@xHASSUNAx the lebanese churches use aramaic, which is still spoken,but phoenician is long dead, the last speakers in lebanon lived arround 300 ad,while the phoenician of carthage called punic survived till 800 ad & even longer till 1100 ad in libya,attested by the arab geographer al-Bakri who describes people speaking a language which was not Berber,Latin or Coptic in the city of Sirte in Libya,which already has a lot of phoenicio-punic inscription & its inhabitants spoke punic as mother tongue
@TheSexymonkey567 that isbecause it is in late punic, almost all ayns and ha dissapeared or were only very week pronounced, the canaanite language was in contact with many languages and lost many sounds, and it spoken at least 1900 bc and this was the dielect of the time 100 bc -100 ad and there were a great roman influence on the pronouncaiton bcs the romans occupied the punic speaking areas. :) Thank you that you are interested and asked this.
@ghettoksa thank you ghettoksa,there are still older versions of phoenician or proto-canaanite which would still sound much much closer,maybe I will doing some ancient canaanite videos,there is much stuff to show you.The most people never thought never were informed that the languages of the old middle eastern were similar to arabic,because of the ancient script, but this is a illusion,the ancient arabic was written with an complete different script than modern arabic one might think its exotic.
@designedsayer they be,leived that their soul rests, that their soul flies up in th esky like a phoenix and becam ashes, and then they disappear. There was no real afterlife for them, but they beleived that the soul needs food and presents before it can go to heaven, to fly to the sky and became ash, how i said like a phoenix, befor the soul flies up, it enters the place of moloch(molk, or molik in phoenician-punic-canaanite) molok burns the soul and transforms it into a phoenix.
yes i agree, at least some of our ancestors must be canaanite, and so is possibly correct for palestinian arabs (especially those with ancestors from Syria and Lebanon). Regarding palestinian arabs - while some of them in Judea and Samaria indeed are converts from Jews and Samaritans, those are not the majority of this mixed population. The main body of "palestinians" are immigrants from the last 179 years, beginning with arab-Egyptian settlement of the coast in 1831.
since we are all mixed we can determeind who is fully canaanite or jew or arab, but many palestinians just look like lebanese too me, and have simialr words in their arabic dialect, no there are many palestinian who are canaanite decendend but mixeed with all possibly invadrss but they carry the canaanite gene too, lebanese are also very mixed after thoasands of years,i am pretty sure that the coastal palestinians are fully canaanites, althought through tthe contact with thte sea they are mixed.
coastal arabs of Israel are mostly dark yemenese or pale bosniaks. i live on Israeli coast - so that is what i see. Israeli coast was empty in 18th century except some jews and christians in Ghaza and Jaffa, only Acca had also some muslim population, with an influx of muslim Bosniacs and Albanians in late 18th century and through 19th century (Ahmed Jazzar was Albanian, if you know who he is). T
Muslim arabs came to the coast In 1831 - Ibrahim Pasha brought thousands of Egyptians.
Yeah exactly, Palestinians are a group of immigrants from egypt, syria, albania, turkey, bosnia, saudi arabia, iraq, iran, greece, ghana, nigeria, denmark, mongolia and Indonesia, they all immigrated in 1850 AD, unluckily for the jews, the real natives of the land, who are to begin returning from their 2000 years-vacation in poland and russia.
Poor jews, they are being robbed of their land by others
That's a poor propoganda that is proven wrong. Genetic testing can only reveal the truth and well genetic testing has proved that around 80 percent of palestinians are more related to the purest jewish stock than most modern jews which make since since palestinians DO LOOK SEMETIC and do resemble their semetic syrian and lebanese neibours in the levant unlike modern "white jews" who are obviously pure whites or mixed whites from europe.
Clear mixed populations are in Samaria and Judea - local "arabs" look in many cases very similar to us phenotypically (jews). Indeed many family names of theirs are Samaritan and Hebrew. Thrugh jews and samaritans West Bank arabs (Judea and Samaria) are in many cases descendants also of Cnaanites in some way - very possible. It was also proved genetically by Prof. Oppenheim, Prof. Benhar and also other researches - jews are very close to West Bank palestinians by DNA.
@Greyshark09 (qoph sound)art (het letter sound)adasht
het letter sound is like a strong "H" like when you breath hard.
The qoph letter sound is like a hard "k" spoken with your throat, it is like a click, this sound dissappeared in the end and became "K", but i doubt that the sound dissappeard completely because the sound is still spoken in modern maltes and in tunisian which have some punic pronounciation in their arabic.
yeah but most modern cnaanites (lebanese) are either Christian or Muslim - all practice Torah in some way. I suppose you are an atheist then or something like this?
please add the south west syrianns,tunisians maltese,palestinians and some jews if they descend from the middle east they mostly decends from canaanite converts,not from hebrews,as for the palestinian most of them are jewish converts who are mostly just canaanite converts,not hebrew ones,but some east palestinians are hebrews the west palestinians are heavily canaanite,but geneticly the arameans,hebrews and amorites,canaanites didnt differ much,but they differed later through invading nations
not authentic to speak Cnaanaite, and post an arab flag at the end. Even less authentic is that people who used this flag (PLO), massacred the Lebanese, who are the real direct Phoenician descendants. If palestinian arabs want to speak Hebrew (canaanite) - you are welcome, but the claim to Phoenician-cnaanite ancestry is fake, especially when phoenicians still exist.
@Greyshark09 gay jew..canaanites language is the father language of the arabic language.you fuckin nasty jew..hebrew language isn't hebrew stupid..canaanites aren't jews you fuckin killed them and wrote in your nasty torah that you have the right to kill any canaanites
we and descendants of northern cnaanites will kick your asses back to your arabistan. i wonder what true muslims of your nation will do to you when you write "nasty Torah", a true muslim will kill you for that. Torah is holy to muslims and jews alike. You apparently came back to your pagan arabic culture, before Islam.
@Greyshark09 fuckin big arched nose jew return to europe or your real home kurdistan..you fuckin filthy kurd...canaanites were old arabic tribe like amorites so suck my dick..and they fucking language is a proof that they were an arabic tribe.
you fuckin killed them but in the end they kicked your asses out of canaan/palestine and that's wha we will do to you
@Greyshark09 : why? Punic and Phoenician were mostly spoken in modern day Tunisia , Lebanon , northern Palestine and was also spoken in Malta , Algeria , Lybia , Spain. even though unfortunetely Phoenician culture doesnt exist anymore ..I think MalkiBaal makes a wonderful work by reviving Punic language.
Dude...hebrew is NOT canaanite. Hebrew (and arabic) is descended from aramaic, which was descended from the canaanite language. In fact the hebrew alphabet is actually a modified form of the aramaic alphabet.
Hebrew is southern Cnaanate, check out in Encyclopedia. I can read Phoenician (northern Cnaanote) freely - it is almost identical to my language. Hebrew also includes some Akkadian - evidence to earlier language of Israelites.
As a language, Hebrew belongs to the Canaanite group of languages. In turn the Canaanite languages are a branch of the Northwest Semitic family of languages. Hebrew and Moabite are Southern Canaanite while Phoenician is Northern Canaanite. Canaanite is closely related to Aramaic and to a lesser extent South-Central Arabic. Whereas other Canaanite languages became extinct, Hebrew flourished as a spoken language in Israel from an uncertain date before the 10th century BCE.
@Greyshark09 hey fag canaanites came from the arabic peninsula like the amorites...the amorites went to iraq&syria and the canaanites went to palestine and lebanon..the fag jews were in egypt and they faught the canaanites and it's written in your satanic torah that hebrews have the right to kill canaanites because canaanites are animals..and that what you did you killed the native ppl of palestine like how you do now.but in the end the canaanites managed to kick you out
@Greyshark09 ok i can fully understand it because i learned phoenician language and punic language. it is to 100 % clear too me here is the translation:
I dedidcated this work for astarte
oh my brother beware yourself please
by the way this is the style in which the phoenicians and puni people wrote, no vowels just vowels indicator. here is another sentence in phoenician:
east canaanite (aramaic-canaanite hybrid language) the canaanite language of the hebrews, the hebrews were aramaic speaker who came to the land canaan as foreighners :D
moabite, edomite, ammonite, hebrew are aramaic-canaanite langauge, (south) east canaanite langauge, heavily influenced by aramaic
while edomite is heavily influenced by ancient north arabic too
our ancestors were speaking akkadian (or possibly also hurrian), not aramaic before their arrival to canaan.
most of canaan populations were majorly arrivals of this migration wave of akkadian-hurrian speakers. Such as Jebusites (hurrians), Edomites (same as israelites), ammonites (same as israelites), moabites (same as israelites). Edomite was influenced since 6th century by either Aramaic or proto-arabic (heavily? very hard to know - little written records left).
@Greyshark09 i think that the ancient hebrews spoke amoritic or a language which was quite similar, remember the babylonians were amorites, spoke amoritic but wrote akkdian and were assimilated to the akkadians, the aramaens are a amoritic tribe i think and the hebrew came from that tribe, but it was in a time when the amotite language was not split into canaanite and aramaic and ugaritic, hebrew and aramic splited as well the canaanites,, i think that the canaanites are from the amorites too
@Malkibaal we have little inscriptions of phoenician in north west kanaan and in the south west kanaan, the canaanites in kanaan spoke a language which was like biblos phoenician but there are not many inscription.
The philistin language seems to be like biblos phoenician and it lasted longer than the normal canaanite langauge which we have how you and i mentioned almost no sources, the last philistin inscription is from 600 bc, but the langauge was spoken til 300 bc then aramaic replaced it
west canaanite (pure canaanite) the canaanite language of the canaanites :D
(norht west) punic, phoenician(north west) and
(north and south west)pre isrealic canaanite, the language of the central canaanites
(south west) philistine langauge are all west canaanite languages , fully canaanite, the philistines were canaanites which became helleneized or influanced by a foreighn culture ,withouth or less aramic influences
the truth is nobody really knows where pleshet (philistines) came from. In our tradition they were Minoans from Caftor (Crete). Anyway they were fully absorbed into Canaanite culture, with little traces of their past.
You didn't answer - how do you learn punic and phoenician (northern cnaanite) ?
there are almost no written records left in the north, but mainly in south (old hebrew) and east (moabite language - another dialect of cnaanite). Am i wrong ?
true,I learned punic-phoenician by books.Right the philistines didnt made up a big genetic impact,the most people in ghaza were canaanite in blood after all, while the north east and south east of kanaan was mixed with hebrews,but the canaanite culture coexisted till 400 bce, but several polytheistic temples such as the tempel for ashtart existed till 800 ad in the land kanaan the bizantine empire killed the last surving canaanites,who live after the canaanite traditions.
i don't know of any south cnaanite references after 702 BCE (assyrian conquest), i suppose you mean some kind of Hellenistic-Cnaanite practice perhaps. possible,
but from what is seen in Caesaria (probably the most pagan city in Judean province of Rome) - just usual Hellenistic gods and emperor personal worship, not something local.
@Greyshark09 could be yea, we know that the canaanites were not fully assimilated, there were probably more places but since the wars and after time and many cities are built over older cities we cannot find some material, but i am sure we might find more inscription of the canaanite language of the canaanites (expect philistin canaanites and phoenician and punic canaanites)
i think the best place to search is Lebanon and Israel. There is a very recent discovery of Tel Rehov, which is supposed to be a Cnaanite city which existed during the early Israelite kingdom (11th - 9th century BCE)
can you write just "כ" without vowel ? meaning "כי" - "because" ?
is that what you meant previously ?
thanx
good work, 120 years ago a man named Ben Yehuda has studied southern cnaanite (biblical hebrew), adding new words, creating modern Hebrew. You might be the one reviving the northern cnaanaite as well.
@Greyshark09 hey stupid fag boy there isn't canaanite hebrew language ya stupid..there is hebrew language ya tebesh(stupid)and there is the canaanite language and it's the father language of the arabic language ya mezdayien.stupid 99%of the hebrew words are also arabic words but 5% of the arabic words are hebrew words.
i bleive in the old traditions of the phoenicians, by the way the phoenician settled in lybia too, punic language was spoken in lybia till 400 ad at least, and they worshipped the god baal in lybia too :).
I follow your work and I love it and respect it. I still honestly and truly believe that the pronounciation should be closer to the Arabic with softer and more variated vowels than it's done. I know you are mostly following the opinions of the modern Historians that the ancient Canaanite should resemble to hebrew, which is not a scientific statement but in my opinion "polistorical" . I don't know how, but if you follow maybe your deep instincts you'll get better the sound of the Ancestors.
What are you basing this belief upon? Surely if the linguists, archaeologists and historians argue that ancient Canaanite/Phoenician dialects resembled ancient Hebrew more closely, this would be the better argument. I fail to see what makes their argument unscientific as you say. Could you cite some of these historians so that the people on YouTube could be their own judges?
kinahnu any culture of humanity concern me the phonicians was in ifri(africa=now tunisia and lybia)kartaja/malkibal costantine is a roman king the old name of costantine is sirta(tasirt in amazigh) also we find sirt in libya
I'm not an expert in Phoenician but seriously,what's with the modern Hebrew pronunciation! I know that Hebrew is related with Canaanite languages but the Israelis do not pronounce i correctly ,look it up on you tube
People Please dont be Ignorant. The Philistines who lived in Phil-istia were Greeks.
Phil-Istia means People who love sailing. Phil(friend) -Istion(sail) "Friends or Lovers of Sailing"
All the Arrrchaeological evidence proves that they were Myceanean Greeks. Enough said. Israelis and Arabs BOTH try to hide this.
ZeusTelemaxos 1 hour ago
is phoenician still alive ?
camilleri99 1 year ago
@camilleri99 sadly it is not :(
thank you for your interest :)
Malkibaal 1 year ago
@Malkibaal i scared of that . we maltese used to talk it when phoenicians came here :)
camilleri99 1 year ago
@Malkibaal it is in some Lebanese churches :D
xHASSUNAx 4 months ago
@xHASSUNAx the lebanese churches use aramaic, which is still spoken,but phoenician is long dead, the last speakers in lebanon lived arround 300 ad,while the phoenician of carthage called punic survived till 800 ad & even longer till 1100 ad in libya,attested by the arab geographer al-Bakri who describes people speaking a language which was not Berber,Latin or Coptic in the city of Sirte in Libya,which already has a lot of phoenicio-punic inscription & its inhabitants spoke punic as mother tongue
Malkibaal 4 months ago
very cool
z1e2v1 1 year ago
why do you not pronounce the ha and ayin as in arabic?
TheSexymonkey567 1 year ago
@TheSexymonkey567 that isbecause it is in late punic, almost all ayns and ha dissapeared or were only very week pronounced, the canaanite language was in contact with many languages and lost many sounds, and it spoken at least 1900 bc and this was the dielect of the time 100 bc -100 ad and there were a great roman influence on the pronouncaiton bcs the romans occupied the punic speaking areas. :) Thank you that you are interested and asked this.
Malkibaal 1 year ago
I can pronounce Malkibaal like a Phoenician, thanks for helping me out heh. :)
MaBu888 1 year ago
@MaBu888 you are welcome my brother !
:)
Malkibaal 1 year ago
I have watched more than three of these vids three or four times i love the sound and rhythm of that language.
MaBu888 1 year ago 2
@MaBu888 thank you the same to your videos, it is good to see more and more people becoming interested and excited about the ancient languages :)
Malkibaal 1 year ago
hheheheh nice
but u still have lebanese arabic accent :)
specially when u said hayati hahahha
great vido my friend
keep teaching us :)
arabiannight100 1 year ago
@arabiannight100 thank you my dear friend :D hahahaha :D
:)
May El the merciful bless you! :)
Yirberakki IL ha rro7em! :D
Malkibaal 1 year ago
@Malkibaal
:) thanks
MAY hubal bless u too :)
AMEN
damn lets re bellydance for them hahaahahh
arabiannight100 1 year ago
so close to the arabic
ghettoksa 1 year ago 2
@ghettoksa thank you ghettoksa,there are still older versions of phoenician or proto-canaanite which would still sound much much closer,maybe I will doing some ancient canaanite videos,there is much stuff to show you.The most people never thought never were informed that the languages of the old middle eastern were similar to arabic,because of the ancient script, but this is a illusion,the ancient arabic was written with an complete different script than modern arabic one might think its exotic.
Malkibaal 1 year ago
Hey Malkibaal, I want to ask you something. What did the ancient Canaanites believe about the afterlife?
designedsayer 1 year ago
@designedsayer they be,leived that their soul rests, that their soul flies up in th esky like a phoenix and becam ashes, and then they disappear. There was no real afterlife for them, but they beleived that the soul needs food and presents before it can go to heaven, to fly to the sky and became ash, how i said like a phoenix, befor the soul flies up, it enters the place of moloch(molk, or molik in phoenician-punic-canaanite) molok burns the soul and transforms it into a phoenix.
Malkibaal 1 year ago
its sound like hebrew lol
TheFantasyRide 1 year ago
@Malkibaal
yes i agree, at least some of our ancestors must be canaanite, and so is possibly correct for palestinian arabs (especially those with ancestors from Syria and Lebanon). Regarding palestinian arabs - while some of them in Judea and Samaria indeed are converts from Jews and Samaritans, those are not the majority of this mixed population. The main body of "palestinians" are immigrants from the last 179 years, beginning with arab-Egyptian settlement of the coast in 1831.
Greyshark09 1 year ago
since we are all mixed we can determeind who is fully canaanite or jew or arab, but many palestinians just look like lebanese too me, and have simialr words in their arabic dialect, no there are many palestinian who are canaanite decendend but mixeed with all possibly invadrss but they carry the canaanite gene too, lebanese are also very mixed after thoasands of years,i am pretty sure that the coastal palestinians are fully canaanites, althought through tthe contact with thte sea they are mixed.
Malkibaal 1 year ago
@Malkibaal
coastal arabs of Israel are mostly dark yemenese or pale bosniaks. i live on Israeli coast - so that is what i see. Israeli coast was empty in 18th century except some jews and christians in Ghaza and Jaffa, only Acca had also some muslim population, with an influx of muslim Bosniacs and Albanians in late 18th century and through 19th century (Ahmed Jazzar was Albanian, if you know who he is). T
Muslim arabs came to the coast In 1831 - Ibrahim Pasha brought thousands of Egyptians.
Greyshark09 1 year ago
@Greyshark09
Yeah exactly, Palestinians are a group of immigrants from egypt, syria, albania, turkey, bosnia, saudi arabia, iraq, iran, greece, ghana, nigeria, denmark, mongolia and Indonesia, they all immigrated in 1850 AD, unluckily for the jews, the real natives of the land, who are to begin returning from their 2000 years-vacation in poland and russia.
Poor jews, they are being robbed of their land by others
Kinahnu 11 months ago
@Kinahnu
That's a poor propoganda that is proven wrong. Genetic testing can only reveal the truth and well genetic testing has proved that around 80 percent of palestinians are more related to the purest jewish stock than most modern jews which make since since palestinians DO LOOK SEMETIC and do resemble their semetic syrian and lebanese neibours in the levant unlike modern "white jews" who are obviously pure whites or mixed whites from europe.
YOur theory is garbage.
thebeat911 5 months ago
@thebeat911
lol you fill for the sarcasm :)) i totally agree with your reply actually
Kinahnu 5 months ago 3
@Malkibaal
Clear mixed populations are in Samaria and Judea - local "arabs" look in many cases very similar to us phenotypically (jews). Indeed many family names of theirs are Samaritan and Hebrew. Thrugh jews and samaritans West Bank arabs (Judea and Samaria) are in many cases descendants also of Cnaanites in some way - very possible. It was also proved genetically by Prof. Oppenheim, Prof. Benhar and also other researches - jews are very close to West Bank palestinians by DNA.
Greyshark09 1 year ago
can you translate the meaning of Carthage (Cart Hadshet) ?
Greyshark09 1 year ago
@Greyshark09 (qoph sound)art (het letter sound)adasht
het letter sound is like a strong "H" like when you breath hard.
The qoph letter sound is like a hard "k" spoken with your throat, it is like a click, this sound dissappeared in the end and became "K", but i doubt that the sound dissappeard completely because the sound is still spoken in modern maltes and in tunisian which have some punic pronounciation in their arabic.
qart hhadasht= renewed city
in arabic = qariat hadathat
Malkibaal 1 year ago
עבודה טובה עמלת על השפה
תוכל להיות חוקר תורה
Greyshark09 1 year ago
I dont wanna be a thora teacher, I want to be a scientist in neuro biology and philogist in all semitic langauges. :D
Besides that I am not jewish, I am not hebrew, I am canaanite :D
Malkibaal 1 year ago
@Malkibaal :D
yeah but most modern cnaanites (lebanese) are either Christian or Muslim - all practice Torah in some way. I suppose you are an atheist then or something like this?
Greyshark09 1 year ago
please add the south west syrianns,tunisians maltese,palestinians and some jews if they descend from the middle east they mostly decends from canaanite converts,not from hebrews,as for the palestinian most of them are jewish converts who are mostly just canaanite converts,not hebrew ones,but some east palestinians are hebrews the west palestinians are heavily canaanite,but geneticly the arameans,hebrews and amorites,canaanites didnt differ much,but they differed later through invading nations
Malkibaal 1 year ago
where else they did they settle?? help anyone :)
MakedonsKapRiNcEzSa 1 year ago
@MakedonsKapRiNcEzSa ok they settled in the whole north african coast, south spain, in france and in greece and in malta cypre, turkey.
Malkibaal 1 year ago
not authentic to speak Cnaanaite, and post an arab flag at the end. Even less authentic is that people who used this flag (PLO), massacred the Lebanese, who are the real direct Phoenician descendants. If palestinian arabs want to speak Hebrew (canaanite) - you are welcome, but the claim to Phoenician-cnaanite ancestry is fake, especially when phoenicians still exist.
Greyshark09 1 year ago
@Greyshark09 gay jew..canaanites language is the father language of the arabic language.you fuckin nasty jew..hebrew language isn't hebrew stupid..canaanites aren't jews you fuckin killed them and wrote in your nasty torah that you have the right to kill any canaanites
roosoo2 1 year ago 5
@roosoo2
we and descendants of northern cnaanites will kick your asses back to your arabistan. i wonder what true muslims of your nation will do to you when you write "nasty Torah", a true muslim will kill you for that. Torah is holy to muslims and jews alike. You apparently came back to your pagan arabic culture, before Islam.
Greyshark09 1 year ago
@Greyshark09 fuckin big arched nose jew return to europe or your real home kurdistan..you fuckin filthy kurd...canaanites were old arabic tribe like amorites so suck my dick..and they fucking language is a proof that they were an arabic tribe.
you fuckin killed them but in the end they kicked your asses out of canaan/palestine and that's wha we will do to you
roosoo2 1 year ago 3
@Greyshark09 : why? Punic and Phoenician were mostly spoken in modern day Tunisia , Lebanon , northern Palestine and was also spoken in Malta , Algeria , Lybia , Spain. even though unfortunetely Phoenician culture doesnt exist anymore ..I think MalkiBaal makes a wonderful work by reviving Punic language.
Elany13 1 year ago 2
@Elany13 : nice , it was Hannibal's language.
Elany13 1 year ago 2
@Elany13
it is the same as Hebrew, i speak it today. Hebrew is Southern Phoenician dialect.
Greyshark09 1 year ago
@Greyshark09
Dude...hebrew is NOT canaanite. Hebrew (and arabic) is descended from aramaic, which was descended from the canaanite language. In fact the hebrew alphabet is actually a modified form of the aramaic alphabet.
rencrow 1 year ago 2
@rencrow
Hebrew is southern Cnaanate, check out in Encyclopedia. I can read Phoenician (northern Cnaanote) freely - it is almost identical to my language. Hebrew also includes some Akkadian - evidence to earlier language of Israelites.
Greyshark09 1 year ago
quote:
As a language, Hebrew belongs to the Canaanite group of languages. In turn the Canaanite languages are a branch of the Northwest Semitic family of languages. Hebrew and Moabite are Southern Canaanite while Phoenician is Northern Canaanite. Canaanite is closely related to Aramaic and to a lesser extent South-Central Arabic. Whereas other Canaanite languages became extinct, Hebrew flourished as a spoken language in Israel from an uncertain date before the 10th century BCE.
Greyshark09 1 year ago
@Greyshark09 hey fag canaanites came from the arabic peninsula like the amorites...the amorites went to iraq&syria and the canaanites went to palestine and lebanon..the fag jews were in egypt and they faught the canaanites and it's written in your satanic torah that hebrews have the right to kill canaanites because canaanites are animals..and that what you did you killed the native ppl of palestine like how you do now.but in the end the canaanites managed to kick you out
roosoo2 1 year ago
@roosoo2
Elokai yaanisheha oved elilim ben belial
Greyshark09 1 year ago
@Greyshark09 lekh tezdain ya ben zona ve temtsots et ha zain shele
roosoo2 1 year ago
@roosoo2
walla inta arabi falastini !
tafhimu el lura el hibriya habibi - tafhimu man had'a falastini bi el lura el finikiya-hibriya ?
falastini=falshtu (lura aramiya)/ pleshet (lura hebriya / phiniciya) - ghaz bi el arabiya (غاز)
inta arabi ghaz, wa arduka bi el arabiya janubiya, slamaat :)
Greyshark09 1 year ago
@Greyshark09
If u can understand these sentences u can understand phoenician langauge:
פעלית זת לעשתרת כרמתא
י חיחלצ בתכא מע
Malkibaal 1 year ago
@Malkibaal
יש לך שגיאה, האות י' לא באה לבדה
ולגבי עשתורת - תשמרהה לעצמך, הנני עובד אלוקי ואין אחד מלבדו
Greyshark09 1 year ago
@Greyshark09 did u understand it or not? if you understood it what i wrote you then please translate it in english and post it here
Malkibaal 1 year ago
@Malkibaal
עזוב אנגלית דברני כנענית
growing olives for astarte goddess (fertility)
חיחלצ = יחלץ
בתכה מעי - גלעין
you mean probably olive pit
Greyshark09 1 year ago
@Greyshark09 ok i can fully understand it because i learned phoenician language and punic language. it is to 100 % clear too me here is the translation:
I dedidcated this work for astarte
oh my brother beware yourself please
by the way this is the style in which the phoenicians and puni people wrote, no vowels just vowels indicator. here is another sentence in phoenician:
אדנ יתנ מתנ עדרת ידע כ בו המקמי
Malkibaal 1 year ago
@Malkibaal
פרט לאגרות מואב וכתב עברי אין אזכורין לשפת הכנען
ממה למדת את הפניקית ?
Greyshark09 1 year ago
@Greyshark09
east canaanite (aramaic-canaanite hybrid language) the canaanite language of the hebrews, the hebrews were aramaic speaker who came to the land canaan as foreighners :D
moabite, edomite, ammonite, hebrew are aramaic-canaanite langauge, (south) east canaanite langauge, heavily influenced by aramaic
while edomite is heavily influenced by ancient north arabic too
Malkibaal 1 year ago
@Malkibaal
our ancestors were speaking akkadian (or possibly also hurrian), not aramaic before their arrival to canaan.
most of canaan populations were majorly arrivals of this migration wave of akkadian-hurrian speakers. Such as Jebusites (hurrians), Edomites (same as israelites), ammonites (same as israelites), moabites (same as israelites). Edomite was influenced since 6th century by either Aramaic or proto-arabic (heavily? very hard to know - little written records left).
Greyshark09 1 year ago
@Greyshark09 i think that the ancient hebrews spoke amoritic or a language which was quite similar, remember the babylonians were amorites, spoke amoritic but wrote akkdian and were assimilated to the akkadians, the aramaens are a amoritic tribe i think and the hebrew came from that tribe, but it was in a time when the amotite language was not split into canaanite and aramaic and ugaritic, hebrew and aramic splited as well the canaanites,, i think that the canaanites are from the amorites too
Malkibaal 1 year ago
@Malkibaal we have little inscriptions of phoenician in north west kanaan and in the south west kanaan, the canaanites in kanaan spoke a language which was like biblos phoenician but there are not many inscription.
The philistin language seems to be like biblos phoenician and it lasted longer than the normal canaanite langauge which we have how you and i mentioned almost no sources, the last philistin inscription is from 600 bc, but the langauge was spoken til 300 bc then aramaic replaced it
Malkibaal 1 year ago
@Greyshark09
west canaanite (pure canaanite) the canaanite language of the canaanites :D
(norht west) punic, phoenician(north west) and
(north and south west)pre isrealic canaanite, the language of the central canaanites
(south west) philistine langauge are all west canaanite languages , fully canaanite, the philistines were canaanites which became helleneized or influanced by a foreighn culture ,withouth or less aramic influences
Malkibaal 1 year ago
@Malkibaal
the truth is nobody really knows where pleshet (philistines) came from. In our tradition they were Minoans from Caftor (Crete). Anyway they were fully absorbed into Canaanite culture, with little traces of their past.
You didn't answer - how do you learn punic and phoenician (northern cnaanite) ?
there are almost no written records left in the north, but mainly in south (old hebrew) and east (moabite language - another dialect of cnaanite). Am i wrong ?
Greyshark09 1 year ago
true,I learned punic-phoenician by books.Right the philistines didnt made up a big genetic impact,the most people in ghaza were canaanite in blood after all, while the north east and south east of kanaan was mixed with hebrews,but the canaanite culture coexisted till 400 bce, but several polytheistic temples such as the tempel for ashtart existed till 800 ad in the land kanaan the bizantine empire killed the last surving canaanites,who live after the canaanite traditions.
Malkibaal 1 year ago
@Malkibaal
i don't know of any south cnaanite references after 702 BCE (assyrian conquest), i suppose you mean some kind of Hellenistic-Cnaanite practice perhaps. possible,
but from what is seen in Caesaria (probably the most pagan city in Judean province of Rome) - just usual Hellenistic gods and emperor personal worship, not something local.
Greyshark09 1 year ago
@Greyshark09 could be yea, we know that the canaanites were not fully assimilated, there were probably more places but since the wars and after time and many cities are built over older cities we cannot find some material, but i am sure we might find more inscription of the canaanite language of the canaanites (expect philistin canaanites and phoenician and punic canaanites)
Malkibaal 1 year ago
@Malkibaal
i think the best place to search is Lebanon and Israel. There is a very recent discovery of Tel Rehov, which is supposed to be a Cnaanite city which existed during the early Israelite kingdom (11th - 9th century BCE)
Greyshark09 1 year ago
@Malkibaal
לך עדרת חבר מאדן
המשך ברכש ידע
can you write just "כ" without vowel ? meaning "כי" - "because" ?
is that what you meant previously ?
thanx
good work, 120 years ago a man named Ben Yehuda has studied southern cnaanite (biblical hebrew), adding new words, creating modern Hebrew. You might be the one reviving the northern cnaanaite as well.
Greyshark09 1 year ago
@Greyshark09 really
Malkibaal 1 year ago
@Greyshark09 hey stupid fag boy there isn't canaanite hebrew language ya stupid..there is hebrew language ya tebesh(stupid)and there is the canaanite language and it's the father language of the arabic language ya mezdayien.stupid 99%of the hebrew words are also arabic words but 5% of the arabic words are hebrew words.
roosoo2 1 year ago
do u believe in pagan baal???
mgmastrakanakis 1 year ago
i bleive in the old traditions of the phoenicians, by the way the phoenician settled in lybia too, punic language was spoken in lybia till 400 ad at least, and they worshipped the god baal in lybia too :).
I dont believ in baal but in his teachings :)
Malkibaal 1 year ago
Phoenicia is Lebanon.. and proud to be so
MrSweetlife92 2 years ago 3
Assur Shall Bless Hanibal The Great's soul.
I love this name because of two reasons: first, It is our common culture and history and second it is a common name in Assyrians as well:)
Blessings,
NewBornAssyria 2 years ago 2
shakar rabo ikhiy, yibroko ba3l leka !
Thanks brother , may baal bless you!
Malkibaal 2 years ago
I follow your work and I love it and respect it. I still honestly and truly believe that the pronounciation should be closer to the Arabic with softer and more variated vowels than it's done. I know you are mostly following the opinions of the modern Historians that the ancient Canaanite should resemble to hebrew, which is not a scientific statement but in my opinion "polistorical" . I don't know how, but if you follow maybe your deep instincts you'll get better the sound of the Ancestors.
armenn88 2 years ago 2
What are you basing this belief upon? Surely if the linguists, archaeologists and historians argue that ancient Canaanite/Phoenician dialects resembled ancient Hebrew more closely, this would be the better argument. I fail to see what makes their argument unscientific as you say. Could you cite some of these historians so that the people on YouTube could be their own judges?
itsbensiegel 2 years ago 2
kinahnu any culture of humanity concern me the phonicians was in ifri(africa=now tunisia and lybia)kartaja/malkibal costantine is a roman king the old name of costantine is sirta(tasirt in amazigh) also we find sirt in libya
Trouweman9 2 years ago 4
cool thats right my friend!
Malkibaal 2 years ago
nice work
mewoone 2 years ago 4
I'm not an expert in Phoenician but seriously,what's with the modern Hebrew pronunciation! I know that Hebrew is related with Canaanite languages but the Israelis do not pronounce i correctly ,look it up on you tube
"Original Hebrew Alphabet Pronunciation"
freefapi 2 years ago 3
hi my friend the algerian punic inscription is in the city Constantin. :)
Malkibaal 2 years ago
wow,impressive 5 stars
freefapi 2 years ago 4
5 stars.
Great work.
humiii 2 years ago 12
Great work my friend :) Ignore the haters.
GoliathofGath 2 years ago 6
This comment has received too many negative votes show
cananite is not phoenician
Tamazgha2959 2 years ago
okay smack this:
1. A punic inscription found in algeria from 300 bc says:
'abdeshmun bin medir ish kana3n"
Translation: Abdeshmun the son of Medir Man of Kanaan.
2. In the " 5th century " Saint Augustine talked about the population of tunisa about "punicus" about the punic people:
"If you ask our peasants who they are they will answer in Punic "chanani"."
Also Kana3ni means canaanite and phoenician and punic in canaanite-phoenician-punic language.
Malkibaal 2 years ago
"1. A punic inscription found in algeria from 300 "
Where in Algeria did they found it?
freefapi 2 years ago
@ Tamazgha2959:
Moroccans are Berber/Tmazegh any way, phoenicians shouldn't concern you i guess.
Kinahnu 2 years ago 4
Cool punic poem.
You know i envy you on being able to differentiate even between dialects within phoenician =)
montezoma 2 years ago 4
awesome
3atreees 2 years ago 9