthlessly exploited and abused by the corporation.
And he plans to try and make it spread to other states to destroy bargaining rights. Yes, there is the $4 billion debt but what he's doing is cutting from important things like teachers and then turning around and giving huge tax breaks to corporations and the rich. If he hadn't of done that then this problem would be much easier to resolve. Teachers aren't paid very much as is and he's just taking more form them while the rich get richer.
They are not protesting because of the cuts in the benefits package. They are protesting to keep bargaining rights. The agreed to paying more for their health benefits and such as long as they can keep the right to sit at a table and bargain, which by the way does not cost the state anything and is therefore not a budget issue yet Scott Walker won't even discuss it or make a compromise. He was even caught admitting that it's not a budget issue in a phone conversation......
The argument is about whether or not America is a Christian nation.
I never claimed that the founding fathers weren't Christians. I claimed, and still claim that America is not a Christian nation nor has it ever been a Christian nation.
Now answer my question.
Does the fact that Norway was founded by vikings who believed in Thor and Odin, make Norway a Norse mythology country?
If not, how can you claim that America is a Christian nation because the founders were Christian?
I agree with this young lady.I'm a public employee but believe in working and serving the "taxpayer".Yes I also pay taxes but understand it is the taxpayer that produces 100% of my pay check.Many people who work in the public sector forget what the word "public service"means.Money does not grow on trees.If you want to become wealthy work in the private sector or start your own business.If you want to earn a living work in the public sector.
@xxdonaldqxxx Bravo to you, sir! A lot of Wisconsinites and in fact a lot of Americans feel the same way... but they are usually the silent, hardworking part of society. And we could certainly use a few more. Thank you for watching and commenting!
@christy0misty Your welcome young lady. Hopefully you will be able to educate and inform young people in your age bracket who have been brainwashed into thinking money grows on trees.
@christy0misty I understand the founding fathers WERE Christians, in that they believed in God the Creator, yet one thing to remember is that most of them despised the organized aspect of religion (i.e. the church).
@Reveal1912 I agree, it is up to the people. It's up to them to know, understand and respect that the authority is acting with good intent. If that intent is not good, it's their duty to replace it with a government with better goals.
@UllrPallson I think you're under a great assumption that the Founding Fathers were even justified in open Revolution against the Crown then be worried about their political theories. Which are, nontheless, inadequate.
If you can't even define the good then how can you have good intent?
@TheAccidentalFascist I assure you, the people can define their own good. So long as it is not presented as half-truths and falsities, as it is today, they can tell.
I guarantee you, ask a farmer which law he's prefer: a law which lowers taxes on crop or a law which requires him to get permission to grow certain crops. The "good" comes from being useful to the people, and not solely the government. The early founders understood this, the current institution does not.
@UllrPallson I would suggest that a farmer would perfer farm subsidies. That's the problem if you let people define their own good, may not necessarily benefit anybody else or society in a larger sense.
Now, what happens if you let the good come prior to the end - your comments suggest the good is letting people define the good - then necessarily being virtuous. You end up moral realtivism and emotivism and 56 trillion dollars of unfunded liabilities.
@TheAccidentalFascist Now, you have the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution which offer no concept of the good other then "All men are created equal" and a list of rights. That becomes part of the American political culture, you have Lincoln saying "All men are created euqal" is "the father of all moral princple.": And eventually you get the two political parties. Liberals and Conservative Liberals who believe still believe that "All men are created equal."
@TheAccidentalFascist The only differnce between a liberal and a conservative liberal is who they blame about the deficienent nature of society. Neither has even come close to solving any meaningful problem. Ask the majority of liberals why poor people are still poor - racism. Ask the majority of liberal conservatives here why poor people are still poor - big government stiffles businesses.
I consider my political views as an amalgamation of Fascism and Republicanism, wherein the educated and elected officials would make all relevant choices with the unspoken agreement (or perhaps spoken, as in legally binding) that all their choices must effectively support the livelihood of the people.
@UllrPallson I simply mean that people know what is basically good.
I don't believe the right to vote should be granted based simply on existence, as obviously people sometimes vote against their own mutual benefit. Yet, most people recognize that raising taxes to fund amnesty for illegal immigrants is by and large a waste.
@Reveal1912 The problem with democracy is that nobody is repsonabile. You really can't really blame the electrate because that's where the goverments gets its legitmate authority from. Another thing is that the elected officals do not necessarily share the same interest - the principle-agent problem.
Essentially, Democracy is a household being run by a hired babysitter and elected by children.
@ImperiousViking LOL, you're definitely not the first to retract your statement once discovering I'm one of "those crazy Christians." No worries. I am kinda worried about two ignorant statements of yours, though... that is, you thinking the Bible was written by people who thought the Earth was the center of the universe, and that the American Constitution is secular. In all sincerity, please research? Those statements were good for a laugh, though; I genuinely ROFLed. :)
The oldest Christian Bibles is from the from the 4th century.
Galileo Galilei was not born until 1564.
Psalm 104:5 says, "the Lord set the earth on its foundations; it can never be moved." Further, Ecclesiastes 1:5 states that "And the sun rises and sets and returns to its place"
there is my research =)
and as for the constitution... nowhere does it appeal to God, Christianity, Jesus, or any supreme being...
I am currently writing an essay on the constitution.
@ImperiousViking Sorry but you couldn't be more wrong blog4history(.)com/2010/06/were-the-founding-fathers-christians/ Not only that but in the Declaration of Independence it specifically says "the separate and EQUAL station to which the laws of nature and of nature's God entitle them" there's also a plethora of quotes from the founding fathers to back up that they had strong Christian faith. BTW Franklin was actually a deist an i hope you would know the difference between deists an atheist
Sorry for not replying sooner. When more the one person replies to your comment, you only see the last reply.
please read: The First Amendment and The Constitution Article VI - Debts, Supremacy, Oaths.
Yes I know the difference between deist and atheist, but you don't have to be an atheist to "not be a Christian" I never said America was a Atheist nation. I said America is NOT a Christian nation.
Also the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution are two different things
@ImperiousViking Specious reasoning on your part. Article Vl says no religious test shall ever be required as a qualification to any office or public trust, that doesn't back up your claim. All it means is that you don't have to be a Christian, has nothing to do with America being founded a Christian nation, which it clearly was considering the plethora of quotes/education the founders received. BTW the Constitution and the declaration are separate documents, but there BOTH founding documents
@ImperiousViking Once again, specious reasoning and and an absolutely terrible argument. The Declaration of Independence was created BEFORE the Constitution and has more claim on being the founding document for America. without the declaration, we would have never even gotten to the Constitution. Also, you are again incorrect, the Constitution is the RULES for the society, to find out/understand the intent of those rules the founders intended for us to go to the declaration.
OMG... You do know that the first 10 amendments are called the bill of RIGHTS not the bill of RULES? (or the 10 commandments for the matter)
Of course the Deceleration of Independence was written before the Constitution. The Deceleration of Independence is what separated you from British rule and the Constitution is what founded the US.
However I am curious to know where in the Deceleration of Independence, it says that America is a Christian nation?
@ImperiousViking The founders specifically showed us that if there is a question regarding the meaning of something in the Constitution that you are to ascertain that meaning by looking at the Bill of Rights, a simple concept. there's a link that should clarify your confusion, pay special attention to John Quincy Adams afn(.)org/~govern/Christian_Nation(.)html
BTW the declaration specifically mentions nature's God, vast majority of founders were Christian, speaks for itself
No it does not speak for itself. The only thing that speaks for itself is the First Amendment.
Funny how only Christians think America is a Christian nation.
If America is a Christian nation why did George Washington and John Adams approve the Treaty of Tripoli, which states in Article 11 that "... the United States of America is not in any sense founded on the Christian Religion..."
That seems like an odd think to do, if you in fact were a Christian nation =/
@ImperiousViking Again, specious reasoning brought on by your twisted notion Christianity is some sort of fascism. The fact is Christian values are consistent with the values this nation was founded on, John Quincy Adams/John Jay specifically say it's a Christian nation.
Treaty of Tripoli remained on the books for 8 years, at which time the treaty was renegotiated, and Article 11 was DROPPED. TEMPORARY treaty's irrelevant compared to the 100 to 1 evidentiary advantage. LOL you're bad at this
What makes you think that that I think that Christianity is some sort of fascism? I think no such thing.
If America WAS founded on Christian values, then slavery would be legal since it's OK in the bible, homosexuality would be illegal, blasphemy would be illegal hence you wouldn't have freedom of speech, there would be no church state separation, you would not be allowed to work on a Sunday, and there would be no capitalism because that involves coveting your neighbor's house
@ImperiousViking LOL this last post displayed such a warped view of Christianity that it most assuredly removed you from any serious undertones I might have thought you possessed before. Your lack of understanding between old and new testament is stunningly poor, as is your absurd notion of some sort of anti-capitalism hippie Jesus. It had been interesting speaking with you about this for a while. But this last dreadful and illogical post of yours is truly disappointing. Too bad
Here we fucking go again "That was the Old Testament"
The Old Testament is 75% of the bible. But all the bad things in the Old Testament don't count anymore because Jesus died for our sins. Things like the 10 commandments still count, but stoning unruly children that is outdated.
BTW coveting your neighbor's house is form the 10 commandments, I never said the Jesus was a hippie
If you pick and choose the things you wanna follow, then what good is the bible anyway?
@ImperiousViking Come on. You know better. This is not a matter of picking and choosing. I am getting irritated because I explained this to you very clearly via private message and you are still beating a dead horse. As I explained before, the only reason the 10 commandments are still legit (though in the Old Testament) is because the standard Jesus calls us to in the New Testament is EVEN HIGHER. Everything in the 10 commandments is included and surpassed in the New Testament.
@ImperiousViking I have not the time to get involved in flame wars... But if you'd go read our Constitution or even Declaration of Indpendence you would have to be insane, delusional, or perhaps mentally handicapped not to recognize that we were founded as a Christian nation. Those two documents don't even come close to telling the whole story of our national heritage, either. There are so many thousands of clues elsewhere that I cannot even begin to list them here.
I understand that you don't have time to read all the comments, but as I've stated several times the Constitution has absolutely no mention of God, Jesus or Christianity. And I think maybe you are the one who needs the Constitution, especially the First Amendment. America is secular and that is why Obama said what he said.
@ImperiousViking NO, Obama said we are "no longer" a Christian nation. Because we ONCE WERE. Even HE recognizes that! I'd like you to get educated on the founding fathers, please. Jefferson. Washington. Anybody. You will find the facts stacked overwhelmingly against you.
I know most of the founding fathers were Christian. However it's funny that you mentioned George Washington who was a deist, but anyways as I've stated earlier.
Norway was founded by vikings who believed in Thor and Odin, does that make Norway a Norse mythology country?
The same goes for Iceland, Sweden and Denmark.
Australia was founded by criminals does that make Australia a criminal country?
This is for thoughs that are naive and don't think the media is all hardcore leftist propaganda and controlled media trying to protect Unions, expectially teachers Unions.
In Ontario Canada by the way, is the worlds strongest and most powerfull teachers union, they owned massive ammounts of money in everything from Car Companys to the biggest Tobbaco companys to even entire Malls.
This is for thoughs that are naive and don't think the media is all hardcore leftist propaganda and controlled media trying to protect Unions, expectially teachers Unions.
In Ontario Canada by the way, is the worlds strongest and most powerfull teachers union, they owned massive ammounts of money in everything from Car Companys to the biggest Tobbaco companys to even entire Malls.......................................................
@christy0misty You know something, young lady? I once thought the exact same way as you regarding the Founding Fathers. I would blame innocence, really. Why, if you are not wicked, would you anticipate wickedness in others? But Washington was a Mason, and there is a picture of him in Congress's Prayer Room praying to the Eye of Horus (Egyptian god of War, who had a DEADLY WOUND in his head!!!). Now, not all the Founders were in secret societies, but most of our Presidents are.
@christy0misty Furthermore, I have to ask you, why else is it so impossible to fix our system of government. I believe it was designed to be broken. Why else are different people beginning to call the Founders the "Framers?" Not only to take out the term "Fathers," but is there a deeper meaning to these things? Consider what Masons do when they build an arch: first, they put in a Frame, then they build it out of Two Sides, then they put in the Capstone, then remove the Frame.
@christy0misty Lucifer is clearly the Capstone in Babylon. Of course, there is a Framework, a Constitution (the word means the same thing as frame, mind you) of Two Sides, which perpetually PUSH against each other. This IS the United States government. It is a patently obvious truth, yet I have never heard it spoken in my entire life. How can you topple the Capstone (the devil) who rules you? It's an arch. You can't topple it easily, just as it was intended.
@christy0misty That's the way I see it, anyway. The primary possibility of the erosion of civil liberties (which is so obvious I don't even think I need to prove that) is a police state. Now, the government already has passed various Acts to breach normal civil liberty. I can only think that this is the Master Mason, having inspected the Capstone, who orders the Frame removed, while he stands under the arch (a tradition so that, if the work is not stable, then it will crush him).
@ImperiousViking LOL you really make a living out of specious reasoning. The New Testament is what we're given to clarify and refined the Old Testament. Apparently to you the idea that someone would clarify the rules is just unheard of LOL.
Also, your "coveting" rationale is brought beyond moronic, you really going to try to stand on the idea that coveting only takes place in capitalism? Good luck, after all socialism doesn't call for the confiscation of wealth or anything :rolleyes:
@bigboss686 LOL you really make a living out of making false claims. You've claimed that I think that "Christianity is some sort of fascism" and that Jesus was a anti-communist hippie. You keep attacking my "warped view on Christianity" rather them my arguments. You just call them specious reasoning, then go on to spout bullshit. The only argument you've come with is that most of the founding fathers were Christians, and God is mentioned in the DOI.
@ImperiousViking Your warped view of Christianity is your argument. If it weren't you wouldn't have made the idiotic accusations you have in regards to capitalism's relationship to Christianity or your ridiculous assertion Re: article vl. Jakes on you. BTW I provided a plethora of evidence. Your argument is akin to saying fingerprints, eyewitness testimony and the prybar used to enter for a robbery are not good enough to convict because there's no video evidence. Your reasoning quite specious.
@pinegrove33 Yeah it is! I spent yesterday at the capitol, and noted that at this stage of the game, they're cutting their losses and ultimately screaming, "Take anything but our collective bargaining rights!" They're now saying, "Fine, we'll pay up on health care a bit, but don't you dare take away our [over-inflated, powerful] 'rights' to demand even more benefits and higher salary to compensate."
@pinegrove33 I mean seriously, what's the point of just trimming their benefits packages only to leave them the collective bargaining rights, which allow them to strangle the taxpayers and just demand MORE benefits and higher salary? (Though actually they can still negotiate salary, to a limited extent.) I've gotta hand it to Walker... he keeps promises, and really knows what he's doing.
I, however, view myself as a proponent of some sort of amalgamation of Classical Republicanism and Monarchy / Fascism. So to my understanding, this removal of power from public officals could only work hand-in-hand with a deep and ingrained belief in the value of ones fellow countrymen and countrywomen, which is not wholly feasible with today's emphasis on multiculturalism and individualism.
@UllrPallson The problem is that radical individualism requires soft totalitarianism to preserve the atomized individual. All those civic societies would still be manage by a bureaucratic elite - the Managerial State. The establishment of a good government dose not lay in structural reforms but rather in the virtue of the people.
Your brain might be the most beautiful part of you... although it has some serious competition...
melbyRick 2 months ago
You are so bright!
crangdaniel 3 months ago
As a private sector worker, who funds your pension? The answer is, all of us who contribute to the economy. If you impoverish public sector workers and destroy their spending power, your private sector employer will suffer from the falling off of demand in the market and your pension fund, reliant no doubt on shares in FTSE 100 companies, will also take a hit
This debate is being skewed by people who have as little interest in the pensions of private sector employees as those of public servants
atosafi1 4 months ago
i enjoy listening you, i hope i will keep on hearing from you !
koreanmarco 6 months ago
Dependence is coming, since once the unregulated banks completely tank the economy again as they did in 2008, pushing the unemployment rate up to around 20%, not counting those who's unemployment benefits expire who arent counted in the official number, BTW currently we're at 9.2% officially but the estimate including those not officially counted bring the estimated current rate to about 16%
Bondage - I guess that would be mass destitution once the middle class is completely wiped out
crazytoeman 7 months ago
Selfishness - Richest multinational corporations demanding (and receiving) unprecedented tax cuts, subsidies and bailouts.
Complacency - the vast majority of the public who arent paying attention to how the Washington Corporatists are screwing them
Apathy - where we're at now realizing that no one in Washington cares about jobs and all they care about is cutting gov't spending with no comparable revenue increases which any economist will tell you is a disastrous move during a recession
crazytoeman 7 months ago
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@crazytoeman Feminism has destroyed most of the men so they won't stand up and fight the power. We should be marching on DC with Guns tearing it down.
Luigi84289 4 months ago
Loose fiscal policy - unprecedented tax cuts for the rich and corporatist interests
Dictatorship - Bush's noncongressional and non-UN backed war mongering
Monarchy - all the richest people and companies lobby and bribe polititions to do their bidding even when their bidding harms the majority (the not rich)
crazytoeman 7 months ago
It wont let me post the link - so lookup on youtube: "Obama Breaks Down Why We Need Separation of Church & State"
Remember that Separation of Church & State that's mentioned in the Constitution?
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.
crazytoeman 7 months ago
George Washington: "The United states is in no way founded upon the Christian doctrine.
Thomas Jefferson: "I do not find in orthodox Christianity one redeeming feature"
Abraham Lincoln: "The Bible is not my book, and Christianity is not my religion. I could never give assent to the long complicated statements of Christian dogma.
Quotes taken from Salvation For Sale, by Gerard Thomas Straub
So what was that you were saying about America being founded as a Christian nation?
crazytoeman 7 months ago
@crazytoeman
remember the mayflower, and the liberty to practice religion in the new found land
warrior4just 4 months ago
i was with you until you started bringing religion into the equation.
JackofOneTrade567 10 months ago
Teachers Unions Gone Wild - Volume I
/watch?v=WdqQTIQhn5A
This is for thoughs that are naive and don't think the media is all hardcore leftist propaganda and controlled media trying to protect Unions, expectially teachers Unions.
phr34kyy 11 months ago
It may seem small to take bargaining rights now but that can easily lead to taking more freedom and possibly lead to the common worker being ruthlessly exploited and abused by the corporation.
traffictragedy03 11 months ago
And he plans to try and make it spread to other states to destroy bargaining rights. Yes, there is the $4 billion debt but what he's doing is cutting from important things like teachers and then turning around and giving huge tax breaks to corporations and the rich. If he hadn't of done that then this problem would be much easier to resolve. Teachers aren't paid very much as is and he's just taking more form them while the rich get richer.
traffictragedy03 11 months ago
They are not protesting because of the cuts in the benefits package. They are protesting to keep bargaining rights. The agreed to paying more for their health benefits and such as long as they can keep the right to sit at a table and bargain, which by the way does not cost the state anything and is therefore not a budget issue yet Scott Walker won't even discuss it or make a compromise. He was even caught admitting that it's not a budget issue in a phone conversation......
traffictragedy03 11 months ago
@Bluecrescent1
OMG
The argument is about whether or not America is a Christian nation.
I never claimed that the founding fathers weren't Christians. I claimed, and still claim that America is not a Christian nation nor has it ever been a Christian nation.
Now answer my question.
Does the fact that Norway was founded by vikings who believed in Thor and Odin, make Norway a Norse mythology country?
If not, how can you claim that America is a Christian nation because the founders were Christian?
ImperiousViking 1 year ago
@Bluecrescent1
Norway was founded by vikings who believed in Thor and Odin, does that make Norway a Norse mythology country?
The same goes for Iceland, Sweden and Denmark.
Australia was founded by criminals does that make Australia a criminal country?
ImperiousViking 1 year ago
Hey thanks for the Tytler quote. I'm a Scot, and I'd never even heard of this guy!
dalriada842 1 year ago
I agree with this young lady.I'm a public employee but believe in working and serving the "taxpayer".Yes I also pay taxes but understand it is the taxpayer that produces 100% of my pay check.Many people who work in the public sector forget what the word "public service"means.Money does not grow on trees.If you want to become wealthy work in the private sector or start your own business.If you want to earn a living work in the public sector.
xxdonaldqxxx 1 year ago
@xxdonaldqxxx Bravo to you, sir! A lot of Wisconsinites and in fact a lot of Americans feel the same way... but they are usually the silent, hardworking part of society. And we could certainly use a few more. Thank you for watching and commenting!
christy0misty 1 year ago
@christy0misty Your welcome young lady. Hopefully you will be able to educate and inform young people in your age bracket who have been brainwashed into thinking money grows on trees.
xxdonaldqxxx 1 year ago
@christy0misty I understand the founding fathers WERE Christians, in that they believed in God the Creator, yet one thing to remember is that most of them despised the organized aspect of religion (i.e. the church).
@Reveal1912 I agree, it is up to the people. It's up to them to know, understand and respect that the authority is acting with good intent. If that intent is not good, it's their duty to replace it with a government with better goals.
UllrPallson 1 year ago
@UllrPallson I think you're under a great assumption that the Founding Fathers were even justified in open Revolution against the Crown then be worried about their political theories. Which are, nontheless, inadequate.
If you can't even define the good then how can you have good intent?
TheAccidentalFascist 1 year ago
@TheAccidentalFascist I assure you, the people can define their own good. So long as it is not presented as half-truths and falsities, as it is today, they can tell.
I guarantee you, ask a farmer which law he's prefer: a law which lowers taxes on crop or a law which requires him to get permission to grow certain crops. The "good" comes from being useful to the people, and not solely the government. The early founders understood this, the current institution does not.
UllrPallson 1 year ago
@UllrPallson I would suggest that a farmer would perfer farm subsidies. That's the problem if you let people define their own good, may not necessarily benefit anybody else or society in a larger sense.
Now, what happens if you let the good come prior to the end - your comments suggest the good is letting people define the good - then necessarily being virtuous. You end up moral realtivism and emotivism and 56 trillion dollars of unfunded liabilities.
TheAccidentalFascist 1 year ago
@TheAccidentalFascist Now, you have the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution which offer no concept of the good other then "All men are created equal" and a list of rights. That becomes part of the American political culture, you have Lincoln saying "All men are created euqal" is "the father of all moral princple.": And eventually you get the two political parties. Liberals and Conservative Liberals who believe still believe that "All men are created equal."
TheAccidentalFascist 1 year ago
@TheAccidentalFascist The only differnce between a liberal and a conservative liberal is who they blame about the deficienent nature of society. Neither has even come close to solving any meaningful problem. Ask the majority of liberals why poor people are still poor - racism. Ask the majority of liberal conservatives here why poor people are still poor - big government stiffles businesses.
That's the evolution of modern American politics.
TheAccidentalFascist 1 year ago
@TheAccidentalFascist Well I don't disagree with anything you've said.
I consider my political views as an amalgamation of Fascism and Republicanism, wherein the educated and elected officials would make all relevant choices with the unspoken agreement (or perhaps spoken, as in legally binding) that all their choices must effectively support the livelihood of the people.
UllrPallson 1 year ago
@UllrPallson I simply mean that people know what is basically good.
I don't believe the right to vote should be granted based simply on existence, as obviously people sometimes vote against their own mutual benefit. Yet, most people recognize that raising taxes to fund amnesty for illegal immigrants is by and large a waste.
UllrPallson 1 year ago
@UllrPallson A lot better then posting videos on Men's Right Movement and taking position of Meta Mangina-ism.
TheAccidentalFascist 1 year ago
@Reveal1912 The problem with democracy is that nobody is repsonabile. You really can't really blame the electrate because that's where the goverments gets its legitmate authority from. Another thing is that the elected officals do not necessarily share the same interest - the principle-agent problem.
Essentially, Democracy is a household being run by a hired babysitter and elected by children.
TheAccidentalFascist 1 year ago
I hope whoever ends up with you deserves you. Wow.
mtb416 1 year ago
@mtb416 You are too kind. Thank you for watching! :)
christy0misty 1 year ago
Thank you.
mtb416 1 year ago
I really don't wanna be one of those "you're hot" guys.... But
You are quite attractive and intelligent too, and that is a rare combination among women, no offence.
Please move to Norway and become my viking-bride. With your blond hair and blue eyes you'll fit right in here.
ImperiousViking 1 year ago
@ImperiousViking
woah...
I retract my statement...
still attractive and all, but I no longer want you as my viking-bride
It is intolerant! your God isn't real, the bible was written by people who though the earth was the center of the universe.
The American Constitution is secular, you are not a Christian nation...
ImperiousViking 1 year ago
@ImperiousViking LOL, you're definitely not the first to retract your statement once discovering I'm one of "those crazy Christians." No worries. I am kinda worried about two ignorant statements of yours, though... that is, you thinking the Bible was written by people who thought the Earth was the center of the universe, and that the American Constitution is secular. In all sincerity, please research? Those statements were good for a laugh, though; I genuinely ROFLed. :)
christy0misty 1 year ago
@christy0misty
The oldest Christian Bibles is from the from the 4th century.
Galileo Galilei was not born until 1564.
Psalm 104:5 says, "the Lord set the earth on its foundations; it can never be moved." Further, Ecclesiastes 1:5 states that "And the sun rises and sets and returns to its place"
there is my research =)
and as for the constitution... nowhere does it appeal to God, Christianity, Jesus, or any supreme being...
I am currently writing an essay on the constitution.
ImperiousViking 1 year ago 2
@ImperiousViking Sorry but you couldn't be more wrong blog4history(.)com/2010/06/were-the-founding-fathers-christians/ Not only that but in the Declaration of Independence it specifically says "the separate and EQUAL station to which the laws of nature and of nature's God entitle them" there's also a plethora of quotes from the founding fathers to back up that they had strong Christian faith. BTW Franklin was actually a deist an i hope you would know the difference between deists an atheist
bigboss686 1 year ago
@bigboss686
Sorry for not replying sooner. When more the one person replies to your comment, you only see the last reply.
please read: The First Amendment and The Constitution Article VI - Debts, Supremacy, Oaths.
Yes I know the difference between deist and atheist, but you don't have to be an atheist to "not be a Christian" I never said America was a Atheist nation. I said America is NOT a Christian nation.
Also the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution are two different things
ImperiousViking 1 year ago
@ImperiousViking Specious reasoning on your part. Article Vl says no religious test shall ever be required as a qualification to any office or public trust, that doesn't back up your claim. All it means is that you don't have to be a Christian, has nothing to do with America being founded a Christian nation, which it clearly was considering the plethora of quotes/education the founders received. BTW the Constitution and the declaration are separate documents, but there BOTH founding documents
bigboss686 1 year ago 2
@bigboss686
No they are not.
The Constitution is your founding document, which as I stated earlier has absolutely no mention of God, Jesus or Christianity.
The Declaration of Independence is a document that was written to basically say "F off British bastards"
It is the Constitution you read when you want to find out what your rights are. The rights that were given to you by the founding fathers, NOT God.
The First Amendment says it all. Go read it!
ImperiousViking 1 year ago
@ImperiousViking Once again, specious reasoning and and an absolutely terrible argument. The Declaration of Independence was created BEFORE the Constitution and has more claim on being the founding document for America. without the declaration, we would have never even gotten to the Constitution. Also, you are again incorrect, the Constitution is the RULES for the society, to find out/understand the intent of those rules the founders intended for us to go to the declaration.
bigboss686 1 year ago
@bigboss686
OMG... You do know that the first 10 amendments are called the bill of RIGHTS not the bill of RULES? (or the 10 commandments for the matter)
Of course the Deceleration of Independence was written before the Constitution. The Deceleration of Independence is what separated you from British rule and the Constitution is what founded the US.
However I am curious to know where in the Deceleration of Independence, it says that America is a Christian nation?
Please tell me =)
ImperiousViking 1 year ago
@ImperiousViking The founders specifically showed us that if there is a question regarding the meaning of something in the Constitution that you are to ascertain that meaning by looking at the Bill of Rights, a simple concept. there's a link that should clarify your confusion, pay special attention to John Quincy Adams afn(.)org/~govern/Christian_Nation(.)html
BTW the declaration specifically mentions nature's God, vast majority of founders were Christian, speaks for itself
bigboss686 1 year ago
@bigboss686
No it does not speak for itself. The only thing that speaks for itself is the First Amendment.
Funny how only Christians think America is a Christian nation.
If America is a Christian nation why did George Washington and John Adams approve the Treaty of Tripoli, which states in Article 11 that "... the United States of America is not in any sense founded on the Christian Religion..."
That seems like an odd think to do, if you in fact were a Christian nation =/
please tell me why...
ImperiousViking 1 year ago
@ImperiousViking Again, specious reasoning brought on by your twisted notion Christianity is some sort of fascism. The fact is Christian values are consistent with the values this nation was founded on, John Quincy Adams/John Jay specifically say it's a Christian nation.
Treaty of Tripoli remained on the books for 8 years, at which time the treaty was renegotiated, and Article 11 was DROPPED. TEMPORARY treaty's irrelevant compared to the 100 to 1 evidentiary advantage. LOL you're bad at this
bigboss686 1 year ago
@bigboss686
-_-
What makes you think that that I think that Christianity is some sort of fascism? I think no such thing.
If America WAS founded on Christian values, then slavery would be legal since it's OK in the bible, homosexuality would be illegal, blasphemy would be illegal hence you wouldn't have freedom of speech, there would be no church state separation, you would not be allowed to work on a Sunday, and there would be no capitalism because that involves coveting your neighbor's house
ImperiousViking 1 year ago
@ImperiousViking LOL this last post displayed such a warped view of Christianity that it most assuredly removed you from any serious undertones I might have thought you possessed before. Your lack of understanding between old and new testament is stunningly poor, as is your absurd notion of some sort of anti-capitalism hippie Jesus. It had been interesting speaking with you about this for a while. But this last dreadful and illogical post of yours is truly disappointing. Too bad
bigboss686 1 year ago
@bigboss686
Here we fucking go again "That was the Old Testament"
The Old Testament is 75% of the bible. But all the bad things in the Old Testament don't count anymore because Jesus died for our sins. Things like the 10 commandments still count, but stoning unruly children that is outdated.
BTW coveting your neighbor's house is form the 10 commandments, I never said the Jesus was a hippie
If you pick and choose the things you wanna follow, then what good is the bible anyway?
ImperiousViking 1 year ago
@ImperiousViking Come on. You know better. This is not a matter of picking and choosing. I am getting irritated because I explained this to you very clearly via private message and you are still beating a dead horse. As I explained before, the only reason the 10 commandments are still legit (though in the Old Testament) is because the standard Jesus calls us to in the New Testament is EVEN HIGHER. Everything in the 10 commandments is included and surpassed in the New Testament.
christy0misty 1 year ago
@christy0misty
OK fine, let's not make this a debate about the Old vs the New Testament.
Where is your proof that America is a Christian nation?
That is what started this whole thing, and that is what bigboss686 is yet to prove.
ImperiousViking 1 year ago
@ImperiousViking I have not the time to get involved in flame wars... But if you'd go read our Constitution or even Declaration of Indpendence you would have to be insane, delusional, or perhaps mentally handicapped not to recognize that we were founded as a Christian nation. Those two documents don't even come close to telling the whole story of our national heritage, either. There are so many thousands of clues elsewhere that I cannot even begin to list them here.
christy0misty 1 year ago
@christy0misty
I understand that you don't have time to read all the comments, but as I've stated several times the Constitution has absolutely no mention of God, Jesus or Christianity. And I think maybe you are the one who needs the Constitution, especially the First Amendment. America is secular and that is why Obama said what he said.
Case closed.
ImperiousViking 1 year ago
@ImperiousViking NO, Obama said we are "no longer" a Christian nation. Because we ONCE WERE. Even HE recognizes that! I'd like you to get educated on the founding fathers, please. Jefferson. Washington. Anybody. You will find the facts stacked overwhelmingly against you.
christy0misty 1 year ago 7
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@christy0misty
I know most of the founding fathers were Christian. However it's funny that you mentioned George Washington who was a deist, but anyways as I've stated earlier.
Norway was founded by vikings who believed in Thor and Odin, does that make Norway a Norse mythology country?
The same goes for Iceland, Sweden and Denmark.
Australia was founded by criminals does that make Australia a criminal country?
ImperiousViking 1 year ago
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Teachers Unions Gone Wild - Volume I
/watch?v=WdqQTIQhn5A
This is for thoughs that are naive and don't think the media is all hardcore leftist propaganda and controlled media trying to protect Unions, expectially teachers Unions.
In Ontario Canada by the way, is the worlds strongest and most powerfull teachers union, they owned massive ammounts of money in everything from Car Companys to the biggest Tobbaco companys to even entire Malls.
phr34kyy 11 months ago
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Teachers Unions Gone Wild - Volume I
/watch?v=WdqQTIQhn5A
This is for thoughs that are naive and don't think the media is all hardcore leftist propaganda and controlled media trying to protect Unions, expectially teachers Unions.
In Ontario Canada by the way, is the worlds strongest and most powerfull teachers union, they owned massive ammounts of money in everything from Car Companys to the biggest Tobbaco companys to even entire Malls.......................................................
phr34kyy 11 months ago
@christy0misty You know something, young lady? I once thought the exact same way as you regarding the Founding Fathers. I would blame innocence, really. Why, if you are not wicked, would you anticipate wickedness in others? But Washington was a Mason, and there is a picture of him in Congress's Prayer Room praying to the Eye of Horus (Egyptian god of War, who had a DEADLY WOUND in his head!!!). Now, not all the Founders were in secret societies, but most of our Presidents are.
EvilsOfFeminism 9 months ago
@christy0misty Furthermore, I have to ask you, why else is it so impossible to fix our system of government. I believe it was designed to be broken. Why else are different people beginning to call the Founders the "Framers?" Not only to take out the term "Fathers," but is there a deeper meaning to these things? Consider what Masons do when they build an arch: first, they put in a Frame, then they build it out of Two Sides, then they put in the Capstone, then remove the Frame.
EvilsOfFeminism 9 months ago
@christy0misty Lucifer is clearly the Capstone in Babylon. Of course, there is a Framework, a Constitution (the word means the same thing as frame, mind you) of Two Sides, which perpetually PUSH against each other. This IS the United States government. It is a patently obvious truth, yet I have never heard it spoken in my entire life. How can you topple the Capstone (the devil) who rules you? It's an arch. You can't topple it easily, just as it was intended.
EvilsOfFeminism 9 months ago
@christy0misty That's the way I see it, anyway. The primary possibility of the erosion of civil liberties (which is so obvious I don't even think I need to prove that) is a police state. Now, the government already has passed various Acts to breach normal civil liberty. I can only think that this is the Master Mason, having inspected the Capstone, who orders the Frame removed, while he stands under the arch (a tradition so that, if the work is not stable, then it will crush him).
EvilsOfFeminism 9 months ago
@ImperiousViking LOL you really make a living out of specious reasoning. The New Testament is what we're given to clarify and refined the Old Testament. Apparently to you the idea that someone would clarify the rules is just unheard of LOL.
Also, your "coveting" rationale is brought beyond moronic, you really going to try to stand on the idea that coveting only takes place in capitalism? Good luck, after all socialism doesn't call for the confiscation of wealth or anything :rolleyes:
bigboss686 1 year ago
@bigboss686 LOL you really make a living out of making false claims. You've claimed that I think that "Christianity is some sort of fascism" and that Jesus was a anti-communist hippie. You keep attacking my "warped view on Christianity" rather them my arguments. You just call them specious reasoning, then go on to spout bullshit. The only argument you've come with is that most of the founding fathers were Christians, and God is mentioned in the DOI.
Sorry mate but not good enough...
ImperiousViking 1 year ago
@ImperiousViking Your warped view of Christianity is your argument. If it weren't you wouldn't have made the idiotic accusations you have in regards to capitalism's relationship to Christianity or your ridiculous assertion Re: article vl. Jakes on you. BTW I provided a plethora of evidence. Your argument is akin to saying fingerprints, eyewitness testimony and the prybar used to enter for a robbery are not good enough to convict because there's no video evidence. Your reasoning quite specious.
bigboss686 11 months ago
@ImperiousViking Why thank you. No way that could be offensive. And funny you should mention that... my ancestry actually IS mostly Norwegian. :)
christy0misty 1 year ago
@christy0misty
a can tell =)
you have some Nordic traits.
ImperiousViking 1 year ago
Can you please provide me with a link to that letter by FDR, I would greatly appreciate it.
It would also be a good idea to include a link for it in your description, thank you
bigboss686 1 year ago 2
@bigboss686 YouTube won't allow me to post it here as a comment, but I've put it in the description for ya - thanks for the reminder! :)
christy0misty 1 year ago 2
Smart girl, indeed.
62636263c 1 year ago
@62636263c Much appreciated... :)
christy0misty 1 year ago
*very* well done ... A++++
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DittoGlen 1 year ago
@DittoGlen Thank you. :)
christy0misty 1 year ago
I have no idea why they think they shouldn't pay for their own health care it's nuts.
pinegrove33 1 year ago
@pinegrove33 Yeah it is! I spent yesterday at the capitol, and noted that at this stage of the game, they're cutting their losses and ultimately screaming, "Take anything but our collective bargaining rights!" They're now saying, "Fine, we'll pay up on health care a bit, but don't you dare take away our [over-inflated, powerful] 'rights' to demand even more benefits and higher salary to compensate."
christy0misty 1 year ago
@pinegrove33 I mean seriously, what's the point of just trimming their benefits packages only to leave them the collective bargaining rights, which allow them to strangle the taxpayers and just demand MORE benefits and higher salary? (Though actually they can still negotiate salary, to a limited extent.) I've gotta hand it to Walker... he keeps promises, and really knows what he's doing.
christy0misty 1 year ago
I fully agree with the quoted excerpt.
I, however, view myself as a proponent of some sort of amalgamation of Classical Republicanism and Monarchy / Fascism. So to my understanding, this removal of power from public officals could only work hand-in-hand with a deep and ingrained belief in the value of ones fellow countrymen and countrywomen, which is not wholly feasible with today's emphasis on multiculturalism and individualism.
Otherwise, wonderful videos you've got here
UllrPallson 1 year ago
@UllrPallson Thanks!
christy0misty 1 year ago
@UllrPallson The problem is that radical individualism requires soft totalitarianism to preserve the atomized individual. All those civic societies would still be manage by a bureaucratic elite - the Managerial State. The establishment of a good government dose not lay in structural reforms but rather in the virtue of the people.
TheAccidentalFascist 1 year ago