Gazans hold donation campaign for quake-stricken Haiti.wmv

[bixby2000]

I envy you, Nir and rob, in fact all you have to do is say absolute idiocies.

Like bananas and kiwis make good salat.

This sort of stupid words are enough to feel good, I suppose when one simply doesn't care about humanity dying, children coming to the world with serious malformations, health problems. At least, in Haiti, you're dead or alive. Here, people survive since too many years thanks blah blah just meant to cover simple truths.

[Nir31]

what is idiocy? Give me one example that Arabs demonstrate the same anger when it was involving only their own brothers. You really think that Israelis, Western or Asians (none Muslims) will except that their own will be killed "for the cause"? Arabs don't give a fuck about "humanity dying, children coming to the world with serious malformations, health problems" if it doesn't serve "the cause". Don't try to BS me. Sometimes you just play it smarter than you are

[Nir31]

except = accept

[fabrocl]

أن جميع الآلهة والملائكة

يبارك وحماية الأطفال رائعة من غزة

هذا هو مثال الحب

اسرائيل يجب أن نتعلم من هؤلاء الأطفال

واحترام حياتهم.

شكرا جزيلا لك من أعماق القلب

الناس في غزة لمساعدة هايتي

الحب هو أقوى الله

ويسود في أطفال غزة

[ThunderDog97]

I am humbled by the goodness of the Palestinian people.

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[TheEmperfect]

Hopefully Israel will help in sending the aid.

[bixby2000]

Palestinians are survivors of 62 years of never ending nakbas (plural) going on and on, never ending earthquakes, destructions of homes. Generation after generation.

The late catastrophe amounted to a sort of earthquake going on for 23 days and left people still TODAY, deprieved of the proper help and RIGHT to reconstruction and HUMAN rights.

I think they are wonderfull. I admire their will, while deprieved of help, they receive permanent threats of Israel for some new earthquake.

[robsage1]

except for the fact that they brought on the "earthquakes" themselves, but your too blind and biased to realize it arent you?

[bixby2000]

@robsage1 Oh they brought the earthquake on themselves ? Wow. Israel bombed one of the most densely populated area of the world with white phosphorus and other forbidden arms now present in the soil and the placentas of future mothers, and you dare say Palestinians brought this nightmare that began for them 62 years ago on themselves ?? Oh ? And doing what ? Trying to survive under a blokade ? Trying to resist their total annihilation from Sea to Jordan like Likud Charter promise ?

[robsage1]

1. every modern army uses white phosphorous, even the french in afghanistan use it

2. the palestinians launched 3 wars against israel in which their stated goal was to destroy israel and kill the jews

when an arab general was asked what would become of the jews once the arabs had won the war he responded "any survivors will be allowed to live amongst us in peace, however, i doubt there will be any survivors"

why should i feel bad for these people? did u feel bad for the germans after ww2?

[bixby2000]

1. The use of white phosphorus upon people is a crime. It can help your own troups, in lightning an area so you see the enemy or in making fumes so your troup remains under cover. But to use it in a densely populated area is something terrible. The argument -others do it - is absurd. Every policeman may have, once, to use gaz canisters. But to shoot directly these canisters AT people is transforming them in lethal arms, and Israel killed and wounded people like this, too.

[robsage1]

who is to say that israel used it as a weapon ? the palestinians who have been caught lying hundreds of times about israeli atrocities?

[bixby2000]

2. In 1948 Israel attacked. I should say the terrorists of Irgun, Stern, Hagannah forces, as Israel was still at that moment a "plan" schemed in the tortuous minds of UN, happy to divide to reign better. Palestinians were attacked by these forces coming and backed from the outside. Entire villages were razed, and local people slaughtered. "The complete evacuation of the country from its other inhabitants and handing it over to the Jewish people is the answer." (1941)Yosef Weitz from JNF

[robsage1]

hahaa the irgun attacked only after half a dozen arab countries attacked israel, with the stated purpose of wiping out the jewish politician, and you sit here and whine about the irgun, your funny

and the slaughter you are talking about is deir yessin, in which about 100 civilians were murdered, the sad part is that massacres such as that were happening against the jews for years

and 1/100 jew died in that war, nothing compared to the palestinian casualties

[bixby2000]

Look, the situation we have now, is very simple. I read and study history, not to whine, like you say, but to learn. I leave this role to others.

We have now :

Varsaw ghetto + Vietnam sort of burning bombs

The wall and blockade + no JFK or airlift

Apartheid, bantustans + Mengele sort of experiments on humans

Colonisation + no barrak and food at least for slaves

Years of Earthquakes sort of catastrophes + no help

It's not something that HappenED but is happening. Present continuous.

[robsage1]

may i ask, what country are you from?

[bixby2000]

2. Can you please tell me on what occasion Palestinians "launched" any war against Israel ?

3. About your quote, I won't play the game of giving you quotes from Israelis in charge, in a sort of duel. I think there are too many relevant arguments in favor of Palestinians to loose time on this sort of things. I'm just smiling a little bit thinking that, OF course, to pretend one comes in a desert, or peopled with less than animals, uncaring for their kids is the best way to kill them verbaly.

[robsage1]

2. palestinians attacked israel in 48, 67, 73, and in the 2 intifadas, not to mention their leader begged hitler to bring the holocaust to the middle east in the early 1940's.

3. i dont understand your reply to my quote, so i wont even respond

[bixby2000]

2. 1967 Israel decided, in what became, then, its habit, that it can unequivocally state what is or not a "casus belli", to attack. Its arab neighbors had decided to prevent israeli ships to use their own detroit. In 1973, arabs attacked Israel.But, just before, Israel had sort of made a finger up to people asking them kindly, to respect the 1967 UN resolution and retreat to its border. Basically, the problem is always the same : Israel's colonialist ways, and territorial thefts.

[robsage1]

hahahahaha heres a video documentary on the 1967 war which includes the egyptians and israelis who were there.

the egyptians admit they fucked up, the soviets lied to egypt and told them israel was gonna attack them, and as a result they massed their troops on israels borders

watch this video and see how delusional you are

watch?v=zoTtGXkZuhY&feature=re­lated

oh and after this war israel offered egypt gaza back for free, the egyptians refused to take it back

you make zero sense

[bixby2000]

2. About intifadas, so you can imagine getting away with such an absurd way to resume a situation ? So yes, Palestinians, eager to occupy their days, decided, one day, out of the Blue to get, erm, angry, and use stones to mark their point against an army which has the extraordinary luxury not to care for anyone. You see, if 1973 didn't work for arabs, it's because, in the name of the other, they stopped. Israel has not this sort of second thoughts. Kill and slaughter everyone on its road, it can

[robsage1]

kill and slaughter anyne it can???

less than 3000 palestinian civilians killed in war in the last 10 yrs, if what you say is true the number would be far higher, why is your mind warped??

[bixby2000]

An "operation" that can imagine bombing one of the most populated area of the world, with 56% children among this population is simply beneath contempt.

[bixby2000]

3. Of course, you prefer not to understand that as a mother, I think that only a degenerated woman, a fool and a heartless bitch can suppose another mother doesn't care for her children.

I won't dirty my 500 char. talking about such a ... pff

[bixby2000]

About your personal question, frankly, my own grandma was half german, and felt bad all her life... being German. Even if she wasn't living in Germany at that time. She bought a tree with my name in her beloved Israel. Her sister, younger, was killed in allied bombings, but it's not this ghost that haunted her.

I have to say that I can't accept the theory that people didn't know and let this abomination happen. The idea that something can be prevented, but is not this is what haunts people.

[bixby2000]

@robsage1 WHO is attacking Who ?

Who is the Force not of Defense, but Occupation and Colonisation Force. Power to arrest, torture, Blockading Force ? Israel Destruction Force is putting a terrible, monstruous strain on all Palestinians for more than 60 years now !

62 years of Earthquakes, Tsunamis. IF elsewher you're either dead or alive, and if alive, may have hope of a tomorrow, this simple Hope is forbidden for Palestinians. Under tents, in the cold, no electricity, no concrete, nothing !!

[robsage1]

dont be so dramatic, more people died in the drug wars in the mexico america border last yr than palestinians civilians have died in the last TEN years

my real concern is the 500,000 people in darfur murdered by arabs since 2003

[bixby2000]

I am dramatic because well, yes, I can't pretend I don't know what happens in Palestine, to Palestinians. I know that tonight the conditions were very bad, cold, stormy, and that mothers even didn't have some electricity to console a child crying in the night hearing a thunder. It's not about the quantity. To just imagine putting one kid in gaz chamber or under a tent for decades, is absolutely dramatic. It's not about arabs or not. Jews or not. It's about humanity.

[robsage1]

if you cared about humanity you would care about israel, its the only country in the region that has human rights, is a democracy, protects woman, homosexuals and children

israel grants refuge every yr to hundreds of homosexual palestinians that are persecuted in the west bank

and your warped mind thinks that saudi arabia, iran and hamas are heroes, when they kill gays, and have zero human rights

so, let me ask where is your humanity?

[bixby2000]

Do you realize that every article of the Fourth Geneva Conventions is like reading History and Present ?

History, because every article is like a talisman to prevent such horrors to happen again. Present, because every article is simply violated by Israel's policy towards Palestinians.

Even Darfuri could flee

At a moment, people can breathe and think of a future. It's generations of Palestinians, now. It's... dramatic.

PS : if there was no oil under Darfur, situation would be else.

[robsage1]

there is no justification for your selective outrage, arabs massacre over 500,000 innocents in darfur for not being muslim in 6 years, while the world keeps silent

while people like you are defending hamas, a terrorist and antisemitic organization that admits it wants to kill civilians

yes,about 3000 pal civilians have died in the last 10 years but that is a result of the decisions of their leadership

do u blame the allies for the german civilians who died in allied bombings? no blame hitler

[bixby2000]

Don't talk to me about selective outrage. In the 80's, When Sudan had another civil war, 2 millions died,and 4 millions people of the South deplaced, no one talked about this... as the people in the South of Sudan were NOT sitting on oil !

Funny how people love to care about

people wanting to explode a country or change the gvt when there is some oil or other ressources to get paid with...

Palestinians are just people under an iniquitous colonisation that need help and protection.

[bixby2000]

And just one thing more.

The difference between the war against drugs, Sudan or any other problem, in the world and the situation concerning palestinians is that WE have the obligation, legal, to ACT to make the Conventions respected. They're meant to protect people living under the occupation and control of an enemy.

The world is like a shared flat. We all have duties and rights. When one person is constantly trepassing in someone's other room, we must all act, and say : STOP.

[Nir31]

apparently you are not outraged when your own brothers kill "the same blood" Iraqis in 1000s every moths. Are they good price for the "Arab cause"? We never seen any (actually zero) "obligation, legal, to ACT to make the Conventions respected.They're" were not "meant to protect people" that are killed by other Arabs for a juste cause (bashing USA)

"The world is like a shared flat" your agenda is very clear

[bixby2000]

Nir, what makes you think I'm not outraged ? It's so usual of people who lack interesting arguments to "suppose" things about the other.

I'm not talking about India or North Pole, I'm talking about Palestinians.

[Nir31]

you are just hypocrites that play it bluff to get your agenda. But if you believe it works for you then continue

[bixby2000]

They are not hypocrites, but it's a matter of philosophy, of culture to see this. For some people everything revolves around Them, Their situation, Their suffering. They consider Themselves the navel of the world. For others, to take in consideration others, and most important, people you think to be in a more dramatic situation than you is not only a duty, but an evidence in the way of seing the world.

Sorry, I suppose it might be to complicated for you to understand, and for me to explain.

[Nir31]

Blablabla especially that most of the violence in the world what you guys call "resistance" is done by those that "take in consideration others, and most important, people you think to be in a more dramatic situation" for propaganda. In other words Muslims

Nice try

[robsage1]

israel is occupying pal land, but only as a result of the wars launched by arabs, much like the allies occupied germany and japan after ww2, you think the israelis would just allow the arabs to attack them 3 times and not take any spoils of war, iran took massive amounts of iraqi land w oil underneath after the iran iraq war, y dont u fucking whine about that, i dont understand you have no logic

the pals have much more than you claim, show a credible source that proves even one starved to death

[bixby2000]

It's the Occupation of the land, Israel's occupation and colonisation, growing like a BLOB, every week, that makes all the situation terrible and unbearable.

Your argument makes me think of a fool taking a medic for his heartache because he uses to hit it on a wall.

Stop the occupation is an old logo some women, in black, from Israel, painted at the time of the First Intifada. Realising what everybody with some conscience and honesty can know : Occupation is an agression, a pure "casus belli"

[Nir31]

why nobody count the apartments that you build on Jewish owned land that you expelled in 1948? Why nobody call Arabs that live in Jewish owned houses colonists?

We thought that international law and justice is universal and not just made against Israel and the jews

[bixby2000]

Robsage : Go and inform you about Terezin, and what Terezin should have taught all of us. About stupid blindness

A child is like a little tree that needs a good soil, proteins, vitamins to grow up as he's meant to be. Palestinian kids grow up with Phosphorus, DU, malformations, improper water, bad food.

PS :With a bit of flour, sugar, some nuts, and grease you can make the best khadaif of the world. Be the fattest person, even. But try to grow up, keep your hair, teeth, with this ! :(

[bixby2000]

It's so unhuman to say something like that !

And more than "just" Israel, We the f* International Community, we the F***United Nations, brought this on this region !

And while United States, giving Billions to Israel to test arms upon this population made of 56% children plays sugardaddy with his Big Ship of Comfort to Haïti, a simple little boat, Spirit of Humanity trying to bring ... comfort to Gaza, was under the same act of Piracy and Casual state terrorism last summer !

[robsage1]

haha try driving a ship into any country, do it in russia or mexico, youll get shot before you even realize your out of intl waters, i dont get why you expect israel to act any differently?

[bixby2000]

To your haha... Israel is putting its settlements, on purpose, in West Bank according to geopolitical interest : cut Palestinian society, cut normal life, but according to economic strategy too : Upon water ressources. It steals not only this, but palestinian Gaz, in the palestinian sea too. One of the border of Palestine, Gaza, is their sea. Since when is Israel in these waters ? Ups... of course, Israel shoot regulary upon gazan fishermen. I nearly forgot. But it doesn't make piracy legal...

[robsage1]

israel took gaza from egypt, and the west bank from jordan when they launched a war of destruction against israel, you think israel wouldnt take land as a result of war

america took the southwest from mexico through war, france took land from ermany after ww1 and 2, iran took iraqi land in the iran iraq war

why should israel be any different???

and you expect israel not to protect itself, you think they would allow weapons to be smuggled in through the sea?

[bixby2000]

Your point of view is wrong on 2 angles : it's Israel that launched a war of destruction and provoked a second exodus for Palestinians.

In 1967, the UN Resolution (242) which wasn't stopped as nearly each one, by the usual backers of Israel, (US, GB, France, Veto) passed. Of course : It said spoiled brat Israel should be left in peace in its borders... BUT said too : Israel HAS to retreat from territories it thinks it can simply ad to its border. Everybody knows what borders we talk about.

[Nir31]

UN Resolution (242) set up the concept of land for peace. You really think that Israel will give up its assets for words?

By the way in your history studying did you arrive to the Khartoum Resolution? Its the Arab side that decided not to make peace, not to recognize and not to negotiate.

[PastorGeezuss]

Great video, much thanks... 5 stars.

[goxethee]

These people are amazing & put most of the rest of us to shame.

[onlyonedeb2000]

@goxethee Very well said.