@hcaice2 And if you're wondering if they know what they're doing: the director of this group has studied extensively with master musicians in Colombia and plays with Grupo Rebolu, North America's premiere Afro-Colombian music band. He is also a music anthropologist and lecturer on traditional Colombian music. So yes, they very much know what they're playing and how to play it. They are they only people in the MIdwest that know how to play this music and they learned it in Colombia.
@flsuarezcampos I understand what you said but this video is misleading. Mapale, as you might know well, is part of the intrinsic Afro-Colombian and Afro-Ecuadorian folklores and cultures of the Caribbean and cost regions, respectively. When I watch this video I see neither African descents nor a specific description of the cultural or artistic background of the folks that are performing on it.
@hcaice2 This video is misleading. Ok the description literally says "a sample of Ngoma Alegre live", where do they claim to be the superior authority on all things Afro-Colombian? Nowhere. This video isn't misleading in that it doesn't make any claims to anything. I will claim right now that they play this music better than ANYONE in the Midwest. I gaurantee you. I want to meet these friends of your that "practice" mapale. If you really live in Chicago you'll put me in touch with them.
@flsuarezcampos By no meas I am implying that this type of music can only be performed by African descendents. This show, according to my personal experience, is very different from what one could normally expect when Mapale is performed by Afro Colombian/Ecuadorians, and this is just my personal statement and you can take it as it pleases you, no my issue.
@hcaice2 Bro know your really showing the extent of your ignorance. If you knew the first thing about Mapale you would know that it is from the Caribbean coast of Colombia, and doesn't come anywhere near Ecuador. Where afro-ecuadorians and afro-colombians share a heritage is in Marimba de Chonta genres such as Currulaos and Abozaos. But Currulao is a tradition TOTALLY apart from Mapale, and Mapale even more apart from anything afro-ecuadorian from the Chota valley or anywhere else in ecuador
@hcaice2 Tell you what if you can introduce me to one person in Chicago who dances Mapale better than my sister, or plays Mapale on the traditional alegre better than me, I WILL PERSONALLY GIVE YOU $1,000 CASH. It won't be a problem since you live in Chicago right? BTW saying you know people that "practice" mapale stinks of colonialist rhetoric. Are you even Colombian? If so I bet you're one of these cachacos that thinks they know it all. Worst thing is your a liar too,but you got caught up bro
@lamaddussa Colombia has the largest African population of any Spanish-speaking country in the world, they are concentrated in the Caribbean and Pacific coasts of Colombia. If you're asking where are the African Colombians in this video I can tell you that this group is from Chicago where the Colombian community is small and there are less than 10 colombians of African descent living in Chicago and they play other genres from the Pacific coast. (This is music from the caribbean coast)
@hcaice2 Colombia has the largest African population of any Spanish-speaking country in the world, the populations are concentrated in the Caribbean and Pacific coasts of Colombia. If you're asking where are the African Colombians in this video I can tell you that this group is from Chicago where the Colombian community is small and there are less than 10 colombians of African descent living in Chicago and they play other genres from the Pacific coast. (This is music from the caribbean coast)
@flsuarezcampos I agree with many of the things you mentioned, especially with your appreciation about the representation of people of African descent in Colombia. Unfortunately, they as well as the indigenous people are still underprivileged communities with limited access to health care, education, and employment which overlooks their contribution to the dynamics of the Colombian society including but not limited to music and arts.
@flsuarezcampos I am curious about where or how you got the information regarding the number of Afro-Colombians in Chicago. I must say that you are poorly informed and very unfamiliar with the actual numbers. I live in Chicago and I personally know more than 10 Afro-Colombians who practice different musical genres including Mapale. Btw, you would be surprised about the number of Afro-Colombians that actually live in Chicago.
@hcaice2 I would like you to tell me of any Afro-Colombian family besides the Mosqueras and the Montaños who are doing musical/cultural work in Chicago, and possibly Ramon the director of Estampa Colombiana...tell me that please I would love to know. I know for a fact you're full of it. If you're from Chicago and know so much about Afro-Colombian music then where are you at the music, dance and history workshops that we administer with master artists from Colombia on a yearly basis?
@hcaice2 yeah I know all about the situation of afro-descendant and indigenous groups in Colombia, thanks. That's why I'm helping to found a community traditional arts school in San Basilio de Palenque (do you even know where that is or why its a special place?). Don't believe me? Google "Chicago Music for Colombia - Scratch Crib - Chicago Sun-Times" and you'll see an article from the Chicago Sun-Times about my work in Palenque: BTW I hope you take me up on my offer for those $1,000 cash
Where are the African Colombians?
hcaice2 2 years ago
@hcaice2
it's a reasonable question...
lamaddussa 1 year ago
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@lamaddussa
I thinks so too, I'm not quite sure if they even know what they're doing or if they know the background behind that.
IF u want to see the talent of African Colombians, check this out:
"El Mapale en Cartagena" or "Prende la Vela" here on Youtube
hcaice2 1 year ago
@hcaice2 And if you're wondering if they know what they're doing: the director of this group has studied extensively with master musicians in Colombia and plays with Grupo Rebolu, North America's premiere Afro-Colombian music band. He is also a music anthropologist and lecturer on traditional Colombian music. So yes, they very much know what they're playing and how to play it. They are they only people in the MIdwest that know how to play this music and they learned it in Colombia.
flsuarezcampos 10 months ago
@flsuarezcampos I understand what you said but this video is misleading. Mapale, as you might know well, is part of the intrinsic Afro-Colombian and Afro-Ecuadorian folklores and cultures of the Caribbean and cost regions, respectively. When I watch this video I see neither African descents nor a specific description of the cultural or artistic background of the folks that are performing on it.
hcaice2 10 months ago
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hcaice2 10 months ago
@hcaice2 This video is misleading. Ok the description literally says "a sample of Ngoma Alegre live", where do they claim to be the superior authority on all things Afro-Colombian? Nowhere. This video isn't misleading in that it doesn't make any claims to anything. I will claim right now that they play this music better than ANYONE in the Midwest. I gaurantee you. I want to meet these friends of your that "practice" mapale. If you really live in Chicago you'll put me in touch with them.
flsuarezcampos 10 months ago
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@flsuarezcampos By no meas I am implying that this type of music can only be performed by African descendents. This show, according to my personal experience, is very different from what one could normally expect when Mapale is performed by Afro Colombian/Ecuadorians, and this is just my personal statement and you can take it as it pleases you, no my issue.
hcaice2 10 months ago
@hcaice2 Bro know your really showing the extent of your ignorance. If you knew the first thing about Mapale you would know that it is from the Caribbean coast of Colombia, and doesn't come anywhere near Ecuador. Where afro-ecuadorians and afro-colombians share a heritage is in Marimba de Chonta genres such as Currulaos and Abozaos. But Currulao is a tradition TOTALLY apart from Mapale, and Mapale even more apart from anything afro-ecuadorian from the Chota valley or anywhere else in ecuador
flsuarezcampos 10 months ago
@hcaice2 Tell you what if you can introduce me to one person in Chicago who dances Mapale better than my sister, or plays Mapale on the traditional alegre better than me, I WILL PERSONALLY GIVE YOU $1,000 CASH. It won't be a problem since you live in Chicago right? BTW saying you know people that "practice" mapale stinks of colonialist rhetoric. Are you even Colombian? If so I bet you're one of these cachacos that thinks they know it all. Worst thing is your a liar too,but you got caught up bro
flsuarezcampos 10 months ago
@lamaddussa Colombia has the largest African population of any Spanish-speaking country in the world, they are concentrated in the Caribbean and Pacific coasts of Colombia. If you're asking where are the African Colombians in this video I can tell you that this group is from Chicago where the Colombian community is small and there are less than 10 colombians of African descent living in Chicago and they play other genres from the Pacific coast. (This is music from the caribbean coast)
flsuarezcampos 10 months ago
@hcaice2 Colombia has the largest African population of any Spanish-speaking country in the world, the populations are concentrated in the Caribbean and Pacific coasts of Colombia. If you're asking where are the African Colombians in this video I can tell you that this group is from Chicago where the Colombian community is small and there are less than 10 colombians of African descent living in Chicago and they play other genres from the Pacific coast. (This is music from the caribbean coast)
flsuarezcampos 10 months ago
@flsuarezcampos I agree with many of the things you mentioned, especially with your appreciation about the representation of people of African descent in Colombia. Unfortunately, they as well as the indigenous people are still underprivileged communities with limited access to health care, education, and employment which overlooks their contribution to the dynamics of the Colombian society including but not limited to music and arts.
hcaice2 10 months ago
@flsuarezcampos I am curious about where or how you got the information regarding the number of Afro-Colombians in Chicago. I must say that you are poorly informed and very unfamiliar with the actual numbers. I live in Chicago and I personally know more than 10 Afro-Colombians who practice different musical genres including Mapale. Btw, you would be surprised about the number of Afro-Colombians that actually live in Chicago.
hcaice2 10 months ago
@hcaice2 I would like you to tell me of any Afro-Colombian family besides the Mosqueras and the Montaños who are doing musical/cultural work in Chicago, and possibly Ramon the director of Estampa Colombiana...tell me that please I would love to know. I know for a fact you're full of it. If you're from Chicago and know so much about Afro-Colombian music then where are you at the music, dance and history workshops that we administer with master artists from Colombia on a yearly basis?
flsuarezcampos 10 months ago
@hcaice2 yeah I know all about the situation of afro-descendant and indigenous groups in Colombia, thanks. That's why I'm helping to found a community traditional arts school in San Basilio de Palenque (do you even know where that is or why its a special place?). Don't believe me? Google "Chicago Music for Colombia - Scratch Crib - Chicago Sun-Times" and you'll see an article from the Chicago Sun-Times about my work in Palenque: BTW I hope you take me up on my offer for those $1,000 cash
flsuarezcampos 10 months ago