My younger brother is in AA, and although he's been sober for well over 20 years he is an absolute ass-hole. He has done things to wreck my life! I truly wish he had drunk himself to death years ago. I would be at peace now. I say, legalize all drugs, and let all these potential Darwin Award Nominees drink and drug themselves to death and get out of the way so that the rest of us can get on with our lives.
As a non alcoholic wiht family members who are I find it disturbing and sad that AA promotes being in their cult as the only means to sobriety and health. I have seen too may god believing sprititual program workers in AA that are just dry drunks with the same selfish mentality they always had while they were drinking demanding that alco's and non alco's alike need to "work their program" in order to be saved. No more cults no more mind control.
When you are unable to stay sober, and you are so self-involved and ego driven that you don't think you need help, you are heading for the bottom. If you reach the point where you accept the fact that you do need help, then you will accept the idea that there is something available that is more powerful than you are.
It's not complicated. It's about getting honest with yourself and accepting help and some direction from people just like you who know the path to sobriety.
I am an atheist. An atheist who has indulged in alcohol to an extreme cannot use AA successfully. It is impossible.
AA for all its "spiritualism" is a judeo-christian system. Higher Power is mentioned twice. God with a capital "G" mentioned 400+ times. It is a brutish, cultish, mind-controlling, theistic program with no room for logical and scientific thinking.
Death or AA. Talk to any oldtimer or go to a meeting. Any logically minded person will be very afraid that this is what society has come up with to combat addiction.
I wonder how many people have killed themselves because of this program that provides no logical alternative to treatment. In fact, I hear of a lot of old-timers who have children who committed suicide because they force-fed this program down their fucking throats.
It was written because alcoholics are powerless and going to meetings, taking the steps, working with the new guys are not going to keep you sober. Why? Because the alcoholic is wihout power. His power must come from.... guess who? God! Yes, God. My question is, how do you know there is no God? Why do you hold this position? Logic, evidence or lack of it Why are you an Atheist In order to state there is no God, one would have to have complete and absolute knowledge of the universe. (omniscience)
I wish I could understand why it is that so many people don't like AA, or NA. These programs are designed to help people live a happy, joyous and free way of life. If you or someone you know hasn't been able to achieve this in the programs, we're sorry. Luckily it's free, so if you don't get anything out of it, it's OK because you didn't put anything into it. These programs have never done any harm to anybody, only people in the program do harm, but they are not the program. Lighten Up.
They have done harm. The fact is more drop out of AA/NA than secular RATIONAL recovery. I have seen AA/NA wreck lives as a whole. They do their best to make sure you do not know about the other alternatives. They are a religious program and no court in the land should be allowed to sentence anyone to it. Like fundy Christians, they have claimed the only path.
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Of course more members drop out of AA than RR. Rational Recovery only has about 10 members, seven of them are drug addicts, and the other three are lonely lost souls. Trimpey is a loser and his book is rubbish.
So everybody who says they didn't benefit from the aa experience, or knows friends and family who were harmed more than helped by aa must be lying, right?
The real reason for a HP is to teach the alcoholic to listen. The alcoholic is ego-centric and listens to no one, so a change in focus is suggested. Listen to people. Listen to nature. Listen to the voice of the human spirit. Listen to the voice of good conscience. Seek direction and guidance through meditation. It's all about willingness - a willingness to listen, change and grow. In AA a "spiritual awakening" is simply a "new attitude".
Where I come from,HP is a brand of brand fruit sauce. People who believe in God should call him by name and be concerned to keep blasphemy out of church basements. I've more time for the Salvation Army. At least they entertain me with brass band music and do soup runs. Hell, I've even got more time for the Jehovah's Witnesses!
John, the newest editions of AA literature still has "God" and "him" all through it. Nothing has changed in the core language since the 30s. It's still the religious sentiments taken from the Oxford Group (another cult).
So what if AA has its roots in basic Christain thought? Is that some sort of an evil thing? We are talking about recovery from alcoholism - a deadly progressive illness that will kill you in time. We are talking about leaving a dark lonely dangerous place, and moving to a bright healthy world of freedom from alcohol. It's a good thing. AA teaches us how to be happy and free WITHOUT alcohol. It's not just about putting the plug in the jug.
So what if it has a basic Christian thought. Why don't you say what you mean? Believe like us or die. Illness - LOL like stabbing your face with a dinner fork is an illness. You-me-we all made decisions to use. Get real, you used because you liked it not because of a disease. For a program of honesty you guys sure have an awful lot of lies.
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The literature has God all through it because it was written in the USA in 1935, a time when just about anyone asked would have recognized "God" as HP. But it's important to note that the text of AA makes it clear that "God" is a God of YOUR understanding and God is HP and you can call it anything you please and understand it in anyway you see fit. Acknowleding a power greater than yourself whether it be your family, the group, whatever. Very simple; a power greater than yourself.
"he literature has God all through it because it was written in the USA in 1935, a time when just about anyone asked would have recognized "God" as HP."
BULL - It was intentionally religious and more importantly it was taken from the Oxford Group. Why did they leave the Oxford group? Because the group was Protestant and they would have never let in those "dirty Catholics" So what you are saying is get God or die?
Our traditions state that "The only requirement for membership is a desire to stop drinking".
As for Higher Power or God that's up to the individual. A tornado is more powerful than a person, use that if you like. Use your family, the group. Your choice. All you really need to aknowledge is that there is a power greater than you out there that can help. Athiests and those who believe in a deity co-exist quite well in AA.
It's hard to believe but the halls of AA as well as barstools everywhere are filled with very intelligent people that worship that intelligence and one of the pitfalls of being smart is that those who are tend to overthink and over analyze every friggin thing.
We worship ourselves because we're so smart and we worship intelligence.
Meanwhile, though, with our noses in the air, eyes skyward, contemplating the universe, we stumble over a simple rock in our path. It's simple...
The AA is a cult who strip people of the little power they have left making them surrender to God. They make them believe alcoholism is bigger than them. Its simply Christians preying on the already vulnerable. Its disgusting.
You presuppose that people need a higher power to rely on. The fact that steppers will tell you that it can be anything makes it obvious that it is a placebo effect.
I am not really certain the "atheists" actually exist. After all, I know of so many things that are 'powers greater than me' - like gravity...I am absolutely powerless over gravity, no matter how defiant I am. Also, check out the origin of the word "agnostic." Quite literally, it is translated to mean "without" [ag] "knowledge" [nostic]. That was tough to admit, especially when I have no concept of what a "God" actually is. Try the electricity analogy in the 12 & 12, step 3.
Everyone can identify 'powers' greater than themselves, although I wouldn't put gravity in that category as I routinely take airplanes and occasionally jump over things, but the 12 steps require that you believe such a power can relieve you of your alcoholism and that you can communicate with said power. Can gravity make you sober? Can you communicate with it?
I wish steppers would stop coming up with non-supernatural higher power examples in order to attract atheists. They don't work.
Ok, the 500 character reply is just not enough. My point in acknowledging gravity is that it is a start toward believing and helps the foundation when we spring into faith. And, no, I have yet to get a verbal reply when I call out to gravity. When was the last time that you saw an airplane a) fly by itself or b) remain in the air for more than a few hours? The airplane too is powerless over gravity. And when was the last time you jumped over something and didn't come back down? Steppers? Please!
I consider myself to be agnostic. AA has worked perfectly for me. I found sobriety AND faith in AA. Not the faith of the ministers or the churches - simply a faith I have learned to rely on. It's simple - just make yourself available and good things will happen.
This is what I love about pseudo intellectuals. When the heat gets a bit too high, you show your true colors and revert to the kindergarten/first grade tactics shown here!
AA critics like to say that AA was born out of Bill Wilson's "religious epiphany". Not true. The truth - AA was born when 2 drunks met, exchanged stories, and realized that they could help themselves best by helping eachother. THAT is the enduring spirit of AA. Did you help another alcoholic today?
Again I'm agnostic and feel right at home in the rooms of AA,NA, and CA. I have a power greater than myself and am clean 5 yrs now after 25yrs of drinking and drugging.Something I don't think I would be without going, and I don't make the same bad decisions I used to, thanks to the people I met thru the program.
After I'd been sober and in AA for a year or so, I realized that a new power had entered my life. It was the power of AA,- present in the rooms - a power greater than myself. I WAS SOBER!! - something I'd never been able to do by myself. I was being transformed by this hidden power, and being restored to sanity. Accordingly, I turned my life and will over to the care of AA.
I am a Humanist and though I agree with your sentiments that AA is basically a relious organization (a Loving, interventionist, miracle producing God), I really don't see how this video clip contributes anything worthwhile to the debate. Found it rather sophmoric. I do attend two AA meetings a week mostly for the social aspect.
I a an atheist, and left aa and got sober on my own because i did not like the religious overtones. I agree with your point. AA is a religious organization, and this video adds nothing intelligent to the debate, only some pretty horrifying images designed to upset people. It actually hursts one's position when they make poor arguements in favor of it.
AA's only reqiurement is a desire to stop drinking. I am not christian, yet I am a friend of Bill W. In the 1930's when the program of AA was founded, Bill W.'s concept of God was in line with the Oxford Groups christian God. But Bill W. knew that he had no right to force his God upon others. The program only requests that you find a power greater than yourself to believe in nothing more.
I am not Christian, yet I feel completely at home in a AA meeting.
hey dood, like maybe i am new and stuff bur like, what gives with that yucky stuff you are putting up there, like, gag me because thatg is so uncool and like spastic, maybe when i get back from this horrid trip with daddy poo i can chill with sum weed and like maybe check this stuff out, coolest
That is a much more succinct way of putting it, yes. My apologies, I just have a visceral reaction to any mention of Mother Theresa that implies that she was anything other than the label you selected.
It is too bad there's no hell for Mother Theresa to burn in. She had a sick obsession with suffering and poverty and did everything in her power to make sure that both continued. She used the ill-gotten wealth she received to open 500 convents in the name of her own order while the hospise she liked to be photographed running remained primitive and dirty. When she fell ill she saught treatment in California.
AAWS actually gave the addicts permission to use the steps and traditions so they would go away, and they've been feeling inferior and talking about us (AA) ever since. simply, they're little children who will never get over the fact of who gave them their life. ALCOHOLICS ANONYMOUS GAVE NA LIFE SO GET OVER 'THE OTHER PROGRAM' PEOPLE NOT BEING ABLE TO RELATE, WHAT A CROCK
be a good atheist, AA works great for alcoholic atheists. glad u r not as pathetic as burgerboy though, keep working your stuff out here and eventually you'll get it
Real nice art. you must be young enough to know you are right and others are wrong. Age has softened me to nearly everything as it will you perhaps. You are a fine artist though.
Didn't the founder of Moderation Management (Audrey Kishline) get arrested for dui/vehicular manslaughter in 2000, seven years after founding Moderation Mgt? Don't you give a damn about the people she killed trying to control her drinking? How many other ppl has Moderation Management killed by making them believe they can control their drinking?
How many times do you need to put up this ridiculous straw-man? Because I don't like AA, therefore I don't care about the people that Kishline killed? That's just plain stupid.
As I recall, Audrey Kishline officially resigned from Moderation Management (MM), her own organization, several months before her DUI/vehicular manslaughter accident. She announced to MM that she was unable to control her drinking and had decided to join AA, which was certainly eating crow considering her previous activism. So, I believe she was in the spiritual custody of AA at the time of the accident and perhaps she was merely fulfilling the AA prophesy of "death, institutions, and jail."
Goodness, dear! We must work all the lovely Steps with the help of a wise and clever Sponsor. Then we will be restored to sanity and we will have a marvellous Spiritual Awakening as the result of the super Steps and live happily ever after. Fairy Tales and Miracles really do come true. They do, they do, they really really do!! But we must be willing to go to any lengths, dear.
Anyone I've met who's been a "former" alcoholic coverted to religion has seemed to me like they were still sick. Many of them are religious and are as you say, narrow minded. I think there should be an alternative approach for atheists. I wouldn't be able to stay in the same room w/their people.
Sorry mate, the word is "drinking". This is the third tradition of AA. This tridition is detailed in the book[Tweleve Steps and Twelve Traditions] published around 1955.
Hello :D AA is for Atheists. I made a little video response, I think it will show soon. Tell me what you think about it, I definitely assure you that thousands upon thousands of Atheists are active members of AA.
AA is a dangerous cult!!
karmalevel 7 months ago 5
My younger brother is in AA, and although he's been sober for well over 20 years he is an absolute ass-hole. He has done things to wreck my life! I truly wish he had drunk himself to death years ago. I would be at peace now. I say, legalize all drugs, and let all these potential Darwin Award Nominees drink and drug themselves to death and get out of the way so that the rest of us can get on with our lives.
BigFatHeretic 7 months ago 2
@BigFatHeretic people in AA are some of the worst humans on the planet
karmalevel 7 months ago 5
My name is ~~~~. I am a chataholic. I am addicted to internet forums and my life is unmanagable.
MrNeilSuper 7 months ago
AA..the best pick up joint in history.......need a quick lay??? try AA
euroman32589 8 months ago
As a non alcoholic wiht family members who are I find it disturbing and sad that AA promotes being in their cult as the only means to sobriety and health. I have seen too may god believing sprititual program workers in AA that are just dry drunks with the same selfish mentality they always had while they were drinking demanding that alco's and non alco's alike need to "work their program" in order to be saved. No more cults no more mind control.
beautifulmind546 10 months ago
Top video. Great music and I like the flow of images, even if I don't fully understand it.
tommurphy67 1 year ago
4 years of art theory and I can't comprehend what your trying to say here,
avd420 1 year ago
@avd420 Only four years, well, I wouldn't expect you to understand. Check back after a few more years of study.
Godlesspanther 1 year ago 3
Thanks for the great video. Will be doing some more research
kimbakicks 1 year ago
When you are unable to stay sober, and you are so self-involved and ego driven that you don't think you need help, you are heading for the bottom. If you reach the point where you accept the fact that you do need help, then you will accept the idea that there is something available that is more powerful than you are.
It's not complicated. It's about getting honest with yourself and accepting help and some direction from people just like you who know the path to sobriety.
quickcap 2 years ago
Answer to the question. No.
I am an atheist. An atheist who has indulged in alcohol to an extreme cannot use AA successfully. It is impossible.
AA for all its "spiritualism" is a judeo-christian system. Higher Power is mentioned twice. God with a capital "G" mentioned 400+ times. It is a brutish, cultish, mind-controlling, theistic program with no room for logical and scientific thinking.
CigarFriendCali 2 years ago
Death or AA. Talk to any oldtimer or go to a meeting. Any logically minded person will be very afraid that this is what society has come up with to combat addiction.
I wonder how many people have killed themselves because of this program that provides no logical alternative to treatment. In fact, I hear of a lot of old-timers who have children who committed suicide because they force-fed this program down their fucking throats.
CigarFriendCali 2 years ago
I dont get the connections your making ...I am sure there has to be something...ot this is just dumb...have a good day.
TheJuniornelson 2 years ago
It was written because alcoholics are powerless and going to meetings, taking the steps, working with the new guys are not going to keep you sober. Why? Because the alcoholic is wihout power. His power must come from.... guess who? God! Yes, God. My question is, how do you know there is no God? Why do you hold this position? Logic, evidence or lack of it Why are you an Atheist In order to state there is no God, one would have to have complete and absolute knowledge of the universe. (omniscience)
miket1m 2 years ago
Who gives a dam wether you believe in god or \
not I DON't give a fuck what you believe
shit head.
Brough1111 3 years ago
I wish I could understand why it is that so many people don't like AA, or NA. These programs are designed to help people live a happy, joyous and free way of life. If you or someone you know hasn't been able to achieve this in the programs, we're sorry. Luckily it's free, so if you don't get anything out of it, it's OK because you didn't put anything into it. These programs have never done any harm to anybody, only people in the program do harm, but they are not the program. Lighten Up.
bingnasty 3 years ago
They have done harm. The fact is more drop out of AA/NA than secular RATIONAL recovery. I have seen AA/NA wreck lives as a whole. They do their best to make sure you do not know about the other alternatives. They are a religious program and no court in the land should be allowed to sentence anyone to it. Like fundy Christians, they have claimed the only path.
isegoria1 3 years ago 3
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Of course more members drop out of AA than RR. Rational Recovery only has about 10 members, seven of them are drug addicts, and the other three are lonely lost souls. Trimpey is a loser and his book is rubbish.
S0RDIDTRUTH 3 years ago
Did I say Trimpley? No I did not, thanks for your assumptions.
isegoria1 3 years ago 2
Because their not ready to surrender and stop drinking and drugging, right?
miket1m 2 years ago
So everybody who says they didn't benefit from the aa experience, or knows friends and family who were harmed more than helped by aa must be lying, right?
tobytwirrll 2 years ago
Just wanted folks to know; I started an online voice enabled SOS meeting.
It's a safe, secular place for those looking for sobriety or abstinence support without all of the AA religion and insanity.
Email me through youtube for the details if your interested :)
Jrunri 3 years ago 2
The real reason for a HP is to teach the alcoholic to listen. The alcoholic is ego-centric and listens to no one, so a change in focus is suggested. Listen to people. Listen to nature. Listen to the voice of the human spirit. Listen to the voice of good conscience. Seek direction and guidance through meditation. It's all about willingness - a willingness to listen, change and grow. In AA a "spiritual awakening" is simply a "new attitude".
tumescent345 3 years ago
Bull - splintering the ideals does not make you right. I think AA/NA splinters when called to task much faster than fundamental Christians.
isegoria1 3 years ago 5
Duh!
tumescent345 3 years ago
Where I come from,HP is a brand of brand fruit sauce. People who believe in God should call him by name and be concerned to keep blasphemy out of church basements. I've more time for the Salvation Army. At least they entertain me with brass band music and do soup runs. Hell, I've even got more time for the Jehovah's Witnesses!
tobytwirrll 2 years ago 2
@tumescent345 The alcoholic is egocentric and listens to no one. Pretty big statement Jackass. You got things wrong right of the bat.
wrikz1 11 months ago
John, the newest editions of AA literature still has "God" and "him" all through it. Nothing has changed in the core language since the 30s. It's still the religious sentiments taken from the Oxford Group (another cult).
Jrunri 3 years ago
So what if AA has its roots in basic Christain thought? Is that some sort of an evil thing? We are talking about recovery from alcoholism - a deadly progressive illness that will kill you in time. We are talking about leaving a dark lonely dangerous place, and moving to a bright healthy world of freedom from alcohol. It's a good thing. AA teaches us how to be happy and free WITHOUT alcohol. It's not just about putting the plug in the jug.
tumescent345 3 years ago
So what if it has a basic Christian thought. Why don't you say what you mean? Believe like us or die. Illness - LOL like stabbing your face with a dinner fork is an illness. You-me-we all made decisions to use. Get real, you used because you liked it not because of a disease. For a program of honesty you guys sure have an awful lot of lies.
isegoria1 3 years ago 5
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The literature has God all through it because it was written in the USA in 1935, a time when just about anyone asked would have recognized "God" as HP. But it's important to note that the text of AA makes it clear that "God" is a God of YOUR understanding and God is HP and you can call it anything you please and understand it in anyway you see fit. Acknowleding a power greater than yourself whether it be your family, the group, whatever. Very simple; a power greater than yourself.
johnwalterm 3 years ago
"he literature has God all through it because it was written in the USA in 1935, a time when just about anyone asked would have recognized "God" as HP."
BULL - It was intentionally religious and more importantly it was taken from the Oxford Group. Why did they leave the Oxford group? Because the group was Protestant and they would have never let in those "dirty Catholics" So what you are saying is get God or die?
isegoria1 3 years ago 2
I can't believe I just used the word "they" instead of "us" or "we"!!
Yes, I'm getting free!!!!
Jrunri 3 years ago
Than why does all the literature have "God" all through it?
Why can't AA at least just replace the word "God" for "Higher Power"?
They use the word "Higher Power" at first but then they use "God" for all of the rest of the literature.
Jrunri 3 years ago
The answer is YES.
Athiests can be and are members of AA.
Our traditions state that "The only requirement for membership is a desire to stop drinking".
As for Higher Power or God that's up to the individual. A tornado is more powerful than a person, use that if you like. Use your family, the group. Your choice. All you really need to aknowledge is that there is a power greater than you out there that can help. Athiests and those who believe in a deity co-exist quite well in AA.
johnwalterm 3 years ago
It's hard to believe but the halls of AA as well as barstools everywhere are filled with very intelligent people that worship that intelligence and one of the pitfalls of being smart is that those who are tend to overthink and over analyze every friggin thing.
We worship ourselves because we're so smart and we worship intelligence.
Meanwhile, though, with our noses in the air, eyes skyward, contemplating the universe, we stumble over a simple rock in our path. It's simple...
johnwalterm 3 years ago
This is juvenile, but amusing.
jwalsh67 3 years ago
The AA is a cult who strip people of the little power they have left making them surrender to God. They make them believe alcoholism is bigger than them. Its simply Christians preying on the already vulnerable. Its disgusting.
Slider84 3 years ago
Q: What do you use as a higher power if it is not God?
A: your Alcoholism itself?
machineteam 3 years ago
You presuppose that people need a higher power to rely on. The fact that steppers will tell you that it can be anything makes it obvious that it is a placebo effect.
telethon123 3 years ago
Telethon
"You sit on the sidelines and throw stones at a treatment technique and SPIRITUAL PATH that you were not suited to, yet others were"
Hammersley - 2007
quickcap 4 years ago
Telethon
"You sit on the sidelines and throw stones at a treatment technique and SPIRITUAL PATH that you were not suited to, yet others were"
Hammersley - 2007
quickcap 4 years ago
I am not really certain the "atheists" actually exist. After all, I know of so many things that are 'powers greater than me' - like gravity...I am absolutely powerless over gravity, no matter how defiant I am. Also, check out the origin of the word "agnostic." Quite literally, it is translated to mean "without" [ag] "knowledge" [nostic]. That was tough to admit, especially when I have no concept of what a "God" actually is. Try the electricity analogy in the 12 & 12, step 3.
Billfeesh 4 years ago
Everyone can identify 'powers' greater than themselves, although I wouldn't put gravity in that category as I routinely take airplanes and occasionally jump over things, but the 12 steps require that you believe such a power can relieve you of your alcoholism and that you can communicate with said power. Can gravity make you sober? Can you communicate with it?
I wish steppers would stop coming up with non-supernatural higher power examples in order to attract atheists. They don't work.
telethon123 4 years ago
Ok, the 500 character reply is just not enough. My point in acknowledging gravity is that it is a start toward believing and helps the foundation when we spring into faith. And, no, I have yet to get a verbal reply when I call out to gravity. When was the last time that you saw an airplane a) fly by itself or b) remain in the air for more than a few hours? The airplane too is powerless over gravity. And when was the last time you jumped over something and didn't come back down? Steppers? Please!
Billfeesh 4 years ago
I consider myself to be agnostic. AA has worked perfectly for me. I found sobriety AND faith in AA. Not the faith of the ministers or the churches - simply a faith I have learned to rely on. It's simple - just make yourself available and good things will happen.
quickcap 4 years ago
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An Atheist can not be a member of society!!
bushloverdickface 4 years ago
So, your fascism, that is, nazism, seems to be the essence of you being. Too bad, asshole.
Godlesspanther 4 years ago 3
Atheist alcoholics already have a power greater than themselves, its called alcohol.
I started in AA as an atheist but it wasn't that important in the end.
If AA isn't for you, find something that is because you sound like a good guy who needs to get straight.
jonesgerard 4 years ago
Blow it out your ass, motherfucker.
Godlesspanther 4 years ago 4
This is what I love about pseudo intellectuals. When the heat gets a bit too high, you show your true colors and revert to the kindergarten/first grade tactics shown here!
Billfeesh 4 years ago
AA critics like to say that AA was born out of Bill Wilson's "religious epiphany". Not true. The truth - AA was born when 2 drunks met, exchanged stories, and realized that they could help themselves best by helping eachother. THAT is the enduring spirit of AA. Did you help another alcoholic today?
quickcap 4 years ago
Again I'm agnostic and feel right at home in the rooms of AA,NA, and CA. I have a power greater than myself and am clean 5 yrs now after 25yrs of drinking and drugging.Something I don't think I would be without going, and I don't make the same bad decisions I used to, thanks to the people I met thru the program.
schwacked1 4 years ago
What do you use as a higher power if it is not God?
fucummings 4 years ago
After I'd been sober and in AA for a year or so, I realized that a new power had entered my life. It was the power of AA,- present in the rooms - a power greater than myself. I WAS SOBER!! - something I'd never been able to do by myself. I was being transformed by this hidden power, and being restored to sanity. Accordingly, I turned my life and will over to the care of AA.
quickcap 4 years ago
I am a Humanist and though I agree with your sentiments that AA is basically a relious organization (a Loving, interventionist, miracle producing God), I really don't see how this video clip contributes anything worthwhile to the debate. Found it rather sophmoric. I do attend two AA meetings a week mostly for the social aspect.
gagjam 4 years ago
I a an atheist, and left aa and got sober on my own because i did not like the religious overtones. I agree with your point. AA is a religious organization, and this video adds nothing intelligent to the debate, only some pretty horrifying images designed to upset people. It actually hursts one's position when they make poor arguements in favor of it.
fucummings 4 years ago
Dont feed the angry rabbit for goodness sake!!!
CharlesTrish 4 years ago
EAT CHIT ATHESIST
superhonkygringo 4 years ago
AA's only reqiurement is a desire to stop drinking. I am not christian, yet I am a friend of Bill W. In the 1930's when the program of AA was founded, Bill W.'s concept of God was in line with the Oxford Groups christian God. But Bill W. knew that he had no right to force his God upon others. The program only requests that you find a power greater than yourself to believe in nothing more.
I am not Christian, yet I feel completely at home in a AA meeting.
biggmikeorama 4 years ago
hey dood, like maybe i am new and stuff bur like, what gives with that yucky stuff you are putting up there, like, gag me because thatg is so uncool and like spastic, maybe when i get back from this horrid trip with daddy poo i can chill with sum weed and like maybe check this stuff out, coolest
cheesegirlburgers 4 years ago
That is a much more succinct way of putting it, yes. My apologies, I just have a visceral reaction to any mention of Mother Theresa that implies that she was anything other than the label you selected.
telethon123 4 years ago
It is too bad there's no hell for Mother Theresa to burn in. She had a sick obsession with suffering and poverty and did everything in her power to make sure that both continued. She used the ill-gotten wealth she received to open 500 convents in the name of her own order while the hospise she liked to be photographed running remained primitive and dirty. When she fell ill she saught treatment in California.
telethon123 4 years ago
AAWS actually gave the addicts permission to use the steps and traditions so they would go away, and they've been feeling inferior and talking about us (AA) ever since. simply, they're little children who will never get over the fact of who gave them their life. ALCOHOLICS ANONYMOUS GAVE NA LIFE SO GET OVER 'THE OTHER PROGRAM' PEOPLE NOT BEING ABLE TO RELATE, WHAT A CROCK
AAispurelove 4 years ago
AA is pure love, we hope you find the rooms and get serenity
AAispurelove 4 years ago
can you please secretly videotape a meeting and let us write the meeting and see how paranoid the members really get....hahahahahaha
gayBillWilson 4 years ago
be a good atheist, AA works great for alcoholic atheists. glad u r not as pathetic as burgerboy though, keep working your stuff out here and eventually you'll get it
getGodnow 4 years ago
Real nice art. you must be young enough to know you are right and others are wrong. Age has softened me to nearly everything as it will you perhaps. You are a fine artist though.
JerzyWoolluff 4 years ago
ANNE AND LOIS WERE LOVERS
rhamersley 4 years ago
I think somebody wants a drink and wants some other people to join him at the bar. lol
bloodymonkeywanker 4 years ago
j'i le gout de vomir
MonsieurPeterk 4 years ago
Didn't the founder of Moderation Management (Audrey Kishline) get arrested for dui/vehicular manslaughter in 2000, seven years after founding Moderation Mgt? Don't you give a damn about the people she killed trying to control her drinking? How many other ppl has Moderation Management killed by making them believe they can control their drinking?
ascheylus 4 years ago
How many times do you need to put up this ridiculous straw-man? Because I don't like AA, therefore I don't care about the people that Kishline killed? That's just plain stupid.
Godlesspanther 4 years ago
As I recall, Audrey Kishline officially resigned from Moderation Management (MM), her own organization, several months before her DUI/vehicular manslaughter accident. She announced to MM that she was unable to control her drinking and had decided to join AA, which was certainly eating crow considering her previous activism. So, I believe she was in the spiritual custody of AA at the time of the accident and perhaps she was merely fulfilling the AA prophesy of "death, institutions, and jail."
AnwarDeBozak 4 years ago
I see the AA really helped her!
fucummings 4 years ago
you sure put alot of energy in that. hope you feel better.
velocityj 4 years ago
Is this one supposed to mean something? I don't get it.
Godlesspanther 4 years ago
Who did all of this that you showed on your video? Man or God?
Seccus 4 years ago
Is this supposed to mean something?
Godlesspanther 4 years ago
I have friends in AA who are atheists and it works for them so I guess it is for atheists too. Hmm Nuff said.
SoberParty 4 years ago
Goodness, dear! We must work all the lovely Steps with the help of a wise and clever Sponsor. Then we will be restored to sanity and we will have a marvellous Spiritual Awakening as the result of the super Steps and live happily ever after. Fairy Tales and Miracles really do come true. They do, they do, they really really do!! But we must be willing to go to any lengths, dear.
LadyGenevieveStG 5 years ago
Anyone I've met who's been a "former" alcoholic coverted to religion has seemed to me like they were still sick. Many of them are religious and are as you say, narrow minded. I think there should be an alternative approach for atheists. I wouldn't be able to stay in the same room w/their people.
xild 5 years ago
The only requirement for membership is a desire to stop dringing. You do not even have to be sober nevermind have a god.
middlesex1959 5 years ago
Sorry mate, the word is "drinking". This is the third tradition of AA. This tridition is detailed in the book[Tweleve Steps and Twelve Traditions] published around 1955.
middlesex1959 5 years ago
Hello :D AA is for Atheists. I made a little video response, I think it will show soon. Tell me what you think about it, I definitely assure you that thousands upon thousands of Atheists are active members of AA.
Take care
Jude
Judelicious1971 5 years ago
VERY well done. Favorited.
theBigTakeover 5 years ago