@hoosiergambler oh yeah, you said it. It's not like anyone can be a mother or anything. It's not like you can just have sex with any guy and have an unplanned pregnancy or anything. Oh yeah I forgot only brave women become pregnant. Woman only get pregnant when they are strong. If you're a sissy it's impossible to become a mother. Whatever, find your identity outside of your kids, for dingdong's sake, do it for your kids, since you do everything for them, right?
believe me, i understand that shit happens, rubbers break, pills are forgotten; but if people took precautions more, unplanned pregnancies would plummet.
motherhood is not for sissies just like the nfl is not for sissies... takes a very strong individual to truly be successful; or do you dispute that, as well!?!
@hoosiergambler ok, it takes a lot of responsibility, love, commitment, etc. to be a mom but all I'm saying is that one, anyone can be a mom b/c anyone is capable of having sex. Just b/c you're (not you since you said you're a man) a mom, doesn't mean you have those qualities, responsibility, commitment, love. All you did to be a mom was to have sex. AND if you had a child out of wedlock, that just shows right off that you aren't responsible, and that you aren't committed, etc.
@tuddyfruity4 "if you had a child out of wedlock, that just shows right off that you aren't responsible, and that you aren't committed, etc."
wtf!?! stop thinking inside the box. having a child out of wedlock has zero bearing with regard to responsibility! how the hell do you reach that erroneous conclusion!?!
do not let culture define success for you, realize that success is a self-defined concept.
@tuddyfruity4 "do it for your kids, since you do everything for them, right?"
pay attention; I HAVE NO KIDS. i do care about all people, though, especially defenseless children.
are we not obligated to give them a better world than this giant, war-torn landfill enslaved to the banks and the military-industrial complex!?! this is going nowhere, you will always put yourself first. poor kids.
Why do so many "mothers" whine and bitch about having kids and taking care of them when it was them, the mothers, that CHOSE to ride a penis and get pregnant?
Judas priest, that famous shrink asked a great question when he looked at his cigar, flicked it, and said, "Sheeeeet! What on earth do all these whiney women want out of life!"
it's sad that all that defines you is that you're a mom
I'm a mom, but I'm so many other things, my kids are not my life, my life is so much more, it's mostly my husband- i'm a wife before a mother, my kids have their own lives- and I don't think i'm tough just b/c i'm a mom- bull crap
@tuddyfruity4 your child didn't ask to be born, therefore you are obligated to do the best you can to provide for your child. if you are a wife first then you are NOT doing the best you can to give your child the best it can have. should've thought about that when you decided to keep your child rather than abort. the same obligation would apply to the father. and this is not some puritanical religious nut, i am an atheist that is about taking responsibility for what we do.
@hoosiergambler I"m not complaining. I've done everything for my kids and for my husband. The best thing I can do for my kids is to have a loving, healthy relationship with their father, love him and put him first. Let me guess, you're not married... and i didn't ask if you were atheist or not, but thanks for sharing, haha. Let me guess, you don't even know who the father of your child is...
@tuddyfruity4 i just didn't want anyone to get the impression that i thought that i was on some puritanical high horse! "Let me guess, you don't even know who the father of your child is... " whoa, judgmental ____, i am a man, you presume someone knocked me up!?! i love to sew my wild oats, responsibly. it is quite apparent that marriage is a broken institution less than compatible with the human condition, but i digress. the point was, i hate to see the defenseless left hanging.
@hoosiergambler ok, thanks for clarifying. what exactly does it mean to sew wild oats RESPONSIBLY? You just said you think marriage is a broken "institution".
@tuddyfruity4 ≥ half of marriages end in divorce. of the ≤ half that do not fail, we can reasonably presume that they do not fail because one or both of the spouses refuse to accept the label of divorce; therefore, continue relationships resigned to misery.
you will find only ~25% to ~33% give or take, that may experience something like it is cracked up to be.
people change; marriage is not compatible with the human exp.
@hoosiergambler where do you get your stats, that is not even true, I think you just have relationship issues. don't judge all people by the few losers you know.
@tuddyfruity4 "I think you ..." you're not thinking, you're feeling. there you go again, with your silly presumptions. i was giving stats from our sociology lecture several weeks ago. if you want some stats just go to (i can't post links). pathetic to question those numbers, they're pretty common knowledge to anyone that cares to truly learn about things as opposed to accepting myths as reality. that's the primary problem in america, gross lack of education and acceptance of myths.
@hoosiergambler i would like to know where these "numbers" are coming from, b/c I have my own "numbers" and does it really matter, even if 8 out of 10 marriages in USA end in divorce, it still wouldn't change the fact one should be married before having sex and starting a family and it wouldn't change the fact that any old idiot could have sex and have a baby and being a mother has nothing to do with courage
@tuddyfruity4 "that is not even true, I think you just have relationship issues."
you don't think, you feel. you are presumptuous. you fail to understand that some of us think for ourselves and don't just blindly do whatever we're encouraged to without first fully considering the ramifications. indeed, it is true, go to the site with statistics that i sent you in a pm. you try to argue with emotion, because of this you are failing miserably.
@hoosiergambler you are the one who is blind. how can you judge something without emotion? and just b/c you use emotion doesn't mean you aren't thinking for yourself. that is exactly what I'm talking about, people who don't consider ramifications before they do something. so if you are one of those people who do consider ramifications, then are you the person who considers them then does whatever you want anyway?
@tuddyfruity4 "I think you just have relationship issues." god, you do not know how to think! apparently you know how to feel, though. you need to get out of your sheltered world and understand that i am not alone. many younger people are arriving at similar conclusions as i. where is your evidence that this is not a personal choice based upon the facts as well as everything i (we) have witnessed in other marriages?
@tuddyfruity4 i had some tell me that sometimes you have to make it work. wtf, if one has to make it work then perhaps the contract is not the most beneficial situation for that individual, or for the family as a whole. go to school and learn about other cultures and how they group their social structures. westerners think inside the box way too much, we think our way is the only way. we define success by our assets!?! western culture is quite socially immature.
@hoosiergambler yes i may agree with you on western culture, but you are the one who should learn about other cultures. western culture is the one with the most unhappy marriages and the most divorces. Many other cultures have arranged marriages, but I can't imagine someone like you would be ok with that
@tuddyfruity4 "you are the one who should learn about other cultures ..."
i am an anthropology major, trust me, i know much of other cultures. you do realize that there are a variety of social arrangements other than arranged marriages or the western idea of 'til death do we part'!?!
@tuddyfruity4 "western culture is the one with the most unhappy marriages and the most divorces."
you concede a point, yet you still continue argue with emotion in favor of a broken institution that is apparently not the most beneficial for most people!?!
@hoosiergambler the only thing broken about western marriages is they way most people approach them. it's no wonder there are so many divorces when you have people who put more thought and effort into the huge and luxurious wedding than they do into prepping to be with someone supposedly for the rest of their lives. They come into marriages with several past horribly broken relationships, poor choices that have led them to lots of suffering, etc.
@tuddyfruity4 i am so sick of this, the argument has now become a quarrel. i have to finish my homework and go to class now. you do not argue with reason or facts, just simple emotion. you can reply if you want, but it would be pointless as i will never receive any messages alerting me of your reply because you can now consider yourself BLOCKED!
@hoosiergambler that's fine, block me, i'm not going to cry over, you are the one who seems to get emotional about it. I thought we were having a simple discussion, but I guess if someone thinks differently than you, it's easier to just block them than to actually stretch your mind around what they are saying, think outside your factory college little box, man. Hope the real world doesn't bite you in the ass one day.
@hoosiergambler wow, how responsible of you. 20 years max. how brave and manly of you. I would like "for life" long haul not 20 years max, you're a joke, thank goodness that child was never born.
@tuddyfruity4 barring physical/mental handicaps, after twenty years they're full grown adults. time to let them be adults. the social arrangement is no longer necessary. it should continue only if it is what both individual feel will be the most beneficial for them. statistics strongly suggest that that is a consideration all couples should ponder. i am sorry, no joke. you really wanna go there? you want to start referring to these ideas as jokes!?! that is behavior best left@playground.
@hoosiergambler sounds like too many sociology classes and less real life experience for you. you are the one to needs to grow up and stop "spreading your seed" around the whorish sperm toilets. someone who has a child without having a means, like finances, housing, a stable marriage, is immature.
how overtly sexist of you. you probably think that sex and gender mean the exact same thing. your lack of education combined with your propensity to argue with emotion rather than facts is the only "joke" to be found on here.
@hoosiergambler wow, you are sadly mistaken if you think that the topic of sex should lack emotion. Where you go to school? A factory, no doubt. It's ok, let them brainwash you into what they want, you're half way there. I am highly educated and i'm in the real world now and I would love to be there once you enter the real world and realize you just wasted 4 years and $50,000 of your life b/c you're not getting much for it
@hoosiergambler oh, i thought a emotionless robot would be happy for a miscarriage, i guess i misjudged you. why should you care, you are the one going around "spreading your seed", what if one of those women never told you about getting pregnant from you?
@hoosiergambler Responsibility? Honey, I take all the responsibilities for my family not just because I am responsible but b/c I love them and b/c I want to take care of them. I wanted my kids before they were conceived, I wanted them when I was pregnant and many years later I still want them and always will. I would have never even thought about aborting them. And I don't keep them b/c "it's the right thing to do", I keep them b/c I love them and I love their father who is my husband.
poor kids with a selfish mom that put's herself before her kids who never asked to be brought into the world.
but i can't criticize you too harshly, i don't want kids because that would confine my freedom too much with regard to my personal preferences; which is why i take precautions to see to it that i don't bring children into a world that fails to provide equitable distribution of resources.
:13 No lady, my cock is hard... wanna fuck?
MrMrSouthphilly 3 months ago
"motherhood is not for sissies."
hoosiergambler 4 months ago
@hoosiergambler oh yeah, you said it. It's not like anyone can be a mother or anything. It's not like you can just have sex with any guy and have an unplanned pregnancy or anything. Oh yeah I forgot only brave women become pregnant. Woman only get pregnant when they are strong. If you're a sissy it's impossible to become a mother. Whatever, find your identity outside of your kids, for dingdong's sake, do it for your kids, since you do everything for them, right?
tuddyfruity4 4 months ago
@tuddyfruity4 fukn take precautions!!!
EPIC FACE PALM
believe me, i understand that shit happens, rubbers break, pills are forgotten; but if people took precautions more, unplanned pregnancies would plummet.
motherhood is not for sissies just like the nfl is not for sissies... takes a very strong individual to truly be successful; or do you dispute that, as well!?!
hoosiergambler 4 months ago
@hoosiergambler ok, it takes a lot of responsibility, love, commitment, etc. to be a mom but all I'm saying is that one, anyone can be a mom b/c anyone is capable of having sex. Just b/c you're (not you since you said you're a man) a mom, doesn't mean you have those qualities, responsibility, commitment, love. All you did to be a mom was to have sex. AND if you had a child out of wedlock, that just shows right off that you aren't responsible, and that you aren't committed, etc.
tuddyfruity4 4 months ago
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@tuddyfruity4 "if you had a child out of wedlock, that just shows right off that you aren't responsible, and that you aren't committed, etc."
wtf!?! stop thinking inside the box. having a child out of wedlock has zero bearing with regard to responsibility! how the hell do you reach that erroneous conclusion!?!
do not let culture define success for you, realize that success is a self-defined concept.
hoosiergambler 4 months ago
@tuddyfruity4 "do it for your kids, since you do everything for them, right?"
pay attention; I HAVE NO KIDS. i do care about all people, though, especially defenseless children.
are we not obligated to give them a better world than this giant, war-torn landfill enslaved to the banks and the military-industrial complex!?! this is going nowhere, you will always put yourself first. poor kids.
hoosiergambler 4 months ago
@hoosiergambler how do i put myself before my kids? you have issues.
tuddyfruity4 4 months ago
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@tuddyfruity4 "how do i put myself before my kids?" because you originally said, "i'm a wife before a mother"
read over our entire conversation because my quotations are quite accurate.
hoosiergambler 4 months ago
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@tuddyfruity4 "oh yeah, you said it." umm, no; i originally quoted it from the video. my quotations are dead on.
hoosiergambler 4 months ago
Why do so many "mothers" whine and bitch about having kids and taking care of them when it was them, the mothers, that CHOSE to ride a penis and get pregnant?
Judas priest, that famous shrink asked a great question when he looked at his cigar, flicked it, and said, "Sheeeeet! What on earth do all these whiney women want out of life!"
guyNbluejeans 4 months ago
I LUV U MUM
Herc2770 5 months ago
I was waiting for Susan Smith to appear.
That would have made this suck just a little less.
davidgeorge11 2 years ago
@davidgeorge11 Spoken like a true man.
uramoron2006 2 years ago
it's sad that all that defines you is that you're a mom
I'm a mom, but I'm so many other things, my kids are not my life, my life is so much more, it's mostly my husband- i'm a wife before a mother, my kids have their own lives- and I don't think i'm tough just b/c i'm a mom- bull crap
tuddyfruity4 2 years ago
@tuddyfruity4 your child didn't ask to be born, therefore you are obligated to do the best you can to provide for your child. if you are a wife first then you are NOT doing the best you can to give your child the best it can have. should've thought about that when you decided to keep your child rather than abort. the same obligation would apply to the father. and this is not some puritanical religious nut, i am an atheist that is about taking responsibility for what we do.
hoosiergambler 4 months ago
@hoosiergambler I"m not complaining. I've done everything for my kids and for my husband. The best thing I can do for my kids is to have a loving, healthy relationship with their father, love him and put him first. Let me guess, you're not married... and i didn't ask if you were atheist or not, but thanks for sharing, haha. Let me guess, you don't even know who the father of your child is...
tuddyfruity4 4 months ago
@tuddyfruity4 i just didn't want anyone to get the impression that i thought that i was on some puritanical high horse! "Let me guess, you don't even know who the father of your child is... " whoa, judgmental ____, i am a man, you presume someone knocked me up!?! i love to sew my wild oats, responsibly. it is quite apparent that marriage is a broken institution less than compatible with the human condition, but i digress. the point was, i hate to see the defenseless left hanging.
hoosiergambler 4 months ago
@hoosiergambler ok, thanks for clarifying. what exactly does it mean to sew wild oats RESPONSIBLY? You just said you think marriage is a broken "institution".
tuddyfruity4 4 months ago
@tuddyfruity4 ≥ half of marriages end in divorce. of the ≤ half that do not fail, we can reasonably presume that they do not fail because one or both of the spouses refuse to accept the label of divorce; therefore, continue relationships resigned to misery.
you will find only ~25% to ~33% give or take, that may experience something like it is cracked up to be.
people change; marriage is not compatible with the human exp.
hoosiergambler 4 months ago
@hoosiergambler where do you get your stats, that is not even true, I think you just have relationship issues. don't judge all people by the few losers you know.
tuddyfruity4 4 months ago
@tuddyfruity4 "I think you ..." you're not thinking, you're feeling. there you go again, with your silly presumptions. i was giving stats from our sociology lecture several weeks ago. if you want some stats just go to (i can't post links). pathetic to question those numbers, they're pretty common knowledge to anyone that cares to truly learn about things as opposed to accepting myths as reality. that's the primary problem in america, gross lack of education and acceptance of myths.
hoosiergambler 4 months ago
@hoosiergambler i would like to know where these "numbers" are coming from, b/c I have my own "numbers" and does it really matter, even if 8 out of 10 marriages in USA end in divorce, it still wouldn't change the fact one should be married before having sex and starting a family and it wouldn't change the fact that any old idiot could have sex and have a baby and being a mother has nothing to do with courage
tuddyfruity4 4 months ago
@tuddyfruity4 "that is not even true, I think you just have relationship issues."
you don't think, you feel. you are presumptuous. you fail to understand that some of us think for ourselves and don't just blindly do whatever we're encouraged to without first fully considering the ramifications. indeed, it is true, go to the site with statistics that i sent you in a pm. you try to argue with emotion, because of this you are failing miserably.
hoosiergambler 4 months ago
@hoosiergambler you are the one who is blind. how can you judge something without emotion? and just b/c you use emotion doesn't mean you aren't thinking for yourself. that is exactly what I'm talking about, people who don't consider ramifications before they do something. so if you are one of those people who do consider ramifications, then are you the person who considers them then does whatever you want anyway?
tuddyfruity4 4 months ago
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@tuddyfruity4 "I think you just have relationship issues." god, you do not know how to think! apparently you know how to feel, though. you need to get out of your sheltered world and understand that i am not alone. many younger people are arriving at similar conclusions as i. where is your evidence that this is not a personal choice based upon the facts as well as everything i (we) have witnessed in other marriages?
hoosiergambler 4 months ago
@tuddyfruity4 i had some tell me that sometimes you have to make it work. wtf, if one has to make it work then perhaps the contract is not the most beneficial situation for that individual, or for the family as a whole. go to school and learn about other cultures and how they group their social structures. westerners think inside the box way too much, we think our way is the only way. we define success by our assets!?! western culture is quite socially immature.
hoosiergambler 4 months ago
@hoosiergambler yes i may agree with you on western culture, but you are the one who should learn about other cultures. western culture is the one with the most unhappy marriages and the most divorces. Many other cultures have arranged marriages, but I can't imagine someone like you would be ok with that
tuddyfruity4 4 months ago
@tuddyfruity4 "you are the one who should learn about other cultures ..."
i am an anthropology major, trust me, i know much of other cultures. you do realize that there are a variety of social arrangements other than arranged marriages or the western idea of 'til death do we part'!?!
hoosiergambler 4 months ago
@hoosiergambler yes of course there are other forms of social arrangements but that doesn't have anything to do with your issues with marriage
tuddyfruity4 4 months ago
@tuddyfruity4 "western culture is the one with the most unhappy marriages and the most divorces."
you concede a point, yet you still continue argue with emotion in favor of a broken institution that is apparently not the most beneficial for most people!?!
hoosiergambler 4 months ago
@hoosiergambler the only thing broken about western marriages is they way most people approach them. it's no wonder there are so many divorces when you have people who put more thought and effort into the huge and luxurious wedding than they do into prepping to be with someone supposedly for the rest of their lives. They come into marriages with several past horribly broken relationships, poor choices that have led them to lots of suffering, etc.
tuddyfruity4 4 months ago
@tuddyfruity4 i am so sick of this, the argument has now become a quarrel. i have to finish my homework and go to class now. you do not argue with reason or facts, just simple emotion. you can reply if you want, but it would be pointless as i will never receive any messages alerting me of your reply because you can now consider yourself BLOCKED!
hoosiergambler 4 months ago
@hoosiergambler that's fine, block me, i'm not going to cry over, you are the one who seems to get emotional about it. I thought we were having a simple discussion, but I guess if someone thinks differently than you, it's easier to just block them than to actually stretch your mind around what they are saying, think outside your factory college little box, man. Hope the real world doesn't bite you in the ass one day.
tuddyfruity4 4 months ago
@tuddyfruity4 "what exactly does it mean to sew wild oats RESPONSIBLY?"
i use rubbers. i have only gotten someone pregnant once, but she miscarried.
i was prepared to be in it for the long haul, i.e. twenty years max. to raise the child.
hoosiergambler 4 months ago
@hoosiergambler wow, how responsible of you. 20 years max. how brave and manly of you. I would like "for life" long haul not 20 years max, you're a joke, thank goodness that child was never born.
tuddyfruity4 4 months ago
@tuddyfruity4 barring physical/mental handicaps, after twenty years they're full grown adults. time to let them be adults. the social arrangement is no longer necessary. it should continue only if it is what both individual feel will be the most beneficial for them. statistics strongly suggest that that is a consideration all couples should ponder. i am sorry, no joke. you really wanna go there? you want to start referring to these ideas as jokes!?! that is behavior best left@playground.
hoosiergambler 4 months ago
@hoosiergambler sounds like too many sociology classes and less real life experience for you. you are the one to needs to grow up and stop "spreading your seed" around the whorish sperm toilets. someone who has a child without having a means, like finances, housing, a stable marriage, is immature.
tuddyfruity4 4 months ago
@tuddyfruity4 "how brave and manly of you."
how overtly sexist of you. you probably think that sex and gender mean the exact same thing. your lack of education combined with your propensity to argue with emotion rather than facts is the only "joke" to be found on here.
hoosiergambler 4 months ago
@hoosiergambler wow, you are sadly mistaken if you think that the topic of sex should lack emotion. Where you go to school? A factory, no doubt. It's ok, let them brainwash you into what they want, you're half way there. I am highly educated and i'm in the real world now and I would love to be there once you enter the real world and realize you just wasted 4 years and $50,000 of your life b/c you're not getting much for it
tuddyfruity4 4 months ago
@tuddyfruity4 "thank goodness that child was never born."
celebrating miscarriage!?! how sadist of you.
hoosiergambler 4 months ago
@hoosiergambler oh, i thought a emotionless robot would be happy for a miscarriage, i guess i misjudged you. why should you care, you are the one going around "spreading your seed", what if one of those women never told you about getting pregnant from you?
tuddyfruity4 4 months ago
@hoosiergambler Responsibility? Honey, I take all the responsibilities for my family not just because I am responsible but b/c I love them and b/c I want to take care of them. I wanted my kids before they were conceived, I wanted them when I was pregnant and many years later I still want them and always will. I would have never even thought about aborting them. And I don't keep them b/c "it's the right thing to do", I keep them b/c I love them and I love their father who is my husband.
tuddyfruity4 4 months ago
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@tuddyfruity4 "i'm a wife before a mother"
poor kids with a selfish mom that put's herself before her kids who never asked to be brought into the world.
but i can't criticize you too harshly, i don't want kids because that would confine my freedom too much with regard to my personal preferences; which is why i take precautions to see to it that i don't bring children into a world that fails to provide equitable distribution of resources.
hoosiergambler 4 months ago
Love this! I want a t-shirt that says PROUD OWNER OF A VAGINA!
manicmommy 2 years ago