Matthew 24: 29 "Immediately AFTER the tribulation of those days the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light, ................; 30 then will appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the Son of man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory; 31 and he will send out his angels with a loud trumpet call, and they will gather his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.
Excellent video, interesting reasoning, scriptual backing, overall a good argument, leaves us with something to consider while evaluating the truth for our selves, thank you.
Not trying to be smart, but can you explain the parable of the bridegroom and having our lamps ready with oil(holy spirit) and the ones who didn't and were left ?
@SpecialEffectsRecord Seems to me self explanitory they are not welcome to the wedding feast, which takes place after the wedding, which takes place after the bridegroom cometh, and they arent just left they are left in outer darkness besides after Christs return there is an often overlooked 1000 year reign here on earth, BTW im not agreeing or disagreeing with you or this video im just saying my opinion on your question.
I do pray for those who are so wishing to go home! They call it the "Rapture", but it is not the "Harpazo", it is simply being at "ground zero" of any given event; likely a flood and likely by fire raining down upon them. It is not a bad thing, just not the "blessing" that so many are wanting. I have made my peace and I have taken my vows, I know I will endure until His return when he comes with an "iron rod" against those who are lost. I Loved this simple and eloquent reasoning! Thank you!
@Greensage44 You are so lost and corrupted, you do not understand the weight lifted off your shoulders for believing in yourself not god. You live a life of control and no freedom. This damn book, you call the bible, is a set of rules written thousands of years ago with demonic stories such as Exodus 10:20 "But the LORD hardened Pharaoh's heart, so that he would not let the children of Israel go."
Jack Van Impe has been looking into prophecy for decades, but even he has admitted that his thoughts on certain things years ago may not have been accurate and has changed his way of thinking on them these days. The ten toes on the statue in Daniel is a prime example.
I think he may be wrong about a pre-trib rapture, but time will tell the story.
yes there is proof. the latin vulgate uses the word rapiermore or rapture in 1 thess. verse13-18 chap. 4. in the english translation the phrase is caught up. thats the rapture.
All I am sure is that this body {flesh} have to die {rot}. The dust goes back to dust.
Since the spirit does not die or rot, it is raptured!
Where the spirit goes/ is ruptured to, there is also a body. All I need is holiness by Holy Spirit's purification. Holy Spirit's mark is a guarantee of Eternity.
Good Spirits do not die but live. Bad spirits will die and so, the bad are removed for the good to shine.
As always, there are "Christians" cherry picking the gospels. John 17:15 is referring to the people Jesus has given his gospel to, and the disciples. It about protecting people from the "Evil One" and nothing more. So, do not try to create something that is not there. Read the entire chapter for its true meaning, and quit misleading people.
@ZManEnt Actually the gospels were written after most of the epistles, so for first century believers it made
all sense as they had more information about the harvest (Thessalonians and Corinthians) thus they had no problem to put John 17 into perspective; the prayer for the protection from the evil one for the believers, extends from the year 33 till moment of the harvest, the believers won't be here during the wrath of YHWH.
The return on Earth of YHM will be after the wrath of YHWH.
Well, there will be a rapture in the sense that we will be caught up in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air according to 1 Thessalonians 4:17. But that will happen when every eye sees Jesus, after the falling away and the man of sin is revealed showing himself that he is God in the temple of God. So we will basically meet Him in the air merely to do just that- meet Him as He comes down and touches His feet on the Mount of Olives.
The rapture and Jesus second coming, are two separate prophetic events!
It doesn't matter what people think, and what they say! Nothing is going to change Gods plan. Heb. 6:18
1 Thessalonians 5:9 For God did not appoint us to wrath, but to obtain salvation through our Lord Jesus Christ. That says at all! Amen. Praise the Lord.
The great tribulation... is the wrath of God! No question about it.
He'll be seen in the clouds saying come up here. Safety. Gods judgements were meant for the wicked. Look, did noah get gods wrath, did Lot? His 2nd coming shall be fierce and strong defeating the anti christ in the sight of the saints. Then the kingdom established on earth.Point being, we all trust in Jesus. May the will of god be done and to stop bickering over things. I have read the bible with an open mind, it seems clear to be pulled from gods wrath. You say different.Thats ok,I still <3 Yah
I cannot think of another dogma and man-made doctrine of fable that has caused more deception and confusion as well as bickering amongst the Brethren than the pre-trib rapture falsehood, clearly mired in deceit by its creator, the "god of confusion." And every year those possessed by this lie fall into the same delusion over and over, saying that it will happen on X date and at X time, and of course NOTHING happens which proves the deception to be factual and a lie.
@urgentmissionrecords no, youre wrong. 1 thess. chap. 4 verse 13-18 refers tot the rapture as being caught up. the latin vulgate uses the word rapiemur or rapture. also remember that satan cannot deceive the whole world until all believers are taken out of the world. then only will the unbelievers be left to be deceived. if there is no rapture, then why would it say so in 1 thess. chap 4 verse 13-18? thats not meant to deceive. thats the explanation of the rapture.
@reliinfo the apocalypse chap. 3 verse 10, says, " because you have kept my word of patience, i too, will keep thee FROM the hour of trial". that means before the tribulation, we shall be raptured. that occurs in chap. 4. Jesus never says i will put you THROUGH it. in the greek text the word is, " eck" or from. "dia" is through. and the greek text doesnt use "dia" only "eck".
no, the pre havest or rapture, by its own definition, comes before the tribulation not after. the only ones who will go through it are the ones who are not saved through the blood of Jesus Christ. i ve pointed out in the apocalypse that the rapture comes first then the tribulation. matt 24;29 is referring to the white throne judgement. all believers in Christ will be raptured. not all groups who dont believe in Him. believers will be taken and kept from the tribulation not go through it.
@bigblondman1 we disagree; the ones who are not saved will undergo the wrath,
there is no proof of rapture in Re 3, Ma 24:29 is not the white throne judgment.
because there is no indication of that in the text. the heavens refer to the normal skies not Heaven
the elect will be gathered by angels from all four winds.
you are right that all believers groups in Christ will be harvested in the first resurrection because all others will be raised in the second resurrection.
@reliinfo we certainly do. and many scholars disgree with you as well. i think more disagree than agree. im no scholar but i know jack van impe would disagree with you and he knows much more than both of us combined. just because it doesnt state that it is the white throne judgement in the text doesnt mean it isnt so. the gathering together is for the purpose of judgement not the rapture. thats where we disagree the most.
true, we all make mistakes but van impe rarely does. im aware that the white throne judgement is after the millenium. i happen to think that matt 24;29 refers to the judgement after the millenium. i think van impe does too. as ive said before and so has van impe, the church must be taken out before satan can deceive the world. remember matt. gospel was speaking to the jews not christians. remember too that the rapture is for christian believers saved by Christ. jews dont believe that.
@reliinfo no, Yeshua says the church is kept from the hour of trial, not to go through it. that would mean the rapture comes first. i'm sure van impe can clarify this far better than i can.
@bigblondman1 they messed up biblical understanding of applying correctly the meaning of Jews and Gentiles, because it can differ from verse to verse. One must be open to the Ruach YHWH in order to
receive the revelation, discernment and application.
Also; there are over 30 pre-trib-rap texts that do not really prove the pre-tribulation rapture.
@reliinfo isnt it all more importantly a matter of faith? if Jesus said i will keep you from the hour of trial. then that is so. why would He contradict Himself? to coin a phrase, "o, ye of little faith". well if they dont prove the pre trib-rapture then whats there purpose?
@reliinfo we can split all the hairs we want and never figure this out. as ive said i think jack van impe can explain this much better to both of us. i simply choose to believe how he explains it. either way we both end up in heaven.
@bigblondman1 Well, i do not believe in pre, mid, post (one event) tribulation and partial rapture theories, but you are right, it doesn't matter it will happen anyway.
Though i must add that Van Impe made some wrong deductions in a video commenting on Harold Camping's predictions for 5/21/11 and 10/21/11. but of course we all make mistakes,
Sorry for the typos; trail instead of trial, but as you know, a trial can have a long trail.
yes indeed. we all make mistakes. but i give van impe credit that he at least owns up to his, not like many televangelists who dont. camping was just a flake. even he repented by saying he will not try to predict anymore. typos are common, certainly by me so no need to apologize for that. i still believe in the pre trib rapture because it gives me hope to escape the trial. if im wrong then ill just have to be dissappointed. but i dont think i am. my faith in the word is strong. peace to you.
@reliinfo i still believe in the pre trib. it cannot happen soon enough for me. i pray everyday for it. im tired of hearing these preachrs tell me that Hes coming soon. ive been hearing that for nearly 40 years. that certainly isnt soon. im hoping condstantly that soon means perhaps a year or two. but we dont know. i just keep hoping. i really want it to happen to me and all believers. come quickly Lord Jesus, and really soon. please.
perhaps. but, im not in that much of a hurry. i am convinced by what the bible says that there is a pre trib rapture. satan cannot deceive the world until all believers are taken out of the world. thats why i believe in a pre trib rapture. you dont, but i do. it doesnt make any sense for the Lord to allow all believers and unbelievers to suffer through the tribulation or even half of it. that torment is reserved for the unbelievers believers will be spared. thats the reward for believing.
but hasnt all that been pre-determined by God in the first place? mankind has been suffering for centuries but thats not the point. if we are indeed going through many trials and tribs now then what is the point of thess2? or apocalypse 3;10? why is any of this stated if it doesnt mean what it says? yes the apostasy has been steadily developing for decades. so when is it finally here? ill tell you when. Jesus decides its enough. then the rapture comes. and then all hell breaks loose.
@reliinfo i think your over generalizing the meaning of those words in the context of the chapters in which they were written. pragmatically you may be right. but if the word is truly a mystery, then you cannot dismiss the concept of the rapture by practical definition. its a matter of faith. that cannot be explained away.
@bigblondman1 Probably you refer to the rapture as a mystery, it was...until Paul disclosed it to the
Thessalonians and to the Corinthians, i do not dismiss the concept of the rapture, it is just a wrong
description of the snatch away (natzal, harpazo, rapiemur) what is actually the Harvest as described by Matthew (24:31) & John (Re 14:15) people confuse it with judgment because the Harvest is connected with judgment : the tribunal of Christ is not the white throne of Judgment of Re 20.
satan cannot deceive the world if there are believers in it to oppose and contradict him. why would Jesus allow all of us to endure the worst tribulation in the history of the world if we indeed have salvation by His sacrafice? that doesnt make sense. the bible says he who endures to the end shall be saved but what end? the age? the tribulation? ones personal trials? what? st. paul said to comfort one another with the words that refer to the rapture. wheres the comfort, if theres no rapture?
@bigblondman1 Satan is deceiving the world, believers can oppose him in their personal life and the
areas where they have authority over him, but you can't exercise authority over him ALL over the world because he is the god of this world for now. Not all believers will have the same experiences during tribulatiion, some will be protected and others not, it all ends with the Harvest. The tribulation will be nothing compared to the Wrath of YHWH, So there is comfort in the harvest (rapture).
you miss the point. satan cannot deceive the whole world until all beleivers are first raptured or as you say, harvested. thats where we differ. i believe the rapture will come first before the trib. i dont believe God will punish all believers with non- believers. that doesnt make sense and is contrary to a merciful God saving those who believe in Him. yes satan always deceives but not at the grand scale to come. which can only come after the rapture. those protected ones are the ones raptured
@bigblondman1 Satan can only deceive unbelievers, YHWH will punish the unbelievers after the Harvest, tribulation is a proof for believers protected or not.
The climax of deceit will be the god-declaration of the anti-christ on the temple-mount in Jerusalem because all people who are not of/in Christ will follow the A-C.
2 Thes 2 states that our gathering with Him will not come before the apostasy and the revelation of the son of perdition. Ma 24 & Revelation acknowledge the same order.
@reliinfo yes precisely, that why i believe in the pre trib rapture. i was told the rapture and the itroduction of the anti-christ will happend almost simultaneously.
@reliinfo yes precisely, that why i believe in the pre trib rapture. i was told the rapture and the introduction of the anti-christ will happend almost simultaneously.
@reliinfo where satan live?? in mind??show me satan?? show angels??show me spirit or soul??? they create your mind!! doens t exist!! freemason create anythink in this world!!
@reliinfo I understand the lie!!freemason of the season were good actors! they did a good job,a good biblie to control people same you!!! time to wake up!!! illuminatti !!they are your owner!!
@reliinfo i also believe during the tribulation there will be some who be saved because of the preaching of the 144,000 remnant of israel who will preach around the world. but initially after the rapture there will only be non believers. some, later will be saved.
@bigblondman1 The 144 000 are the first fruits, they and the desert group and the believers in the world system and the deceased in Christ will all go in the harvest. no one will accept Christ in the wrath period.
@reliinfo well, then your argument is with jack van impe because that where i heard what ive told you, from him. as i said before he knows more than both of us combined. so i wouldnt so quickly dismiss everything he says. i know he made mistakes but he did admit them too. i think hes right about this one. i dont hink this is a mistake. well its your choice. we obviously disagree a bit here and there. but if we are both saved then the chronilogical details dont matter much. peace, again.
@reliinfo well of course plenty of people disagree with van impe. i just think more agree with his statements regarding the pre trib rapture. thanks. ill look that up. or if you can send it to me. my direct email is;
@bigblondman1 I looked it up under "Jack Van Impe and the rapture", but i only read it and listened to the explanation of the pre-wrath rapture, but i did not download it nor printed the article.
"Jack Van Impe responds to the pre-wrath rapture" is the most direct to Google.
i'm glad you came with this, i read my gideon bible while in the marines, and i thought my interpretation is so different then my protestant friends and catholic family. i had an idea i might have been right , but you just back me up here. to me it boils down to...no get out easy, you got a purpose, a mission, and you aren't going to heaven until...the day of judgement. so it irriates me this fundamentalists who are like i;m getting teleported, sucker! lol, well we know what's real.
@chuparmelapolla1 Read your bible, LOSER .God`s word>> Witches, kill them. Homosexuals, kill them.fortunetellers, kill them. those who don`t listen to priests, kill them. those hitting their dad, kill them. those who curse their parents, kill them, adulterers, kill them. fornicators, kill them. people who believe in other religions, kill them. non-believers,kill them. fals prohets ,kill them. blasphemers, kill them. those who work on the Sabbath, kill them. This is the word of god !!
@ndzoko Sorry you're still the loser! you wrote back! I beat you're one of those people that believe you came from monkey shit right? or better yet that Aliens created us and they're coming back in 2012 right? i don't know what book you're reading mine, SAY'S TO LOVE EVERYONE AS YOU'RE BROTHER,
@chuparmelapolla1 I bet you are one of those who came from a clump of mud. Descendants of incest twice over. Right ? Please man read your bible :Deuteronomy 17:12.Exodus 22:17.Leviticus 20:13.Leviticus20:27. Exodus 21:25. Proverbs 20:20. Leviticus 20-9 Leviticus 20:10 Leviticus 21:9. Deuteronomy 13:13,19 Exodus 22:19 Deuteronomy 13:1,5.Romans 1:24,32. Exodus 31:12,15. Romans 1:24,32. Leviticus 24:10,46 Deuteronomy 22:20,21. Deuteronomy 13:7,12
@ndzoko All of them from the old testament, after Jesus came, that was no longer left in our hands to handle, Now God will deal with them.. everyone has a chance of life.. read Matthew onward!! people like you just have to let go of what ever hate they have, if you're ever going to find peace
@chuparmelapolla1 after Jesus came, that was no longer left in our hands to handle, ... Totally wrong. He himself said.. not one iota of the law(the Old Testament) will change untill the end of time. Those verses are as valid today ,as over 2,000 years ago. If citing your bible is considered hate, well, so be it.
@ndzoko the old testament is and will always be used until that apointed time, but you claim that god want's us to kill people who do not beliveve or are gay, but What doesn't ten commandments say NOT TO KILL! if man will follow the ten laws then he will not break any of the other laws god has! plain and simple we can not take someone life!
@chuparmelapolla1 I cannot help it if the bible contradicts itself. I am just pointing out 1) that the old-testament is still valid. 2) that the god of the Old-testament(who is the same god as the one in the New-Testament) orders all those people killed.
@chuparmelapolla1 Your biblical creation story is so dumb, so infantile, that from the 106 colleges, which form the "Christian Coalition of Colleges" only 5 teach litteral biblical creation. Were you talking of sh... man. well ,Genesis is sh.... Plain bulls....
@ndzoko will when the time come's you cry like a child and no one will care, you will scream no one told you and no one will hear you! satan has you wrap around his finger, good luck to you, hope in some point in youre life you find peace, even if it doesn't last long.. and i don't give a rats ass what Chrisitin Coalition of college teaches..
Jesus showed me his divine clock of the end times in 2010, revealing the events of Revelation through 2016. The bride will be received by Him before the end of the First Watch (Spring of 2012), but the translation of saints can begin at any time. See the clock at: watch?v=QWoAFPUF7uo
The words of YAH are true. Jesus appeared to me bodily to affirm these things. He will receive his bride before the seals of Revelation opened in the summer of 2012.
@jayorama1 Jesus appeared to me bodily .. NUTS. Why would he do that ? Why would he make a miracle for YOU. but let 100,000 INNOCENT children die a horrible death beneath the rubble of their dwellings in Haiti ? makes mo semse at all. There are many in insane asylums, who claim to have talked to god, even claiming they are Jesus Christ in person. Shall I make an appointment for you ? Your god is a killer, I proved it to you.
Jesus, who was YAH in a human body, died a horrific and tortuous death, and His truth is the source of all innocence. Jesus said, "Friends, don't fear those who destroy the body, and after that there is nothing more they can do to you. Rather, fear YAH, who has the power to destroy both the body and the soul in hell." Our bodies are expendable, our souls are not. Children who perish go into paradise, for "their angels do always behold the face of their Father in heaven."
Jesus said, "though one rise from the dead, they will not believe." He stood in front of me at 4:25pm on May 12, 2010, and while I have seen Him, I have never seen you. What kind of evidence do you think I should have asked for? Time is almost up.
@jayorama1 The resurrecyion most probably did not happen. There is no eyewitness acount, noarchaeological finds, But there are many indications it did not happen. Tell me: Did this happen ? Yes or no ??atthew 27:52-53
"and the graves were opened; and many bodies of the saints which slept arose, and came out of the graves after his resurrection, and went into the holy city, and appeared unto many."
@jayorama1 Our bodies are expendable, our souls are not.. Of course our souls are not expendable, Something that doesn`t exist can`t expand. Man ,open a science book . The bible is screwing your sanity.
What did Jesus say? "When the Spirit of truth is come, he will guide you into all truth ... and tell you things to come." (John 16:13.) What did Jesus say? "For there is nothing covered that will not be revealed, nor hidden that will not be known." (Luke 12:2) The clock is not mine, but His. I am sent to testify of what He showed me. All men are commanded to repent in the time we have remaining.
The whole concept of the rapture has been a source of Christian's becoming lazy, ill prepared and loss of faith altogether. When the Chinese Christians were undergoing persecution, MANY lost faith because no rapture came. The rapture myth is also used as a "safety net" so Christians won't feel the need to prepare for tribulation. When it doesn't happen, they will be lost! Better off forgetting about the rapture and living for God 100% and be prepared for ANYTHING the bible predicts every day!
"dmac333100 The failing of the pre-trib-rap to take place will cause the great falling away. The rapture doctrine has been misunderstood by many in that they place it before the tribulation period. I beg to differ from that understanding. The rapture is not pre-tribulation, it is a post tribulation rapture, at the sound of the last trumpet, not the first trumpet. The so called Christians will go through the tribulation period except those who die from natural or accidental death."
@dmac333100 harvest is post-tribulation for believers, mid-period and pre-wrath, wrath of YHWH ends with return of YHM on earth followed by the establishment of the millennium reign.
Luke 17: Jesus: "As it was in the days of Noah, so will it be on the day I return...the flood destroyed them. I tell you, on that night 2 people will be in bed; 1 will be taken & the other left behind." Disciples: "Taken where, Lord?” Jesus: “To where the vultures gather.” In the days of Noah evil people were taken. Those left behind were the righteous. So it will b when Christ returns. The saved will b able 2 withstand the light of His glory & be changed in an instant; the unsaved will perish
If I can expound on that....Vultures gather where the dead are. And in the days of Noah, people were "taken"and killed by the Flood. And in Rev. 12:15 "So the serpent spewed water out of his mouth like a flood after the woman, that he might cause her to be carried away by the flood."
I just hope these churchy Christians can tread water...lol
Gah? It was hard to sit through all of that. Those verses were misunderstood and taken completely out of context. You do realize that not everyone who knows and can preach the Bible (even those who can preach it well) is saved? Just..so many flaws with your theory. Try reading the Left Behind series, it helps clear a lot of that up.
Tell the Antichrist i say hi, he couldn't get me because i knew the Bible. Revelation 3:10, 1 Thess 1:10, 5:9. There are too many scriptures for him to deceive me. Plus i had a supernatural experience with the Lord n i know he's real. I believed him when he said he was going to prepare a place for me n he would come n take me to it. I knew he wouldn't beat us up in the tribulation n then say, let's get marry. DON"T TAKE THE MARK OF THE BEAST. We'll be praying for u. God bless u! Acts 2:38.
oh don't be so church minded. If you really want to explore this, than we can message each other here where we can write more than 500 characters.
Every single point that is made for a pre-tribulation rapture that pastors in the churches you have been to, or Bible studies that you attend or whatever, are very scripturally weak arguments. I would love to go into it more in depth with you. Just send me a message through my page.
@08Revelator I agree! Not that it matters for one's salvation, but should the tribulation happen in our time, I hurt and pray for those who will be shocked and bewildered. It will be then that we must surely be strong for one another, b/c there will be those who need comforting and reassurance.
"And those of the people who understand shall instruct many; yet for many days they shall fall by sword and flame, by captivity and plundering. 34 Now when they fall, they shall be aided with a little help; but many shall join with them by intrigue. 35 And some of those of understanding shall fall, to refine them, purify them, and make them white, until the time of the end; because it is still for the appointed time." Dan. 11:33-35
Sorry brother, but this is a good example of how to take scripture out of context. The doctrine of the rapture is clear and unmistakable. Paul describes the rapture in 1Thes4. Jesus describes it in the Olivet Discourse. In Revelation, John explains how the 144000 will be protected to continue ministering in the earth after the church is removed.
Jesus does speak of the rapture: he speaks ofsending his angels to gather his elect from the four winds after the great tribulation (Matthew 24) andPaul speaks of it moist clearly in I Thess 4:17 the dead shall rise first and those who are still alive in christ left will be caught up (rapture is just thelatin term for the verb here harpazdo) to meet theLord in the clouds.
why do you react against misrepresentations of rapture doctrine? itis clearly in the Bible
Whether you call the "gathering together" the Rapture or not is not the issue here. It is talking against the doctrine of Pre-tribulation. This escapist way of thinking about prophesy does not profit the Christian. The Lord did not give us a spirit of fear......ect.
Any person that sites the "rapture" or "gathering together of God's elect" (which is really much more scripturally correct to say ) to happen before or even in the middle of the Great Tribulation is simply misinformed.
@08Revelator Yes, pre, mid and post (one event) tribulation raptures are all theories that are not biblical.
Harvest (misnamed as rapture) is after the tribulation before the wrath and the return on earth is after the battles following Harmageddon, than millennium followed by last war, judgment, destruction of heaven and earth and the creation of new heaven and new earth.
lol you guys are so ignorant of the bible...you read what someone told you and then got it wrong because they did... There is a rapture and you will know it when you are left behind and wondering where did they go? That is when the antichrist and the new agers will say the aliens took them!
@Ignorancecheck but as in the days of Noe were , so shall also the coming of the Son of Man be... Math. 24:37 whom was taken ??? 39 and knew not until the flood came and took them all away... whom was taken ??? you are very right, scripture is plain about it... but, whom will be taken ??? Proverbs 10:30 and the righteous shall never be removed: but the wicked shall not inhabit the earth... that sounds pretty plain to me...
One can not gospelize all the eschatology when more accurate info is available, gospel texts refer to the period 33- end times, the end (on earth) for believers is the harvest because we will return with YHM on earth at the climax of the battles following armageddon. during the wrath of YHWH there won't be any believers
on earth. that's why the return of YHM is a conquering event (not a collecting one
ServeForElohimsGlory=CORRECT when they st8d above: "2 many people are waiting 4 d coming rapture.But there will b no rapture! Yehoshua never talks about sumthing like this. & His words r Truth! So we should open our eyes & read Scripture and c & get ready 4 the time of tribualtion." YES. -KJV!! MATT 24, MARK 13, LUKE 21, 2 THESS 2: 1-12, EZ 13: 18-23 KJV!! NOT NIV NOR ANY OTHER BOGUS TRANSLATION THAT HAS SINCE CHANGED CERTAIN SELECT WORDINGS IN KJV SCRIPTURE, AS SATAN DID 2 CHRIST IN WILDERNESS!
Santa Claus (Satan's Claws) & easter bunny r SECULAR-REgressive TRADITIONS OF MEN. Sound extreme? No. CHRISTmas = CHRIST MASS & IS ABOUT HIM, NOT "SATANS CLAWS" nor "ishtar bunny" distracting little children from the WORD & SAVIOR. Santa & easter bunny seem innocuous enuf, right? NOT. But then those w/o impetus nor eyes/ears 2 see/hear will think us crazy 4 st8ing this, but then THAT DOESNT DETER TRUE "DISCIPLES/APOSTLES."
High Sabbath = PESACH (AKA Passo / PassOver) which = our "easter," altho word "easter" comes from " ishtar " = PAGAN HEATHEN religions of grove-worship" (NOT to our God!) / orgies ("quick, like a little bunny-rabbit!"). It's our PASSOVER, NOT ishtar/easter! Throw OUT those egg hunts & bunnies, dont insult the Lord w/ secular REgressive worldly trash traditions! (Santa too! C'mas = NOT SANTA (interestingly enuf spells "SATAN" inverted!) because it DISTRACTS/DETRACTS FROM THE SAVIOR & WORD OF GOD)
Observing CHRIST everyday IS observing the Sabbath (our Saturday, NOT Sunday), FOR HE IS OUR GRACEFUL, MERCIFUL REST, SALVATION, PROTECTOR, AND YES! AVENGER. U can observe the Sab but as long as u observe HE u R observg it. A certain few particular STATUTES & ORDINANCES WERE TRUMPED & reduced BY HIS BIRTH & RESSURECTION, BUT the LAWs NOT done away w by any means nor in any way shape nor form ("I CAME TO CHANGE NOT 1 JOT NOR TITTLE of the (His!) Law")
@Iwillvibrateonyou:TRUE ACTUAL Sabbath=SATURDAY (spanish &/or Latin word SABADO-they had it right!) Christ was laid in Tomb Wed SUNDOWN(accord'g 2 HEBREW Tradition) & rose sumtime during night SAT eve. Besides,Christ's NOW & ALWAYS HAS BEEN OUR TRUE SABBATH.HE WORKED ON SABBATH DOING GOOD DEEDS. Particular Jew leaders @ d time (those who were of evil intent!) wer ANGRY w/ OUR LORD 4 "working" (healg, teachg) on Sabbath when He IS THE/OUR SABBATH (REST)! So observg Sab isnt necessary but still OK
@ GODS TRUE PPL: QUIT TRUSTING OTHER MEN/WOMEN TO TELL U WHAT THE WORD SAYS, 4 YOUR VERY SALVATION IS AT STAKE. GOD WARNS US MANY DECEIVERS (FALSE PROPHETS/WOLVES IN SHEEPS) R IN OUR MIDST, WHETHER KNOWINGLY OR IN IGNORANCE IT DOESNT MATTER! U HAVE 2 READ KJV 4 YOURSELVES & STOP LISTENG 2 THESE LOADS OF CHARLATAN SELF-APPOINTED "PREACHERS, FATHERS, REVERENDS, ETC. KJV MATT 24, MARK 13, LUKE 21, 2 THESS 2 ALL SAY POST GATHER BACK & IN EZ 13:20 (18-23) GOD LONG AGO SPOKE AGAINST FLY-cRAPTURE BULL!
Rev 9:Gods SHORTENED d 7 YR period (& 3+1/2 yr pd which=half of the 7) in which ANTI-C REIGNS HERE ON EARTH (6,6,6) to a 5 mo period (B4 CHRISTS 2ND,FINAL COMING @ "7,7,7"), which the A-C will either show up from the start of this 5 mo pd OR 1/2-way thru @ 2.5 months into the 5 month period,which=half the period.Rev 9 tells us the angel of the 5th Trump's-end sounds & then 6th Seal,Trump,Vial (6,6,6) begins w/ satan "falling" to earth (prob in flying craft/Ez/Elijah) so u DONT WANT 2 FLY AWAY!!
Those "taken (1stly) in the field," etc, r TAKEN BY ANTI-C & it's NOT CHRIST TAKING HIS TRUE PPL! The pre-tribbers GOT IT ALL WRONG. KJV!!!!!-Matt 24, Mark 13, Luke 21, 2 Thess 2, Ez 13:18-23, etc, ALL ST8 ANTI-C'S COMING 1ST @ 6,6,6 (6th Seal,Trump,Vial!); TRUE CHRIST COMES AFT @ 777 (7th & LAST Seal,Trump,Vial!) to destroy wicked one! Gods TRUE ppl r 2 STAY IN THE FIELD (WORLD) WORKING AGAINST THE FIERY DARTS OF THE DEVIL WHO WILL BE HERE, & SO WILL WE WHO R IN THE FLESH @ THIS TIME!
The Scriptural "Thief in the Night" = reference to SATAN, NOT CHRIST (CHRIST IS NOT A THIEF NOR IS HE OF THE NIGHT/DARK!), BUT LUCIFER IS THE THIEF who comes 1ST'LY CLAIMG 2 b the True Christ @ "666" ("6th Seal,Trumpet,Vial") B4 OUR TRUE CHRIST who comes to DESTROY THE WICKED 1 AFT THOSE DAYS OF TRIB, @ "777!" MATT 24, MARK 13, LU 21, 2 THESS 2 ALL SAY POST TRIB! THOSE LEFT WORKING IN THE FIELD ETC R NOT TAKEN BY THE FALSE 1, BUT STAY WORKING IN GOD'S FIELD TIL VERY END & NOT OTHER WAY AROUND!
So when did a thief coming in the night ever become a GOOD thing. this is the scripture so many people use when referring to the rapture right? I believe in God and most importantly Jesus is my savior but I have recently began to study my beliefs on the rapture which I have learned are totally wrong. Jesus said so him self when he spoke about the planting of the harvest study this and also study what he said to the church of Sardis in Revelation 3. In the harvest the weeds were pulled not wheat
@thepowerofwords247 He wasn't referring to a thief in the night being a good thing. He was referring to the fact that you don't know when it's going to happen.
i wont store food, medicines, and other gear for myself, i store it for my neighbors and family. i know god is perfectly capable to take care of me and my needs. in fact, i just tought to send my winter cloths to russian child prisoners. why you people want to make so big deal about rapture enyways, just follow your lord and be awake like a loyal servant. if rapture will happen people know wheres my "bad day" stack, if not i will give from there to those who need.
I think these end times will be an ultimate test for followers. Many who believe in the "pre-trib rapture", may actually fall away thinking that none of it is real if it does not happen as planned. Concerning the mark, not only will you have to take it under free will, you will be required to worship the beast. I don't think we are at that time yet, but getting closer. So instead of pin pointing a piece of technology, I would just prefer to warn of what is to come.
@daleblazer I disagree with you on that there WILL be a rapture but I do AGREE strongly that at this point and time is soul winning.I am like you,Will NOT time line which we are NOT to do but if one does thats on them.I for one cant get past this verse,2 Thess2:7-8.How can anti-christ come to power while the Church is still here? Seeing in Romans and 1THESS5:9,Not Children of wrath?
There will never be a rapture but, the end times also DO NOT exist. The book of revelation has already happened. The tribulation was the 7 years that Israel was destroyed. The second coming of Jesus was the holy spirit coming after he left and on and on. If christians want to be taken seriously, they need to get a real grasp on the bible, including learning and understanding the ancient cultures and languages used to write this book. Also, the mark of the beast was 666, not a silicone RFID tag.
@Beefinator50: U R SCRIPTURALLY INCORRECT. We r NOW in 5th Seal,Trump,Vial or "555." The 6th S,T,V ("666!"), during which SATAN arrives HERE CLAIMING 2 B CHRIST COME 2 FLY U ALL AWAY, & THEN 7th S,T,V ("777!") in which the TRUE CHRIST comes to DESTROY THE WICKED ONE & HIS CHILDREN & WORKS HAVEN'T OCCURRED YET! TOO MANY PROPHECIES TO BE FULFILLED, YET THEY R COMING TRUE @ A MORE RAPID PACE THAN EVER B4 IN HISTORY (NATURALLY!). Quit misleading ppl with false knowledge u apparently have NO clue of.
Awesome video! Judgment starts at the house of God. 1Pe.4:17 The trib. will make the church pure w/o spot or wrinkle. ep.5:27 Were called to be PERFECT like our Father returning good for evil. A person who fears God flees from evil.Job 2:3.
Mt.5:45-48 Not defending ourself / No guile... Were to be like Christ.1pe.2:21-25/Rev.14:5 We will die to our old nature. We will be Perfect! Those of us who endure till end will birth forth Christ. They will manifest Christ in their life. Lu.17:21.
2 timothy 3:16: all scripture is god breathed and it useful for teaching rebuking correcting and training in righteousness, so your going to let one verse that you twisted the words of totally disregard the books of matthew and revalation? THIS sir is false prophecy. another sign of the RAPTURE.
I do not understand people who believe in God. There is no proof of God. Alright, there's the Bible, but did God write the Bible? No. People who worshipped a un-real being wrote it, making them think that there is some person that watches us all the time. If you believe in God, show us (the non-believers) the proof of him, if you don't, then there is no God. I once believed in God, and I asked him for my mum and dad to come back together. Did that happen? No. And why? Because God isn't real.
And, prove to me that wind exists? You can't see it, you see the trees move...but maybe the trees are just moving at its will.. You can see God working in peoples lives, saving them from addiction, poverty, and hurt. And, go outside and look at the earth, there is no way that it just happened like that. No way that this complex world, which at a slight temperature difference there can be floods or an ice age, that can't just happen.
@CPSPD Thats because you cant see him...noone can and noone knows that he does even exist because uite frankly people that have died and gone to the lords kingdom cant tell you that he exists.... and noone can prove it but you have to believe because and ill give you a reason why god DOES exist....JESUS jesus was the son of GOD jesus did exist thats a fact and tell me how he got here if it wasnt his father which so happens to be god
@CPSPD It didn't happen because it wasn't in God's plan. And I can't show you any proof that is going to make you happy, I can't command God to come down, because I am the servant, and God is my Master. The servant doesn't command the master, the Master commands the servant. God loves you, God loves all of us, He sent his one and only Son Jesus to die on the cross for our sins. You need to find God yourself, pray in Jesus name, accept Jesus into your heart, live life for God.
@CPSPD There's proof all around of God, not just The Bible, but archeological proof, examples. A man has said he found Noah's ark. The Bible isn't only witness accounts of those events, it's God's word. The big bang, evolution, all theories, hasn't been proven, and can't be proven. I ask you that you look into Christianity again, because I honestly do care about you. Please, just think about this with an open heart and an open mind, and come to Christ. I will pray for you. God bless.
Enough of this nonsense. Christianity itself is a prime sin by it's own definition. Worshiping a man as god. Rule number ONE broken by the nature of it's being.
But beyond that it's all nonsense written by men anyway. So keep right on believing your drivel. Nothing will ever change and in the end you won't be right,
Man knows nothing of the beyond or God, and it's arrogant to assume we wrote a book with all the answers. You people are fools living with superstition & fable in your hearts.
Everyone to their own devices i say ..but you say god is our father ! what kind of father will condemn those who do not "believe"! sounds like a prick too me..huh just like my real dad!
Okay. You keep referencing to "the end" and asking how we can go til the end if we're called up in the Rapture. What if the end is the rapture? Second of all, if you read the bible, it references the "end of times". Read Revelation 7: 9-17. I put it to you that we are already facing tribulation. And if we are, get ready, cause Jesus is not far behind. And don't say that there will be no rapture and then say that believers will be raised to rule with Yehshua! You're contradicting yourself!
There's too many people out there 'playing god'....you will never know when the end is. And the ''end of the world'' is just an easy way out...lets predict the ''begining of the world'' and make a change. Only we can change this world. We cant expect god to change everything, that isnt fair. He saved us! Now lets do something for him and help his children. Not just yourselves.
Matthew 24: 29 "Immediately AFTER the tribulation of those days the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light, ................; 30 then will appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the Son of man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory; 31 and he will send out his angels with a loud trumpet call, and they will gather his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.
joseymaru 3 weeks ago
Excellent video, interesting reasoning, scriptual backing, overall a good argument, leaves us with something to consider while evaluating the truth for our selves, thank you.
ZorroTech88 1 month ago
Not trying to be smart, but can you explain the parable of the bridegroom and having our lamps ready with oil(holy spirit) and the ones who didn't and were left ?
And to watch for his coming and be ready?
SpecialEffectsRecord 1 month ago
@SpecialEffectsRecord you can die at any second?
kevinjjfr 1 month ago
@SpecialEffectsRecord Seems to me self explanitory they are not welcome to the wedding feast, which takes place after the wedding, which takes place after the bridegroom cometh, and they arent just left they are left in outer darkness besides after Christs return there is an often overlooked 1000 year reign here on earth, BTW im not agreeing or disagreeing with you or this video im just saying my opinion on your question.
ZorroTech88 1 month ago
There is no "chip", how silly is that idea?
the "mark of the beast" refers to YOUR BRAIN, and the false beliefs within it.
Hope you come to realize this.
TheLastAaron 1 month ago
I do pray for those who are so wishing to go home! They call it the "Rapture", but it is not the "Harpazo", it is simply being at "ground zero" of any given event; likely a flood and likely by fire raining down upon them. It is not a bad thing, just not the "blessing" that so many are wanting. I have made my peace and I have taken my vows, I know I will endure until His return when he comes with an "iron rod" against those who are lost. I Loved this simple and eloquent reasoning! Thank you!
Greensage44 2 months ago
@Greensage44 i am glad you have come to terms. may i be allowed to question you on your professional knowledge?
dehallmo 1 month ago
@Greensage44 You are so lost and corrupted, you do not understand the weight lifted off your shoulders for believing in yourself not god. You live a life of control and no freedom. This damn book, you call the bible, is a set of rules written thousands of years ago with demonic stories such as Exodus 10:20 "But the LORD hardened Pharaoh's heart, so that he would not let the children of Israel go."
Just sickening, find enlightenment my friend.
SkoomaKi 1 month ago
slaves of the biblie
marcos497 2 months ago
Amen
InTheSpirit12 2 months ago
Jack Van Impe has been looking into prophecy for decades, but even he has admitted that his thoughts on certain things years ago may not have been accurate and has changed his way of thinking on them these days. The ten toes on the statue in Daniel is a prime example.
I think he may be wrong about a pre-trib rapture, but time will tell the story.
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arman9335 2 months ago
Dear Friend, you are totally confused about Church and Israel....In this video you are mixing up both... Please study your Bible little more!
shjera100 2 months ago
{Spirit with a Soul living in a body} makes up Me.
Thanks and blessings.
nelsonizhar 2 months ago
@nelsonizhar Spirit and Soul are split asunder in Christ. He 4:12.
Many greetings
YHWH bless you.
reliinfo 2 months ago
yes there is proof. the latin vulgate uses the word rapiermore or rapture in 1 thess. verse13-18 chap. 4. in the english translation the phrase is caught up. thats the rapture.
bigblondman1 2 months ago
All I am sure is that this body {flesh} have to die {rot}. The dust goes back to dust.
Since the spirit does not die or rot, it is raptured!
Where the spirit goes/ is ruptured to, there is also a body. All I need is holiness by Holy Spirit's purification. Holy Spirit's mark is a guarantee of Eternity.
Good Spirits do not die but live. Bad spirits will die and so, the bad are removed for the good to shine.
nelsonizhar 2 months ago
@nelsonizhar Spirit in Christ goes back to YHWH, soul in Christ to paradise. spirit&soul without Christ go to Sheol/Hades.
reliinfo 2 months ago
As always, there are "Christians" cherry picking the gospels. John 17:15 is referring to the people Jesus has given his gospel to, and the disciples. It about protecting people from the "Evil One" and nothing more. So, do not try to create something that is not there. Read the entire chapter for its true meaning, and quit misleading people.
ZManEnt 3 months ago
@ZManEnt Actually the gospels were written after most of the epistles, so for first century believers it made
all sense as they had more information about the harvest (Thessalonians and Corinthians) thus they had no problem to put John 17 into perspective; the prayer for the protection from the evil one for the believers, extends from the year 33 till moment of the harvest, the believers won't be here during the wrath of YHWH.
The return on Earth of YHM will be after the wrath of YHWH.
reliinfo 3 months ago
Well, there will be a rapture in the sense that we will be caught up in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air according to 1 Thessalonians 4:17. But that will happen when every eye sees Jesus, after the falling away and the man of sin is revealed showing himself that he is God in the temple of God. So we will basically meet Him in the air merely to do just that- meet Him as He comes down and touches His feet on the Mount of Olives.
BlazyJon 3 months ago
@BlazyJon Harvest (so called rapture) and the Return on earth are two separate events.
reliinfo 3 months ago
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The rapture and Jesus second coming, are two separate prophetic events!
It doesn't matter what people think, and what they say! Nothing is going to change Gods plan. Heb. 6:18
1 Thessalonians 5:9 For God did not appoint us to wrath, but to obtain salvation through our Lord Jesus Christ. That says at all! Amen. Praise the Lord.
The great tribulation... is the wrath of God! No question about it.
paulojose1955 3 months ago
He'll be seen in the clouds saying come up here. Safety. Gods judgements were meant for the wicked. Look, did noah get gods wrath, did Lot? His 2nd coming shall be fierce and strong defeating the anti christ in the sight of the saints. Then the kingdom established on earth.Point being, we all trust in Jesus. May the will of god be done and to stop bickering over things. I have read the bible with an open mind, it seems clear to be pulled from gods wrath. You say different.Thats ok,I still <3 Yah
Lebensborn84 3 months ago
I cannot think of another dogma and man-made doctrine of fable that has caused more deception and confusion as well as bickering amongst the Brethren than the pre-trib rapture falsehood, clearly mired in deceit by its creator, the "god of confusion." And every year those possessed by this lie fall into the same delusion over and over, saying that it will happen on X date and at X time, and of course NOTHING happens which proves the deception to be factual and a lie.
IAPETUSGIANTS 3 months ago
Rapture is derived from the latin rapiemur is snatch away from the greek harpazo,
which is a description of the harvest which is biblical (Re 14:15).
reliinfo 3 months ago
I agree 100% no rapture amen all wake up and understand
urgentmissionrecords 3 months ago in playlist The Rapture (Examined)
@urgentmissionrecords no, youre wrong. 1 thess. chap. 4 verse 13-18 refers tot the rapture as being caught up. the latin vulgate uses the word rapiemur or rapture. also remember that satan cannot deceive the whole world until all believers are taken out of the world. then only will the unbelievers be left to be deceived. if there is no rapture, then why would it say so in 1 thess. chap 4 verse 13-18? thats not meant to deceive. thats the explanation of the rapture.
bigblondman1 2 months ago
@bigblondman1 Rapture is description of Harvest which will be after manifestation of Anti-christ and after tribulation
and before the wrath of YHWH and the Return on Earth of Christ.
reliinfo 2 months ago
@reliinfo the apocalypse chap. 3 verse 10, says, " because you have kept my word of patience, i too, will keep thee FROM the hour of trial". that means before the tribulation, we shall be raptured. that occurs in chap. 4. Jesus never says i will put you THROUGH it. in the greek text the word is, " eck" or from. "dia" is through. and the greek text doesnt use "dia" only "eck".
bigblondman1 2 months ago
@bigblondman1 Tribulation has always been part of the lives of the believers, the great tribulation is referring to the
pre-harvest time of the anti-christ, After this tribulation (Ma 24:29); the Harvest; Ma 24: 31.
The trail for all the earth is the wrath of YHWH after the Harvest with its climax; the return of YHM on Earth (Re 19).
Some groups of believers will be protected during the tribulation but others will go through it.
All groups will be harvested (first resurrection).
reliinfo 2 months ago
no, the pre havest or rapture, by its own definition, comes before the tribulation not after. the only ones who will go through it are the ones who are not saved through the blood of Jesus Christ. i ve pointed out in the apocalypse that the rapture comes first then the tribulation. matt 24;29 is referring to the white throne judgement. all believers in Christ will be raptured. not all groups who dont believe in Him. believers will be taken and kept from the tribulation not go through it.
bigblondman1 2 months ago
@bigblondman1 we disagree; the ones who are not saved will undergo the wrath,
there is no proof of rapture in Re 3, Ma 24:29 is not the white throne judgment.
because there is no indication of that in the text. the heavens refer to the normal skies not Heaven
the elect will be gathered by angels from all four winds.
you are right that all believers groups in Christ will be harvested in the first resurrection because all others will be raised in the second resurrection.
reliinfo 2 months ago
@reliinfo we certainly do. and many scholars disgree with you as well. i think more disagree than agree. im no scholar but i know jack van impe would disagree with you and he knows much more than both of us combined. just because it doesnt state that it is the white throne judgement in the text doesnt mean it isnt so. the gathering together is for the purpose of judgement not the rapture. thats where we disagree the most.
bigblondman1 2 months ago
@bigblondman1 Stick with Jack van Impe than but he makes errors too.
The white throne Judgment is for the lost of the second resurrection and is after the Millennium and the last war.
the gathering of the elect by angels is taken from the earth because in heaven you do not need angels to gather them.
reliinfo 2 months ago
true, we all make mistakes but van impe rarely does. im aware that the white throne judgement is after the millenium. i happen to think that matt 24;29 refers to the judgement after the millenium. i think van impe does too. as ive said before and so has van impe, the church must be taken out before satan can deceive the world. remember matt. gospel was speaking to the jews not christians. remember too that the rapture is for christian believers saved by Christ. jews dont believe that.
bigblondman1 2 months ago
@bigblondman1 With all respect&appreciation for Van Impe & for you
but how can you see the white throne judgment appear in Ma 24 instead of Ma 25?
The Church will be taken out after tribulation; Yeshua says so!
The devil has no hinderance of the church(es) what so ever in deceiving the world right now.
The gospel of Matthew for the jews, Mark for the gentiles, Luke for the learned and John for the Church,
sorry, it applies to all because the separation and replacement theories
continued
reliinfo 2 months ago
@reliinfo no, Yeshua says the church is kept from the hour of trial, not to go through it. that would mean the rapture comes first. i'm sure van impe can clarify this far better than i can.
bigblondman1 2 months ago
@bigblondman1 they messed up biblical understanding of applying correctly the meaning of Jews and Gentiles, because it can differ from verse to verse. One must be open to the Ruach YHWH in order to
receive the revelation, discernment and application.
Also; there are over 30 pre-trib-rap texts that do not really prove the pre-tribulation rapture.
reliinfo 2 months ago
@reliinfo isnt it all more importantly a matter of faith? if Jesus said i will keep you from the hour of trial. then that is so. why would He contradict Himself? to coin a phrase, "o, ye of little faith". well if they dont prove the pre trib-rapture then whats there purpose?
bigblondman1 2 months ago
@reliinfo well then what else can the passage,"i will keep you from the hour of trial", mean if not keeping us from the tribulation?
bigblondman1 2 months ago
@bigblondman1 Trail can be wrath as well, believers are kept from the wrath
Yeshua said "after the tribulation" which is in concordance with 2 Thes 2 and Re 14.
Tribulation ends when harvest commences, after that the wrath of YHWH for the unbelievers.
Yeshua was not contradicting himself but people interpret what do want to hear.
reliinfo 2 months ago
@reliinfo we can split all the hairs we want and never figure this out. as ive said i think jack van impe can explain this much better to both of us. i simply choose to believe how he explains it. either way we both end up in heaven.
bigblondman1 2 months ago
@bigblondman1 Well, i do not believe in pre, mid, post (one event) tribulation and partial rapture theories, but you are right, it doesn't matter it will happen anyway.
Though i must add that Van Impe made some wrong deductions in a video commenting on Harold Camping's predictions for 5/21/11 and 10/21/11. but of course we all make mistakes,
Sorry for the typos; trail instead of trial, but as you know, a trial can have a long trail.
reliinfo 2 months ago
yes indeed. we all make mistakes. but i give van impe credit that he at least owns up to his, not like many televangelists who dont. camping was just a flake. even he repented by saying he will not try to predict anymore. typos are common, certainly by me so no need to apologize for that. i still believe in the pre trib rapture because it gives me hope to escape the trial. if im wrong then ill just have to be dissappointed. but i dont think i am. my faith in the word is strong. peace to you.
bigblondman1 2 months ago
@bigblondman1 That is right: at least van Impe and Camping apologize.
I have been with all major rapture theories during 40 years i consider
pre-wrath (after tribulation) the most biblical,
true it will be more disappointing if it is not going to be pre trib or mid trib,
the post one event trib and partial raps are too far stretched.
Shalom &greetings to You.
reliinfo 2 months ago
@reliinfo i still believe in the pre trib. it cannot happen soon enough for me. i pray everyday for it. im tired of hearing these preachrs tell me that Hes coming soon. ive been hearing that for nearly 40 years. that certainly isnt soon. im hoping condstantly that soon means perhaps a year or two. but we dont know. i just keep hoping. i really want it to happen to me and all believers. come quickly Lord Jesus, and really soon. please.
bigblondman1 2 months ago
@bigblondman1 The shortest way is to die in Christ before the Harvest,
The harvest will happen according to the signs of the times and the indications of the Holy Spirit for us.
The fact is, that it is closer than ever before and as you say, all believers are expecting Him in Life,
harvest or dead. Maranatha.
reliinfo 2 months ago
perhaps. but, im not in that much of a hurry. i am convinced by what the bible says that there is a pre trib rapture. satan cannot deceive the world until all believers are taken out of the world. thats why i believe in a pre trib rapture. you dont, but i do. it doesnt make any sense for the Lord to allow all believers and unbelievers to suffer through the tribulation or even half of it. that torment is reserved for the unbelievers believers will be spared. thats the reward for believing.
bigblondman1 2 months ago
@bigblondman1 2 Thes 2; Day of our gathering with Him will not come
unless the apostasy will come first, revealing the anti-christ.
The restrainer is an angel not the Holy spirit or the church.
Millions of Christians suffer tribulations right now.
There is protection in the tribulation.
All believers will be saved from the wrath to come.
reliinfo 2 months ago
but hasnt all that been pre-determined by God in the first place? mankind has been suffering for centuries but thats not the point. if we are indeed going through many trials and tribs now then what is the point of thess2? or apocalypse 3;10? why is any of this stated if it doesnt mean what it says? yes the apostasy has been steadily developing for decades. so when is it finally here? ill tell you when. Jesus decides its enough. then the rapture comes. and then all hell breaks loose.
bigblondman1 2 months ago
@bigblondman1 Temptation=Peirasmos means; proof, good or bad experience,
solicitation, discipline or provocation.
Re 3:10: bad experience, 1 Cor 10:13: proof/discipline.
reliinfo 2 months ago
@reliinfo i think your over generalizing the meaning of those words in the context of the chapters in which they were written. pragmatically you may be right. but if the word is truly a mystery, then you cannot dismiss the concept of the rapture by practical definition. its a matter of faith. that cannot be explained away.
bigblondman1 2 months ago
@bigblondman1 Probably you refer to the rapture as a mystery, it was...until Paul disclosed it to the
Thessalonians and to the Corinthians, i do not dismiss the concept of the rapture, it is just a wrong
description of the snatch away (natzal, harpazo, rapiemur) what is actually the Harvest as described by Matthew (24:31) & John (Re 14:15) people confuse it with judgment because the Harvest is connected with judgment : the tribunal of Christ is not the white throne of Judgment of Re 20.
reliinfo 2 months ago
satan cannot deceive the world if there are believers in it to oppose and contradict him. why would Jesus allow all of us to endure the worst tribulation in the history of the world if we indeed have salvation by His sacrafice? that doesnt make sense. the bible says he who endures to the end shall be saved but what end? the age? the tribulation? ones personal trials? what? st. paul said to comfort one another with the words that refer to the rapture. wheres the comfort, if theres no rapture?
bigblondman1 2 months ago
@bigblondman1 Satan is deceiving the world, believers can oppose him in their personal life and the
areas where they have authority over him, but you can't exercise authority over him ALL over the world because he is the god of this world for now. Not all believers will have the same experiences during tribulatiion, some will be protected and others not, it all ends with the Harvest. The tribulation will be nothing compared to the Wrath of YHWH, So there is comfort in the harvest (rapture).
reliinfo 2 months ago
you miss the point. satan cannot deceive the whole world until all beleivers are first raptured or as you say, harvested. thats where we differ. i believe the rapture will come first before the trib. i dont believe God will punish all believers with non- believers. that doesnt make sense and is contrary to a merciful God saving those who believe in Him. yes satan always deceives but not at the grand scale to come. which can only come after the rapture. those protected ones are the ones raptured
bigblondman1 2 months ago
@bigblondman1 Satan can only deceive unbelievers, YHWH will punish the unbelievers after the Harvest, tribulation is a proof for believers protected or not.
The climax of deceit will be the god-declaration of the anti-christ on the temple-mount in Jerusalem because all people who are not of/in Christ will follow the A-C.
2 Thes 2 states that our gathering with Him will not come before the apostasy and the revelation of the son of perdition. Ma 24 & Revelation acknowledge the same order.
reliinfo 2 months ago
@reliinfo yes precisely, that why i believe in the pre trib rapture. i was told the rapture and the itroduction of the anti-christ will happend almost simultaneously.
bigblondman1 2 months ago
@bigblondman1 Actually pre-tribbers believe that the rapture is before the Harvest,
i believe it is after the manifestation of the anti-christ, after tribulation, before the wrath.
reliinfo 2 months ago
@reliinfo Excuse me! pre-tribbers believe the rapture is before the anti-christ.
reliinfo 2 months ago
@reliinfo i'm just going by what van impe said. i learned most of it through him.
bigblondman1 2 months ago
@bigblondman1 It is all right, it does not matter. it is the believers prerogative to do so.
Baruch ha shem YHWH.
reliinfo 2 months ago
@reliinfo saecula saeculorum. see you in heaven.
bigblondman1 2 months ago
@bigblondman1 D.V. same to you.
May YHWH bless you abundantly.
reliinfo 2 months ago
@reliinfo thank you.
bigblondman1 2 months ago
@bigblondman1 Eyn be-ad mah / parakalo/ you are welcome.
reliinfo 2 months ago
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@reliinfo yes precisely, that why i believe in the pre trib rapture. i was told the rapture and the introduction of the anti-christ will happend almost simultaneously.
bigblondman1 2 months ago
@reliinfo where satan live?? in mind??show me satan?? show angels??show me spirit or soul??? they create your mind!! doens t exist!! freemason create anythink in this world!!
marcos497 2 months ago
@marcos497 You look for proof of the spiritual things, but without real faith you will
never be able to perceive it. spiritual truth differs from scientific realities as well as
from the daily existence. without God's Spirit you can not comprehend it.
reliinfo 2 months ago
@reliinfo I understand the lie!!freemason of the season were good actors! they did a good job,a good biblie to control people same you!!! time to wake up!!! illuminatti !!they are your owner!!
marcos497 2 months ago
@marcos497 freemasons are not real believers.
the Bible does not controll the word &spirit in truth do.
the illuminati go against the Qahal YHWH.
slaves of the world;
todo aquele que comete pecado e servo do pecado.
reliinfo 2 months ago
@reliinfo i also believe during the tribulation there will be some who be saved because of the preaching of the 144,000 remnant of israel who will preach around the world. but initially after the rapture there will only be non believers. some, later will be saved.
bigblondman1 2 months ago
@bigblondman1 The 144 000 are the first fruits, they and the desert group and the believers in the world system and the deceased in Christ will all go in the harvest. no one will accept Christ in the wrath period.
reliinfo 2 months ago
@reliinfo well, then your argument is with jack van impe because that where i heard what ive told you, from him. as i said before he knows more than both of us combined. so i wouldnt so quickly dismiss everything he says. i know he made mistakes but he did admit them too. i think hes right about this one. i dont hink this is a mistake. well its your choice. we obviously disagree a bit here and there. but if we are both saved then the chronilogical details dont matter much. peace, again.
bigblondman1 2 months ago
@bigblondman1 I just read an article concerning this subject:
"Jack Van Impe responds to the Pre-Wrath Rapture" and it points out
the mistakes he makes in his response, many things i typed to you
are surfacing in this article, so read it if you have the chance.
It is correct that we all differ in opinions and agree / disagree,
but as you say if we are saved than details do not matter much .
Peace to you as well, God bless.
reliinfo 2 months ago
@reliinfo well of course plenty of people disagree with van impe. i just think more agree with his statements regarding the pre trib rapture. thanks. ill look that up. or if you can send it to me. my direct email is;
tommoe50@yahoo.com
bigblondman1 2 months ago
@bigblondman1 I looked it up under "Jack Van Impe and the rapture", but i only read it and listened to the explanation of the pre-wrath rapture, but i did not download it nor printed the article.
"Jack Van Impe responds to the pre-wrath rapture" is the most direct to Google.
reliinfo 2 months ago
GREAT VID
ApologeticoPR 3 months ago
Sheep and the goats- You are all heretics...
freecounselingonline 4 months ago
i'm glad you came with this, i read my gideon bible while in the marines, and i thought my interpretation is so different then my protestant friends and catholic family. i had an idea i might have been right , but you just back me up here. to me it boils down to...no get out easy, you got a purpose, a mission, and you aren't going to heaven until...the day of judgement. so it irriates me this fundamentalists who are like i;m getting teleported, sucker! lol, well we know what's real.
pjmack79 4 months ago
The bible is a fairy tale and a bad one at that. Not even fit to be told in kindergarten.
ndzoko 4 months ago
@ndzoko get out of here you loser! go back and drink yourself to death!
chuparmelapolla1 4 months ago
@chuparmelapolla1 Read your bible, LOSER .God`s word>> Witches, kill them. Homosexuals, kill them.fortunetellers, kill them. those who don`t listen to priests, kill them. those hitting their dad, kill them. those who curse their parents, kill them, adulterers, kill them. fornicators, kill them. people who believe in other religions, kill them. non-believers,kill them. fals prohets ,kill them. blasphemers, kill them. those who work on the Sabbath, kill them. This is the word of god !!
ndzoko 4 months ago
@ndzoko Sorry you're still the loser! you wrote back! I beat you're one of those people that believe you came from monkey shit right? or better yet that Aliens created us and they're coming back in 2012 right? i don't know what book you're reading mine, SAY'S TO LOVE EVERYONE AS YOU'RE BROTHER,
chuparmelapolla1 4 months ago
@chuparmelapolla1 I bet you are one of those who came from a clump of mud. Descendants of incest twice over. Right ? Please man read your bible :Deuteronomy 17:12.Exodus 22:17.Leviticus 20:13.Leviticus20:27. Exodus 21:25. Proverbs 20:20. Leviticus 20-9 Leviticus 20:10 Leviticus 21:9. Deuteronomy 13:13,19 Exodus 22:19 Deuteronomy 13:1,5.Romans 1:24,32. Exodus 31:12,15. Romans 1:24,32. Leviticus 24:10,46 Deuteronomy 22:20,21. Deuteronomy 13:7,12
ndzoko 4 months ago
@ndzoko All of them from the old testament, after Jesus came, that was no longer left in our hands to handle, Now God will deal with them.. everyone has a chance of life.. read Matthew onward!! people like you just have to let go of what ever hate they have, if you're ever going to find peace
chuparmelapolla1 4 months ago
@chuparmelapolla1 after Jesus came, that was no longer left in our hands to handle, ... Totally wrong. He himself said.. not one iota of the law(the Old Testament) will change untill the end of time. Those verses are as valid today ,as over 2,000 years ago. If citing your bible is considered hate, well, so be it.
ndzoko 4 months ago
@ndzoko the old testament is and will always be used until that apointed time, but you claim that god want's us to kill people who do not beliveve or are gay, but What doesn't ten commandments say NOT TO KILL! if man will follow the ten laws then he will not break any of the other laws god has! plain and simple we can not take someone life!
chuparmelapolla1 4 months ago
@chuparmelapolla1 I cannot help it if the bible contradicts itself. I am just pointing out 1) that the old-testament is still valid. 2) that the god of the Old-testament(who is the same god as the one in the New-Testament) orders all those people killed.
ndzoko 4 months ago
@chuparmelapolla1 Your biblical creation story is so dumb, so infantile, that from the 106 colleges, which form the "Christian Coalition of Colleges" only 5 teach litteral biblical creation. Were you talking of sh... man. well ,Genesis is sh.... Plain bulls....
ndzoko 4 months ago
@ndzoko will when the time come's you cry like a child and no one will care, you will scream no one told you and no one will hear you! satan has you wrap around his finger, good luck to you, hope in some point in youre life you find peace, even if it doesn't last long.. and i don't give a rats ass what Chrisitin Coalition of college teaches..
chuparmelapolla1 4 months ago
excellent 5 stars
bnejaforever 4 months ago
Jesus showed me his divine clock of the end times in 2010, revealing the events of Revelation through 2016. The bride will be received by Him before the end of the First Watch (Spring of 2012), but the translation of saints can begin at any time. See the clock at: watch?v=QWoAFPUF7uo
jayorama1 4 months ago
@jayorama1 What BULLS... Nonsense !!
ndzoko 4 months ago
@ndzoko
The words of YAH are true. Jesus appeared to me bodily to affirm these things. He will receive his bride before the seals of Revelation opened in the summer of 2012.
jayorama1 4 months ago
@jayorama1 Jesus appeared to me bodily .. NUTS. Why would he do that ? Why would he make a miracle for YOU. but let 100,000 INNOCENT children die a horrible death beneath the rubble of their dwellings in Haiti ? makes mo semse at all. There are many in insane asylums, who claim to have talked to god, even claiming they are Jesus Christ in person. Shall I make an appointment for you ? Your god is a killer, I proved it to you.
ndzoko 4 months ago
@ndzoko
Jesus, who was YAH in a human body, died a horrific and tortuous death, and His truth is the source of all innocence. Jesus said, "Friends, don't fear those who destroy the body, and after that there is nothing more they can do to you. Rather, fear YAH, who has the power to destroy both the body and the soul in hell." Our bodies are expendable, our souls are not. Children who perish go into paradise, for "their angels do always behold the face of their Father in heaven."
jayorama1 3 months ago
@jayorama1 You have more of this nonsense ? There is no hell, nor heaven, nor devils, nor angels, unless you provide evidence for their existence.
ndzoko 3 months ago
@ndzoko
Jesus said, "though one rise from the dead, they will not believe." He stood in front of me at 4:25pm on May 12, 2010, and while I have seen Him, I have never seen you. What kind of evidence do you think I should have asked for? Time is almost up.
jayorama1 3 months ago
@jayorama1 The resurrecyion most probably did not happen. There is no eyewitness acount, noarchaeological finds, But there are many indications it did not happen. Tell me: Did this happen ? Yes or no ??atthew 27:52-53
"and the graves were opened; and many bodies of the saints which slept arose, and came out of the graves after his resurrection, and went into the holy city, and appeared unto many."
ndzoko 3 months ago
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@jayorama1 Our bodies are expendable, our souls are not.. Of course our souls are not expendable, Something that doesn`t exist can`t expand. Man ,open a science book . The bible is screwing your sanity.
ndzoko 3 months ago
@jayorama1
Sorry, but what are you smoking?
Do you even read scripture?
Do you know that satan can transform into an angel of light?
Do you know that deception is rampant in these days and satan will deceive those who know not the Word?
Wake up from your slumber, pick up the Bible, yeah that book that is collecting dust, and start studying for real the Word.
God had spoken already to us through His Son Jesus.
Which means ALL the answers are in the scripture!
God bless
hammerandnails777 4 months ago
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@hammerandnails777
What did Jesus say? "When the Spirit of truth is come, he will guide you into all truth ... and tell you things to come." (John 16:13.) What did Jesus say? "For there is nothing covered that will not be revealed, nor hidden that will not be known." (Luke 12:2) The clock is not mine, but His. I am sent to testify of what He showed me. All men are commanded to repent in the time we have remaining.
jayorama1 4 months ago
The whole concept of the rapture has been a source of Christian's becoming lazy, ill prepared and loss of faith altogether. When the Chinese Christians were undergoing persecution, MANY lost faith because no rapture came. The rapture myth is also used as a "safety net" so Christians won't feel the need to prepare for tribulation. When it doesn't happen, they will be lost! Better off forgetting about the rapture and living for God 100% and be prepared for ANYTHING the bible predicts every day!
blueshogun96 4 months ago 7
@blueshogun96
So well said!
Thank you and God bless!
hammerandnails777 4 months ago
amen
urgentmissionrecords 4 months ago
u cant say what happens only god knows
lanhakari03 5 months ago
@lanhakari03 , and the bible tells you, what he wants us to do and how to live! 2 timothly 3:16
chuparmelapolla1 4 months ago
"dmac333100 The failing of the pre-trib-rap to take place will cause the great falling away. The rapture doctrine has been misunderstood by many in that they place it before the tribulation period. I beg to differ from that understanding. The rapture is not pre-tribulation, it is a post tribulation rapture, at the sound of the last trumpet, not the first trumpet. The so called Christians will go through the tribulation period except those who die from natural or accidental death."
dmac333100 5 months ago 2
@dmac333100 harvest is post-tribulation for believers, mid-period and pre-wrath, wrath of YHWH ends with return of YHM on earth followed by the establishment of the millennium reign.
reliinfo 5 months ago
Luke 17: Jesus: "As it was in the days of Noah, so will it be on the day I return...the flood destroyed them. I tell you, on that night 2 people will be in bed; 1 will be taken & the other left behind." Disciples: "Taken where, Lord?” Jesus: “To where the vultures gather.” In the days of Noah evil people were taken. Those left behind were the righteous. So it will b when Christ returns. The saved will b able 2 withstand the light of His glory & be changed in an instant; the unsaved will perish
msitarilde 5 months ago
@msitarilde
If I can expound on that....Vultures gather where the dead are. And in the days of Noah, people were "taken"and killed by the Flood. And in Rev. 12:15 "So the serpent spewed water out of his mouth like a flood after the woman, that he might cause her to be carried away by the flood."
I just hope these churchy Christians can tread water...lol
08Revelator 5 months ago
Gah? It was hard to sit through all of that. Those verses were misunderstood and taken completely out of context. You do realize that not everyone who knows and can preach the Bible (even those who can preach it well) is saved? Just..so many flaws with your theory. Try reading the Left Behind series, it helps clear a lot of that up.
faithykitty 5 months ago
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Tell the Antichrist i say hi, he couldn't get me because i knew the Bible. Revelation 3:10, 1 Thess 1:10, 5:9. There are too many scriptures for him to deceive me. Plus i had a supernatural experience with the Lord n i know he's real. I believed him when he said he was going to prepare a place for me n he would come n take me to it. I knew he wouldn't beat us up in the tribulation n then say, let's get marry. DON"T TAKE THE MARK OF THE BEAST. We'll be praying for u. God bless u! Acts 2:38.
rossdaboss1959 5 months ago
Thank you my friend for keeping the Flame of Truth alive regarding this False teaching!!
08Revelator 6 months ago
@08Revelator You mean the false teaching in the video? 'Cause..that's what I see.
faithykitty 5 months ago
@faithykitty
oh don't be so church minded. If you really want to explore this, than we can message each other here where we can write more than 500 characters.
Every single point that is made for a pre-tribulation rapture that pastors in the churches you have been to, or Bible studies that you attend or whatever, are very scripturally weak arguments. I would love to go into it more in depth with you. Just send me a message through my page.
08Revelator 5 months ago
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msitarilde 5 months ago
@08Revelator I agree! Not that it matters for one's salvation, but should the tribulation happen in our time, I hurt and pray for those who will be shocked and bewildered. It will be then that we must surely be strong for one another, b/c there will be those who need comforting and reassurance.
msitarilde 5 months ago
@msitarilde
Just like Daniel says, my brother.
"And those of the people who understand shall instruct many; yet for many days they shall fall by sword and flame, by captivity and plundering. 34 Now when they fall, they shall be aided with a little help; but many shall join with them by intrigue. 35 And some of those of understanding shall fall, to refine them, purify them, and make them white, until the time of the end; because it is still for the appointed time." Dan. 11:33-35
08Revelator 5 months ago
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Wach the video in my channel, you will see and understand it
iamthebest6367 6 months ago
Sorry brother, but this is a good example of how to take scripture out of context. The doctrine of the rapture is clear and unmistakable. Paul describes the rapture in 1Thes4. Jesus describes it in the Olivet Discourse. In Revelation, John explains how the 144000 will be protected to continue ministering in the earth after the church is removed.
okflyer777 6 months ago
So many verses... taken out of context.
clockguy2 6 months ago
Jesus does speak of the rapture: he speaks ofsending his angels to gather his elect from the four winds after the great tribulation (Matthew 24) andPaul speaks of it moist clearly in I Thess 4:17 the dead shall rise first and those who are still alive in christ left will be caught up (rapture is just thelatin term for the verb here harpazdo) to meet theLord in the clouds.
why do you react against misrepresentations of rapture doctrine? itis clearly in the Bible
Strefanasha 7 months ago
@Strefanasha
Whether you call the "gathering together" the Rapture or not is not the issue here. It is talking against the doctrine of Pre-tribulation. This escapist way of thinking about prophesy does not profit the Christian. The Lord did not give us a spirit of fear......ect.
Any person that sites the "rapture" or "gathering together of God's elect" (which is really much more scripturally correct to say ) to happen before or even in the middle of the Great Tribulation is simply misinformed.
08Revelator 6 months ago
@08Revelator Yes, pre, mid and post (one event) tribulation raptures are all theories that are not biblical.
Harvest (misnamed as rapture) is after the tribulation before the wrath and the return on earth is after the battles following Harmageddon, than millennium followed by last war, judgment, destruction of heaven and earth and the creation of new heaven and new earth.
reliinfo 5 months ago
@08Revelator , I agree~
OurHumbleLife 5 months ago
lol you guys are so ignorant of the bible...you read what someone told you and then got it wrong because they did... There is a rapture and you will know it when you are left behind and wondering where did they go? That is when the antichrist and the new agers will say the aliens took them!
Ignorancecheck 7 months ago
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@Ignorancecheck but as in the days of Noe were , so shall also the coming of the Son of Man be... Math. 24:37 whom was taken ??? 39 and knew not until the flood came and took them all away... whom was taken ??? you are very right, scripture is plain about it... but, whom will be taken ??? Proverbs 10:30 and the righteous shall never be removed: but the wicked shall not inhabit the earth... that sounds pretty plain to me...
TheWatchmen001 7 months ago
One can not gospelize all the eschatology when more accurate info is available, gospel texts refer to the period 33- end times, the end (on earth) for believers is the harvest because we will return with YHM on earth at the climax of the battles following armageddon. during the wrath of YHWH there won't be any believers
on earth. that's why the return of YHM is a conquering event (not a collecting one
like the harvest).
reliinfo 7 months ago
ServeForElohimsGlory=CORRECT when they st8d above: "2 many people are waiting 4 d coming rapture.But there will b no rapture! Yehoshua never talks about sumthing like this. & His words r Truth! So we should open our eyes & read Scripture and c & get ready 4 the time of tribualtion." YES. -KJV!! MATT 24, MARK 13, LUKE 21, 2 THESS 2: 1-12, EZ 13: 18-23 KJV!! NOT NIV NOR ANY OTHER BOGUS TRANSLATION THAT HAS SINCE CHANGED CERTAIN SELECT WORDINGS IN KJV SCRIPTURE, AS SATAN DID 2 CHRIST IN WILDERNESS!
ballistix01 7 months ago
@ballistix01 What in the world are you talking about?
faithykitty 5 months ago
Santa Claus (Satan's Claws) & easter bunny r SECULAR-REgressive TRADITIONS OF MEN. Sound extreme? No. CHRISTmas = CHRIST MASS & IS ABOUT HIM, NOT "SATANS CLAWS" nor "ishtar bunny" distracting little children from the WORD & SAVIOR. Santa & easter bunny seem innocuous enuf, right? NOT. But then those w/o impetus nor eyes/ears 2 see/hear will think us crazy 4 st8ing this, but then THAT DOESNT DETER TRUE "DISCIPLES/APOSTLES."
ballistix01 7 months ago
High Sabbath = PESACH (AKA Passo / PassOver) which = our "easter," altho word "easter" comes from " ishtar " = PAGAN HEATHEN religions of grove-worship" (NOT to our God!) / orgies ("quick, like a little bunny-rabbit!"). It's our PASSOVER, NOT ishtar/easter! Throw OUT those egg hunts & bunnies, dont insult the Lord w/ secular REgressive worldly trash traditions! (Santa too! C'mas = NOT SANTA (interestingly enuf spells "SATAN" inverted!) because it DISTRACTS/DETRACTS FROM THE SAVIOR & WORD OF GOD)
ballistix01 7 months ago
Observing CHRIST everyday IS observing the Sabbath (our Saturday, NOT Sunday), FOR HE IS OUR GRACEFUL, MERCIFUL REST, SALVATION, PROTECTOR, AND YES! AVENGER. U can observe the Sab but as long as u observe HE u R observg it. A certain few particular STATUTES & ORDINANCES WERE TRUMPED & reduced BY HIS BIRTH & RESSURECTION, BUT the LAWs NOT done away w by any means nor in any way shape nor form ("I CAME TO CHANGE NOT 1 JOT NOR TITTLE of the (His!) Law")
ballistix01 7 months ago
If the pentecostal believe in sunday worship why are you hanging with the Jewish faith that keeps the sabbath? I am lost with this relationship.
Iwillvibrateonyou 7 months ago
@Iwillvibrateonyou:TRUE ACTUAL Sabbath=SATURDAY (spanish &/or Latin word SABADO-they had it right!) Christ was laid in Tomb Wed SUNDOWN(accord'g 2 HEBREW Tradition) & rose sumtime during night SAT eve. Besides,Christ's NOW & ALWAYS HAS BEEN OUR TRUE SABBATH.HE WORKED ON SABBATH DOING GOOD DEEDS. Particular Jew leaders @ d time (those who were of evil intent!) wer ANGRY w/ OUR LORD 4 "working" (healg, teachg) on Sabbath when He IS THE/OUR SABBATH (REST)! So observg Sab isnt necessary but still OK
ballistix01 7 months ago
@ GODS TRUE PPL: QUIT TRUSTING OTHER MEN/WOMEN TO TELL U WHAT THE WORD SAYS, 4 YOUR VERY SALVATION IS AT STAKE. GOD WARNS US MANY DECEIVERS (FALSE PROPHETS/WOLVES IN SHEEPS) R IN OUR MIDST, WHETHER KNOWINGLY OR IN IGNORANCE IT DOESNT MATTER! U HAVE 2 READ KJV 4 YOURSELVES & STOP LISTENG 2 THESE LOADS OF CHARLATAN SELF-APPOINTED "PREACHERS, FATHERS, REVERENDS, ETC. KJV MATT 24, MARK 13, LUKE 21, 2 THESS 2 ALL SAY POST GATHER BACK & IN EZ 13:20 (18-23) GOD LONG AGO SPOKE AGAINST FLY-cRAPTURE BULL!
ballistix01 7 months ago
Rev 9:Gods SHORTENED d 7 YR period (& 3+1/2 yr pd which=half of the 7) in which ANTI-C REIGNS HERE ON EARTH (6,6,6) to a 5 mo period (B4 CHRISTS 2ND,FINAL COMING @ "7,7,7"), which the A-C will either show up from the start of this 5 mo pd OR 1/2-way thru @ 2.5 months into the 5 month period,which=half the period.Rev 9 tells us the angel of the 5th Trump's-end sounds & then 6th Seal,Trump,Vial (6,6,6) begins w/ satan "falling" to earth (prob in flying craft/Ez/Elijah) so u DONT WANT 2 FLY AWAY!!
ballistix01 7 months ago
Those "taken (1stly) in the field," etc, r TAKEN BY ANTI-C & it's NOT CHRIST TAKING HIS TRUE PPL! The pre-tribbers GOT IT ALL WRONG. KJV!!!!!-Matt 24, Mark 13, Luke 21, 2 Thess 2, Ez 13:18-23, etc, ALL ST8 ANTI-C'S COMING 1ST @ 6,6,6 (6th Seal,Trump,Vial!); TRUE CHRIST COMES AFT @ 777 (7th & LAST Seal,Trump,Vial!) to destroy wicked one! Gods TRUE ppl r 2 STAY IN THE FIELD (WORLD) WORKING AGAINST THE FIERY DARTS OF THE DEVIL WHO WILL BE HERE, & SO WILL WE WHO R IN THE FLESH @ THIS TIME!
ballistix01 7 months ago
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The Scriptural "Thief in the Night" = reference to SATAN, NOT CHRIST (CHRIST IS NOT A THIEF NOR IS HE OF THE NIGHT/DARK!), BUT LUCIFER IS THE THIEF who comes 1ST'LY CLAIMG 2 b the True Christ @ "666" ("6th Seal,Trumpet,Vial") B4 OUR TRUE CHRIST who comes to DESTROY THE WICKED 1 AFT THOSE DAYS OF TRIB, @ "777!" MATT 24, MARK 13, LU 21, 2 THESS 2 ALL SAY POST TRIB! THOSE LEFT WORKING IN THE FIELD ETC R NOT TAKEN BY THE FALSE 1, BUT STAY WORKING IN GOD'S FIELD TIL VERY END & NOT OTHER WAY AROUND!
ballistix01 7 months ago
(dubleyoudubleyoudubleyoudot)his-forever(dot)com/jewish_weddings_rapture.htm
Yo bro. Stop thinking so western! Here's a link to help u get started on your way to study.
mrtreydaniels 8 months ago
So when did a thief coming in the night ever become a GOOD thing. this is the scripture so many people use when referring to the rapture right? I believe in God and most importantly Jesus is my savior but I have recently began to study my beliefs on the rapture which I have learned are totally wrong. Jesus said so him self when he spoke about the planting of the harvest study this and also study what he said to the church of Sardis in Revelation 3. In the harvest the weeds were pulled not wheat
thepowerofwords247 8 months ago
@thepowerofwords247 He wasn't referring to a thief in the night being a good thing. He was referring to the fact that you don't know when it's going to happen.
faithykitty 5 months ago
i wont store food, medicines, and other gear for myself, i store it for my neighbors and family. i know god is perfectly capable to take care of me and my needs. in fact, i just tought to send my winter cloths to russian child prisoners. why you people want to make so big deal about rapture enyways, just follow your lord and be awake like a loyal servant. if rapture will happen people know wheres my "bad day" stack, if not i will give from there to those who need.
Backstabber360 8 months ago
I think these end times will be an ultimate test for followers. Many who believe in the "pre-trib rapture", may actually fall away thinking that none of it is real if it does not happen as planned. Concerning the mark, not only will you have to take it under free will, you will be required to worship the beast. I don't think we are at that time yet, but getting closer. So instead of pin pointing a piece of technology, I would just prefer to warn of what is to come.
daleblazer 8 months ago
@daleblazer I disagree with you on that there WILL be a rapture but I do AGREE strongly that at this point and time is soul winning.I am like you,Will NOT time line which we are NOT to do but if one does thats on them.I for one cant get past this verse,2 Thess2:7-8.How can anti-christ come to power while the Church is still here? Seeing in Romans and 1THESS5:9,Not Children of wrath?
Patriotsfan1975 8 months ago
There will never be a rapture but, the end times also DO NOT exist. The book of revelation has already happened. The tribulation was the 7 years that Israel was destroyed. The second coming of Jesus was the holy spirit coming after he left and on and on. If christians want to be taken seriously, they need to get a real grasp on the bible, including learning and understanding the ancient cultures and languages used to write this book. Also, the mark of the beast was 666, not a silicone RFID tag.
Beefinator50 8 months ago
@Beefinator50: U R SCRIPTURALLY INCORRECT. We r NOW in 5th Seal,Trump,Vial or "555." The 6th S,T,V ("666!"), during which SATAN arrives HERE CLAIMING 2 B CHRIST COME 2 FLY U ALL AWAY, & THEN 7th S,T,V ("777!") in which the TRUE CHRIST comes to DESTROY THE WICKED ONE & HIS CHILDREN & WORKS HAVEN'T OCCURRED YET! TOO MANY PROPHECIES TO BE FULFILLED, YET THEY R COMING TRUE @ A MORE RAPID PACE THAN EVER B4 IN HISTORY (NATURALLY!). Quit misleading ppl with false knowledge u apparently have NO clue of.
ballistix01 7 months ago
Awesome video! Judgment starts at the house of God. 1Pe.4:17 The trib. will make the church pure w/o spot or wrinkle. ep.5:27 Were called to be PERFECT like our Father returning good for evil. A person who fears God flees from evil.Job 2:3.
Mt.5:45-48 Not defending ourself / No guile... Were to be like Christ.1pe.2:21-25/Rev.14:5 We will die to our old nature. We will be Perfect! Those of us who endure till end will birth forth Christ. They will manifest Christ in their life. Lu.17:21.
charlieangel1000 8 months ago
2 timothy 3:16: all scripture is god breathed and it useful for teaching rebuking correcting and training in righteousness, so your going to let one verse that you twisted the words of totally disregard the books of matthew and revalation? THIS sir is false prophecy. another sign of the RAPTURE.
TheQwertyuiop18229 8 months ago
I do not understand people who believe in God. There is no proof of God. Alright, there's the Bible, but did God write the Bible? No. People who worshipped a un-real being wrote it, making them think that there is some person that watches us all the time. If you believe in God, show us (the non-believers) the proof of him, if you don't, then there is no God. I once believed in God, and I asked him for my mum and dad to come back together. Did that happen? No. And why? Because God isn't real.
CPSPD 8 months ago
@CPSPD Do you believe that Jesus Christ existed?
And, prove to me that wind exists? You can't see it, you see the trees move...but maybe the trees are just moving at its will.. You can see God working in peoples lives, saving them from addiction, poverty, and hurt. And, go outside and look at the earth, there is no way that it just happened like that. No way that this complex world, which at a slight temperature difference there can be floods or an ice age, that can't just happen.
NoToFtHiSwOrLd1026 8 months ago
@CPSPD You're an Atheist, I guessed.
Hyperlinex 8 months ago
@CPSPD Thats because you cant see him...noone can and noone knows that he does even exist because uite frankly people that have died and gone to the lords kingdom cant tell you that he exists.... and noone can prove it but you have to believe because and ill give you a reason why god DOES exist....JESUS jesus was the son of GOD jesus did exist thats a fact and tell me how he got here if it wasnt his father which so happens to be god
mw2killaable 8 months ago
@CPSPD It didn't happen because it wasn't in God's plan. And I can't show you any proof that is going to make you happy, I can't command God to come down, because I am the servant, and God is my Master. The servant doesn't command the master, the Master commands the servant. God loves you, God loves all of us, He sent his one and only Son Jesus to die on the cross for our sins. You need to find God yourself, pray in Jesus name, accept Jesus into your heart, live life for God.
marshan3q 8 months ago
@CPSPD There's proof all around of God, not just The Bible, but archeological proof, examples. A man has said he found Noah's ark. The Bible isn't only witness accounts of those events, it's God's word. The big bang, evolution, all theories, hasn't been proven, and can't be proven. I ask you that you look into Christianity again, because I honestly do care about you. Please, just think about this with an open heart and an open mind, and come to Christ. I will pray for you. God bless.
marshan3q 8 months ago
Enough of this nonsense. Christianity itself is a prime sin by it's own definition. Worshiping a man as god. Rule number ONE broken by the nature of it's being.
But beyond that it's all nonsense written by men anyway. So keep right on believing your drivel. Nothing will ever change and in the end you won't be right,
Man knows nothing of the beyond or God, and it's arrogant to assume we wrote a book with all the answers. You people are fools living with superstition & fable in your hearts.
millgiass 8 months ago
actually, there are WAY less wars today than there has ever been. you sir are lying.
norwedgianawesomenes 8 months ago
Everyone to their own devices i say ..but you say god is our father ! what kind of father will condemn those who do not "believe"! sounds like a prick too me..huh just like my real dad!
solvesters 8 months ago
Okay. You keep referencing to "the end" and asking how we can go til the end if we're called up in the Rapture. What if the end is the rapture? Second of all, if you read the bible, it references the "end of times". Read Revelation 7: 9-17. I put it to you that we are already facing tribulation. And if we are, get ready, cause Jesus is not far behind. And don't say that there will be no rapture and then say that believers will be raised to rule with Yehshua! You're contradicting yourself!
latuacantante121 8 months ago
Just because you go to church and read the bible. Doesnt mean you are a true believer.
lippy170 8 months ago
There's too many people out there 'playing god'....you will never know when the end is. And the ''end of the world'' is just an easy way out...lets predict the ''begining of the world'' and make a change. Only we can change this world. We cant expect god to change everything, that isnt fair. He saved us! Now lets do something for him and help his children. Not just yourselves.
lippy170 8 months ago