the reason why canadians pay less for drugs is because we use more per person then they do on the account that when ur in hospital its all included. we buy in bulk so we are charged by volume
Come on David, this doesn't have to be complicated. The answer could have been..."the more RX drugs in the market the cheaper they will be; in other words, I support the idea because competition is good for capitalism and cheaper prices are good for the health of Americans."
Ok. let's have a showdown. Which collapses first, the Canadian health care system or our inflated pill costs if Americans get to re-import pills from Canada.
Why does this frequenter of prostitutes still have a job?Is it because the right wingers are proud of him,because he cheated on his wife with a woman instead of with a man?The Canadians should tell him to mind his own business,and the Democrats should be thanking him.
Pharma's not gonna walk away from a global market with a huge demand for Rx drugs. The company that finds a cure for Parkinson's, AIDS, diabetes, cancers is gonna make all the profit that's coming to them (if 1 of the thous of public univ globally don't beat them).
We have to do is tell pharma the US isn't the cash cow anymore. Try and charge China and India or Europe those prices. Walk away from the American middle class at your own peril.
a larger portion of drug company revenues are spent on marketing, not R/D. The current drug program in Canada has actually been shown to be very profitable for drug companies as a whole because although the prices are lower the volume of sales is higher so the end result is still good.
The Canadian and European governments also invests in R/D BTW and most major pharmas have offices and laboratories in Canada and others aren't even american companies... free trade: everyone benefits.
Marketing is a cost of doing business just like lobbying Congress. If the government controls healthcare, they will decide what drugs get paid for. How do you think they will make those decisions?
BTW, it is NOT free trade if you have price controls.
Oh CommonSenseJoe how lost are you? While you're removing your lips from the behind of altruistic big Pharma, let me break it down for you. You say "profit produces innovation and research" (true), but the only way to get Pharma to do R&D is if we can get them to charge double to Americans what the rest of the world gets for half. What are we missing here?
If we bargin Pharma down to the same prices the rest of the world has, what are they gonna do? Fold up shop and start selling cookies?
No, they will continue to sell only those drugs on which they make a profit. They will not invest a billion dollars to find new drugs without a hope of making back their money and a profit.
Ask yourself why are there so few companies making vaccines today?
Of course Canada is doing something right. Why do Americans keep talking about how a country like Canada a has socialized medicine. Why can't Americans get over the Cold War and stop insinuating that the world "socialism" means turning into the Soviet Union.
What the United States needs to do is change its attitude. If they think everything is about making a profit, nothing good will get done. In the case of their healthcare system, the true profit will be saving lives that need saving.
What Canada needs to do is stand on it's own two feet! If we did not subsidizes the drugs you get, you would not get them. Profit produces innovation and research.
If they voted to allow drug price negotiation in the Prescription Drug Act or price controls, none of these "re-import" drug from Canada would never be on the table. And what make you think that when you "destroy" Canada's system, you'll get lower price in US. Wasting money on transportation fees.
This guy is so scared to negotiate with big Pharma cies that he is willing to rip off his neighbor's government. I will not be surprised if he got donation from drug company
You should NOT be using the power of the federal government to negotiate with private companies. That is what destroyed the vaccine manufacturers.
Re-importing drugs from a socialized country would put a drug company in competition with itself. Drug companies would simply no longer sell drugs to Canada unless they agreed not to wholesale them back to the US.
By all mean, I think this is a stupid idea. I mean, to screw your neighbor up so that you can please your GREEDY companies who rip you off in the 1st place...where is the logic of that ?
If this do happen, I expect Canada will do the same, importing their drug from Europe and so on. And I'll tell ya, you already pissed off the Muslims (Obama's trying hard to fix this shit up), the rest of Western world will not be happy to suffer the consequence of your lack of leadership.
That's your rebuttal? My god I thought people with "common sense" in their name ought to have some common sense. No wonder people hate you neo-conservative arrogant American pigs. You might as well just say "well, no money to paid our drug here, let's go invade Canada to loot theirs".
By the way, enjoy paying your pharmaceutical company's 10th penthouse.
No one is going to loot Canada because Canada has not got a thing to loot. You survive only because of the good graces of America. Don't buy our drugs anymore. Make you own drugs then and see how that works out for you.
LOL, anyhow nonsensejoe, it's been great to have a glimpse of avg neo-con IQ level. Keep your good graces to yourself, as Vietnam, Iran (before the Islamic revolution), Iraq and Afghanistan already set example of your "good grace".
Hope your country will fix its health care system. After that, may Obama take a look to fix your education system, as you might benefit greatly from it.
So your point is ??? what does all your country's greatness have to do with you paying more for your drug ??? that you like to burn your money away ??? argue all you want joe, you can't deny that right now, this guy want to wrecking other countries' system to save his own instead of dealing with it's greedy CEOs. You see greatness in that ? I see lots of pussies too afraid to talk down its political contributors for its people's good.
My point is simple. Your country will be hurt if we go to a socialized system. Your system survives on the back of capitalistic system. Just remember this conversation when no company sell drugs in Canada anymore.
We "will be hurt" if YOU go to a socialized system ? What are you talking about ?
Canada is just a country with some socialist idea on top of capitalist economy (less than Western Europe, but they have better results on avg). We are not a communist state, our government's just more involved in society.
You probably watch too much 60s US anti-commies ads. Know that pure capitalism or pure socialism is wrong. A balanced government with idea from both ideologies usually have better outcome.
socialism = public/state ownership = government run. Not that the US is a socialist country, just that it has very few government run program compare to the rest of Western World.
Socialism varies from statism to libertarianism, it does not mean gov't ownership. Socialists can be individualists as well, they just fundamentally disagree with exploitation of individuals through illegitimate power.
Oh, I guess forgot to mention that too, thanks for the correction JimmyeDallas. But then again, I don't know any country who are more Libertarian socialist.
Benjamin Franklin: "Nothing is certain but death and taxes."
Since I'm old enough to realize Ben's dictum as a granted, I'm now more concerned about HOW my tax dollars are spent - because I will always be paying taxes.
Your list is exemplary.
If my tax dollars go towards health care for all - then, um, you know what? I'm very OK with that.
I'm not rich.
Does it have to hearken back to John Donne? "No man is an island."
I have an inkling, that I'm in this life not just for myself.
Respectfully, food stamps is not food for all. I don't get them, but I have to fund them for others with my tax dollars. While I buy what I can afford, and prepare it, they can buy high priced, precooked and prepared foods. If you had a program where everyone got food stamps, you would not be able to buy the foods you want because the shelves would be empty. Stores would have to limit people (rationing). This is the lesson of KFC grilled chicken promotion. People love free stuff.
@CommonSenseJoe Don't be a fool. All rational governments have tried to provide food, housing, clothes, etc for all. Only a few governments have tried to deny these things to it's citizens. Nazi Germany tried to deny these things selectively (Jews and others). This government tries to provide health care to all. It prevents hospitals from denying emergency service. It's just that the health care market in this country is incredibly distorted at this particular time.
No one is suggesting we let people die in the strees or starve to death. The question is how this care is delivered to these individuals. I agree the market is distorted, but the cause IS the government, not the soluton.
@CommonSenseJoe You said that it wasn't the job of governments to provide food, housing, etc. I said that if government didn't allow for its citizens to acquire these things it doesn't survive.
This anti-government crap from the rightwing is really tiresome. . The private market has almost driven us off a cliff and it was only due to government intervention that we didn't end up in a total catastrophe.
I am not anti-government. There are things the government does well, but VERY FEW. It was NOT the free market but the government meddling in the free market. The current healthcare "crisis" is in large part caused by the government failing to pay for Medicare patients. The cost of their care gets shifted to us.
under the current drug system in canada drug companies still make a lot of money, enough to continue to make that money.
it's basic economics: once you have developed a drug you have already taken on what are called sunk costs. the marginal cost to you is 0 to start selling the drugs in another market at that point.
so if the drug is developed and sold in the US there's no reason for the company to try to not sell it in Canada, Europe and elsewhere...
Tell me, how Canadian drug companies operate solely in Canada and how many new drugs have they developed?
I understand how the system works. Once a drug is developed, it pays to sell it, even for a small profit, in countries with socialize systems. However, if America moves to a socialized system, where will the profits to do the research and development? Our government will impose price controls and shorten the patient life of new drugs. No profit, no new drugs. It is that simple.
You take our oil and our electricity. We help your economy by purchasing products from American companies. I don't understand why Americans think their country is number one. I really don't. With all that debt pilling up, plus a deplorable health care system, and oh, how can i forget the war in the Iraq. Greed, and lust for power has taken over the true needs of the people. What is really wrong with America is that it has had an overdose of Capitalism. Money before health will not save a life.
I think one of the most vulgar things our government ever did to kiss the ass of big Pharma was agree not to shop outside the US to get cheaper drugs for programs like Medicare. That just guaranteed that Pharma can continue to charge us twice or more what the same drugs cost across the border.
You obviously do not understand how the drug pricing works. The cheaper drugs are NOT really cheaper. They are the same drugs from the American manufacture. Under the price controls of a socialized system, they are sold cheaper because of the profit made here. No drug company is going to put itself out of business.
Drug companies make a profit in Canada, as well, selling only to Canadians. They're not selling at a loss...they're just making MORE of a profit than they would otherwise through reimportation. The US is the ONLY G8 country that does not have price controls on pharmaceuticals. It is the odd duck on the block.
You make it sound like only corporations deliver innovation.
Let me remind you that what you are using right now - the internet - was developed as part of a Pentagon program funded by taxpayers. No corporations involved, just a bunch of eggheads working for the 'guvmint'.
the current internet is an offshoot of ARPAnet and grew from a number of government funded and public funded research.
DARPA is part of the DOJ and therefore is actually part of the US gvmt.
every single foundational technology of the internet was not done through the private sector at all... this is public information btw, you should do your research first.
If you don't understand what the internet is then yes, you could say that.
The internet itself has remained unchanged since its inception with one exception: there is a looming migration to ipv6.
What you're referring to is the super structure that's built on top of it and the services that can be delivered through it. Websites and youtube aren't the internet. That is a fact.
The last mile connections are not the internet either. They are establishing a connection to the internet yes but not the internet per se... that's like saying that broadcasting technology is your TV.
But speaking of connections to the internet it's actually somewhat ironic that you mention this because telcos in the US have done a piss poor job of broad band penetration. The US ranks pretty low compared to most developed nations. This is an example of how the free market doesn't always work.
What good is the internet if no one is connected? You are making a distinction with no difference. As for broadband penetration, the reason is that there is no profit in it. Believe me, where there is a buck to be made, business jump on it.
You can't change definitions to prove your point. As far as the internet is concerned individuals connecting to the internet itself is irrelevant. If everyone stops listening to a radio station it doesn't mean it has stopped broadcasting... it's the same thing.
Re: BB penetration. Actually, there is profit to be made just no competition. Left on their own ISPs naturally form quasi monopolies. This is a classic example of market failure and where government is needed to correct it.
I am not changing anything. My bill comes from the private sector, not the government. Yes, the original internet was started by the government. However it was the private sector that made it what it is today.
It is not a market failure. Where is it written that everyone must have access to broadband? The comparison to radio is flawed because most radio stations are businesses.
The government corrects nothing. It just makes matter worse. For example, "Cash for Clunkers". What a waste!
@CommonSenseJoe Everybody thinks the Cash for Clunkers program was very successful. All except for conservatives who want to deny reality and try to convince others to deny it too.
Tell me, how was it successful? Simply giving a way money to people does not consitute success in my judgment. It lower the value of my car and increase the cost of a used car for those who cannot afford a new car. The only people to benefit were the UAW workers that kept their jobs a little longer. Even with that, most of the cars bought were made by foreign car makers.
@CommonSenseJoe The point of Cash for Clunkers was to help the automobile companies avoid bankruptcy. It wasn't to give money to anybody or to any union. In that it was successful since GM and Chrysler are still in business.
Much as it pains me to defend David Vitter, I think the title of this video is mistaken and the result of Vitter not expressing himself well.
What I took from his fumbling words is that he feels that bringing in drugs from Canada would cause the collapse of the practice of cheaper drugs to CAN, expensive drugs to USA. Then when asked for clarification, he realized it sounded like he was complimenting CAN's system, so he made it sound like he wanted also to harm CAN's medical system.
It is against the law to re-import drugs. The drug company allows a small amount of it, but they will not permit being in competition with themselves.
What makes this guy think that the prices he will get after the Canadian system colapses (a lot of wishful thnking there) will be lower than the ones he currently gets through exploiting it?
Why is he more committed to bringing about a free market utopia than in looking out for his constituents' interests?
now i'm gonna act just like a backward republican:
why the hell would anyone listen to what this lying "family values" hypocrite says? if he lies about his core beliefs, what the hell makes one think he will tell the truth about anything?
"...the big drug companies are able to charge very different prices in different countries, and, of course, we pay the highest price of all."
...B/c in Canada, our universal health care system's large size grants us leverage in price negotiation, and price controls mean we don't allow pharmaceutical companies to #%^& us up the a#$, like Vitter lets them do to him.
Vitter's a moron for believing OUR system is the problem of his... Most republican's don't really believe in free market economics, they live in corporatism.
Drug development and production are not and have never been a prerogative of drug companies. In fact, governments fund the universities and labs where the real research is being done and end up paying again for the final marketed product.
I say, cut the middle man, cut the drug companies.
University don't bring drugs to the market, they do the 'hard' research, which is funded for the most part through taxpayers money, Pharma chips in but keeps the copyright, tweaks it a bit and sell it to you at 100x the price.
Read Silent Theft: the private plunder of our common wealth by David Bollier esp, the chapter about the privatization of public knowledge.
I mean, I know YOU won't read it, put people out there who want to learn more about this issue might.
This is like arguing with a dining room table, no offence.
You choose to live in a world where hard-working companies embrace competition, develop drugs from scratch, sell them at the 'right' price and invest the profits in R&D. So much for 'common sense'.
LOL. Why do libertards and wingnuts always have internet handles with things like "commonsense" and "reason" and "logic" in them? Because if you have to SAY it...
so.. david "hooker lover" vitter wants to destroy another country's healthcare system. Canada needs to put him on a terrorism watch list and make sure he never crosses the border.
This comment has received too many negative votesshow
Socialized medicine doesn't really have a "system" for prescription drugs. The system is one easy step: get a disease where the drugs are covered by the state and hope you don't have to take a medication that's NOT covered under the federal insurance.
it sounds good except for the fact that the reason we pay so much is because he and others in congress voted that we can not argue over the absurd prices that the drug companies charge us. this seems like a disguised way to raise prices worldwide.
supply and demand, if you remove the supply of the drugs from the neighboring countries and the drug companies don't increase sales to that country, there will be a shortage which will cause the price to go up.
Wow, Vitter actually advocates destroying a working prescription drug program of one of America's closest & dearest friends just so that America's own screwed up system won't be "as screwed up" in comparison. How about we fix our own problems, instead of bringing the world down to our own level? And also, "re-importation"? How about let's only import the crap we need once instead of twice? It's cheaper & better on the environment. Even better, why don't we go back to making the crap we need?
There is no bottom to the insane predations of Republicans upon the world. As we deposed enemies abroad, in world war ii and in following decades, they extended the breadth and depth of their greed to include all nations.
I honestly think I lost some brain cells watching this. 3/4ths the way through I realized I was confused & started to doubt everything I know. Is up still up? I don't even know if what I wrote makes any sense
And yes, as you, I started thinking about our intervention misadventures in other countries as if installing the Shah of Iran, overthrowing Saddam, poking around in Central America, etc worked out so well for us. Let's eff up more countries. Aren't we taller if we stand on top of others?
We created Saddam in the first place. If it weren't for Reagan giving him so much hardware Iran would've steamrolled them and the other piddling nations in the area and been right up against Israel. Guess why nobody wanted that to happen.
Oh, it's even more twisted than that (as I'm sure you are already aware). Reagan armed BOTH Iraq AND Iran. Remember Iran-Contra, arms for hostages, we don't negotiate with terrorists but have no problem arming them, Sandinistas killing nuns, the CIA importing cocaine to LA, Just say no? It's crazy. It's diabolical. One would think it was some Hollywood creation if I hadn't of lived through it. And now Oliver North is considered a hero by many. It's so messed up it's hard to imagine.
20 years ago canada didn't even honour patent protections for drug makers from around the world...we had even cheaper drugs ...this man doesn't even know the colour of the sky
Wow.. Did he really just say that crap? I love Canada I don't want to destroy them.
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I don't think that Vitter knows that most canadians can see this mess on your cable news channels and on youtube. This is taking things to a whole different level. If americans don't want to reform their health care system, that's fine by me, but to exploit your relationship with Canada and mess up ours? Canadians have been mostly silent and respectfull not to enter your debate, but this is getting out of hand. WTF!!!!!
Jeez, maybe make it clear you're referring to the members of one political party next time instead of just painting all of America with the same brush. Last I checked the majority of us weren't mind readers.
He's For re-importation of Canadian Prostitutes so he can have more of a choice! He's tired of only American Prostitutes..he wants Canadian ones too! Republican whores
Should we check to see how much Vitter receives from Big Pharma! I'm sure our allies North of here are happy to hear how a Congressperson wants to destroy their system.
According to the Center for Responsive Politics, our friend Vitter has $1million in donations from the health care sector. :Db Gee. I wonder why he's got crappy ideas for reform. Maybe because he's afraid of losing his biggest cash cow behind Insurance.
I like how the cattle just sit there silently chewing their cud while this douche talks about deliberately collapsing another country's health system so that the US can still have privately run health insurance. Fuck you, America.
I was under the impression that US drug prices were high due to government controls that SET the prices that high, preventing competition between drug companies.
In Canada, our drug companies compete openly, lowering prices.
US drug prices are high because the government doesn''t allow people to collectively bargain for drug prices, they leave that to insurance companies who can collude with drug companies to take as much money as people have and bankrupt them, making money flow from the hands of the many into the hands of the few.
This is why a bipartisan bill won't work. How can one negotiate with such outrageous policies in good faith? One side is here to fix the system (Dems), and one side is here to keep 'the fix' in place (GOP).
I know some libertarian will say, Both sides cave to corporations. No doubt. Obama compromised too much with PhRMA (GOP was upset too, not b/c it hurt consumers, but b/c it might hurt PhRMA)
It boggles the mind that the Dems are blamed for not negotiating with the dining room table.
Afluent Americans acting like "Oh my ghod. you are taking away my basic health care". What a crock of shit. These self rightious morons belive they are the chosen ones; how can you have a intelligent debate when guns are invilved?
We can't just bargain for lower prices with the insurance companies as a country of 300,000,000 people, no, that would be SOCIALISM. Can't have no socialism in this country.
and his solution is to fuck up ralth care for the rest of the world and allow insurance to rip them off as well, because then that will some how lower costs.
the reason why canadians pay less for drugs is because we use more per person then they do on the account that when ur in hospital its all included. we buy in bulk so we are charged by volume
aliciaisnumberone69 4 weeks ago
Come on David, this doesn't have to be complicated. The answer could have been..."the more RX drugs in the market the cheaper they will be; in other words, I support the idea because competition is good for capitalism and cheaper prices are good for the health of Americans."
UsualStaples 1 year ago
am i hearing this right? he wants to destroy another countries rx system? WHAT? what is wrong here?
cjm608 1 year ago
Ok. let's have a showdown. Which collapses first, the Canadian health care system or our inflated pill costs if Americans get to re-import pills from Canada.
jwberrie 2 years ago
Vitter's already been proven a hyprocrite, a punk, and a coward. Now he's adding straight out lunatic!
jaluck 2 years ago
Louisiana: One of your two Senators in Washington, DC is a whore monger. Nice.
jkfromcincty 2 years ago
Wow ... let's annihilate our neighbor's health system in order to obtain a marginal return on our ability to leverage the pharmaceutical companies?
Why not just DIRECTLY bargain with them like Canada and virtually every other Western democracy?
danta80 2 years ago
Why does this frequenter of prostitutes still have a job?Is it because the right wingers are proud of him,because he cheated on his wife with a woman instead of with a man?The Canadians should tell him to mind his own business,and the Democrats should be thanking him.
VanGoghsEar1890 2 years ago
Keep your nose out of Canada's business!!
ic48336 2 years ago
Pharma's not gonna walk away from a global market with a huge demand for Rx drugs. The company that finds a cure for Parkinson's, AIDS, diabetes, cancers is gonna make all the profit that's coming to them (if 1 of the thous of public univ globally don't beat them).
We have to do is tell pharma the US isn't the cash cow anymore. Try and charge China and India or Europe those prices. Walk away from the American middle class at your own peril.
They won't so stop promoting the status quo.
route99 2 years ago
Which one's are going to invest a billion dollars to research, develop, and get approval for a new drug, when they cannot recoup their investment?
CommonSenseJoe 2 years ago
a larger portion of drug company revenues are spent on marketing, not R/D. The current drug program in Canada has actually been shown to be very profitable for drug companies as a whole because although the prices are lower the volume of sales is higher so the end result is still good.
The Canadian and European governments also invests in R/D BTW and most major pharmas have offices and laboratories in Canada and others aren't even american companies... free trade: everyone benefits.
OrbisFerrum 2 years ago
Marketing is a cost of doing business just like lobbying Congress. If the government controls healthcare, they will decide what drugs get paid for. How do you think they will make those decisions?
BTW, it is NOT free trade if you have price controls.
CommonSenseJoe 2 years ago
Oh CommonSenseJoe how lost are you? While you're removing your lips from the behind of altruistic big Pharma, let me break it down for you. You say "profit produces innovation and research" (true), but the only way to get Pharma to do R&D is if we can get them to charge double to Americans what the rest of the world gets for half. What are we missing here?
If we bargin Pharma down to the same prices the rest of the world has, what are they gonna do? Fold up shop and start selling cookies?
route99 2 years ago
No, they will continue to sell only those drugs on which they make a profit. They will not invest a billion dollars to find new drugs without a hope of making back their money and a profit.
Ask yourself why are there so few companies making vaccines today?
CommonSenseJoe 2 years ago
....what. Sometimes, I wonder how these people even get elected.
Cheshirecatmeow1 2 years ago
Of course Canada is doing something right. Why do Americans keep talking about how a country like Canada a has socialized medicine. Why can't Americans get over the Cold War and stop insinuating that the world "socialism" means turning into the Soviet Union.
What the United States needs to do is change its attitude. If they think everything is about making a profit, nothing good will get done. In the case of their healthcare system, the true profit will be saving lives that need saving.
stevesanterre 2 years ago 4
What Canada needs to do is stand on it's own two feet! If we did not subsidizes the drugs you get, you would not get them. Profit produces innovation and research.
CommonSenseJoe 2 years ago
Vitter " Apply a certain safety provision....and got drugs from there.... the system would collapse"
Is he implying Canadian drugs are "less" safe ?
with "re-importing" the exported drugs?
WHAT A WISHY WASHY CIRCULAR LOGIC !
teleutube 2 years ago
Did he actually just admit to planning to collapse another Country's system??
moronicnotions 2 years ago
David Vitter is a lying hypocritical douchebag. In other words the typical southern republican.
bigtexansfan 2 years ago 7
I'm confused....he's importing drugs from canada to destory the canadian drug system so we can lower price here and fuck everything up for them? O_o
Thinking4You 2 years ago
Vitter is very vulnerable in Louis.
I wonder if he'll try to get his wife to campaign with him?
DillonX 2 years ago
If they voted to allow drug price negotiation in the Prescription Drug Act or price controls, none of these "re-import" drug from Canada would never be on the table. And what make you think that when you "destroy" Canada's system, you'll get lower price in US. Wasting money on transportation fees.
This guy is so scared to negotiate with big Pharma cies that he is willing to rip off his neighbor's government. I will not be surprised if he got donation from drug company
bigboss025 2 years ago
You should NOT be using the power of the federal government to negotiate with private companies. That is what destroyed the vaccine manufacturers.
Re-importing drugs from a socialized country would put a drug company in competition with itself. Drug companies would simply no longer sell drugs to Canada unless they agreed not to wholesale them back to the US.
CommonSenseJoe 2 years ago
@ CommonSenseJoe
By all mean, I think this is a stupid idea. I mean, to screw your neighbor up so that you can please your GREEDY companies who rip you off in the 1st place...where is the logic of that ?
If this do happen, I expect Canada will do the same, importing their drug from Europe and so on. And I'll tell ya, you already pissed off the Muslims (Obama's trying hard to fix this shit up), the rest of Western world will not be happy to suffer the consequence of your lack of leadership.
bigboss025 2 years ago 3
Yeah, we are really worried about pissing off the Muslims. They don't mess with us anymore because we will just invade their countries.
If you think the companies are greedy, don't take their medications at all.
CommonSenseJoe 2 years ago
That's your rebuttal? My god I thought people with "common sense" in their name ought to have some common sense. No wonder people hate you neo-conservative arrogant American pigs. You might as well just say "well, no money to paid our drug here, let's go invade Canada to loot theirs".
By the way, enjoy paying your pharmaceutical company's 10th penthouse.
bigboss025 2 years ago 3
No one is going to loot Canada because Canada has not got a thing to loot. You survive only because of the good graces of America. Don't buy our drugs anymore. Make you own drugs then and see how that works out for you.
CommonSenseJoe 2 years ago
LOL, anyhow nonsensejoe, it's been great to have a glimpse of avg neo-con IQ level. Keep your good graces to yourself, as Vietnam, Iran (before the Islamic revolution), Iraq and Afghanistan already set example of your "good grace".
Hope your country will fix its health care system. After that, may Obama take a look to fix your education system, as you might benefit greatly from it.
bigboss025 2 years ago
Intelligent response? The fact is Canada has benefited more from the US than we ever have from Canada.
CommonSenseJoe 2 years ago
So your point is ??? what does all your country's greatness have to do with you paying more for your drug ??? that you like to burn your money away ??? argue all you want joe, you can't deny that right now, this guy want to wrecking other countries' system to save his own instead of dealing with it's greedy CEOs. You see greatness in that ? I see lots of pussies too afraid to talk down its political contributors for its people's good.
bigboss025 2 years ago
My point is simple. Your country will be hurt if we go to a socialized system. Your system survives on the back of capitalistic system. Just remember this conversation when no company sell drugs in Canada anymore.
CommonSenseJoe 2 years ago
We "will be hurt" if YOU go to a socialized system ? What are you talking about ?
Canada is just a country with some socialist idea on top of capitalist economy (less than Western Europe, but they have better results on avg). We are not a communist state, our government's just more involved in society.
You probably watch too much 60s US anti-commies ads. Know that pure capitalism or pure socialism is wrong. A balanced government with idea from both ideologies usually have better outcome.
bigboss025 2 years ago
Tell me, how many drug companies are there in Canada that sell only in Canada? Do they sell only generics? How research and development do they do?
No one is suggesting you are communists. You have socialized medicine, and we don't want it. Socialism always fails.
CommonSenseJoe 2 years ago
"Socialism always fails"
Well, you can start to go protest to your government so they can eliminate the following "government-run social program".
1. Department of Energy
2. Municipal water utility
3. FCC
4. National Weather Service
5. Department of Agriculture (your food)
6. FDA
7. National Institute of Standard Technology
8. National Highway Traffic Safety Adm.
bigboss025 2 years ago 2
Socialism is not the same thing as "government run". You need to learn the difference. Not all government services are socialism.
CommonSenseJoe 2 years ago
socialism = public/state ownership = government run. Not that the US is a socialist country, just that it has very few government run program compare to the rest of Western World.
bigboss025 2 years ago
Socialism varies from statism to libertarianism, it does not mean gov't ownership. Socialists can be individualists as well, they just fundamentally disagree with exploitation of individuals through illegitimate power.
JimmyeDallas 2 years ago
Oh, I guess forgot to mention that too, thanks for the correction JimmyeDallas. But then again, I don't know any country who are more Libertarian socialist.
bigboss025 2 years ago
9. All your ROADS
10. Federal Department of Transportation
11. Environmental Protection Agency
12. Federal Reserve Bank (Hope you do)
13. US postal service
14. Firemen
15. Police
16. Defense advanced Research projects adm. (your internet)
17. U.S. army (why use them, it's gov run, just hire blackwater all the way)
bigboss025 2 years ago 2
Benjamin Franklin: "Nothing is certain but death and taxes."
Since I'm old enough to realize Ben's dictum as a granted, I'm now more concerned about HOW my tax dollars are spent - because I will always be paying taxes.
Your list is exemplary.
If my tax dollars go towards health care for all - then, um, you know what? I'm very OK with that.
I'm not rich.
Does it have to hearken back to John Donne? "No man is an island."
I have an inkling, that I'm in this life not just for myself.
mrspeel7 2 years ago
Then what is next? Food for ALL, Cars for ALL, Houses for ALL, Clothes for ALL, Jobs for ALL. Nations have tried this and it leads to destruction.
CommonSenseJoe 2 years ago
Thanks for your comment - I should have written more precisely than just stating, "health care for all."
If I may use an item from your list, I'm sure you know there already IS a "food for all" program: food stamps.
Such a government program has never affected my freedom to buy my own food.
mrspeel7 2 years ago
Respectfully, food stamps is not food for all. I don't get them, but I have to fund them for others with my tax dollars. While I buy what I can afford, and prepare it, they can buy high priced, precooked and prepared foods. If you had a program where everyone got food stamps, you would not be able to buy the foods you want because the shelves would be empty. Stores would have to limit people (rationing). This is the lesson of KFC grilled chicken promotion. People love free stuff.
CommonSenseJoe 2 years ago
@CommonSenseJoe Don't be a fool. All rational governments have tried to provide food, housing, clothes, etc for all. Only a few governments have tried to deny these things to it's citizens. Nazi Germany tried to deny these things selectively (Jews and others). This government tries to provide health care to all. It prevents hospitals from denying emergency service. It's just that the health care market in this country is incredibly distorted at this particular time.
jwberrie 2 years ago
No one is suggesting we let people die in the strees or starve to death. The question is how this care is delivered to these individuals. I agree the market is distorted, but the cause IS the government, not the soluton.
CommonSenseJoe 2 years ago
@CommonSenseJoe You said that it wasn't the job of governments to provide food, housing, etc. I said that if government didn't allow for its citizens to acquire these things it doesn't survive.
This anti-government crap from the rightwing is really tiresome. . The private market has almost driven us off a cliff and it was only due to government intervention that we didn't end up in a total catastrophe.
jwberrie 2 years ago
I am not anti-government. There are things the government does well, but VERY FEW. It was NOT the free market but the government meddling in the free market. The current healthcare "crisis" is in large part caused by the government failing to pay for Medicare patients. The cost of their care gets shifted to us.
CommonSenseJoe 2 years ago
under the current drug system in canada drug companies still make a lot of money, enough to continue to make that money.
it's basic economics: once you have developed a drug you have already taken on what are called sunk costs. the marginal cost to you is 0 to start selling the drugs in another market at that point.
so if the drug is developed and sold in the US there's no reason for the company to try to not sell it in Canada, Europe and elsewhere...
OrbisFerrum 2 years ago
Tell me, how Canadian drug companies operate solely in Canada and how many new drugs have they developed?
I understand how the system works. Once a drug is developed, it pays to sell it, even for a small profit, in countries with socialize systems. However, if America moves to a socialized system, where will the profits to do the research and development? Our government will impose price controls and shorten the patient life of new drugs. No profit, no new drugs. It is that simple.
CommonSenseJoe 2 years ago
You take our oil and our electricity. We help your economy by purchasing products from American companies. I don't understand why Americans think their country is number one. I really don't. With all that debt pilling up, plus a deplorable health care system, and oh, how can i forget the war in the Iraq. Greed, and lust for power has taken over the true needs of the people. What is really wrong with America is that it has had an overdose of Capitalism. Money before health will not save a life.
stevesanterre 2 years ago
We don't need you anymore than we need Mexico.
Our healthcare system in NOT deplorable.
The war in Iraq was absolutely necessary.
CommonSenseJoe 2 years ago
I think one of the most vulgar things our government ever did to kiss the ass of big Pharma was agree not to shop outside the US to get cheaper drugs for programs like Medicare. That just guaranteed that Pharma can continue to charge us twice or more what the same drugs cost across the border.
GretchenDawntreader 2 years ago
You obviously do not understand how the drug pricing works. The cheaper drugs are NOT really cheaper. They are the same drugs from the American manufacture. Under the price controls of a socialized system, they are sold cheaper because of the profit made here. No drug company is going to put itself out of business.
CommonSenseJoe 2 years ago
Drug companies make a profit in Canada, as well, selling only to Canadians. They're not selling at a loss...they're just making MORE of a profit than they would otherwise through reimportation. The US is the ONLY G8 country that does not have price controls on pharmaceuticals. It is the odd duck on the block.
fishhead06 2 years ago 2
Not enough to justify a billion dollars of investment in a new drug.
CommonSenseJoe 2 years ago
You make it sound like only corporations deliver innovation.
Let me remind you that what you are using right now - the internet - was developed as part of a Pentagon program funded by taxpayers. No corporations involved, just a bunch of eggheads working for the 'guvmint'.
MarquisdeBarrabas 2 years ago 3
I did not say that. What we have now was not developed by the Pentagon. It was develop by companies who invested in technology for a profit.
CommonSenseJoe 2 years ago
wait, what?
the current internet is an offshoot of ARPAnet and grew from a number of government funded and public funded research.
DARPA is part of the DOJ and therefore is actually part of the US gvmt.
every single foundational technology of the internet was not done through the private sector at all... this is public information btw, you should do your research first.
OrbisFerrum 2 years ago
What the internet is today is driven by capitalism, not the government. That is a fact.
CommonSenseJoe 2 years ago
If you don't understand what the internet is then yes, you could say that.
The internet itself has remained unchanged since its inception with one exception: there is a looming migration to ipv6.
What you're referring to is the super structure that's built on top of it and the services that can be delivered through it. Websites and youtube aren't the internet. That is a fact.
OrbisFerrum 2 years ago
Who is running the lines to the homes of people? Who is marketing the service to people?
I understand the origin of the net. Call it what you want. However, what we have today is NOT provided by the government, but by the private sector.
CommonSenseJoe 2 years ago
The last mile connections are not the internet either. They are establishing a connection to the internet yes but not the internet per se... that's like saying that broadcasting technology is your TV.
But speaking of connections to the internet it's actually somewhat ironic that you mention this because telcos in the US have done a piss poor job of broad band penetration. The US ranks pretty low compared to most developed nations. This is an example of how the free market doesn't always work.
OrbisFerrum 2 years ago
What good is the internet if no one is connected? You are making a distinction with no difference. As for broadband penetration, the reason is that there is no profit in it. Believe me, where there is a buck to be made, business jump on it.
CommonSenseJoe 2 years ago
You can't change definitions to prove your point. As far as the internet is concerned individuals connecting to the internet itself is irrelevant. If everyone stops listening to a radio station it doesn't mean it has stopped broadcasting... it's the same thing.
Re: BB penetration. Actually, there is profit to be made just no competition. Left on their own ISPs naturally form quasi monopolies. This is a classic example of market failure and where government is needed to correct it.
OrbisFerrum 2 years ago
I am not changing anything. My bill comes from the private sector, not the government. Yes, the original internet was started by the government. However it was the private sector that made it what it is today.
It is not a market failure. Where is it written that everyone must have access to broadband? The comparison to radio is flawed because most radio stations are businesses.
The government corrects nothing. It just makes matter worse. For example, "Cash for Clunkers". What a waste!
CommonSenseJoe 2 years ago
@CommonSenseJoe Everybody thinks the Cash for Clunkers program was very successful. All except for conservatives who want to deny reality and try to convince others to deny it too.
jwberrie 2 years ago
Tell me, how was it successful? Simply giving a way money to people does not consitute success in my judgment. It lower the value of my car and increase the cost of a used car for those who cannot afford a new car. The only people to benefit were the UAW workers that kept their jobs a little longer. Even with that, most of the cars bought were made by foreign car makers.
CommonSenseJoe 2 years ago
@CommonSenseJoe The point of Cash for Clunkers was to help the automobile companies avoid bankruptcy. It wasn't to give money to anybody or to any union. In that it was successful since GM and Chrysler are still in business.
jwberrie 2 years ago
do you have a life?
flowergirl1313 2 years ago
Yes
CommonSenseJoe 2 years ago
Much as it pains me to defend David Vitter, I think the title of this video is mistaken and the result of Vitter not expressing himself well.
What I took from his fumbling words is that he feels that bringing in drugs from Canada would cause the collapse of the practice of cheaper drugs to CAN, expensive drugs to USA. Then when asked for clarification, he realized it sounded like he was complimenting CAN's system, so he made it sound like he wanted also to harm CAN's medical system.
GretchenDawntreader 2 years ago 2
GretchenDawntreader, voice of reason!
My interpretation exactly. (And I share your pain.)
wildwilly1111 2 years ago
"so they're doing something right, I guess?"
OH EM GEEEE!!! Well at least he had the balls to speak up. He learned something today, props.
Tripp393 2 years ago
America.... Fuck Yeah ! Here to save the Mother Fucking God Dam Day YEAH !!!
TheManSand322 2 years ago
As a Canadian, I have one answer to Vitter's strategy: Shut off the prescription pipeline to the United States.
The US imports cheap drugs from Canada for the same reason is imports cheap labour from Mexico - to gouge the American people.
fishhead06 2 years ago
You are wrong. The drug companies would just stop selling their drugs in Canada. We are not buying drugs from Canada.
CommonSenseJoe 2 years ago
Why would they do that? A buck's a buck. They were exporting pharmaceuticals to Canada before reimportation became lucrative, after all.
fishhead06 2 years ago
It is against the law to re-import drugs. The drug company allows a small amount of it, but they will not permit being in competition with themselves.
CommonSenseJoe 2 years ago
They don't allow any of it - I have a prescription from Lilly, and "export outside Canada strictly prohibited" is written right on the bottle.
fishhead06 2 years ago
Canada Rocks!
end of discussion!
Eldrad235 2 years ago
what a fucking asshole...
he wants to destroy a system that works so pharmaceutical companies to be able to price gouge canadians as well...
EnhancementSmoker 2 years ago
You got it! His explanation made no sense.
RodgersRevolution 2 years ago
the drug companies don't have to sell their drugs to canada for cheaper (do they?), so why do they do it?
FinnHawk 2 years ago
they do...cuz the canadian gov can negotiate the prices...we cant...
EnhancementSmoker 2 years ago
What makes this guy think that the prices he will get after the Canadian system colapses (a lot of wishful thnking there) will be lower than the ones he currently gets through exploiting it?
Why is he more committed to bringing about a free market utopia than in looking out for his constituents' interests?
Oh, the humanity.
MarquisdeBarrabas 2 years ago
In other words the drug companies rob Americans but not Canadians. Fucking US government.
7jerryv7 2 years ago
now i'm gonna act just like a backward republican:
why the hell would anyone listen to what this lying "family values" hypocrite says? if he lies about his core beliefs, what the hell makes one think he will tell the truth about anything?
wntoply6 2 years ago
I live in Canada and just finished my visit to the local death panel. The doctors there gave me one month to live. I picked May, 2026!
Painkill3r4 2 years ago 7
"...the big drug companies are able to charge very different prices in different countries, and, of course, we pay the highest price of all."
...B/c in Canada, our universal health care system's large size grants us leverage in price negotiation, and price controls mean we don't allow pharmaceutical companies to #%^& us up the a#$, like Vitter lets them do to him.
domino230 2 years ago 5
What will you do if the drug companies no longer want to sell in Canada?
CommonSenseJoe 2 years ago
They wouldn't, they still make profits.
Vitter's a moron for believing OUR system is the problem of his... Most republican's don't really believe in free market economics, they live in corporatism.
domino230 2 years ago
Drug development and production are not and have never been a prerogative of drug companies. In fact, governments fund the universities and labs where the real research is being done and end up paying again for the final marketed product.
I say, cut the middle man, cut the drug companies.
MarquisdeBarrabas 2 years ago
That is not true. No university ever brought a drug to market.
CommonSenseJoe 2 years ago
University don't bring drugs to the market, they do the 'hard' research, which is funded for the most part through taxpayers money, Pharma chips in but keeps the copyright, tweaks it a bit and sell it to you at 100x the price.
Read Silent Theft: the private plunder of our common wealth by David Bollier esp, the chapter about the privatization of public knowledge.
I mean, I know YOU won't read it, put people out there who want to learn more about this issue might.
MarquisdeBarrabas 2 years ago
Do you know how much is costs to bring a drug to market?
CommonSenseJoe 2 years ago
This is like arguing with a dining room table, no offence.
You choose to live in a world where hard-working companies embrace competition, develop drugs from scratch, sell them at the 'right' price and invest the profits in R&D. So much for 'common sense'.
I choose to live in reality.
MarquisdeBarrabas 2 years ago 3
What reality is that? That all people are responsible and hardworking, and the corporate industrial complex is keeping them down and poor.
CommonSenseJoe 2 years ago
Just read the book.
MarquisdeBarrabas 2 years ago
LOL. Why do libertards and wingnuts always have internet handles with things like "commonsense" and "reason" and "logic" in them? Because if you have to SAY it...
BelleGuinness 2 years ago
It is just a handle....but rose by any other name is still a rose.
CommonSenseJoe 2 years ago
so.. david "hooker lover" vitter wants to destroy another country's healthcare system. Canada needs to put him on a terrorism watch list and make sure he never crosses the border.
KataVideo 2 years ago 7
Does david vitter wish to re-import prostitutes? maybe canada has price controls on prostitutes, and he'd like it better.
KataVideo 2 years ago 3
Do the country an even bigger favor Vitter,RESIGN.
blair227 2 years ago 2
single payer is the only system we should support
djhuleatt1010 2 years ago 3
This comment has received too many negative votes show
Socialized medicine doesn't really have a "system" for prescription drugs. The system is one easy step: get a disease where the drugs are covered by the state and hope you don't have to take a medication that's NOT covered under the federal insurance.
whoo689 2 years ago
it sounds good except for the fact that the reason we pay so much is because he and others in congress voted that we can not argue over the absurd prices that the drug companies charge us. this seems like a disguised way to raise prices worldwide.
supply and demand, if you remove the supply of the drugs from the neighboring countries and the drug companies don't increase sales to that country, there will be a shortage which will cause the price to go up.
ambientdiscord 2 years ago
David Vitter = certified dick with ears
How dare this prick suggest we destroy another country's health care system just so we don't have to implement sane health care reform?
SabuPtolemy 2 years ago
If they can destroy another country's health care with this method, it could/would happen to us if we have a similar system.
InugamiPup 2 years ago
so rather than taking the profit out of the CEOs pockets he wants to make the people of the world suffer
What a dick!
marniespeaks 2 years ago
Such is the reason the French invented the guillotine.
Magurufukuru 2 years ago 4
Wasn't this guy caught with a dead hooker? How is he still a Senator?
Richardgwm 2 years ago
Wow, Vitter actually advocates destroying a working prescription drug program of one of America's closest & dearest friends just so that America's own screwed up system won't be "as screwed up" in comparison. How about we fix our own problems, instead of bringing the world down to our own level? And also, "re-importation"? How about let's only import the crap we need once instead of twice? It's cheaper & better on the environment. Even better, why don't we go back to making the crap we need?
dafttool 2 years ago 2
There is no bottom to the insane predations of Republicans upon the world. As we deposed enemies abroad, in world war ii and in following decades, they extended the breadth and depth of their greed to include all nations.
Magurufukuru 2 years ago
I honestly think I lost some brain cells watching this. 3/4ths the way through I realized I was confused & started to doubt everything I know. Is up still up? I don't even know if what I wrote makes any sense
And yes, as you, I started thinking about our intervention misadventures in other countries as if installing the Shah of Iran, overthrowing Saddam, poking around in Central America, etc worked out so well for us. Let's eff up more countries. Aren't we taller if we stand on top of others?
dafttool 2 years ago
We created Saddam in the first place. If it weren't for Reagan giving him so much hardware Iran would've steamrolled them and the other piddling nations in the area and been right up against Israel. Guess why nobody wanted that to happen.
Magurufukuru 2 years ago 3
Oh, it's even more twisted than that (as I'm sure you are already aware). Reagan armed BOTH Iraq AND Iran. Remember Iran-Contra, arms for hostages, we don't negotiate with terrorists but have no problem arming them, Sandinistas killing nuns, the CIA importing cocaine to LA, Just say no? It's crazy. It's diabolical. One would think it was some Hollywood creation if I hadn't of lived through it. And now Oliver North is considered a hero by many. It's so messed up it's hard to imagine.
dafttool 2 years ago 2
I think I'm going to piss into a jar for a few days and then dump it on his grave.
Magurufukuru 2 years ago
Canada should lead a military operation to depose our government.
Magurufukuru 2 years ago
what the ufck was that guy talking about??? corporate mouthpiece handing those righties, and this country a bad deal. that man is not for the people.
ensurePlus1 2 years ago
Eyes. glazing. over.
What the hell is this guy talking bout? Gawd, I feel sorry for Americans these days listening to the Republican reps talking out of their a**holes.
Virtually no one in that room is sure what the speaker is talking about, or whether he's right or wrong. Not even the speaker himself.
No one really wants to do any actual fact checking for themselves. So sad.
therealcharismatron 2 years ago
Cajun politics... what a fucking joke !!! The guy didn't make any sense, yet those retards down in Louisiana still support him.
oldtownkid 2 years ago
20 years ago canada didn't even honour patent protections for drug makers from around the world...we had even cheaper drugs ...this man doesn't even know the colour of the sky
garygoyle 2 years ago 3
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHa haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa HAHAHHA,,,lol this is funny
wilkens411 2 years ago
And so, the nation of Canada slams their heads into the nearest desk.
NordicOten 2 years ago
a) Does he realize that interfering in the way Canada operates (i.e. sabotaging the drug system) can be perceived as an act of aggression?
b) what makes them think Canada won't simply forbid the export of drugs from Canada to the US outright as a result?
c) who the f*** elected this dimwit?
OrbisFerrum 2 years ago 4
Democrats plan to reduce costs: create a national program to compete with insurance companies, improve information technology, etc.
Republican Plan to "reduce" costs: attempt to destroy Canada's health care system
wow
Mustang424 2 years ago 6
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Smartassawhip 2 years ago
Why no one asked about the Hooker?
JerezJulio 2 years ago
Stay the fuck out of Canada you piece of shit retard, I mean... no retard does it.
Its time to build a wall between the US and Canada!
yelobmx 2 years ago 2
vitter's voodoo economics.
united states of corporations
iknewitalready 2 years ago 3
Vitter is sleeping with who these days?
tnichlsn 2 years ago
Did you get that?
toribaltimore 2 years ago
Americans are REALLY, REALLY, stupid. Look how they're all just sitting clueless there while this idiot stands there and makes absolutely no sense.
UGOTDAJACK 2 years ago 5
We're not all idiots, thanks. I for one am thoroughly enjoying watching Vitter nuke his own political career.
theartema 2 years ago 5
Most people in the world don't have good critical thinking skills.
Magurufukuru 2 years ago
I don't think that Vitter knows that most canadians can see this mess on your cable news channels and on youtube. This is taking things to a whole different level. If americans don't want to reform their health care system, that's fine by me, but to exploit your relationship with Canada and mess up ours? Canadians have been mostly silent and respectfull not to enter your debate, but this is getting out of hand. WTF!!!!!
blackacadian 2 years ago 6
There we have it folks, a politician is suggesting the destruction of another country's economic situation to better the broken system in America.
What did I tell you people, what did I tell you? They are selfish and isolationist.
snipzor 2 years ago 4
Your logic is fail. One nut ≠ America.
theartema 2 years ago
I was talking about republicans, jeez, context.
snipzor 2 years ago
Jeez, maybe make it clear you're referring to the members of one political party next time instead of just painting all of America with the same brush. Last I checked the majority of us weren't mind readers.
theartema 2 years ago
He's For re-importation of Canadian Prostitutes so he can have more of a choice! He's tired of only American Prostitutes..he wants Canadian ones too! Republican whores
jjgreek1 2 years ago 2
Should we check to see how much Vitter receives from Big Pharma! I'm sure our allies North of here are happy to hear how a Congressperson wants to destroy their system.
Flamin' A**hole!
sachaput 2 years ago
According to the Center for Responsive Politics, our friend Vitter has $1million in donations from the health care sector. :Db Gee. I wonder why he's got crappy ideas for reform. Maybe because he's afraid of losing his biggest cash cow behind Insurance.
theartema 2 years ago 2
Vitter doesn't know what the fuck he's talking about.
FoShizzle951 2 years ago 6
Idiot.
TheWayISeeIt1982 2 years ago
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CivilRadiant 2 years ago
ftw
thehoaxbuster 2 years ago
I like how the cattle just sit there silently chewing their cud while this douche talks about deliberately collapsing another country's health system so that the US can still have privately run health insurance. Fuck you, America.
AtheistOnTheEdge 2 years ago 3
Totally screw the hell out of another country on the basis that your country would benefit. Wow! Where have I heard that one before?
charlie44444 2 years ago
I was under the impression that US drug prices were high due to government controls that SET the prices that high, preventing competition between drug companies.
In Canada, our drug companies compete openly, lowering prices.
Am i wrong in this?
seanbrockest 2 years ago
US drug prices are high because the government doesn''t allow people to collectively bargain for drug prices, they leave that to insurance companies who can collude with drug companies to take as much money as people have and bankrupt them, making money flow from the hands of the many into the hands of the few.
Magurufukuru 2 years ago 3
Fuck you, Vitter! Canada hopes you get booted in the next election! Get this mindless, selfish demagogue out of there!
Iceberg6606 2 years ago
OMG...Vitter's "idea" is so incredibly DUMB....I'm surprised the public didn't break out in laughter!
EmperorAtahualpa 2 years ago
its called the free market!!!
martinaoe2 2 years ago
No it's called BS!
EmperorAtahualpa 2 years ago
This is why a bipartisan bill won't work. How can one negotiate with such outrageous policies in good faith? One side is here to fix the system (Dems), and one side is here to keep 'the fix' in place (GOP).
I know some libertarian will say, Both sides cave to corporations. No doubt. Obama compromised too much with PhRMA (GOP was upset too, not b/c it hurt consumers, but b/c it might hurt PhRMA)
It boggles the mind that the Dems are blamed for not negotiating with the dining room table.
route99 2 years ago 3
Afluent Americans acting like "Oh my ghod. you are taking away my basic health care". What a crock of shit. These self rightious morons belive they are the chosen ones; how can you have a intelligent debate when guns are invilved?
leavepalinalone 2 years ago
the best part is that the health insurance they believe they have is actively being undermined by the very companies they pay to insure them.
TheSilverpotato 2 years ago
He gets his adult diapers from Cuba.
MidnightChimes 2 years ago 2
Fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuck you, Vitter.
scytheboy 2 years ago
LOL. That makes absolutely no sense. David Vitter should have resigned ages ago for bigoted hypocrisy.
jonr7007 2 years ago 2
WTF
jenisoutofhermind 2 years ago
I call for this man's public execution as a criminal against humanity for proposing this idea.
Magurufukuru 2 years ago 2
We can't just bargain for lower prices with the insurance companies as a country of 300,000,000 people, no, that would be SOCIALISM. Can't have no socialism in this country.
Magurufukuru 2 years ago
why not cancel the fire department aswell.... that is also socialism.
The plan isn't the bargain for lower prices... the add competition
robinvan1983 2 years ago
I cant believe what I just saw.
The Healthcare industry is willing to destroy America and buy as many crooked politicians as it can to keep their profits up.
WE DEFINITELY need to get these assholes under control.
theastrusmega 2 years ago 5
US Senator admits US citizens being ripped off my drug companies.
RobertSeattle 2 years ago 2
and his solution is to fuck up ralth care for the rest of the world and allow insurance to rip them off as well, because then that will some how lower costs.
3star2nr 2 years ago
I left the US in 2000 and moved to Canada, best decision me and my family ever met!
CYLONEJACK 2 years ago 6
Republicans are soo fucking dumb
His point makes no fucking sense
Do you guys not see these people dont have a fuckig clue twhat they are talking about
3star2nr 2 years ago 6
Yes, and I can also see that it doesn't seem to matter. Not to their base, at least.
OlivierdeAthos 2 years ago