Look we obviously disagree on things im pretty old and you are too, I love Mike and 80s and 90s, i respect players from this era and back then. Lets just agree to disgree we've been going at this for days, So i just respect you, and this is stupid.
I realize what your saying, But look so if There is a Kid speaks fluent Spanish, and another an english native. So thet take tests and the English scores higher because he studied and The fluent one was not as good on the test. Does that mean the english kid knows more spanish?
You do realize that other countries back then were barely about basketball, it was not as big as it is now. They used to honestly suck, Europe was ok but nothing compared to the NBA.
What? Then how do U explain those Great Lithuanian, Yugoslovian & Brazillian teams that "DOMINATED" International play? why do U think they summoned the Dream Team? It's because they were kickin' everybody's ass, including ours, left & right in international play! They weren't about B-Ball..Yeah right! Those were great teams & their success proved it! U should've seen Sabonis B4 both achilles tendons were ruptured & how he utterly 'Dominated' the U.S. in '88.
I'm trying to understand U guys logic of someone being "Better" at a certain aspect of B-Ball, despite "Consistently" posting "Lower" marks in that area than him. If Student A 'Regularly' has a low G.P.A & Test Scores than Student B, who Routinely "IS" on the Dean's list & "Consistently" has 3.5 - 4.0 G.P.A & 'Consistently' scores in 90 percentile or 'Higher' on his tests, how can U claim Student A is 'The' "BETTER" student? That's what U guys sound like with these proclamations..
Ray allen and Kerr are not equivelent, Kerr was more of a spot up shooter, He also went around the pic to get a shot. Allen crates his shot on isolation pull up and shoot, Kg and Howard can Rebound quite as well, but i like Rodman so i dont even trip, you act like if i dont like the 90s, i LOVED the 80s, basketball not as much fun.
Your putting words onto my mouth. Did i ever once tell you i was a fan? you like using your percentages facts but how bout the numbers, 81 career, 63 in 3, 12-3s, 55 ina half, the 50s the 40s, You should not always base your statements on facts, Watch a game and see the degree of difficulty his shots are. the doubles the triples, and he doesnt have that Legend on his team that could do it all and score 40+, have 10 rebounds and 10 assists to rely on, and wanted to be the man
We're not supposed to base what a player actually has "DONE" on FACTS? You're jokin' right? I "DO" watch the game & lemme' tell U what the FACTS tell me: "ONLY" 9 out of his 22 "50" PT games, came against teams that were .500 or better (41%). 31 of MJ's 39 "50" pt games were against teams with .500 or better records (80%). Sorry, U stick to subjective opinions, I'll stick to the facts..
In '88, the NBA actually tried to stop MJ with an "Anti-Isolation Rule." It disallowed 2 players from gathering at the FT line with a perimater player at the 3 point line. This was to limit MJ's 1-1 onslaught from '87 & it was nicknamed the "Michael Jordan Rules". He joined Mikan & Wilt, as the only players with rules designed to limit "THEM". While Mikan and Wilt had the NBA adjust to their size, MJ had the NBA adjusting to his skill..
KB has no help huh? OK, MJ's Wizard yrs, he had little help & "STILL" managed to post avg's over "2" yrs that R virtually "IDENTICAL" to KB's "CAREER" avg's in both his Reg. Season "AND" Playoff marks & he was 40 on a bad knee, well past his prime!
And if it's all about having help, MJ won titles with 2 different teams. The only constant being Scottie! KB had "3" Hall of Famers & "STILL" couldn't win in '04 & might I add, put up HORRIBLE #'s in the Finals that yr by "REFUSING" to feed shaq, the highest scoring center in finals history & 1 of the few ppl, who's scored 30 pts in "EVERY" game of the finals he was in. KB shot them out of the Finals that yr (38%) on 20+ shots LOL!! That's crazy!!
"LoL" Malone hmmm like about 40 with a messed up knee who didnt even play in the last game, The glove yeah like 35 who was not even comfertable in the Tri, Shaq was my boy but got whipped by Wallace, Kobe did shoot a lot, his teammates should man up and ask for the ball, Scottie as well would want the ball, like Mike was tenacious going to the rim.
Still putting words in my mouth, see you like to use %s, but dont see their high scoring games, how much they scored how frequently against who, Pretty much all teams had good records back then, Kobe would be killing them,or lebron Wade, etc.
You'd give a guy "Legendary/G.O.A.T" status based on a "Season" & not look at what they've 'CONSISTENTLY' done for their 'CAREER'? LOL!! R U Serious? You're Jokin' right? & as far as "high scoring games", I know who he's scored against & what the teams records were..the boxscores tell me that. Most of his high scoring games, come against "POOR" teams & those R the 'FACTS' of the matter..
U honestly believe, KB would 'Dominate' in "THE" most 'Defensive' era ever, when they played bruising & extremely aggressive defense, where hand checkin' was legal, & he can't even manage to shoot higher than 46% under a "perimeter friendly" defensive regime, that was implemented to accomodate & increase scoring because they wanted to get away from the slow/defensive style of the mid 80's & 90's to make the game aesthetically pleasing to the casual fan..
Kobe has shot "WORSE" than his team 9 out of 11 seasons! He has to shoot 'Twice' as many shots, just to even begin to offensively be compared to MJ & couple that with the physical/bruising & highly aggressive defense of that era, "ESPECIALLY" during the playoffs, U think he'd "DOMINATE"? LOL!! He can't even 'Consistently' dominate "NOW"!! Do U hear yourself bruh?..LOL!!
I enjoy watchin' the brotha play. But when U guys try & compare him to MJ, all U do is "OVERRATE" him. There's a difference between a "Great Player" & a "Legend/G.O.A.T"..those R 'Entirely' 2 different mediums of player(s). KB has "Too" many gaping deficiencies in his resume to make those kind of comparisons. I've often said, he's the A-Rod of the NBA..he puts up 'DECIEVINGLY' good #'s in the reg season & they get worse in the plyoffs where it matters most..
Is KB more 'Physically Gifted' than some of the guys from that era? Hell Yes, no doubt! But "Skill" & "Physical Ability" R 2 different things. It takes the combination of both to 'Dominate'. Case in point, Reggie Miller, not the most physically gifted player, but he's a 'CAREER' 48% shooter. I'm pretty sure if u took him from '87 & put him in '07, he'd 'STILL' shoot a high % & the 3 pt line was back "FURTHER" then. Shooting is a 'SKILL', not a 'Physical Ability'..
He has to shoot twice as many shots to score like Jordan? Jordan attempted around 20k shot in 13 seasons, Kobe about 15k in 11. unless kobe shoots about 5k the next 2 yrs to reach 20k and double that to get 40k shots yeah he shoots twice as much to score for whom MJ has about 30k points and Kobe 19k point, and Jordan had more minutes per game, way more games played and started
Are you serious? Men in this era are stronger faster and better. look i lived the 80s and 90s, yes they were aggressive, but your making it seem like they fought, I just know they were smaller, not in height but in physical appearance
Y do you keep putting words into my mouth? when have i said id say who is the best by their season, are you serious you just try to make me say what you say.
If players today R better, WHY ISN'T IT REFLECTED IN THEIR AVERAGES? If they're better, why 'DON'T' they have "HIGHER" FG %'s, FT %'s, Rebs avg's? "Higher" assts avg's, etc.? How can u claim someone is 'BETTER' at something, but their avg's vs the PPL U claim their better than, R 'SIGNIFICANTLY' "LOWER" than theirs? That's impossible! Players today R "Marginally" better physically, but not better players..
That would be the equivalent of me saying Ray Allen is a "better" 3-pt shooter than Steve Kerr because he's "bigger, faster & stronger" than him, but his production in that area doesn't compare. To discredit how good someone is or was because of what era they played in is absurd! Scoring & shooting is a skill, not a physical ability! I'm pretty sure having a 48' vertical leap & runnin' a 4.3 in the 40, is the same in '07 as it was in '87..
U guys just don't get it LOL!! U guys 'CONISITENTLY' confuse "Physical Ability" with "Skill". Why do U think Duke has been able to kick da s*** outta teams with FAR better 'Physical' Talents than them? Why do U think for a # of yrs now, we've been gettin' our asses handed to us in olympic/internt'l play? Being stronger/faster 'DOESN'T' make U a better player! It can "ONLY" enhance your skill, "IF" U have a "HIGH" level of skill to begin with..
Where those "Bigger & Stronger" players of the 90's, "Better" at rebounding than Rodman? Or did it help those in the 80's be a "Better" player than Bird? Hell No! That's the problem with the league now, most of the players are "All" athlete & no "SKILL" & it shows in their poor FT %'s, FG%'s, etc..That's "WHY" they put the no-handcheck rule in place..to "INCREASE" scoring! In the words of Barkley: "They've made the game easy for bad players.."
Tell me how kobe got those 50 games, and 9 40s in a row when he had the best center at that time and arguably the best ever? your probably going to come up with an excuse that he balhogs. Kobe has a good streak of 50s these 3 years, Kobe will most likely pass MJ of 50 games. In which MJ was THE man his career and Kobe had Shaq for 3/4 of his.
'Dominant Centers' make the game "EASIER" for wings & forwards due to the 'Constant' double/Triple teaming. If anything, his #'s should've been 'Better' than what they "Currently" R! In '07 "ALONE", he had "1" playoff game where he shot 50%. He also had "51" games "UNDER" 50% & a "TON" of sub 40% games. Hell, the 'Majority' of his games this yr, he outscored his pt totals, with shot attempts! If y'all can't see that's "NOT" efficient scoring, somethin' is wrong with y'all..
I mean C'mon Kobe/Laker fans, if you're 'MAIN' offensive guy is taking "OVER" 20 shots a game, U "NEED" him to shot 50% or better or you're not gonna beat "ANY" good teams. Considering he has "5" teamates that shoot a "Higher" FG% from the floor than him, U guys don't think something needs to change?
"THAT'S" the STANDARD that REAL FANS hold KB to, like we do all the "OTHER" LEGENDS who've "EARNED" that title. If U guys R intent on claiming he's "BETTER" than MJ, U "MUST" hold him to the incredibly "HIGH" standard/precedent MJ set as a player. If you're not willing to do that, than your entire argument is irrelevant, because it's subjective..i.e., an "Opinion". And opinions "AREN'T" FACTS, but "CAREER" avg's 'ARE'..
Have you seen basketball? your like 20, basing the best by stats. You do realize, Kobe came in where Shaq was starting his prime, Kid Go watch some classics. Jordan was a ball hog as well, he got assists since his team was descent and made shot when he passed,Kobe does have many of the worst 50s, but my boy did have 4 50s in a row, which only Wilt has done more, and scored more in a game. Dont even trip, i know MJ is the best
I watched Magic & Bird play for the NCAA Title Game. I can assure U, I haven't been a "kid" in a long time. I've seen his career from college to retirement, all 3 times. and those "STATS" U homers try so hard to discredit, 'ACCURATELY' tells us what a player actually 'DID' on the floor.
MJ a "Ball Hog"? He avg'd "MORE" assists the 3 yrs B4 Pip & Co., than he did during any of their title runs & this was on a team that "ONLY" won 27 games B4 he arrived! Where's this "descent" team U speak of?
Kobe has "51" games in his "CAREER" where he had "0" assists. MJ "ONLY" has "6" in 14 yrs of play. In fact, '97 was the yr he had his 1st game like that. That's 13 "STRAIGHT" yrs with at least "1" assist! Given the guys KB has played with over the yrs & his record for games with no assits, U got the nerve to call MJ a "Ball Hog"? That's a joke!!
U morons act as if STATS R just some #'s made up outta' thin air. Since U fools think they aren't relevant, OK..Ben Wallace is a "BETTER" FT shooter than kobe..he "NEVER" scored 81 pts & he's "NEVER" avg'd more than 10 pts a game for his career. And oh yeah, Steve Nash is a 'BETTER' defender..Now prove me wrong. & I'm curious to see 'HOW' you're gonna do it, since y'all think Stats R irrelevant & don't prove anything..
U can come up with as many uninformed, lame excuses as u want & U can kick that ignorant nonsense to these equally ignorant ass KB 'homers' because they're fans of him, not the game. But "REAL" fans of the sport itself know what's up. Unlike U clowns, we can rely on FACTS because they substantiate what MJ actually has done & not our "OPINION" of what he coulda' shoulda' woulda', like y'all...
Kobe can score like MJ "ONLY" when he shoots "TWICE" as many shots as him. His "CAREER" FG% tells u that..That's the "ONLY" way someone who's shot "LESS" than 40% 1/3 of his "CAREER" can pull that off..
Now "U" should take your "OWN" advice & go "watch some classic games". Because clearly, you're just as uninformed as the rest of these silly kids regarding kobe in relation to MJ..
did i ever say, Kobe was not a ballhog, learn to read kid. I know he is, i have the decsency to admitt, unlike Jordan fans cant get rid of the fact that there are better
Did i ever say anything about Pip? Orlando, could shoot, Paxson, Corzine, Ice, that tall guy forgot his name was a rokie in 85-86, why dont you look him up for me since MJ lovers just go check out his stats, because he does have GREAT stats, but cant tell people about the games and the variety of difficult shots he takes and the teams he had
Obviously one season is better than a whole career, if you use the numbers.seriously kobe is the best scorer you act like you know im a true Kobe fan, i just no talent, Kobe is doing tons of his damage these years of scoring in which MJ took his career, i seen MJ play, i just dont look at the stats and say who is better, if i did i guess i would say, Bill is the best. i love Jordan but i respect game.
Really? Well, where's "ALL THIS DAMAGE" taking place at? Because If it really happened, those 'Stats' U homers try so hard to disregard, would reflect it. Those stats accurately tell me what he actually "DID" on the floor! KB's best yr shooting was this yr at 46%..that ties MJ's "WORSE" yr as a bull, in which shot 46% playing the whole yr with a torn ligament in the index finger of his shooting hand! Again, where did all this dmamge take place?
The "MAJORITY" of KB's 50 pt outburst R achievements of "VOLUME" shooting, not "EFFICIENCY". But these aren't flukes either! In terms of shooting, KB "7" of the 15 worst, & "10" of the 25 worst 50 pt games since '86. That's "HALF" of his 50 pt efforts! MJ "ONLY" has "1" 50 pt game in his "CAREER" under 50% shooting.
Out of KB's 22 50+ pt games, only "9" came against teams with .500 or better records: 41%. Out of Jordan's 39 50+ pt games, "31" came against teams with .500 or better records: 80%.
Kobe and MJ have nothin in common. Except perhaps: the early years of Jordan in NBA comparable to Kobe's entire career as for the kind of playing the game. Kobe is such a egoist player. He don't wanna good players around him. It must be all by himself.
Where is the team at 81 points? If I had been there on the court with kobe at this game I would have said to him: have a nice day I'm gonna go home, you'll make it alone, i'm pretty sure. Bye.
The Bulls only won 27 games B4 MJ. He as a rookie, led his team in Pts, Assts, Stls & Blks, makin' him the "ONLY" Player/Rookie in "HISTORY" to lead his team in 4 of 5 categories. He put up #'s in the 3 yrs B4 Pippen & Co., that R "BETTER" than KB's "CAREER" marks. & 'THAT' bulls team makes the 'CURRENT' Lakers look like the '96 Bulls. Sorry, there R no comparisons. No matter how many wack excuses U guys keep comin' up with, the FACTS will keep provin' U guys wrong..
Look Jordan is the best but Not of all time i really think Magic is but really no one is. For me i really think kobe is the best scorer ever. And look field goal percentage was high those times. % doesnt tell you who you really are. you a GM Nash and Dirk have higher % than kobe, you in the finals who would you rather have take a shot AGAINST you, or for you. Honestly come on now. you gonna look at the % or really see their history in the clutch.
How can KB be the "Best Scorer" ever when he's not even in the 10 All Time in Points Per Game? He only has 2 scoring titles in going on 12 yrs! LOL! If he were the best scorer ever, it would be reflected in his career offensive avgs & accolades. What part of this do y'all not get?
The reason guys had a "Higher" FG% back then, was because they were "BETTER" shooters! Period. Shooting is a 'SKILL', not a physical ability. And to claim MJ's FG% is "Higher" because he shot mostly "layups & dunks", is not only false, it's absurd! And FG% "DOES" tell U who the true marksmen R when it comes to shooting. Think not? OK, Ben Wallace is a "BETTER" jump shooter than kobe..prove me wrong! And I'm curious to see how your gonna do it..
It's funny, when PPL talk about "ALL" the other Great Players in 'ANY' sport, their superior STATS, IMPACT ON THE GAME, INDIVIDUAL & TEAM ACCCOLADES etc., they've accumulated, "JUSTIFIES" them being called a "Legend", but when it comes to kobe, U guys will say: "That stuff doesn't mean anything" LOL!! So lemme' get this straight, for the sake of comparing him to MJ..KB's the "ONLY" player in "HISTORY" whose 'TRUE' abilities 'AREN'T' reflected in any of the criteria mentioned above?
If he's "just as good" or 'Better' than MJ, WHY ISN'T IT REFLECTED IN HIS CAREER MARKS & INDIVIDUAL ACCOLADES? U KB fans R the "ONLY" group of PPL I've ever seen that'll imply that your favorite player is 'Better' than someone else, despite the 'FACT' that he 'CONSISTENTLY' fields 'LOWER' marks than them. That'd be like me trying to argue Steve Nash is a 'Better' defender then Kobe, despite the FACT Nash doesn't have a defensive resume to back up my claims LOL!! How idiotic does that sound?
Look J has shot 24,537 made 12,345= 49%, Kobe shot 14,760 made 6,681=45%, yeah Jordan is GREAT. Thng i dont like to compare bout j and KB is j mostly did layups and kobe shots, shots are way more tougher.J once he got in the paintt was either a foul or a gimme, one defenders layd back cuz like i said usually a foul the league was in love with MJ, a little same with Kobe with a foul in the act of shooting but likely, IM NO JORDAN HATER. I seen both careers so far.
You are stupid, man how old are you? A nba player makes many shots in their season, and the more shots the person makes, the less percentage is taken off for missing one, unless you are consistently "missing shots", use ur brain u dumb fuck and get a better education
whats the point of putting it in a smaller perspective when the statistics of the NBA dont'work like this? whats the point of pointing out that 25% is taken off for missing one shot when an average nba player makes WAY more shots than that? you're an idiot for even pointing that out
ok then let me put it like tis.15/30=50%, 14/30=46%. now 4% is being taken out. J has shot 49% for his career. So far Kobe 45%. Just plug in the numbers instead of 4/4 or 3/4 and itsthe same so stop being a dumbass and plug in the #s
Jordan of course is one of the best stupid. thats why he did put up good numbers he had a shitty team as well. so he did the work. if kobe started the same way Jordan did he would have way better numbers.Js team not worst than Lakers now. which by me being a laker fan i hate to say we suck cant play D fo shit. Kwame is garbage. Jordan had Oakley who can ball, Orlando great scorer, paxson great shooter, coming up pip, Grant great everything on D, Cartwright alright
Did i ever say any thing about Jordan, Kareem, or Magic. your stupid go to school kid learn how to read, instead of being a nerd and seeing all the facts go out there and PLAY THE GAME. see how hard it is. Thats why Kobe got the millions of fans and money and you living with yo mommy with a minimum wage job. go play on the streets lets see what you got. dont hate on players when you cant even touch NBA, NCAA, or highschool ball. Kobe so good straight to the NBA
I know Kobe puts his heart in it. Critisized all the time. Passes "he should shoot more" shoots more "he should pass more." I know kobe can average forty. I bet money he can touch 100.
Yes i am a Kobe fan, a Laker fan, a baketball fan. dont hate on the player that brings joy to people or who makes people want to hate him. Yeah people did start making Kob the vocal point for the NBA.Now its changed its all bout Bron and wade (i think are amazing as well)officials dont even like him he gets the worst call as well as shaq did. He waves his is arm automatic suspention. WTF.
First of all idont care if Magic is better since i think he is the G.O.A.T. second i never said kobe is the greatest. so now o.k shaq uummmm was in his prme (and i think is one of the best centers ever)it tok him bout 8 yrs to win a chip. Kareem was past due WAY over his prime. and what mean didnt do any of this with shaq what shaq averaged like a point more during the championship seasons.
y every time i leave a comment u show up u still on my dick y is that hoe azz nigga cuz u hate that fact that kobe fade looks better i mean c'mon look at their fades
1st of all, learn how to spell & speak in complete sentences. 2nd of all, how can a carbon copied fadeaway, be better than the original, especially since the original 1 connected on 50% on his fadeaway for his "CAREER", but the copy has only connected on 44% for his? Just like most KB fans, your comments make no sense & U sound like a complete moron..
& usin the "N" word everytime u speak, "FURTHER" highlights how clowns like u misrepresent our ppl. If i could, I'd slap da shit outta ya ass for perpetuating those dumb ass stereotypes. It's like that brotha NYOIL said in his video."ALL" U ignorant, coonin' & shinin' ass buffoons should get lynched for misrepresentin' our ppl on YouTube..
u dumb azz is u an enligsh teacher or sum 10 i don't have to spell right fo u son so wat u talking bout yo am graduated and am from in college so shyt y i need 2 do shyt fo u lol this tha internet bro we on youtube lol u act like we getting graded lol
If your in college, I'm an engineer LOL!! What was that comment again? Are you the cartoon character Bizzaro? "me am from in college" LOL!! I have no problem with people talkin' to me in ANY vernacular, but your comments "LITERALLY" make no sense at all LOL!!
"iz u an english teacher?" "..wat u talkin' bout yo am graduated.." LOL!!But I'm dumb though? LOL!! Hahahahahahahahahahahahaha..Oh shit that was a good one !! Thanks man, I needed a good laugh LOL!!
riiiiiighhhht...sorry, I speak several languages, but "bizarro babble" aint one of 'em..& besides, U still haven't explained how KB's fadeaway is better, despite him connecting "LESS FREQUENTLY" with "MORE" shot attempts in his career than MJ? C'mon "GENIUS", I'd love to hear some more bizarro logic to explain that LOL!!
Or better yet "Genius", here's a scenario for ya, not "ONLY" do I think Ben Wallace is the "Best" freethrow shooter in the game, I also think he's the best in the "History" of the game! LOL!! C'mon "Genius", prove me wrong! I wanna see how long it'll take that incomparable "Intellect" of yours to kick in & what method you'd use to refute my boasts of Wallace's FT prowess lol!!
just look at thier dammn fades and tell me who fades looks better and shit like i said kobe shoots more then jordan so that's why you all on jordan nuts like he is the best shooter ever
How stupid is that? LOL!! How can his fade be better, if he's copyin' MJ's & makes it less frequently? LOL!! & I never said he's the "best ever" at shootin', I "SAID" he's better than KB. In fact, show me another guard in the history of the game, who's a "CAREER" 50% shooter? & apparently, U "STILL" fail to grasp the "BASIC" concept of FG% i see. It's based on how many U "MAKE" not "TAKE" If u shoot 10 & make 5, that's 50%. If I take 20 & make 10, that's 50% & U say you're in college? LOL!! How?
I put U in the "SAME" category as KB42PAH, dudewheresmycar11 & staplesmagic.."ALL" of U R a bunch of dummies, who, the more u guys post, the less sense u make LOL!! & again, you're in college? LOL!! Who's college, the one where everyone rides the small buses? A copy of an original, that's "LESS" effective, is now "BETTER" than the original..yup, that's more of that "Bizarro" logic u got goin' for U LOL!!
LMAO u dumb ass i told you that last time it's base on how many you make, are you still trying to catch up to speed lol fg% is makes AND misses u ass put it like this. This is what am trying 2 say if i make all of my shots and finally i miss 1 that miss makes make fg% go down so misses make it up 2 u azz get yo head st8 lol
?????? it's base on how many you make and take. I get what you're saying, but misses make it up too. Like when you say 5-10 50% what if you miss another, it goes down, so both count
From '84-'89, he "ONLY" avg'd 3.7 dunks a game. In the 90's, it was 2.7.. So U mean to tell me, U attribute his "High" scoring to dunks & & layups, when A)he avg'd less than 5 dunks a game & B)Given the "no layup" rule of thumb during the mid 80's & early 90's, that sent many of players on the injured list, that's where his offense lays? Hahahahahahahahahahaha..that's mathematically impossible!!
Wow..that's a new one there. Well, it's like I said, U KB fans R like Tony The Tiger when it comes to makin' excuses for why KB's #'s don't measure up: GRRRRREEEEEAAAAAATTT!!! LOL!! Lmartin, u really shouldn' be callin' "ANYBODY" dumb..u can't even grasp the concept of "Basic" sentence structure..please..stop embarrasing yourself..
OK, during the 80's, he avg'd 3 dunks a game..that's "6" pts. On layups, he got about 4 to 5 of those, that's about 10 pts. Given the fact he's a "CAREER" 30 pt scorer, where the hell did the rest of the 14 to 15 pts come from? They sure as hell didn't "ALL" come from the FT line lol!! What you're suggesting is mathematically impossible! Y'all will say anything to keep from admitting the obvious: KB's "NOT" a better shooter, plain & simple..
U undermine your "OWN" argument of him having a "Great" fadeaway, by admittin' he takes "MORE" shots to get his pts. KB had 2 yrs where he avg'd 27 shots. MJ only 1, & the yr he did, MJ avg'd 37 pts on 51% FG. The 2 yrs KB did, he avgd 2 pts & 4 pts less than MJ on 46% & 43% FG%! No matter how many shots he "TAKES", the onus is "STILL" on the player to "MAKE" 'em & like "ALWAYS", when u put these 2 in the "SAME" scenario, MJ does it more consistently & accurately.
U damn Kobe fans R the Kings/Queens of excuses: "Michael has more because, Michael won more because, Michael could jump further because, Michael was more clutch because, Michael shot a better percentage because.." U just wanna say "shut the f*** up with the excuses man!.." LOL!! U clowns R the 1 group of sports "fools", not "fans" of the game, that "WILL NOT" admit the obvious when it's right in your face LOL!!
"Excuses R the tools of the incompetent, that builds monuments of nothingness & bridges to nowhere & those who specialize in 'em, will never amount to anything..not now, not ever"..I had to learn that back in my undergrad days while I was pledgin'..& it still rings true today!! Especially in regards to U KB fans lol!! Everytime y'all do that, u just make him look that much worse..
And lastly, just to prove just how absurd that "He took it to the rack more, thus his FG% is higher than KB's" excuse is, why is it that MJ's FG% between the yrs of '95-'98, u know those yrs past his prime & was primarily a jump shooter & didn't dunk quite as often, R "STILL" higher than KB's "CAREER" reg. season & playoff FG%? So what's the excuse this time? I know it'll be a good one lol!!
here you go again with all this bullshyt i mean dammn god all you do is crack jokes. I guess that's cause you are a joke, and you saying that i'm a kobe fan i just got respect for a great player like him and shyt from what i seen offensively and defensively he is the closes thing to jordan [ but iverson still tha best ]
Hey "Genius", Have u ever stopped to notice that "EVERY" last one of your posts have been based on your "OPINIONS"? All of 'em! You "NEVER" post anything that's substantiated by "FACTS", their "ALL" subjective & worse, U actually think you're makin' a valid point, that's why I laugh so much at u!! If what i've said is "bullshit" & i'm a joke, prove "ANYTHING" I've posted on this thread as inaccurate.. I'm waitin..
Dumb asses like U "NEVER" can refute anything a "REAL" fan of the sport has to say, because unlike U homers, we can back up what we say with the facts. We don't have to rely on a buch of "I think's", "If's" & "Coulda, Shoulda'..Woulda's".. Again, prove me wrong on this subject matter..
I actually feel sorry for kobe sometimes. Not because he doesn't measure up against MJ, few ppl do, but because he has "SO" many uninformed fans "TRYING" to argue on his behalf. It would be the equivalent of being on trial for murder & "KNOWING" u have "THE" most incompetent & uninformed attorney acting as lead counsel in your defense. I'd be embarrassed & afraid LOL!!
ok most things are based on what people think. You proved your point, but the fact of the matter is that your just one out of a million people with thier differences over this matter. I told you i that jordan is better, but i still think there are some areas kobe has surpassed jordan in.
Again, this is why U KB fans get "BURNED" by facts. Listen to your argument: "i still 'THINK' there are some areas kobe has surpassed jordan in." Well, "PROVE" it. "Opinions" arent "FACTS". & to make matters worse, when it's highlighted that your claims R false, U guys keep trying to insenuate it, as if u say it enough times, it'll magically become true lol!! Debating 101: "NEVER" bring opinions to a debate, u make yourself look foolish..
3 pt & FT shooting R the "ONLY" things KB has higher marks in than MJ, but it's "ONLY" by 1% in both areas.(FT: KB 86% > MJ 85%..3 ptr's: KB 33% > MJ 32%). Considering he's shot twice as many 3's as MJ, & has 'MORE' seasons at shooting it 'WORSE' than MJ, can u say he's better? Outside of those 2 areas, KB isn't anywhere close to MJ or on pace to match him, let alone "surpass" him as u say..
i know all of this you are talking about but we are not going 2 get a prize pack if we win this debate lol. We just saying who we think is better and i just know kobe is a better shooter
If u call being a "CAREER" 44% shooter & shooting "LESS" than 40% 1/3 of his career, VS someone who's a "CAREER" 50% shooter & has shot it 50% or "HIGHER" "6" different times "BETTER"..U truly R dumb as f**K LOL!!
This is why KB fans R the 1 group on YouTube, that "NOBODY" likes. U guys keep runnin' around sayin'KB's the 'Best' at this & that, but his career marks in those areas R either "WORSE" or at best "MARGINALLY" better than the person U claim he's so much better than. Even in the face of the facts, u fools keep tryin' to imply he's "BETTER"..U guys R a bunch morons LOL!! KB being your favorite player is one thing, but that's ridiculous..
What next? He's 'Better' at rebounding than Rodman? despite never avg'n more than 4 a game? Is he better at stealing the ball from the opposition than Stockton, despite never having won a steals title or avg'd more than 1 a game? U can't claim somone is better than another player at something, until their productivity in the area reflects they've done it better. Like I said, U guys R "THE" morons of YouTube LOL!!
lmao you act like we in a group or something am an allen iverson fan if you wanna kno since you saying we in a kobe group on youtube'. Like i said kobe is a better shooter. He shoots more then jordan. Jordan was a smarted player then kobe, jordan took hard shots but not like some of the shots kobe shoots but fuck this debate, i swear me and u been at this for some months lol who's your top 5 scores all-time moron of you tube lol
1st u cry foul about his shooting "MORE" being the cause for him being a "LESSER" shooter than MJ. Then U turn right around & say: "he's a 'BETTER' shooter, he just "shoots more.." lol! Damn man! Which is it? LOL!! Just like most KB fans, U contradict yourself & undermine your own arguments as being FALSE, by "YOUR" own illogical & silly logic.. U guys R a joke lol!!
That'd be like me saying Rick Barry was a "BETTER" leader of his championship team than Tim Duncan is of his, despite him leading his team to "ONLY" won 1 title. And when asked to actually prove it, my defense of my statement is: "I just KNOW he's a 'Better' leader of his title team..he's just won less than Duncan, but barry's better because I 'Think' he could've won more." lol!! Anyone with half a brain & common sense would laugh my ass out of the room with an absurd comment like that lol!!
MJ led a starting lineup of Brad Sellers, Dave Corzine, Sam Vincent, and Charles Oakley to 50 wins and the 2nd rd in 87-88 while winning mvp, def player of the year, and putting up a top 5 season "ALL TIME". That's also the yr he had 200 stls & 100 blks. Have U seen KB do "ANYTHING" remotely "CLOSE" to that?
Keep in mind, Pip didn't start his 1st 3 yrs & "ONLY" avg'd 8 pts in the reg. season & 10 in the playoffs. In '90, MJ led the bulls to 55 wins & Game 7 of the Conf Finals with Pip posting a PER of 16.3. The last 2 seasons for LA, Odom has PER's of 17 and 16.1, yet KB can't win more than 45 "OR" get past the 2nd round. Again, when put in similar scenarios, MJ does it better. What's KB's excuse?
& lastly, with Pippen playing much worse "THEN" than Odom is playing "NOW" & with a " MUCH WORSE" starting lineup than KB's "CURRENT" team, MJ "STILL" won 50 and made it to the 2nd round!! Sooner or later, U gonna have face reality..u can't stay in denial forever lol!!
Oh "i'm on his dick" for stating the fact of the matter..So u must be on KB's for big'n up him too! LOL!! I've never said KB isn't a great talent, but stickin' to the title of this video, MJ's equal or superior, he's not because his career avg's/accomplishments tell me he's not on pace to match him, much less pass him.
MJ managed to compile in "2" yrs, an avg that's virtually "IDENTICAL" to KB's career marks in both his reg season "AND" playoffs avg's. I'm dying to hear u explain or rather try & 'Excuse' this lol! No "better teamates" to use as an excuse this time lol!!
Well when you have Shaq if not the BEST center ever one of the beswt. HE WAS THE NUMBER ONE OPTION. Kobe always had the best guys defending him. Career thats his career, kobe was with Shaq the triangle ran through him, now that Kobe is alone he has more time to unleash the beast in him
Well, Magic played with Jabbar & avg'd "MORE" pts a game than Jabbar did between '87-'89, (3 yrs stretch as well) with Jabbar being the focal point, while shooting 50% or "HIGHER" all 3 of those seasons. If KB's the "Greatest", why didn't he do these things with shaq? & I "DARE" U to say Jabbar wasn't dominant considering he's the "ALL TIME leading scorer "AND" had the most "UNSTOPPABLE" shot in the 'HISTORY' of the game..
Just like most KB fans, your "ENTIRE" argument, is based "SOLELY" on your "OPINION" on what U "Think" he can do. What U "Think" he may do, or "Should" be able to do, but "NEVER" on what he's actually "DONE" or "CONSISTENTLY DOES". U guys undermine your "Own" arguments LOL!!
"Kobe always had the best guys defending him.." & what, MJ didn't? MJ was by "FAR" the most double & triple teamed player in the "Modern Era" of the game & "STILL" put up superior #'s to KB, Before Pippen & Co. "AND" during the Title yrs. U guys & your lame excuses LOL!!..
kobe use 2 suck in his early years he wasn't good as he is now kobe is like 50 x better now well all kno that but am saying if u were down 3 and u needed sum 1 2 take tha shot who would u take kobe now or mj in his bulls years ?
MJ has the most known game winning shots of any player in NBA history. He has by far the highest "CONVERSION" rate in the clutch. I'll let U figure out who I'd pick LOL!!
dude teammates have sum results on how u shot not much but if you have better teammates you dont HAVE TO TAKE AS MANY SHOTS but if you have sorry ass teammates U HAVE TO SHOOT WAY MORE SHOTS LIKE KOBE DOES NOW BUT AM NOT TRIPPING ABOUT WHO'S BETTER AND WHO'S NOT WE ALL KNO JORDAN BETTER BUT IN MY OPINION KOBE HAS A BETTER OUTSIDE GM NOW JUST CAUSE OF THE ROLE THAT HE HAD 2 STEP UP CAUSE OF THE LACK OF HELP
"sorry teamates"? try looking at the bulls the 3 yrs "BEFORE" pip & grant arrived. In those yrs, MJ took less shots than what KB takes now & shot it better. KB's been taking 15+ shots since his 3rd year, he even had 2 seasons where he "AVERAGED" 27 shots a game..MJ's "CAREER" avg of shots per game, is 21 & the year he "DID" take 27 shots a game, he averaged 37 pts on 51% shooting, the 2 years KB took 27 shots a game, he averaged 2 pts less than MJ's scoring avg on 45% & 46% shooting LOL!!
Sooner or later y'all gonna have to face reality. U can't keep duckin' the "OBVIOUS" forever. If kobe had the superior perimeter game, his #'s would reflect it, but they don't because he DOESN'T. It's just that plain & simple.
Now bruh, if u "STILL" can't see that KB isn't the superior shooter, you're in some serious denial. Again, this guy has shot the ball less than 40% for 1/3 of his career!! It's illogical on u guys' part to continue to keep saying he's better than MJ at shooting the ball when the FACTS R staring u right in the face..
I mean, C'mon KB fans..how do y'all explain this? How can u guys go on believing this guy is a "great" shooter, who's perimeter game is supposed to be "superior" to MJ's with piss poor "CAREER" %'s like these? LOL!! That's a joke & a bad one at that..
The fact of the matter is that "BOTH" his shooting %'s & his scoring output "DROP" & gets worse in the playoffs than they are in the regular season. That's the "BIGGEST" difference between KB & MJ. MJ's averages in those 2 categories go "UP" in the playoffs..
i never should kobe was just on jordan level but who is closer ????? he has to shoot up more shots cuz of tha lack of other good players on his team b serious wen have u ever seen jordan make a spinning 3 pointer over 2 ppl ... .... waiting but jordan is better but kobe has a better shot from ranggggggeeeeee]]]]] _____-range far like 3 range is wat am saying and he's midrange is comparable 2 jordan just look how they shoot look at kobe's form and jordan almost alike
And again, maybe u don't understand the basic concept of shooting %, but if KB has a better long range shot than MJ, his shooting % would reflect it..it's that plain & simply. It's not logically possible to say someone's a better shooter from any range, but their shooting % from that range says otherwise.
It's funny u mention spinning jumpers over 2 defenders from that range. 1 of the next games i plan on uploading is against boston in '90, he does it twice in one game alone. That's just one of the many examples of him doin' stuff like that. The problem with some of kids, u think because u haven't seen him do it, he's not capable of it & when someone shows u proof, u try to find some other excuse to try & explain away the obvious..don't worry, give me time, i'll upload for u..
Amnd mimicking MJ's "shooting form" doesn't mean he's comparable to MJ..If KB consistently shot the ball with same degree of accuracy, "THEN" u can make those boasts about his shot being comparable to MJ's. But he clearly hasn't..not when he's shot the ball less than 1/3 of his career..
And why do u keep trying to scapegoat his teamates for his anemic shooting? His shooting % accurately measures how well "HE" shoots from the floor. This is an individual stat, what does his team have to do with that?..Nothing. If that's the case, one could blame their teamates for poor free throw shooting too LOL!! Now If we were debating why his assts to turnover ratio is low, then yeah you'd be able to use his teamtes as a scapegoat..
Again, u can't keep professing KB's a better shooter from behind the 3 pt arc, when for his "CAREER", he's only managed to to best MJ by 1% & while shooting it "MORE" times than MJ with "LESS" accuracy. Sorry, he's not "BETTER" than MJ from there, he justs shoots "MORE" LOL!!
Whats the song that is played when he is talking about fadeaways? Can someone tell me? Thanks =D
muonline5566 3 years ago
Sweetbox - Everything's gonna be alright
cjk21 3 years ago
Actually, its not. Its a classic by Johann Sebastian Bach, titled "Air"
muonline5566 2 years ago
michael jordan is the best n dun ever compare him with kobe
dreamlover91 3 years ago
The second greatest shot of all-time, behind Kareem's skyhook.
abudi20 4 years ago
he is the best forever an ever yeah michael jordan rules!!!!!
snipersnakes 4 years ago 2
Jordans fade was unstoppable
MJisReaL23 4 years ago 2
He received a bounce pass.
muonline5566 4 years ago
1:59-2:03 i think he drbble the ball twice
koulis3 4 years ago
haha yea he did!!! refs suck
0scar92 3 years ago
he did!!! michael fordan cheated o.0
katon345 3 years ago
Muchae is the man.
lillynine 4 years ago
who the fukk is muchae? this is a MICHAEL JORDAN mix/
KB240705 4 years ago
no room for comparison.
different era, different style of playing.
compare kobe with lebron, wade but never jordan.
weixing1989 4 years ago
jordan jakulero!!!
rostan83 4 years ago
Look we obviously disagree on things im pretty old and you are too, I love Mike and 80s and 90s, i respect players from this era and back then. Lets just agree to disgree we've been going at this for days, So i just respect you, and this is stupid.
kvsm23vs24 4 years ago
I realize what your saying, But look so if There is a Kid speaks fluent Spanish, and another an english native. So thet take tests and the English scores higher because he studied and The fluent one was not as good on the test. Does that mean the english kid knows more spanish?
kvsm23vs24 4 years ago
It means he's "BETTER" at taking "THAT" test then the spanish student..period. To suggest the opposite is asanine..
blackadam06 4 years ago
You do realize that other countries back then were barely about basketball, it was not as big as it is now. They used to honestly suck, Europe was ok but nothing compared to the NBA.
kvsm23vs24 4 years ago
What? Then how do U explain those Great Lithuanian, Yugoslovian & Brazillian teams that "DOMINATED" International play? why do U think they summoned the Dream Team? It's because they were kickin' everybody's ass, including ours, left & right in international play! They weren't about B-Ball..Yeah right! Those were great teams & their success proved it! U should've seen Sabonis B4 both achilles tendons were ruptured & how he utterly 'Dominated' the U.S. in '88.
blackadam06 4 years ago
I'm trying to understand U guys logic of someone being "Better" at a certain aspect of B-Ball, despite "Consistently" posting "Lower" marks in that area than him. If Student A 'Regularly' has a low G.P.A & Test Scores than Student B, who Routinely "IS" on the Dean's list & "Consistently" has 3.5 - 4.0 G.P.A & 'Consistently' scores in 90 percentile or 'Higher' on his tests, how can U claim Student A is 'The' "BETTER" student? That's what U guys sound like with these proclamations..
blackadam06 4 years ago
Ray allen and Kerr are not equivelent, Kerr was more of a spot up shooter, He also went around the pic to get a shot. Allen crates his shot on isolation pull up and shoot, Kg and Howard can Rebound quite as well, but i like Rodman so i dont even trip, you act like if i dont like the 90s, i LOVED the 80s, basketball not as much fun.
kvsm23vs24 4 years ago
Kobe is an awesome player, but to compare him to Jordan and actually believe he is better? That's border line retarded.
AriusDion 4 years ago
Your putting words onto my mouth. Did i ever once tell you i was a fan? you like using your percentages facts but how bout the numbers, 81 career, 63 in 3, 12-3s, 55 ina half, the 50s the 40s, You should not always base your statements on facts, Watch a game and see the degree of difficulty his shots are. the doubles the triples, and he doesnt have that Legend on his team that could do it all and score 40+, have 10 rebounds and 10 assists to rely on, and wanted to be the man
kvsm23vs24 4 years ago
We're not supposed to base what a player actually has "DONE" on FACTS? You're jokin' right? I "DO" watch the game & lemme' tell U what the FACTS tell me: "ONLY" 9 out of his 22 "50" PT games, came against teams that were .500 or better (41%). 31 of MJ's 39 "50" pt games were against teams with .500 or better records (80%). Sorry, U stick to subjective opinions, I'll stick to the facts..
blackadam06 4 years ago
In '88, the NBA actually tried to stop MJ with an "Anti-Isolation Rule." It disallowed 2 players from gathering at the FT line with a perimater player at the 3 point line. This was to limit MJ's 1-1 onslaught from '87 & it was nicknamed the "Michael Jordan Rules". He joined Mikan & Wilt, as the only players with rules designed to limit "THEM". While Mikan and Wilt had the NBA adjust to their size, MJ had the NBA adjusting to his skill..
blackadam06 4 years ago
KB has no help huh? OK, MJ's Wizard yrs, he had little help & "STILL" managed to post avg's over "2" yrs that R virtually "IDENTICAL" to KB's "CAREER" avg's in both his Reg. Season "AND" Playoff marks & he was 40 on a bad knee, well past his prime!
MJ's "WIZARDS" avgs: 21 ppg, 4 apg & 4 rpg "42% FG"
KB "FINALS" avgs: 22.1 ppg, 4 apg, 5 rpg, "41.6% FG"
KB "CAREER" avgs: 24.4 ppg, 4.3 apg, 5.1 rpg, "45% FG"
Notice the similarities?
blackadam06 4 years ago
And if it's all about having help, MJ won titles with 2 different teams. The only constant being Scottie! KB had "3" Hall of Famers & "STILL" couldn't win in '04 & might I add, put up HORRIBLE #'s in the Finals that yr by "REFUSING" to feed shaq, the highest scoring center in finals history & 1 of the few ppl, who's scored 30 pts in "EVERY" game of the finals he was in. KB shot them out of the Finals that yr (38%) on 20+ shots LOL!! That's crazy!!
blackadam06 4 years ago
"LoL" Malone hmmm like about 40 with a messed up knee who didnt even play in the last game, The glove yeah like 35 who was not even comfertable in the Tri, Shaq was my boy but got whipped by Wallace, Kobe did shoot a lot, his teammates should man up and ask for the ball, Scottie as well would want the ball, like Mike was tenacious going to the rim.
kvsm23vs24 4 years ago
Yeah when he asked for the ball the whole time, his own teammates said he always wanted the ball, and a season is always better than a career #s,
kvsm23vs24 4 years ago
Yeah i kno and do you think that if Kobe, Lebon, Wade, Ai, T-mac etc. were in that era it wouldnt be different?
kvsm23vs24 4 years ago
Still putting words in my mouth, see you like to use %s, but dont see their high scoring games, how much they scored how frequently against who, Pretty much all teams had good records back then, Kobe would be killing them,or lebron Wade, etc.
kvsm23vs24 4 years ago
You'd give a guy "Legendary/G.O.A.T" status based on a "Season" & not look at what they've 'CONSISTENTLY' done for their 'CAREER'? LOL!! R U Serious? You're Jokin' right? & as far as "high scoring games", I know who he's scored against & what the teams records were..the boxscores tell me that. Most of his high scoring games, come against "POOR" teams & those R the 'FACTS' of the matter..
blackadam06 4 years ago
U honestly believe, KB would 'Dominate' in "THE" most 'Defensive' era ever, when they played bruising & extremely aggressive defense, where hand checkin' was legal, & he can't even manage to shoot higher than 46% under a "perimeter friendly" defensive regime, that was implemented to accomodate & increase scoring because they wanted to get away from the slow/defensive style of the mid 80's & 90's to make the game aesthetically pleasing to the casual fan..
blackadam06 4 years ago
Kobe has shot "WORSE" than his team 9 out of 11 seasons! He has to shoot 'Twice' as many shots, just to even begin to offensively be compared to MJ & couple that with the physical/bruising & highly aggressive defense of that era, "ESPECIALLY" during the playoffs, U think he'd "DOMINATE"? LOL!! He can't even 'Consistently' dominate "NOW"!! Do U hear yourself bruh?..LOL!!
blackadam06 4 years ago
I enjoy watchin' the brotha play. But when U guys try & compare him to MJ, all U do is "OVERRATE" him. There's a difference between a "Great Player" & a "Legend/G.O.A.T"..those R 'Entirely' 2 different mediums of player(s). KB has "Too" many gaping deficiencies in his resume to make those kind of comparisons. I've often said, he's the A-Rod of the NBA..he puts up 'DECIEVINGLY' good #'s in the reg season & they get worse in the plyoffs where it matters most..
blackadam06 4 years ago
Is KB more 'Physically Gifted' than some of the guys from that era? Hell Yes, no doubt! But "Skill" & "Physical Ability" R 2 different things. It takes the combination of both to 'Dominate'. Case in point, Reggie Miller, not the most physically gifted player, but he's a 'CAREER' 48% shooter. I'm pretty sure if u took him from '87 & put him in '07, he'd 'STILL' shoot a high % & the 3 pt line was back "FURTHER" then. Shooting is a 'SKILL', not a 'Physical Ability'..
blackadam06 4 years ago
Yeah i guess Mj a better and and more cosistent shooter than reggie since Mj shoots about 49%?
kvsm23vs24 4 years ago
Look i do respect you for you appeasing to MJ, i said hes the greatest, but once people, start talking smack on a great player that pushes it.
kvsm23vs24 4 years ago
He has to shoot twice as many shots to score like Jordan? Jordan attempted around 20k shot in 13 seasons, Kobe about 15k in 11. unless kobe shoots about 5k the next 2 yrs to reach 20k and double that to get 40k shots yeah he shoots twice as much to score for whom MJ has about 30k points and Kobe 19k point, and Jordan had more minutes per game, way more games played and started
kvsm23vs24 4 years ago
Are you serious? Men in this era are stronger faster and better. look i lived the 80s and 90s, yes they were aggressive, but your making it seem like they fought, I just know they were smaller, not in height but in physical appearance
kvsm23vs24 4 years ago
Y do you keep putting words into my mouth? when have i said id say who is the best by their season, are you serious you just try to make me say what you say.
kvsm23vs24 4 years ago
If players today R better, WHY ISN'T IT REFLECTED IN THEIR AVERAGES? If they're better, why 'DON'T' they have "HIGHER" FG %'s, FT %'s, Rebs avg's? "Higher" assts avg's, etc.? How can u claim someone is 'BETTER' at something, but their avg's vs the PPL U claim their better than, R 'SIGNIFICANTLY' "LOWER" than theirs? That's impossible! Players today R "Marginally" better physically, but not better players..
blackadam06 4 years ago
That would be the equivalent of me saying Ray Allen is a "better" 3-pt shooter than Steve Kerr because he's "bigger, faster & stronger" than him, but his production in that area doesn't compare. To discredit how good someone is or was because of what era they played in is absurd! Scoring & shooting is a skill, not a physical ability! I'm pretty sure having a 48' vertical leap & runnin' a 4.3 in the 40, is the same in '07 as it was in '87..
blackadam06 4 years ago
U guys just don't get it LOL!! U guys 'CONISITENTLY' confuse "Physical Ability" with "Skill". Why do U think Duke has been able to kick da s*** outta teams with FAR better 'Physical' Talents than them? Why do U think for a # of yrs now, we've been gettin' our asses handed to us in olympic/internt'l play? Being stronger/faster 'DOESN'T' make U a better player! It can "ONLY" enhance your skill, "IF" U have a "HIGH" level of skill to begin with..
blackadam06 4 years ago
Where those "Bigger & Stronger" players of the 90's, "Better" at rebounding than Rodman? Or did it help those in the 80's be a "Better" player than Bird? Hell No! That's the problem with the league now, most of the players are "All" athlete & no "SKILL" & it shows in their poor FT %'s, FG%'s, etc..That's "WHY" they put the no-handcheck rule in place..to "INCREASE" scoring! In the words of Barkley: "They've made the game easy for bad players.."
blackadam06 4 years ago
Tell me how kobe got those 50 games, and 9 40s in a row when he had the best center at that time and arguably the best ever? your probably going to come up with an excuse that he balhogs. Kobe has a good streak of 50s these 3 years, Kobe will most likely pass MJ of 50 games. In which MJ was THE man his career and Kobe had Shaq for 3/4 of his.
kvsm23vs24 4 years ago
'Dominant Centers' make the game "EASIER" for wings & forwards due to the 'Constant' double/Triple teaming. If anything, his #'s should've been 'Better' than what they "Currently" R! In '07 "ALONE", he had "1" playoff game where he shot 50%. He also had "51" games "UNDER" 50% & a "TON" of sub 40% games. Hell, the 'Majority' of his games this yr, he outscored his pt totals, with shot attempts! If y'all can't see that's "NOT" efficient scoring, somethin' is wrong with y'all..
blackadam06 4 years ago
I mean C'mon Kobe/Laker fans, if you're 'MAIN' offensive guy is taking "OVER" 20 shots a game, U "NEED" him to shot 50% or better or you're not gonna beat "ANY" good teams. Considering he has "5" teamates that shoot a "Higher" FG% from the floor than him, U guys don't think something needs to change?
blackadam06 4 years ago
KB's "CAREER" shooting %'s
Sub-48%: REG SEASON: 470 (60% of games) -- PLAYOFFS: 84 (64% of games)
Sub-46%: REG SEASON: 417 (53% of games) -- PLAYOFFS: 73 (56% of games)
Sub-44%: REG SEASON: 353 (45% of games) -- PLAYOFFS: 64 (49% of games)
Sub-42%: REG SEASON: 307 (39% of games) -- PLAYOFFS: 53 (40% of games)
No LEGEND "CONSISTENTLY" posts #'s that R "WORSE" in the PLAYOFFS than they R in the REG SEASON! A LEGEND'S #'s go "UP" when it MATTERS the MOST..
blackadam06 4 years ago
"THAT'S" the STANDARD that REAL FANS hold KB to, like we do all the "OTHER" LEGENDS who've "EARNED" that title. If U guys R intent on claiming he's "BETTER" than MJ, U "MUST" hold him to the incredibly "HIGH" standard/precedent MJ set as a player. If you're not willing to do that, than your entire argument is irrelevant, because it's subjective..i.e., an "Opinion". And opinions "AREN'T" FACTS, but "CAREER" avg's 'ARE'..
blackadam06 4 years ago
Have you seen basketball? your like 20, basing the best by stats. You do realize, Kobe came in where Shaq was starting his prime, Kid Go watch some classics. Jordan was a ball hog as well, he got assists since his team was descent and made shot when he passed,Kobe does have many of the worst 50s, but my boy did have 4 50s in a row, which only Wilt has done more, and scored more in a game. Dont even trip, i know MJ is the best
kvsm23vs24 4 years ago
I watched Magic & Bird play for the NCAA Title Game. I can assure U, I haven't been a "kid" in a long time. I've seen his career from college to retirement, all 3 times. and those "STATS" U homers try so hard to discredit, 'ACCURATELY' tells us what a player actually 'DID' on the floor.
blackadam06 4 years ago
MJ a "Ball Hog"? He avg'd "MORE" assists the 3 yrs B4 Pip & Co., than he did during any of their title runs & this was on a team that "ONLY" won 27 games B4 he arrived! Where's this "descent" team U speak of?
blackadam06 4 years ago
Kobe has "51" games in his "CAREER" where he had "0" assists. MJ "ONLY" has "6" in 14 yrs of play. In fact, '97 was the yr he had his 1st game like that. That's 13 "STRAIGHT" yrs with at least "1" assist! Given the guys KB has played with over the yrs & his record for games with no assits, U got the nerve to call MJ a "Ball Hog"? That's a joke!!
blackadam06 4 years ago
U morons act as if STATS R just some #'s made up outta' thin air. Since U fools think they aren't relevant, OK..Ben Wallace is a "BETTER" FT shooter than kobe..he "NEVER" scored 81 pts & he's "NEVER" avg'd more than 10 pts a game for his career. And oh yeah, Steve Nash is a 'BETTER' defender..Now prove me wrong. & I'm curious to see 'HOW' you're gonna do it, since y'all think Stats R irrelevant & don't prove anything..
blackadam06 4 years ago
And since U want to mention 50 pt games:
Games with 50 pts & less than 10 FT attempts: MJ 3 > KB 0
50 pt games with under 50% shooting:
MJ 1 of his 31 games (15-31, 48%)
KB 6 of his 22 games
50 pt games with under 45% shooting:
MJ 0 > KB 3
50 pt Playoff Games: MJ 8 > KB 1
blackadam06 4 years ago
U can come up with as many uninformed, lame excuses as u want & U can kick that ignorant nonsense to these equally ignorant ass KB 'homers' because they're fans of him, not the game. But "REAL" fans of the sport itself know what's up. Unlike U clowns, we can rely on FACTS because they substantiate what MJ actually has done & not our "OPINION" of what he coulda' shoulda' woulda', like y'all...
blackadam06 4 years ago
& lastly since you're "SO" allergic to STATS:
20 FG made & 60%+ shooting: MJ 15 > KB 3
15 FG made & 60%+ shooting: MJ 77 > KB 17
15 FG made & 50%+ shooting: MJ 174 > KB 45
Kobe can score like MJ "ONLY" when he shoots "TWICE" as many shots as him. His "CAREER" FG% tells u that..That's the "ONLY" way someone who's shot "LESS" than 40% 1/3 of his "CAREER" can pull that off..
blackadam06 4 years ago
Now "U" should take your "OWN" advice & go "watch some classic games". Because clearly, you're just as uninformed as the rest of these silly kids regarding kobe in relation to MJ..
blackadam06 4 years ago
did i ever say, Kobe was not a ballhog, learn to read kid. I know he is, i have the decsency to admitt, unlike Jordan fans cant get rid of the fact that there are better
kvsm23vs24 4 years ago
Did i ever say anything about Pip? Orlando, could shoot, Paxson, Corzine, Ice, that tall guy forgot his name was a rokie in 85-86, why dont you look him up for me since MJ lovers just go check out his stats, because he does have GREAT stats, but cant tell people about the games and the variety of difficult shots he takes and the teams he had
kvsm23vs24 4 years ago
Obviously one season is better than a whole career, if you use the numbers.seriously kobe is the best scorer you act like you know im a true Kobe fan, i just no talent, Kobe is doing tons of his damage these years of scoring in which MJ took his career, i seen MJ play, i just dont look at the stats and say who is better, if i did i guess i would say, Bill is the best. i love Jordan but i respect game.
kvsm23vs24 4 years ago
Really? Well, where's "ALL THIS DAMAGE" taking place at? Because If it really happened, those 'Stats' U homers try so hard to disregard, would reflect it. Those stats accurately tell me what he actually "DID" on the floor! KB's best yr shooting was this yr at 46%..that ties MJ's "WORSE" yr as a bull, in which shot 46% playing the whole yr with a torn ligament in the index finger of his shooting hand! Again, where did all this dmamge take place?
blackadam06 4 years ago
The "MAJORITY" of KB's 50 pt outburst R achievements of "VOLUME" shooting, not "EFFICIENCY". But these aren't flukes either! In terms of shooting, KB "7" of the 15 worst, & "10" of the 25 worst 50 pt games since '86. That's "HALF" of his 50 pt efforts! MJ "ONLY" has "1" 50 pt game in his "CAREER" under 50% shooting.
blackadam06 4 years ago
Out of KB's 22 50+ pt games, only "9" came against teams with .500 or better records: 41%. Out of Jordan's 39 50+ pt games, "31" came against teams with .500 or better records: 80%.
blackadam06 4 years ago
Career "PLAYOFF" avg
MJ: 33.45ppg 50%fg% 6.4rpg 5.7apg 2.1spg .88bpg
KB: 23.3ppg 44%fg% 4.9rpg 4.5apg 1.3spg .7bpg
Career Avg's
MJ: 30ppg 6rpg 6apg 50%fg%
KB: 24ppg 5rpg 4apg 44%fg%
MJ: #1 in All Time PPG & #3 All Time scorer.
KB: Uhh..LOL!!!
Yeah, it sure looks like KB the 'Better' scorer to me too LOL!!
blackadam06 4 years ago
Hope your not a girl, dont know many guys who write, "lol"
kvsm23vs24 4 years ago
MJ's fade away is a work of art. So smooth. Truly the greatest.
AriusDion 4 years ago
GREAT VID !! thank u
ibrahemz 4 years ago
Kobe and MJ have nothin in common. Except perhaps: the early years of Jordan in NBA comparable to Kobe's entire career as for the kind of playing the game. Kobe is such a egoist player. He don't wanna good players around him. It must be all by himself.
Where is the team at 81 points? If I had been there on the court with kobe at this game I would have said to him: have a nice day I'm gonna go home, you'll make it alone, i'm pretty sure. Bye.
Aelbereth 4 years ago
Ummm yeah when they were losing by 18 to the Raptors, and he was scoring and no one else did i guess Kobe should just go home too
kvsm23vs24 4 years ago
The Bulls only won 27 games B4 MJ. He as a rookie, led his team in Pts, Assts, Stls & Blks, makin' him the "ONLY" Player/Rookie in "HISTORY" to lead his team in 4 of 5 categories. He put up #'s in the 3 yrs B4 Pippen & Co., that R "BETTER" than KB's "CAREER" marks. & 'THAT' bulls team makes the 'CURRENT' Lakers look like the '96 Bulls. Sorry, there R no comparisons. No matter how many wack excuses U guys keep comin' up with, the FACTS will keep provin' U guys wrong..
blackadam06 4 years ago
Look Jordan is the best but Not of all time i really think Magic is but really no one is. For me i really think kobe is the best scorer ever. And look field goal percentage was high those times. % doesnt tell you who you really are. you a GM Nash and Dirk have higher % than kobe, you in the finals who would you rather have take a shot AGAINST you, or for you. Honestly come on now. you gonna look at the % or really see their history in the clutch.
kvsm23vs24 4 years ago
How can KB be the "Best Scorer" ever when he's not even in the 10 All Time in Points Per Game? He only has 2 scoring titles in going on 12 yrs! LOL! If he were the best scorer ever, it would be reflected in his career offensive avgs & accolades. What part of this do y'all not get?
blackadam06 4 years ago
The reason guys had a "Higher" FG% back then, was because they were "BETTER" shooters! Period. Shooting is a 'SKILL', not a physical ability. And to claim MJ's FG% is "Higher" because he shot mostly "layups & dunks", is not only false, it's absurd! And FG% "DOES" tell U who the true marksmen R when it comes to shooting. Think not? OK, Ben Wallace is a "BETTER" jump shooter than kobe..prove me wrong! And I'm curious to see how your gonna do it..
blackadam06 4 years ago
And yeah, I "WILL" look at percentages in the clutch:
Game winning shots
MJ: 33 out of 58 attempts (56.9%)
KB: 7 out of 32 attempts (21.9%)
If U can look at that & claim he's "clutch", u MUST be crazy LOL!! KB hasn't made a game winning shot since the 2005-06 season..
blackadam06 4 years ago
It's funny, when PPL talk about "ALL" the other Great Players in 'ANY' sport, their superior STATS, IMPACT ON THE GAME, INDIVIDUAL & TEAM ACCCOLADES etc., they've accumulated, "JUSTIFIES" them being called a "Legend", but when it comes to kobe, U guys will say: "That stuff doesn't mean anything" LOL!! So lemme' get this straight, for the sake of comparing him to MJ..KB's the "ONLY" player in "HISTORY" whose 'TRUE' abilities 'AREN'T' reflected in any of the criteria mentioned above?
blackadam06 4 years ago
If he's "just as good" or 'Better' than MJ, WHY ISN'T IT REFLECTED IN HIS CAREER MARKS & INDIVIDUAL ACCOLADES? U KB fans R the "ONLY" group of PPL I've ever seen that'll imply that your favorite player is 'Better' than someone else, despite the 'FACT' that he 'CONSISTENTLY' fields 'LOWER' marks than them. That'd be like me trying to argue Steve Nash is a 'Better' defender then Kobe, despite the FACT Nash doesn't have a defensive resume to back up my claims LOL!! How idiotic does that sound?
blackadam06 4 years ago
Look J has shot 24,537 made 12,345= 49%, Kobe shot 14,760 made 6,681=45%, yeah Jordan is GREAT. Thng i dont like to compare bout j and KB is j mostly did layups and kobe shots, shots are way more tougher.J once he got in the paintt was either a foul or a gimme, one defenders layd back cuz like i said usually a foul the league was in love with MJ, a little same with Kobe with a foul in the act of shooting but likely, IM NO JORDAN HATER. I seen both careers so far.
kvsm23vs24 4 years ago
People with facts are STUPID check em. Put it like this 4/4=100% 3/4=75%. that is 25% taken off for missing one shot!!!!!!
kvsm23vs24 4 years ago
You are stupid, man how old are you? A nba player makes many shots in their season, and the more shots the person makes, the less percentage is taken off for missing one, unless you are consistently "missing shots", use ur brain u dumb fuck and get a better education
Hawkhunter07 4 years ago
My piont stupid i just put it in a smaller perspective so idiots like you can see.
kvsm23vs24 4 years ago
whats the point of putting it in a smaller perspective when the statistics of the NBA dont'work like this? whats the point of pointing out that 25% is taken off for missing one shot when an average nba player makes WAY more shots than that? you're an idiot for even pointing that out
Hawkhunter07 4 years ago
ok then let me put it like tis.15/30=50%, 14/30=46%. now 4% is being taken out. J has shot 49% for his career. So far Kobe 45%. Just plug in the numbers instead of 4/4 or 3/4 and itsthe same so stop being a dumbass and plug in the #s
kvsm23vs24 4 years ago
dumbass
clearwind 4 years ago
Jordan of course is one of the best stupid. thats why he did put up good numbers he had a shitty team as well. so he did the work. if kobe started the same way Jordan did he would have way better numbers.Js team not worst than Lakers now. which by me being a laker fan i hate to say we suck cant play D fo shit. Kwame is garbage. Jordan had Oakley who can ball, Orlando great scorer, paxson great shooter, coming up pip, Grant great everything on D, Cartwright alright
kvsm23vs24 4 years ago
Did i ever say any thing about Jordan, Kareem, or Magic. your stupid go to school kid learn how to read, instead of being a nerd and seeing all the facts go out there and PLAY THE GAME. see how hard it is. Thats why Kobe got the millions of fans and money and you living with yo mommy with a minimum wage job. go play on the streets lets see what you got. dont hate on players when you cant even touch NBA, NCAA, or highschool ball. Kobe so good straight to the NBA
kvsm23vs24 4 years ago
I know Kobe puts his heart in it. Critisized all the time. Passes "he should shoot more" shoots more "he should pass more." I know kobe can average forty. I bet money he can touch 100.
kvsm23vs24 4 years ago
Yes i am a Kobe fan, a Laker fan, a baketball fan. dont hate on the player that brings joy to people or who makes people want to hate him. Yeah people did start making Kob the vocal point for the NBA.Now its changed its all bout Bron and wade (i think are amazing as well)officials dont even like him he gets the worst call as well as shaq did. He waves his is arm automatic suspention. WTF.
kvsm23vs24 4 years ago
First of all idont care if Magic is better since i think he is the G.O.A.T. second i never said kobe is the greatest. so now o.k shaq uummmm was in his prme (and i think is one of the best centers ever)it tok him bout 8 yrs to win a chip. Kareem was past due WAY over his prime. and what mean didnt do any of this with shaq what shaq averaged like a point more during the championship seasons.
kvsm23vs24 4 years ago
MJ's fadeways will alwayz be better than kobes
aznsoysauce 4 years ago
bullshyt kobe fade is better now just look at at
Lmartin31 4 years ago
Lmartin, U R such a Moron LOL!! U still just don't get it do u? LOL!! That's ridiculous..
blackadam06 4 years ago
y every time i leave a comment u show up u still on my dick y is that hoe azz nigga cuz u hate that fact that kobe fade looks better i mean c'mon look at their fades
Lmartin31 4 years ago
1st of all, learn how to spell & speak in complete sentences. 2nd of all, how can a carbon copied fadeaway, be better than the original, especially since the original 1 connected on 50% on his fadeaway for his "CAREER", but the copy has only connected on 44% for his? Just like most KB fans, your comments make no sense & U sound like a complete moron..
blackadam06 4 years ago
& usin the "N" word everytime u speak, "FURTHER" highlights how clowns like u misrepresent our ppl. If i could, I'd slap da shit outta ya ass for perpetuating those dumb ass stereotypes. It's like that brotha NYOIL said in his video."ALL" U ignorant, coonin' & shinin' ass buffoons should get lynched for misrepresentin' our ppl on YouTube..
blackadam06 4 years ago
And that's from the heart son..
blackadam06 4 years ago
u dumb azz is u an enligsh teacher or sum 10 i don't have to spell right fo u son so wat u talking bout yo am graduated and am from in college so shyt y i need 2 do shyt fo u lol this tha internet bro we on youtube lol u act like we getting graded lol
Lmartin31 4 years ago
If your in college, I'm an engineer LOL!! What was that comment again? Are you the cartoon character Bizzaro? "me am from in college" LOL!! I have no problem with people talkin' to me in ANY vernacular, but your comments "LITERALLY" make no sense at all LOL!!
blackadam06 4 years ago
And you have the nerve to call someone "Dumb"? LOL!! That's a joke!! And a bad one at that LOL!!
blackadam06 4 years ago
"iz u an english teacher?" "..wat u talkin' bout yo am graduated.." LOL!!But I'm dumb though? LOL!! Hahahahahahahahahahahahaha..Oh shit that was a good one !! Thanks man, I needed a good laugh LOL!!
blackadam06 4 years ago
dammn u that dumb u can't understand what i'm saying i mean dammn dumb ass people are all over the net know and you are 1 of the few lol
Lmartin31 4 years ago
riiiiiighhhht...sorry, I speak several languages, but "bizarro babble" aint one of 'em..& besides, U still haven't explained how KB's fadeaway is better, despite him connecting "LESS FREQUENTLY" with "MORE" shot attempts in his career than MJ? C'mon "GENIUS", I'd love to hear some more bizarro logic to explain that LOL!!
blackadam06 4 years ago
Or better yet "Genius", here's a scenario for ya, not "ONLY" do I think Ben Wallace is the "Best" freethrow shooter in the game, I also think he's the best in the "History" of the game! LOL!! C'mon "Genius", prove me wrong! I wanna see how long it'll take that incomparable "Intellect" of yours to kick in & what method you'd use to refute my boasts of Wallace's FT prowess lol!!
blackadam06 4 years ago
just look at thier dammn fades and tell me who fades looks better and shit like i said kobe shoots more then jordan so that's why you all on jordan nuts like he is the best shooter ever
Lmartin31 4 years ago
How stupid is that? LOL!! How can his fade be better, if he's copyin' MJ's & makes it less frequently? LOL!! & I never said he's the "best ever" at shootin', I "SAID" he's better than KB. In fact, show me another guard in the history of the game, who's a "CAREER" 50% shooter? & apparently, U "STILL" fail to grasp the "BASIC" concept of FG% i see. It's based on how many U "MAKE" not "TAKE" If u shoot 10 & make 5, that's 50%. If I take 20 & make 10, that's 50% & U say you're in college? LOL!! How?
blackadam06 4 years ago
I put U in the "SAME" category as KB42PAH, dudewheresmycar11 & staplesmagic.."ALL" of U R a bunch of dummies, who, the more u guys post, the less sense u make LOL!! & again, you're in college? LOL!! Who's college, the one where everyone rides the small buses? A copy of an original, that's "LESS" effective, is now "BETTER" than the original..yup, that's more of that "Bizarro" logic u got goin' for U LOL!!
blackadam06 4 years ago
Hey explain this:
Games with 70% FG: MJ 23 > KB 5
Games with 60% FG: MJ 160 > KB 53
Games with 50% FG: MJ 504 > KB 203
Everytime u say his fadeaway is "better", u imply it's more "Effective", which it definitely "ISN'T". With that being said, how can it be better?
blackadam06 4 years ago
omg fucking god you act like jordan didn't take it to the rack more then kobe. you keep watching this highlights and it's fucking up ya head lol
Lmartin31 4 years ago 2
LMAO u dumb ass i told you that last time it's base on how many you make, are you still trying to catch up to speed lol fg% is makes AND misses u ass put it like this. This is what am trying 2 say if i make all of my shots and finally i miss 1 that miss makes make fg% go down so misses make it up 2 u azz get yo head st8 lol
Lmartin31 4 years ago
?????? it's base on how many you make and take. I get what you're saying, but misses make it up too. Like when you say 5-10 50% what if you miss another, it goes down, so both count
Texashoopstar07 4 years ago
From '84-'89, he "ONLY" avg'd 3.7 dunks a game. In the 90's, it was 2.7.. So U mean to tell me, U attribute his "High" scoring to dunks & & layups, when A)he avg'd less than 5 dunks a game & B)Given the "no layup" rule of thumb during the mid 80's & early 90's, that sent many of players on the injured list, that's where his offense lays? Hahahahahahahahahahaha..that's mathematically impossible!!
blackadam06 4 years ago
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Wow..that's a new one there. Well, it's like I said, U KB fans R like Tony The Tiger when it comes to makin' excuses for why KB's #'s don't measure up: GRRRRREEEEEAAAAAATTT!!! LOL!! Lmartin, u really shouldn' be callin' "ANYBODY" dumb..u can't even grasp the concept of "Basic" sentence structure..please..stop embarrasing yourself..
blackadam06 4 years ago
OK, during the 80's, he avg'd 3 dunks a game..that's "6" pts. On layups, he got about 4 to 5 of those, that's about 10 pts. Given the fact he's a "CAREER" 30 pt scorer, where the hell did the rest of the 14 to 15 pts come from? They sure as hell didn't "ALL" come from the FT line lol!! What you're suggesting is mathematically impossible! Y'all will say anything to keep from admitting the obvious: KB's "NOT" a better shooter, plain & simple..
blackadam06 4 years ago
U undermine your "OWN" argument of him having a "Great" fadeaway, by admittin' he takes "MORE" shots to get his pts. KB had 2 yrs where he avg'd 27 shots. MJ only 1, & the yr he did, MJ avg'd 37 pts on 51% FG. The 2 yrs KB did, he avgd 2 pts & 4 pts less than MJ on 46% & 43% FG%! No matter how many shots he "TAKES", the onus is "STILL" on the player to "MAKE" 'em & like "ALWAYS", when u put these 2 in the "SAME" scenario, MJ does it more consistently & accurately.
blackadam06 4 years ago
U damn Kobe fans R the Kings/Queens of excuses: "Michael has more because, Michael won more because, Michael could jump further because, Michael was more clutch because, Michael shot a better percentage because.." U just wanna say "shut the f*** up with the excuses man!.." LOL!! U clowns R the 1 group of sports "fools", not "fans" of the game, that "WILL NOT" admit the obvious when it's right in your face LOL!!
blackadam06 4 years ago
"Excuses R the tools of the incompetent, that builds monuments of nothingness & bridges to nowhere & those who specialize in 'em, will never amount to anything..not now, not ever"..I had to learn that back in my undergrad days while I was pledgin'..& it still rings true today!! Especially in regards to U KB fans lol!! Everytime y'all do that, u just make him look that much worse..
blackadam06 4 years ago
And lastly, just to prove just how absurd that "He took it to the rack more, thus his FG% is higher than KB's" excuse is, why is it that MJ's FG% between the yrs of '95-'98, u know those yrs past his prime & was primarily a jump shooter & didn't dunk quite as often, R "STILL" higher than KB's "CAREER" reg. season & playoff FG%? So what's the excuse this time? I know it'll be a good one lol!!
blackadam06 4 years ago
here you go again with all this bullshyt i mean dammn god all you do is crack jokes. I guess that's cause you are a joke, and you saying that i'm a kobe fan i just got respect for a great player like him and shyt from what i seen offensively and defensively he is the closes thing to jordan [ but iverson still tha best ]
Lmartin31 4 years ago
Hey "Genius", Have u ever stopped to notice that "EVERY" last one of your posts have been based on your "OPINIONS"? All of 'em! You "NEVER" post anything that's substantiated by "FACTS", their "ALL" subjective & worse, U actually think you're makin' a valid point, that's why I laugh so much at u!! If what i've said is "bullshit" & i'm a joke, prove "ANYTHING" I've posted on this thread as inaccurate.. I'm waitin..
blackadam06 4 years ago
Dumb asses like U "NEVER" can refute anything a "REAL" fan of the sport has to say, because unlike U homers, we can back up what we say with the facts. We don't have to rely on a buch of "I think's", "If's" & "Coulda, Shoulda'..Woulda's".. Again, prove me wrong on this subject matter..
blackadam06 4 years ago
I actually feel sorry for kobe sometimes. Not because he doesn't measure up against MJ, few ppl do, but because he has "SO" many uninformed fans "TRYING" to argue on his behalf. It would be the equivalent of being on trial for murder & "KNOWING" u have "THE" most incompetent & uninformed attorney acting as lead counsel in your defense. I'd be embarrassed & afraid LOL!!
blackadam06 4 years ago
ok most things are based on what people think. You proved your point, but the fact of the matter is that your just one out of a million people with thier differences over this matter. I told you i that jordan is better, but i still think there are some areas kobe has surpassed jordan in.
Lmartin31 4 years ago
Again, this is why U KB fans get "BURNED" by facts. Listen to your argument: "i still 'THINK' there are some areas kobe has surpassed jordan in." Well, "PROVE" it. "Opinions" arent "FACTS". & to make matters worse, when it's highlighted that your claims R false, U guys keep trying to insenuate it, as if u say it enough times, it'll magically become true lol!! Debating 101: "NEVER" bring opinions to a debate, u make yourself look foolish..
blackadam06 4 years ago
3 pt & FT shooting R the "ONLY" things KB has higher marks in than MJ, but it's "ONLY" by 1% in both areas.(FT: KB 86% > MJ 85%..3 ptr's: KB 33% > MJ 32%). Considering he's shot twice as many 3's as MJ, & has 'MORE' seasons at shooting it 'WORSE' than MJ, can u say he's better? Outside of those 2 areas, KB isn't anywhere close to MJ or on pace to match him, let alone "surpass" him as u say..
blackadam06 4 years ago
i know all of this you are talking about but we are not going 2 get a prize pack if we win this debate lol. We just saying who we think is better and i just know kobe is a better shooter
Lmartin31 4 years ago
If u call being a "CAREER" 44% shooter & shooting "LESS" than 40% 1/3 of his career, VS someone who's a "CAREER" 50% shooter & has shot it 50% or "HIGHER" "6" different times "BETTER"..U truly R dumb as f**K LOL!!
blackadam06 4 years ago
This is why KB fans R the 1 group on YouTube, that "NOBODY" likes. U guys keep runnin' around sayin'KB's the 'Best' at this & that, but his career marks in those areas R either "WORSE" or at best "MARGINALLY" better than the person U claim he's so much better than. Even in the face of the facts, u fools keep tryin' to imply he's "BETTER"..U guys R a bunch morons LOL!! KB being your favorite player is one thing, but that's ridiculous..
blackadam06 4 years ago
What next? He's 'Better' at rebounding than Rodman? despite never avg'n more than 4 a game? Is he better at stealing the ball from the opposition than Stockton, despite never having won a steals title or avg'd more than 1 a game? U can't claim somone is better than another player at something, until their productivity in the area reflects they've done it better. Like I said, U guys R "THE" morons of YouTube LOL!!
blackadam06 4 years ago
lmao you act like we in a group or something am an allen iverson fan if you wanna kno since you saying we in a kobe group on youtube'. Like i said kobe is a better shooter. He shoots more then jordan. Jordan was a smarted player then kobe, jordan took hard shots but not like some of the shots kobe shoots but fuck this debate, i swear me and u been at this for some months lol who's your top 5 scores all-time moron of you tube lol
Lmartin31 4 years ago
Sure he's a better shooter..& Ben Wallace shoots better than him lol..
blackadam06 4 years ago
1st u cry foul about his shooting "MORE" being the cause for him being a "LESSER" shooter than MJ. Then U turn right around & say: "he's a 'BETTER' shooter, he just "shoots more.." lol! Damn man! Which is it? LOL!! Just like most KB fans, U contradict yourself & undermine your own arguments as being FALSE, by "YOUR" own illogical & silly logic.. U guys R a joke lol!!
blackadam06 4 years ago
That'd be like me saying Rick Barry was a "BETTER" leader of his championship team than Tim Duncan is of his, despite him leading his team to "ONLY" won 1 title. And when asked to actually prove it, my defense of my statement is: "I just KNOW he's a 'Better' leader of his title team..he's just won less than Duncan, but barry's better because I 'Think' he could've won more." lol!! Anyone with half a brain & common sense would laugh my ass out of the room with an absurd comment like that lol!!
blackadam06 4 years ago
ok tha spurs have more role players then rick had c'mon but yea i see whurr your coming from
Lmartin31 4 years ago
MJ led a starting lineup of Brad Sellers, Dave Corzine, Sam Vincent, and Charles Oakley to 50 wins and the 2nd rd in 87-88 while winning mvp, def player of the year, and putting up a top 5 season "ALL TIME". That's also the yr he had 200 stls & 100 blks. Have U seen KB do "ANYTHING" remotely "CLOSE" to that?
blackadam06 4 years ago
Keep in mind, Pip didn't start his 1st 3 yrs & "ONLY" avg'd 8 pts in the reg. season & 10 in the playoffs. In '90, MJ led the bulls to 55 wins & Game 7 of the Conf Finals with Pip posting a PER of 16.3. The last 2 seasons for LA, Odom has PER's of 17 and 16.1, yet KB can't win more than 45 "OR" get past the 2nd round. Again, when put in similar scenarios, MJ does it better. What's KB's excuse?
blackadam06 4 years ago
& lastly, with Pippen playing much worse "THEN" than Odom is playing "NOW" & with a " MUCH WORSE" starting lineup than KB's "CURRENT" team, MJ "STILL" won 50 and made it to the 2nd round!! Sooner or later, U gonna have face reality..u can't stay in denial forever lol!!
blackadam06 4 years ago
there you go with the fucking group thing i guess you in the jordan dyck riding group
Lmartin31 4 years ago
Oh "i'm on his dick" for stating the fact of the matter..So u must be on KB's for big'n up him too! LOL!! I've never said KB isn't a great talent, but stickin' to the title of this video, MJ's equal or superior, he's not because his career avg's/accomplishments tell me he's not on pace to match him, much less pass him.
blackadam06 4 years ago
but stickin' to the topic at hand, not video..that's a typo
blackadam06 4 years ago
MJ's "WIZARDS" avgs: 21 ppg, 4 apg & 4 rpg "42% FG"
KB "FINALS" avgs: 22.1 ppg, 4 apg, 5 rpg, "41.6% FG"
KB "CAREER" avgs: 24.4 ppg, 4.3 apg, 5.1 rpg, "45% FG"
MJ managed to compile in "2" yrs, an avg that's virtually "IDENTICAL" to KB's career marks in both his reg season "AND" playoffs avg's. I'm dying to hear u explain or rather try & 'Excuse' this lol! No "better teamates" to use as an excuse this time lol!!
blackadam06 4 years ago
Well when you have Shaq if not the BEST center ever one of the beswt. HE WAS THE NUMBER ONE OPTION. Kobe always had the best guys defending him. Career thats his career, kobe was with Shaq the triangle ran through him, now that Kobe is alone he has more time to unleash the beast in him
kvsm23vs24 4 years ago
Well, Magic played with Jabbar & avg'd "MORE" pts a game than Jabbar did between '87-'89, (3 yrs stretch as well) with Jabbar being the focal point, while shooting 50% or "HIGHER" all 3 of those seasons. If KB's the "Greatest", why didn't he do these things with shaq? & I "DARE" U to say Jabbar wasn't dominant considering he's the "ALL TIME leading scorer "AND" had the most "UNSTOPPABLE" shot in the 'HISTORY' of the game..
blackadam06 4 years ago
Just like most KB fans, your "ENTIRE" argument, is based "SOLELY" on your "OPINION" on what U "Think" he can do. What U "Think" he may do, or "Should" be able to do, but "NEVER" on what he's actually "DONE" or "CONSISTENTLY DOES". U guys undermine your "Own" arguments LOL!!
blackadam06 4 years ago
"Kobe always had the best guys defending him.." & what, MJ didn't? MJ was by "FAR" the most double & triple teamed player in the "Modern Era" of the game & "STILL" put up superior #'s to KB, Before Pippen & Co. "AND" during the Title yrs. U guys & your lame excuses LOL!!..
blackadam06 4 years ago
kobe use 2 suck in his early years he wasn't good as he is now kobe is like 50 x better now well all kno that but am saying if u were down 3 and u needed sum 1 2 take tha shot who would u take kobe now or mj in his bulls years ?
Lmartin31 4 years ago
Game winning shots
MJ: 33 out of 58 attempts (56.9%)
KB: 7 out of 32 attempts (21.9%)
Game Winning "PLAYOFF" shots:
MJ: 15
KB: 5
MJ has the most known game winning shots of any player in NBA history. He has by far the highest "CONVERSION" rate in the clutch. I'll let U figure out who I'd pick LOL!!
blackadam06 4 years ago 2
the fadeaway is one of the most distinct moves in the nba.kareem has the skyhook.iceman has the finger roll and mj has the fadeaway.
gondeathmode 4 years ago
dude teammates have sum results on how u shot not much but if you have better teammates you dont HAVE TO TAKE AS MANY SHOTS but if you have sorry ass teammates U HAVE TO SHOOT WAY MORE SHOTS LIKE KOBE DOES NOW BUT AM NOT TRIPPING ABOUT WHO'S BETTER AND WHO'S NOT WE ALL KNO JORDAN BETTER BUT IN MY OPINION KOBE HAS A BETTER OUTSIDE GM NOW JUST CAUSE OF THE ROLE THAT HE HAD 2 STEP UP CAUSE OF THE LACK OF HELP
Lmartin31 4 years ago
"sorry teamates"? try looking at the bulls the 3 yrs "BEFORE" pip & grant arrived. In those yrs, MJ took less shots than what KB takes now & shot it better. KB's been taking 15+ shots since his 3rd year, he even had 2 seasons where he "AVERAGED" 27 shots a game..MJ's "CAREER" avg of shots per game, is 21 & the year he "DID" take 27 shots a game, he averaged 37 pts on 51% shooting, the 2 years KB took 27 shots a game, he averaged 2 pts less than MJ's scoring avg on 45% & 46% shooting LOL!!
blackadam06 4 years ago
Sooner or later y'all gonna have to face reality. U can't keep duckin' the "OBVIOUS" forever. If kobe had the superior perimeter game, his #'s would reflect it, but they don't because he DOESN'T. It's just that plain & simple.
blackadam06 4 years ago
And just to reiterate everything for u:
Seasons shooting 50% or better:
MJ: 6
KB: 0
Seasons shooting 47% or better:
MJ: 10
KB: 0
Now bruh, if u "STILL" can't see that KB isn't the superior shooter, you're in some serious denial. Again, this guy has shot the ball less than 40% for 1/3 of his career!! It's illogical on u guys' part to continue to keep saying he's better than MJ at shooting the ball when the FACTS R staring u right in the face..
blackadam06 4 years ago
Here's kobe's "CAREER" shooting %'s:
Sub-48% shooting: REG: 470 (60% of games) -- PLAYOFFS: 84 (64% of games)
Sub-46% shooting: REG: 417 (53% of games) -- PLAYOFFS: 73 (56% of games)
Sub-44% shooting: REG: 353 (45% of games) -- PLAYOFFS: 64 (49% of games)
Sub-42% shooting: REG: 307 (39% of games) -- PLAYOFFS: 53 (40% of games)
blackadam06 4 years ago
I mean, C'mon KB fans..how do y'all explain this? How can u guys go on believing this guy is a "great" shooter, who's perimeter game is supposed to be "superior" to MJ's with piss poor "CAREER" %'s like these? LOL!! That's a joke & a bad one at that..
blackadam06 4 years ago
The fact of the matter is that "BOTH" his shooting %'s & his scoring output "DROP" & gets worse in the playoffs than they are in the regular season. That's the "BIGGEST" difference between KB & MJ. MJ's averages in those 2 categories go "UP" in the playoffs..
blackadam06 4 years ago
i never should kobe was just on jordan level but who is closer ????? he has to shoot up more shots cuz of tha lack of other good players on his team b serious wen have u ever seen jordan make a spinning 3 pointer over 2 ppl ... .... waiting but jordan is better but kobe has a better shot from ranggggggeeeeee]]]]] _____-range far like 3 range is wat am saying and he's midrange is comparable 2 jordan just look how they shoot look at kobe's form and jordan almost alike
Lmartin31 4 years ago
And again, maybe u don't understand the basic concept of shooting %, but if KB has a better long range shot than MJ, his shooting % would reflect it..it's that plain & simply. It's not logically possible to say someone's a better shooter from any range, but their shooting % from that range says otherwise.
blackadam06 4 years ago
It's funny u mention spinning jumpers over 2 defenders from that range. 1 of the next games i plan on uploading is against boston in '90, he does it twice in one game alone. That's just one of the many examples of him doin' stuff like that. The problem with some of kids, u think because u haven't seen him do it, he's not capable of it & when someone shows u proof, u try to find some other excuse to try & explain away the obvious..don't worry, give me time, i'll upload for u..
blackadam06 4 years ago
Amnd mimicking MJ's "shooting form" doesn't mean he's comparable to MJ..If KB consistently shot the ball with same degree of accuracy, "THEN" u can make those boasts about his shot being comparable to MJ's. But he clearly hasn't..not when he's shot the ball less than 1/3 of his career..
blackadam06 4 years ago
And why do u keep trying to scapegoat his teamates for his anemic shooting? His shooting % accurately measures how well "HE" shoots from the floor. This is an individual stat, what does his team have to do with that?..Nothing. If that's the case, one could blame their teamates for poor free throw shooting too LOL!! Now If we were debating why his assts to turnover ratio is low, then yeah you'd be able to use his teamtes as a scapegoat..
blackadam06 4 years ago
"CAREER" 3-point shooting %
Jordan: .327%
KB: .337% (Not exactly blowing MJ away here)
# of seasons above 37% 3pt shooting:
Jordan: 4
KB: 2.
# of seasons above 35% 3pt shooting:
Jordan: 5
KB: 2.
Again, u can't keep professing KB's a better shooter from behind the 3 pt arc, when for his "CAREER", he's only managed to to best MJ by 1% & while shooting it "MORE" times than MJ with "LESS" accuracy. Sorry, he's not "BETTER" than MJ from there, he justs shoots "MORE" LOL!!
blackadam06 4 years ago
Michael Jordan has done that a few tomes, and one was a game winner vs detroit
Jackpwnz 4 years ago
kobe only has a better jumper from range den jordan that's it jordan is better overall
Lmartin31 4 years ago