none of these religion are working there are more killing in religion than heeling..but the only people being hurt in all this is the africans that started this religion in the fist place....black ppl need to wake up and take stand....we dont need there religion all we need is us to stand together ,, god is in us!! christianity and islam need us to participate in there way of thinking....us blks in the USA are the saviors of the world...once we wake up the kingdom of god(patah) will be on earth!
@mrwillamjames161 killings are not about religion it's about greed and hate and power! You people try to sound so, so called black yet use the Caucasian man's ideas to shape your individual theories it's pathetic! Why on earth are you calling yourself BLACK in the first place! In Alkebulan we didn't called ourselves black people. You don't see Islam doing nothing BECAUASE YOU'RE NOT PAYING ATTENTION! You're so caught up in a mirage of black activism you can't see!
@mrwillamjames1611 Us blacks in the USA? speak for yourself, I get far more done as a Muslim than that worn our saying BLACK POWER crap spewed all over this unconcious community. Did you mention Ptah? So do you make prayer on your face every day firve times a day to Ptah? Amun? Ra? Ausar? First off yall don't even practice what yall preach and second KEMET IS GONE! Islam was alway there and still here. If Kemet was so powerful how did they fall?
@mrwillamjames1611 for the fact of the matter Islam is changing people's lives you just got your eyes shut. Plus there are 1.8 billion muslims that can attest to this and counting. The Qur'an said this would happen and it's happening, what do you call something someone predicts and thing it is manifested?
islam is a copy of ma'at... everything islam stands for ma'at offers the same.... yes islam is a religion...god(patah) has no religion .. us humans made up religion to be one with god in there own way copying from the older spiritualitys... now islam is AD and our spirituality go back thousands of years.yes islam is an african religion before the arab invasion.... once the arab invaded they took over the religion and now was are so call trying to take it back when we need to take africa anyway
@novarblkrj LOL I definitely wasn't worried about the $20 dollars I went there for 2 things, 1. to talk to Saneeter about his nonsense, 2. to see Ray not have any info. I told people Ray knows absolutely nothing about Islam !!! I got to see how stupid Saneeter really is along with Tahuti at their own Egyptian Adept brother Ray lol I just laugh they can't even get along, and I am still laughing till this day lol lmao
What happened there was discusting. What do you expect Ray Hagins to do? You think a black show throw down is helping any of us. NO! Yes Ray Hagins used to work from law enforcement. That is why if you take the time to listen, he's giving you information within the system to prevent and avoid. Instead, these clowns want to ridicule him. No wonder we can't rise as a people.
@MrCarbonbase When will you guys stay on topic. Don't get mad at me, even Ray haggins own Kemet brothers yelled at him, Saneter and Tahuti yelled at him I was there, so why get mad at me? LOL
You have no knowledge on the arab nation from up out of africa, I would love to debate you in public and see if you would say that nonsense in front of a crowd and I will embarrass you after!
It wasn't about ancestors, it was about Ray coming and providing info that he never had. I kept telling people that man knows nothing about Islam, absolutely nothing! And He proved me right! NoReligion was you there at the debate or dialouge whatever they wanna call it?
what was yall watching dr. westley was saying some of the things dr ray was telling us... that muhammad came went into kemet and saw the ppl under the spirituality of ma'at and went back to northeast africa and tought the same spirituality so islam is a copy of the spirituality of kemet(egypt) so if muhummad did excist he went into kemet and adept there spirituality which they got it from nubia and they got if from ethiopia... so if ethiopia was here befor all the others...
@mrwillamjames1611 First of Dr Ray don't know what the heck he is talking about, how can Muhammad pbuh not exist yet he entered Kemet? LOL what are you talking about? Dr. Wesley played the film where Ray contradicted himself, a man can go into another land if he DON'T EXIST! Plus MUHAMMAD PBUH NEVER ENTERED KEMET! HE ONLY LEFT MECCA THREE TIMES!
@mrwillamjames1611 How can Islam be a copy of Kemet? I am so sick and tired of you people saying that it's pathetic. Islam has 5 Pillars and 6 articles of faith, does Kemet have that? Ma'at is Not Islam, are you on drugs? The first spiritual people on this planet are from africa and prayers, balance etc came from our first parents and the children spreaded out! you do know what COPY MEANS RIGHT? Islam isn't a copy of Kemetian teachings, you better go study.
@mrwillamjames1611 You're not knowledgaeble, Muhammad pbuh already had Islam before he sent some of his Sahabahs to Abyssinia or Kemet. So what are you talking about? Again MUHAMMAD NEVER LEFT TO GO TO KEMET NOT ONCE! AGAIN HE HAD QUR'ANIC SCRIPTURES COMING ALREADY IN THE MONTH OF RAMADHAN and the Kemetians were already gone, he saw the acutual COPTS not Kementians of old they were already gone and dead! SMH Yall better go learn your history correctly.
@mrwillamjames1611 The kemetians were gone by the second invasion of the Roman Empire, first the Persians, and that was BCE, Muhammad pbuh was born 571, 7 th century AD! So what are you talking about? The Egyptians were already now Christian Copts! Muhammad dark AFrican Arabs went to over throw the Caucasian Byzatines and told his people "PROTETCT THE EGYPTIAN COPTS THEY ARE FAMILY" you know why because all those people from Kush were related so there was no stealing! SMH
You black muslims/christians kill me...you all are so fascinated with whie folks/arabs that you will put them before our ancestors!! You niggas make me sick!!!
@noreligion85 You need to just shut up, you aren't I bet practicing anything our ancestors did you are all talk and no action. and you got the galls to still use the "N" word in 2011? Who is going to listen to you and how you talk? SMH.
It is sad to see our people so messed up mentally.. that why we dont grow as a people becasue they use us against each other... just plan stupid... if dr. wesley is so sharp why he never try to debate the late Dr. Clark... I am sure the Dr. Hagin is not as sharp as the late Dr. Clark.. But he is trying to open our eyes in a postive manner. I love Dr. Hagins and I have found self.. Because , all said and done it all about God the creator of all..
Dr. Haggins should of just said that he has his own personal b eliefs about the prophet Muhammed saw, but he cannot prove it...and went home. That was a waisteof time for all of our people that showed up to hear the truth, he new he could not show and prove anything, and tried to hide that fact by saying he came for Unity, and what is truth, and whos clarity speach. Get the f$%% outta here, the people were hungry he should of fead his people, knowledge truth, and understanding. Peace
@mia919100 Salaam. How can Dr. Ray feed food knowledged on Muhammad saws when he didn't have it in the first place? I told people he knew nothing about Islam. Soon as a person say Muhammad saws started Islam immediately I know they don't know what they are talking about. As soon as they say he didn't exist I know they don't know what they are talking about. He has jumped from Christianity to the Cult or Ausar/Ra and he don't even practice the rituals. They try and live off of something dats dead
@mia919100 His personal beliefs? LOL When it comes to Muhammad saws one has to bring history, Qur'an etc, as Dr. Wesley did and chewed him out. That's why I went for 2 reasons, 1. To bare witness myself Dr. Ray didn't know anything and I didn't want no one telling me what went down. 2. To approach Saaneter about what he said to me in my email face to face. I will not support Saaneter on anything.
$20 dollars to get in and Dr. Haggins said nothin to back his claims about the prophet Muhammed saw and Islam...I could feel a refund coming my way if I went, I would of been heated ock. Heated.
@mia919100 LOL Trust me it was well worth it, didn't you hear me laughing in the background at that clown Saaneter? Saaneter was so defeated he wanted to switch sides you should of seen the rest of how upset he got, maybe I should put that up also lol Tahuti couldn't do it, and Dr. Ray couldn't do it. 5 degrees Ray has and couldn't come up with one ioda on Muhammad saws! I felt good they got crushed because they need to stop lying to people!
@mia919100 The elder I went with said now he has a new respect for Islam because he knows about it a little more. When Dr. Ray started talking gibberish I told my elder he has nothing as I said. Then he went into this church thing which he is suppose to be out of church, telling us Dr. Clarke told him who is in his grave this and that. LOL So it wasn't a waste of time I enjoyed it and got to meet some young people that didn't like how Saaneter handled the whole thing.
Man we need to get over our difference and live. Ray did the right thing why does he need to debate this is why we see no progress. Still trying to feed our egos'. We are all one connecte to the creative mind so lets walk to gether and stop shaming our selves ovwer who one a lecture.
@75hoya Peace. what you said was nice, but maybe you need to tell that to Ray. He is the one that went to the debate to debate or dialogue with Dr Wesley. He is the one that said Dr Wes was wrong in his insertion that Islam came from Africans. So he was challenged this is what they do amongst scholars. HE HAD NO INFO ON WHAT HE WAS SUPPOSE TO DISCUSS! That's Ray's fault. He made a claim he should of stuck to it.
@rahim4411 my family and I were at this debate, in my opinion Dr. Hagins was not prepared to take on Dr. Wesley Muhammad . At the end of Wesley Muhammad's dialogue Wesley presented a clip of Dr. Hagins speaking on Islam which in my opinion won Wesley the debate. Wesley Muhammad is one of the best debaters I have ever seen he is always prepared and knows his opponents style and can go with the flow should his opponent go off on topic
@soulangel835a PEACE I concur on your conclusion! 100% Dr. Wes tore a new whole in Tahuti the worse, that was the best debate I have seen and Now the wrong Tahuti has told on Qur'an etc I am going to clean them up on U Tube. I wish I could of met you at the dialogue, because they swear it was not a debate so I will use dialogue, either way Ray H didn't support his own whims! Ray claims this and that about Islam but had not one ioda of evidence.
@soulangel835a Big as his mouth was Saaneter told us that Ray had time to prepare and if Ray H said Muhammad pbuh didn't exist why was he talking about Muhammad pbuh as THOUGH HE DID EXIST? I don't trust any of them and I don't care what any of them say, I am not supporting a bunch of lying DVD selling street vendor talking about saving the world ghetto scholars! Saaneter and Ray H share the same Kemetic teachings yet they were apart that night.
@soulangel835a It baffled me how Saaneter grabbed the mic 4 times and dissed Ray H, his elder and I was there to step to Saaneter because of something he said to me while on U Tube and I told him personally "I NEED TO TALK TO YOU AFTER THIS EVENT", I was not smiling and was going to tell him call me an Arab N**** to my face and I had muslim brothers with me so I wasn't worried. I am sick of these dudes lying to our people and they don't even practice Kemetic teachings!
@soulangel835a I will not support Saaneter, Tahuti, Ray H, Seti none of them, let them support one another. They think everyone should listen to them but they don't listen to others when the facts are presented. It's ridiculous. After that I waited for Saaneter outside but I met 2 young people that came and they were disappointed, and I gave them assurance to keep studying just watch who you study under. I am glad I went though I saw it in the flesh.
@soulangel835a I got the see Saaneter and his buffoonery in action and got it on my own tape! Saaneter was so worried about people looking at him when people were looking at Ray H like he was crazy and wasn't even thinking about Saaneter or Tahuti. Clowns at best. I will never go to another one of those nor my people, they can't teach us nothing anyway. But I am glad I got the experience.
@soulangel835a If Saaneter had and issue with Dr. Ray he should of went behind closed doors to talk to him not try to embarrass him in public view that was a disgrace.
I have nothing against a debate...as long as it is kept within the parameters of such, when those men debated(referring to Dr.Clarke and his constituents) there was a level of respect for one another, now people seem to be depriving the process...It's more glitz and glamour and gross lack of respect for speakers even if they are speaking about so-called philosophy...whose leaders allegiance seems to be with the "masons" more than the people of islam...The youngest of the monotheistic sect...plz
@Pharoahgenesis ok I agree on the respect thing, the Muslims, christians and everyone gave him respect, even Dr. Wes said he was a good noble man at the debate, but it was Saaneter and Tahuti of the Cult of Ra that suppose to believe in Kemetic teachings the same as Ray disrespecting Ray not anyone else. We were disappointed that he came with not one single ioda of History on Islam as he proclaimed he was. My motto is don't say something if you can't back it up!
@Pharoahgenesis You got SaraSutenSeti exposing Ray Haggins and they are suppose to be of the same Amen-Ra clut! That's not others dissing Ray that's his own Kemetic people lol hahah lol
@blackaliens First off Islam is about nature and Peace. Kemet is not the first nation in Africa to exist. There were other nations way before Kemet the place. So you mean to tell me Kemetic cult is not a MAN'S religion? Who wrote the Metu Neters? Who ruled in each dynasty? again Didn't the Pharoahs have dreams and interpret them to the people as righteousness? What is the meaning of Islam black and when did Islam start? Answer those for me!
THIS IS EASY: ONE LOVE TO RAY HAGGINS !!!- LETS GO now WE already know jesus and all the biblical prophets are mythological/made-up stories,with that being said, if mohhammad spoke about jesus&other prophets mentioned in the bible,then we know that its all bullshit, at that time ERA psuedapigrapha writtings was common,every prophet is the same,they saw a angel,then they became authors of books,we must stop thinkin paperback information is the way to prove things to be true,thats misleading100%
@mrblackaliens First off Muhammad pbuh didn't use the name Jesus because that name didn't exist! Isa ibn Maryum, do you know what means? Are you well studied in islam? I know you're not! Kemet were the BIGGEST MYTH TELLERS! so you know the Qur'an? Oh so I guess you didn't study Kemet well enough to know they had Dreams and Visions as they claimed also like Akhnaten and others. So I guess their myths are better than everyone else myths? Man please!
@rahim4411 whoa slow down cowboy., now i know the term jesus wasnt used,but i also know biblical literature was used,and i also know abraham is the father of all these religions and i mean his name not him as being a real person,,slow down cow boy,ancient kemet/africa, created these myths,but they right to the degree of what it symbolized,so therefore it was true wisdom,translated into human nature, but as far as islam it still is a mans religion inspired by the times.guess you didnt study life
This is sad. Even in learning the truth we can not come together. Can't wait to tear each other down. Sad that we still feed into the trap of slaying each other mentally, physically, spiritually and emotionally. We are all in the learning stage! Open up and embrace your brothers and sisters. Share the info, be kind to each other, learn to love and stop destroying one another. Geez!
People are not FEELING the DEBATE because it's not neutral. The guy on the mic who should be in the role of the TIME KEEPER is yelling "Dr. Wes is a bad man". What is he Dr. Wes's cheer leader? I would have sued for my MF $ back. This type of event plant the seeds to a civil war amongst Black people.
@LER77 Peace the guy on the mic is Saaneter, I mean it was obvious Ray H didn't have anything. Saaneter I don't know I am not supporting him anymore. He claims he want this so called BLACK UNITY but at the same token if you don't believe in what he believes he becomes an enemy so to me he is about DVD sells and not on the real about unity. Anything he throws I am not showing up that was my first and last, it was terrible how it ended.
@rahim4411 I don't understand why you foolish black sheep keep looking at this staged muslim gauntlet to ambush Dr. Hagins as proof of anything...the basis of Dr. Hagins teaching supersede the basis of Islam...the time constraint cannot be compared...So quit talking about this ambush like it's some damned rappers battling over beats...Dr. Wesley with all his so called proofs still just an not an argument worth engaging...So why even bring info about something that irrelevant?
@Pharoahgenesis Name calling huh? First off It was Ray H that claimed Dr.Wes was wrong! He got there and couldn't prove it! Was you there? The man said Muhammad pbuh didn't exist and Islam started with Muhammad and Ray H is DIFFENTLY Wrong! When someone with knowledge stepped up to challenge him, RAY HIM SELF SAID " I have nothing to bring Dr Wes got it" ETC! So please don't come here with your johnny be late statements! I knew Ray didn't have nothing, he is not well studied in Islam! FACT!
@Pharoahgenesis Again Ray don't know what he is talking about Islam was in existance before the so called Jews, why didn't he present that at the dialogue or debate? HE WOULD OF LOOKED LIKE A FOOL! He said himself he learned from Dr. Wes, I was there and have the full tape! Debates are healthy yall kill me with this "LIKE IT'S A RAP BATTLE" Cornel West Debated John H. Clarke, other scholars debate so what is your problem?
@Pharoahgenesis Ray Haggins OWN Kemetic people got on him, I wasn't mad I just laughed because I knew Ray didn't have any proof. He spent 20 years in the church and he didn't know about Islam then and he sure the hell doesn't now! Ray knows nothing about the Qu'ran nor Islam Period!
@LER77 I am sick of Saaneter and his rerun antics of the same subject over and over again just with a different tone. He has NOI going against NOI now. I can't stay in the first grade from 6 years old to 40 then I make no progress, samem thing here he keeps talking about the same thing over and over!
@LER77 my brother you are right...the spirit in which this was done seemed as one for a ambush, invite Dr. Hagins under false pretenses, have you boy have the home field advantage with the crowd and hype man on the ones and twos. Just ridiculous. If i was Dr. Hagins, just showing that the Quran makes mention to follow jewish customs and prophets is good enough to show the doctrine is a fallacy. Damn a bean pie, Islam is no better than christianity, then to come after it as well, complete fallacy
When you really think of it...If the Koran backs up bogus characters in the bible and the bible is suspect...?.All Wesley highlighted was a contrast between white sheep and black sheep from what I saw of this supposed debate...disguised as a lecture...Why you chocolate Arabs don't fall in line with your barbaric brethren and call for a Jihad on Hagins...So us Africans see what type of traitors you are...
@DEZZLELUV It's Qur'an, not Koran, learn how to spell. 2nD did you know the Arabic Quran was done before the actual English bible? And do you know The Qur'an don't support things like Jesus was god and he is the son of Allah, or he was killed or crucified on a cross? Do you know whot he Ad and Thamud People were? There are things in the Qur'an that don't support the Bible nor the Bible have in it. So what are you talking about? You're making yourself look foolish!
@rahim4411 I can care less to spell it correctly... the K stands for the kaka that is abound in the made up text of which your illiterate prophet supposedly memorized..Give me a break.Show me the proof that that book of fary tales predated the fabricated book it references...better yet prove that the Father of your religion ever existed...you can't...you chocolate arabs are as foolish as the so called iliterate who supposedly memorized the book of fables and lies...give me a break...
@DEZZLELUV If the Qur'an is a book of fables then you tell me how the embryonic stages in it is fake. Kemet didn't put in writings of the embryonic stages. Now you tell me how a man in the desert at that time new that? lol You're a fable.
Kemet is long gone since the Persians invaded it and yall wanna blame that on the Muslims get outta here with that.
@rahim4411 That's the problem right there..you chocolate Arabs condone those savages desecrating holy sites...you have been brainwashed to accept their made up doctrine and peddling that garbage like its genuine..no different than your daddy Christians who gave you the premise for that Book of fables.Your cave dwelling forefathers were crawling on all fours when the cosmos was being mapped and put in stone..Save that embryonic bullsh#t for the illiterates..one false doctrine for another.please!
@DEZZLELUV Muhammad pbuh is not the father of any of us but he is last messenger, seal of the Prophets. There are hundreds of artifacts on Muhammad as a matter of fact look up my video and I show some of them. He has a tomb, his daddy has a grave and his momma has one too so ummmmmm proof? LOL you people kill me GO STUDY BECAUSE I WOULD BLAST YOU IN A DEBATE IN THE REAL WORLD!
@rahim4411 There is no debate with an anti-African...anti-Black mindset....This is the beginning of the push back brother...all those doctrines got to go...cleansing first got to start in house no doubt...
@DEZZLELUV Did you know Islam was on the map thousands of years before The Son of Mary even came into existance? Why attack Haggins? Haggins put out something against Islam and when it was his chance to prove it wrong he couldn't and he got proven wrong. So ummm why attack him? He already made himself look foolish, and his own Kemetian people attacked him, the muslims don't need to. Africans? lol You sound stupid!
@rahim4411 ..The fact that you speak of the Son Of mary tells me your as bastadized in philosophy as you are in your religious beliefs...Again what ever trap you had set for Haggins didn't work..your set up was bogus..and as Haggins said intelectual masterbation was not in his agenda...but you felt compelled to express your dissatisfaction..but not all of us fall for your bogus tactics...Hagins is the real deal no doubt...somethnig you chocolate arabs will have to realize...
@DEZZLELUV LOL hahahaha lmao lol You got me in tears, TRAP RAY? lol hahahah
Ray trapped himself. He claimed he would rock Dr. Wesley with info on Islam and HE FOILED !!! LOL That man was in the church for 20 years bonified! He knows nothing about Islam. You think Ima trust a dude that claims at a debate "DR CLARKE TOLD ME IN A DREAM" I was there when he said that we the Muslims and non muslims started laughing. LOL Ray is a joke and a dam agent!
@rahim4411 What is it about a metaphor you don't understand.since you know his background in the church of which he has abandoned in actual practice.you just boasted about a ring of a made up man who's face cannot be seen or even drawn on a canvas for the risk of death to even contemplate doing so.So I suppose you would have to envision Muhammad in a DREAM right?.Come on get over it.Brother you gets no respect..I suggest you start giving some out if you require any in return.Respect Ray Hagins
@DEZZLELUV Dr Wesley put a spanking on Ray. First of all I aint try to set him up, his own beloeved Kemetic family BLASTED HIM! I was disappointed that he claimed all that crap and couldn't provide not one piece of evidence yet Dr Wes did and kilt him in the debate or dialogue whatever you wanna call it the man came up short.
@rahim4411 All I took away from Wesley's garbage is White Sheep and Black Sheep..vague enough to flip a coin on...Come on man...A ring ...a letter That's it!!..Oh I forgot, you can't even see the illiterates face its forbidden..what sickness says that's should be allowed for a prophet...a holy man of God supposedly...I say Bullsh*t!...you got to be either dumb or brainwashed to accept that hogwash..Peace Be Upon Him my #ss...look at the savagery in his wake...You chocolate Arabs are twisted
@DEZZLELUV You sound real crazy lol Africans? which ones, Libyans, Chadian, Ghana? Somalia? Ethiopia? Nigeria? First of all so called Africans sold themselves out when they sold each other to the Caucasians to bring over here in slavery, yeah you wanna talk about that? You got the nerve to talk about traitors, you need to be quiet! Hutu's can't stand the Tusi and they both look alike from the same Aboriginal stock!
@rahim4411 yes indeed. the devilishment started with black skin. just like divinity started with black skin. Once we are able to get back to the root of the root and find that black is the core of all, we can untangle the knots of black experience. we know that black men and women were their most successful on this planet under the kemetian life system. none other came close. with that said, most of out focus should logically be on reclaiming and retaining the essence of that success.
@hoodprophet Peace, well written, for me, I don't use the word black, I am African descent, the Aboriginal man, the original man. Now I understand your point, but as far as I know Kemet, no one knows all of the MYSTERY system. For me I am successful under Islam since 1990, without the Kemet system. I have seen those claim Kemet and are not practicing it. But you keep doing you and do your kemet thing, Ima stay Muslim, Hotep!!!
@rahim4411 if you did your reserach you would know the belgium nfluence and instigation of the conflict..where as collaborating Tutsi's help in the opressing of the majority Hutu..and centuries of hate rage was manipulated in a wicked game...Just as you chocolate Arabs are attempting to perpetrate...Yeah you go ahead and laugh at the one unifyingterm that could illiminate these differences...you an Arab after all..but. let me see you go to Saudi Arabia and claim it and see how you get treated..
@DEZZLELUV No if you did your research you would know Islam predates Muhammad pbuh Oh we CHOCOLATE ARABS RIGHT? Well we do run Arabia proof a chocolate Arab Imam is running Masjid Al Haram and there are many others. Now you artifical none practicing Kemetic idiots let me see you go and claim Egpyt and take Asrah Qwasi with you and see what happens :-)
@NYDEMOLITIONFANS Yo that's the funny part. when he said that, I looked at my other muslim brothers and we bust out laughing. He went into his old Christian habit. That was the most idiotic thing Ray could of done, I don't trust dude no far as I can spit. He claimed Muhammad didn't exist he had his stage to prove it and he didn't. there are hundreds of artifacts of Muhammad he just don't wanna recognize it, I have nothing to hold with dude.
@NYDEMOLITIONFANS Ray suppose to be of the Ausar cult of Kemet and he don't practice anything of Kemet just like a lot of these so called Kemetians out here. Ask them what prayers they do and how do they say them in Demotic and they can't tell you. All Ray did was transfer his Christianity over to the Ausar cult. Aint no way you suppose to say DR CLARK TOLD ME IN A DREAM. GEt the heck outta here ! His own people was mad what that tell you?Dont get mad at me.
@NYDEMOLITIONFANS Funny thing NY a lot of these cats talking on here wasn't even there see I was that's why I was able to put up this video! Dr. Wes blew him outta the water, even Saaneter a Kemetian said it, I didn't say it, Saaneter said it and dudes wanna get mad at me. For what cause I put up the video and he got exposed? LOL DEAL WITH IT. KEMET IS OVER BEEN GONE~!
I didn't get that from Phil, I've been aware of that since 1994. I saw the Wes and Phil deal. This is not my opinion. I study also. Like the minister is BOULE. I was in the craft once upon apart of time. For us to defend Islam with such force is no different for T.D. Snake defending Christianity. Most of all, I love you brothers and sister for questing higher knowledge of self. Rather than petty worldly ways.. We are on our way..Hotep
@wam9tube Just like Hotep Means Peace, Salaam means Peace, if you look at the Kemetians, they pray the same way Muslims pray, Christians don't, listen to the langauge of Arabic with Demotic or heretic and it sounds the same. Brothers in Tuuba Africa can translate the Metu Neter, original it was Arabs who translated the Hieroglyphs not that Caucasain character they claim, so Islam is true bro if you want to compare the two.
Since a shorty, Something has always drawn me to history of my people. I find a lot of what he say to be true. Before I became aware of brother like him and others, I recognized the western creation of these 3 religions. They are all built off the stolen knowledge of the nile valley, indus cush, civilization. I guess Phil finds more truth the higher he fly. We as a people need to realize that these monsters (Islam, Christianity, Judasim, etc. has broken our home..
@wam9tube What you must understand if you studied that Islam and the definition has been here since the first man, not the same word but the definition which means submission to the Creator! Islam and Muslims also come up out of Kush if you do your correct studying bro, they went into North Africa/Arabia in Yemen. A lot of our people went separate ways, just like the Zulus they don't practice Nile Valley they are direct where creation started.
I would like to see these brother have a public debate with Brother Phil Valentine on the subject of islam. Christianity, Judaism, Islam is the 3 headed monster created by the vatican. . . . . . Islam rape and rob my mother also..No different than the Roman christ of the Khzarian jew. . . .
@wam9tube That's your OPINION, NOT A FACT! You must don't know that Dr. Wes put out a challenge already to Phil V, did you know that? GUESS WHAT HE DIDN'T SHOW UP! Phil V saying Islam started by the Vatican is a cartoonic idiotic lie! If you go and look at Dr. Wes work, he shows how Phil with his foolish rhetoric is lying. Phil don't wanna debate all he wanna do is make money, then try and charge $79 dollas for a book? WE ARE IN A RECESSION!
@rahim4411...I believe inmaking a point he is free to use examples...driving the point to the audience requires a littel mental participation...so What sthe problem...it stil doesn't chaneg the fact the Jesus didn't exist nor did Muhhammad...Dr. Ray hagins has distanced himself from his indoctrination...you chocolate arabs need to wake up as well..get back to your African consciousness..
@DEZZLELUV what you just said makes no sense, the only thing I understood from you said was Muhammad pbuh don't exist. PROVE IT! Ray Haggins got busted by giving a freaking lecture as though Muhammd did exist, why would he do that? All Ray has to do is go to Muhammad's tomb, his mother and father's tomb, go see the artifacts of Muhammad! there are hundreds!
@rahim4411 Then Ray got the nerve to be down with some Police organization that wanna bring our sista Asata back here to be tried? You talk about that Africa? Hell some of the Africans right now who are leaders are treating the African people like crap what do you tend to do about it? don't tell me go to Africa and fix it since you wanna be so Africanistic!
@DEZZLELUV Ray H, believes in Ausar, Auset and Heru, these clay, picture momuments DON'T EXIST AS REAL PEOPLE! Ausar doesn't even come until the 5th dynasty not before, if he does PROVE IT! There is not one single mummy found of these three figures. They were the figments of the imagination of the Egyptians, they didn't exist yet have pics and models as though they did. So just because you have a pic of someone don't mean they exist!
@DEZZLELUV Ray haggins don't even practice Egyptian culture, I know for a fact he doesn't bend down and put his head to the ground and worship Amen-Ra everyday. Most of these Egyptian cats don't, they just believe in the history. All Ray did was leave the church and take it with him to another new level, he was talkin like he was in church that day and I was there were you?
@DEZZLELUV I didn't need to hear that Church sermon he gave, Saaneter said Ray said he wanted to challenge Dr Wes on the topic and he came up EMPTY! HE GOT SPANKED AND HE KNOWS IT!!! I don't respect when a man say one thing then say another! He got caught giving a lecture as though Muhammad pbuh existed!
It was a lame attempt...to pull off an intellectual masturbation...you can't be serious brotha...not one image of Muhammad exists..at least the Christians gave you an image of their bogus Jesus....You fools have to realize that we are becoming aware of all your fraudulent attempts to keep pushing these bogus religious doctrines....Get back to African thought....I can sum all of Dr. Wesly's jargon to Black sheep and White sheep quoted by Wesly from the Koran....which is weak......
@DEZZLELUV LOL excuse me for laughing but, the funny thing is THERE ARE MILLIONS OF OUR PEOPLE WE HAVE NEVER SEEN BUT THEY EXISTED! Just because you don't see a picture of him don't mean he never existed. He has family direct descendants that exist and they are DARK VERY DARK! so don't try and kick that to me.
@DEZZLELUV what's funny is, Ray Haggins said Muhammad didn't exist, then he is giving a lecture as though Muhammad did exist, now let me ask you how funny is that? There are hundreds of Artifacts that man existed. Islam is not a religion it's a way of life! Where do you think the original Arabs came from? Mars? THEY CAME FROM AFRICA! you got the nerve to call someone a fool?
@DEZZLELUV It's funny how Ray with 5 degrees HAD NOTHING FOR DR WESLEY! He had nothing, oh he really sounded crazy when he said "DR CLARKE TOLD ME IN A DREAM", yeah sound like he was in church I WAS THERE! If Muhammad didn't exist Dr Ray should of had info on it, he had NONE! You see, there are people that have Pictures AND THEY DON'T EXIST just like you said about the Christians.
There is no doubt rahim4411 this police agent (ray haggins) could not refute the truth of Al Islaam and I can't believe that he pulled a christian tactic on stage of claiming to receive a vision from one of our dear scholars.
@saanetershuffle LOL you almost made me spit out my grape fruit ruby juice lol hahahah YOu should of seen the muslims in the back row we were laughing when he said " I had a dream Dr. Clarke told me........" I was like what in the river crickets is going on , the muslim sista bust out laughing. lol You could here us laughing in the back. Muslim brother father came with me he is an afrocentric person, he is into Kemet he told me he has found a new respect for Islam. so that did do some good!
Ray Hagins doesn't even know nothing about Kemet neither, everything he says about Kemet, is just a mimick of what he heard from Ashra Kwesi, I knew he was phony when I first heard him, he is not even qualified to speak on Kemet neither.
@raidio1 TRUE THAT I AGREE 100% I was going to ask Ray do he pray on his knees on his face like the Egyptians did to Amun-Ra more than five times a day . He don't look like he does much of that, nor does he practice anything from Kemet. Crazy! All he did was take the Church to Kemet!
none of these religion are working there are more killing in religion than heeling..but the only people being hurt in all this is the africans that started this religion in the fist place....black ppl need to wake up and take stand....we dont need there religion all we need is us to stand together ,, god is in us!! christianity and islam need us to participate in there way of thinking....us blks in the USA are the saviors of the world...once we wake up the kingdom of god(patah) will be on earth!
mrwillamjames1611 2 months ago
@mrwillamjames1611 Religion? First off Islam is not a religion, it's A WAY OF LIFE!
rahim4411 2 months ago
@mrwillamjames161 killings are not about religion it's about greed and hate and power! You people try to sound so, so called black yet use the Caucasian man's ideas to shape your individual theories it's pathetic! Why on earth are you calling yourself BLACK in the first place! In Alkebulan we didn't called ourselves black people. You don't see Islam doing nothing BECAUASE YOU'RE NOT PAYING ATTENTION! You're so caught up in a mirage of black activism you can't see!
rahim4411 2 months ago
@mrwillamjames1611 Us blacks in the USA? speak for yourself, I get far more done as a Muslim than that worn our saying BLACK POWER crap spewed all over this unconcious community. Did you mention Ptah? So do you make prayer on your face every day firve times a day to Ptah? Amun? Ra? Ausar? First off yall don't even practice what yall preach and second KEMET IS GONE! Islam was alway there and still here. If Kemet was so powerful how did they fall?
rahim4411 2 months ago
@mrwillamjames1611 for the fact of the matter Islam is changing people's lives you just got your eyes shut. Plus there are 1.8 billion muslims that can attest to this and counting. The Qur'an said this would happen and it's happening, what do you call something someone predicts and thing it is manifested?
rahim4411 2 months ago
@mrwillamjames1611 that BLACK POWER CRAP ran out with Angela Davis and she's married to a Caucasian man!
rahim4411 2 months ago
islam is a copy of ma'at... everything islam stands for ma'at offers the same.... yes islam is a religion...god(patah) has no religion .. us humans made up religion to be one with god in there own way copying from the older spiritualitys... now islam is AD and our spirituality go back thousands of years.yes islam is an african religion before the arab invasion.... once the arab invaded they took over the religion and now was are so call trying to take it back when we need to take africa anyway
mrwillamjames1611 2 months ago
u need to get over being swindled out your $20. Saaneter is the Don King of black consciousness and yall love to be entertained.
novarblkrj 3 months ago
@novarblkrj LOL I definitely wasn't worried about the $20 dollars I went there for 2 things, 1. to talk to Saneeter about his nonsense, 2. to see Ray not have any info. I told people Ray knows absolutely nothing about Islam !!! I got to see how stupid Saneeter really is along with Tahuti at their own Egyptian Adept brother Ray lol I just laugh they can't even get along, and I am still laughing till this day lol lmao
rahim4411 3 months ago
What happened there was discusting. What do you expect Ray Hagins to do? You think a black show throw down is helping any of us. NO! Yes Ray Hagins used to work from law enforcement. That is why if you take the time to listen, he's giving you information within the system to prevent and avoid. Instead, these clowns want to ridicule him. No wonder we can't rise as a people.
lilcoco770007 5 months ago
so how did they look like turks not like africans get back?
MrCarbonbase 5 months ago
he was a lowly arab so who cares there u go jockin the white man religion
MrCarbonbase 5 months ago
@MrCarbonbase When will you guys stay on topic. Don't get mad at me, even Ray haggins own Kemet brothers yelled at him, Saneter and Tahuti yelled at him I was there, so why get mad at me? LOL
You have no knowledge on the arab nation from up out of africa, I would love to debate you in public and see if you would say that nonsense in front of a crowd and I will embarrass you after!
rahim4411 5 months ago
It wasn't about ancestors, it was about Ray coming and providing info that he never had. I kept telling people that man knows nothing about Islam, absolutely nothing! And He proved me right! NoReligion was you there at the debate or dialouge whatever they wanna call it?
rahim4411 5 months ago
@rahim4411
what was yall watching dr. westley was saying some of the things dr ray was telling us... that muhammad came went into kemet and saw the ppl under the spirituality of ma'at and went back to northeast africa and tought the same spirituality so islam is a copy of the spirituality of kemet(egypt) so if muhummad did excist he went into kemet and adept there spirituality which they got it from nubia and they got if from ethiopia... so if ethiopia was here befor all the others...
mrwillamjames1611 2 months ago
@mrwillamjames1611 First of Dr Ray don't know what the heck he is talking about, how can Muhammad pbuh not exist yet he entered Kemet? LOL what are you talking about? Dr. Wesley played the film where Ray contradicted himself, a man can go into another land if he DON'T EXIST! Plus MUHAMMAD PBUH NEVER ENTERED KEMET! HE ONLY LEFT MECCA THREE TIMES!
rahim4411 2 months ago
@mrwillamjames1611 How can Islam be a copy of Kemet? I am so sick and tired of you people saying that it's pathetic. Islam has 5 Pillars and 6 articles of faith, does Kemet have that? Ma'at is Not Islam, are you on drugs? The first spiritual people on this planet are from africa and prayers, balance etc came from our first parents and the children spreaded out! you do know what COPY MEANS RIGHT? Islam isn't a copy of Kemetian teachings, you better go study.
rahim4411 2 months ago
@mrwillamjames1611 You're not knowledgaeble, Muhammad pbuh already had Islam before he sent some of his Sahabahs to Abyssinia or Kemet. So what are you talking about? Again MUHAMMAD NEVER LEFT TO GO TO KEMET NOT ONCE! AGAIN HE HAD QUR'ANIC SCRIPTURES COMING ALREADY IN THE MONTH OF RAMADHAN and the Kemetians were already gone, he saw the acutual COPTS not Kementians of old they were already gone and dead! SMH Yall better go learn your history correctly.
rahim4411 2 months ago
@mrwillamjames1611 The kemetians were gone by the second invasion of the Roman Empire, first the Persians, and that was BCE, Muhammad pbuh was born 571, 7 th century AD! So what are you talking about? The Egyptians were already now Christian Copts! Muhammad dark AFrican Arabs went to over throw the Caucasian Byzatines and told his people "PROTETCT THE EGYPTIAN COPTS THEY ARE FAMILY" you know why because all those people from Kush were related so there was no stealing! SMH
rahim4411 2 months ago
You black muslims/christians kill me...you all are so fascinated with whie folks/arabs that you will put them before our ancestors!! You niggas make me sick!!!
noreligion85 5 months ago
@noreligion85 You need to just shut up, you aren't I bet practicing anything our ancestors did you are all talk and no action. and you got the galls to still use the "N" word in 2011? Who is going to listen to you and how you talk? SMH.
rahim4411 5 months ago
It is sad to see our people so messed up mentally.. that why we dont grow as a people becasue they use us against each other... just plan stupid... if dr. wesley is so sharp why he never try to debate the late Dr. Clark... I am sure the Dr. Hagin is not as sharp as the late Dr. Clark.. But he is trying to open our eyes in a postive manner. I love Dr. Hagins and I have found self.. Because , all said and done it all about God the creator of all..
sonyak40 7 months ago
Dr. Haggins should of just said that he has his own personal b eliefs about the prophet Muhammed saw, but he cannot prove it...and went home. That was a waisteof time for all of our people that showed up to hear the truth, he new he could not show and prove anything, and tried to hide that fact by saying he came for Unity, and what is truth, and whos clarity speach. Get the f$%% outta here, the people were hungry he should of fead his people, knowledge truth, and understanding. Peace
mia919100 9 months ago
@mia919100 Salaam. How can Dr. Ray feed food knowledged on Muhammad saws when he didn't have it in the first place? I told people he knew nothing about Islam. Soon as a person say Muhammad saws started Islam immediately I know they don't know what they are talking about. As soon as they say he didn't exist I know they don't know what they are talking about. He has jumped from Christianity to the Cult or Ausar/Ra and he don't even practice the rituals. They try and live off of something dats dead
rahim4411 9 months ago
@mia919100 His personal beliefs? LOL When it comes to Muhammad saws one has to bring history, Qur'an etc, as Dr. Wesley did and chewed him out. That's why I went for 2 reasons, 1. To bare witness myself Dr. Ray didn't know anything and I didn't want no one telling me what went down. 2. To approach Saaneter about what he said to me in my email face to face. I will not support Saaneter on anything.
rahim4411 9 months ago
$20 dollars to get in and Dr. Haggins said nothin to back his claims about the prophet Muhammed saw and Islam...I could feel a refund coming my way if I went, I would of been heated ock. Heated.
mia919100 9 months ago
@mia919100 LOL Trust me it was well worth it, didn't you hear me laughing in the background at that clown Saaneter? Saaneter was so defeated he wanted to switch sides you should of seen the rest of how upset he got, maybe I should put that up also lol Tahuti couldn't do it, and Dr. Ray couldn't do it. 5 degrees Ray has and couldn't come up with one ioda on Muhammad saws! I felt good they got crushed because they need to stop lying to people!
rahim4411 9 months ago
@mia919100 The elder I went with said now he has a new respect for Islam because he knows about it a little more. When Dr. Ray started talking gibberish I told my elder he has nothing as I said. Then he went into this church thing which he is suppose to be out of church, telling us Dr. Clarke told him who is in his grave this and that. LOL So it wasn't a waste of time I enjoyed it and got to meet some young people that didn't like how Saaneter handled the whole thing.
rahim4411 9 months ago
Man we need to get over our difference and live. Ray did the right thing why does he need to debate this is why we see no progress. Still trying to feed our egos'. We are all one connecte to the creative mind so lets walk to gether and stop shaming our selves ovwer who one a lecture.
75hoya 10 months ago
@75hoya Peace. what you said was nice, but maybe you need to tell that to Ray. He is the one that went to the debate to debate or dialogue with Dr Wesley. He is the one that said Dr Wes was wrong in his insertion that Islam came from Africans. So he was challenged this is what they do amongst scholars. HE HAD NO INFO ON WHAT HE WAS SUPPOSE TO DISCUSS! That's Ray's fault. He made a claim he should of stuck to it.
rahim4411 10 months ago
@rahim4411 my family and I were at this debate, in my opinion Dr. Hagins was not prepared to take on Dr. Wesley Muhammad . At the end of Wesley Muhammad's dialogue Wesley presented a clip of Dr. Hagins speaking on Islam which in my opinion won Wesley the debate. Wesley Muhammad is one of the best debaters I have ever seen he is always prepared and knows his opponents style and can go with the flow should his opponent go off on topic
soulangel835a 9 months ago
@soulangel835a PEACE I concur on your conclusion! 100% Dr. Wes tore a new whole in Tahuti the worse, that was the best debate I have seen and Now the wrong Tahuti has told on Qur'an etc I am going to clean them up on U Tube. I wish I could of met you at the dialogue, because they swear it was not a debate so I will use dialogue, either way Ray H didn't support his own whims! Ray claims this and that about Islam but had not one ioda of evidence.
rahim4411 9 months ago
@soulangel835a Big as his mouth was Saaneter told us that Ray had time to prepare and if Ray H said Muhammad pbuh didn't exist why was he talking about Muhammad pbuh as THOUGH HE DID EXIST? I don't trust any of them and I don't care what any of them say, I am not supporting a bunch of lying DVD selling street vendor talking about saving the world ghetto scholars! Saaneter and Ray H share the same Kemetic teachings yet they were apart that night.
rahim4411 9 months ago
@soulangel835a It baffled me how Saaneter grabbed the mic 4 times and dissed Ray H, his elder and I was there to step to Saaneter because of something he said to me while on U Tube and I told him personally "I NEED TO TALK TO YOU AFTER THIS EVENT", I was not smiling and was going to tell him call me an Arab N**** to my face and I had muslim brothers with me so I wasn't worried. I am sick of these dudes lying to our people and they don't even practice Kemetic teachings!
rahim4411 9 months ago
@soulangel835a I will not support Saaneter, Tahuti, Ray H, Seti none of them, let them support one another. They think everyone should listen to them but they don't listen to others when the facts are presented. It's ridiculous. After that I waited for Saaneter outside but I met 2 young people that came and they were disappointed, and I gave them assurance to keep studying just watch who you study under. I am glad I went though I saw it in the flesh.
rahim4411 9 months ago
@soulangel835a I got the see Saaneter and his buffoonery in action and got it on my own tape! Saaneter was so worried about people looking at him when people were looking at Ray H like he was crazy and wasn't even thinking about Saaneter or Tahuti. Clowns at best. I will never go to another one of those nor my people, they can't teach us nothing anyway. But I am glad I got the experience.
rahim4411 9 months ago
@soulangel835a If Saaneter had and issue with Dr. Ray he should of went behind closed doors to talk to him not try to embarrass him in public view that was a disgrace.
rahim4411 9 months ago
Nationally , Status, Pedigree-Blood Line is the point. All else is bombast.
Please be advised that in a world dominated by insanity the sane people will be preceived insane.
firefox8192 1 year ago
I have nothing against a debate...as long as it is kept within the parameters of such, when those men debated(referring to Dr.Clarke and his constituents) there was a level of respect for one another, now people seem to be depriving the process...It's more glitz and glamour and gross lack of respect for speakers even if they are speaking about so-called philosophy...whose leaders allegiance seems to be with the "masons" more than the people of islam...The youngest of the monotheistic sect...plz
Pharoahgenesis 1 year ago
@Pharoahgenesis ok I agree on the respect thing, the Muslims, christians and everyone gave him respect, even Dr. Wes said he was a good noble man at the debate, but it was Saaneter and Tahuti of the Cult of Ra that suppose to believe in Kemetic teachings the same as Ray disrespecting Ray not anyone else. We were disappointed that he came with not one single ioda of History on Islam as he proclaimed he was. My motto is don't say something if you can't back it up!
rahim4411 1 year ago
@Pharoahgenesis You got SaraSutenSeti exposing Ray Haggins and they are suppose to be of the same Amen-Ra clut! That's not others dissing Ray that's his own Kemetic people lol hahah lol
rahim4411 1 year ago
@blackaliens First off Islam is about nature and Peace. Kemet is not the first nation in Africa to exist. There were other nations way before Kemet the place. So you mean to tell me Kemetic cult is not a MAN'S religion? Who wrote the Metu Neters? Who ruled in each dynasty? again Didn't the Pharoahs have dreams and interpret them to the people as righteousness? What is the meaning of Islam black and when did Islam start? Answer those for me!
rahim4411 1 year ago
THIS IS EASY: ONE LOVE TO RAY HAGGINS !!!- LETS GO now WE already know jesus and all the biblical prophets are mythological/made-up stories,with that being said, if mohhammad spoke about jesus&other prophets mentioned in the bible,then we know that its all bullshit, at that time ERA psuedapigrapha writtings was common,every prophet is the same,they saw a angel,then they became authors of books,we must stop thinkin paperback information is the way to prove things to be true,thats misleading100%
mrblackaliens 1 year ago
@mrblackaliens First off Muhammad pbuh didn't use the name Jesus because that name didn't exist! Isa ibn Maryum, do you know what means? Are you well studied in islam? I know you're not! Kemet were the BIGGEST MYTH TELLERS! so you know the Qur'an? Oh so I guess you didn't study Kemet well enough to know they had Dreams and Visions as they claimed also like Akhnaten and others. So I guess their myths are better than everyone else myths? Man please!
rahim4411 1 year ago
@rahim4411 whoa slow down cowboy., now i know the term jesus wasnt used,but i also know biblical literature was used,and i also know abraham is the father of all these religions and i mean his name not him as being a real person,,slow down cow boy,ancient kemet/africa, created these myths,but they right to the degree of what it symbolized,so therefore it was true wisdom,translated into human nature, but as far as islam it still is a mans religion inspired by the times.guess you didnt study life
mrblackaliens 1 year ago
This is sad. Even in learning the truth we can not come together. Can't wait to tear each other down. Sad that we still feed into the trap of slaying each other mentally, physically, spiritually and emotionally. We are all in the learning stage! Open up and embrace your brothers and sisters. Share the info, be kind to each other, learn to love and stop destroying one another. Geez!
dacianey3 1 year ago
People are not FEELING the DEBATE because it's not neutral. The guy on the mic who should be in the role of the TIME KEEPER is yelling "Dr. Wes is a bad man". What is he Dr. Wes's cheer leader? I would have sued for my MF $ back. This type of event plant the seeds to a civil war amongst Black people.
LER77 1 year ago
@LER77 Peace the guy on the mic is Saaneter, I mean it was obvious Ray H didn't have anything. Saaneter I don't know I am not supporting him anymore. He claims he want this so called BLACK UNITY but at the same token if you don't believe in what he believes he becomes an enemy so to me he is about DVD sells and not on the real about unity. Anything he throws I am not showing up that was my first and last, it was terrible how it ended.
rahim4411 1 year ago
@rahim4411 I don't understand why you foolish black sheep keep looking at this staged muslim gauntlet to ambush Dr. Hagins as proof of anything...the basis of Dr. Hagins teaching supersede the basis of Islam...the time constraint cannot be compared...So quit talking about this ambush like it's some damned rappers battling over beats...Dr. Wesley with all his so called proofs still just an not an argument worth engaging...So why even bring info about something that irrelevant?
Pharoahgenesis 1 year ago
@Pharoahgenesis Name calling huh? First off It was Ray H that claimed Dr.Wes was wrong! He got there and couldn't prove it! Was you there? The man said Muhammad pbuh didn't exist and Islam started with Muhammad and Ray H is DIFFENTLY Wrong! When someone with knowledge stepped up to challenge him, RAY HIM SELF SAID " I have nothing to bring Dr Wes got it" ETC! So please don't come here with your johnny be late statements! I knew Ray didn't have nothing, he is not well studied in Islam! FACT!
rahim4411 1 year ago
@Pharoahgenesis Again Ray don't know what he is talking about Islam was in existance before the so called Jews, why didn't he present that at the dialogue or debate? HE WOULD OF LOOKED LIKE A FOOL! He said himself he learned from Dr. Wes, I was there and have the full tape! Debates are healthy yall kill me with this "LIKE IT'S A RAP BATTLE" Cornel West Debated John H. Clarke, other scholars debate so what is your problem?
rahim4411 1 year ago
@Pharoahgenesis Ray Haggins OWN Kemetic people got on him, I wasn't mad I just laughed because I knew Ray didn't have any proof. He spent 20 years in the church and he didn't know about Islam then and he sure the hell doesn't now! Ray knows nothing about the Qu'ran nor Islam Period!
rahim4411 1 year ago
@LER77 I can't even debate with what you said, I just have to keep my mouth closed on this one because you are right.
rahim4411 1 year ago
@LER77 I am sick of Saaneter and his rerun antics of the same subject over and over again just with a different tone. He has NOI going against NOI now. I can't stay in the first grade from 6 years old to 40 then I make no progress, samem thing here he keeps talking about the same thing over and over!
rahim4411 1 year ago
@LER77 my brother you are right...the spirit in which this was done seemed as one for a ambush, invite Dr. Hagins under false pretenses, have you boy have the home field advantage with the crowd and hype man on the ones and twos. Just ridiculous. If i was Dr. Hagins, just showing that the Quran makes mention to follow jewish customs and prophets is good enough to show the doctrine is a fallacy. Damn a bean pie, Islam is no better than christianity, then to come after it as well, complete fallacy
Pharoahgenesis 1 year ago
When you really think of it...If the Koran backs up bogus characters in the bible and the bible is suspect...?.All Wesley highlighted was a contrast between white sheep and black sheep from what I saw of this supposed debate...disguised as a lecture...Why you chocolate Arabs don't fall in line with your barbaric brethren and call for a Jihad on Hagins...So us Africans see what type of traitors you are...
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DEZZLELUV 1 year ago
@DEZZLELUV It's Qur'an, not Koran, learn how to spell. 2nD did you know the Arabic Quran was done before the actual English bible? And do you know The Qur'an don't support things like Jesus was god and he is the son of Allah, or he was killed or crucified on a cross? Do you know whot he Ad and Thamud People were? There are things in the Qur'an that don't support the Bible nor the Bible have in it. So what are you talking about? You're making yourself look foolish!
rahim4411 1 year ago
@rahim4411 I can care less to spell it correctly... the K stands for the kaka that is abound in the made up text of which your illiterate prophet supposedly memorized..Give me a break.Show me the proof that that book of fary tales predated the fabricated book it references...better yet prove that the Father of your religion ever existed...you can't...you chocolate arabs are as foolish as the so called iliterate who supposedly memorized the book of fables and lies...give me a break...
DEZZLELUV 1 year ago
@DEZZLELUV If the Qur'an is a book of fables then you tell me how the embryonic stages in it is fake. Kemet didn't put in writings of the embryonic stages. Now you tell me how a man in the desert at that time new that? lol You're a fable.
Kemet is long gone since the Persians invaded it and yall wanna blame that on the Muslims get outta here with that.
rahim4411 1 year ago
@rahim4411 That's the problem right there..you chocolate Arabs condone those savages desecrating holy sites...you have been brainwashed to accept their made up doctrine and peddling that garbage like its genuine..no different than your daddy Christians who gave you the premise for that Book of fables.Your cave dwelling forefathers were crawling on all fours when the cosmos was being mapped and put in stone..Save that embryonic bullsh#t for the illiterates..one false doctrine for another.please!
DEZZLELUV 1 year ago
@DEZZLELUV Muhammad pbuh is not the father of any of us but he is last messenger, seal of the Prophets. There are hundreds of artifacts on Muhammad as a matter of fact look up my video and I show some of them. He has a tomb, his daddy has a grave and his momma has one too so ummmmmm proof? LOL you people kill me GO STUDY BECAUSE I WOULD BLAST YOU IN A DEBATE IN THE REAL WORLD!
rahim4411 1 year ago
@rahim4411 There is no debate with an anti-African...anti-Black mindset....This is the beginning of the push back brother...all those doctrines got to go...cleansing first got to start in house no doubt...
DEZZLELUV 1 year ago
@DEZZLELUV Did you know Islam was on the map thousands of years before The Son of Mary even came into existance? Why attack Haggins? Haggins put out something against Islam and when it was his chance to prove it wrong he couldn't and he got proven wrong. So ummm why attack him? He already made himself look foolish, and his own Kemetian people attacked him, the muslims don't need to. Africans? lol You sound stupid!
rahim4411 1 year ago
@rahim4411 ..The fact that you speak of the Son Of mary tells me your as bastadized in philosophy as you are in your religious beliefs...Again what ever trap you had set for Haggins didn't work..your set up was bogus..and as Haggins said intelectual masterbation was not in his agenda...but you felt compelled to express your dissatisfaction..but not all of us fall for your bogus tactics...Hagins is the real deal no doubt...somethnig you chocolate arabs will have to realize...
DEZZLELUV 1 year ago
@DEZZLELUV LOL hahahaha lmao lol You got me in tears, TRAP RAY? lol hahahah
Ray trapped himself. He claimed he would rock Dr. Wesley with info on Islam and HE FOILED !!! LOL That man was in the church for 20 years bonified! He knows nothing about Islam. You think Ima trust a dude that claims at a debate "DR CLARKE TOLD ME IN A DREAM" I was there when he said that we the Muslims and non muslims started laughing. LOL Ray is a joke and a dam agent!
rahim4411 1 year ago
@rahim4411 What is it about a metaphor you don't understand.since you know his background in the church of which he has abandoned in actual practice.you just boasted about a ring of a made up man who's face cannot be seen or even drawn on a canvas for the risk of death to even contemplate doing so.So I suppose you would have to envision Muhammad in a DREAM right?.Come on get over it.Brother you gets no respect..I suggest you start giving some out if you require any in return.Respect Ray Hagins
DEZZLELUV 1 year ago
@DEZZLELUV Dr Wesley put a spanking on Ray. First of all I aint try to set him up, his own beloeved Kemetic family BLASTED HIM! I was disappointed that he claimed all that crap and couldn't provide not one piece of evidence yet Dr Wes did and kilt him in the debate or dialogue whatever you wanna call it the man came up short.
rahim4411 1 year ago
@rahim4411 All I took away from Wesley's garbage is White Sheep and Black Sheep..vague enough to flip a coin on...Come on man...A ring ...a letter That's it!!..Oh I forgot, you can't even see the illiterates face its forbidden..what sickness says that's should be allowed for a prophet...a holy man of God supposedly...I say Bullsh*t!...you got to be either dumb or brainwashed to accept that hogwash..Peace Be Upon Him my #ss...look at the savagery in his wake...You chocolate Arabs are twisted
DEZZLELUV 1 year ago
@DEZZLELUV You sound real crazy lol Africans? which ones, Libyans, Chadian, Ghana? Somalia? Ethiopia? Nigeria? First of all so called Africans sold themselves out when they sold each other to the Caucasians to bring over here in slavery, yeah you wanna talk about that? You got the nerve to talk about traitors, you need to be quiet! Hutu's can't stand the Tusi and they both look alike from the same Aboriginal stock!
rahim4411 1 year ago
@rahim4411 yes indeed. the devilishment started with black skin. just like divinity started with black skin. Once we are able to get back to the root of the root and find that black is the core of all, we can untangle the knots of black experience. we know that black men and women were their most successful on this planet under the kemetian life system. none other came close. with that said, most of out focus should logically be on reclaiming and retaining the essence of that success.
hoodprophet 1 year ago
@hoodprophet Peace, well written, for me, I don't use the word black, I am African descent, the Aboriginal man, the original man. Now I understand your point, but as far as I know Kemet, no one knows all of the MYSTERY system. For me I am successful under Islam since 1990, without the Kemet system. I have seen those claim Kemet and are not practicing it. But you keep doing you and do your kemet thing, Ima stay Muslim, Hotep!!!
rahim4411 1 year ago
@rahim4411 if you did your reserach you would know the belgium nfluence and instigation of the conflict..where as collaborating Tutsi's help in the opressing of the majority Hutu..and centuries of hate rage was manipulated in a wicked game...Just as you chocolate Arabs are attempting to perpetrate...Yeah you go ahead and laugh at the one unifyingterm that could illiminate these differences...you an Arab after all..but. let me see you go to Saudi Arabia and claim it and see how you get treated..
DEZZLELUV 1 year ago
@DEZZLELUV No if you did your research you would know Islam predates Muhammad pbuh Oh we CHOCOLATE ARABS RIGHT? Well we do run Arabia proof a chocolate Arab Imam is running Masjid Al Haram and there are many others. Now you artifical none practicing Kemetic idiots let me see you go and claim Egpyt and take Asrah Qwasi with you and see what happens :-)
rahim4411 1 year ago
LOL DR CLARK IN A DREAM
NYDEMOLITIONFANS 1 year ago
@NYDEMOLITIONFANS Yo that's the funny part. when he said that, I looked at my other muslim brothers and we bust out laughing. He went into his old Christian habit. That was the most idiotic thing Ray could of done, I don't trust dude no far as I can spit. He claimed Muhammad didn't exist he had his stage to prove it and he didn't. there are hundreds of artifacts of Muhammad he just don't wanna recognize it, I have nothing to hold with dude.
rahim4411 1 year ago
@NYDEMOLITIONFANS Ray suppose to be of the Ausar cult of Kemet and he don't practice anything of Kemet just like a lot of these so called Kemetians out here. Ask them what prayers they do and how do they say them in Demotic and they can't tell you. All Ray did was transfer his Christianity over to the Ausar cult. Aint no way you suppose to say DR CLARK TOLD ME IN A DREAM. GEt the heck outta here ! His own people was mad what that tell you?Dont get mad at me.
rahim4411 1 year ago
@NYDEMOLITIONFANS Funny thing NY a lot of these cats talking on here wasn't even there see I was that's why I was able to put up this video! Dr. Wes blew him outta the water, even Saaneter a Kemetian said it, I didn't say it, Saaneter said it and dudes wanna get mad at me. For what cause I put up the video and he got exposed? LOL DEAL WITH IT. KEMET IS OVER BEEN GONE~!
rahim4411 1 year ago
I didn't get that from Phil, I've been aware of that since 1994. I saw the Wes and Phil deal. This is not my opinion. I study also. Like the minister is BOULE. I was in the craft once upon apart of time. For us to defend Islam with such force is no different for T.D. Snake defending Christianity. Most of all, I love you brothers and sister for questing higher knowledge of self. Rather than petty worldly ways.. We are on our way..Hotep
wam9tube 1 year ago
@wam9tube Just like Hotep Means Peace, Salaam means Peace, if you look at the Kemetians, they pray the same way Muslims pray, Christians don't, listen to the langauge of Arabic with Demotic or heretic and it sounds the same. Brothers in Tuuba Africa can translate the Metu Neter, original it was Arabs who translated the Hieroglyphs not that Caucasain character they claim, so Islam is true bro if you want to compare the two.
rahim4411 1 year ago
Since a shorty, Something has always drawn me to history of my people. I find a lot of what he say to be true. Before I became aware of brother like him and others, I recognized the western creation of these 3 religions. They are all built off the stolen knowledge of the nile valley, indus cush, civilization. I guess Phil finds more truth the higher he fly. We as a people need to realize that these monsters (Islam, Christianity, Judasim, etc. has broken our home..
wam9tube 1 year ago
@wam9tube What you must understand if you studied that Islam and the definition has been here since the first man, not the same word but the definition which means submission to the Creator! Islam and Muslims also come up out of Kush if you do your correct studying bro, they went into North Africa/Arabia in Yemen. A lot of our people went separate ways, just like the Zulus they don't practice Nile Valley they are direct where creation started.
rahim4411 1 year ago
I would like to see these brother have a public debate with Brother Phil Valentine on the subject of islam. Christianity, Judaism, Islam is the 3 headed monster created by the vatican. . . . . . Islam rape and rob my mother also..No different than the Roman christ of the Khzarian jew. . . .
wam9tube 1 year ago
@wam9tube That's your OPINION, NOT A FACT! You must don't know that Dr. Wes put out a challenge already to Phil V, did you know that? GUESS WHAT HE DIDN'T SHOW UP! Phil V saying Islam started by the Vatican is a cartoonic idiotic lie! If you go and look at Dr. Wes work, he shows how Phil with his foolish rhetoric is lying. Phil don't wanna debate all he wanna do is make money, then try and charge $79 dollas for a book? WE ARE IN A RECESSION!
rahim4411 1 year ago
@wam9tube I bought Dr. Wes book and it gave more info that said Phils book. Phil V don't know what he is, I would question everything he says.
rahim4411 1 year ago
@rahim4411...I believe inmaking a point he is free to use examples...driving the point to the audience requires a littel mental participation...so What sthe problem...it stil doesn't chaneg the fact the Jesus didn't exist nor did Muhhammad...Dr. Ray hagins has distanced himself from his indoctrination...you chocolate arabs need to wake up as well..get back to your African consciousness..
DEZZLELUV 1 year ago
@DEZZLELUV what you just said makes no sense, the only thing I understood from you said was Muhammad pbuh don't exist. PROVE IT! Ray Haggins got busted by giving a freaking lecture as though Muhammd did exist, why would he do that? All Ray has to do is go to Muhammad's tomb, his mother and father's tomb, go see the artifacts of Muhammad! there are hundreds!
rahim4411 1 year ago
@rahim4411 Then Ray got the nerve to be down with some Police organization that wanna bring our sista Asata back here to be tried? You talk about that Africa? Hell some of the Africans right now who are leaders are treating the African people like crap what do you tend to do about it? don't tell me go to Africa and fix it since you wanna be so Africanistic!
rahim4411 1 year ago
@DEZZLELUV Ray H, believes in Ausar, Auset and Heru, these clay, picture momuments DON'T EXIST AS REAL PEOPLE! Ausar doesn't even come until the 5th dynasty not before, if he does PROVE IT! There is not one single mummy found of these three figures. They were the figments of the imagination of the Egyptians, they didn't exist yet have pics and models as though they did. So just because you have a pic of someone don't mean they exist!
rahim4411 1 year ago
@DEZZLELUV Ray haggins don't even practice Egyptian culture, I know for a fact he doesn't bend down and put his head to the ground and worship Amen-Ra everyday. Most of these Egyptian cats don't, they just believe in the history. All Ray did was leave the church and take it with him to another new level, he was talkin like he was in church that day and I was there were you?
rahim4411 1 year ago
@DEZZLELUV I didn't need to hear that Church sermon he gave, Saaneter said Ray said he wanted to challenge Dr Wes on the topic and he came up EMPTY! HE GOT SPANKED AND HE KNOWS IT!!! I don't respect when a man say one thing then say another! He got caught giving a lecture as though Muhammad pbuh existed!
rahim4411 1 year ago
It was a lame attempt...to pull off an intellectual masturbation...you can't be serious brotha...not one image of Muhammad exists..at least the Christians gave you an image of their bogus Jesus....You fools have to realize that we are becoming aware of all your fraudulent attempts to keep pushing these bogus religious doctrines....Get back to African thought....I can sum all of Dr. Wesly's jargon to Black sheep and White sheep quoted by Wesly from the Koran....which is weak......
DEZZLELUV 1 year ago
@DEZZLELUV LOL excuse me for laughing but, the funny thing is THERE ARE MILLIONS OF OUR PEOPLE WE HAVE NEVER SEEN BUT THEY EXISTED! Just because you don't see a picture of him don't mean he never existed. He has family direct descendants that exist and they are DARK VERY DARK! so don't try and kick that to me.
rahim4411 1 year ago
@DEZZLELUV what's funny is, Ray Haggins said Muhammad didn't exist, then he is giving a lecture as though Muhammad did exist, now let me ask you how funny is that? There are hundreds of Artifacts that man existed. Islam is not a religion it's a way of life! Where do you think the original Arabs came from? Mars? THEY CAME FROM AFRICA! you got the nerve to call someone a fool?
rahim4411 1 year ago
@DEZZLELUV It's funny how Ray with 5 degrees HAD NOTHING FOR DR WESLEY! He had nothing, oh he really sounded crazy when he said "DR CLARKE TOLD ME IN A DREAM", yeah sound like he was in church I WAS THERE! If Muhammad didn't exist Dr Ray should of had info on it, he had NONE! You see, there are people that have Pictures AND THEY DON'T EXIST just like you said about the Christians.
rahim4411 1 year ago
There is no doubt rahim4411 this police agent (ray haggins) could not refute the truth of Al Islaam and I can't believe that he pulled a christian tactic on stage of claiming to receive a vision from one of our dear scholars.
saanetershuffle 1 year ago
@saanetershuffle LOL you almost made me spit out my grape fruit ruby juice lol hahahah YOu should of seen the muslims in the back row we were laughing when he said " I had a dream Dr. Clarke told me........" I was like what in the river crickets is going on , the muslim sista bust out laughing. lol You could here us laughing in the back. Muslim brother father came with me he is an afrocentric person, he is into Kemet he told me he has found a new respect for Islam. so that did do some good!
rahim4411 1 year ago
one of the best books i read was mustafa el amin egypt and the islamic connection
ankh4835 1 year ago
ankh4835 send me an email where I can find this book at
saanetershuffle 1 year ago
Ray Hagins doesn't even know nothing about Kemet neither, everything he says about Kemet, is just a mimick of what he heard from Ashra Kwesi, I knew he was phony when I first heard him, he is not even qualified to speak on Kemet neither.
raidio1 1 year ago
@raidio1 TRUE THAT I AGREE 100% I was going to ask Ray do he pray on his knees on his face like the Egyptians did to Amun-Ra more than five times a day . He don't look like he does much of that, nor does he practice anything from Kemet. Crazy! All he did was take the Church to Kemet!
rahim4411 1 year ago