Global Warming - People who don't lie

[TruthWithinRange]

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This clip might change your life. It’s simple but the knowledge on it is interesting

What does the uploader think of agenda 21? .

[Kurtlane]

Suzuki I don't trust. He is very very partisan.

But Attenborough - that is serious. He is a remarkable man, and I highly respect him.

[mphello]

Great YouTube channel, Atheist Archives! And thank you for posting that multipart video on Global Dimming. It really scared me, because it suggest that the forces that cause warming must be GREATER than we had previously thought in order to counterbalance the forces that cause cooling, which also must have been greater than previously thought, in order for the NET effect to be where we are today. i.e. if X, Y are positive variables, and N = X-Y, is what we thought, but now realize N = X'-Y'..

[mphello]

@mphello .. where Y'>X, then it follows that X'>X. Hence, if we now amplify X by a factor, A>1, leaving Y' unchanged, then N" = A*X' - Y' will be much bigger than N'=A*X - Y'.

[Tiberiusduck]

Global Warming equals Global Fraud equals Global Government.

[16thecrow]

lies lies lies everywhere

[salsalover69laters]

People...don't listen to the 'skeptics' on this issue...they are simply oil company representatives planting this bullshit. Why would anyone purposely argue that we should use more energy rather than less...how can using less fossil fuels and more renewable energy be bad? Why would these people troll You Tube to write this bullshit all over the place? These 'made up' people posting on here just try to discredit the 'science' referring to oil company set-up critic websites.

[andyz0007]

The climate change movement is now dead. The idea that the is anything unusual about this period of time is over. Cap and Trade is dead. Western Scientists are jumping ship (though many are trapped in the institutions). Scientists outside of the western institutions never bought the line. The most hilarious part is the utilization of climate models as a basis for public policy....bizarre. I guess with mainstream media platforms on board you can push bullshit up hill a little longer.

[STEVEDIGIBOYtv]

Dude Suzuki is a corporate welfare eco-pimp, he should address geoengineering chemtrails and green house gas forcicing by jet traffic. I guess free Air Canada flights or something are too tempting to risk offending the air traffic industry. Making money/a lifestyle off people's good intentions,

[whackitov]

sir david attenborough has nothing to gain, i dont quite believe it.

he is also involved with a website called popoffsets

popoffsets is a site in relation to taxing people who have more children than outside sources decide is allowed.

a tax on children, based on the global warming hoax.

data collected in recent years has ignored data from mountain tops and the russian steppes (they are too cold) and has eliminated data from 4500 weather stations in favour of 1500 located in cities

[MilitantPeaceist]

@whackitov

Cognitive dissonance - on the one hand you say carbon tax will cause extreem povety but have a go at Sir David for supporting a planned family arrangenment as they do in China which works perfectly to reduce poverty.

Basically you cannot pull apart a theory this way - learn what and how peer review works, it doesn't work by being hypocritical and picking on arbitrary factors!

Carbon tax and climate change are 2 different things!

[whackitov]

@MilitantPeaceist carbon tax and climate change are hand in hand, carbon tax is being pushed on the basis of climate change....how can you not know that?

and im not being hypocritical, im simply expressing my own point of view.

my point about mr attenborough is that he has lived his life, made his choices about how many children he wants and now as a result of climate change propaganda is working towards removing that choice for others yet to live their's

[harbar3000]

Beware people. An Inconvenient Truth is the leading propaganda film for the socialist wealth distribution scheme that is coming to all countries if Al Gore and David Suzuki, the two high priests of this global warming/climate change religion, get their wishes. You must resist. Thank God for the CRU email hack. Don't let your politicians sign any treaties. Resist the global warming SCAM!!!

[pharoe316]

MillitantPeaceist: Quit blaming others for your inability to find work. We all have to start somewhere and work our way towards the job we actually want. That's the problem with you kids these days, you think everything should be given to you if it doesn't fall into your lap. As for climate change, evidence that this is nothing more than a cyclical event is more compelling than if it was man-made, based on the lies perpetrated by the hockey stick graph supporters from the CRU.

[MilitantPeaceist]

@pharoe316

Excuse me - I am not blaming anything. I am on a dsability pension. OI am disabled. How inhumane can you people be?

[mphello]

@pharoe316 Good. Then I'll gladly work in politics to fight climate change and to put excess polluters into prison for life if they refuse to pay for the damage they do to the world economy and our survival. And, therefore, you extreme anti-socialist libertarian conservatives have absolutely nothing to complain about me getting paid a lot of money. You hypocrites cannot condemn a climate scientist or Attenborough for making money, and then say oil and coal executives don't owe anyone...

[harbar3000]

This set of graphs in the first section of the video is based on faulty CRU data. Global warming/Climate change is a new religion with Al Gore and David Suzuki as the high priests. Socialized wealth redistribution is part of their goal. You must resist.

[MilitantPeaceist]

@harbar3000

So must you! You just sprayed crap everywhere. This is a 2 part problem.

1 - Climate change is real

2 - Corps are using this as a platform for global economic uniformity and trade. The problem is the corps. The problem is their wealth. The problem is their existance. The exact fundamental approach to capitalism leads to this corp heaven. This happened with smoiking, CFC's ect - and you are just an idiot!

[harbar3000]

@MilitantPeaceist You lose credibility by calling anybody an idiot. Obviously I don't know you but I can't help but wonder if you fit the following: Many people who decry the wealth of coporations exist on the fringes of the economy and are therefore supported by the taxes on those who work, and taxes on those very same corporations and their wealth. Quit biting the hand from which you eat.

[MilitantPeaceist]

@harbar3000

I am in a situation that prevents me from working. I am able bodied but prejudice stops me. I am legally allowed to be discriminated against and I am forced onto the pension. So you can now put your foot back in! Yes corps are a detriment. They are the fundamental version of capitalism, what did you think they were? Global angels?

[harbar3000]

@MilitantPeaceist In other words, you DON'T WANT TO WORK. Thanks for confirming my suspicions. You live off of a hand-out of some type that is given to you through the taxes paid by the corporations and their employees against whom you protest. Do something other than protest. Get a job. WORK for a living.

[MilitantPeaceist]

@harbar3000

Excuse me? I just told you I am turned away from jobs for no reason except prejudice. How is not wanting to work? How is being able bodied and being forced on the pension - 'not wanting to work"? Are you brain deficient? Corp's do not pay taxes, that is the problem....

[harbar3000]

@MilitantPeaceist Corporations do pay taxes. Corporations would employ you if you got off your keister, educated yourself, and qualified for a job. If you are from an English speaking country, you are using prejudice as an excuse and a crutch. Prejudice exists out there but attitudes and laws have changed a lot to mitigate the prejudice. No excuses. GET OFF YOUR BUTT AND WORK.

[MilitantPeaceist]

@harbar3000

Bullshit, I have already tried - I love it when people are so far off track they make them selves look silly as they slowly recoil - lolololol. If employers keep firing me, I fail to see how that could be construed as my prejudice. You really are a fucktard arn't you? You have all the answers and everyone else knows less and has never tried - you are a fucking looser pal!

[harbar3000]

@MilitantPeaceist You are right. I am a fucktard and a fucking loser. I must be. I am going to work tommorow to make money. Half of that money will go to the government in taxes. Some of the taxes will go to feed your mouth; the very mouth that bites the hand from which it obtains food. All because you will not WORK. Quit being lazy. Be dependable. Get a JOB. WORK.

[MilitantPeaceist]

@harbar3000

No you are a fucktard and a loser for saying to someone who is wiling to work and legally discriminated against that they are a loser for not being able to work. Would you tell an amputee they are lazy for not walking you cunt?

Fuck off idiot!

[harbar3000]

@MilitantPeaceist This should be my last reply to you. You have displayed your full range of intelligence by resorting to name calling using swear words in a futile attempt to make a point. Please enjoy this article about a few corporations and what they pay in taxes: O.K., well one more reply then

[MilitantPeaceist]

@harbar3000

Darling. my intelligence is really not for you to judge especially after not being able to understand what a disability is and due to my disability I have spent many years at university increasing my qualifications to get a pay packet that will make you weep. Not only that, your treatment of a person on a disability pension, as stated before, just highlights your character!!

[harbar3000]

@MilitantPeaceist Go to the business section of the cnn web site. They have an article called "Tax bills for 5 corporate giants" that you might find to be enlightening. Enjoy.

[MilitantPeaceist]

@harbar3000

stfu and get to work and pay for my pension - how does it feel that you are working for me?

[MilitantPeaceist]

... Most corps are structured in such away that the funds are held in discretionary trusts and are untaxable. It is the reason why people like Murdoch and Packer are hated in this country! So you wrong on many accounts. In fact it just adds evidence to the fact you have not a clue about what really goes on at all!

[bbossin]

Scientists never hold onto false ideas. Or lie.

( excuse me while I giggle to myself).

[bbossin]

I'm old enough to rembember the dire warnings of the new ice age.

And the shift to global warming.

Now it is climate change.

Very convienent. Just change the definition every 20 years and line up at the grant money troff and hoe down. Declare your hypothoseis to be orthodoxy and voilà: another sacred cow has been spared.

Anthropomorphic global warming... Which is now called climate change due to lack of warming... Is a farce.

[MilitantPeaceist]

@bbossin

At no point did the video ever suggest that scientists never hold onto false ideas, you read that into the video, interseting.

As far as anthropomorhic global warming, you would have to be rather nieve to think that the polution we are creating is not making a difference. So anything to lower our emissions is a good thing yet you seem to think that our golbe can handle anything as if a god has control of it or something...

[MilitantPeaceist]

You wouldn't happen to be religious by any chance? You wouldn't by any chance be so in love with your lifestyle that the actual reason why you fight this is due to fear of change? I also remember all the theories, I also remember how our research is getting better with time that allows for more accurate readings and predictions. I also remember the people that back the climategate fiasco and how they distort all other events and information too.

[harbar3000]

@bbossiYou are in part referring to a report that was submitted to President Carter detailing how the world is headed for another ice age. Global warming is a farce. Global warming/climate change/insert whatever term suits them this week is a socialist wealth redistribution scheme that must be stopped.

[SSICTR]

How sad that the two Davids have squandered their lives aqcuiring degrees, honors and awards over the past 50-ish years when their time would have been better spent watching the Global Warming Swindle and Alex Jones videos instead.

Same goes for the rest of the scientific community - Don't they know this is all just so Al Gore can sell books to finance the Illuminati's ascent to global domination?

The sheeple are in for a shock when Ken Ham opens his new Climate Change Museum. ;-)

[tuttt99]

This is bogus.

If you cherry pick the right portion of the graph you can depict any trend you wish.

[saxmanchiro]

So many parallels with Ozone depletion from CFCs. The consensus was O3 was being damaged by CFCs. The deniers came out in droves but thanks to science and it's unbiased and opinion smashing methods, made global governments finally act. AGW is much more difficult to tackle since we have so many fossil fuels being burned by so many and deforestation, methane seeps, tundra melting and other positive feedback loops. Not too hopeful for fast enough action from the masses, even if we all agreed.

[saxmanchiro]

Editorial from today's local paper, a paper that likes to deny reality;

"Copenhagen Summit Flops, Thank Goodness."

Other headlines today;

"Many Mine Bible For Money Wisdom During Downturn"- Jay Lindsay(AP Writer)

"Build-A-Bear's Web Videos on Global Warming Raise Conservative Ire." -Doug Moore( St. Louis Post-Dispatch)

Seems that many deniers of AGW are also God botherers. Wonder what that's all about.

[MilitantPeaceist]

one lot wants to goto Allah, and the other to rapture, and they cant get there fast enough.

Really, it is coz, that's who owns the corps that make the most money, natural resources that are reliant on petroleum companies that are reliant on people using specific cars.

In the 70-80's, there was a huge buying of patents, by petroleum companies, of most alternative motors and fuels.

We have had hybrid technology since Telsa, turn of the 20th century.

[Reecekennedy1995]

Global Warming faker than plastic tits

[saxmanchiro]

I wish you were right. Unfortunately, I'm able to screen the bullshit from the denier camp.

[AtheistArchives]

EU pledges billions in climate aid

Posted 2 hours 59 minutes ago

Updated 2 hours 24 minutes ago

European leaders have pledged to provide more than $10 billion over the next three years to help developing nations adapt to climate change.

The money will go towards what is being called a 'fast start' fund, to help poor nations combat rising sea levels, deforestation, water shortages and their own carbon output.

[AtheistArchives]

The British Prime Minister Gordon Brown held a joint press conference with the French President Nicolas Sarkozy to announce what their two countries would be contributing.

"Today I can announce, and President Sarkozy is announcing, our contributions as Britain and France to this fund," he said.

"Our contribution will be at least 1.5 billion pounds over the three years and we also believe that Europe will be able to show today it will pay its share of the $10 billion fund."

[AtheistArchives]

50pc cut recommended

Meanwhile, a first draft text seeking to break deadlock on a new climate pact at UN talks has recommended the world should at least halve world greenhouse gas emissions by 2050 with rich nations taking the lead .

According to the text, proposed by Michael Zammit Cutajar of Malta who chairs talks on long-term action by all nations at the December 7-18 meeting on a new climate pact in Copenhagen, Parties shall cooperate to avoid dangerous climate change.

[AtheistArchives]

The text offered a range for global cuts in greenhouse gas emissions, mainly from burning fossil fuels, of either at least 50, 85 or 95 per cent by 2050.

More than 110 world leaders will attend a closing summit on December 18.

The numbers were bracketed, showing there is no agreement.

"Parties should collectively reduce global emissions by at least [50, 85, 95] per cent from 1990 levels by 2050 and should ensure that global emissions continue to decline thereafter," according to the text.

[AtheistArchives]

It also offered options for rich nations' cuts in emissions starting at 75 per cent and ranging up to more than 95 per cent below 1990 levels by 2050.

It said developed nations should cut their emissions on average by at least 25-40 per cent, ranging up to about 45 per cent by 2020, also from 1990 levels.

Developing nations led by China and India have in the past rejected accepting a halving of world emissions by 2050 unless the rich take far tougher action to cut their emissions.

[AtheistArchives]

The text said developing nations should make a "substantial deviation" to slow the growth of their emissions by 2020, or slow the growth by 15-30 per cent below projected levels by 2020.

[AtheistArchives]

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[AtheistArchives]

Posted 3 hours 47 minutes ago

Updated 1 hour 0 minutes ago

The Federal Climate Change Minister Penny Wong has played down tensions at the United Nations climate conference in Copenhagen.

A major split has emerged between developing nations over the best way to help the most vulnerable countries.

China wants industrialised nations to make bigger cuts in emissions than developing countries.

Senator Wong has told ABC1's The 7.30 Report it is how negotiations happen.

[AtheistArchives]

"Early manoeuvrings, that's what we're seeing - It has been a difficult start but that's to be expected," she said.

"What we're trying to do the world has never done before.

"We've never brought rich and poor nations together in the way that we're trying to do, and in the way we have to do if we are going to get the agreement that we need."

Ms Wong says Australia's position on emissions cuts by 2020 depends on what the conference concludes.

[AtheistArchives]

"We will do as much as the world is doing. We'll do what is comparable to the rest of the world, and we will not do more, but we certainly won't do less," she said.

"We've got our range of five to 15, or in the event of an ambitious agreement, up to 25 per cent reduction in our emissions by 2020."

She says nothing the Opposition leader, Tony Abbott, has put forward will deliver the targets he says he has signed up to.

[AtheistArchives]

"I don't think it strengthens our nation's position to have an Opposition leader who is suggesting the world is cooling," she said.

"Nothing that the Opposition has said indicates that they have any plan whatsoever that is capable of meeting the sorts of reductions we need to make, if we want to be part of an agreement that responds to this great national and international challenge."

She says Mr Abbott has walked away from saying Australia should pay from pollution.

[AtheistArchives]

"You need to look no further than Mr Turnbull. He made the very important point: unless you put a price on pollution, then you're not actually doing enough to get the reductions you need," she said.

[AtheistArchives]

By North America correspondent Lisa Millar

Posted Wed Dec 9, 2009 10:49pm AEDT

Updated Thu Dec 10, 2009 7:18am AEDT

The polls show Americans are less inclined to believe there is a climate change problem. It is one of the biggest polluters, but the United States is being accused of being behind the curve when it comes to climate change.

[AtheistArchives]

US President Barack Obama is promising to show leadership but at the same time Americans, according to the opinion polls, are less inclined to believe there is a problem.

Of the Americans surveyed by the Pew Research Centre, 57 per cent thought there was solid evidence of global warming.

What shocked the researchers, like Carroll Doherty, was how far and quickly it had fallen.

"That's down from 71 per cent last year - a significant drop in a very short period of time," he said.

[AtheistArchives]

"What's most surprising is there's a strong element of politics in all of this - now just 35 per cent of Republicans [are] saying there is solid evidence of global warming."

But he says the economy is probably having more of an impact than politics.

Unemployment is sitting at 10 per cent and there is no sign of any healthy recovery just yet.

"More broadly we see also a fall-off in the number of independents saying there's evidence of global warming," Mr Doherty said.

[AtheistArchives]

"I think some of this [is] a reflection of the bad economic times, people projecting a little bit but saying 'if we can't afford to take on the solutions' then maybe they're becoming a little more sceptical about whether the problem really exists."

[AtheistArchives]

Tough sell

Mr Doherty says that will make things more difficult for Mr Obama in Copenhagen.

"I think perhaps its one factor why the President, the so-called carbon trade bill he's stressing the economic advantages of it," he said.

"I think he's seeing this as he wants to assuage Americans who don't want to elevate global warming over economic growth at this point.

[AtheistArchives]

"He wants to say that both of those can be achieved and so I think you see some of the political effects of this."

When the Americans surveyed listed their top 20 concerns, global warming came last.

Mr Doherty says there are marked differences between the attitudes in the US and elsewhere.

"The United State, as you might expect, is lower in the percentage, saying it's a very serious problem," he said.

[AtheistArchives]

"The ironic thing is China is even lower than the United States in regarding it as a very serious problem.

"I looked up the data for Australia. We didn't ask that in 2009 but we did ask it in 2008 [and] 62 per cent regard it as a very serious problem versus just 44 per cent in the United States and 30 per cent in China."

[AtheistArchives]

Obama's presence vital

Professor David Freestone is a specialist in environmental law at George Washington University.

He says the president's decision to attend the final days of Copenhagen has changed everything.

"His presence at the end of the meeting is going to be very important. These deals come together right at the end," he said.

"Negotiators can do as much as they can and then someone has to just kick them and say 'we do it'."

[AtheistArchives]

Professor Freestone notes the irony of the US government trying to catch up with the rest of the world just as its citizens seem to be less convinced that there is a problem.

"I was actually in Australia this summer, your winter, and I was very impressed how aware Australians are of the issues of climate change," he said.

"They're perhaps more at the firing line of it than the majority of United States - 55 per cent of Americans don't think it's a major issue.

[AtheistArchives]

"The figures aren't that unlike the figures in Europe, in the UK, that are similar sort of figures. It's a major issue. The actual science of it is very complex.

"There's been some controversy about the periphery of some of these issues, so one can understand that there are a lot, at a sort of general level that you know, you get lots of mixed messages."

In the US Congress the House has passed a climate bill. The senate may not do the same until late next year.

[AtheistArchives]

It has been pushed back by the focus on healthcare reform and the economy, and these opinion polls will only add weight to the perception the American public will need some convincing if Mr Obama comes back from Copenhagen armed with a deal.

[AtheistArchives]

By Europe correspondent Emma Alberici

Posted Thu Dec 10, 2009 7:36am AEDT

Updated Thu Dec 10, 2009 10:08am AEDT

A major split has emerged between developing countries at the United Nations climate conference in Copenhagen over the best way to help the most vulnerable countries.

[AtheistArchives]

The small island states and poor African nations - the world's most vulnerable to the worst effects of climate change - want any deal to contain stricter conditions than those agreed on in Kyoto in 1997.

The group includes the Cook Islands, Barbados and Fiji as well as the poor African nations of Sierra Leone and Senegal.

But their proposal for a tough new treaty is being resisted by China and India, whose leaders fear aggressive action could jeopardise economic growth.

[AtheistArchives]

China also used the session at Copenhagen to call for industrialised nations to make bigger cuts in emissions than their developing country counterparts.

Climate Change Minister Penny Wong, who is attending the conference, admits the talks are off to a "difficult start".

"In many ways that's unsurprising because it's a difficult negotiation," she said.

[AtheistArchives]

"I do have to say that some of the language that has been reported has been disappointing. Some of it has been unhelpful.

"If we're going to make this work we have to move away from blame shifting and finger pointing."

[AtheistArchives]

I apologise for getting Sir David Attenborough's name mixed up with his brother Lord Richard Attenborough.

Sir David Frederick Attenborough (pronounced /ˈætənb(ə)rə/) OM, CH, CVO, CBE, FRS, FZS, FSA (born 8 May 1926 in London, England) is a broadcaster and naturalist. His career as the respected face and voice of natural history programmes has endured for more than 50 years - wiki

[73elephants]

He has no background in climatology. Nor is he an insider at CRU or GISS. He's saying "these scientist showed me these graphs, based on their models. The graphs show that AGW is a threat, and they look convincing to me." He has not drawn the graphs himself from raw data. Instead, he is trusting the scientists and assuming that the graphs he has been shown are honest. He does not know about the fakery and skullduggery that lies behind those graphs.

[MilitantPeaceist]

73

Do you support Geert Wilders?

[73elephants]

What? What's that got to do with the price of fish? This thread is abot AGW alarmism, the scientific basis (if any) that it has, and the rationality of the proposed solutions to AGW, supposing AGW might be real. Please try to stick to the subject.

[73elephants]

PS, have you watched the Philip Stott, Nigel Lawson and Bjorn Lomborg videos I pointed you to, yet?

[MilitantPeaceist]

73

yes - I reaseached the whole topic, from both sides, very comprehensively, prior.

Ty 8)

[73elephants]

I'm surprised you produce such pathetic arguments, then. You show no sign of any awareness of the real arguments, but instead produce obvious fallacies such as argumentum ad verecundiam, straw man, argumentum ad hominem, argumentum ad populum, false dichotomy, and non sequitur. How about you producing a real argument for a change? How about addressing the arguments of Stott, Lomborg or Lawson? Let's see you try.

[MilitantPeaceist]

73, this section of your comment, or reply, is suggesting that the idea that CO2 is absolutely good for the earth, on a global scale (directing to the conclusions of these 3 sources).

This is only part of our current situation, and has been addressed many times in many documentaries and individuals video's. They all sight the balance and all point to the added, human produced, CO2 that is being added through the industrial age, on top of natural causes.

Thus reducing the 800 yr lag.

[73elephants]

While you're at it, please address my own arguments, also. For instance, why does this video seek to use David Attenborough, the world's best-loved TV naturalist, as an "authority" on this subject, when he's nothing of the sort, but merely an intelligent outsider like ourselves? Is this not a blatant attempt at manipulation? Why does the video not address the *real* issues, such as that the models are hacks that have no predictive power, and the temperature data appear to have been massaged?

[MilitantPeaceist]

73

I would say he is aware of the right people to talk to, as he does, to obtain the correct data before making an assertion, as thats what he does, and I trust his judgement implicitly.

The real issue of the emails have been covered in many video's and also a recent BBC show aired last night (in my playlist, which is separate to AtheistArchives).

What appears to you, and what 3 independant sources have concluded to, obviously are 2 separate directions.

[MilitantPeaceist]

73

Back to your issues with Sir David Attenborough and David Suzuki. They have a higher reputation than you and that of the wider scientific community.

They have a lifetime of work at stake.

What do you have?

[73elephants]

They have nothing at stake. They are TV personalities who have had long and successful careers simply being lovable personalities. They have no serious scientific reputations to put in jeopardy, and even if they turned out to be wrong in their statements, it would not be they, but the climatologists whom they have trusted, who would (rightly) carry the can. The video is nothing better than a manipulative appeal to authority with a friendly face.

[MilitantPeaceist]

73

They are not TV personalities - They are naturalist's and activist's, the latter being only your intent.

Sir David only has 50 years of evolutionary documentaries at stake and David Suzuki you can google yourself.

But you, on the other hand, only have an ego you defend with a sword 8( dittums!

[MilitantPeaceist]

73

I invite you to take a look at what you wrote and apply that to psychological projection as all you have is a pretty smiley face in which you use demagoguey to win support!

[MilitantPeaceist]

73

The more you post - the higher it goes in the Australian list and more idiots you attract 8) and support I acheive 8))))

[MilitantPeaceist]

/watch?v=5AyjLTaP0i0

are you sure you are not a creationist fundie and have a jilted affection for thunderfoot?

[73elephants]

As usual, you argue with fallacious irrelevancies. The above combines ad hominem, argument from motives, and puerile attempts at insult. All to distract attention from the fact that you have no real points. It's ironic that you try to insinuate that I'm a religious fundamentalist, because your own style of argument is the typical style of argument employed by unedcuated religious fundamentalists.

[MilitantPeaceist]

73

you dont get it

I am having fun with you 8D

[73elephants]

Sure you are. You implicitly trust a retired zoologist on matters of economic policy, even when he's talking patent nonsense, because he's a friendly face on TV. Hence your wonderful idea of fun.

[MilitantPeaceist]

73 and you know are all know all there is to know - huh. You have in your little head all the answers.

we call them "Know All's" here in Australia and we laugh AT you not with you as you have no way to laugh at your self.

That is fundamentally what it is to be a fundamentalist.

I fundamentally Making Fun o'da mentalists like you 8)

[MilitantPeaceist]

The more we converse - the more this vid sidesteps youtubes view cap and hits higher via the discussed list.

I thank you so very much 8D

[MilitantPeaceist]

73

So as you most kindly pointed out some video's to watch, for me, i will offer the same.

/watch?v=x1Qlc3s8XL4 (Full explaination)

/watch?v=P70SlEqX7oY (Email manifulation)

/watch?v=59P0AIcUoh8 (BBC News Night)

/watch?v=52KLGqDSAjo (series of how the climate modeling works)

In the 1st video, this person goes into great length in many of his video's.

A Documentary, that is funded by employees, rather than corporations (which have no vested interests)

/watch?v=jqxENMKaeCU

enjoy

[73elephants]

Seen these b4. Video 1 is simplistic, and highlights one of the key errors of AGW alarmism: it shows that high CO2 and a warm planet have been good for life, throughout the history of life, but it assumes that *today's* warming is a disaster. Video 2 is peurile and consists entirely of straw men. Video 3 shows how nervous CRU are. Misses the bad code. Video 4 is the best, but it talks of warming repeatedly as a "vicious circle", whereas it is in fact a *virtuous* circle, a great boon to life.

[MilitantPeaceist]

73

If you want answers;

1 go talk to a scientist or

2 go and talk to God

Coz I cant be fucked with you, you are a twat!

[73elephants]

1) To call someone a "twat" who has done nothing but address your arguments with plain, honest logic betrays irrational anger, dogmatism and stupidity. 2) There is no God. 3) you have still addressed NONE of my arguments, and you CAN'T, due to ignorance, stupidity, and poor grasp of logic. You can only produce simplistic and fallacious arguments against straw men. The REAL anti-alarmist arguments, you studiously ignore. 4) Video 5, the lavish PPR movie, is all style and no substance.

[73elephants]

PS, if you think that the PPR movie is anything but corporate PR for a luxury consumer goods company, you're a super-gullible dupe.

[MilitantPeaceist]

73

Yeah that's right - they have everything to loose and nothing to gain, Like Sir David Attenborough and David Suzuki.

unlike you with your huge rep!

[zpra024]

73elephants: you're reasoning here is entirely sound, and i think i can say i agree with your views on climate change alarmism. what i would tell you, though, is to not to bother with debating with militantpeaceist. whatever name he goes by (he has at least one other alias - i don't know why) he doesn't have very good arguments, he pretends that he's 'just having fun with you' when he can't deliver a sequitorial response, and he always resorts to puerile name-calling. i think... he's an idiot.

[zpra024]

your, not you're...

[MilitantPeaceist]

ahh g'day zpra we meet again

Thank you for calling a transsexual a he - very un-bigoted of you.

I am not argueing as I don't need to. I hold my view via the playlist I have - if there is anything that is in the playlist (Global Warming & Climate Change) you dissagree on, you are more than welcome to take it up with it's authors.

I can only offer limited information and I do not bother arguing with fundamentalist's that do not listen to balanced debate.

zpra, but of course you know better

[73elephants]

You are quite right. I shall pay him less attention in future.

[MilitantPeaceist]

1. yes you're a twat and you are annoying

but I wont block you for the comedial value 8D

2. YAY we agree on something

3. I don't need to, you seem to have your mind well and truly made up, like a religious person

4. and your's arnt?

[yakyakyak69]

Socialist Globalists (Regressives) had to create this FALSE emergency before the people would accept Social-Fascist Corportist SLAVERY & the redistribution of money & power FROM the people TO Global Bankers, the Corporations they own & the corrupt politicians & Special Interest Groups they control through contributions.

$Trillions will be redistributed for "Green" technologies and CO2 trading schemes PLUS all the political power to be concentrated in Global Govt & New Global Financial Order.

[MilitantPeaceist]

LOL

[73elephants]

Close enmeshment of government and big business = corporatism. Cap-and-trade = corporatism. In 2007, cap and trade was worth $126bn, acc. to World Bank, & rising to $2 trillion+ by 2020. It is also hugely corrupt and hard to police. Look on the web for news reports about massive corruption in carbon trading in Germany, Denmark and other EU countries. UN & EU bureaucrats always seek to increase their (undemocratic) influence (good or ill), and they're using CO2 cuts for this.

[MilitantPeaceist]

yakyakyak

apropriate name.

But could you please repeat that in a way we can understand?

[yakyakyak69]

Sure: Man Made Global Warming is a SCAM and Regressives are being played for the SUCKERS they are!

When you tax production, success and prosperity, you get LESS until ALL are poor & starving and manking is stagnate.

This is NOT progressive for mankind, it is REGRESSIVE!

Good stewards of our planet? HELL YES!

Use TRUTH and SCIENCE instead of LIES and Religion.

[MilitantPeaceist]

yak

I, personally, do not think about religion except to try and help the deluded find a way out fropm their darkness, I am not religious.

The science is sound, as I said.

[yakyakyak69]

As far as the science - it is NOT sound. The data was manipulated by those being funded by Gov't grants and the source data was destroyed so no 3rd party verification could take place.

Al Gore LOST was sued in the UK and LOST. 8 disclamers had to be added to An Inconvient Truth (lie) before it could be showed to school children.

31,000 REAL scientists who dont receive gov't grants disagree with man made global warming.

IT IS A SCAM!

[MilitantPeaceist]

yak

can you prove this?

Because if you can - you will win a Nobel prize.

Here are our options.

We do nothing and it is false - 8D

We do something and it is false 8(

We do something and it is true 8( > 8D we live

We do nothing and it is true = fuck me dead we loose eveything!

So again - what is your proof?

[73elephants]

You're obsessed with this Pascal's wager argument. It doesn't work for religion, and it doesn't work for AGW alarmism, either. In fact, if you dig into the economics, it turns out that even if the alarmist scenarios are completely true, it still doesn't make sense to try to solve it by forcing heavy CO2 cuts. Nigel Lawson and Bjorn Lomborg both explain this very well.

The Gore court case thing is true, but it was 9 points not 8, and many other points were not raised due to lack of court time.

[73elephants]

Nobel prize in what? Stating the obvious? All these things are known: previous interglacial periods were warmer than the present. The MWP was probably warmer than the present. The Roman Warm Period was probably warmer than the present. The world has been warming fairly steadily since the Little Ice Age. Low solar activity could trigger another Little Ice Age any time. Wind power can never be reliable or cheap. Fusion power could solve all our energy problems (w/o CO2!), but gets less funding.

[MilitantPeaceist]

yaky - what are you suggesting we do about Global Warming/Dimming?

In this video, I cant see any agenda, just information about Global Warming/Dimming.

As far as what David Suzuki says, I think it is a travesty that the Copenhagen treaty serves to just pass the costs onto the public.

I believe Governments need to flat out subsidise green power and supply incentives for hybrid cars, solar panels and geothermal power stations.

As far as the science - it is sound.

[MilitantPeaceist]

Yak

May I direct you to a video that explains the scientific jargin of;

Tricks

&

Smoothing

/watch?v=7nnVQ2fROOg

[yakyakyak69]

Good, then let the data be peer reviewed for the whole world to see.

What about the 31 THOUSAND scientists who disagree? THEY should be allowed to see and review the SOURCE data, not the ADJUSTED data.

[MilitantPeaceist]

Yak

when you're done with this video

/watch?v=7nnVQ2fROOg

This video ends this debate NOW!

/watch?v=mF_anaVcCXg

If you still think that inaction is the way to go - hehehehe - you are well on your own!

As I said - this debate ends HERE!

[Beelze]

Great vid.

[zxEightyJon]

Q: What caused the warming? A:The Sun. Q:What caused the warming during the Roman period? A: Chariots

[MilitantPeaceist]

lolzie