I am really shocked having watched it. Now I just don't know if I am too hard on my two sons or not. Sometimes I have to be hard on them because I think I am saving them from future troubles by doing so, but then later I often get a feeling that I was too much. And where is that fine line between being wisely strict and wisely gracious? It's so hard to see it.
Why didn't Neil hire a lawyer and emancipate himself? His father is rich, so he can afford a lawyer! I actually wanted to kill Neil's dad. He cost his son his life, he cost some students a best friend and also cost a teacher his job.
@Cinemadman Neil's dad isn't really rich. He just had to give his all to acquire such a living standard, and actually he invests most of his money into his son
Το να αυτοκτονήσεις είναι καλύτερο από το να ζήσεις μια ζωή που σου έχουν επιβάλλει και να είσαι δυστυχισμένος μέχρι να πεθάνεις. Δεν ήθελε να χαλάσει τη στιγμή που άγγιξε το όνειρό του. Το είπε άλλωστε"'Ημουν πραγματικά καλός" γι' αυτό αποφάσισε να δώσει τέλος στη ζωή του και να μείνει με αυτή την ανάμνηση. Αν ο πατέρας του δεν τον άφηνε να παίζει θέατρο, ήταν σαν να του παίρνει τη ζωή, κι έτσι έγινε. Μπορεί ο Νηλ να τράβηξε τη σκανδάλη, αλλά το χέρι του το οδηγούσε ο ίδιος ο πατέρας του.
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My sympathies are with the father, even though he was a little 'heavy handed' he was right about what was best for his son. And Neil, in his final act of rebellion, defies his father by killing himself, demonstrating an immaturity that vindicates his father's more mature understanding of both his son and what constitutes good sense. Keating deserves to be prosecuted for his part in this subversion of authority
@hezkyden Who decides what is best for an individual sentient being? Enforcing specific careers and goals is oppressive and destructive to the psyche of an impressionable adventurous mind. Life is not about obtaining hoards of cash becoming a PHD. It is about living in the moment, empathy, compassion and exploring the wondrous nature of existence. This is the prevailing spirit of the upcoming generations. The mentality you display towards this situation is fading along with the past generation.
@hezkyden A little heavy handed - his son just scored himself a headshot. And how was he right about what was best either? It takes a little more than a pet peeve to actualy kill yourself. It takes time to form the will to die. And only a mature mind can make such a decision. His father clearly doesnt know his son. And it is strange how such a mature old man couldnt put 1 and 1 together seeing as to what length Neil has went to defy him.
@hezkyden And if he couldnt see what he has done and to what lengths is he ready to go for that one goal, with all of his mental maturity and wisdom? Then how can this man be called a father ? Keating has no possible blame - he didnt encourage Neil to defy his father - he encouraged him to talk openly with him which i cant imagine he can be prosecuted because of.
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What a stupid ungrateful kid.Even if you don't get to pursue what you love (and his love was just acquired anyway), you don't go and kill yourself especially when you have so much to live for. If another kid like one in Africa had his lifestyle to swap for, i'm sure they would appreciate how much they actually have. It is true what happened to him was unfair, but kids like that piss me off, who can't rationalize why they shouldn't do something so stupid like that..REMEMBER GUYS! YOU HAVE SO MUCH
@DKgirl94 yyeah.. hes got a good life, goes to a prestigious school and he clearly doesnt take that into appreciation when he decides to kill himself over that decision.
why the heck would he do something as pathetic as kill himself!?!?! Im well disappointed after all the strength he showed previously and encouraged in others.
@FMLdoodez because he was being forced to go to a military school instead of being able to live a life that he actually enjoyed, his abusive father had already decided his son's future
Its truly incredible what film makers can create in the viewers mind, really, none of us saw more than a bundle, and heard nothing but Neil's father waking up. Seeing once more nothing more than the gun and the hand, and heard his parents horrified reaction, yet everyone watching this movie saw Neil hold the gun to his head and heard a deafening shot ring out, and saw him lying in his blood on the carpet.
no parents deserve to loose their son, no friends deserve to loose their best friend, but no human being deserves not being able to do what he wants to do in life....
People totally don't get the message of this movie. So many people are all "Neil is so stupid for committing suicide, why didn't he just do what he wanted to do?". Throughout the whole film we see Neil desperately trying to do what he wants to do, and it just gets him in further shit with his Dad. 10 years at military school?? Imagine 10 years of hating life every day. Of course he shot himself rather than face that, and it definitely doesn't make him weak or less of a member of the DPS.
@mcollie1234 He could have shot his dad instead ... then again Im probably missing the point too. I see no point in suicide, far better to destroy what is in your way then destroy your self agonizing over it.
...i didn't get a chance at harvard 'cause i was enrolled at huntsville state penitentiary...tough conditions are very relative...there was no reason for the suicide
@jethro035181 i disagree, i think there was plenty of reason for it. He had a good life, but he wasn't ever completely happy. He got a taste of what it was really like to live and be happy and it was taken from him, and that took all of the hope for happiness from him. he was sure he was facing a life of nothing but being "the dutiful son" and he knew he couldn't handle it. He got to a point where he was sure the only way his father would ever hear him, was if he went to this extreme.
@dancerbabe32 ...no one is really happy...90% of north americans are economic serfs, in life long bondage or victims of bad marriages...3/4 of north american kids don't have the comforts, upbringing or opportunities that neill squandered...i certainly didn't and would have envied neill...i realize that half of suicides occur for sillier reasons (kurt cobain fans)...the fault here lies with neill himself and not his father who cared too much...my fathers caring was expressed with his fists
... You may house their bodies but not their souls, For their souls dwell in the house of tomorrow, which you cannot visit, not even in your dreams. You may strive to be like them, but seek not to make them like you. For life goes not backward nor tarries with yesterday. You are the bows from which your children as living arrows are sent forth. The archer sees the mark upon the path of the infinite, and He bends you with His might that His arrows may go swift and far.
To better understand the mindset of the father we need look no further than the comment "OH...MY SON" A common mistake amongst parents to assume they OWN " their sons or daughters. To quote Kahlil Gibran: Your children are not your children. They are the sons and daughters of Life's longing for itself. They come through you but not from you, And though they are with you yet they belong not to you. You may give them your love but not your thoughts, For they have their own thoughts. .....more,
@Kjobbit futility is unrealistic? we deal with it everyday. some just can't find a reason to anymore. suicide is no different than picking out a pair of socks from the top drawer. don't judge.
I watched this scene in English today and everyone knew he was going to commit suicide hence the long build up but when Reid woke up we thought it was a dream, then when he really was dead they started to laugh at the fathers "bad acting" when he finds him dead. Although I and the rest of my class thought it was a great twist and showed us how suicide can be just round the corner.
ten more years of doing something he hated and not being allowed to follow your dream would have seemed like an eternity, so it is not that hard to believe that someone could suicide over it.
I'm sorry, but this movie is really a caricature of education. It makes students look saintly and innocent beings who are corrupted by the horrors of authority. It makes parents and teachers look crazy, controlling, and indifferent. Everyone who has been to a typical U.S. high school knows that the problem is typically too little parental and school authority, not too much. Having been in tons of school plays myself, I certainly do not agree with Neil's dad on that. But again, it's a caricature.
@hpd929 I respect your interpretation but disagree. Remember that the film also portrays the not-so-innocent side of teenage life in smoking, drinking, parties, etc. More important, however, this school is hardly a 'typical U.S. high school'. The benefit, perhaps, of locating the story within a private academy allows us to criticize the authority of capitalism and the class system much more prevalent sixty years ago. In any case, you're entitled to your opinion -- it remains a fantastic film.
Mr. Perry is to BLAME HERE, NOT MR. KEATING! First of all, it was Mr. Keating's duty to widen the minds of the students. It' not his fault anymore if Neil wanted to be an actor,. It's his ambition, and it was finally freed from being kept by Neil, if it weren't for Keating here, DUH!
In my opinion the suicide was not simply necessary, but altogether obligatory. I do consider it a horrid and tragic way to express a certain idea but Art in its way must move us beyond our understanding as this film does in order to get the message through. What else? What else was there to be done... As I come to think of it - Neil, as all poets (he's no a poet of course, you know what I mean), found his end prematurely and did what his soul urged him to.
i think alot of poeple are forgeting that this is a movie...the idea being that it exaggreats the truth..in neils situation if he couldnt do what he loved then he was already dead inside therefore suicide sint such a big deal...would you like to live if someone else was forever controlling your live
in my opinion, Neil's suicide is an exageration. it wasnt neccesary to turn the film into a tragedy. I know the father was an asshole, and deserved a beating, and i understand Neil felt like his life was over. But a Suicide??? Come on! Neil had to be mentally unballanced to go ahead with the suicide. The movie made it's point but there was no need to be so tragic.
Parents who act as in the preceding situation to this scene towards their children are acting as an executioner of their souls and a jailer for their minds...
You are right about the scene not being totally believable. But it's a great message for parents not to push their children into doing something they don't want. Or even worse. To forbid to follow their dreams.
Neil's death was so emotionally tragic kind of ruined what could have been a really tremendous movie, did not fully approve of Neil's father such a very rude domineering faggot he just wanted to run his son's life and literally not care in the slightest when Neil felt unhappy and I personally think he should be held in total blame for what sadly transpired people like him should honestly I believe get punished and taught a real lesson Neil was a great character, who deserved a far better life
Idiot Fucking Neil. he should have spoken his mind instead of destroying his family like that. He should have at least tried to escape to make a stand, but not do that!!
This is my first time watching this movie - Oh my god Neil Killed himself :( So sad, im in shock and on the verge of tears. He was the one eho was so enthusiatic of carpe diem as well at the beginning... just goes to show how parents do effect their kids.
oh my god i just hope that my teacher won`t use either scenes here for my test tomorrow. cause i`ll start crying and then there is no way that i`m gonna be able to write a characterization.
In order to suck the marrow out of life...you must stay alive. Neil did not try hard enough to live up to the DPS message. So sad, a beautiful young life cut short.
@lawman7117 It isn't that he didn't try hard enough. Have you ever felt the same way he did? These people try and TRY, Neil did try. He tried to earn his Dad's approval but his dad was just an ungrateful bastard. Even if the Dad didn't kill Neil himself, its still murder. The dad drove him to it.
You're right, but I think Neil must have thought something like "I dont wanna spend my whole life the way you want; i want to suck out all the marrow out of life, or die if I cant have it my way" So in a way he sorta did act like a true member of the DPS.
He lived and became a doctor who would work alongside House. He also changed his name to Wilson, but he still dreams of what could have happened if he stuck to acting.
what neil did was sad and wrong but you have to realise how he knows that things will never get better and with his father he will never have a choice and things will always be bad
As much as people hate his Dad, he's only doing what he thinks is best for his son. Just look at his reaction when he finds him dead.
He really loved him, and was doing his best. Parenting has come a long ways, and that was pretty standard for the day.
People used to give human sacrafices to gods long ago, yet they were doing what was 'right'. You can't judge actions by current standards or the standards of a different culture. Or at least you shouldn't.
we know he loved him but he was gifted student who would prmoise to fullfill his fathers request but he wanted to do something that he liked, its not like he would take acting up as a career maybe something to do in his freetime. He is a very smart student
I don't condone his methods, but I can see he's got his families best intentions in mind.
If my son wants to be an actor, great. If he wants to be a zoologist, great. If he wants to work with the poor, great. As long as he chooses what he's passionate about, I'll be behind him 100%.
My father is a hard working farmer with different ideas so I never had that freedom. But I know his reasons and have great respect for him.
in this day and time if something like this happend the school would be sued. I grew up around a few guys that i know thier fathers were insanely strict on them, it was sad because they were good kids but you could tell thier spirt was broken and they were meerly pawns for thier parents wishes...ive got a 7 year old but im rasing her in the lioght of the world is her oyster because i think good kids can find theings for themswelves, i cant contro her destiny or mine..sad yet wonderful movie..
they had to sign and I don't think it would have made a difference to Keating's being fired anyway. Had they refused another way would have been found. There was no point in jeopardizing their own futures for no reason, Keating would not have wanted that either
He killed himself because he had no control of his life. He couldn't do anything he wanted and all the decisions were made by his father. I'm not saying he should have killed himself, I just mean he wasn't going through life without his own path.
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I know he felt like he didn't have control over his life but he really did and ten years at military school wouldn't kill him. Once he got done he would be free to do as he pleased anyway.
i think that neil killing himself was the only choice he has every made by himself and its ironic and sad that it would mean the end of his life.
however it is funny that this actor went on to play wilson in house - in this movie he didnt want to go to medical school but in house he's a doctor lol
To me the most heartbreaking part is how Todd reacts, how he can' t believe his dearest friend in the world, the gentlest, kindest spirit would kill himself and leave him. And when he screams for Neil and stands on that dock all alone with that gorgeous flute melody playing. My eyes brim with tears everytime.
What is it that Todd screams as he's running through the snow? It's my favourite scene in the movie. It's so beautiful and heartwrenching but I can never seem to catch that last bit.
Am I the only lost or stupid soul that can't find part 13?
freshprinceofbalham 6 days ago
Watching the rest of them sing whilst Charlie just stares forward blankly at 7:10 just breaks my heart.
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I am really shocked having watched it. Now I just don't know if I am too hard on my two sons or not. Sometimes I have to be hard on them because I think I am saving them from future troubles by doing so, but then later I often get a feeling that I was too much. And where is that fine line between being wisely strict and wisely gracious? It's so hard to see it.
more1and1more 1 month ago
Why didn't Neil hire a lawyer and emancipate himself? His father is rich, so he can afford a lawyer! I actually wanted to kill Neil's dad. He cost his son his life, he cost some students a best friend and also cost a teacher his job.
Cinemadman 1 month ago
@Cinemadman Neil's dad isn't really rich. He just had to give his all to acquire such a living standard, and actually he invests most of his money into his son
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Το να αυτοκτονήσεις είναι καλύτερο από το να ζήσεις μια ζωή που σου έχουν επιβάλλει και να είσαι δυστυχισμένος μέχρι να πεθάνεις. Δεν ήθελε να χαλάσει τη στιγμή που άγγιξε το όνειρό του. Το είπε άλλωστε"'Ημουν πραγματικά καλός" γι' αυτό αποφάσισε να δώσει τέλος στη ζωή του και να μείνει με αυτή την ανάμνηση. Αν ο πατέρας του δεν τον άφηνε να παίζει θέατρο, ήταν σαν να του παίρνει τη ζωή, κι έτσι έγινε. Μπορεί ο Νηλ να τράβηξε τη σκανδάλη, αλλά το χέρι του το οδηγούσε ο ίδιος ο πατέρας του.
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VickyCDFAE 1 month ago
haha i was half hoping for mr perrt to shout i will shove my foot up your ass
dumbo663 1 month ago
Fuck authority of any kind before it fucks you...
ntipouan 2 months ago
When I watched this in class I didn't cry at all, I was still sad but this is the first time I cried.
momolove69 2 months ago 3
hahahah keep pressing 5 for "NO!"
L3GITJEZUS 2 months ago
:((((
trixtaylorfanatic13 2 months ago
Keating was more of a father to Neil than his father ever was until his son shot himself in the head
celebrei 3 months ago 8
2:55 that's what she said
NinjaWill98 4 months ago
OMG I'm crying this is so sad!!
Believer4everdreamer 4 months ago
the message and point of this film and art in general: live your life, look at what happens if you don't! Recognize the pattern and step beyond it!
Don't let this, or similar things happen to you or your friends.
Be honest.
How tragic <_<
Samuelthemule 4 months ago
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My sympathies are with the father, even though he was a little 'heavy handed' he was right about what was best for his son. And Neil, in his final act of rebellion, defies his father by killing himself, demonstrating an immaturity that vindicates his father's more mature understanding of both his son and what constitutes good sense. Keating deserves to be prosecuted for his part in this subversion of authority
hezkyden 5 months ago
@hezkyden Who decides what is best for an individual sentient being? Enforcing specific careers and goals is oppressive and destructive to the psyche of an impressionable adventurous mind. Life is not about obtaining hoards of cash becoming a PHD. It is about living in the moment, empathy, compassion and exploring the wondrous nature of existence. This is the prevailing spirit of the upcoming generations. The mentality you display towards this situation is fading along with the past generation.
donaldsodav290 5 months ago 2
@hezkyden he took away his sons joy, his freedom, his identity, so Neil made the only decision that was able to make himself
Don't let your kids talk, yell at them if they do something that isn't in your life plan for them and see how well it goes
andyt2k 5 months ago 2
@hezkyden A little heavy handed - his son just scored himself a headshot. And how was he right about what was best either? It takes a little more than a pet peeve to actualy kill yourself. It takes time to form the will to die. And only a mature mind can make such a decision. His father clearly doesnt know his son. And it is strange how such a mature old man couldnt put 1 and 1 together seeing as to what length Neil has went to defy him.
Forseliz 4 months ago
@hezkyden And if he couldnt see what he has done and to what lengths is he ready to go for that one goal, with all of his mental maturity and wisdom? Then how can this man be called a father ? Keating has no possible blame - he didnt encourage Neil to defy his father - he encouraged him to talk openly with him which i cant imagine he can be prosecuted because of.
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vfalcon79 7 months ago
Regardless of what his father wanted him to do, he could have defied him and followed his dream as an actor, shooting himself was a little extensive
xWedGHead 7 months ago 5
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What a stupid ungrateful kid.Even if you don't get to pursue what you love (and his love was just acquired anyway), you don't go and kill yourself especially when you have so much to live for. If another kid like one in Africa had his lifestyle to swap for, i'm sure they would appreciate how much they actually have. It is true what happened to him was unfair, but kids like that piss me off, who can't rationalize why they shouldn't do something so stupid like that..REMEMBER GUYS! YOU HAVE SO MUCH
GetSqueaky 7 months ago
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@GetSqueaky you obviously do not know what its like to lose the only thing you ever wanted.
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MsMello7 7 months ago
@GetSqueaky this boy was a very sensitive character.....but i guess you have a point too!!!!!!!
riddlergirl77 6 months ago
@GetSqueaky Thats exactly what I keep telling myself...
nighrage 6 months ago
@GetSqueaky What? Ungrateful?
I don't get you.
DKgirl94 5 months ago
@DKgirl94 yyeah.. hes got a good life, goes to a prestigious school and he clearly doesnt take that into appreciation when he decides to kill himself over that decision.
GetSqueaky 5 months ago
7:30 what a terrible choir!! they shouldn't have been singing... :(
carolinagama 7 months ago
not long before a dog pissed in that snow :)... damn editing of movies they took that part out
Ace2w1n 8 months ago
Hi, I'm upset cause my friend died. I just threw up. Shove snow in my mouth please, that will help!
wotchermuggle 8 months ago
why the heck would he do something as pathetic as kill himself!?!?! Im well disappointed after all the strength he showed previously and encouraged in others.
FMLdoodez 9 months ago
@FMLdoodez because he was being forced to go to a military school instead of being able to live a life that he actually enjoyed, his abusive father had already decided his son's future
adposanmofnad 9 months ago
I'm pathetic cause I bawled like a baby lol glad I decided to watch it at home before watching the rest at school. This was an amazing movie
polkadot1213 9 months ago
Its truly incredible what film makers can create in the viewers mind, really, none of us saw more than a bundle, and heard nothing but Neil's father waking up. Seeing once more nothing more than the gun and the hand, and heard his parents horrified reaction, yet everyone watching this movie saw Neil hold the gun to his head and heard a deafening shot ring out, and saw him lying in his blood on the carpet.
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husnain404 9 months ago
Look at 02:32. What is that, hovering above the desk on the right side of the screen?
DragonStyler3117 10 months ago
@DragonStyler3117 it's smoke from the gun. his father smelled it immediately after that scene.
hawkqey 10 months ago
That's just too intense ffs.
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i'm in teary eyes..T.T
TheSweeTwinksss 11 months ago
i'm in teary eyes..T.T
TheSweeTwinksss 11 months ago
no parents deserve to loose their son, no friends deserve to loose their best friend, but no human being deserves not being able to do what he wants to do in life....
dancepasion1818 11 months ago 93
@dancepasion1818 what about Hitler?
icygaming1 1 month ago
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husnain404 11 months ago
@husnain404 You're one insensitive son of a bitch. i don't care if it's just a movie. Shit like this really happens.
JustinHD122 11 months ago
@husnain404 "Better to keep your mouth shut and be thought a fool than to open it and remove all doubt."
That sir is my advise to you!
TheTrueLolCat 10 months ago 2
@husnain404 I wish to you that you'll never experience the pain nessecary to hate your self for saying that...!
TheYuffie666 9 months ago
Tuvan throat singers... you can't beat em for this kind of work.
jampot76 11 months ago
Neil should have run away and gone straight to Mr Keating. This breaks my heart.
damnhippie16 1 year ago
Neil is actually Hugh Laurie in disguise (a doctor and an actor).
....directed by M. Night Shyamalan
MicNarcolepsy 1 year ago
People totally don't get the message of this movie. So many people are all "Neil is so stupid for committing suicide, why didn't he just do what he wanted to do?". Throughout the whole film we see Neil desperately trying to do what he wants to do, and it just gets him in further shit with his Dad. 10 years at military school?? Imagine 10 years of hating life every day. Of course he shot himself rather than face that, and it definitely doesn't make him weak or less of a member of the DPS.
mcollie1234 1 year ago 35
@mcollie1234 He could have shot his dad instead ... then again Im probably missing the point too. I see no point in suicide, far better to destroy what is in your way then destroy your self agonizing over it.
kurlobe 1 week ago
red fucking forman
TheRascon2 1 year ago 5
Neil's Dad never accepted responsibility for what he did to his son. Just sad.
DuncansCPGuide 1 year ago 3
Whatever it is... dude it's just stupid to kill yourself.. just run away or something. Well, it's a movie anyway.
CLBOO6 1 year ago
WHY DIDN'T HE JUST RUN AWAY AND BECOME AN ACTOR??! :S
mallyRIN 1 year ago 3
He's not alright...
brishanrae 1 year ago
...i didn't get a chance at harvard 'cause i was enrolled at huntsville state penitentiary...tough conditions are very relative...there was no reason for the suicide
jethro035181 1 year ago 2
@jethro035181 i disagree, i think there was plenty of reason for it. He had a good life, but he wasn't ever completely happy. He got a taste of what it was really like to live and be happy and it was taken from him, and that took all of the hope for happiness from him. he was sure he was facing a life of nothing but being "the dutiful son" and he knew he couldn't handle it. He got to a point where he was sure the only way his father would ever hear him, was if he went to this extreme.
dancerbabe32 1 year ago
@dancerbabe32 ...no one is really happy...90% of north americans are economic serfs, in life long bondage or victims of bad marriages...3/4 of north american kids don't have the comforts, upbringing or opportunities that neill squandered...i certainly didn't and would have envied neill...i realize that half of suicides occur for sillier reasons (kurt cobain fans)...the fault here lies with neill himself and not his father who cared too much...my fathers caring was expressed with his fists
jethro035181 1 year ago
@jethro035181 his fathers concern was not caring... i think it was more Fear of not having the son he always wanted than care at all
dancerbabe32 1 year ago
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turtle669 1 year ago
@turtle669 well said, dude.
defiantwon33 1 year ago
For some reason, I always believe that yelling 'Don't do it, Neil!' At the screen will help. It never does
wickedxwonder 1 year ago
I was enjoying this film, but the suicide was melodramatic and an unrealistic reaction. This film just lost points.
Kjobbit 1 year ago 2
@Kjobbit I completely agree with you. Why was everyone so concerned about todds reaction??
mf679 1 year ago
@Kjobbit yep ur right on the money...
i like good will hunting better
watashiwanachodes 1 year ago
@Kjobbit futility is unrealistic? we deal with it everyday. some just can't find a reason to anymore. suicide is no different than picking out a pair of socks from the top drawer. don't judge.
defiantwon33 1 year ago
That was the last straw for Neil
ShetShetSheenHeads 1 year ago
That was the last straw Neil
ShetShetSheenHeads 1 year ago
2:55, best scene ever.
OH MY SOOOOOOOON
ChrisCutta87 1 year ago
I watched this scene in English today and everyone knew he was going to commit suicide hence the long build up but when Reid woke up we thought it was a dream, then when he really was dead they started to laugh at the fathers "bad acting" when he finds him dead. Although I and the rest of my class thought it was a great twist and showed us how suicide can be just round the corner.
RHSTUDIOS 1 year ago
His death is so poetic. It's chilling
coolikinz 1 year ago
this is so sad
IstalkBananas 1 year ago
Neil !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! -.-
vanillaica 1 year ago
so sad... after all, with all his delusions, his father certainly loved him
friedrichsalzmann 1 year ago
so sad...
friedrichsalzmann 1 year ago
lol - 1:24 scared the bejesus out of me.
glassoniongirl64 1 year ago
Painting at @0:18 what is it? bcoz i have it...
SmexiiLisa 1 year ago
ten more years of doing something he hated and not being allowed to follow your dream would have seemed like an eternity, so it is not that hard to believe that someone could suicide over it.
lizdylanboykie 1 year ago 5
I'm sorry, but this movie is really a caricature of education. It makes students look saintly and innocent beings who are corrupted by the horrors of authority. It makes parents and teachers look crazy, controlling, and indifferent. Everyone who has been to a typical U.S. high school knows that the problem is typically too little parental and school authority, not too much. Having been in tons of school plays myself, I certainly do not agree with Neil's dad on that. But again, it's a caricature.
hpd929 1 year ago
@hpd929 I respect your interpretation but disagree. Remember that the film also portrays the not-so-innocent side of teenage life in smoking, drinking, parties, etc. More important, however, this school is hardly a 'typical U.S. high school'. The benefit, perhaps, of locating the story within a private academy allows us to criticize the authority of capitalism and the class system much more prevalent sixty years ago. In any case, you're entitled to your opinion -- it remains a fantastic film.
redchucktaylors5 1 year ago 5
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Mr. Perry is to BLAME HERE, NOT MR. KEATING! First of all, it was Mr. Keating's duty to widen the minds of the students. It' not his fault anymore if Neil wanted to be an actor,. It's his ambition, and it was finally freed from being kept by Neil, if it weren't for Keating here, DUH!
natash1029 1 year ago
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natash1029 1 year ago
In my opinion the suicide was not simply necessary, but altogether obligatory. I do consider it a horrid and tragic way to express a certain idea but Art in its way must move us beyond our understanding as this film does in order to get the message through. What else? What else was there to be done... As I come to think of it - Neil, as all poets (he's no a poet of course, you know what I mean), found his end prematurely and did what his soul urged him to.
Mortdefides 1 year ago 4
What does todd yell at 5:06????
soapsud14 1 year ago
@soapsud14 NEIL!!!
Starscream66778 1 year ago
what does todd yell at 5:07 ???
soapsud14 1 year ago
@soapsud14 NEIL!!!
Starscream66778 1 year ago
The mum is so stupid.
notevenhere 1 year ago
i think alot of poeple are forgeting that this is a movie...the idea being that it exaggreats the truth..in neils situation if he couldnt do what he loved then he was already dead inside therefore suicide sint such a big deal...would you like to live if someone else was forever controlling your live
dennerz1992 1 year ago 2
in my opinion, Neil's suicide is an exageration. it wasnt neccesary to turn the film into a tragedy. I know the father was an asshole, and deserved a beating, and i understand Neil felt like his life was over. But a Suicide??? Come on! Neil had to be mentally unballanced to go ahead with the suicide. The movie made it's point but there was no need to be so tragic.
freymaroto 1 year ago
Parents who act as in the preceding situation to this scene towards their children are acting as an executioner of their souls and a jailer for their minds...
be free and Carpe Diem!
dudemusicspace 1 year ago
@HogwartsCastle
You are right about the scene not being totally believable. But it's a great message for parents not to push their children into doing something they don't want. Or even worse. To forbid to follow their dreams.
hzsful 1 year ago
Neil should have shot his dad, not himself
03jkeeley 1 year ago
Dude, seriously, just graduate from military school and then go somewhere and act. Daddy was a dickwad, but this is an over-reaction.
eezysqueezy 1 year ago
@eezysqueezy Yeah... I agree. I feel sorry for Neil Perry, but commiting suicide is really really stupid thing.
hattu99 1 year ago
Damn... Neil become real Dead Poet..... If I were Neil, I'd rather run away from home not commits suicide..
hattu99 1 year ago
I will never forget the flying desk set moment.
katenzcool 1 year ago
Neil's death was so emotionally tragic kind of ruined what could have been a really tremendous movie, did not fully approve of Neil's father such a very rude domineering faggot he just wanted to run his son's life and literally not care in the slightest when Neil felt unhappy and I personally think he should be held in total blame for what sadly transpired people like him should honestly I believe get punished and taught a real lesson Neil was a great character, who deserved a far better life
moviebuff1986 1 year ago
Idiot Fucking Neil. he should have spoken his mind instead of destroying his family like that. He should have at least tried to escape to make a stand, but not do that!!
wissamsam 1 year ago
niel DIED! :((
this part really made me cry
stephaniiejacinto 1 year ago
It's ironic how Neil becomes a full-fledged "Dead Poet" himself.
kookykooky9090 1 year ago 34
@kookykooky9090 i think that's the point :D
TintedEyebrows 7 months ago
Mr Nolan reminds me of the Emperor Palpatine when he speaks
DiegoElArbol 1 year ago
2:45-2:50 = epic scene LOL
k0edby22 1 year ago
I wish that I had a teacher like Keaton and group of friends as shown in this movie.
paki3393 1 year ago 9
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Imagine all the actual people that did this because of their fathers...
AzNFrEnZy 1 year ago
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AzNFrEnZy 1 year ago
This is my first time watching this movie - Oh my god Neil Killed himself :( So sad, im in shock and on the verge of tears. He was the one eho was so enthusiatic of carpe diem as well at the beginning... just goes to show how parents do effect their kids.
MissSunshineFlirty 2 years ago 3
the end is good but still i hope we should saw that Mr. Perry would feel him guilty....
edderd8 2 years ago 2
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he shouldve just accepted his son as a queer
chitownreak 2 years ago
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rolf
Useless2112 2 years ago
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5:05
after he screamed neil and took a face plant afterwards i couldnt resist laughing in my class
myaccissofake 2 years ago
oh my god i just hope that my teacher won`t use either scenes here for my test tomorrow. cause i`ll start crying and then there is no way that i`m gonna be able to write a characterization.
sasa8881 2 years ago
i can understand Neil 100 percently...:/
I m near to look for a gun, sculpting is my life, i am good in it, but it s "forbidden" here at home....:'(
Jugadert 2 years ago
In order to suck the marrow out of life...you must stay alive. Neil did not try hard enough to live up to the DPS message. So sad, a beautiful young life cut short.
lawman7117 2 years ago 68
@lawman7117 It isn't that he didn't try hard enough. Have you ever felt the same way he did? These people try and TRY, Neil did try. He tried to earn his Dad's approval but his dad was just an ungrateful bastard. Even if the Dad didn't kill Neil himself, its still murder. The dad drove him to it.
SaltAndPepper09 1 year ago 2
@lawman7117
You're right, but I think Neil must have thought something like "I dont wanna spend my whole life the way you want; i want to suck out all the marrow out of life, or die if I cant have it my way" So in a way he sorta did act like a true member of the DPS.
NeilaSnD 1 year ago
@lawman7117 he broke free from his father's hold and ran free, even if for only a moment. but what a moment!
defiantwon33 1 year ago
@lawman7117.CARPE DIEM.
diztanguy 1 year ago
Yes Mr Adminstrator...Did you learn anything by such a tragedy? no, probably not
judyrusso 2 years ago
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i have been forced to watch this movie through my class and i would rather kill myself then watch this ever again
sledder07 2 years ago
And yet you're watching it on youtube...
hopefullyjh 2 years ago 17
One of my favorite movies!
FeiLanTang 2 years ago 2
I was sick to my stomach watching this. :( Terrific movie though...
otdtyh 2 years ago
Wtf?! Why does my favorite character ALWAYS die?
What a sad scene...I came very close to crying...
mfoxie0x 2 years ago 6
ur not the only one dude :(
pooperthedooper 2 years ago
Alternate ending:
He lived and became a doctor who would work alongside House. He also changed his name to Wilson, but he still dreams of what could have happened if he stuck to acting.
FadeLLW 2 years ago 48
thats hilarious
bluejaysification 2 years ago
An ending that is pleasing. But Wilson is quite different to Neil and people don't change that much. I hope.
Renabulous 1 year ago
@FadeLLW and he'd be unhappy .
tara8686 1 year ago
Neil's father... one of the most hated fictitious characters ever
DiegoElArbol 2 years ago 6
what neil did was sad and wrong but you have to realise how he knows that things will never get better and with his father he will never have a choice and things will always be bad
1motorbreath 2 years ago 2
dad doing wat He thinks is best...nuff said
1motorbreath 2 years ago
As much as people hate his Dad, he's only doing what he thinks is best for his son. Just look at his reaction when he finds him dead.
He really loved him, and was doing his best. Parenting has come a long ways, and that was pretty standard for the day.
People used to give human sacrafices to gods long ago, yet they were doing what was 'right'. You can't judge actions by current standards or the standards of a different culture. Or at least you shouldn't.
3point14rat 2 years ago 4
His dad didn't love him, and the reaction is shock, anyone would react that way. He probably felt extremely shocked and overwhelmed with guilt
shottinguneye 2 years ago
we know he loved him but he was gifted student who would prmoise to fullfill his fathers request but he wanted to do something that he liked, its not like he would take acting up as a career maybe something to do in his freetime. He is a very smart student
catherinefan32 2 years ago
"Parenting has come a long ways, and that was pretty standard for the day."
And it would still be the standard of the day today if it was left up to people like Neil's father. And indeed 90% of the public.
ultramagellan 2 years ago
are u saying 90 % of the public would rather the customs of those days?
bluejaysification 2 years ago
the end does not justify means
Ahllan05 2 years ago 3
I don't condone his methods, but I can see he's got his families best intentions in mind.
If my son wants to be an actor, great. If he wants to be a zoologist, great. If he wants to work with the poor, great. As long as he chooses what he's passionate about, I'll be behind him 100%.
My father is a hard working farmer with different ideas so I never had that freedom. But I know his reasons and have great respect for him.
Don't judge from your vantage point. Use theirs.
Peace.
3point14rat 2 years ago 6
This is soo sad! and so touching. I always cry when this bit comes on.
RebeccaMary04 2 years ago
I can't believe they could sing. When i was at my grandpa's funeral i tried to sing but eventually just stopped and cried...
WildfireBiggestFan32 2 years ago
men always try and put on a front. even young men. but not all of them are singing.
Renabulous 1 year ago
Gee. I wonder just how nice, neat and orderly Mr. and Mrs. Perry's lives were after their son killed himself.
collegeman1988 2 years ago 2
Our class studied this film. It was so good, this is my favorite scene.
mellowmeful 2 years ago 2
in this day and time if something like this happend the school would be sued. I grew up around a few guys that i know thier fathers were insanely strict on them, it was sad because they were good kids but you could tell thier spirt was broken and they were meerly pawns for thier parents wishes...ive got a 7 year old but im rasing her in the lioght of the world is her oyster because i think good kids can find theings for themswelves, i cant contro her destiny or mine..sad yet wonderful movie..
sprintbass 2 years ago 7
I wonder how they got the cordite smoke to just hang in the room without post production editing.
loonmaniac 2 years ago
Does anyone know what the song is they sing at the funeral? I know it's psalm 23, but what version? I can't seem to find it anywhere else...
I'd be grateful for any info;)
yda1740 2 years ago
I believe it is the hymn "The Lord's My Shepherd" composed by Jessie S. Irvine =)
musenica 2 years ago
thanks;)
yda1740 2 years ago
What the hell, they all signed the document? You've gotta be kidding me. Without a spine, its a wonder these kids are able to walk.
DecayingGreyPlanets 2 years ago
they had to sign and I don't think it would have made a difference to Keating's being fired anyway. Had they refused another way would have been found. There was no point in jeopardizing their own futures for no reason, Keating would not have wanted that either
yda1740 2 years ago
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you've gotta be kidding me... He killed himself because he would have to go to military school? seriously wtf lol
DecayingGreyPlanets 2 years ago
He killed himself because he had no control of his life. He couldn't do anything he wanted and all the decisions were made by his father. I'm not saying he should have killed himself, I just mean he wasn't going through life without his own path.
ZTubeAdult 2 years ago 3
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I know he felt like he didn't have control over his life but he really did and ten years at military school wouldn't kill him. Once he got done he would be free to do as he pleased anyway.
DecayingGreyPlanets 2 years ago
DecayingGreyPlanets
u just don't get it?
ovetjkin 2 years ago
i think that neil killing himself was the only choice he has every made by himself and its ironic and sad that it would mean the end of his life.
however it is funny that this actor went on to play wilson in house - in this movie he didnt want to go to medical school but in house he's a doctor lol
blckbooty 2 years ago 3
To me the most heartbreaking part is how Todd reacts, how he can' t believe his dearest friend in the world, the gentlest, kindest spirit would kill himself and leave him. And when he screams for Neil and stands on that dock all alone with that gorgeous flute melody playing. My eyes brim with tears everytime.
zinnycat1597 2 years ago 9
What is it that Todd screams as he's running through the snow? It's my favourite scene in the movie. It's so beautiful and heartwrenching but I can never seem to catch that last bit.
soapboxbabies 2 years ago
Sounds like he's screaming "Neil"
boundforfame 2 years ago
he screams "Neil"
gumbiproductions 2 years ago 2