2011 Subaru Traction/Stability Control and Symmetrical AWD vs. Nissan, Honda, Toyota, and Ford

[romanzhahov]

Сущая правда, может слегка приукрашенная. У меня такой форик, именно так он и вкручивается, впрочем как и остальные Субары. Есть одно НО, вкручивается он так только под газом, потому надо зажимать очко и не отпускать газ, иначе он едет мордой наружу как все остальные. Ну и контр смещение перед маневром ему только на пользу, субары так и управляются. Остальных "коров" это контр смещение сбивает с толку.

I love subaru.

[crysis860]

i dont own a subaru, but this is further proving that subaru awd is superior

[gadgetguy4000]

this guy needs to put his money where his mouth is and test it with mitsubishi!  their awd system is legit

[soyntgo4it]

That is so fixed you can tell the Subaru is going slower..

[RrrUssS1]

Subaru !!!!!!!!

[Muskarinio]

The subaru is making drifts thats way he cand go :)

[AQUApineapple]

DAT FORD

[epicrun1235]

tires matter also

[Coolzombi]

The CRV in second place !!!.. In my eyes it was the worst..

[TembI4NSK]

Субару рулит!

[tounovtwin]

Bullshit, he goes a lot slower on last corner!!

[rayamanelly]

The drove the subaru slower... If you us a stop watch and measure the time from the moment the passenger tire passes the first set of cones till the moment it reaches the next set. if nearly a full second difference from the Rouge to the Forrester 

[ciprihorodinca]

subaru clearly run much slower then the other cars...

[maenkhatib]

Why u dont add mitsubishi to the list with its S-AWC ??!!

[yeh4jonathan]

I can tell this review is completely unbiased and obviously not favoring Subaru at all!

[Vnutrenniygoloz]

Compare speed Toyota at the Subaru!

[giangarduque]

they didn't provide quantitative data on speeds...i thought the subaru appeared to be going slower than the rest of the cars

[s8rider]

i dont know if its just me or the subaru was a little slower compare to the other vehicles... but because of the reasonable price and good reviews im still getting a 2012 subaru forester 2.5x premium / automatic..... my first vehicle ever!

[WhatThePresidentSays]

happy that the CR-V placed second :)

but i like how will the Mitsubishi perform

[Nbuilder1]

@WhatThePresidentSays

I'm surprised the CR-V placed second when it did worst then the Nissan. Mitsubishi was not even tested here.

[sharky322]

@Nbuilder1 i see honda was going little bit faster than subaru..

[Nbuilder1]

@sharky322

It just seems that way but all cars travel at same speed.

[tungol00]

@WhatThePresidentSays or mazda XD

[TheShmooty]

@yippe 54k = ripped off. Secondly this is not an xt premium and therefore has the Goodyear duellers which are about 5 times better than the crappy geo squeakers that are on your car and mine.

[TheShmooty]

Secondly you don't deserve to drive a xt unless your smart enough to upgrade your rear sway bar to a 22mm whiteline for a pathetic $250 which nearly completely removes under steer and a crapload of body roll. And I've taken my forester around sharp roundabouts faster than this and had no problems. So learnin to drive is something you may wanna look into as well :)

[SoDaSub]

@ReflexCap A 3rd party company administered the test. The brakes weren't used because you can see the back of each vehicle and there are not brake lights.

[yippe]

This is a crock of shit. I drive a brand new xt premium. The thing cost me 54k on road and it understeers in the wet so bad its ridiculous. Actually it acts exactly like the first car. I would prefer it to have no features so in the event of a mishap i was in total control.

[cheezgrated]

So... don't drive too fast for the road conditions? It was fun to watch vehicles hustling through a cone test though. I'll stick to 2WD.

[sssmeee]

why was honda rated second when it seemed to do worse than both toyota and nissan?

[finch204]

I thought the Subie was going a bit slower than the rest of the cars and the steering input seemed to be gentle as to not lose too much control. But that's just me. If this test was true, that is awesome. In any case, if I was to go looking for an AWD drive vehicle, I am going to check out Subaru first, regardless if I saw this video or not.

[sniffsumglu]

they probs had wet tyres on the scoob lmao

[RasMikurebBliad]

I'm forester driver, Don't won't to boast but Forester is way better in terms of handling than those other cars here, it's impreza's fat brother shortly.

But I don't think that this test is fare, I think forester was going little slowly or used the brakes.

[genisxxx]

My dad has owned many different Subarus and Symmetrical AWD always amazes me. Especially in snow!!!

[autofixation]

I currently own a Subaru, I had one before it, and one before that and will most likely continue to own one for the rest of my life. It is the most versatile vehicle ever made. Stylish, capable, fast, handles well, is practical and safe. Not to mention easy to maintain!

[MWorsa]

@autofixation The symmetrical layout of the motor and drivetrain makes so much sense, it seems silly to me that all cars aren't made this way. I will never own anything else than a Subaru. Currently own an '08 Outback, had an '86 GL dual range 4x4 wagon which was a blast and 2 early 90's Legacy wagons, all great cars.

[JDmohamed]

subaru best 4x4 !!!!

[brucenash]

Always subaru tries to fuck another brands with his own tests LOL

[SoDaSub]

@brucenash I don't see other brands posting up tests of their own with Subarus in them

[filmftw3]

@SoDaSub

According to national crash data, Subaru has some of the worst death rates of any car manufacturer? Why is that? They seem to be safe in all tests and testing, but in real world their cars are very deadly.

[SoDaSub]

@filmftw3 That isn't true. There was an uptick in the 2011 report for Forester and Legacy for 2005-2008 MY vehicles. These vehicles were some of the fastest cars at the time (Legacy 0-60 in 5.1 and Forester 0-60 in 5.3) Both vehicles were faster than the 350z. A lot of people bought them as sports car alternatives and the data shows both models somewhere between sporty cars and conventional cars. It's to be expected. A safe car is only as safe as the situation it's placed in.

[SoDaSub]

@filmftw3 The Outback, which didn't have as high of a turbo take rate has one of the lowest fatality rates of any vehicle in its segment. It is structurally identical to the Legacy. Looking at the previous death rate report for prior model years (before hi-po turbos were available from Subaru) shows Subaru as one of the lowest death rates of any vehicles. That is saying a lot since Subarus were most heavily sold in areas of the country prone to foul weather and poor road conditions.

[Anzhela2]

Subarus!!!! :)

[berryblack183]

Er the Sub was going slower..... its clear.

[bmh1234567]

Seemed like Nissan was better than Honda.

[zonaxmd]

Does anybody saw the speed-diference - all the competitors except Subaru had higher speed at the begining and at the end of this trick. Even a few miles less and a better tires can change the results.

Sure FWD with optional AWD has understiring - it's not drifting to buy RWD with extra-steering. There are a lot of situations when fixed AWD is not so good and I can turn it off if I need - Mitsubishi Out XL - one of the best sellers in Russia, where the SUVs are more needed than on US-highway

[Soob4ME]

@zonaxmd I think it only looks like it's going slower because it didn't lose control like all the other pieces of shit. If you watch when the front wheels enter the first set of cones and use a stop watch to time each one as it comes out of the first set, you'll get 1.7-1.8 seconds for all of them. I'd say the speed is pretty much the same.

[DuhDehDeeDohDuh]

Only fools will believe in this video.

Do you notice why there's a portion where the camera was transferred to steering wheels inside the Subaru Forester?

Where's the proof that brakes were not used?

Wheres the proof that engine brakes were not used?

To consider the video as legit, drivers from Ford and Toyota and other brands should have their representative drivers and an electronic speed checker just before the neon cones must be installed to register the speed of each test.

[SoDaSub]

@DuhDehDeeDohDuh That's silly. The cars weren't driven by Subaru drivers. You can see the brakes were not used from the fact there are no brake lights. It's ok to be skeptical, but being ignorant is another matter all together.

[DuhDehDeeDohDuh]

@SoDaSub Engine braking by using lower gears can even halt a car without a blink from brake lights. There are many factors that could cause under-steering.

>> Type of tyres used, slick, rain tyre or winter tyres will make a huge difference.

>> Weight of vehicle filling up gas tank is a disadvantage. Removing miscellaneous things at the back of car will give advantage

>> Height sedans can beat 4x4 in this tests due to height

>> Driver proficiency can make big difference

[vedatertekin]

@SoDaSub

how do you know that The cars weren't drivren by Subaru drivers Did you sit in front of passenger seat ?

[SuperHenmen]

@DuhDehDeeDohDuh It doesnt need proof its a SUBARU

[Soob4ME]

@DuhDehDeeDohDuh Sorry you don't drive a Subaru, but that was your choice. Get over it, they're not bull shitting around when it comes to making stable cars like these other faggots.

[rook1e5]

@DuhDehDeeDohDuh it seems much slower than others..thats what I see..

[ms372]

LOL ford

[Spyster007]

This tells us nothing about AWD. It just shows how different vehicles have varying programs on the ESP system. most drivers would be off the accelerator in that situation meaning the AWD system isn't even utilised. ESP is what we're testing here, and that is affected by vehicle center of gravity and weight distribution.

[SoDaSub]

@Spyster007 This tests both, hence the title. Subaru's VDC system is fully integrated with the AWD to take power away from slipping wheels and move it to the wheels with traction. Road & Track did a test a few years ago with AWD cars vs their FWD and RWD counterparts on a wet track and the AWD versions bet their 2WD versions every time. Traction and Stability control is important for the common driver and some systems are much better than others.

[mando1337]

@Spyster007 And again Subaru is the winner.

Flat engine = better center of gravity and weight distribution.

[Soob4ME]

@Spyster007 Have you ever let off the gas in an AWD car plowing through a turn? Behaves MUCH more differently than any 2wd car, be it rwd or fwd.

[McLer300]

Nice but where is Mitsubishi Outlander, Volvo XC60 or VW Tiguan ?!

[SoDaSub]

@McLer300 Outlander doesn't sell in any appreciable numbers to be deemed competition. Tiguan and XC60 are Haldex AWD which is inferior and depicted in other videos.

[djeo890]

@SoDaSub neither bmw x3 or g class from merc?

[PrezZinho]

@djeo890 those play in a different price class

[SoDaSub]

@djeo890 Neither of those are Subaru's competition. The X3's system is inferior to Subaru's system. Opting for an AWD BMW is the quickest way to ruin the driving experience of a BMW. The G Class would perform well on the roller test on one rear wheel as it has a lockable rear diff. It would not be fair as well on this road course as it only has a 3 sensor 3 channel ABS system as opposed to a 4/4 like Subaru, so It is not able to re-appropriate torque on the fly as well.

[usernameofutube]

@McLer300 fyi, XC60 AWD / all Volvo AWD are quite weak

[aqa722]

this is useless shit. as a driver, i would never take a corner like that. this is too fast for a tight corner like this, every sensible driver would slow down and take it easy to avoid under steer.

[SoDaSub]

@aqa722 Did you even listen to the commentary? This is about accident avoidance, not racing around cones.

[Ryantravisaol]

@SoDaSub Some people just don't pay attention!

[Subaru2484]

@aqa722 its because this is an acident avoidence test its not your choice, there is only few seconds to react.

[TheDynoSoar]

the subaru drove slower than the others...

[mando1337]

@TheDynoSoar They all entered the test at similar speed. It might appear slower because it didn't lose traction. What happens when you enter a sharp bend, dont lose grip and dont play with gas/brake pedal? Exactly... you slow down.

[flamesfromblazer]

I know one thing - that ford is crappola . . .

[Jakstr1981]

I love Subies but.....

The way this test was performed was not exactly fair. The driver of the Subie anticipated and threw the ass end out before entering the turn. Because of this he drifted into beginning and aligned the front of the vehicle earlier which prevented the under steer that would've occurred.

Come on Subaru. You vehicles are superior. No one doubts that. Don't be lame asses and cheat to prove it.

[onionbuskut]

my 08 subaru will understeer like a bitch, whats going on?? im assuming its me just doing dumb shit in the rain...

[paulbudgen]

As a WRX owner, Subaru lover, and track-day junkee, I find these results questionable at the very least - the driver appears taking a earlier apex through the second cone on the Subaru (and a later apex on the other vehicles forcing them wide for the final cones). Disappointing

[666masster666]

Subaru Forester как всегда достойно!!! Только вот Николай с этим не согласен, говорит на "форе" водила сидел опытный))))

[ThomasKoster14]

Thats why my parents have a Subaru! =D

[Turbo2012Sonata]

While I think the driver's may have had a little bias towards the Forester, I do know Subaru's are known for their superior handling. Its funny how bad the Escape does, the Roll Stability Control system is so aggressive that it can hurt evasive maneuvers.

[sanilj]

I doubt the post-2010 Outback handles as good as the Forester in the video.

[SoDaSub]

@sanilj the outback would be just as impressive as the Forester. It has a longer wheelbase, but a lower center of gravity than the Forester as it's not as tall. The Forester did Motortrends Figure 8 test in 28.8 sec @ 0.56 g (avg) and the Outback 29.1 sec @ 0.56 g (avg). The difference would easily come down to driver, test day conditions, etc.

[cerwinvegafan]

@SoDaSub we have a 2011 outback and a 2012 legacy the outback has a problem with high speed maneuvering the ass slides out dangerously there is a video on youtube showing that

[CJDUBstang]

You wanna see BS, look at this guy's other Subaru vid certified by a "3rd party"...lol

[SoDaSub]

@CJDUBstang you are losing this argument because you have no facts to refute facts.

[CJDUBstang]

They forgot to mention you can only buy the subaru if you are a lesbian. Sorry boys. Also the ford does not look any different to the honda.

[SoDaSub]

@CJDUBstang Subaru's brand make up is 50% male and 50% female.

[CJDUBstang]

@SoDaSub Yes I'm sorry you're right. 50% gay male/metro 50% lesbian women

[SoDaSub]

@CJDUBstang childish. please stay objective

[NIGHTMAREuki]

were the same tires used on all cars?

[SoDaSub]

@NIGHTMAREuki No. Each vehicle was wearing the manufacture's original equipped tires.

[NIGHTMAREuki]

@SoDaSub Are you guys planing on making more ramp tests?

[sslaziomad]

God bless subaru..

[testdirver]

symetrical AWD, the boxter engine makes the big diference and of course the 50 50 weight distribution...Drive with confidence

[Pokemon7785]

This is bullshit. Thet only turned on ESP on the Subaru.

[SoDaSub]

@Pokemon7785 Most of the Subarus at that time didn't even come with traction and stability control. All cars with it available had it on.

[yellowcow13]

Im not quite seeing all equal driving and speeds for some reason.

[SoDaSub]

@yellowcow13 it's a compilation of over 2,000 tests. Every driver was able to drive each vehicle themselves and evaluate the differences.

[gadgetguy4000]

subarus awd system is nothing special trust me all they did was slap a couple lsd on each axel and called it a name that overrates it mitsubishis system is way better its even prooven to be the most advanced awd system in the world! nice try subaru but you still dont have what it takes to compete with mitsubishi

[SoDaSub]

@gadgetguy4000 You are wrong about Subaru's system and wrong about Mitsubishis as well.

[gadgetguy4000]

@SoDaSub noo i may not be right about subaru but it seems like they just put a few lsd's on the car....but im so totally right about the mitsubishi awd system with SUPER ALL WHEEL CONTROL it is proven to be the worlds most advanced awd system its in the videos and on websites real tests buddy, i do my research

[SoDaSub]

@gadgetguy4000 You're still wrong. What makes Mitsubishi's system better than Subaru's?

[gadgetguy4000]

@SoDaSub website and stats thats my proof and what makes it special is instead of lsd's they put individual sensors when a wheel is slipping excessively is puts power to the wheels which has the most traction. And when cornering it can be a 1 wheel drive vehicle to improve cornering with active yaw control and subarus is nothing close im very right

[gadgetguy4000]

@SoDaSub haha about the subaru top gear said the subaru wasnt as good as the evo and yes the subaru did beat it but in the america top gear the evo was wayyy faster and in uk top gear they used the least powerful evo against the most powerful subaruaround the track and they were both as powerful to keep it equal if they used the evo fq400 it wouldve beet that lambo ahead of them on the board subarus are good but most people preffer mitsubishi and one of them is me

[SoDaSub]

@gadgetguy4000 Jeremy Clarkson said it wasn't as good. He often takes controversial positions for entertainment. The UK top gear used the 300 hp EVO vs the 300 hp STI. The USDM STI does not have the same suspension set up as the rest of the world. It is softer because most owners use it as a daily driver. US Top gear had the evo .8s quicker than the STI.The Cosworth 400 STI is faster than the FQ 400 EVO.The STI FAR outsells the EVO which says most people prefer the STI.

[gadgetguy4000]

@SoDaSub he is factual and he said the subaru is too soft meaning too much body roll and the cosworth sti is not an car made by subaru its a company that adds hp and mods everything out to the max the top of the line sti has 300hp top of the line evo has 400 hp if you mod the evo to get 2000 hp it would be faster than a veyron see what i mean? stock engines are what count for fair racing

[SoDaSub]

@gadgetguy4000 You've driven the Euro STI so you know it's factual? Body roll on these cars isn't like driving a Camry. The STI was still faster. You realize that the FQ series EVOs were modified by Ralliart UK which was a performance company in UK that licensed the Ralliart name. They weren't actually Mitsu's branch of Ralliart. They've since changed their name to. Xtreme Uk. Like the Cosworth STI they build the cars and the UK Mitsu distributor offers them for sale under factory warranty.

[gadgetguy4000]

@SoDaSub if you drove the fq400 evo which is the top of the range and the 300hp subaru which is top of the range the evo would win hands down obviously but i see what your saying the subaru would be faster if it had the 400hp i still like the evo for its looks. And the subaru doesnt have many features on it while the mitsubishi has sat nav and dual zone climate control etc. The evo is faster in a straight line its where the subaru gets it in the corners since the wheelbase is shorter

[SoDaSub]

@gadgetguy4000 Mitsubishi does not make the FQ variants. Both the STI and EVO are shipped to their respective UK distributors as normal 300hp cars. Next they are tuned by 3rd parties (Cosworth for STI and Xtreme for EVO). They are then sold in dealerships with a factory warranty as the Cosworth STI and EVO FQ (Fucking Quick). This was done for a short while in the US with the ESX edition STIs. The Cosworth 400 STI is completely equitable to the EVO FQ for UK top of the range.

[SoDaSub]

@gadgetguy4000 Subaru also uses sensors at each wheel. Can you please point out Technologies? Publications? If you're referring to the STI not being as fast around a track as the USDM EVO, that is not an indicator of the AWD. The STI's suspension setup is different in the US than the rest of the world. Japan even has a different engine. Abroad, the STI readily beats the EVO as evidenced in Japan's Best Motoring and the UK's Top Gear.

[occckid123]

this is so bogus. No doubt the subie may be better but u can see from the vid that the other vehicles were "whipped" in the first corner wayyy harder than the subaru so correcting the cars balance was alot more hard than the smooth line of the subaru...

[SoDaSub]

@occckid123 In my opinion of viewing the video, the Subaru seemed like it was "whipped" more than anything else. You can tell by the fact it almost drifts around the corner.

[occckid123]

@SoDaSub im talking about the first turn where they set the car up 2 make the evasive maneuver

[SoDaSub]

@occckid123 I don't see it. If any company published something like this that was obviously tampered with, there would be a lawsuit, or a retaliatory video in a heartbeat. It's an independently conducted test. They had to do the test enough to definitively state the results.

[occckid123]

@SoDaSub idk 2 me it seemed the first initial turn in of the other vehicles were slightly more forced. in a situation like this; the perfect line matters and how the vehicle is pitched into the turn,...

[SoDaSub]

@occckid123 Check where they all start the turn vs the cones. The Forester follows all the way through the cones. This test had to be repeated several times to be independently certified. The results were the same.

[helloworldinthenet]

@occckid123 i see it too

[MakuthePOtHead]

hey now i know how a brick with wheels will drive on wet !

[SparkDischarge]

@Loscaldazar 1.Spindle Length and Scrub Radius are far more important than driveshaft length. The driveshaft length can be made equivalent by support bearings, which equalizes joint angles. The total distance from hub to differential is also important, that's why Mitsubishi put the EVO's front diff exactly in the middle[symmetric].

2.No apply pressure, no rear drive

3.There are longitudinal FWD cars.

4.Subaru sticks have an extra gear mesh to power the rear axle, because of inclined drivetrain.

[Loscaldazar]

@SparkDischarge

1.Differentials are also placed symmetrically in all Subaru's, unlike the competition (for the front diff).

2. I don't care what you say or think-Subaru AWD powers all the wheels the time-period. I don't think you get that. It's not a FWD until slippage is detected-it's true AWD.

3. I'm talking about the fact that every competitor to the forester was FWD first, had parts added to transfer power to the rear (PTO).

4. Compared to all the parts for FWD with parts to the rear?

[SparkDischarge]

@Loscaldazar The automatics' front differential are offset, slightly.

It does not, pull a fuse, and you will see why a mechanical system is better than electronic.

The provenance of the platform is rather irrelevant. The weight distribution is of more import.

Do we really want/need to count support bearings/joints?

and what are you getting at, what is your point? Bottom line it.

I like Subaru, I really wanted the Legacy with EZ30R+6 speed stick(check the video of 0-160kph), but that never came.

[Loscaldazar]

@SparkDischarge

Point-Subaru AWD is better than any of it's competition in both design and ability. Yes the Subaru's with manuals are better than auto/CVT but the auto AWD is still better and much different (powers all 4 wheels with or without slippage) than Ford, Honda, etc. They handle better in the snow and on dry pavement than competition. If you're wondering i drive a manual subaru because i like the manual AWD better-but the auto is still better than competition.

[SparkDischarge]

@Loscaldazar Close. Only Honda is limited to reactive engagement. Toyota has a lock switch, Nissan has a lock switch in the Murano, and could easily have on in the Rogue (cost cutting). Ford has migrated to a purely electric coupling. All of those can utilize preemptive transfer.

Handling advantage come from weight distribution.

[SoDaSub]

@SparkDischarge There is more to these AWD systems than fore and aft power distribution. Subaru's traction and stability control and ABS are all fully integrated with the AWD. A major drawback of designing a vehicle as 2WD and adding AWD is the logic behind the TSC and other systems is oftentimes engineered for controlling two wheels instead of 4. Subaru's system with VDC is able to intelligently manage all 4 wheels rather than just cutting power and and applying the brakes on the front wheels.

[SparkDischarge]

@SoDaSub All ESP systems can brake both axles. They are required to 'tame' oversteer-which necessitates braking the front, and handling understeer-which requires rear axle intervention.

[SoDaSub]

@SparkDischarge Yes, but not brake individual wheels, especially since a lot of these systems use a 3 channel/ 3 sensor ABS system. They can brake individually on the front wheels, but the rear axle as treated as one entity. You can't make exact corrections to wheel speed if you can't treat the inside and outside wheels separately.

[SoDaSub]

@SparkDischarge You don't pull a fuse to go FWD. You have to insert a fuse to go FWD. Even the VTD AWD vehicles with the planetary gearset have this capability as well. It's a remnant from needing to tow without damaging the system. There are far more traits inherit to Subaru's drivetrain layout other than direct impact of having a left and right balance.

[SparkDischarge]

@SoDaSub I'd like to see how enabling/disabling a circuit is going to shortcut a mechanical center differential.

Towing compatibility is about lubrication/cooling.

Subaru has the parking pawl on the front output shaft, not center differential.

[SparkDischarge]

@Loscaldazar Let me further explain it Subaru's 4 speed automatic/CVT are mechanically front wheel drive. There is a train of gears to transmit power to the front [open] differential. There is a clutch system where one set of clutches is mechanically connected to the front axle drivetrain. The other set of clutch plates is splined to the rear axle driveshaft. By controlling the clamping pressure to this clutch assembly, the power to the rear axle is controlled.

That is a PTO, power take off.

[SoDaSub]

@SparkDischarge Regardless of being a clutch pack system. the 4EAT/CVT systems are never 100% FWD. They are FWD biased at 90/10 for previous model years and are now 80/20 for torque split. That's the most power the front will have. It will vary in that range up to a 50/50 split.

[SparkDischarge]

@SoDaSub You are not understanding the design of the drivetrain. It is 100% front wheel drive, and by controlling hydraulic pressure, which controls the clutch apply torque, which controls static & dynamic frictional torque, that controls the torque split.

No apply clutch load = front wheel drive. However there is a small spring to keep things aligned, which does generate a nominal frictional torque.

Fully locked, the torque split will follow traction, which will match weight distribution 55/45.

[SoDaSub]

@SparkDischarge The system using electronics to control the clutch packs and vary torque splits. It is always in action and NEVER allows the system to be greater than 90/10 or 80/20 depending on vehicle. No matter how much throttle you give a normally aspirated active AWD equipped Subaru, you will never hear it chirp its front wheels while taking off from a stop on a wet road. The electronics will not allow the vehicle to send 100% of its torque up front while in motion.

[SparkDischarge]

This 'test' had nothing to do with the drivetrain.

This was a test of tires, weight distribution, height of center of mass, roll damping, and ESP. (and tire pressure too)

and 'AWD' all-wheel drive means nothing. Either you have a center differential or not.

Did this Subaru Forester have the 5 speed stick (which has a center differential, where the automatic does not)

[Loscaldazar]

@SparkDischarge

No this is also a test that shows full time AWD is better than part time, reactive systems. This shows that full time AWD helps you keep control of your car better and that the forester is a better handling car. Just because a car has a center differential doesn't mean they all perform the same. If you want a straight which car can transfer power better look at the other certified independent test done on rollers. The Forester wins that too :)

[SparkDischarge]

@Loscaldazar AWD is a meaningless marketing term.

If the Subaru had a manual transmission (did it?) then it has a center differential.

If the Subaru has an automatic transmission (which does not have a center differential) then it has the same kind of drivetrain as everyone else!

I kind of think this Subaru WAS a manual transmission, so when you lift off, you are then not applying all of your engine braking to one axle, hence less understeer.

Where was the full disclosure at?

[Loscaldazar]

@SparkDischarge

First of all Subaru's drive train is NOT the same (automatic or manual) as it's competition). It's a symmetrical drive train unlike the asymmetrical found in the competition. Second-automatic, manual, or CVT- this is showing that the full time AWD that Subaru offers is better. It's fulltime AWD on every type of transmission they offer. In the end though the Forester IS the best handling small SUV in it's class on any surface. Go test out an automatic-you will be surprised.

[Loscaldazar]

@SparkDischarge

First of all Subaru's drive train is NOT the same (automatic or manual) as it's competition). It's a symmetrical drive train unlike the asymmetrical found in the competition. Second-automatic, manual, or CVT- this is showing that the full time AWD that Subaru offers is better. It's fulltime AWD on every type of transmission they offer. In the end though the Forester IS the best handling small SUV in it's class on any surface. Go test out an automatic-you will be surprised.

[SparkDischarge]

@Loscaldazar 'Symmetric' is just another line from the marketing department.

It is the same, the automatic utilizes front wheel drive + PTO system. Which IS the same as the Ford Escape, RAV4, Nissan Rogue, Honda CR-V.

Full-time/Part-time is obfuscation derived from the 1970's when the US automakers removed their center differentials, yet still called their vehicles four wheel drive. Either you have a center differential or you do not.

Not until the Forester gets modern transmissions. (and D4-S!)

[SoDaSub]

@SparkDischarge You are incorrect. It uses a clutch plack, but the integration and approach is completely different. It monitors wheel spin, gear, braking, throttle, and steering to transfer power front and back. It is both active and reactive. You can easily search for a picture of Subaru's drivetrain to see it is equal left and right. It's the only longitudally mounted drivetrain of any of these vehicles. All of the others are transversely mounted and thus have unequal length drive shafts.

[SoDaSub]

@SparkDischarge Every vehicle in this test was an automatic. It doesn't have the same drivetrain as any of the other vehicles.

[SparkDischarge]

@SparkDischarge Subaru(s) do have an advantage of leading link steering, which gives better steering feel, contrasted with the trailing link of transverse engine vehicles.

This may allow for an expert driver to not input too much steer angle, and hence not generate terminal understeer.

[one of GM's tricks of 'stabilitrak' (in Cadillac) was to use the magnetic assist steering system, to cancel driver input when ESP intervention was underway]

[yeojboy]

if you think its fixed, sue them, duh!!

[bekimA16]

fixed test!

[SoDaSub]

@bekimA16 If by fixed you mean independently verified, sure.

[bekimA16]

@SoDaSub no i mean fixed by the car maker!

[SoDaSub]

@bekimA16 The test was done independent of the car maker.

[ocean9735]

Subarus rule, this is one of MANY MANY videos and tests to back that argument.

[k2sb20033]

sorry but this is more of a test of tires not awd

[SoDaSub]

@k2sb20033 obviously not.

[ocean9735]

A Subaru with worn tires will still beat the others.

[chinkyeyes86]

@k2sb20033 I think the tires and AWD work together..but, without good tires, AWD isnt going to mean shyt...

[FratiSiciliani2790]

Hey, if you don't want the greatest AWD system and traction system that's your problem.

[MrWhatabeach]

The forester started the turns early

[SoDaSub]

@MrWhatabeach It's pretty easy to tell that they all turn in at the same time. How the turn commences from there is based on how the TSC systems for each vehicle reacted.



[MrWhatabeach]

@SoDaSub like i said the forester turned early

[JOFEALVI]

I love my Subaru Forester XT 2009...with 230 hp..!!! is incredible fast with the Turbo...I have now 19000 kms in the odometer...!!

[814gt]

@JOFEALVI I have 2010 forester XT and 2011 wrx limited...love them both!!

[bcv001]

wish to see subaru's awd compare to 4matic ,xdrive and quattro ! thank you , great video !

[Loscaldazar]

@bcv001

Those are luxury brand AWD so probably never going to happen since Subaru doesn't compete with them. I would like to see it too just to see how Subie does.

[wladimirelo]

@bcv001 I want the same comparison