Bullseye. My cousin-in-law got a bachelor's of theology, then went on to get her Master's. Now she can get only menial work, is dependent on her husband, and is saddled with a mountain of debt. Now she must go back to school to find something useful to major in, whilst getting herself into even more debt.
I agree in part....those who have degrees in theology in order to do Christian ministry or apologetics are wasting a big part of their lives. But what about theologians who study the bible as literature? I'm fascinated by the bible, and I'm glad there are guys like Bart Ehrman who have taken the time to make more sense of it for the layperson. Is literature as a field of study a waste of time? Philosophy? History?
I couldn't agree more with you on this issue. However, you left out discrimination in your list of god-inspired hatred and I'm sure I left out many many more issues that have prevented society from growing, or evolving I should say.
Thank you!! Thank you for being braver than me in saying the things I just wish I could say in front of a camera on YouTube. THANK YOU!!
Theology is the equilavent of me reading the Lord of the Rings and then telling other people what I think about it. I can say whatever I want and it has the same credentials as being theology as someone elses completely different opinion on the same issue. There is no consensus. It is like openly admitting:'ok we cant prove these things scientifically, so we take the easy way out and make up whatever we want and call it intellectual'.A random person is as good in theology as a learned theologian
Each christian denomination has a theology, so each comes up with a different understanding of the same book. Arminians believe salvation is available to all, but only some will repent. Calvinists believe god has an elect group to save (to hell with the others). Universalists believe all will be saved. Imagine if one "school of science" taught that water boils at 100 degrees fahrenheit, another at 150, and another at 250. That would not be science.
oh and real quick just watch all this to i know u believe there is no GOD but just look at the astronomy part of it ok : ) Indescribable by Louie Giglio - Part 1 of 5
and look up on youtube Non Biblical evidence as proof for Jesus Christ (1 of 4) and watch all four parts, what harm can it do if u are so sure u are right u know, im not hear to cause chaos lol but with love, man who made this video u are so smart and i hope GOD shows himself to u and just follow the scientific evidence caz when i did i found the truth and that is that Christ was a real man that he was accounted as dead and that he did many miracles that are undeniable and he rose again.
read the book The case for Christ and watch the movie as well, if u are truly a man after the truth always follow the evidence that is true and if u want throw the bible out of it right now and go off of the manuscripts and things that hystorians and philosophers. Just look at ALL the evidence man, trust me i was like u and i know where ur coming from i do but archiology and non christians are proving the bible
read the book The case for Christ and watch the movie as well, if u are truly a man after the truth always follow the evidence that is true and if u want throw the bible out of it right now and go off of the manuscripts and things that hystorians and philosophers. Just look at ALL the evidence man, trust me i was like u and i know where ur coming from i do but archiology and non christians are proving the bible
@Alighieri2200 Religion gets not only a free pass in our society, never having to provide evidence for some of the most incredible beliefs, but we offer undeserved respect to this pseudo-academic field. Christianity and Islam need to be regarded the same way we think of astrology, voodoo magic and the abandoned ancient mythologies of Zeus, Odin and Ra.
i'm not a believer in God but i do study Theology. Just because you don't believe in something doesnt make it uninteresting, and by you yourself talking about it you have proved it to be a subject worthy of discussion. People study subjects that they find intreguing, noone studying Physics for example is going to study it if they find it insanely boring. So how can you say it is a worthless subject when you admit yourself that you have read books about Theological subjects?
According to verse 12;31-All the Manner of SIN AND BLASPHEMY, Shall be Forgiven,BUT Against the holy GHOST ,Shall not be Forgiven .
According to 12;32 - Whosoever Speaketh a Word Against the SON OF MAN( JESUS) , It shall be Forgiven .BUT Whosoever Speaketh Against the HOLY GHOST , Shall not be Forgiven .
NOW ; ACCORDING TO CHRISTIANS , FATHER , THE SON AND HOLY GHOST ARE ,,,,ONE .
IF SO , THEN WHAT IS THE MEANING OF THE TWO VERSES ABOVE ??
You did not even have to be mean-spirited about it - saying "bull crap" - all you had to add, which I wish you had pointed out (it really would have driven the point home more) is that the field doesn't EVOLVE (irony intended there). There's only so much you can learn. You can read the Bible backwards and forwards but you can reach a point where there's nothing left to learn.
The field would not be a waste of time - and without watching the video again I seem to remember you pointing this out, too - is if it was a study of ALL religions, within the context of history and the history of religion and culture. Or maybe as part of psychology, why do people need religion? YouTuber " anubis2814" has a great series on this.
Can I first say I enjoyed your music I think influenced by Beethoven. I sent you my theory on concepts that I am still trying to get right.
Mathematics don't work in infinity and the only thing that works is concepts. Early man found infinity called it God and the BS began. Take the concept of evolution it exists in our brains it also exists in the Universe and before the big bang. The understanding of concepts is it and you are just the sort of person who can do this.
BULLCRAP BULLCRAP I couldn't agree more. I tend to come to the same thought a book written by people making moral laws for a world long ago where they thought the earth was the center of the universe and believe magic was also a reasonable study.
I'm a classics professor, large trained in New Testament and in Patristics and an Atheist. (although I have to use a fundamentalist seminary's library for my work) . Because I do know the ancient languages and the history of theology I could make a much more devastating criticism than many of the Youtube atheists who often say things about biblical history or theology that 'aren't even wrong' as they say. So don't discount learning just because your position is correct.
Then you should start making some videos on the subject. I'm sure a lot of people would like to learn more about all this stuff from someone who really is into the matter.
I would definitely subscribe to a channel who offers this kind of info.
i fully agree with you! however, one could argue that the church at least too some care of the poor in the old days. but surely, it was inefficiently spend money to have it to go through the church at all.
If you read books on anti-Christianity, you will NEVER find the truth about God! You can't go to satan, to find out the truth about God!
Matthew 13:42 "And shall cast them into a furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth".
Satan knows that he is doom! So he wants to take all of you'll with him!
In the last days there will only be a few real Christians on earth! Don't let the evil of this world fool you. Read your Bible and Pray everyday!! "HISTORY REPEATS"
@BeforeLifeHeWas "If you read books on anti-Christianity, you will NEVER find the truth about God! You can't go to satan, to find out the truth about God!" im with you on that statement
I like to study old religions and myths because it's fun and fascinating, not because I believe any of it is true. A degree in Theology is strange though. You don't have to go to school to learn about ancient religions and myths. All it takes is an internet connection and an ample amount of your time. Now learning a dead or ancient language, that will require some school.
Believe it or not, this is the very point Nietzsche was making when he said "God is Dead". He did not mean that as a metaphorical or literal statement, or even as a commentary on religion. He meant that we have tried theologically based philosophies to try to understand morality, the universe, our nature, or purpose and it has bright nothing but confusion and sophistry, It has distracted us from living life and thinking about things sanely.
Bottom line is: ZERO EVIDENCE means nothing. Nothing to dismiss. Dismissing Manetho, Kenyon, Book of Sothis, Akhenaten's monotheism, the Bible, the Amarna letters and all else supportive of the Exodus is not "zero" evidence. It's just your opinion that the "evidence" amounts to zero confirmation. But that's YOUR opinion of the "evidence", it doesn't mean the evidence does not exist. As noted, 1386 BCE is linked to 1947, the KTU 1.78 dates Exdus to exact same year. I'm impressed!
Why would God causing the moon to be brought into Earth's orbit from elsewhere be such a challenging thought to you? I believe that is more logical than the moon spinning out of the earth in some explosion then ending up in its orbit? I think there had to be some precise coordination and if the earth was already in existence, why not the moon? My view does not contradict the context of Genesis so it works for me!
I should do another Exodus vid. But since you said there was nil evidence, let me remind you that it would be one thing if there was zero secular reference to the Exodus. Well Manetho mentions it. I would ask WHY? if it didn't happen. And further, Syncellus and the Book of Sothis give specific dating for Joseph and thus the Exodus at the end of the reign of Amenhotep III. Why these secular references if it didn't happen, and during the correct NOW archaeologically proven reign? 0 evidence?
DP: Regarding David. Archaeology found a distinct end of the "Philistine pottery period" dated well into the "10th century BCE". Dating the Exodus to 1386 BCE dates David to 949-909 BCE. That matches perfectly the end of the PPP in the mid-10th century BCE as archaeologists confirm. David, of course, supposedly conquered the Philistines. So again, I find no contradiction and from my perspective proof of the Bible's history from archaeology.
You mean what the Bible says? I have nothing to add. I know there are some Sumerian texts only that mention some architect Nimrod hired that was involved, I don't really remember exactly, but it was something like de d'palain or paladin or something. Destepaladin or something like that. I can't remember. (smile) Just kidding. Actually whatever the Bible says is my version. Basically God wanted man to spread out, I suppose for genetic racial reasons and not create a big city, etc.
DP: Think of ME. It is far, far, far too coincidental that we have proof of the absolute date for Akhenaten in 1386 BCE based on the KTU 1.78 text. The fact that we can confirm the absolute date of the Exodus independently doesn't make sense. This text dates a fire at Ugarit, so I'm tending to think God had that text written and then set that fire to preserve it, then had someone write about the fire to date Akhenaten's rule. So TRUST ME, science is proving a lot for the believers right now.
DP: One more. Think about Christian apologetics here. I'm stuck with 1947 to fulfill the 70th jubilee which sticks me with the ABSOLUTE DATE of 1386 BCE for the 1st of Akhenaten and the Exodus. I check things out and an astronomical text, the KTU 1.78 dates an eclipse in year 12 of Akhenaten in 1375 BCE which dates his year 1 to 1386 BCE. What am I supposed to do? Presume coincidence? The one date I'm stuck with can be independently confirmed. You say zero evidence I say: MIRACLE!
DP: You've decided there is ZERO evidence because you've decided to characterize the evidence that way. I'm just the opposite. I see Akhenaten's sudden conversion to monotheism as direct and absolute proof the Exodus occurred in 1386 BCE. So your "zero" evidence is just your own personal opinion and interpretation of the evidence for YOUR need not to believe, but it is 100% evidence for me. So I will gladly agree to disagree on INTERPRETATION of the "zero" evidence.
DP: I might do a vid on the gold rationing and military decrease. Both those things are consistent with the Biblical reference that the Israelites stripped the Egyptians of their gold and that the primary army was destroyed in the Red Sea. The mummy of Amh3 had to have a special embalming, suggesting the body was damaged or poorly preserved, but clearly would fit a delayed embalming due to floating around in the Red Sea a day or two, etc. So you dismiss while I'm seeing NON-CONTRADICTION.
DP: There is always going to be that gap between pessimism and optimism; the glass half full or half empty. So look at it from my perspective. I'm a believer desperately looking for extra-Biblical evidence of the Exodus. I have the dating based on 1947 to date it to 1386 BCE. When I look into who was ruling, I see Akhenaten converting to monotheism. That works! You decide he was on drugs or got hit in the head. Fine. But I'm not CONTRADICTED. In the meantime, Jericho falls in 1346 BCE.
Kathleen Kenyon: Digging Up Jericho, Jericho, page 262:
"As concerns the date of the destruction of Jericho by the Israelites, all that can be said is that the latest Bronze Age occupation should, in my view, be dated to the third quarter of the fourteenth century B.C. This is a date which suits neither the school of scholars which would date the entry of the Israelites into Palestine to c. 1400 B.C. nor the school which prefers a date of c. 1260 B.C."
But there is MORE. More from archaeology, ancient history, revisionism by Plato, all kinds of things you know nothing about upon which your "skeptism" is based. Your skeptism works in ignorance and darkness, but in the light you are an ill-prepared handwaver. I wanted to help enlighten you since you clearly are intelligent. But you're "not interested in Plato." Wow. UR clueless and are posting anti-Bible vids on YouTube. Hard to believe. Well what do you think of David and Solomon?
This is what has happened. YOU challenged my faith in the Bible and now I have more faith than ever since you folded when the true facts were presented. All the Bible requires is monotheistic state religion after 1386 BCE and a new altar in the middle of Egypt at that time. That is confirmed for the reign of Akhenaten. So you can't say the Bible is not true. Period. You want to pretend the alleged 10 plagues and the monotheism are not connected? ROFL!!! You'll never sell that DP... sorry.
Actually, he loves the righteous and gives them light: "He that has much (faith), more will be given to him. He that has nothing, even that will be taken away." Meaning if there are any miracles to be seen (like the "sign of the son of man") it will appear to those who already have faith to move mountains. For the doubters God gives them deceptive stumbling blocks to trip them up in the darkness he keeps them in. It's sort of like throwing them in darkness then leading them to a steep cliff
Oh, I get it. Those who have seen Christ and the "sign of the son of man" appear precisely as prophesied are lunatics, not to be believed, until Armageddon actually starts and people start dropping dead. Until that time the Bible has zero credibility. Well fine. We'll have to see. I'm just noting that before God shows himself to the world he has shown himself to his elect, so we know ahead of time what reality is. I can accept that. SEEING is believing.
What can I say? If you see something, you tend to believe it to be true. If seeing is not knowing then we all are having very vivid imaginations, potentially, not knowing anything real at all that we see.
I definitely will. The more archaeologists discover, the narrower their options become it seems as far as dating or wild speculation about what did or didn't happen. All I can say is that when you retro date the Exodus based upon 1947 as the last jubilee you get very good RC14 and archaeological dating for the Exodus in 1386 BCE, the fall of Jericho in 1346 BCE and Shishak's invasion c. 871 BCE! That includes astrotexts like the KTU 1.78! So easier to believe thanks to science these days.
See? This explains why some people are atheists. People who don't talk to God personally tend not to believe in him, those that do have not choice (just kidding, sort of, i.e. Moses)
The evidence for the Exodus is SUBJECTIVE. For instance, once you fix the date to 1386 BCE, you have the mummy of Amh3, an Amarna letter giving context of his public death, gold rationing and decreased military, plus national conversion to monotheism. So "Zero" is just bias from my side of the aisle. Sorry.
SOLOMON: The Bible says he built at Megiddo, Gezer and Hazor. Massive 6-chambered gates are found at these sites clearly built by the same king at a time of great opulence in Israel. That proves the time of Solomon was real. Further, archaeologists date these buildings in the "early 9th century BCE" which would match Solomon's rule from 909-870 BCE when the Exodus falls in 1386 BCE. So again, science confirms the Bible. So yes, there is "zero" evidence if your eyes are closed and ignore facts
Two archeologists, Silberman and Finkelstein, have shown that the Exodus, among many other Biblical stories, never existed. Read the book or watch their video "The Bible Unearthed".
666 ttally works for me to identify the modern beast as Christendom who believe in the trinity. Don't you get it? 666= 3 numbers yet 1 number, as in "three gods yet one god", the pagan trinity doctrine adopted by Christendom?
I can't be responsible for your opinions and conclusions that don't work out for you. I can only deal with how I manipulate them to work out for my fundamentalist fantasies, which is banging right now!
PROBLEM: THERE IS MORE. That's UR problem DP. You see after the Exodus gets confirmed, then you have Jericho dating issues which work out great. Then you have archaeologic David and Solomon issues that get confirmed. Right, those PALACES Solomon built are right there at Megiddo, just misdated by lying archaeologists that you think are telling you the truth and upon which you base your conclusions. The Bible is true history once you get the timeline fixed. U are not interested Plato? Sorry
DP: If closing your eyes is the way to keep your fake skepticism going, then great. God has arranged enough stumbling blocks and blinds for you to always be deceived. In fact, he doesn't help the non-believers a bit:
ACTS 13:41 Behold it, YOU scorners, and wonder at it, and vanish away, because I am working a work in YOUR days, a work that YOU will by no means believe even if anyone relates it to YOU in detail.
So OUR message to YOU is that we are having a Biblical field day!
Remember DP, you invited Christians to EXPLAIN THEIR OWN INTERPRETATIONS of how they see the Bible being true. I explained to you the corrected date for the Exodus and all the evidence supports it. I interpret the facts the way I want to that makes the Bible work. I'm not interested in any one else's ideas that don't work for THEM. The Bible works for ME, even if God has blinded your mind. Many future events are year-specific that have come true, even Israel becoming a great nation.
This is a logical fallacy. You are filling in the blanks of your ignorance with unsubstantiated speculation that fits your preconceived notions and selectively looking for additional "evidence", however flimsy, that will affirm the conclusion you've already made.
OK, that's UR view. I'm just saying I don't need your interpretation of the facts to come to my own conclusion. I'm just saying archaeology works for me, even if you think I'm manipulating it, since that's all I'm claiming you are doing by ignoring the facts.
The FACTS are that Isa 19 requires a conversion to monotheism after the 10 plagues and a new center of worship in the middle of Egypt and that it occur specifically in 1386 BCE. The facts confirm monotheism at that time. Done.
Let me explain what has happened. You presented yourself as an honest, logical, objective person with the facts who are forced to dismiss the Bible because of the FACTS. I have shown you the facts support the Bible. Therefore, you don't speak for "science" or "archaeology" any more. UR just someone with an opinion now. Archaeology is on my side. We are just two intellectuals who have our own interpretation of the facts. I've proved my claim, you haven't. I've answered U.
THEOLOGY NOTE: Again, though the dating of the Exodus to 1386 BCE is based in THEOLOGY. It is based centrally on prophecy linked to a modern event, the Jewish restoration in 1947. That absolute and FIXED date impacts on the Exodus date of 1386 BCE. Funny to me, the KTU 1.78 astrotext confirms the same precise year for the 1st of Akhenaten. His monotheism sufficiently acknowledges the trauma and inspiration of the 10 plagues, whether you need to marginalize it for yourself or not. I'm happy!
It always amazes me the gall that Christians have to claim that Israel is fulfillment of prophecy when it was only by the Christian's efforts that Israel was created, compliments of my tax dollars.
DP:This is not why U DON'T believe but why someone like me DOES believe. I'm not trying to convert you. But even you would agree that IF the 10 plagues really happened, you'd expect something similar to this. Further, Isaiah 19:19 confirms the altar in the middle of Egypt as the time of the Exodus, so Akhenaten is locked in and specific. All I can do is tell you how wonderful it is to have confirmation of the ten plagues via Akhenaten, which is how I'm interpreting this.U can stay a skeptic.
See? You don't do your homework. If there was a record it would have been those of Akhenaten. The later Egyptians hated this embarrassing event so much, they completely obliterated Akhenaten from their history including any mention of the Jews! UR position is not reflective of the reality. You're not paying attention nor know enough detail. Because of the records destroyed immediately after the Exodus, apologists don't expect to find natural mention of this event. It's not an issue.
The very focussed change to monotheism at this time is not PROOF of the ten plagues by direct standards but it is CONSISTENT with what we'd expect. It was so traumatic for Egyptians they completely obliterated Akhenaten from history in later times. This was incredibly different. He was called a "heretic" king so it wasn't business as usual or a little eccentricity to the Egyptians. I'm just happy this proves the 10 plagues really happened! It's amazing! This could have been a contradiction
If the OT mentioned Akhenaten by name, maybe I would accept that there could be a pattern here. Since there's no way to correlate these two suppsed events, I see this as grasping for straws.
A Muslim I'm debating with says that since Jesus cured Leprosy in the Koran, that "proves" the Koran is truly divinely inspired. "Proof" is where you find it, I suppose.
ROFL! UR an anti-Biblicalist skeptic. So its not your position to marginalize what a believer interprets as fulfilling the Bible. I'm on the other side of the interpretation. Bottom line is, a drastric religious move toward monotheism in response to the ten plagues, once we confirm the chronology, is sufficient to explain why the monotheism was adopted and in turn lends to confirming not only that this is the correct dating but this event actually happened. So it's how I SEE IT, not you.
This is what passes for "facts" among the apologists: make a bunch of unsubstantiated assumptions and claim them as "proof" of your beliefs.
You do not KNOW what caused the move to monotheism. Seeing as how this occurred in other cultures, not the least of which among the ancient Hebrews, there's no reason to assume a supernatural cause unless you have other reasons to think so.
DP: Basically, I can understand your skepticism if you have all the wrong information or total lack of information. But from MY point of view, from one who actually does the research, the Bible comes out quite impressive, and some of that is the CORRECT THEOLOGICAL interpretation. Apologists are sometimes their own worst enemy. I'm just here to say I believe there is a god based on my comparative research in archaeology, astronomy and ancient history; not the lies told by pagan academicians.
THEOLOGY APPLIED: Per theology the restoration of the Jewish homeland on November 30, 1947 marks the 70th jubilee week. That means the Exodus must be dated to 1386 BCE. When we look for evidence of the Exodus at that date we come across the KTU 1.78 astronomical text that dates year 12 of Akhenaten to 1375 BCE, thus his 1st year falls in 1386 BCE. He converted to monotheism. So how come a "theological" date based on1947 is the absolute dating for the Exodus and Akhenaten's astrotext yr 1?
DeistP: If you're going to be a real SKEPTIC you have to do your homework. Otherwise, you're just another deceived propagandist. I was hoping more from you. Anyway, you look good on YouTube so enjoy the shallowness. I'm sure you are telling your ill-educated audience exactly what they want to hear. We all enjoy fantacies, but this time its not the Bible. I've defeated your arguments. As I expected to.
Have a great day. U should call yourself the Shallow Skeptic from now on, right?
DP: You present yourself as a skeptic trying to appeal to reason. You need a slam dunk to claim the Bible is mythical. But you are unwilling to investigate all the facts. What about the myths and lies of pagans? It's all connected. Look at it from my point of view. 1386 BCE has to be the Biblical date for the Exodus. When I investigate that year I find Akhenaten converting to monotheism, a reasonable response to 10 plagues. So why shouldn't I believe? You can understand.
THE DELIAN PROBLEM. Depending upon what conclusion you come to as to why Plato is being consulted 2 years before he is born will really show how honest or smart you are. I already know the answer. (smile) Can YOU figure it out? Of course, the true answer will determine if enjoy being deceived or not. I'm anxious to see what your answer will be. If you're honest enough about this, then you can be objective about the Bible, otherwise, you can't be.
the oracle at delphi was consulted about the problem who imparted divine wisdom onto socrates who used plato as his mouthpiece. that's the only connection i could think of but i'm interested to see the answer.
Webm2089: Interesting but the issue is the chronology here. The 2nd year of the war was 430 BCE but Plato wasn't born until 2 years later in 428 BCE. Any comment on that discrepancy?
BTW Socrates entered the war at 32 and likely was in some battle at the time and is not involved with this problem. Plato was consulted directly. thanks.
I couldn't care less about when Plato was born. History is recorded by humans. I hold the Bible to a higher standard of historical accuracy. It's supposed to be the Word of God.
Good answer. Point being the history of the world is connected to the Bible. So let's get down to it. Xenophon revised the Greek timeline, pushing the PPW back from 403 when Plato was 25 to 431 BCE so that now he isn't born when the war starts. When you make the correction of those unreliable liars then it affects Biblical dating for the Exodus.The Exodus happened at end of Amenhotep III. Akhenaten became a monotheist because of ten plagues proving the Bible is true.1386 BCE is correct date.
You can prove that the ten plagues happened, right? You can offer even a shred of evidence aside from the religious transition in Egypt, right? And while you're at it, you can also explain why Akhenaten worshiped Ra instead of Yahweh as the one true god, right?
It's a matter of circumstances. That is, once you get an absolute date for the Exodus, we examine things that might contradict the Bible story. For instance, the pharaoh who dies has to reign less than 40 yrs! That checks out. Of course, one would suppose the 10 plagues would have some religious impact? What kind? How about a shift toward monotheism? That's what happened. So while not direct PROOF, there is consistency. To ME it is proof the 10 plagues happened. Ra vs Aten vs YHWH?
I would expect the Nile turning to blood or every first born being slain to have made it's way into some sort of Egyptian historical account. The shift from polytheism to monotheism alone is something that other cultures have gone through (Hebrew included), so this in isolation of anything is not sufficient. The fact that the mysterious pharaoh isn't named in the OT is suspicious, considering the tendency of the OT to name every other character.
The point is, that there was a shift. That is, had we identified 1386 BCE as the absolute Exodus date and there was no drastic religious change, then you'd be using that as a basis for nothing drastic happening. So I expect that you would water down this drastic affect of the 10 plagues. But that's YOUR skeptic position. I'm not burdened with having to find excuses, I can consider this event as direct evidence of the ten plagues. That's the point, a national change in religion is consistent.
DP: You are not coming up to the plate. You take lying archaeologists words and interpretations verbatim without question and then think that is proof against the Bible. So that's why I say you are deceived. When I tried to show you something important, you waved it off: "I don't care about Plato." So how can you be taken seriously? UR not dealing with the whole picture. The Bible looks bad in a distorted context, but great when the timeline is corrected. That's all I'm saying.UR deceived.
DP: Per my investigation, which clears up the lies of archaeologists and anti-Biblical pagans, the Bible does quite well. I have the references to correct the fake timeline that misdates the Exodus and that's what my next video will be about. But you have already shown when things don't go well you just ignore the argument. That will not do. Akhenaten's monotheism is a "strong statement" the 10 plagues actually happened. Why else would the entire nation become monotheists? It's amazing!!
DeistP: Just as a note to you. If U don't deal with the WHOLE PICTURE of history, archaeology and astronomy then you have no business Bible bashing. You have to up the game if you're going to Bible bash otherwise it is clear this is a topic out of your league. The Bible is true history and you can't prove otherwise. U can try but you'll have to use the defective and revised secular timeline which you just proved you know little about. UR arguments are invalid if you don't go the full 9 yds.
You know Lars, every time I hear a Christian say "historical documents" in relation to the Bible, I keep picturing that movie about the alien culture that thought an earth TV show was about history. I look forward to a more rational future when anyone who suggests the Bible is a reliable historical account rather than a collection of mythology is simply laughed out of the room.
In the meantime, I have a video on "historical documents" that should explain my views on that subject.
Sure, but you must do your homework. That's all I'm saying. The archaeologists say there is no proof of the Exodus because they are looking at the wrong pharaohs. What if we look at the actual Biblical pharaoh? Isa 19 confirms that Egypt would "repent" thus convert to monotheism and build an altar in the middle of Egypt. That is archaeologically confirmed by el-Amarna which Akhenaten built. So what little is here to confirm the Bible is consistent with the chronology.
Now I see you as practical and intelligent which makes you vulnerable to reality and facts, unlike some really ignorant Christians. So here's your test. THE DELIAN PROBLEM. Look it up. You'll see it claims Plato was consulted in 430 BCE in the 2nd year of the PPW to solve a tough geometry problem of how to double the cube. He wasn't able to do it so referred it to Archytas who solved it. But guess what? The problem is that Plato was not born until 428 BCE. You need to resolve this.
I like you but you are in the "minor leaques" with major league potential. I must say I agree with you on some points. But as far as astrology degree, ancient astrology and astronomy is a fascinating look into the past and how the universe affected culture, so I do see a legitimate degree in that aspect of "astrology" not as it might have application to our lives. But let me give you a test to see just how smart you really are... THE DELIAN PROBLEM
I say to you. Rather analyzing bull crap or internal medicine, they both consume fruits of labor. Can a man support his family by the profane of his tongue? Will the one True God show respect to the flesh when provoked and do nothing? Do you believe in practical Jesus? The Word is God God will not support such error. Your symphonies is not of God and thats God showing me the depths of deception. Paraphrasing is not of God.
Go fuck yourself, you bag. Go into the corner and pray to your ceiling.
No one cares that you think we're all demons in disguise. It's your burden to bear. I'd recommend a psychiatrist or some medicine for your psychological illness, but you'd probably just claim we're trying to inhabit your brain with demon drugs.
You made a shitload of completely baseless claims on something you cannot demonstrate your knowledge of. Your source of knowledge is your delusional brain.
I have a masters in Theology so I take this one personally. First let me ask you 2 questiosn: Do you think the study of philosophy, ethics, or counseling is a worthwile discipline? Do you think that universities like Harvard, Yale, OXford, and Cambridge, are full of non-thinking bullcrap spouters? Your problem is that you see theology as only a study of the bible when it is MUCH more than that. Theology is valid even more than philsophy because it gives meaning to peoples lives in a physical way
Absolutely YES!!! I believe Islam, Hinduism, and Buddhism, have given alot to our world and our thoughts and continue to do so. However this is not to say that ALL islamic Imams are helpful, or all Christian theologians are of benefit to the world. THere are alot of religious nuts out their, and a lot of wasted time, talent, and money. But such human waste is not the cause of: or result of theological thinking.
It seem to me that the more creative ontics that emerge from the less rigorous methodology of religion allows it to plug emotional holes at the expense of truth it could much more effectively utilized in life.
It's parallel to letting your kid play video games instead of going to school. Sure, they will learn something, but what have they lost? And will the illusion of the game distort life so severely that they are essentially dysfunctional?
Interesting analogy, I like it, though I disagree. 1st I would ask What is TRUTH when you get down to it, we are all living in belief systems. 2. Is truth ALWAYS better than belief? This is complicated, but if truth brings pain and suffering, and belief brings hope and happiness, in some occasions wouldn't it be better not to know the truth? Finally, One can believe in religion without having to give up any thing else. You can play videogames and go to school also you can pray and go to a doctor
Trying to escape a harsh reality through denial or delusion only ends up bringing on even more pain. Such tactics render us incapable of addressing the real problem, going through the grieving process or improving the situation.
The human spirit is indomitable. If we're willing to face a problem with honesty, we often find ourselves more capable of adapting than we expected.
There's enough real wonder in the universe to inspire. We don't need fairy tales.
Definitely. It's a matter of balancing personal freedom and societal health. It personally tick me off to have to pay for the loss of productivity due to the poor lifestyle choices of others.
One major contributor to the loss of productivity is the disinterest in science among young people due to the belief that we are just sitting around in wait for the rapture, so there is no sense in attempting to explore and improve the human condition.
philstilwell did a good response. but i shall add.
religion is a semi-coherent bunch of myths and legends. using religion as a replacement for philosophy avoids the whole picture, for ethics leads you to racism, slavery, and general intollerence, and for counselling it preys on vunerable minds and can make a patient end up worse off than when they began since they believe the myths are real and live by those consequences instead of real life.
Congratulations!! I was just thinking how a child or romance would remind me there must be a God, but I suppose "chance" plus a trillion years could explain practically anything in the mind of an atheist.
Though I understand your point, theology has a role. Philosophical theology (or "natural theology") argues for the existence of God from much the same position as the Deist does. Regarding religious theology, you have likely spent more time studying the Bible than many theology majors. I doubt you would consider this wasted time. It is precisely this time and effort on your part that gives your arguments such credibility. Keep up the great work!
I have often had that same feeling about religious degrees. funny thought; An islamic student defending his thesis with a panel of mormons. Same goes for religious hospitals.
psychology does have applications. although i think what most psychologists study is incomplete for their education. they need, for a start, an education in human evolution.
I've taken some psychology courses and I was amazed that they started with conclusions to meet their political agendas and from there went on to find evidence to support it - definitely not a science.
I also went to several counselors / psychologists - one had a big picture of Jesus behind him, another recommended astrology, another kept pushing fate "everything happens for a reason". They all dismissed me when I challenged them. I never got any of that nonsense from a M.D. (real doctor)
I never hear Christians criticize anyone who agrees with them for not having a degree in Theology. I'm guessing if you converted to Christianity tomorrow and started making videos preaching the word of Jesus, Christians wouldn't have a problem with your lack of experience in Theology.
Bullseye. My cousin-in-law got a bachelor's of theology, then went on to get her Master's. Now she can get only menial work, is dependent on her husband, and is saddled with a mountain of debt. Now she must go back to school to find something useful to major in, whilst getting herself into even more debt.
antitheist1980 2 months ago
I agree in part....those who have degrees in theology in order to do Christian ministry or apologetics are wasting a big part of their lives. But what about theologians who study the bible as literature? I'm fascinated by the bible, and I'm glad there are guys like Bart Ehrman who have taken the time to make more sense of it for the layperson. Is literature as a field of study a waste of time? Philosophy? History?
mjt532 4 months ago
I couldn't agree more with you on this issue. However, you left out discrimination in your list of god-inspired hatred and I'm sure I left out many many more issues that have prevented society from growing, or evolving I should say.
Thank you!! Thank you for being braver than me in saying the things I just wish I could say in front of a camera on YouTube. THANK YOU!!
happyraver1958 5 months ago
Theology is the equilavent of me reading the Lord of the Rings and then telling other people what I think about it. I can say whatever I want and it has the same credentials as being theology as someone elses completely different opinion on the same issue. There is no consensus. It is like openly admitting:'ok we cant prove these things scientifically, so we take the easy way out and make up whatever we want and call it intellectual'.A random person is as good in theology as a learned theologian
byteresistor 1 year ago
What do you make of Philosophy as an Academic pursuit?
Crunchybear1 1 year ago
Each christian denomination has a theology, so each comes up with a different understanding of the same book. Arminians believe salvation is available to all, but only some will repent. Calvinists believe god has an elect group to save (to hell with the others). Universalists believe all will be saved. Imagine if one "school of science" taught that water boils at 100 degrees fahrenheit, another at 150, and another at 250. That would not be science.
4um360 1 year ago
John, I deeply agree with you that theology is no science... theology has nothing common with science... FUCK theology...
karlawachsmann 1 year ago
oh and real quick just watch all this to i know u believe there is no GOD but just look at the astronomy part of it ok : ) Indescribable by Louie Giglio - Part 1 of 5
MrMannyfsu 1 year ago
praying for u man and im here with open ears and if u ever have any questions ask man im here have a great day man
MrMannyfsu 1 year ago
and look up on youtube Non Biblical evidence as proof for Jesus Christ (1 of 4) and watch all four parts, what harm can it do if u are so sure u are right u know, im not hear to cause chaos lol but with love, man who made this video u are so smart and i hope GOD shows himself to u and just follow the scientific evidence caz when i did i found the truth and that is that Christ was a real man that he was accounted as dead and that he did many miracles that are undeniable and he rose again.
MrMannyfsu 1 year ago
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read the book The case for Christ and watch the movie as well, if u are truly a man after the truth always follow the evidence that is true and if u want throw the bible out of it right now and go off of the manuscripts and things that hystorians and philosophers. Just look at ALL the evidence man, trust me i was like u and i know where ur coming from i do but archiology and non christians are proving the bible
MrMannyfsu 1 year ago
read the book The case for Christ and watch the movie as well, if u are truly a man after the truth always follow the evidence that is true and if u want throw the bible out of it right now and go off of the manuscripts and things that hystorians and philosophers. Just look at ALL the evidence man, trust me i was like u and i know where ur coming from i do but archiology and non christians are proving the bible
MrMannyfsu 1 year ago
Cheap suit.... Repeatative speach... Bible in your hand. Well... Step your knowledge up.
HAZe1605 1 year ago
@HAZe1605 damn it seems like you are talking to yourself=¨¨¨step your knowledge up!¨
gbortuhno 1 year ago
I wonder if you would please clarify what you mean when you said: "It is time as a society [stop] respecting Christian and Muslim beliefs [.]"
Alighieri2200 1 year ago
@Alighieri2200 Religion gets not only a free pass in our society, never having to provide evidence for some of the most incredible beliefs, but we offer undeserved respect to this pseudo-academic field. Christianity and Islam need to be regarded the same way we think of astrology, voodoo magic and the abandoned ancient mythologies of Zeus, Odin and Ra.
DeistPaladin 1 year ago 8
@DeistPaladin Zeus, Odin and Ra are still actively worshipped, bro. Check out Hellenismos, Asatru and Kemetism.
demonella 6 months ago
Very good video - I liked it.
Resenbrink 1 year ago
i'm not a believer in God but i do study Theology. Just because you don't believe in something doesnt make it uninteresting, and by you yourself talking about it you have proved it to be a subject worthy of discussion. People study subjects that they find intreguing, noone studying Physics for example is going to study it if they find it insanely boring. So how can you say it is a worthless subject when you admit yourself that you have read books about Theological subjects?
satsuthegreat 1 year ago
this is absolutely brilliant... theology is a non subject.. superherology would be just as valid.. probably more so in that it would be actually fun.
lukeism2 1 year ago
I like this guys tone of voice on the subject!
wachnathan 1 year ago
Can we Curse ?
Mathew 12;31-32
According to verse 12;31-All the Manner of SIN AND BLASPHEMY, Shall be Forgiven,BUT Against the holy GHOST ,Shall not be Forgiven .
According to 12;32 - Whosoever Speaketh a Word Against the SON OF MAN( JESUS) , It shall be Forgiven .BUT Whosoever Speaketh Against the HOLY GHOST , Shall not be Forgiven .
NOW ; ACCORDING TO CHRISTIANS , FATHER , THE SON AND HOLY GHOST ARE ,,,,ONE .
IF SO , THEN WHAT IS THE MEANING OF THE TWO VERSES ABOVE ??
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PeidoLord 1 year ago
You did not even have to be mean-spirited about it - saying "bull crap" - all you had to add, which I wish you had pointed out (it really would have driven the point home more) is that the field doesn't EVOLVE (irony intended there). There's only so much you can learn. You can read the Bible backwards and forwards but you can reach a point where there's nothing left to learn.
artman2oo3 2 years ago
Fair enough. I just get so angry when I take in the sheer waste involved.
DeistPaladin 2 years ago
The field would not be a waste of time - and without watching the video again I seem to remember you pointing this out, too - is if it was a study of ALL religions, within the context of history and the history of religion and culture. Or maybe as part of psychology, why do people need religion? YouTuber " anubis2814" has a great series on this.
artman2oo3 2 years ago
@DeistPaladin I'm rather disappointed in this video. It's not bullcrap... It's bullshit, sir. :P
RomansPwnedJesus 1 year ago
But then those people would need to get real jobs and actually think and use their brains...
Theology is the perfect front for the slacker. It's like having a degree in Lord of the Rings or Star Wars
Think about it, all these guys do is threaten you with hell and then demand money from you...how awesome is that? It's a legit mafia.
I wish I had thought of it when I was in school...
torak101 2 years ago
Can I first say I enjoyed your music I think influenced by Beethoven. I sent you my theory on concepts that I am still trying to get right.
Mathematics don't work in infinity and the only thing that works is concepts. Early man found infinity called it God and the BS began. Take the concept of evolution it exists in our brains it also exists in the Universe and before the big bang. The understanding of concepts is it and you are just the sort of person who can do this.
petebax1 2 years ago
Hear, hear.
shlockofgod 2 years ago
BULLCRAP BULLCRAP I couldn't agree more. I tend to come to the same thought a book written by people making moral laws for a world long ago where they thought the earth was the center of the universe and believe magic was also a reasonable study.
MykRefer 2 years ago
I'm a classics professor, large trained in New Testament and in Patristics and an Atheist. (although I have to use a fundamentalist seminary's library for my work) . Because I do know the ancient languages and the history of theology I could make a much more devastating criticism than many of the Youtube atheists who often say things about biblical history or theology that 'aren't even wrong' as they say. So don't discount learning just because your position is correct.
HConstantine 2 years ago
Then you should start making some videos on the subject. I'm sure a lot of people would like to learn more about all this stuff from someone who really is into the matter.
I would definitely subscribe to a channel who offers this kind of info.
asteroydus 2 years ago
To say nothing of the obscene wealth poured into the Vatican.
AlbionFan57 2 years ago
i fully agree with you! however, one could argue that the church at least too some care of the poor in the old days. but surely, it was inefficiently spend money to have it to go through the church at all.
VicTheVicar 2 years ago
If you read books on anti-Christianity, you will NEVER find the truth about God! You can't go to satan, to find out the truth about God!
Matthew 13:42 "And shall cast them into a furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth".
Satan knows that he is doom! So he wants to take all of you'll with him!
In the last days there will only be a few real Christians on earth! Don't let the evil of this world fool you. Read your Bible and Pray everyday!! "HISTORY REPEATS"
BeforeLifeHeWas 2 years ago
quack quack
jsullivan80 2 years ago
@BeforeLifeHeWas WHat if you read the bible and anti-chirstian books what then is there a half heaven half hell system?
MykRefer 2 years ago
@BeforeLifeHeWas "If you read books on anti-Christianity, you will NEVER find the truth about God! You can't go to satan, to find out the truth about God!" im with you on that statement
mikelipko 2 years ago
To defend the study of theology, you can also get a degree in literature...
(I call that "Damning with transparent praise").
ristinraccoon 2 years ago
I lived next to a southwestern baptist theological seminary. I liked to point and laugh when I passed it.
juliecranford 2 years ago
I like to study old religions and myths because it's fun and fascinating, not because I believe any of it is true. A degree in Theology is strange though. You don't have to go to school to learn about ancient religions and myths. All it takes is an internet connection and an ample amount of your time. Now learning a dead or ancient language, that will require some school.
fa272 2 years ago
I read comics, basically the same thing :P Well, I think Spider-Man is more logical than Jesus.
spikevalentine13 2 years ago
Believe it or not, this is the very point Nietzsche was making when he said "God is Dead". He did not mean that as a metaphorical or literal statement, or even as a commentary on religion. He meant that we have tried theologically based philosophies to try to understand morality, the universe, our nature, or purpose and it has bright nothing but confusion and sophistry, It has distracted us from living life and thinking about things sanely.
michalchik 2 years ago 2
Amen Brother!!!!!
vottoduder 2 years ago
I totally agree with you. I don't consider theology to be a proper academic field.
devourerofbabies 2 years ago
Bottom line is: ZERO EVIDENCE means nothing. Nothing to dismiss. Dismissing Manetho, Kenyon, Book of Sothis, Akhenaten's monotheism, the Bible, the Amarna letters and all else supportive of the Exodus is not "zero" evidence. It's just your opinion that the "evidence" amounts to zero confirmation. But that's YOUR opinion of the "evidence", it doesn't mean the evidence does not exist. As noted, 1386 BCE is linked to 1947, the KTU 1.78 dates Exdus to exact same year. I'm impressed!
Larsinger58 2 years ago
I'm sorry, I stopped paying attention to what you say when you claimed the moon is from another galaxy brought to earth by God.
DeistPaladin 2 years ago
Why would God causing the moon to be brought into Earth's orbit from elsewhere be such a challenging thought to you? I believe that is more logical than the moon spinning out of the earth in some explosion then ending up in its orbit? I think there had to be some precise coordination and if the earth was already in existence, why not the moon? My view does not contradict the context of Genesis so it works for me!
Larsinger58 2 years ago
I should do another Exodus vid. But since you said there was nil evidence, let me remind you that it would be one thing if there was zero secular reference to the Exodus. Well Manetho mentions it. I would ask WHY? if it didn't happen. And further, Syncellus and the Book of Sothis give specific dating for Joseph and thus the Exodus at the end of the reign of Amenhotep III. Why these secular references if it didn't happen, and during the correct NOW archaeologically proven reign? 0 evidence?
Larsinger58 2 years ago
DP: Regarding David. Archaeology found a distinct end of the "Philistine pottery period" dated well into the "10th century BCE". Dating the Exodus to 1386 BCE dates David to 949-909 BCE. That matches perfectly the end of the PPP in the mid-10th century BCE as archaeologists confirm. David, of course, supposedly conquered the Philistines. So again, I find no contradiction and from my perspective proof of the Bible's history from archaeology.
Larsinger58 2 years ago
Explain The Tower Of Babel to us.
Glacies12 2 years ago
You mean what the Bible says? I have nothing to add. I know there are some Sumerian texts only that mention some architect Nimrod hired that was involved, I don't really remember exactly, but it was something like de d'palain or paladin or something. Destepaladin or something like that. I can't remember. (smile) Just kidding. Actually whatever the Bible says is my version. Basically God wanted man to spread out, I suppose for genetic racial reasons and not create a big city, etc.
Larsinger58 2 years ago
DP: Think of ME. It is far, far, far too coincidental that we have proof of the absolute date for Akhenaten in 1386 BCE based on the KTU 1.78 text. The fact that we can confirm the absolute date of the Exodus independently doesn't make sense. This text dates a fire at Ugarit, so I'm tending to think God had that text written and then set that fire to preserve it, then had someone write about the fire to date Akhenaten's rule. So TRUST ME, science is proving a lot for the believers right now.
Larsinger58 2 years ago
DP: One more. Think about Christian apologetics here. I'm stuck with 1947 to fulfill the 70th jubilee which sticks me with the ABSOLUTE DATE of 1386 BCE for the 1st of Akhenaten and the Exodus. I check things out and an astronomical text, the KTU 1.78 dates an eclipse in year 12 of Akhenaten in 1375 BCE which dates his year 1 to 1386 BCE. What am I supposed to do? Presume coincidence? The one date I'm stuck with can be independently confirmed. You say zero evidence I say: MIRACLE!
Larsinger58 2 years ago
DP: You've decided there is ZERO evidence because you've decided to characterize the evidence that way. I'm just the opposite. I see Akhenaten's sudden conversion to monotheism as direct and absolute proof the Exodus occurred in 1386 BCE. So your "zero" evidence is just your own personal opinion and interpretation of the evidence for YOUR need not to believe, but it is 100% evidence for me. So I will gladly agree to disagree on INTERPRETATION of the "zero" evidence.
Larsinger58 2 years ago
DP: I might do a vid on the gold rationing and military decrease. Both those things are consistent with the Biblical reference that the Israelites stripped the Egyptians of their gold and that the primary army was destroyed in the Red Sea. The mummy of Amh3 had to have a special embalming, suggesting the body was damaged or poorly preserved, but clearly would fit a delayed embalming due to floating around in the Red Sea a day or two, etc. So you dismiss while I'm seeing NON-CONTRADICTION.
Larsinger58 2 years ago
DP: There is always going to be that gap between pessimism and optimism; the glass half full or half empty. So look at it from my perspective. I'm a believer desperately looking for extra-Biblical evidence of the Exodus. I have the dating based on 1947 to date it to 1386 BCE. When I look into who was ruling, I see Akhenaten converting to monotheism. That works! You decide he was on drugs or got hit in the head. Fine. But I'm not CONTRADICTED. In the meantime, Jericho falls in 1346 BCE.
Larsinger58 2 years ago
Archaeology dating for Jericho:
Kathleen Kenyon: Digging Up Jericho, Jericho, page 262:
"As concerns the date of the destruction of Jericho by the Israelites, all that can be said is that the latest Bronze Age occupation should, in my view, be dated to the third quarter of the fourteenth century B.C. This is a date which suits neither the school of scholars which would date the entry of the Israelites into Palestine to c. 1400 B.C. nor the school which prefers a date of c. 1260 B.C."
Larsinger58 2 years ago
The counter doesn't seem to be working, stuck on 874.
aarongohn 2 years ago
But there is MORE. More from archaeology, ancient history, revisionism by Plato, all kinds of things you know nothing about upon which your "skeptism" is based. Your skeptism works in ignorance and darkness, but in the light you are an ill-prepared handwaver. I wanted to help enlighten you since you clearly are intelligent. But you're "not interested in Plato." Wow. UR clueless and are posting anti-Bible vids on YouTube. Hard to believe. Well what do you think of David and Solomon?
Larsinger58 2 years ago
For a moment I thought you were going to convert him. I think he's still a deist though....
versanil 2 years ago
This is what has happened. YOU challenged my faith in the Bible and now I have more faith than ever since you folded when the true facts were presented. All the Bible requires is monotheistic state religion after 1386 BCE and a new altar in the middle of Egypt at that time. That is confirmed for the reign of Akhenaten. So you can't say the Bible is not true. Period. You want to pretend the alleged 10 plagues and the monotheism are not connected? ROFL!!! You'll never sell that DP... sorry.
Larsinger58 2 years ago
True fact:
God doesn't give a shit about any of us.
Glacies12 2 years ago
Actually, he loves the righteous and gives them light: "He that has much (faith), more will be given to him. He that has nothing, even that will be taken away." Meaning if there are any miracles to be seen (like the "sign of the son of man") it will appear to those who already have faith to move mountains. For the doubters God gives them deceptive stumbling blocks to trip them up in the darkness he keeps them in. It's sort of like throwing them in darkness then leading them to a steep cliff
Larsinger58 2 years ago
I promise you a million dollars after you die. Sounds like bullshit doesn't it?
The bible is a caveman bedtime story and the only people that eat it up are those who think living forever is an advantage.
Saint Paul was a sales man, he knew people would only believe his bullshit if he promised something too good to be true.
And this way he doesn't have to deliver.
Glacies12 2 years ago
Oh, I get it. Those who have seen Christ and the "sign of the son of man" appear precisely as prophesied are lunatics, not to be believed, until Armageddon actually starts and people start dropping dead. Until that time the Bible has zero credibility. Well fine. We'll have to see. I'm just noting that before God shows himself to the world he has shown himself to his elect, so we know ahead of time what reality is. I can accept that. SEEING is believing.
Larsinger58 2 years ago
Seeing is believing.
Seeing is not knowing.
If you believe the bible then what can I tell you?
I don't offer you an eternal life.
But you're just a sheep, and one thats already jumped off a cliff.
Glacies12 2 years ago
What can I say? If you see something, you tend to believe it to be true. If seeing is not knowing then we all are having very vivid imaginations, potentially, not knowing anything real at all that we see.
Larsinger58 2 years ago
"If you see something"
If you can prove something, with the scientific method, it's generally true.
Keep believing your bronze age desert myths.
Glacies12 2 years ago
I definitely will. The more archaeologists discover, the narrower their options become it seems as far as dating or wild speculation about what did or didn't happen. All I can say is that when you retro date the Exodus based upon 1947 as the last jubilee you get very good RC14 and archaeological dating for the Exodus in 1386 BCE, the fall of Jericho in 1346 BCE and Shishak's invasion c. 871 BCE! That includes astrotexts like the KTU 1.78! So easier to believe thanks to science these days.
Larsinger58 2 years ago
Archeological evidence for Exodus: Zero.
Evidence for David/Solomon's magnificent empire: One stone inscription that mentions "the House of David".
DeistPaladin 2 years ago
See? This explains why some people are atheists. People who don't talk to God personally tend not to believe in him, those that do have not choice (just kidding, sort of, i.e. Moses)
The evidence for the Exodus is SUBJECTIVE. For instance, once you fix the date to 1386 BCE, you have the mummy of Amh3, an Amarna letter giving context of his public death, gold rationing and decreased military, plus national conversion to monotheism. So "Zero" is just bias from my side of the aisle. Sorry.
Larsinger58 2 years ago
SOLOMON: The Bible says he built at Megiddo, Gezer and Hazor. Massive 6-chambered gates are found at these sites clearly built by the same king at a time of great opulence in Israel. That proves the time of Solomon was real. Further, archaeologists date these buildings in the "early 9th century BCE" which would match Solomon's rule from 909-870 BCE when the Exodus falls in 1386 BCE. So again, science confirms the Bible. So yes, there is "zero" evidence if your eyes are closed and ignore facts
Larsinger58 2 years ago
@DeistPaladin
Two archeologists, Silberman and Finkelstein, have shown that the Exodus, among many other Biblical stories, never existed. Read the book or watch their video "The Bible Unearthed".
randall2020 1 year ago
Hmm, nope.
Give me any of that published in a Scientific Journal.
More importantly, Christianity could not even keep one simple, important figure in tact for 1600 years.
The number of the beast was 616
Glacies12 2 years ago
That's YOUR problem, not mine.
666 ttally works for me to identify the modern beast as Christendom who believe in the trinity. Don't you get it? 666= 3 numbers yet 1 number, as in "three gods yet one god", the pagan trinity doctrine adopted by Christendom?
I can't be responsible for your opinions and conclusions that don't work out for you. I can only deal with how I manipulate them to work out for my fundamentalist fantasies, which is banging right now!
Larsinger58 2 years ago
PROBLEM: THERE IS MORE. That's UR problem DP. You see after the Exodus gets confirmed, then you have Jericho dating issues which work out great. Then you have archaeologic David and Solomon issues that get confirmed. Right, those PALACES Solomon built are right there at Megiddo, just misdated by lying archaeologists that you think are telling you the truth and upon which you base your conclusions. The Bible is true history once you get the timeline fixed. U are not interested Plato? Sorry
Larsinger58 2 years ago
DP: If closing your eyes is the way to keep your fake skepticism going, then great. God has arranged enough stumbling blocks and blinds for you to always be deceived. In fact, he doesn't help the non-believers a bit:
ACTS 13:41 Behold it, YOU scorners, and wonder at it, and vanish away, because I am working a work in YOUR days, a work that YOU will by no means believe even if anyone relates it to YOU in detail.
So OUR message to YOU is that we are having a Biblical field day!
Larsinger58 2 years ago
Remember DP, you invited Christians to EXPLAIN THEIR OWN INTERPRETATIONS of how they see the Bible being true. I explained to you the corrected date for the Exodus and all the evidence supports it. I interpret the facts the way I want to that makes the Bible work. I'm not interested in any one else's ideas that don't work for THEM. The Bible works for ME, even if God has blinded your mind. Many future events are year-specific that have come true, even Israel becoming a great nation.
Larsinger58 2 years ago
This is a logical fallacy. You are filling in the blanks of your ignorance with unsubstantiated speculation that fits your preconceived notions and selectively looking for additional "evidence", however flimsy, that will affirm the conclusion you've already made.
DeistPaladin 2 years ago
OK, that's UR view. I'm just saying I don't need your interpretation of the facts to come to my own conclusion. I'm just saying archaeology works for me, even if you think I'm manipulating it, since that's all I'm claiming you are doing by ignoring the facts.
The FACTS are that Isa 19 requires a conversion to monotheism after the 10 plagues and a new center of worship in the middle of Egypt and that it occur specifically in 1386 BCE. The facts confirm monotheism at that time. Done.
Larsinger58 2 years ago
Let me explain what has happened. You presented yourself as an honest, logical, objective person with the facts who are forced to dismiss the Bible because of the FACTS. I have shown you the facts support the Bible. Therefore, you don't speak for "science" or "archaeology" any more. UR just someone with an opinion now. Archaeology is on my side. We are just two intellectuals who have our own interpretation of the facts. I've proved my claim, you haven't. I've answered U.
Larsinger58 2 years ago
THEOLOGY NOTE: Again, though the dating of the Exodus to 1386 BCE is based in THEOLOGY. It is based centrally on prophecy linked to a modern event, the Jewish restoration in 1947. That absolute and FIXED date impacts on the Exodus date of 1386 BCE. Funny to me, the KTU 1.78 astrotext confirms the same precise year for the 1st of Akhenaten. His monotheism sufficiently acknowledges the trauma and inspiration of the 10 plagues, whether you need to marginalize it for yourself or not. I'm happy!
Larsinger58 2 years ago
It always amazes me the gall that Christians have to claim that Israel is fulfillment of prophecy when it was only by the Christian's efforts that Israel was created, compliments of my tax dollars.
DeistPaladin 2 years ago
DP:This is not why U DON'T believe but why someone like me DOES believe. I'm not trying to convert you. But even you would agree that IF the 10 plagues really happened, you'd expect something similar to this. Further, Isaiah 19:19 confirms the altar in the middle of Egypt as the time of the Exodus, so Akhenaten is locked in and specific. All I can do is tell you how wonderful it is to have confirmation of the ten plagues via Akhenaten, which is how I'm interpreting this.U can stay a skeptic.
Larsinger58 2 years ago
What you'd expect to find with the 10 plagues is some mention of it in Egyptian history.
DeistPaladin 2 years ago
See? You don't do your homework. If there was a record it would have been those of Akhenaten. The later Egyptians hated this embarrassing event so much, they completely obliterated Akhenaten from their history including any mention of the Jews! UR position is not reflective of the reality. You're not paying attention nor know enough detail. Because of the records destroyed immediately after the Exodus, apologists don't expect to find natural mention of this event. It's not an issue.
Larsinger58 2 years ago
It's not up to me to disprove your delusions. It's up to you to prove them.
DeistPaladin 2 years ago
The very focussed change to monotheism at this time is not PROOF of the ten plagues by direct standards but it is CONSISTENT with what we'd expect. It was so traumatic for Egyptians they completely obliterated Akhenaten from history in later times. This was incredibly different. He was called a "heretic" king so it wasn't business as usual or a little eccentricity to the Egyptians. I'm just happy this proves the 10 plagues really happened! It's amazing! This could have been a contradiction
Larsinger58 2 years ago
If the OT mentioned Akhenaten by name, maybe I would accept that there could be a pattern here. Since there's no way to correlate these two suppsed events, I see this as grasping for straws.
A Muslim I'm debating with says that since Jesus cured Leprosy in the Koran, that "proves" the Koran is truly divinely inspired. "Proof" is where you find it, I suppose.
DeistPaladin 2 years ago
ROFL! UR an anti-Biblicalist skeptic. So its not your position to marginalize what a believer interprets as fulfilling the Bible. I'm on the other side of the interpretation. Bottom line is, a drastric religious move toward monotheism in response to the ten plagues, once we confirm the chronology, is sufficient to explain why the monotheism was adopted and in turn lends to confirming not only that this is the correct dating but this event actually happened. So it's how I SEE IT, not you.
Larsinger58 2 years ago
This is what passes for "facts" among the apologists: make a bunch of unsubstantiated assumptions and claim them as "proof" of your beliefs.
You do not KNOW what caused the move to monotheism. Seeing as how this occurred in other cultures, not the least of which among the ancient Hebrews, there's no reason to assume a supernatural cause unless you have other reasons to think so.
DeistPaladin 2 years ago
DP: Basically, I can understand your skepticism if you have all the wrong information or total lack of information. But from MY point of view, from one who actually does the research, the Bible comes out quite impressive, and some of that is the CORRECT THEOLOGICAL interpretation. Apologists are sometimes their own worst enemy. I'm just here to say I believe there is a god based on my comparative research in archaeology, astronomy and ancient history; not the lies told by pagan academicians.
Larsinger58 2 years ago
THEOLOGY APPLIED: Per theology the restoration of the Jewish homeland on November 30, 1947 marks the 70th jubilee week. That means the Exodus must be dated to 1386 BCE. When we look for evidence of the Exodus at that date we come across the KTU 1.78 astronomical text that dates year 12 of Akhenaten to 1375 BCE, thus his 1st year falls in 1386 BCE. He converted to monotheism. So how come a "theological" date based on1947 is the absolute dating for the Exodus and Akhenaten's astrotext yr 1?
Larsinger58 2 years ago
DeistP: If you're going to be a real SKEPTIC you have to do your homework. Otherwise, you're just another deceived propagandist. I was hoping more from you. Anyway, you look good on YouTube so enjoy the shallowness. I'm sure you are telling your ill-educated audience exactly what they want to hear. We all enjoy fantacies, but this time its not the Bible. I've defeated your arguments. As I expected to.
Have a great day. U should call yourself the Shallow Skeptic from now on, right?
Larsinger58 2 years ago
QUOTE: "you're just another deceived propagandist."
You just broke my irony detector from overload.
DeistPaladin 2 years ago
DP: You present yourself as a skeptic trying to appeal to reason. You need a slam dunk to claim the Bible is mythical. But you are unwilling to investigate all the facts. What about the myths and lies of pagans? It's all connected. Look at it from my point of view. 1386 BCE has to be the Biblical date for the Exodus. When I investigate that year I find Akhenaten converting to monotheism, a reasonable response to 10 plagues. So why shouldn't I believe? You can understand.
Larsinger58 2 years ago
THE DELIAN PROBLEM. Depending upon what conclusion you come to as to why Plato is being consulted 2 years before he is born will really show how honest or smart you are. I already know the answer. (smile) Can YOU figure it out? Of course, the true answer will determine if enjoy being deceived or not. I'm anxious to see what your answer will be. If you're honest enough about this, then you can be objective about the Bible, otherwise, you can't be.
Thanks for your reply.
Larsinger58 2 years ago
the oracle at delphi was consulted about the problem who imparted divine wisdom onto socrates who used plato as his mouthpiece. that's the only connection i could think of but i'm interested to see the answer.
webmaster2089 2 years ago
Webm2089: Interesting but the issue is the chronology here. The 2nd year of the war was 430 BCE but Plato wasn't born until 2 years later in 428 BCE. Any comment on that discrepancy?
BTW Socrates entered the war at 32 and likely was in some battle at the time and is not involved with this problem. Plato was consulted directly. thanks.
Larsinger58 2 years ago
I couldn't care less about when Plato was born. History is recorded by humans. I hold the Bible to a higher standard of historical accuracy. It's supposed to be the Word of God.
DeistPaladin 2 years ago
Good answer. Point being the history of the world is connected to the Bible. So let's get down to it. Xenophon revised the Greek timeline, pushing the PPW back from 403 when Plato was 25 to 431 BCE so that now he isn't born when the war starts. When you make the correction of those unreliable liars then it affects Biblical dating for the Exodus.The Exodus happened at end of Amenhotep III. Akhenaten became a monotheist because of ten plagues proving the Bible is true.1386 BCE is correct date.
Larsinger58 2 years ago
You can prove that the ten plagues happened, right? You can offer even a shred of evidence aside from the religious transition in Egypt, right? And while you're at it, you can also explain why Akhenaten worshiped Ra instead of Yahweh as the one true god, right?
DeistPaladin 2 years ago
It's a matter of circumstances. That is, once you get an absolute date for the Exodus, we examine things that might contradict the Bible story. For instance, the pharaoh who dies has to reign less than 40 yrs! That checks out. Of course, one would suppose the 10 plagues would have some religious impact? What kind? How about a shift toward monotheism? That's what happened. So while not direct PROOF, there is consistency. To ME it is proof the 10 plagues happened. Ra vs Aten vs YHWH?
Larsinger58 2 years ago
I would expect the Nile turning to blood or every first born being slain to have made it's way into some sort of Egyptian historical account. The shift from polytheism to monotheism alone is something that other cultures have gone through (Hebrew included), so this in isolation of anything is not sufficient. The fact that the mysterious pharaoh isn't named in the OT is suspicious, considering the tendency of the OT to name every other character.
DeistPaladin 2 years ago
The point is, that there was a shift. That is, had we identified 1386 BCE as the absolute Exodus date and there was no drastic religious change, then you'd be using that as a basis for nothing drastic happening. So I expect that you would water down this drastic affect of the 10 plagues. But that's YOUR skeptic position. I'm not burdened with having to find excuses, I can consider this event as direct evidence of the ten plagues. That's the point, a national change in religion is consistent.
Larsinger58 2 years ago
Someone needs to look up "burden of proof".
If you suggest a supernatural cause to an event, you need to provide evidence.
DeistPaladin 2 years ago
DP: You are not coming up to the plate. You take lying archaeologists words and interpretations verbatim without question and then think that is proof against the Bible. So that's why I say you are deceived. When I tried to show you something important, you waved it off: "I don't care about Plato." So how can you be taken seriously? UR not dealing with the whole picture. The Bible looks bad in a distorted context, but great when the timeline is corrected. That's all I'm saying.UR deceived.
Larsinger58 2 years ago
DP: Per my investigation, which clears up the lies of archaeologists and anti-Biblical pagans, the Bible does quite well. I have the references to correct the fake timeline that misdates the Exodus and that's what my next video will be about. But you have already shown when things don't go well you just ignore the argument. That will not do. Akhenaten's monotheism is a "strong statement" the 10 plagues actually happened. Why else would the entire nation become monotheists? It's amazing!!
Larsinger58 2 years ago
DeistP: Just as a note to you. If U don't deal with the WHOLE PICTURE of history, archaeology and astronomy then you have no business Bible bashing. You have to up the game if you're going to Bible bash otherwise it is clear this is a topic out of your league. The Bible is true history and you can't prove otherwise. U can try but you'll have to use the defective and revised secular timeline which you just proved you know little about. UR arguments are invalid if you don't go the full 9 yds.
Larsinger58 2 years ago
You know Lars, every time I hear a Christian say "historical documents" in relation to the Bible, I keep picturing that movie about the alien culture that thought an earth TV show was about history. I look forward to a more rational future when anyone who suggests the Bible is a reliable historical account rather than a collection of mythology is simply laughed out of the room.
In the meantime, I have a video on "historical documents" that should explain my views on that subject.
DeistPaladin 2 years ago
Sure, but you must do your homework. That's all I'm saying. The archaeologists say there is no proof of the Exodus because they are looking at the wrong pharaohs. What if we look at the actual Biblical pharaoh? Isa 19 confirms that Egypt would "repent" thus convert to monotheism and build an altar in the middle of Egypt. That is archaeologically confirmed by el-Amarna which Akhenaten built. So what little is here to confirm the Bible is consistent with the chronology.
Larsinger58 2 years ago
Now I see you as practical and intelligent which makes you vulnerable to reality and facts, unlike some really ignorant Christians. So here's your test. THE DELIAN PROBLEM. Look it up. You'll see it claims Plato was consulted in 430 BCE in the 2nd year of the PPW to solve a tough geometry problem of how to double the cube. He wasn't able to do it so referred it to Archytas who solved it. But guess what? The problem is that Plato was not born until 428 BCE. You need to resolve this.
Larsinger58 2 years ago
I like you but you are in the "minor leaques" with major league potential. I must say I agree with you on some points. But as far as astrology degree, ancient astrology and astronomy is a fascinating look into the past and how the universe affected culture, so I do see a legitimate degree in that aspect of "astrology" not as it might have application to our lives. But let me give you a test to see just how smart you really are... THE DELIAN PROBLEM
Larsinger58 2 years ago
As Dawkins has said: "theology is a non-subject"
stefanlittle 2 years ago
Here here!
stefanlittle 2 years ago
always awesome
TheAist 2 years ago
In Jesus name,
I say to you. Rather analyzing bull crap or internal medicine, they both consume fruits of labor. Can a man support his family by the profane of his tongue? Will the one True God show respect to the flesh when provoked and do nothing? Do you believe in practical Jesus? The Word is God God will not support such error. Your symphonies is not of God and thats God showing me the depths of deception. Paraphrasing is not of God.
VoicenGod 2 years ago
Go fuck yourself, you bag. Go into the corner and pray to your ceiling.
No one cares that you think we're all demons in disguise. It's your burden to bear. I'd recommend a psychiatrist or some medicine for your psychological illness, but you'd probably just claim we're trying to inhabit your brain with demon drugs.
Redfingers 2 years ago 2
You made a shitload of completely baseless claims on something you cannot demonstrate your knowledge of. Your source of knowledge is your delusional brain.
So go away.
Redfingers 2 years ago
lol, go see a psychiatrist.
iDeist 2 years ago
Doctorate in astrology? I'd be laughing, and probably wouldn't even be trying not to.
Heathenfidel 2 years ago
This is one of my favorite videos of yours. i expressed a similar sentiment in my William lane Craig.
agnosticman77 2 years ago
Very well put. 5 Stars.
VeritasLiber 2 years ago
favorited
ModelAnarchist 2 years ago
The study of fairies ALSO gives meaning to people's lives in a physical way.
teaboyaudio 2 years ago
Thank you for agreeing with me.
blindvoyager 2 years ago
I have a masters in Theology so I take this one personally. First let me ask you 2 questiosn: Do you think the study of philosophy, ethics, or counseling is a worthwile discipline? Do you think that universities like Harvard, Yale, OXford, and Cambridge, are full of non-thinking bullcrap spouters? Your problem is that you see theology as only a study of the bible when it is MUCH more than that. Theology is valid even more than philsophy because it gives meaning to peoples lives in a physical way
blindvoyager 2 years ago
I couldn't bring myself to post my original thoughts on blindvoyager. I will only say that I'm still sick to my stomach at the very idea.
HoleDweller 2 years ago
very idea of what?
blindvoyager 2 years ago
@blindvoyager
Do you feel that Islamic Studies or Hindu Studies are "worthwhile"? Do you not think most of their instructors spout bullcrap?
Do you think that the "meaning" that these other religions give people are worth something, even given their contra-position to Christian "meaning"?
philstilwell 2 years ago
Absolutely YES!!! I believe Islam, Hinduism, and Buddhism, have given alot to our world and our thoughts and continue to do so. However this is not to say that ALL islamic Imams are helpful, or all Christian theologians are of benefit to the world. THere are alot of religious nuts out their, and a lot of wasted time, talent, and money. But such human waste is not the cause of: or result of theological thinking.
blindvoyager 2 years ago
"Do you think the study of philosophy, ethics, or counseling is a worthwile discipline?"
yes, but these are more legitimate when religion is removed from the equation.
bignastydragon 2 years ago
explain your response, and please show your work. How is philosophy, ethics, or counseling more legitimate when religion is removed?
blindvoyager 2 years ago
It seem to me that the more creative ontics that emerge from the less rigorous methodology of religion allows it to plug emotional holes at the expense of truth it could much more effectively utilized in life.
It's parallel to letting your kid play video games instead of going to school. Sure, they will learn something, but what have they lost? And will the illusion of the game distort life so severely that they are essentially dysfunctional?
I was. philstilwellDOTcomSLASHdeconversion
philstilwell 2 years ago
Interesting analogy, I like it, though I disagree. 1st I would ask What is TRUTH when you get down to it, we are all living in belief systems. 2. Is truth ALWAYS better than belief? This is complicated, but if truth brings pain and suffering, and belief brings hope and happiness, in some occasions wouldn't it be better not to know the truth? Finally, One can believe in religion without having to give up any thing else. You can play videogames and go to school also you can pray and go to a doctor
blindvoyager 2 years ago
Trying to escape a harsh reality through denial or delusion only ends up bringing on even more pain. Such tactics render us incapable of addressing the real problem, going through the grieving process or improving the situation.
The human spirit is indomitable. If we're willing to face a problem with honesty, we often find ourselves more capable of adapting than we expected.
There's enough real wonder in the universe to inspire. We don't need fairy tales.
DeistPaladin 2 years ago
@ blindvoyager
I've never taken illegal drugs, but a few friends argue for drug usage for the same way you argue for god-usage.
If I were dying of a painful disease, I might exchange the painful reality for a hallucinogenic delusion.
But can you imagine having a nation of 85% drug users? How would you measure the loss in productivity?
The effects of god-usage are underestimated.
philstilwell 2 years ago
i see pretty big loss of productivity towards building a healthy society, don't you?
webmaster2089 2 years ago
Definitely. It's a matter of balancing personal freedom and societal health. It personally tick me off to have to pay for the loss of productivity due to the poor lifestyle choices of others.
One major contributor to the loss of productivity is the disinterest in science among young people due to the belief that we are just sitting around in wait for the rapture, so there is no sense in attempting to explore and improve the human condition.
philstilwell 2 years ago
philstilwell did a good response. but i shall add.
religion is a semi-coherent bunch of myths and legends. using religion as a replacement for philosophy avoids the whole picture, for ethics leads you to racism, slavery, and general intollerence, and for counselling it preys on vunerable minds and can make a patient end up worse off than when they began since they believe the myths are real and live by those consequences instead of real life.
bignastydragon 2 years ago 2
Is that a wedding ring on your right finger?
Surhotchaperchlorome 2 years ago
Yes, I married a little over a year ago.
DeistPaladin 2 years ago
No links to your symphonies in the side bar... They still available?
AnonEyeMouse 2 years ago
Congratulations!! I was just thinking how a child or romance would remind me there must be a God, but I suppose "chance" plus a trillion years could explain practically anything in the mind of an atheist.
Larsinger58 2 years ago
Though I understand your point, theology has a role. Philosophical theology (or "natural theology") argues for the existence of God from much the same position as the Deist does. Regarding religious theology, you have likely spent more time studying the Bible than many theology majors. I doubt you would consider this wasted time. It is precisely this time and effort on your part that gives your arguments such credibility. Keep up the great work!
iDeismFounder 2 years ago
Bull crap on a biblical scale! LOL
tecnoblix 2 years ago
You skeptical approach inspires. Thanks for your videos.
thePuzzledDragon 2 years ago
I have often had that same feeling about religious degrees. funny thought; An islamic student defending his thesis with a panel of mormons. Same goes for religious hospitals.
a300pilotster 2 years ago
Mythology is very interesting though, I love greek mythology.
SucculentJuniper 2 years ago
Do they give PhD in mythology?
Are you subscribed to ReligionThink? He reads the Bible as myth and also older myths they used as source material.
8WholeThing 2 years ago
I don't know who "they is" I was just talking about mythology in general, It is interesting to read. :P I'll check ReligionThink out.
SucculentJuniper 2 years ago
Theology should be considered a part of mythology.
bluespiral58 2 years ago
Excellent video.
crazypills2 2 years ago
To be honest i feel the same way about psychologists and councilors.
cavejourney 2 years ago
psychology does have applications. although i think what most psychologists study is incomplete for their education. they need, for a start, an education in human evolution.
bignastydragon 2 years ago
I've taken some psychology courses and I was amazed that they started with conclusions to meet their political agendas and from there went on to find evidence to support it - definitely not a science.
I also went to several counselors / psychologists - one had a big picture of Jesus behind him, another recommended astrology, another kept pushing fate "everything happens for a reason". They all dismissed me when I challenged them. I never got any of that nonsense from a M.D. (real doctor)
cavejourney 2 years ago
well i certainly now see why you feel that way. i also doubt that you got unlucky with those experiences, likely it is quite common.
they definitly need an investment of scientific method into their qualifications.
bignastydragon 2 years ago
I never hear Christians criticize anyone who agrees with them for not having a degree in Theology. I'm guessing if you converted to Christianity tomorrow and started making videos preaching the word of Jesus, Christians wouldn't have a problem with your lack of experience in Theology.
mrplow8 2 years ago 5
Well said!
99minerkc 2 years ago
Amen!!! LOL
jeremiad86 2 years ago