@Meskiagkasher Your written English contains a few non-natural phrases, but that is not the point. The point is that I would prefer to learn from a native speaker, no matter what language I am learning. I would not want to learn from a non-native speaker.
Beginning January 2011, California has passed a bill that will allow Native American languages to be taught.
Who would you want to learn from?
Before Turtle Island was invaded by the Europeans, there were existing tribes of Indigenous people that were forced to learn a language that was not their own.
Herr Kaufmann, I think that you're right when you say that people have the right to determine whether they want their region to be bilingual or not; however, I come from American, and I assure you that there are so many narrow-minded and racist people here that it is unbelievable. The bigots and racists are not limited to the lower class. Many so-called educated people here are narrow minded bigots.
Warum sollte ich nicht Niederländisch unterrichten? Ich mache oft Korrekturen der niederländischen Sprache hier im Internet, könnte englische Texte ins Niederändische übersetzen, kenne das Land und dessen Mentalität und Kultur in jeder Hinsicht. und die Niederländer selbst wissen oft gar nicht, dass ich Deutsche bin. Nur weil meine Eltern keine Niederländer sind? Fasulye
I knew you were a racist, one more of your “qualities”…I knew it. You do not own the English language, you moron, the English language belongs to the world….asshole…..
Why not use this strategy in a real Cracker state like Alabama where a Californian like me can't understand a fucking thing that comes out of the White folks mouths. (I'm White btw.) Those are the English teachers that need to be fired--the one's with deep Southern (White that is, not Black) accents. They talk ignorant and have no business teaching American children of any race/ethnicity until they correct their Cracker dialect. How is that different than discriminating against non-natives?
As somebody who supports the Arizona Immigration law, I am forced to say this... I am disappointed in Arizona for doing this. I fail to see how Forbidding accented teachers from teaching English is going to help the illegal immigration issue.
I live in Arizona and my English teacher is from Mexico and he is a non-native speaker. The law is mainly directed towards primary education. Like younger children that may not be speaking English at home that are learning in school.
This video could have been delivered in less than a minute: Is it your goal or your goal for your kids to achieve native fluency or at least get as close to it as possible (post puberty native like fluency becomes increasingly difficult to achieve )? Then you want exposure to a native speaking teacher. GIGA - garbage in garbage out. It ain't rocket science folks - you can only reproduce what you hear.
There may be a few Mexican Americans right on the border or in secluded regions who still speak Spanish but I have yet to meet an hispanic who speaks spanish that far down the line. Infact I have never met a third generation hispanic who still speaks the language with any degree of fluency. Also Arizona is not a police state, they are taking extreme measures for an extreme problem, even though I don't agree with their tactics.
Sometimes non-native speakers know how to explain better than a native speaker and they can be motivating. Once I taught English in Japan and I didn't know how to answer their questions because I never think about why we say what we do. I was not good at it but saw fluent Engish speaking Japanese better at teaching English than me. I think it depends on the goal of the student and the teaching power of the teacher - can't blanket on size fits all.
Of course. In some cases, a woman can bench press more weight than a man. There are always exceptions. A well trained non-native will outperform a poorly-trained native as a teacher. However, like a woman being stronger than a man, it occurs in a minority of examples.
Although I believe independent learning is the best for languages (depending on the person), I do think that in some cases non-native teachers can even be better than native teachers. Whereas the native teachers were born with the knowledge only to later learn the ins and outs, and a non-native teacher had to learn it from the ground up, and in many cases, knows better how to describe these words to the students learning that language than someone with an inherent knowledge.
I've been on language couses in University of Essen (Germany). In West Germany they have so many foreingers that ALL language teachers there were non-Germans. But I were there at expense of DAAD, I even received some pocket money, so I didn't have a right to complain.
My very first English teacher was a non-native English speaker of Brazilian nationality and I must say she was the best teacher I have ever had in my life so far. She inspired me to be a better person and I'm thankful for that.
I think is just a matter of the will of the teacher rather than the accent of the teacher, but that's only my opinion from my own experience... I guess is different for everyone.
both native and non-native teachers good be either very nice or total rubbish depends on the person.
well, 25% non-native teachers would make sense for instance if they catered to students from specific countries and spoke their language - that'd make the total newbies to the language much more comfortable
In terms of motivation and inspiration a non native speaker who has achieved fluency and perfectly mastered the language AND HAS NO ACCENT may be even more motivational to foreign language learners.
I assume that some of the 25% of the non native English teachers immigrated to the US in their early teens so they might be at least as good as native speakers in terms of proficiency.
Does it apply to someone who is not a native speaker of the language per se but spend 20+ years in the country where the language is spoken? I think this might be even better than having an actual native speaker teaching you.
The news article relates to students still learning English.
I think it's reasonable that if a teacher has an accent strong enough to hinder communication, or poor grammar, then they shouldn't be teaching that language. However, this must surely apply to all language teachers - irrespective of their nationality. I don't see this as racism merely competance. As to whether the intent of the state of Arizonia is to target immigrant teachers I don't know.
Although this gem, included with the Wall street journal article illustrates that native speakers can be illiterate morons as well.
"Teachers should speak good grammar because kids pick up what they hear," said Johanna Haver, a proponent of English-language immersion who serves as an adviser to Arizona educators.
I hope that this incpompetant is sent back to school to improve her own English.
its because this comes after the obligatory document law that passed that american news likes to hype up arizona even more for being backwards. and federal government over rides state. you cant have a "real" official language. you can say that it will be english only but federal law insures that people can have forms and things in there native language. but its kind of common sense that if a person makes mistakes in grammar or is hard to understand they arent at the level to teach yet
native speakers are often lazy and imprecise with their language. a native speaker as teacher is not necessarily better in language skills.
i am not natively speaking or writing english, but i have not yet met an american who knew english grammar or etymology better than i do.
Meskiagkasher 8 months ago
@Meskiagkasher Your written English contains a few non-natural phrases, but that is not the point. The point is that I would prefer to learn from a native speaker, no matter what language I am learning. I would not want to learn from a non-native speaker.
lingosteve 8 months ago
I'll throw something else into the mix.
Beginning January 2011, California has passed a bill that will allow Native American languages to be taught.
Who would you want to learn from?
Before Turtle Island was invaded by the Europeans, there were existing tribes of Indigenous people that were forced to learn a language that was not their own.
English is the language of people from England.
Spanish is the language of people from Spain.
Nahuatl is the language of people from Mexico.
All are American
hotstuffjetcars 1 year ago 4
Herr Kaufmann, I think that you're right when you say that people have the right to determine whether they want their region to be bilingual or not; however, I come from American, and I assure you that there are so many narrow-minded and racist people here that it is unbelievable. The bigots and racists are not limited to the lower class. Many so-called educated people here are narrow minded bigots.
robertogan 1 year ago
Good lord man, spit it out.
Does it take you twenty minutes to order a cup of coffee? Please don't ever work at a 911 call center. Uh, er, uh....And 900 numbers are out too.
SueUTube 1 year ago
Warum sollte ich nicht Niederländisch unterrichten? Ich mache oft Korrekturen der niederländischen Sprache hier im Internet, könnte englische Texte ins Niederändische übersetzen, kenne das Land und dessen Mentalität und Kultur in jeder Hinsicht. und die Niederländer selbst wissen oft gar nicht, dass ich Deutsche bin. Nur weil meine Eltern keine Niederländer sind? Fasulye
Fasulye2009 1 year ago
I knew you were a racist, one more of your “qualities”…I knew it. You do not own the English language, you moron, the English language belongs to the world….asshole…..
phonicsquest 1 year ago
Is there such a thing as the Hindu language?
devourerofbabies 1 year ago
@devourerofbabies No. Hinduism is a religion.
But there is Hindi.
Meskiagkasher 8 months ago
Lol i am from Latvia =D
naveslaikss 1 year ago
Why not use this strategy in a real Cracker state like Alabama where a Californian like me can't understand a fucking thing that comes out of the White folks mouths. (I'm White btw.) Those are the English teachers that need to be fired--the one's with deep Southern (White that is, not Black) accents. They talk ignorant and have no business teaching American children of any race/ethnicity until they correct their Cracker dialect. How is that different than discriminating against non-natives?
siankane 1 year ago
As somebody who supports the Arizona Immigration law, I am forced to say this... I am disappointed in Arizona for doing this. I fail to see how Forbidding accented teachers from teaching English is going to help the illegal immigration issue.
TheUnpromisedOne 1 year ago
Israel · :O
ROBERT9205 1 year ago
1. You are right. Most EFL instruction across the world will naturally include teachers who speak English as a L2.
2. You are right about about the availability of materials in a native speaker's voice, but I still believe hearing authentic speech is preferable.
3. Yes, one is probally more motivated when they have a native speaker as a teacher.
rawdawg15 1 year ago
I live in Arizona and my English teacher is from Mexico and he is a non-native speaker. The law is mainly directed towards primary education. Like younger children that may not be speaking English at home that are learning in school.
disiciliano 1 year ago
This video could have been delivered in less than a minute: Is it your goal or your goal for your kids to achieve native fluency or at least get as close to it as possible (post puberty native like fluency becomes increasingly difficult to achieve )? Then you want exposure to a native speaking teacher. GIGA - garbage in garbage out. It ain't rocket science folks - you can only reproduce what you hear.
fctchk 1 year ago
There may be a few Mexican Americans right on the border or in secluded regions who still speak Spanish but I have yet to meet an hispanic who speaks spanish that far down the line. Infact I have never met a third generation hispanic who still speaks the language with any degree of fluency. Also Arizona is not a police state, they are taking extreme measures for an extreme problem, even though I don't agree with their tactics.
Orlan54 1 year ago
Sometimes non-native speakers know how to explain better than a native speaker and they can be motivating. Once I taught English in Japan and I didn't know how to answer their questions because I never think about why we say what we do. I was not good at it but saw fluent Engish speaking Japanese better at teaching English than me. I think it depends on the goal of the student and the teaching power of the teacher - can't blanket on size fits all.
saiyouken 1 year ago 3
@saiyouken
Of course. In some cases, a woman can bench press more weight than a man. There are always exceptions. A well trained non-native will outperform a poorly-trained native as a teacher. However, like a woman being stronger than a man, it occurs in a minority of examples.
rawdawg15 1 year ago
Although I believe independent learning is the best for languages (depending on the person), I do think that in some cases non-native teachers can even be better than native teachers. Whereas the native teachers were born with the knowledge only to later learn the ins and outs, and a non-native teacher had to learn it from the ground up, and in many cases, knows better how to describe these words to the students learning that language than someone with an inherent knowledge.
AnwendEihwaz 1 year ago 6
Most teachers of languages seem to be ineffective, but this has nothing to do with whether or not they have native pronunciation.
usenetposts 1 year ago 2
I've been on language couses in University of Essen (Germany). In West Germany they have so many foreingers that ALL language teachers there were non-Germans. But I were there at expense of DAAD, I even received some pocket money, so I didn't have a right to complain.
AlbertKrantz 1 year ago
My very first English teacher was a non-native English speaker of Brazilian nationality and I must say she was the best teacher I have ever had in my life so far. She inspired me to be a better person and I'm thankful for that.
I think is just a matter of the will of the teacher rather than the accent of the teacher, but that's only my opinion from my own experience... I guess is different for everyone.
studyingjapanese 1 year ago
both native and non-native teachers good be either very nice or total rubbish depends on the person.
well, 25% non-native teachers would make sense for instance if they catered to students from specific countries and spoke their language - that'd make the total newbies to the language much more comfortable
yuriythebest 1 year ago
In terms of motivation and inspiration a non native speaker who has achieved fluency and perfectly mastered the language AND HAS NO ACCENT may be even more motivational to foreign language learners.
I assume that some of the 25% of the non native English teachers immigrated to the US in their early teens so they might be at least as good as native speakers in terms of proficiency.
mednos 1 year ago
Does it apply to someone who is not a native speaker of the language per se but spend 20+ years in the country where the language is spoken? I think this might be even better than having an actual native speaker teaching you.
Thank you very much for this video Steve!
mednos 1 year ago
I dont think its about being a native or non native speaker but about how motivational and inspirational the teacher is.
Codylangaugesblog 1 year ago
The news article relates to students still learning English.
I think it's reasonable that if a teacher has an accent strong enough to hinder communication, or poor grammar, then they shouldn't be teaching that language. However, this must surely apply to all language teachers - irrespective of their nationality. I don't see this as racism merely competance. As to whether the intent of the state of Arizonia is to target immigrant teachers I don't know.
acromel 1 year ago
Although this gem, included with the Wall street journal article illustrates that native speakers can be illiterate morons as well.
"Teachers should speak good grammar because kids pick up what they hear," said Johanna Haver, a proponent of English-language immersion who serves as an adviser to Arizona educators.
I hope that this incpompetant is sent back to school to improve her own English.
acromel 1 year ago
its not racist they only legalized racial profiling
ryler05 1 year ago
Arizona just keeps giving me more and more reasons never to visit it.
vicarious8989 1 year ago
@vicarious8989 Also, maybe a good amount of the 25% are people who speak the same language as the people they are teaching?
vicarious8989 1 year ago
its because this comes after the obligatory document law that passed that american news likes to hype up arizona even more for being backwards. and federal government over rides state. you cant have a "real" official language. you can say that it will be english only but federal law insures that people can have forms and things in there native language. but its kind of common sense that if a person makes mistakes in grammar or is hard to understand they arent at the level to teach yet
dudeonthasopha 1 year ago
Very interesting, thanks Steve!
anne241163 1 year ago