It's all from the book mentioned above, not to mention that Gray repeatedly bragged about his role in the crime and was caught on videotape saying he "forced those girls to like it".
I'm from st. louis and I've been studying this case for about 5 years. For those who do not know Chain of Rocks Bridge is 90 ft tall, if a body were to fall from the bridge it would go 80 mph, into the MISSISSIPPI RIVER. Now adding all this up plus the fact that it was april 4(so the river was probably freezing and moving in a strong current). Can you really trust Tom Cummins?
Have you read the book "A Rip in Heaven" by Jeanine Cummins? I am interested in your opinion on this book. I know it was written by Tom Cummins' sister, but I believe that it makes a pretty good case that Reggie is guilty. (It also doesn't paint the St. Louis PD in a very good light either, by the way)
thanks to you is that we have people like O.J Simpson living a full life after committing a crime, because you don't want real FACTS you want media coverage into believing you are doing a selfless act for a fellow citizen but in fact you are full of s*****
i respect your "OPINON" cause thats all it is my dude..... however, reggie will walk out a free man and he got some state money come'n his way 4 the way they set them up and the whole 9 yards..... i've been follow'n this case since 1991 when it happened. i was there when the conviction come out from the back and i'm still here now!!!!! the facts are the facts, i think you think cause they where some perly pail face white girls these men are guilty. you need the help my dude check yaself!!!!!!!!
You need to get your facts straight. First of all, Daniel Winfrey did 15 years on this case before he was paroled. Secondly, Tom Cummings never stated that he made a sexual advance toward his cousin. That was the police theory, but he never stated that this was what happened. Third, Tom Cummings suffered a broken pelvis from being pushed into the river. He was covered with mud from being in the river.
You need to get your facts straight. First of all, Daniel Winfrey did 15 years on this case before he was paroled. Secondly, Tom Cummings never stated that he made a sexual advance toward his cousin. That was the police theory, but he never stated that this was what happened. Third, Tom Cummings suffered a broken pelvis from being pushed into the river. He was covered with mud from being in the river.
@CFirm2002 ok then... when it all hits the fan, black folks die and white people get 2 live... whatever state do r don't have death row, still a white man has a much better chance to live his life in prison... im not raceist toward white people, but i can see when it is toward blacks... where u anywhere around when this happened, and how close r u 2 any of their families???
While I agree with you that blacks don't get equal treatment in the justice system, I would suggest that you check your facts before posting. You made error after error in your video and it hurts your case.
@CFirm2002 i can only report on what is placed in front of me... if it is some things that are not true, im sorry for that. but to my knowledge, the only thing i said wrong was the 1 guy get'n probation. he did plea out to 15 years..... the true fact of the matter is, them guy's aint kill them girls......
@NoCainTv - If they didn't kill Julie and Robin, why did Daniel Winfrey send a letter to Tom Cummins apologizing for his role in the crime? Not to mention that at the time of their arrests, Marlin Gray had Cummins' watch in his posession, Clemons had Cummins' firefighter's badge, and Antonio Richardson's fingerprint was found on Cummins' driver's license...seems like your coverage has been extremely one-sided and eschews anything that doesn't support your POV.
@WhatsAYak if we are talking about the Justice system, there needs to be EVIDENCE! Which there is not enough to charge anyone with a rape or murder. They have no evidence to trace any of the man to a rape/murder scene, especially since the scene wasn't there to begin with. The things you listed still does not prove a rape or murder happen. If you do not mind could you please post legitimate sources.
@athyrhanifa - Again, if they didn't do it, why were they found to be in posession of Tom Cummins' personal effects? And let us not forget Daniel Winfrey's aforementioned apology letter to Cummins, as well as the fact that Marlin Gray continually changed his story every time he told it.
@WhatsAYak again what does that have to do with the two females who were murder? and may you please give sources if not this is just a pointless debate.
Finally, the reason Jeffrey Dahmer did not receive the death penalty was because his crimes occurred in the state of Wisconsin, which does not have the death penalty. Charles Manson was given the death penalty by California, but when the US Supreme Court overturned the death penalty in 1972 his sentence was commuted to life in prison. Get your facts staight before you make bogus claims of racism. You don't know what you are talking about and you make all progressives look bad.
@NoCainTv You sound extremely ignorant. I am black as well and am disgusted by your comment "perly pail face white girls." Two girls died. Two lives were taken. Regardless of whether those lives were black or white. Have some respect for these girls and their familes. Had someone made a comment about the colour of Reggie's skin, I am sure you would have been upset. Try not to be so callous when talking about the victims.
Who are you to say anything about the murders of those two innocent girls...they were both pushed off...how dare you blame Tom for the murders he admired both of them..you make me sick
well, if you fully heard what i was say'n then you would have picked up on "I HAVE BEEN FOLLOWING THIS CASE SINCE 91" i've done that 4 a reason, not just 4 fun my dude..... and tom said 2 police that he was try'n 2 screw the girl (sounded like rape) and she fell of the bridge. then her sister then jumped 2 help her.
everything i said in this is facts, so if you want 2 get mad about the facts then go right ahead be my guest.
obviously you have been listening to what you want to hear, your theory of the FACTS is ridiculous, i don't even know how you show your face in public, there is a very good reason as to why you are NOT a detective, police officer or journalist, because you only say what you want to say and not the reality of the situation, thank god for people like you because it lets us know what good people are like and the kind of morons (aka YOU) that walk this planet.
@NoCainTv - No, everything you've said is just what you want to believe...Tom Cummins NEVER tried anything w/Robin or Julie, which was just a theory cooked up by the overzealous cops who grilled him. Also, why did the now-deceased Marlin Gray tell his buddies that he "felt like hurting somebody" before the attack? Not to mention how he repeatedly bragged to friends about his role in the crime for days afterwards, and the fact that Cummins' watch was found in his posession.
It's all from the book mentioned above, not to mention that Gray repeatedly bragged about his role in the crime and was caught on videotape saying he "forced those girls to like it".
WhatsAYak 5 months ago
People please research this case for yourself!
athyrhanifa 5 months ago
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@athyrhanifa - I did, and all evidence clearly points to the four of them, whether you want to believe it or not.
WhatsAYak 5 months ago
I'm from st. louis and I've been studying this case for about 5 years. For those who do not know Chain of Rocks Bridge is 90 ft tall, if a body were to fall from the bridge it would go 80 mph, into the MISSISSIPPI RIVER. Now adding all this up plus the fact that it was april 4(so the river was probably freezing and moving in a strong current). Can you really trust Tom Cummins?
athyrhanifa 5 months ago
@athyrhanifa - Cummins didn't fall 90 feet, he only fell about 50...and it's not unheard of for someone to successfully fight off a strong current.
WhatsAYak 5 months ago
There are updates on Reggie's case for those that are interested, Google "Free Reggie Clemons Now."
freereggieclemonsnow 6 months ago
Have you read the book "A Rip in Heaven" by Jeanine Cummins? I am interested in your opinion on this book. I know it was written by Tom Cummins' sister, but I believe that it makes a pretty good case that Reggie is guilty. (It also doesn't paint the St. Louis PD in a very good light either, by the way)
CFirm2002 1 year ago 5
You need to look past the color of individuals and simply look at their character...that B the truth...
toobuena 1 year ago
thanks to you is that we have people like O.J Simpson living a full life after committing a crime, because you don't want real FACTS you want media coverage into believing you are doing a selfless act for a fellow citizen but in fact you are full of s*****
johanna710 2 years ago
i respect your "OPINON" cause thats all it is my dude..... however, reggie will walk out a free man and he got some state money come'n his way 4 the way they set them up and the whole 9 yards..... i've been follow'n this case since 1991 when it happened. i was there when the conviction come out from the back and i'm still here now!!!!! the facts are the facts, i think you think cause they where some perly pail face white girls these men are guilty. you need the help my dude check yaself!!!!!!!!
NoCainTv 2 years ago
@NoCainTv
You need to get your facts straight. First of all, Daniel Winfrey did 15 years on this case before he was paroled. Secondly, Tom Cummings never stated that he made a sexual advance toward his cousin. That was the police theory, but he never stated that this was what happened. Third, Tom Cummings suffered a broken pelvis from being pushed into the river. He was covered with mud from being in the river.
CFirm2002 1 year ago
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@NoCainTv
You need to get your facts straight. First of all, Daniel Winfrey did 15 years on this case before he was paroled. Secondly, Tom Cummings never stated that he made a sexual advance toward his cousin. That was the police theory, but he never stated that this was what happened. Third, Tom Cummings suffered a broken pelvis from being pushed into the river. He was covered with mud from being in the river.
CFirm2002 1 year ago
@CFirm2002 ok then... when it all hits the fan, black folks die and white people get 2 live... whatever state do r don't have death row, still a white man has a much better chance to live his life in prison... im not raceist toward white people, but i can see when it is toward blacks... where u anywhere around when this happened, and how close r u 2 any of their families???
NoCainTv 1 year ago
While I agree with you that blacks don't get equal treatment in the justice system, I would suggest that you check your facts before posting. You made error after error in your video and it hurts your case.
CFirm2002 1 year ago
@CFirm2002 i can only report on what is placed in front of me... if it is some things that are not true, im sorry for that. but to my knowledge, the only thing i said wrong was the 1 guy get'n probation. he did plea out to 15 years..... the true fact of the matter is, them guy's aint kill them girls......
NoCainTv 1 year ago
@NoCainTv - If they didn't kill Julie and Robin, why did Daniel Winfrey send a letter to Tom Cummins apologizing for his role in the crime? Not to mention that at the time of their arrests, Marlin Gray had Cummins' watch in his posession, Clemons had Cummins' firefighter's badge, and Antonio Richardson's fingerprint was found on Cummins' driver's license...seems like your coverage has been extremely one-sided and eschews anything that doesn't support your POV.
WhatsAYak 9 months ago
@WhatsAYak if we are talking about the Justice system, there needs to be EVIDENCE! Which there is not enough to charge anyone with a rape or murder. They have no evidence to trace any of the man to a rape/murder scene, especially since the scene wasn't there to begin with. The things you listed still does not prove a rape or murder happen. If you do not mind could you please post legitimate sources.
athyrhanifa 5 months ago
@athyrhanifa - Again, if they didn't do it, why were they found to be in posession of Tom Cummins' personal effects? And let us not forget Daniel Winfrey's aforementioned apology letter to Cummins, as well as the fact that Marlin Gray continually changed his story every time he told it.
WhatsAYak 5 months ago
@WhatsAYak again what does that have to do with the two females who were murder? and may you please give sources if not this is just a pointless debate.
athyrhanifa 5 months ago
Finally, the reason Jeffrey Dahmer did not receive the death penalty was because his crimes occurred in the state of Wisconsin, which does not have the death penalty. Charles Manson was given the death penalty by California, but when the US Supreme Court overturned the death penalty in 1972 his sentence was commuted to life in prison. Get your facts staight before you make bogus claims of racism. You don't know what you are talking about and you make all progressives look bad.
CFirm2002 1 year ago
@NoCainTv You sound extremely ignorant. I am black as well and am disgusted by your comment "perly pail face white girls." Two girls died. Two lives were taken. Regardless of whether those lives were black or white. Have some respect for these girls and their familes. Had someone made a comment about the colour of Reggie's skin, I am sure you would have been upset. Try not to be so callous when talking about the victims.
MsClara2205 1 year ago 7
Who are you to say anything about the murders of those two innocent girls...they were both pushed off...how dare you blame Tom for the murders he admired both of them..you make me sick
speraltax86 2 years ago
well, if you fully heard what i was say'n then you would have picked up on "I HAVE BEEN FOLLOWING THIS CASE SINCE 91" i've done that 4 a reason, not just 4 fun my dude..... and tom said 2 police that he was try'n 2 screw the girl (sounded like rape) and she fell of the bridge. then her sister then jumped 2 help her.
everything i said in this is facts, so if you want 2 get mad about the facts then go right ahead be my guest.
NoCainTv 2 years ago
obviously you have been listening to what you want to hear, your theory of the FACTS is ridiculous, i don't even know how you show your face in public, there is a very good reason as to why you are NOT a detective, police officer or journalist, because you only say what you want to say and not the reality of the situation, thank god for people like you because it lets us know what good people are like and the kind of morons (aka YOU) that walk this planet.
johanna710 2 years ago
@NoCainTv - No, everything you've said is just what you want to believe...Tom Cummins NEVER tried anything w/Robin or Julie, which was just a theory cooked up by the overzealous cops who grilled him. Also, why did the now-deceased Marlin Gray tell his buddies that he "felt like hurting somebody" before the attack? Not to mention how he repeatedly bragged to friends about his role in the crime for days afterwards, and the fact that Cummins' watch was found in his posession.
WhatsAYak 9 months ago