stupid video passion of the Christ was based on that shroud now tell me if you'd survive that. pierce your heart if you live then probably ill believe that crap stupid people with stupid issues. you just created that to be famuos, heh another Satan who wants fame. bwahahahahaha rott in hell. muhahahahahaha ahahahaha be with Satan forever
I grew up the Church by the Way .. Fact: Archeology Evidence None from King Solomn, Queen Sheba, King David, No ARk of the Convenant, no Holy Grail, Multiple Shrouds Circulating in the Centuries, Fact: Shrouds in those times werent a One Piece Cloth more like many Straps of cloths. Destroying to image transfer claims.. and the Image on the Shroud isnt tall enough to be Jesus
@SwaggerLikeUz So you think these stories were all made up? Peter and Paul were fictional characters, or made up the story? Or they did not exist either? How about Caesar or Solomon? Where is the archeological evidence they existed?
@TrueNovice ..yes i think all them are fake , I dont know about Ceasar i think he really Existed im focusing on Religious figure within the Bible. My mind is always open and never closed to anyone elses piont of veiw or beliefs. This is bigger than Religion its about where humans come from , its about this Universe full of other life' not just about Earth. This is About Africa's ancient history where really all religion comes from? ..or originates. Did U know there was more than one Shroud
@SwaggerLikeUz . The fact that other artifacts have been proven fakes would hardly discredit one that has not been discredited. The scientists can't seem to determine how this Shroud has been created if in fact it is not what it purports to be. I don't know how open your mind is when you've already decided it's fake based on your lack of knowledge.
@TrueNovice Hey ok , the Story of David versus Goliah , is also not a firsthand account obviously told second hand or even just a mythical story passed on.. Fact! the Armor that wore thats described in the Bible wasnt even invented Yet. That description within the Bible of his Armor didnt come to fruition until hundreds of years later. This is true, Im not saying you shouldnt be a Good person i have no problem with anyones beliefs. But , me Personally i think Religion invented to Control us
@TrueNovice Hey yea theres a Shroud but, just because its Exists doesnt make it an Official Relic to make Jesus Credible. You never heard about the image on the Shroud is to Short to be Jesus? ..You definitely need to keep up with all the Facts, and just because theres a image on a Cloth, dont make it Credible. I think the EXample of Jesus is Role model matter fact I dont hate on Any Religion Im talking about all Religions in General. There is a God , but these Messaihs are man made
@SwaggerLikeUz I think everything else you say about the midget Jesus is just a figment of your imagination, but if you want to go on believing, it's fine with me, as long as you remain a "good person." But keep in mind I'm probably just saying that to "control' you. Feel free to maintain your silly beliefs as long as they don't harm others. They can't scientifically explain how the image on the shroud was created that's how it differs from fraudulent relics.
@TrueNovice I got a question for your do U know about the Banned books from the Bible ? If you dont i challenge you to check in to it either by Searching online or buying a Dvd maybe. In the Beginning there was no Bible just books that early christian sets or groups read and was apart of their beliefs. Did U know one of the earliest Christians sects believed the God of this world was Evil, and they were Called the "Gnostics' . That was just one group of christians , others disagreed.
@SwaggerLikeUz There were numerous books about Jesus, who according to you did not exist. The church decided what books and letters would make up the bible. Few people could read and since the printing press was not invented each book had to be laboriously copied by hand.
@TrueNovice The image is not a midget , but a short Guy who is this person poytrayed on this Shround? ...to me its inconclusive! Fact there was mulptiple Shrouds circulating back in those Times. And this topic is old to me TrueNovice, ive moved passed silly "whose religion is tha best or real debates" . They all come from Ancient Africa, and the Bible is a Rewritting of the Sumerian stories, and the AnnuNaki , and Horus. Fact is "a Shroud in those times were Straps of Cloths. Wake up
@TrueNovice The hieght part of it came into question because most of the jews that were men were not short . The image on the shroud is a man whose only like 5'7 i think , buddy if i find this link or a clip i'll send it to u. I only saw this once but, was pretty interesting my friend. And I never said i was Mr. Know it All and was a Scholar or even Einstein but, one thing i know is that history is wrong. We mostly fight over stuff thats made up and not the original story my friend.
@SwaggerLikeUz You should check out the vid called "Shroud - new evidence - BBC Special - part 1 of 5". I expect its about the most up to date, and I think they said somewhere that the images indicates a tall man, somewhere over 6 ft tall.
@TrueNovice I found out about Leanardo's biography and he is suspected in fabricating one of the shrouds that were circulating during his lifetime. If U dont know he was one of the only people who could of pull it off ..!!! he studied died human bodies, he was probably the first person to experimenting with taking pictures developing images back then, he was in the same Region where one of the Shrouds were..during his lifetime.
@TrueNovice Fact: Even the National Geographic did a story early this year on this Topic of the Shroud with all the lastest evidence facts, Etc. Fact in those day if Jesus died and the Cross ,he would of had to be buried the Same day. That was the Tradition then? .. Fact: The image on the Shroud is too short to be Jesus its a real short person., and last in those days a "Shroud was never a one piece cloth. Fact it was straps of cloths , so how did an image of a whole man get on a strap
@TrueNovice Have you ever heard of the "Book of Enoch" ..??? he was in Genesis and the Bible barely mentions him in Genesis. The interesting thing is the Bible said he walked with God and God took him , but Why? The Bible leaves you hanging time and time again, and why not but tell us more my friend. Ok, my piont is "The Book of Enoch" is about why? God supposely took him he was an important guy. This Book is banned and was not included when the bible was formed. Sad ...
@SwaggerLikeUz Last thing The "Book of Enoch" was one of the most popular books in Christianity at First. This Book was soo popular that it was more popular than any Book within are current "Bibles" . The Amazing thing in it is that it tells about how the Beings , or Aliens, or Falling Angels come down and interbred with the human women. Now the reason why? Arab women wear hair Scarfs comes from this Story, they wear those as a Traditional scarfs in an attempt to not tempt the Sprits ..
@SwaggerLikeUz ..And on Solomon theres no Evidence that he lived none what so Ever, and theres no Evidence for Kind David either. Shocking but, Sad, and True. And Paul doest say Jesus name not once ..in the bible so ask yourself was he talking about a Real person. Matter of fact there was Messaihs who died on Crosses before Jesus. The Shroud 2000 years ago wasnt a Whole Cloth , Fact it was multiple Straps of Cloth this is True!
@TrueNovice ..its funny to me cause i never said he was a Midget, I challenge you to watch the "National Geographic Channel" or go to there Website to order a Program they did about Jesus so-called Tomb. The Experts , the Archeologists, the Historical historians of the Jews, and Pounced on the inconsistencies of this Supposed real Real . This Shroud of Turin, the Hieght i mentioned" was a great piont because the image on the Shroud was in Conflict with the biblical hieght of Jesus.
@SwaggerLikeUz So you bought into the "tomb of Jesus" fraud. That explains your nonsense. The money making Jesus tomb scam was exposed long ago. They actually had a factory to manufacture these Ossuary "artifact." You are a guy watches a slanted documentary that reinforces his own perjudice and thinks he knows something. And just for laughs tell us what the "biblical height of Jesus" is or was. Where did the "experts" find that? This I gotta hear.
@TrueNovice Thanks i'll check it out and my minds always open by the way.. I have this great autobiography about Leanardo Devinci I wish i could Upload to Youtube. People forget that during Leanardo's Lifetime there was a Shroud circulating then and that one was widely known as a Fabrication. Some even think the Leanardo was behind that fabricated hoax of a Shroud. And most People dont know that there was more than one Shroud, and thats were the Controversy comes from.
@SwaggerLikeUz -Don't know where you get your info from but most of your statements are false.Most writings on LDV creating the Shroud is all 'fabrication' not a factual comment is made in the film or book>all speculation.The Shroud has been proven to be, at the very least, 1300 yrs old-R.Rogers (peer-reviewed paper)-ThermoChimica Acta-2005.Please don't base your facts on 'Videos' go to shroud.com for scientific papers and documents filled with facts on the Shroud or checkout shroudstory..
@Flagrum3 As for the church deciding what to discard or keep years ago...There was a purpose! They choice scriptures/gospels that they felt were written by either first hand witnesses or direct 2nd hand followers.Most of the 'Kept" gospels were written within 2 generations of Christ's death.Which is one stipulation/method still used today by Historians.Also there were not multiple shrouds circulating back then most were artist depictions of the true Shroud we see here but 'painted' versions.
Whether ..makes you a better person, Good, but Historically accurately speaking Religion is Fake. The Church didnt invent righteous principles..Fact: this world is millions of years old. Its really about being Spiritual, praying for things , not praying to Jesus or Mahummad , or Buhdah. If you cant read.. How can these Messaihs reach you.. if you lived in "a Cave" how would you know about these Messiahs, its not Real.
well no one can recreat the great pyramid of geza either and theyve dont calculations to where to cut each stone and put it into place would have had to be 9 seconds no one can do that either unless you beleive in ufo's
@MJCraddock - Well, I'd believe it's a fake if someone could exactly replicate it.
To this date, nobody has even come close.
Catholic Encyclopedia : A certain difficulty was caused by the existence elsewhere of other Shrouds similarly impressed with the figure of Jesus Christ and some of these cloths are, notably those of Besançon, Cadouin, Champiègne, Xabregas, etc.
stupid video passion of the Christ was based on that shroud now tell me if you'd survive that. pierce your heart if you live then probably ill believe that crap stupid people with stupid issues. you just created that to be famuos, heh another Satan who wants fame. bwahahahahaha rott in hell. muhahahahahaha ahahahaha be with Satan forever
cram019 11 months ago
stupid video passion of the Christ was based on that shroud now tell me if you'd survive that
cram019 11 months ago
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God, Our Lord and King Jesus Christ let bless You!!!
It`s the TRUE and everyone should compare that 3d picture(Manoppello) to the 2d. shroud of Turin to be sure not some fictional models!!!
Poor face of God beaten to death for our sins!
How people can say they don`t love Him-they dont have heart?
JezusSlave 1 year ago
Fact: Dinosaurs existed The Archeological evidence proves it time and time again.
That was.. from Millions years ago! ...Lightyears before the Religions
But we Cant find Archeological evidence for People, Relics,Etc .. just around 3000 years ago ...
SwaggerLikeUz 1 year ago
I grew up the Church by the Way .. Fact: Archeology Evidence None from King Solomn, Queen Sheba, King David, No ARk of the Convenant, no Holy Grail, Multiple Shrouds Circulating in the Centuries, Fact: Shrouds in those times werent a One Piece Cloth more like many Straps of cloths. Destroying to image transfer claims.. and the Image on the Shroud isnt tall enough to be Jesus
SwaggerLikeUz 1 year ago
@SwaggerLikeUz So you think these stories were all made up? Peter and Paul were fictional characters, or made up the story? Or they did not exist either? How about Caesar or Solomon? Where is the archeological evidence they existed?
TrueNovice 1 year ago
@TrueNovice ..yes i think all them are fake , I dont know about Ceasar i think he really Existed im focusing on Religious figure within the Bible. My mind is always open and never closed to anyone elses piont of veiw or beliefs. This is bigger than Religion its about where humans come from , its about this Universe full of other life' not just about Earth. This is About Africa's ancient history where really all religion comes from? ..or originates. Did U know there was more than one Shroud
SwaggerLikeUz 1 year ago
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SwaggerLikeUz 1 year ago
@SwaggerLikeUz . The fact that other artifacts have been proven fakes would hardly discredit one that has not been discredited. The scientists can't seem to determine how this Shroud has been created if in fact it is not what it purports to be. I don't know how open your mind is when you've already decided it's fake based on your lack of knowledge.
TrueNovice 1 year ago
@TrueNovice Hey ok , the Story of David versus Goliah , is also not a firsthand account obviously told second hand or even just a mythical story passed on.. Fact! the Armor that wore thats described in the Bible wasnt even invented Yet. That description within the Bible of his Armor didnt come to fruition until hundreds of years later. This is true, Im not saying you shouldnt be a Good person i have no problem with anyones beliefs. But , me Personally i think Religion invented to Control us
SwaggerLikeUz 1 year ago
@TrueNovice Hey yea theres a Shroud but, just because its Exists doesnt make it an Official Relic to make Jesus Credible. You never heard about the image on the Shroud is to Short to be Jesus? ..You definitely need to keep up with all the Facts, and just because theres a image on a Cloth, dont make it Credible. I think the EXample of Jesus is Role model matter fact I dont hate on Any Religion Im talking about all Religions in General. There is a God , but these Messaihs are man made
SwaggerLikeUz 1 year ago
@SwaggerLikeUz I think everything else you say about the midget Jesus is just a figment of your imagination, but if you want to go on believing, it's fine with me, as long as you remain a "good person." But keep in mind I'm probably just saying that to "control' you. Feel free to maintain your silly beliefs as long as they don't harm others. They can't scientifically explain how the image on the shroud was created that's how it differs from fraudulent relics.
TrueNovice 1 year ago
@TrueNovice I got a question for your do U know about the Banned books from the Bible ? If you dont i challenge you to check in to it either by Searching online or buying a Dvd maybe. In the Beginning there was no Bible just books that early christian sets or groups read and was apart of their beliefs. Did U know one of the earliest Christians sects believed the God of this world was Evil, and they were Called the "Gnostics' . That was just one group of christians , others disagreed.
SwaggerLikeUz 1 year ago
@SwaggerLikeUz There were numerous books about Jesus, who according to you did not exist. The church decided what books and letters would make up the bible. Few people could read and since the printing press was not invented each book had to be laboriously copied by hand.
TrueNovice 1 year ago
@TrueNovice The image is not a midget , but a short Guy who is this person poytrayed on this Shround? ...to me its inconclusive! Fact there was mulptiple Shrouds circulating back in those Times. And this topic is old to me TrueNovice, ive moved passed silly "whose religion is tha best or real debates" . They all come from Ancient Africa, and the Bible is a Rewritting of the Sumerian stories, and the AnnuNaki , and Horus. Fact is "a Shroud in those times were Straps of Cloths. Wake up
SwaggerLikeUz 1 year ago
@TrueNovice The hieght part of it came into question because most of the jews that were men were not short . The image on the shroud is a man whose only like 5'7 i think , buddy if i find this link or a clip i'll send it to u. I only saw this once but, was pretty interesting my friend. And I never said i was Mr. Know it All and was a Scholar or even Einstein but, one thing i know is that history is wrong. We mostly fight over stuff thats made up and not the original story my friend.
SwaggerLikeUz 1 year ago
@SwaggerLikeUz You should check out the vid called "Shroud - new evidence - BBC Special - part 1 of 5". I expect its about the most up to date, and I think they said somewhere that the images indicates a tall man, somewhere over 6 ft tall.
UppsalaDragby 1 year ago
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@TrueNovice I found out about Leanardo's biography and he is suspected in fabricating one of the shrouds that were circulating during his lifetime. If U dont know he was one of the only people who could of pull it off ..!!! he studied died human bodies, he was probably the first person to experimenting with taking pictures developing images back then, he was in the same Region where one of the Shrouds were..during his lifetime.
SwaggerLikeUz 1 year ago
@TrueNovice Fact: Even the National Geographic did a story early this year on this Topic of the Shroud with all the lastest evidence facts, Etc. Fact in those day if Jesus died and the Cross ,he would of had to be buried the Same day. That was the Tradition then? .. Fact: The image on the Shroud is too short to be Jesus its a real short person., and last in those days a "Shroud was never a one piece cloth. Fact it was straps of cloths , so how did an image of a whole man get on a strap
SwaggerLikeUz 1 year ago
@SwaggerLikeUz The man on the shroud was really short, according to you. So you don't think Jesus existed but you do know how tall he was?
TrueNovice 1 year ago
@TrueNovice Have you ever heard of the "Book of Enoch" ..??? he was in Genesis and the Bible barely mentions him in Genesis. The interesting thing is the Bible said he walked with God and God took him , but Why? The Bible leaves you hanging time and time again, and why not but tell us more my friend. Ok, my piont is "The Book of Enoch" is about why? God supposely took him he was an important guy. This Book is banned and was not included when the bible was formed. Sad ...
SwaggerLikeUz 1 year ago
@SwaggerLikeUz Last thing The "Book of Enoch" was one of the most popular books in Christianity at First. This Book was soo popular that it was more popular than any Book within are current "Bibles" . The Amazing thing in it is that it tells about how the Beings , or Aliens, or Falling Angels come down and interbred with the human women. Now the reason why? Arab women wear hair Scarfs comes from this Story, they wear those as a Traditional scarfs in an attempt to not tempt the Sprits ..
SwaggerLikeUz 1 year ago
@SwaggerLikeUz ..And on Solomon theres no Evidence that he lived none what so Ever, and theres no Evidence for Kind David either. Shocking but, Sad, and True. And Paul doest say Jesus name not once ..in the bible so ask yourself was he talking about a Real person. Matter of fact there was Messaihs who died on Crosses before Jesus. The Shroud 2000 years ago wasnt a Whole Cloth , Fact it was multiple Straps of Cloth this is True!
SwaggerLikeUz 1 year ago
@TrueNovice ..its funny to me cause i never said he was a Midget, I challenge you to watch the "National Geographic Channel" or go to there Website to order a Program they did about Jesus so-called Tomb. The Experts , the Archeologists, the Historical historians of the Jews, and Pounced on the inconsistencies of this Supposed real Real . This Shroud of Turin, the Hieght i mentioned" was a great piont because the image on the Shroud was in Conflict with the biblical hieght of Jesus.
SwaggerLikeUz 1 year ago
@SwaggerLikeUz So you bought into the "tomb of Jesus" fraud. That explains your nonsense. The money making Jesus tomb scam was exposed long ago. They actually had a factory to manufacture these Ossuary "artifact." You are a guy watches a slanted documentary that reinforces his own perjudice and thinks he knows something. And just for laughs tell us what the "biblical height of Jesus" is or was. Where did the "experts" find that? This I gotta hear.
TrueNovice 1 year ago
@TrueNovice Thanks i'll check it out and my minds always open by the way.. I have this great autobiography about Leanardo Devinci I wish i could Upload to Youtube. People forget that during Leanardo's Lifetime there was a Shroud circulating then and that one was widely known as a Fabrication. Some even think the Leanardo was behind that fabricated hoax of a Shroud. And most People dont know that there was more than one Shroud, and thats were the Controversy comes from.
SwaggerLikeUz 1 year ago
@SwaggerLikeUz -Don't know where you get your info from but most of your statements are false.Most writings on LDV creating the Shroud is all 'fabrication' not a factual comment is made in the film or book>all speculation.The Shroud has been proven to be, at the very least, 1300 yrs old-R.Rogers (peer-reviewed paper)-ThermoChimica Acta-2005.Please don't base your facts on 'Videos' go to shroud.com for scientific papers and documents filled with facts on the Shroud or checkout shroudstory..
Flagrum3 1 year ago
@Flagrum3 As for the church deciding what to discard or keep years ago...There was a purpose! They choice scriptures/gospels that they felt were written by either first hand witnesses or direct 2nd hand followers.Most of the 'Kept" gospels were written within 2 generations of Christ's death.Which is one stipulation/method still used today by Historians.Also there were not multiple shrouds circulating back then most were artist depictions of the true Shroud we see here but 'painted' versions.
Flagrum3 1 year ago
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SwaggerLikeUz 1 year ago
Whether ..makes you a better person, Good, but Historically accurately speaking Religion is Fake. The Church didnt invent righteous principles..Fact: this world is millions of years old. Its really about being Spiritual, praying for things , not praying to Jesus or Mahummad , or Buhdah. If you cant read.. How can these Messaihs reach you.. if you lived in "a Cave" how would you know about these Messiahs, its not Real.
SwaggerLikeUz 1 year ago
Respect of Faith... EVen im catholic, i am interested in Islam.
taneaux 1 year ago
Jesus did die on the cross, they buried him you know. It's obvious whoever posted this video is a muslim who has to deny that Jesus is God.
micah1116 2 years ago
no evidence of death..sorry...just hear say
fattytoads 2 years ago
well no one can recreat the great pyramid of geza either and theyve dont calculations to where to cut each stone and put it into place would have had to be 9 seconds no one can do that either unless you beleive in ufo's
classical193 2 years ago
most likely was alien intervention as we cannot recreate the pyramids today
fattytoads 2 years ago
Well, I'd believe it's a fake if someone could exactly replicate it.
To this date, nobody has even come close.
MJCraddock 3 years ago 2
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@MJCraddock - Well, I'd believe it's a fake if someone could exactly replicate it.
To this date, nobody has even come close.
Catholic Encyclopedia : A certain difficulty was caused by the existence elsewhere of other Shrouds similarly impressed with the figure of Jesus Christ and some of these cloths are, notably those of Besançon, Cadouin, Champiègne, Xabregas, etc.
Matthew1944 2 years ago
this is not evidence 1200 CE is a bit late
Lespauls92 3 years ago