Brown & buddys dont need body armour so its not important
BUT, the money saved by NOT helping our lads come home safely has been spent on £500 handbags and second house morgage payments and all the other fraudulent claims.
they dont give a shit because its not them.
tell them "for every pound they spend on our troops they get a pound."
What's really unfortunate is that these sentiments you express are nothing new--we've been facing these problems for decades. The guys who really put it on the line are treated very shabbily by the government who sent them. :-(
Ah, the Gurkhas are a slightly different case. Think about Costa Rica and the US, thier soldiers are bascially mercs, but no one bats and eyelid. Ditto the Gurkhas
i dont buy it. im american and i have 2 experiences to back up my distrust. the first would be a historical reference, british hired heshens during the colonial / revolutionary period. the second being Blackwater operating with impunity in iraq under the bush administration.
i understand your position but i believe u are on the wrong side of history. it is important to recognize that historically private armys are used to oppress and dominate a people, not to win wars.
in the short term, such as the US paying the suni (sp) awakening in iraq to stop killing there own countrymen, it can appear using mercenarys works. in the long term however i submit that history has always condemned the use of mercenarys from a humanitarian stand point. bottom being that private militarys are bad because they are not accountable to a larger public
i couldnt find any info on costa ricas military on google so i cant refute that point. hope this help clarify my issue with ur rant
big red, think you entirely misunderstand the situation. The Gurkha regiment has been a part of the British army since the mid 1800s - it has fought as a part of that army in every war since, these are not Blackwater types. But they do, fight for Britian and they aren't citizens, thus the title Mercenary is appropriate.
As FS says below, all soldiers are mercs on some level
im sorry for not articulating myself better. i am a far better speaker that writer =P
in ur vid at points u seem be pro private military. i feel strongly about military issues. i agree that they should be granted citizenship for there service, u are right. i think however in your championing of the Gurkha's cause u INADVERTENTLY advocate private for-profit militarys.
lol if i would have started with this maybe we would not be having a back and forth at all lol
no soldiers are accountable to a larger public. they are only accountable to their officers and their officers are accountable to politicians. politicians, by and large, are accountable to lobbying interests. at no place in this chain of accountability does a larger public have a slice of the pie.
accept where we cast our ballot fool. if u want to debate where democracy works, fine. make a video on that subject. however dont think u can hijack the conversation and get any respect from me.
You said private soldiers aren't accountable to the public. I said in more words that "public" or "national" soldiers aren't either. Both fakesagan and billy have asserted all soldiers are mercenaries in one way or another. I'm not changing the subject.
i dont know what to say here. i dont want to argue with the ignorant. however i will give u the benefit of the doubt.
your 2 replys are not consistent. in the 1st u assert no soldiers are accountable to the public because democracy doesnt work. in the 2nd u restate ur original point. u also claim that u are correct because fakesagan and Tothemattresses said so.
u change the subject when u assert democracy doesnt work. thats a whole other debate. the underlined issue here is subjective morality
If you want to argue about armies and soldiers, which come from the population, without talking about who runs them, the political class, then I think you are putting the cart before the horse. Either that or you are already riding in the cart, so the horse isn't even an issue to you. I never mentioned democracy even once. This is the same story regardless of the type of government.
willful ignorance is alive and well, ladys and gentlemen.
read your first comment .
"at no place in this chain of accountability does a larger public have a slice of the pie." said oxcartdays3030.
u are ether arguing that democracy doesnt work for controlling the military or u are a blathering buffoon, who simply opens his mouth and lets words fall out.
now i ask u sir, do u not understand the meaning of intellectual honesty, and by proxy the rules of debate, or are u a fiend who would be more at home behind a pulpit that discussing matters of the day with ur equals? i have a feeling u are more worried of being embarrassed than reaching any form of consensus. to that point i must say i humbly agree to disagree. have a nice day.
yeah fine, douchebag. I'm so very embarrassed that you think I said democracy doesn't work. you embarked on a "this guy is saying democracy doesn't work" witch-hunt against me the moment I mentioned that national soldiers don't have any more accountability to the public than private ones. i feel you jumped the gun on that one. your last two paragraphs are some of the gayest attempts at pwnage i've seen in a long while.
unfortunatly billy i must disagree about your statement about 170 being a lot of soldiers to lose, over 5 years that is a very low level of loss, especially when you compare it to things such as the fawklands where 230 died in 2 months, i know that iraq is a conflict and an insurgency which means the combat is very different and the insurgents arnt as well trained but the fact is that still only 170 have died, its a tiny loss.
as for the other casualties, they are unfortunate and unavoidable, the war itself is somthing that never should have occured and i was against it, the withdrawal is long over due. the equipment in the army is ok, the radio's are in a state of transit where the old sets are being replaced. body armour cannot stop assault rifle and machine gun rounds, we make better weapons than armour, the pay on the other hand is not good for the job, but the benifits are elsewhere, but pay needs to rise
In the Falklands we were fighting a conventional war, albeit 5,000 miles and entirely by sea, but the 230 killed equated to well less than 1% of all forces deployed. In Iraq that figure is more like 5%. Moreover, we've suffered a total in both Iraq and Afganistan of 1,000 casulaties - testament to the medics more than the approach. These are not tiny numbers in a country who's ENTIRE military capability is less than 100,000 people.
no not small in relation to the size of our military but you do have to take time in to account and atrittion will take a toll and cause soldiers to be wounded and killed, also you have not included the rotation of troops into the % losses we have commited more than 10k troops due to these rotations, and i do understand the fawklands was a conventional war. the military capability of the army alone is 134,000 including the terratorial as for the RAF and the navy im not too sure on the numbers.
Mmm... if the British Army was comprised mainly of conscripts then I would have a bit more sympathy for the squaddies. Surely nobody can be so ignorant as to not realise that they will almost certainly be sent off to Iraq or Afghanistan at some point after they sign up. It is quite clear that squaddies are generally seen as disposable tools by their political masters and are treated as such, but nobody forced them into this situation.
So with no GCSEs, no qualifications and no hope, someone says they'll give you a room, food and £13k pa to shoot at people you might say yes if the alternative is unemployment or flipping burgers. It isn't conscription but its fucking close to it, at the very least its economical coercion.
Moreover, they certainly dont sign up to being given the wrong kit, the wrong training and be deployed in the wrong numbers, using the wrong tactics. No one signs up for that but its politically expedient.
My lame attempt to make you smile. You are a good man to feel this so deeply. True sentiments. Sad, very sad, but true. I also have friends who are soldiers. Their's is not a happy lot. 'Used' comes to mind, and 'abused'. It's all a big joke. A Sick joke.
It's a pleasure to have something intelligent real and heartfelt to comment upon rather than snowboarding dogs and the ' god exists / no he don't.' rants
You are right the whole set up stank and still stinks.
I believe we left cuz it was a debacle, unmitigated.
Sorry to hear yr friends bro was hurt.
The media coverage and how the public are conditioned to react is, as Chomsky has observed, part of a tendentious and manipulatory excercise. Some people do care, most don't and yes, you are singing to the choir, preaching to the converted.
It is hard not to lose heart in such absurd conditions
but it has ever been so. Don't lose faith with humanity.
body armour, etc, are not needed by MPs,
Brown & buddys dont need body armour so its not important
BUT, the money saved by NOT helping our lads come home safely has been spent on £500 handbags and second house morgage payments and all the other fraudulent claims.
they dont give a shit because its not them.
tell them "for every pound they spend on our troops they get a pound."
AND SEE THE MONEY THEN.
if you can read English
thank a teacher
if you can speak English
THANK A SOLDIER.
TheReligionist 2 years ago
Ur a cunt. Just using long words does not mean ur clever because u intwine these words with vulgar words u twat.
parkrc 2 years ago
I have no idea what your point is, but you certainly prove that contraception isn't used widley enough
Tothemattresses 2 years ago
What's really unfortunate is that these sentiments you express are nothing new--we've been facing these problems for decades. The guys who really put it on the line are treated very shabbily by the government who sent them. :-(
roentgen571 2 years ago
Oh, but we all wear our poppy pins. What else do you want from us?
mbarbarelli 2 years ago
i agree with u on this larger philosophical point, but i, and i believe Tothemattresses as well are speaking in practical terms.
bigredjeff007420 2 years ago
I completely understand what you are saying. Thank you for being brave enough to say it.
sogren5 2 years ago
i agree with the heart of this rant. but mercenarys are ok? PRIVATE MILITARYS ARE OK? wtf is ur thinking on that. i assume u arnt.
bigredjeff007420 2 years ago
Ah, the Gurkhas are a slightly different case. Think about Costa Rica and the US, thier soldiers are bascially mercs, but no one bats and eyelid. Ditto the Gurkhas
Tothemattresses 2 years ago
i dont buy it. im american and i have 2 experiences to back up my distrust. the first would be a historical reference, british hired heshens during the colonial / revolutionary period. the second being Blackwater operating with impunity in iraq under the bush administration.
i understand your position but i believe u are on the wrong side of history. it is important to recognize that historically private armys are used to oppress and dominate a people, not to win wars.
continued
bigredjeff007420 2 years ago
in the short term, such as the US paying the suni (sp) awakening in iraq to stop killing there own countrymen, it can appear using mercenarys works. in the long term however i submit that history has always condemned the use of mercenarys from a humanitarian stand point. bottom being that private militarys are bad because they are not accountable to a larger public
i couldnt find any info on costa ricas military on google so i cant refute that point. hope this help clarify my issue with ur rant
bigredjeff007420 2 years ago
big red, think you entirely misunderstand the situation. The Gurkha regiment has been a part of the British army since the mid 1800s - it has fought as a part of that army in every war since, these are not Blackwater types. But they do, fight for Britian and they aren't citizens, thus the title Mercenary is appropriate.
As FS says below, all soldiers are mercs on some level
Tothemattresses 2 years ago
im sorry for not articulating myself better. i am a far better speaker that writer =P
in ur vid at points u seem be pro private military. i feel strongly about military issues. i agree that they should be granted citizenship for there service, u are right. i think however in your championing of the Gurkha's cause u INADVERTENTLY advocate private for-profit militarys.
lol if i would have started with this maybe we would not be having a back and forth at all lol
bigredjeff007420 2 years ago
no soldiers are accountable to a larger public. they are only accountable to their officers and their officers are accountable to politicians. politicians, by and large, are accountable to lobbying interests. at no place in this chain of accountability does a larger public have a slice of the pie.
oxcartdays3030 2 years ago
accept where we cast our ballot fool. if u want to debate where democracy works, fine. make a video on that subject. however dont think u can hijack the conversation and get any respect from me.
bigredjeff007420 2 years ago
You said private soldiers aren't accountable to the public. I said in more words that "public" or "national" soldiers aren't either. Both fakesagan and billy have asserted all soldiers are mercenaries in one way or another. I'm not changing the subject.
oxcartdays3030 2 years ago
i dont know what to say here. i dont want to argue with the ignorant. however i will give u the benefit of the doubt.
your 2 replys are not consistent. in the 1st u assert no soldiers are accountable to the public because democracy doesnt work. in the 2nd u restate ur original point. u also claim that u are correct because fakesagan and Tothemattresses said so.
u change the subject when u assert democracy doesnt work. thats a whole other debate. the underlined issue here is subjective morality
bigredjeff007420 2 years ago
If you want to argue about armies and soldiers, which come from the population, without talking about who runs them, the political class, then I think you are putting the cart before the horse. Either that or you are already riding in the cart, so the horse isn't even an issue to you. I never mentioned democracy even once. This is the same story regardless of the type of government.
oxcartdays3030 2 years ago
willful ignorance is alive and well, ladys and gentlemen.
read your first comment .
"at no place in this chain of accountability does a larger public have a slice of the pie." said oxcartdays3030.
u are ether arguing that democracy doesnt work for controlling the military or u are a blathering buffoon, who simply opens his mouth and lets words fall out.
bigredjeff007420 2 years ago
now i ask u sir, do u not understand the meaning of intellectual honesty, and by proxy the rules of debate, or are u a fiend who would be more at home behind a pulpit that discussing matters of the day with ur equals? i have a feeling u are more worried of being embarrassed than reaching any form of consensus. to that point i must say i humbly agree to disagree. have a nice day.
bigredjeff007420 2 years ago
yeah fine, douchebag. I'm so very embarrassed that you think I said democracy doesn't work. you embarked on a "this guy is saying democracy doesn't work" witch-hunt against me the moment I mentioned that national soldiers don't have any more accountability to the public than private ones. i feel you jumped the gun on that one. your last two paragraphs are some of the gayest attempts at pwnage i've seen in a long while.
oxcartdays3030 2 years ago
unfortunatly billy i must disagree about your statement about 170 being a lot of soldiers to lose, over 5 years that is a very low level of loss, especially when you compare it to things such as the fawklands where 230 died in 2 months, i know that iraq is a conflict and an insurgency which means the combat is very different and the insurgents arnt as well trained but the fact is that still only 170 have died, its a tiny loss.
quigglebert 2 years ago
as for the other casualties, they are unfortunate and unavoidable, the war itself is somthing that never should have occured and i was against it, the withdrawal is long over due. the equipment in the army is ok, the radio's are in a state of transit where the old sets are being replaced. body armour cannot stop assault rifle and machine gun rounds, we make better weapons than armour, the pay on the other hand is not good for the job, but the benifits are elsewhere, but pay needs to rise
quigglebert 2 years ago
In the Falklands we were fighting a conventional war, albeit 5,000 miles and entirely by sea, but the 230 killed equated to well less than 1% of all forces deployed. In Iraq that figure is more like 5%. Moreover, we've suffered a total in both Iraq and Afganistan of 1,000 casulaties - testament to the medics more than the approach. These are not tiny numbers in a country who's ENTIRE military capability is less than 100,000 people.
Tothemattresses 2 years ago
no not small in relation to the size of our military but you do have to take time in to account and atrittion will take a toll and cause soldiers to be wounded and killed, also you have not included the rotation of troops into the % losses we have commited more than 10k troops due to these rotations, and i do understand the fawklands was a conventional war. the military capability of the army alone is 134,000 including the terratorial as for the RAF and the navy im not too sure on the numbers.
quigglebert 2 years ago
Mmm... if the British Army was comprised mainly of conscripts then I would have a bit more sympathy for the squaddies. Surely nobody can be so ignorant as to not realise that they will almost certainly be sent off to Iraq or Afghanistan at some point after they sign up. It is quite clear that squaddies are generally seen as disposable tools by their political masters and are treated as such, but nobody forced them into this situation.
yeahwotevaman 2 years ago
So with no GCSEs, no qualifications and no hope, someone says they'll give you a room, food and £13k pa to shoot at people you might say yes if the alternative is unemployment or flipping burgers. It isn't conscription but its fucking close to it, at the very least its economical coercion.
Moreover, they certainly dont sign up to being given the wrong kit, the wrong training and be deployed in the wrong numbers, using the wrong tactics. No one signs up for that but its politically expedient.
Tothemattresses 2 years ago
I've got full HD quality here..nice to see another video..... you need to make much more! I almost fell off my chair when I saw this new one lol
P.S you even pwned yourself in this one lol
5 Stars
CrackedHalo 2 years ago
Yr camera is haunted. Simple.
I do exorcisms at a very reasonable Hourly rate..
Possessions I charge extra and danger money.
My lame attempt to make you smile. You are a good man to feel this so deeply. True sentiments. Sad, very sad, but true. I also have friends who are soldiers. Their's is not a happy lot. 'Used' comes to mind, and 'abused'. It's all a big joke. A Sick joke.
Good words sir. Good video. Respect.
faunflynn 2 years ago
LOL - Yeah I think it might be possessed. Either taht or its some govt conspiracy to censor me through shitty technology.
Thanks for the comments
Tothemattresses 2 years ago
It's a pleasure to have something intelligent real and heartfelt to comment upon rather than snowboarding dogs and the ' god exists / no he don't.' rants
faunflynn 2 years ago
You are right the whole set up stank and still stinks.
I believe we left cuz it was a debacle, unmitigated.
Sorry to hear yr friends bro was hurt.
The media coverage and how the public are conditioned to react is, as Chomsky has observed, part of a tendentious and manipulatory excercise. Some people do care, most don't and yes, you are singing to the choir, preaching to the converted.
It is hard not to lose heart in such absurd conditions
but it has ever been so. Don't lose faith with humanity.
faunflynn 2 years ago
Its a feeling of impotence that gets to me. I haven't lost faith in humanity, just liberalism
Tothemattresses 2 years ago
Really? Come on. You seem like a decent bloke to me.
geffel 2 years ago
So your government is also fucked... :(
I weep for my species when I remember that God is imaginary.
Wilberbeest 2 years ago