FYI: -Beautiful piece of Indus.-design (-stylish up-sweeping tail later inspired swoopie taillight-fins on 1948-'49 Cads.); -and although used in a needless nightmarish WW2 conflict of USA Jews declaring war upon Germany; -we're slowly realizing we were duped into fighting against the knowing pleas of Gen.-Chas.Lindbergh and anti-Communist St.Hitler, whom warned of the real enemy being jewZionist King Rothschilds warmongering Bank'ster-mafia whom are still today Fraud'closing on millions.!!!
Luftwaffe pilots were some of the best. They also fought with honor. If you want a real story of aerial chivalry in the skies over Europe during WWII, search: "Charlie Brown and Franz Stigler".
It is also a known fact that after the "Night of the Long Knives" in June 1934 and Hindenberg's passing in August 1934 that Werner Eduard Fritz von Blomberg personally ordered all soldiers in the army to pledge the "Reichswehreid" (Oath of Allegiance), not to "Volk and Fatherland," not to the Constitution and not to the German State, but to the Führer of the German People, Adolph Hitler. Later, in 1935, Blomberg became Commander-in-Chief of the Armed Forces, then first "Generalfeldmarschall."
Yes' Germany can dominate this world for years and years, through engineering and manufacturing of superior products to name a few Mercedes,Stihl,Bosch,Forschner,Braun,Krupp, the list goes on and on. If it isnt a tangible product,it is an idea, strategy or leadership.Eisenhower,Schwarzkopf or coaches in football and Qb's.Wannestedt,Roethlisberger,Hasselbeck,Neuheisel. The country is a leader in Eu high GDP economy.My father was in the US Army under Patton 3rd army,95th div. Normandy.
@mistressofaminer <----and after having emerged victorious over the Germans, usGen.Geo.Patton lamented, --saying he to late discovered USA had been fighting the wrong foe, --that he found the Jews were the criminal scum of the earth, and that St.Hitler was valiant in his struggle to defeat jew-Communism and the warmongering Rothschild Bank'ster-mafia that is today ruthlessly casting millions of out of work American families into the street by means of their greed driven insatiable usury.!!!
Red Army plays the heavy ground game and shows up at your door-step. Game-over.As for that movie "Das Boot", that is meaningless, U-boat, submarine warfare? just fly overhead to Germany and bomb the country and put your army's boots on their ground.Lacking size, coastlines,large numbers and no axis protection. Italy was a fair-weathered friend.WW1 results failed, WW2 ,same result with the idea put to rest.
The land-locked country of Germany needless to say did well and for there size but their ultimate goals were inconceivable especially when you wake up a sleeping bear on the eastern front,Russia.Land-locked translation, no navy, they must answer to Britain to get ocean-bound. With Germany occupied fighting multiple fronts, few are able to guard the fatherland.Red Army sends thousands of T-34's and soldiers, Berlin is in submission.Smart engineering people they are but idealism is a pipe dream.
The funny thing is, despite all these youtube comments about nazis this and that, those flyboys on both sides who actually fought in the war and actually suffered the losses....have met years later and ate dinner together or become friends. Grow the fuck up.
@sheemsheem Aye, that's why the RAF and USAF hammered the Luftwaffe? Granted, German "aces" were the best... but their forces as a whole, were not. Their aircraft were well out-matched by 1943. Even in 1941, the average 109 couldn't successfully take on a spitfire. I think credit is due to some of the allied forces too.
These pilots were better and braver. Going up to the skys knowing your at a 10-1 disadvantage takes serious balls. Remember at the beginning of the Allied bombing campaign the Luftwaffe was delivering serious blows to allied air forces. Making bomber command re-think their tactics and question the effectiveness of the bombing. Even against these odds.
The Luftwaffe was a well trained and experienced bunch of guys. They showed no fear and had some of the best aircraft in WW2. One of the main reason they faded out after mid 1944 was lack of fuel and proper replacements (in pilots and machines). But when it came to ballsy heroism, its hard to find a braver bunch of guys than the USAF B-17 crews. What they went through in the skies over Germany 1942 & 1943 was horrendous. God bless all those young guys, heroes one & all !
@keysphilip And how about pilots that fought in RAF while their country was occupied by Germany and when they returned after war to their homeland, instead of being called heroes they were inprisoned by Communists by their own people.
@Leon1700 Yes, what happened to many Poles who returned to their country under Soviet rule was a tragedy. Stalin's USSR was almost as bad as Hitler's Third Reich. But the point I was making re USAF in WW2 Europe was that they were sent into an inferno 2 year air battle above Germany which was not (directly) their war. It was Japan that outright attacked the USA not Germany.
Re the Polish who fought for the Allies, they were all heroes too. Very brave people and a great nation.
There was NO DISGRACE in being a German Luftwaffe Pilot in this .. the Air Battle / Bombing Campaign by the Allies. Put that bastard HITLER aside, just for a moment. These grand, brave Luftwaffe pilots were defending their homeland in this ongoing air-battle. And in a reverse situation, where another foreign power kept increasing its upper hand in a battle .. who wouldn't do the same as the German Boys of the Luftwaffe did .. think about it. Blame Hitler if you want .. BUT NOT these boys.
@colindominy Yeah, it was so ethical of the Allies like the US and Britain to firebomb civilians in Dreseden. That was really nice of us. Let's attack the civilian population with white phosphorous bombs to punish them by literally burning them alive. Fools need to separate the real soldiers from the death camp guards and killers. Most of the Wehrmacht were just soliders fighting for one another and for Fatherland. I respect the hell out of the Wehrmacht because there was none better.
@kmapes : yep, I agree with your viewpoint re The Dresden Disgrace + the Hi-Calibre & Patriotism of the fabulous Wehrmacht & their superior military hardware etc, 100%. Good on you & thanks for writing.
@colindominy I blame everyone who didn't walk away from the German machine. They WERE GREAT Pilots but working for evil. I blame them. They were defending Hitler. Just sayin. I can see that alot of people don't agree with me. That's cool. I am allowed to have opinions cuz we beat hitler.
i salute those brave men in those fortresses for not only going in to those sorts of scraps during the day but for hammering those .50s in the face of a 109 coming the other way with a couple 13s and a couple of 20s pumping back at them
u need to harden up bowchickawowbow i dont care that u think they are still nazis take a concrete pill u moron it wasent them that did the crime it was a select few how would u like to be punished for a crime an ancestor of ur family comitted fukn retard
@lerat0 Yeah but the P-82 Twin Mustang was designed to escort large bombers to their targets & back, so I dont see why they counldn't have sent some of those
DIe einzig wahren Helden waren die LW Piloten. Sie flogen in einen schon verlorenen Kampf nur mit dem Gedanken jeder Bomber ist einer weniger der deutsche Städte bombadieren kann. Und das hatte nichts mit den Nazis zutun den die Männer hatten Familie die inden Städten waren die durch den Bombenterror starben unschuldige Menschen. Außerdem jeder mit Anstand und noch ein bisschen Moral würde seine Heimat verteidigen egal von wem oder für welchen Zweck sie attackiert wurde.Für mich waren das Helden
Do you know the history of the 8 air force of U.S.A? They has started the war in 28.000 and they has finished the war in only 53!!! Glory at Germany, Glory at Luftwaffe!
@EtheralFusion At the risk of damning the Soviets, did they not enter into an agreement with Hitler to attack Poland from the east while The Germans attacked from the west? No honor among thieves it would seem.
@dividednation44 We cornered them because every country they invaded they enslaved the population and mass raped every female in sight from age 10 and up. Therefore they got nuked back to the stone age and we rebuilt the country into a major economic force with Zero military. Not to bad for a buncha 'ole rednecks. Planet saved Japan cured of militarist. end of story. Next.
@nimbalo300 All SDF personnel are technically civilians: those in uniform are classified as special civil servants and are subordinate to the ordinary civil servants who run the Ministry of Defense. Info from wikipedia
Not trying to say you are wrong, but I think we are both correct in one way or another.
hey swedish shit so youre gonna kick ass eh?? too brave in youtube eh? bitch? youre nothing but a big mouth scumbag bluff shit ,, hey bitch my grandpha was in the ss divison ukrainshe Nr.1fighting the jew commie scum, and im in the Vympel Spetsnaz unit ,youre gonna kick my ass too eh? ill crush your coward jew ass in 2 seconds jew rat,, 6 million rats kiled including your scum ancestors fuck you
politics aside, these are brave soldiers and airmen. each side considers the other combatants as evil or bad guys. but each side fought bravely in the face of fierce gun fire. bad guys or not, they are all heroes in their own countries.
The fight was fair, with piston engines, each respectively were matched.
Imagine a 262 tearing through that formation. b17 gunners not even given the chance to lead the jet aircraft before it was gone. Gieven immediate production, might of changed the war. Thank god hitler was crazy.
I once read a book (romantic fiction) set during WW2, in which the navigator baled out of his Halifax via the bomb bay. The author must have seen this clip!
Good, no background hardcore rock music, nice video.
B-17 crews are brave to go up there as a big target or AA fire or from the Luftwaffe, and Luftwaffe pilots are also brave for what they did, getting right behind them in right in a face of the rear gunner who could've shot the pilots
@123mrabcde Sicher von Vögeln , die wie Du keine Ahnung haben. Jeder halbwegs gebildete Mensch kennt diesen Ausspruch und weiß auch wer ihn benutzt hat. Dieser Satz wurde von Claus Schenk Graf von Stauffenberg verwendet, nachdem sein Attentat und Staatsstreich gegen Hitler und das Nazi-Regime fehl schlug und er im Hof des Bendlerblocks erschossen wurde. An dieser Aussage ist so viel "Nazi" wie an der Aussage "God bless the USA" Erst denken, dann posten ;)
@123mrabcde Aber doch nicht mehr seit Tom Cruise die Hautrolle in der Hollywood-Verfilmung spielte.
Durfte feststellen, das insbesondere Amerikaner ab ca. 25 Jahren sich hervorragend mit der Deutschen Geschichte auskennen. Davon mal abgesehen, ist es weniger das Ausland welches so verbissen mit der Deutschen Geschichte umgeht, sondern im großen und ganzen nur die Deutschen selbst. In der Regel wird doch schon im Kindesalter mit erhobenen Zeigefinger vom Tätervolk und "unserer Schuld" berichtet.
@123mrabcde Wen interessiert es, was die Amis denken ? Wir sind nicht jene die Fremde Länder Annektieren, unter dem Vorwand sie hätten Massenvernichtungswaffen. Was andere über uns bzw. mich denken spielt für mich keine Rolle, insbesondere dann wenn sie selbst unendlich viel Dreck am stecken haben.
Back then it was saving ourselves from total destruction, today it only means that we are pissing off people who truely are a waste to Freedoms true meaning. Don't get me wrong, I want peace but try telling that to a man with a 9cm mustache and a sexual fantasy for watching certain ethnicities burn in large furnaces.
@EStreetRoller Where's your proof aside from american hollywood films jackass? Suppose you look at what americans did to the American Indians and also what the British did to the population in India and Ireland. We Germans are Mother Teresa compared to you lunatics. You can't do anything except point your finger at us so the world doesn't see your own crimes against humanity.
that's a bit drastic to tell, but yes, we germans aren't the only ones who have committed genocide and slaughtered hundreds of thousands ppl.
the only reason fingers are pointed at us for this sake is - we were last (so least time passed) and we did it in an industrial scale.
i don't want to settle this down - this was a big crime and shouldn't be repeated. But we - who live now - have nothing to do with it - ad i don't want to be judged by what those lunatics did
@JheakrynaKyAlur Well said. Madness does is not the exclusive property of one nation. There's planty of blame to go around. If only humanity could learn from it's mistakes.
@JheakrynaKyAlur Hitler did give you all a bad rep. Anytime anyone thinks of Germans , they instantly think of Hitler and the ww2 times.. and ,.. nazi. :|
@JheakrynaKyAlur Us, with knowledge of WW2, don't blame Germans, we blame Nazi Germany. We also know that not all Germans felt the same way and that if such thoughts were spoken it would have meant certain death. It's those that never payed attention in history class that make the rest of us look bad. Sad to say, the world made some of it's greatest advancements in technology during WW2. Most were to keep up with Germany's scientists. We learn from our mistakes and move on.
A test done just after WW2 in the US found that the majority of the world population is susceptible to authority even when asked to do something that is morally wrong.
@JheakrynaKyAlur none of us should just as people in the civil rights era of america have no right to demand reparations from me, I could just as easily make an argument that since my ancestors came from the british isles that the modern day italians owe me reparations for past enslavement of my family. I'm sure someone could make a claim against me too
@JheakrynaKyAlur You are 100% correct! What happened in Germany in the 1940's could potentially happen just about anywhere else in the world given similar circumstances. Because of this, the entire world needs to learn the history of this path and what it brings if followed, nott just the Germans. If I were in Germany I'd drink to this with you.
@JheakrynaKyAlur look at it this way, it's like you're the child of a famous serial killer. even if you're a really nice person, and may have never known your father, people are always gonna ask, "hey, aren't you the child of that guy who killed all those people?". it's a fact. you'll have to deal with it.
@JheakrynaKyAlur um. yeah. the thing is, what germany did was completely unprecedented. not even the romans, the huns or the mongols were as brutal, as sadistic, as completely evil as the nazis. nazi germany is literally the darkest chapter in human history to date. to even try to compare what germany did to what the us did or britain or any other country is utterly ridiculous. and complaining about germany being associated with the nazis is just disingenuous. it's your history. stop complaining
@JheakrynaKyAlur are you seriously comparing guantanamo bay with auschwitz? seriously? you're fucking retarded, krautboy. you're lucky germany still exists. if it hadn't been for the us, uncle joe would have sent every single german to the gulags.
@JheakrynaKyAlur So Americans are stupid? Our past generation was not so stupid as to try and invade a country with the vastness of the USSR while fighting in other theaters at the same time. We were not so stupid as to be taken over by a lunatic such as Adolph Hitler. And how many hundreds of thousands were murdered at Guantanamo Bay? We were not so stupid as to divert forces that should have been used in the East to the Ardennes in a stupid gamble. We produced planes that wrecked your cities.
Invading iraq while being occupied in afghanistan - mh sounds like hitler going to soviet union ;D
Pls tell me, how many casualties do youhave per day in iraq and afghanistan?
And for guantanamo. i don't care if ppl are getting killed there or not. you're torturing them there, and you treat them as animals. and not only there same in abu graib.
but pls, tell me that's k.
From torturing to killing is just a small step, actually us has not done it
@JheakrynaKyAlur I didn't vote for that idiot, never would have, so when you say "We", I ain't included. As for the "retard" insinuation, do you always do so when someone has the audacity to disagree with you? As for torture, it's WRONG no matter who does it, the SS, The US, any nation or government. And yes, the US is on it's way to becoming another Nazi Germany type of government, I have been saying that for quite some time. As for your other comparisons(Gtonmo Bay-Auschwitz), rather absurd.
@JheakrynaKyAlur On a more civil note, a friend recently interacted with several persons from several European countries, on of which was Germany. The question was asked as to how does Europe view the US now that Bush is out of office. To a person they all agreed that the US is viewed much more favoribly since that moron's departure. I couldn'r believe he was elected once(although it still looks as if the election was stolen in the state where his brother was governor)) let alone a second time.
Why the hell haven't a judge done anything about that?
but again - obama wanted to close guantanamo, and now he is expanding it. WTF?
i really thought that that black guy was doing some real good things for the US, but actually he is more kind of a joke... when i have to go to toilet, and do the big stuff, we say - "i'm electing Obama to the white house"
@JheakrynaKyAlur You stopped electing Hitler when he was dead and Germany was in ruins. Until he did himself in, he was still in command and being obeyed. Damn shame Stauffenberg didn't succeed, but somebody moved the briefcase. The Allies decided against trying to find ways to kill Hitler because he was winning the war for them with his idiotic decisions. And yes, The Treaty of Versailles paved the way for Hitler's being elected. The British and French were culpable in that fiasco, Not Wilson
@9241937 Agreed. Wilson wasn't responsible for the US rejection of the Versailles Treaty; Congress was when it chose not to ratify it due to not wanting to join the League of Nations as one of the 14 Points. Would you agree with me in the theory that not all Germans were Nazis/anti-Semites/Hitler supporters? I tend to agree with most of what you said, especially for the US political situation today. It's why I'm registered as an Independant. Thanx.
@TheSV3 Yes I'd agree with you. There were many scoundrels in the German military who committed horrible acts. There is a certain element in just about any society who, after being sunjected to having propaganda fed to them for long periods will gradually do what they're told. I doubt the average German soldier was all that different from those of any nation. I'm not registered as an Independent for reasons of voting in the primaries, never vote along party lines, just for who I believe is best.
@9241937 Thank you, my friend. The theory came from a Sociology/History professor during my sophmore year at Wichita State. He also made light of actions committed by both sides during the war which could be considered horrible and for whatever reason, but stated that they were not on the same scale as Nazi Germany's. The only reason I'm Independant is that since I was Republican during Reagan's term but after that, there was nothing I liked after that. I pick who i think is best too.
@JheakrynaKyAlur And if you think Obama is a joke, take a closer look at the bunch of Republicans who are all trying for the nomination. They all are of the same ilk as Bush to a person. This all started when Reagan was elected, forget his "Tear down this wall" speech, it was all about politics. I don't know about Germany's politics today, but the US politicians are all a bunch of self-serving crooks, it'a all about money and reelection. They could not care about the average person at all.
@JheakrynaKyAlur You may be familiar with the terms Berlin Airlift and Marshall Plan. It was the evil US that sponsered them. The Russians would have been content to let Germans starve and be little more than slaves, just what Hitler intended to do to them. From 1945-1989 West Germany prospered, East didn't. So many were fleeing to the West that the wall was built. The US isn't perfect but then neither is any other nation or government, including yours.
maybe omre sensitive for those terms, just like your guantanamo, which is in FACT just as bad as a concentration camp in Nazi Germany in the beginning. The killings in industrial scale only happened later in the war. but in the beginning, and i'm talking about the time from 1935 to 1940 there were no, or very little killings. but tortue and keeping ppl in custody with no or with false accusations. just as you do in your concentration camp on cuba.
And it is not sure that everyone kept there is guilty.
also your agencies can't really tell the shit from a muhammed or a mohammed or a muhommad, so that your agencies often get the wrong ppl.
but that's of course something that isn't really told in the Us - yeah i know it - i have relatives there and we talk often about these kinds of happenings.
@JheakrynaKyAlur All very good points, I cannot disagree with any of them. Obviously you're well-informed about the past and the present. I know about the camps from 1935-1940. And today's German people are in no way responsible for what was done 1933-1945.The sad part, so many of Germany's young men were lost, Luftwaffe crews, Panzer crews, Waffen SS troops, U-Boat crews, all were among the brightest and best, and what a tragedy. To recover from this shows good character and intelligence.
@starsunlocked - my dad was RAF Bomber aircrew.It was total war & had to be fought to the bitter end.It wasn't possible to be really accurate with the technology in the early part of the war unless they went in very low, in daylight & RAF suffered 80-100% losses!My dad said "Never join the Services, politicians will demand you do something against your conscience".But I know he'd want you to be proud of your country & not be weighted down by the Third Reich for ever.Your English is fine :)
Germany did horrible things, but russians did this too. Germans killed a lot of civilians and usa and britain bombed every bigger city in germany and killed so much civilians, too. Think Dresden, Cologne and Berlin. Where B17...Bombs fall was often no strategic target or the tommys hit nothing without houses of germans. I'm German and I'm proud, but I'm not proud of Hitler. We did much horrible thiungs, but all nations in ww2 did this too. Sry for my english =/
@starsunlocked yes i agree,NOT only Germany did bad things during the war..Stalin of Russia did very bad things,so did Japan & the United States & Brittan bombed alot of cities over Germany which had no real strategic value other than killing thousands of innocent civilians..the Brits & American commanders were obsessed with strategic bombing & believed that it would destroy the will of the Germany people to fight.but in reality it made the German people more determined & more hard.
@f39eagle2 My Grandmother often told about Bomberraids. She alway cried because she saw crying childs, parts of people and her destroyed homeland. She moved in a village near the Reimahg Airfield und she often told about the poor forced workers. She tried to give them potatoes or bread but it was not so easy. I think a lot of people won't fight, but in berlin the people was hanged when they did not fight.
the usaaf/raf had the right mind set..it didnt matter if you bombed the cites or factorys all those krauts was the same so they did right to try to wipe them all out..the civilans was helping the war effort
@bfahren its nice to think that we can achieve world peace, but the truth is that violence is a trait found in millions of species... we just take it to another level.
@bfahren I love my life and everything humanity has to offer. What I hate is bitches like you that have nothing to live for and exist in a contagiously pessimistic state.
@bfahren I'm a history major. You can tell me to read 13th century history for all I care, doesn't change the fact that we're evolving more and more every day. But ignorants like you simply choose not to see it that way. God people like you are so pathetic.
@bigkevi1992 Sure we are. After a century full of the most destructuve wars humanity ever saw (and the threat of total annihilation for almost half of it)...we still start new ones. We still opress and murder people based on their religion (or lack off), where were they born, the color of their skin, their language... More and more the human life value is lowered for the sake of the profits.
@rockerhippi When will shoot down your grandfathers and fathers, and small children will press tanks, you on another will start singing. Or you don't know, what fascists did?
It's too bad that humanity is flawed by design. The behavior is cultivated by the media and the water supply is controlled. That's how people can be talked into war.
And this is why the p-51 Mustang was born, Tho the B17 had The four 12.7 mm machine guns and one 7.62 mm nose machine gun, it was not enough, even after upgrading to thirteen 12.7 mm machine guns they were still getting shot down. The addition of a Long range fighter like the p-51 made the loss rate greatly diminish.
Oh man, they sold them on the Flying Fortress. Guns everywhere, turrets. No fighter could stand up to them. And a group of 17s, well..their concentrated firepower alone... You know, maybe Boeing really believed it, their own hype. It sure seemed possible when the prototype was sitting there gleaming on the runway.
The USAAF were not trained in night flying. Think of trying to fly formation at night. Furthermore, the B17 had a relatively small bomb load, so to bomb at night using B17s would be impracticle.
@NJRocks281 Exactly as the Luftwaffe did. Check on the layouts of Geman industrial citys and towns. To hit the factorys meant that the towns would be hit. Even the USAAF in daylight hit civilians, and anyway, which is easier, bombing a target in daylight when you can see it clearly or at night when you have to find it, identify it then try hitting it. Think about it, you had it easy, nice big formations, like a gang. R.A.F went in singly, not so easy.
@SuperAncientmariner You think the 600 crewmen who never returned from the second Schweinfurt raid in 1943 knew they had it 'easy'? RAF chose cover of darkness and 'area bombing' over precision bombing. The USA was premature in its reliance on the Norden bombsight, but today's smart weapons show which nation had both the right idea and moral attitude towards unnecessary civilain casualties. Whatever. I'm a fan of the RAF, USAAF, USN, USMC, Luftwaffe, Red AF, IJAF, IJN all braver than me!
When the Germans bomb,British and Americans take cover,
When the Americans bomb,Everyone takes cover!
I rather think the Luftwaffe did their share of targeting civilians, who have suffered in every war in History. And bombing the civilians from the air was surely a German first (with Zeppelins and Gothas)...and Guernica, that was German aircrew
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FYI: -Beautiful piece of Indus.-design (-stylish up-sweeping tail later inspired swoopie taillight-fins on 1948-'49 Cads.); -and although used in a needless nightmarish WW2 conflict of USA Jews declaring war upon Germany; -we're slowly realizing we were duped into fighting against the knowing pleas of Gen.-Chas.Lindbergh and anti-Communist St.Hitler, whom warned of the real enemy being jewZionist King Rothschilds warmongering Bank'ster-mafia whom are still today Fraud'closing on millions.!!!
AryanKnight 4 weeks ago
Luftwaffe pilots were some of the best. They also fought with honor. If you want a real story of aerial chivalry in the skies over Europe during WWII, search: "Charlie Brown and Franz Stigler".
pegrathwol 1 month ago
It is also a known fact that after the "Night of the Long Knives" in June 1934 and Hindenberg's passing in August 1934 that Werner Eduard Fritz von Blomberg personally ordered all soldiers in the army to pledge the "Reichswehreid" (Oath of Allegiance), not to "Volk and Fatherland," not to the Constitution and not to the German State, but to the Führer of the German People, Adolph Hitler. Later, in 1935, Blomberg became Commander-in-Chief of the Armed Forces, then first "Generalfeldmarschall."
19XWyomingGrizFan 1 month ago
Well,I dont care about nazi bullshit. but I hate the damn COMMUNISM and their fucking utopia.
These men were brave and they fought for their fatherland.
Metalicalypse 1 month ago
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19XWyomingGrizFan 1 month ago
Yes' Germany can dominate this world for years and years, through engineering and manufacturing of superior products to name a few Mercedes,Stihl,Bosch,Forschner,Braun,Krupp, the list goes on and on. If it isnt a tangible product,it is an idea, strategy or leadership.Eisenhower,Schwarzkopf or coaches in football and Qb's.Wannestedt,Roethlisberger,Hasselbeck,Neuheisel. The country is a leader in Eu high GDP economy.My father was in the US Army under Patton 3rd army,95th div. Normandy.
mistressofaminer 1 month ago
@mistressofaminer <----and after having emerged victorious over the Germans, usGen.Geo.Patton lamented, --saying he to late discovered USA had been fighting the wrong foe, --that he found the Jews were the criminal scum of the earth, and that St.Hitler was valiant in his struggle to defeat jew-Communism and the warmongering Rothschild Bank'ster-mafia that is today ruthlessly casting millions of out of work American families into the street by means of their greed driven insatiable usury.!!!
AryanKnight 4 weeks ago
Red Army plays the heavy ground game and shows up at your door-step. Game-over.As for that movie "Das Boot", that is meaningless, U-boat, submarine warfare? just fly overhead to Germany and bomb the country and put your army's boots on their ground.Lacking size, coastlines,large numbers and no axis protection. Italy was a fair-weathered friend.WW1 results failed, WW2 ,same result with the idea put to rest.
mistressofaminer 1 month ago
The land-locked country of Germany needless to say did well and for there size but their ultimate goals were inconceivable especially when you wake up a sleeping bear on the eastern front,Russia.Land-locked translation, no navy, they must answer to Britain to get ocean-bound. With Germany occupied fighting multiple fronts, few are able to guard the fatherland.Red Army sends thousands of T-34's and soldiers, Berlin is in submission.Smart engineering people they are but idealism is a pipe dream.
mistressofaminer 1 month ago
The funny thing is, despite all these youtube comments about nazis this and that, those flyboys on both sides who actually fought in the war and actually suffered the losses....have met years later and ate dinner together or become friends. Grow the fuck up.
Cplblue 1 month ago
now lets see p-51's :)
JamesYiHa 1 month ago
German air aces : the best
German tank aces : the best
German military in WW2 : the best
sheemsheem 1 month ago 4
@sheemsheem Aye, that's why the RAF and USAF hammered the Luftwaffe? Granted, German "aces" were the best... but their forces as a whole, were not. Their aircraft were well out-matched by 1943. Even in 1941, the average 109 couldn't successfully take on a spitfire. I think credit is due to some of the allied forces too.
floofynut 1 month ago
Nobody cares how won a war nearly 80 years ago. Important is how we fight no. By the way I'm german.
Savi141 2 months ago
always good to see Americans lose..
hellspit1848 2 months ago
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These pilots were better and braver. Going up to the skys knowing your at a 10-1 disadvantage takes serious balls. Remember at the beginning of the Allied bombing campaign the Luftwaffe was delivering serious blows to allied air forces. Making bomber command re-think their tactics and question the effectiveness of the bombing. Even against these odds.
Voss2120 2 months ago
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Voss2120 2 months ago
luftwaffe is better
reythepker 2 months ago
colindominy......the "human race" or "homo sapiens" or "copy of God" is like cattle.The devil always ruled.
papapardal1 2 months ago
The Luftwaffe was a well trained and experienced bunch of guys. They showed no fear and had some of the best aircraft in WW2. One of the main reason they faded out after mid 1944 was lack of fuel and proper replacements (in pilots and machines). But when it came to ballsy heroism, its hard to find a braver bunch of guys than the USAF B-17 crews. What they went through in the skies over Germany 1942 & 1943 was horrendous. God bless all those young guys, heroes one & all !
keysphilip 4 months ago
@keysphilip And how about pilots that fought in RAF while their country was occupied by Germany and when they returned after war to their homeland, instead of being called heroes they were inprisoned by Communists by their own people.
Leon1700 4 months ago
@Leon1700 Yes, what happened to many Poles who returned to their country under Soviet rule was a tragedy. Stalin's USSR was almost as bad as Hitler's Third Reich. But the point I was making re USAF in WW2 Europe was that they were sent into an inferno 2 year air battle above Germany which was not (directly) their war. It was Japan that outright attacked the USA not Germany.
Re the Polish who fought for the Allies, they were all heroes too. Very brave people and a great nation.
keysphilip 4 months ago
There was NO DISGRACE in being a German Luftwaffe Pilot in this .. the Air Battle / Bombing Campaign by the Allies. Put that bastard HITLER aside, just for a moment. These grand, brave Luftwaffe pilots were defending their homeland in this ongoing air-battle. And in a reverse situation, where another foreign power kept increasing its upper hand in a battle .. who wouldn't do the same as the German Boys of the Luftwaffe did .. think about it. Blame Hitler if you want .. BUT NOT these boys.
colindominy 5 months ago 49
@colindominy Yeah, it was so ethical of the Allies like the US and Britain to firebomb civilians in Dreseden. That was really nice of us. Let's attack the civilian population with white phosphorous bombs to punish them by literally burning them alive. Fools need to separate the real soldiers from the death camp guards and killers. Most of the Wehrmacht were just soliders fighting for one another and for Fatherland. I respect the hell out of the Wehrmacht because there was none better.
kmapes 5 months ago
@kmapes : yep, I agree with your viewpoint re The Dresden Disgrace + the Hi-Calibre & Patriotism of the fabulous Wehrmacht & their superior military hardware etc, 100%. Good on you & thanks for writing.
colindominy 5 months ago
@colindominy I blame everyone who didn't walk away from the German machine. They WERE GREAT Pilots but working for evil. I blame them. They were defending Hitler. Just sayin. I can see that alot of people don't agree with me. That's cool. I am allowed to have opinions cuz we beat hitler.
SoCalDualSport 1 month ago
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19XWyomingGrizFan 1 month ago
i salute those brave men in those fortresses for not only going in to those sorts of scraps during the day but for hammering those .50s in the face of a 109 coming the other way with a couple 13s and a couple of 20s pumping back at them
legend2460 6 months ago
@legend2460
Dont forget the 30mm on the 109-G's. The Minen rounds had the explosive power like a 40mm bofors AA gun.
0Turbox 5 months ago
u need to harden up bowchickawowbow i dont care that u think they are still nazis take a concrete pill u moron it wasent them that did the crime it was a select few how would u like to be punished for a crime an ancestor of ur family comitted fukn retard
legend2460 6 months ago 7
Don't care, germens today are still nazis to me....I say kill them all for them to learn a lesson...
bowchickawowbowyeah 6 months ago
....and who won now?
TheShitCan 6 months ago
& why that Flying Fortress didn't have a fighter escort is beyond me.
WWIIace45 6 months ago
@WWIIace45 are long range bombers that's why
lerat0 6 months ago
@lerat0 Yeah but the P-82 Twin Mustang was designed to escort large bombers to their targets & back, so I dont see why they counldn't have sent some of those
WWIIace45 6 months ago
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spamstoper3 6 months ago
DIe einzig wahren Helden waren die LW Piloten. Sie flogen in einen schon verlorenen Kampf nur mit dem Gedanken jeder Bomber ist einer weniger der deutsche Städte bombadieren kann. Und das hatte nichts mit den Nazis zutun den die Männer hatten Familie die inden Städten waren die durch den Bombenterror starben unschuldige Menschen. Außerdem jeder mit Anstand und noch ein bisschen Moral würde seine Heimat verteidigen egal von wem oder für welchen Zweck sie attackiert wurde.Für mich waren das Helden
Chelinoization 7 months ago
faken USa
MrBlackwood666 7 months ago
Do you know the history of the 8 air force of U.S.A? They has started the war in 28.000 and they has finished the war in only 53!!! Glory at Germany, Glory at Luftwaffe!
Vercingetorix45 8 months ago
@Vercingetorix45 they still beat your luftwaffe.
bobscoodles 8 months ago
@bobscoodles Hardly. Not to mention the Soviet Union did most of the work.
EtheralFusion 8 months ago
@EtheralFusion At the risk of damning the Soviets, did they not enter into an agreement with Hitler to attack Poland from the east while The Germans attacked from the west? No honor among thieves it would seem.
woobification 7 months ago
@bobscoodles yes and they also killed more germans then the germans killed americans wait germans killed 24000 more? sorry
nimbalo300 7 months ago
This is a clip is from the "Memphis Belle" Documentary. alot of the lines in this clip was used in the movie Hollywood made.
swlude 8 months ago
1:12 ... a horizontal loop with a b17 bomber... simpley a great pilot.
parzifal2 8 months ago
asian subtitles? lmao
midairflyer 8 months ago
arrêter vos conneries, on sait très bien que les B-17 on morflées dans le ciel européen ! les Messerschmitt on fait des ravages.
mohkiller69 8 months ago
Great footage..thanks for posting!
davidgrahamscott 8 months ago
bomm video traduza pra mim por favor as falas dos pilotos!!!
w5andre 8 months ago
fucking amerikan turkey eaters, back to your farms!
dividednation44 8 months ago
@dividednation44 We would've gladly stay in our farms if it hadn't been for the whale eating Japs.
jvarsall 8 months ago
@jvarsall well if your redneck corn farming president hadnt challenged them and cornered them. they'd gladly continued eating whales
dividednation44 8 months ago
@dividednation44 We cornered them because every country they invaded they enslaved the population and mass raped every female in sight from age 10 and up. Therefore they got nuked back to the stone age and we rebuilt the country into a major economic force with Zero military. Not to bad for a buncha 'ole rednecks. Planet saved Japan cured of militarist. end of story. Next.
jvarsall 7 months ago
@jvarsall meybe ur right anyways
dividednation44 7 months ago
@jvarsall Fuckin' A right man....
BTW...there were a lot of nexts...
sixtiksix 7 months ago
@jvarsall they have the jdf japanese defence force a army
nimbalo300 7 months ago
@nimbalo300 All SDF personnel are technically civilians: those in uniform are classified as special civil servants and are subordinate to the ordinary civil servants who run the Ministry of Defense. Info from wikipedia
Not trying to say you are wrong, but I think we are both correct in one way or another.
jvarsall 7 months ago
technically speaking if Hitler did good things he might be beloved but.............................he didnt so idk?
thatoneguy12ize 9 months ago
@thatoneguy12ize he did, look up his good deeds.
dividednation44 9 months ago
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hey swedish shit so youre gonna kick ass eh?? too brave in youtube eh? bitch? youre nothing but a big mouth scumbag bluff shit ,, hey bitch my grandpha was in the ss divison ukrainshe Nr.1fighting the jew commie scum, and im in the Vympel Spetsnaz unit ,youre gonna kick my ass too eh? ill crush your coward jew ass in 2 seconds jew rat,, 6 million rats kiled including your scum ancestors fuck you
maercats 9 months ago
European Theatre is so harsh...
BrightmanRicefield 10 months ago
politics aside, these are brave soldiers and airmen. each side considers the other combatants as evil or bad guys. but each side fought bravely in the face of fierce gun fire. bad guys or not, they are all heroes in their own countries.
solaris5655 10 months ago
The fight was fair, with piston engines, each respectively were matched.
Imagine a 262 tearing through that formation. b17 gunners not even given the chance to lead the jet aircraft before it was gone. Gieven immediate production, might of changed the war. Thank god hitler was crazy.
hopups 11 months ago 2
I once read a book (romantic fiction) set during WW2, in which the navigator baled out of his Halifax via the bomb bay. The author must have seen this clip!
Strawberry7Lynn 1 year ago
Good, no background hardcore rock music, nice video.
B-17 crews are brave to go up there as a big target or AA fire or from the Luftwaffe, and Luftwaffe pilots are also brave for what they did, getting right behind them in right in a face of the rear gunner who could've shot the pilots
jimmyxx3 1 year ago 2
@f39eagle2 cause thats how tough we are... we get hard from the idea of strategic bombing
mrspontaneous100 1 year ago
0:51 stuka?
aure232 1 year ago
@aure232 nah probably an Fw 190 or an Me 109 that got shot down by a gunner or something.
ihusmal1234 11 months ago
@ihusmal1234 but it makes a voice of Stukas jericho trumpets
aure232 11 months ago
Es lebe das heilige Deutschland !!!
Sturmfalke010475 1 year ago
@Sturmfalke010475 wegen solchen vögeln wie dir werden wir heute immer noch als nazi bezeichnet :DD
123mrabcde 1 year ago
@123mrabcde Sicher von Vögeln , die wie Du keine Ahnung haben. Jeder halbwegs gebildete Mensch kennt diesen Ausspruch und weiß auch wer ihn benutzt hat. Dieser Satz wurde von Claus Schenk Graf von Stauffenberg verwendet, nachdem sein Attentat und Staatsstreich gegen Hitler und das Nazi-Regime fehl schlug und er im Hof des Bendlerblocks erschossen wurde. An dieser Aussage ist so viel "Nazi" wie an der Aussage "God bless the USA" Erst denken, dann posten ;)
Sturmfalke010475 1 year ago
@Sturmfalke010475 ja aber für die ollen ammis ist das nazi gehabe ..
123mrabcde 1 year ago
@123mrabcde Aber doch nicht mehr seit Tom Cruise die Hautrolle in der Hollywood-Verfilmung spielte.
Durfte feststellen, das insbesondere Amerikaner ab ca. 25 Jahren sich hervorragend mit der Deutschen Geschichte auskennen. Davon mal abgesehen, ist es weniger das Ausland welches so verbissen mit der Deutschen Geschichte umgeht, sondern im großen und ganzen nur die Deutschen selbst. In der Regel wird doch schon im Kindesalter mit erhobenen Zeigefinger vom Tätervolk und "unserer Schuld" berichtet.
Sturmfalke010475 1 year ago
@123mrabcde Wen interessiert es, was die Amis denken ? Wir sind nicht jene die Fremde Länder Annektieren, unter dem Vorwand sie hätten Massenvernichtungswaffen. Was andere über uns bzw. mich denken spielt für mich keine Rolle, insbesondere dann wenn sie selbst unendlich viel Dreck am stecken haben.
Sturmfalke010475 10 months ago
war does not prove who is right, only who is left
cestrianvlogger 1 year ago 16
Back then it was saving ourselves from total destruction, today it only means that we are pissing off people who truely are a waste to Freedoms true meaning. Don't get me wrong, I want peace but try telling that to a man with a 9cm mustache and a sexual fantasy for watching certain ethnicities burn in large furnaces.
EStreetRoller 1 year ago
@EStreetRoller Where's your proof aside from american hollywood films jackass? Suppose you look at what americans did to the American Indians and also what the British did to the population in India and Ireland. We Germans are Mother Teresa compared to you lunatics. You can't do anything except point your finger at us so the world doesn't see your own crimes against humanity.
TeutonicKnight39 1 year ago
@TeutonicKnight39
that's a bit drastic to tell, but yes, we germans aren't the only ones who have committed genocide and slaughtered hundreds of thousands ppl.
the only reason fingers are pointed at us for this sake is - we were last (so least time passed) and we did it in an industrial scale.
i don't want to settle this down - this was a big crime and shouldn't be repeated. But we - who live now - have nothing to do with it - ad i don't want to be judged by what those lunatics did
JheakrynaKyAlur 1 year ago 48
@JheakrynaKyAlur Well said. Madness does is not the exclusive property of one nation. There's planty of blame to go around. If only humanity could learn from it's mistakes.
woobification 7 months ago
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@JheakrynaKyAlur yas but everybody knows that all germans are nazis...
metamaggot 7 months ago
@JheakrynaKyAlur Holocaust
TheX3Gamer 7 months ago
@JheakrynaKyAlur Hitler did give you all a bad rep. Anytime anyone thinks of Germans , they instantly think of Hitler and the ww2 times.. and ,.. nazi. :|
joerover22 7 months ago
@joerover22
Ya, that's a dot in our history taht we can't get rid off.
But so it goes with every country in the world.
The US for example... what your people did on the philipines isn't that nice at all.
with the native americans, and so on.
we surely can all find the dark spots in everyones history and throw with dirt at each other.
but i think we should more or less focus on today and the near future ;)
and what do you think off then?
sausage! schnitzel! good engineering :D
JheakrynaKyAlur 7 months ago
@joerover22 I don't ! Only time warp zombies like you perhaps.
JohnS1704 6 months ago
@JheakrynaKyAlur Us, with knowledge of WW2, don't blame Germans, we blame Nazi Germany. We also know that not all Germans felt the same way and that if such thoughts were spoken it would have meant certain death. It's those that never payed attention in history class that make the rest of us look bad. Sad to say, the world made some of it's greatest advancements in technology during WW2. Most were to keep up with Germany's scientists. We learn from our mistakes and move on.
Magnuspire 6 months ago
@Magnuspire
one of the wisest comments i've read so far ;)
JheakrynaKyAlur 6 months ago
@Magnuspire
A test done just after WW2 in the US found that the majority of the world population is susceptible to authority even when asked to do something that is morally wrong.
otester 6 months ago
@JheakrynaKyAlur none of us should just as people in the civil rights era of america have no right to demand reparations from me, I could just as easily make an argument that since my ancestors came from the british isles that the modern day italians owe me reparations for past enslavement of my family. I'm sure someone could make a claim against me too
Jadefox32 6 months ago
@JheakrynaKyAlur You are 100% correct! What happened in Germany in the 1940's could potentially happen just about anywhere else in the world given similar circumstances. Because of this, the entire world needs to learn the history of this path and what it brings if followed, nott just the Germans. If I were in Germany I'd drink to this with you.
JaleelJohanson62 4 months ago
@JaleelJohanson62
hehe thanks ;)
I think i can say cheers from this side of the atlantic and raise my glas on a drink with you.
Cheers
JheakrynaKyAlur 4 months ago
@JheakrynaKyAlur look at it this way, it's like you're the child of a famous serial killer. even if you're a really nice person, and may have never known your father, people are always gonna ask, "hey, aren't you the child of that guy who killed all those people?". it's a fact. you'll have to deal with it.
aseglkj 3 months ago
@aseglkj
i know ;)
but the same goes for u in the US.
you have to deal with native american genocide, with philipine genocide, etc.
we can find black spots on every nations history, without looking for too long
JheakrynaKyAlur 3 months ago
@JheakrynaKyAlur um. yeah. the thing is, what germany did was completely unprecedented. not even the romans, the huns or the mongols were as brutal, as sadistic, as completely evil as the nazis. nazi germany is literally the darkest chapter in human history to date. to even try to compare what germany did to what the us did or britain or any other country is utterly ridiculous. and complaining about germany being associated with the nazis is just disingenuous. it's your history. stop complaining
aseglkj 3 months ago
@aseglkj. agreed, but it IS history, so how about YOU stop complaining.
baobubs 3 months ago
@aseglkj
what you did on the phillipines was not as far behind from that ;)
it's your history, stop complaining and point fingers at others, while you are not as bright an shiny as you wanted to be.
pls tell me about guantanamo bay, where you keep guys with no accusal, where you behave like in auschwitz. Pls tell me about abu graib.
pls, don't try to tell me that this is 'a good thing' - lol
make me laugh... ;)
JheakrynaKyAlur 3 months ago
@JheakrynaKyAlur are you seriously comparing guantanamo bay with auschwitz? seriously? you're fucking retarded, krautboy. you're lucky germany still exists. if it hadn't been for the us, uncle joe would have sent every single german to the gulags.
aseglkj 3 months ago
@aseglkj
Since you guys treat those in that camp like non humans, yes i dare to compare it ;)
but don't worry, i don't hold a grudge against you, i know your amerian and that means in the rest of the world, you're just plain stupid.
JheakrynaKyAlur 3 months ago
@JheakrynaKyAlur So Americans are stupid? Our past generation was not so stupid as to try and invade a country with the vastness of the USSR while fighting in other theaters at the same time. We were not so stupid as to be taken over by a lunatic such as Adolph Hitler. And how many hundreds of thousands were murdered at Guantanamo Bay? We were not so stupid as to divert forces that should have been used in the East to the Ardennes in a stupid gamble. We produced planes that wrecked your cities.
9241937 3 months ago
@9241937
lololol
Invading iraq while being occupied in afghanistan - mh sounds like hitler going to soviet union ;D
Pls tell me, how many casualties do youhave per day in iraq and afghanistan?
And for guantanamo. i don't care if ppl are getting killed there or not. you're torturing them there, and you treat them as animals. and not only there same in abu graib.
but pls, tell me that's k.
From torturing to killing is just a small step, actually us has not done it
JheakrynaKyAlur 3 months ago
But so hasn't hitler in the first place.
Killing guys only comes later.
Let's just wait some years and talk again about that matter ;)
The US is on step 4 on a 6 way step to become a dictatorship just like Nazi Germany - so pls, try to get the emergency break.
Get out of iraq - stop invading and bombarding countries just coz you want their minerals, and finally close up guantanamo.
if you don't do this, your just as bad as Nazi germans ;)
Wehret den Anfängen, as we say
JheakrynaKyAlur 3 months ago
@9241937
btw you were overtaken by a lunatic called george bush.
the difference between us and you is... that we stopped electing hitler after he got us to a war lololol
you elected your bush a second time ;D
that's way too funny to be true.
pls stop trolling if you have no real arguement, retard.
JheakrynaKyAlur 3 months ago
@JheakrynaKyAlur I didn't vote for that idiot, never would have, so when you say "We", I ain't included. As for the "retard" insinuation, do you always do so when someone has the audacity to disagree with you? As for torture, it's WRONG no matter who does it, the SS, The US, any nation or government. And yes, the US is on it's way to becoming another Nazi Germany type of government, I have been saying that for quite some time. As for your other comparisons(Gtonmo Bay-Auschwitz), rather absurd.
9241937 3 months ago
@JheakrynaKyAlur On a more civil note, a friend recently interacted with several persons from several European countries, on of which was Germany. The question was asked as to how does Europe view the US now that Bush is out of office. To a person they all agreed that the US is viewed much more favoribly since that moron's departure. I couldn'r believe he was elected once(although it still looks as if the election was stolen in the state where his brother was governor)) let alone a second time.
9241937 3 months ago
@9241937
that fact alone makes me laugh.
Why the hell haven't a judge done anything about that?
but again - obama wanted to close guantanamo, and now he is expanding it. WTF?
i really thought that that black guy was doing some real good things for the US, but actually he is more kind of a joke... when i have to go to toilet, and do the big stuff, we say - "i'm electing Obama to the white house"
... rest is of course your imagination ;)
JheakrynaKyAlur 3 months ago
@JheakrynaKyAlur You stopped electing Hitler when he was dead and Germany was in ruins. Until he did himself in, he was still in command and being obeyed. Damn shame Stauffenberg didn't succeed, but somebody moved the briefcase. The Allies decided against trying to find ways to kill Hitler because he was winning the war for them with his idiotic decisions. And yes, The Treaty of Versailles paved the way for Hitler's being elected. The British and French were culpable in that fiasco, Not Wilson
9241937 3 months ago
@9241937 Agreed. Wilson wasn't responsible for the US rejection of the Versailles Treaty; Congress was when it chose not to ratify it due to not wanting to join the League of Nations as one of the 14 Points. Would you agree with me in the theory that not all Germans were Nazis/anti-Semites/Hitler supporters? I tend to agree with most of what you said, especially for the US political situation today. It's why I'm registered as an Independant. Thanx.
TheSV3 1 month ago
@TheSV3 Yes I'd agree with you. There were many scoundrels in the German military who committed horrible acts. There is a certain element in just about any society who, after being sunjected to having propaganda fed to them for long periods will gradually do what they're told. I doubt the average German soldier was all that different from those of any nation. I'm not registered as an Independent for reasons of voting in the primaries, never vote along party lines, just for who I believe is best.
9241937 1 month ago
@9241937 Thank you, my friend. The theory came from a Sociology/History professor during my sophmore year at Wichita State. He also made light of actions committed by both sides during the war which could be considered horrible and for whatever reason, but stated that they were not on the same scale as Nazi Germany's. The only reason I'm Independant is that since I was Republican during Reagan's term but after that, there was nothing I liked after that. I pick who i think is best too.
TheSV3 1 month ago
@JheakrynaKyAlur And if you think Obama is a joke, take a closer look at the bunch of Republicans who are all trying for the nomination. They all are of the same ilk as Bush to a person. This all started when Reagan was elected, forget his "Tear down this wall" speech, it was all about politics. I don't know about Germany's politics today, but the US politicians are all a bunch of self-serving crooks, it'a all about money and reelection. They could not care about the average person at all.
9241937 3 months ago
@JheakrynaKyAlur You may be familiar with the terms Berlin Airlift and Marshall Plan. It was the evil US that sponsered them. The Russians would have been content to let Germans starve and be little more than slaves, just what Hitler intended to do to them. From 1945-1989 West Germany prospered, East didn't. So many were fleeing to the West that the wall was built. The US isn't perfect but then neither is any other nation or government, including yours.
9241937 3 months ago
@9241937
i'm not claiming that it is, in fact we have many problems here, and i curse my chancelor as often as others ;)
i thank the old US for marshal plan and that airlift, and for being in the Nato etc pp.
but - and it is a bug BUT
You in the US can not solely rely on the victories made in the past, that everyone respects you for.
and WE in Germany can not be punished and/or despiced for mistakes made in the past, that everyone despices - us including btw.
also our past makes us
JheakrynaKyAlur 3 months ago
maybe omre sensitive for those terms, just like your guantanamo, which is in FACT just as bad as a concentration camp in Nazi Germany in the beginning. The killings in industrial scale only happened later in the war. but in the beginning, and i'm talking about the time from 1935 to 1940 there were no, or very little killings. but tortue and keeping ppl in custody with no or with false accusations. just as you do in your concentration camp on cuba.
maybe you want to think about that
JheakrynaKyAlur 3 months ago
and maybe you want to keep the words
"NOT guilty until guilt is proven" - in mind
And it is not sure that everyone kept there is guilty.
also your agencies can't really tell the shit from a muhammed or a mohammed or a muhommad, so that your agencies often get the wrong ppl.
but that's of course something that isn't really told in the Us - yeah i know it - i have relatives there and we talk often about these kinds of happenings.
thx
JheakrynaKyAlur 3 months ago
@JheakrynaKyAlur All very good points, I cannot disagree with any of them. Obviously you're well-informed about the past and the present. I know about the camps from 1935-1940. And today's German people are in no way responsible for what was done 1933-1945.The sad part, so many of Germany's young men were lost, Luftwaffe crews, Panzer crews, Waffen SS troops, U-Boat crews, all were among the brightest and best, and what a tragedy. To recover from this shows good character and intelligence.
9241937 3 months ago 3
I vote for peace but this airfights must be adrenaline pure...
IronPump89 1 year ago
what a fuckin mess - men in suits jeez - god bless the RAF
RaunchyRocker 1 year ago
@RaunchyRocker RAF was good in old times, but now its noting special.....
SeRgA123456789 1 year ago
too right - if you would have come in earlier we woould not ve that ffuckin mess
RaunchyRocker 1 year ago
@starsunlocked - my dad was RAF Bomber aircrew.It was total war & had to be fought to the bitter end.It wasn't possible to be really accurate with the technology in the early part of the war unless they went in very low, in daylight & RAF suffered 80-100% losses!My dad said "Never join the Services, politicians will demand you do something against your conscience".But I know he'd want you to be proud of your country & not be weighted down by the Third Reich for ever.Your English is fine :)
Insperato62 1 year ago 2
gemans supply was weakened ,so easy access to proceed.
fddeb 1 year ago
no cause to blame german people,they just follow the rules of hitler,to them hitler was like god.
fddeb 1 year ago
germans defeat was stalingrad ,without it we would march different way.
fddeb 1 year ago
@fddeb dude they lose there coz of russian fucking cold winters.....
SeRgA123456789 1 year ago
germans were outnumbered ,great pilots.
fddeb 1 year ago
Germany did horrible things, but russians did this too. Germans killed a lot of civilians and usa and britain bombed every bigger city in germany and killed so much civilians, too. Think Dresden, Cologne and Berlin. Where B17...Bombs fall was often no strategic target or the tommys hit nothing without houses of germans. I'm German and I'm proud, but I'm not proud of Hitler. We did much horrible thiungs, but all nations in ww2 did this too. Sry for my english =/
starsunlocked 1 year ago
@starsunlocked yes i agree,NOT only Germany did bad things during the war..Stalin of Russia did very bad things,so did Japan & the United States & Brittan bombed alot of cities over Germany which had no real strategic value other than killing thousands of innocent civilians..the Brits & American commanders were obsessed with strategic bombing & believed that it would destroy the will of the Germany people to fight.but in reality it made the German people more determined & more hard.
f39eagle2 1 year ago
@f39eagle2 My Grandmother often told about Bomberraids. She alway cried because she saw crying childs, parts of people and her destroyed homeland. She moved in a village near the Reimahg Airfield und she often told about the poor forced workers. She tried to give them potatoes or bread but it was not so easy. I think a lot of people won't fight, but in berlin the people was hanged when they did not fight.
starsunlocked 1 year ago
@f39eagle2 Determination is worthless without materials.
l0nelydude 1 year ago
Renember that the eastern front took about 80% of the german forces. The western front had almost no german forces to fight.
But it's all history now ....
US came in very late, probably because they could see that Stalin would take the whole cake, - if the western allied did not hurry up.
Germany used most of it's power in the east, almost keeping a door open to the west.
a61971 1 year ago
the usaaf/raf had the right mind set..it didnt matter if you bombed the cites or factorys all those krauts was the same so they did right to try to wipe them all out..the civilans was helping the war effort
flightwing600 1 year ago
man i love the B-17
supercharizard3 1 year ago
the Pilots are on TeamSpeak
uzzobb 1 year ago
fake^^
1024Conker 1 year ago
What film is this?
HeiligesReich2 1 year ago
@HeiligesReich2 From a documentary film about the Memphis Belle.
SuperAncientmariner 1 year ago
Check out this movie made in two parts..{Click on the link at the end for part 2}
"I Flew for the Führer"; Heinz Knoke diaries PART 1"
watch?v=iRWPsf9-y3I
TheDepotCat 1 year ago
fake
GroBBElL117 1 year ago
War is war. Stop bitching about who did what. Humanity is flawed.
rockerhippi 1 year ago 65
@rockerhippi Flawed?. Fucked up beyond all recognition is more like it.
bfahren 1 year ago 54
@bfahren FUBAR
TheWhiteOwl23 1 year ago
@bfahren soooo you're saying YOU are fucked up beyond all recognition?
perrymcdermott 10 months ago
@perrymcdermott Yes, I am, but thats another topic for another moment.
bfahren 10 months ago
@bfahren its nice to think that we can achieve world peace, but the truth is that violence is a trait found in millions of species... we just take it to another level.
perrymcdermott 10 months ago
@bfahren more like Situation Normal All Fucked Up
crackard420 10 months ago
@bfahren got that right...the human race survives the earth dies...humanity dies and the earth survives
JerkyTurk1 10 months ago
@bfahren Then kill yourself so you help create a solution asshole.
bigkevi1992 9 months ago
@bigkevi1992 You go first. Tough guy.
bfahren 9 months ago
@bfahren I love my life and everything humanity has to offer. What I hate is bitches like you that have nothing to live for and exist in a contagiously pessimistic state.
bigkevi1992 9 months ago
@bigkevi1992 I don´t give a damn if you don´t like it. I´ll tell as I see it. Try to read some 20th century history.
bfahren 9 months ago
@bfahren I'm a history major. You can tell me to read 13th century history for all I care, doesn't change the fact that we're evolving more and more every day. But ignorants like you simply choose not to see it that way. God people like you are so pathetic.
bigkevi1992 9 months ago
@bigkevi1992 Sure we are. After a century full of the most destructuve wars humanity ever saw (and the threat of total annihilation for almost half of it)...we still start new ones. We still opress and murder people based on their religion (or lack off), where were they born, the color of their skin, their language... More and more the human life value is lowered for the sake of the profits.
Get out of your bubble and see the world, fool.
bfahren 9 months ago
@bfahren Human kinds civility is truly only skin deep. Scratch the surface and expose the beast within.
woobification 7 months ago
@bfahren
Allow me to reiterate. Kill yourself if you don't want to exist in what you perceive to be chaos.
bigkevi1992 9 months ago
@rockerhippi When will shoot down your grandfathers and fathers, and small children will press tanks, you on another will start singing. Or you don't know, what fascists did?
Buffik2000 1 year ago
@rockerhippi
It's too bad that humanity is flawed by design. The behavior is cultivated by the media and the water supply is controlled. That's how people can be talked into war.
AugustusLarch 9 months ago
And this is why the p-51 Mustang was born, Tho the B17 had The four 12.7 mm machine guns and one 7.62 mm nose machine gun, it was not enough, even after upgrading to thirteen 12.7 mm machine guns they were still getting shot down. The addition of a Long range fighter like the p-51 made the loss rate greatly diminish.
Prttimeninja2 1 year ago
Oh man, they sold them on the Flying Fortress. Guns everywhere, turrets. No fighter could stand up to them. And a group of 17s, well..their concentrated firepower alone... You know, maybe Boeing really believed it, their own hype. It sure seemed possible when the prototype was sitting there gleaming on the runway.
DillingerSatchel 1 year ago
The USAAF were not trained in night flying. Think of trying to fly formation at night. Furthermore, the B17 had a relatively small bomb load, so to bomb at night using B17s would be impracticle.
SuperAncientmariner 1 year ago
Brits bombed at night because they didn't give a fuck about civilian losses and they tried to use the night as cover.
NJRocks281 1 year ago
@NJRocks281 Exactly as the Luftwaffe did. Check on the layouts of Geman industrial citys and towns. To hit the factorys meant that the towns would be hit. Even the USAAF in daylight hit civilians, and anyway, which is easier, bombing a target in daylight when you can see it clearly or at night when you have to find it, identify it then try hitting it. Think about it, you had it easy, nice big formations, like a gang. R.A.F went in singly, not so easy.
SuperAncientmariner 1 year ago
@SuperAncientmariner You think the 600 crewmen who never returned from the second Schweinfurt raid in 1943 knew they had it 'easy'? RAF chose cover of darkness and 'area bombing' over precision bombing. The USA was premature in its reliance on the Norden bombsight, but today's smart weapons show which nation had both the right idea and moral attitude towards unnecessary civilain casualties. Whatever. I'm a fan of the RAF, USAAF, USN, USMC, Luftwaffe, Red AF, IJAF, IJN all braver than me!
Shafeone 1 year ago
@Shafeone Bloody right. I did a lot of my service underwater, much safer.
SuperAncientmariner 1 year ago
@SuperAncientmariner Underwater? Submariner? Wow. That is impressive. I prefer terra firma. No place to hide in the sky or under the sea! God bless.
Shafeone 1 year ago
@Shafeone Thank you.
SuperAncientmariner 1 year ago
@NJRocks281 That is absolutely correct
tisoy909 1 year ago
Old WW2 joke,
When the British bomb, GermaNS TAKE COVER,
When the Germans bomb,British and Americans take cover,
When the Americans bomb,Everyone takes cover!
I rather think the Luftwaffe did their share of targeting civilians, who have suffered in every war in History. And bombing the civilians from the air was surely a German first (with Zeppelins and Gothas)...and Guernica, that was German aircrew
SuperAncientmariner 1 year ago
The Messerschmitt Bf 109 G's at 0:11 belongs to a training unit.
Basilisk195 1 year ago
Damn it don't yell on that intercom! bahahaha
OneMoreSchlup 1 year ago
FUCK HITLER
AcePilot2009 1 year ago
@AcePilot2009 FUCK YOU
uberkelvin 1 year ago
@uberkelvin When the Russians were done, you were 'finished'. LOL
JaleelJohanson62 1 year ago
hey.. love this clip... isnt it out of the show the memphis bell? i have that show.pretty kool perspective..
rcplanetim53 1 year ago