“We disqualified this player for Stalling, after it was observed that his play speed seemed to change based on his observation of the clock. It was observed by a high-level judge that twice in the round he appeared to change his play speed based on considerations that were outside the game. "
Saito is a pro magic player. he's in consideration for the HOF. Rereading cards again and again seems out of character for a guy who should know what Jace the Mindsculptor does.
@AtarashiiBlog because there are time limits at sanctioned events. its game 3 of your round and you and your opponent are in a heated game. 10 minutes are called until the round is over, and your opponent pulls off a move that puts him ahead of you in Life totals. 4 minutes are called, and all of a sudden your opponent takes 30-45 seconds to stall by reading what cards do, thinking about whether to play a land or not. you could have won the game but now the round is over. stalling is cheating.
Saito is simply using the rules to his advantage. It's not really sportmanship but in this case and others I cannot blame him. The risk and stakes are high. Some people just wish bad luck upon you without saying it.
@mrploch because he would intentionally stall. anything from taking forever to shuffle from staring at his hand forever to reading an opponents cards just to kill time. he would play slow, win game 1, then stall out so that he would get a 1-0-1 win
@mrploch He got suspended for stalling in general. He's known for reading cards he 100% what they do when he's ahead (like frigging 5 times in 2 rounds) and all that kind of stuff. He's a dirty cheater and deserves the ban.
Put all your cards you want one of in your openting hand (sideboard cards, often) on top of the deck. Do Saito's shuffle. The top cards do not change despite 1000 shuffles. Then at the end, do the pile sorting he does. This distributes the sideboard cards evenly throughout your deck so you get one in your opening hand or draw in the first two draw steps. It's a total cheat.
@KrankesHirn If you shuffle the heck out of it, sure. However, the point of appearing to be taking waaaaaay too long to shuffle on Saito's part means that only the suspicious will shuffle the heck out of the deck. Most players will cut to get the whole thing over with since it has already taken so long (and, wow, he has sure been shuffling a lot, so it must be randomized, the opp thinks).
It's a well-understood statistical trend that seven shuffles sufficiently randomizes a 52-card deck. Any more shuffles don't really do anything.
Of course, this is a 60-card deck, but still, this guy shuffles 17 times, if I'm counting correctly. He could've stopped at 0:20 and achieved nearly the same level of randomization.
@Ashgrimm That wouldn't randomize your cards very well though, which is the entire point of shuffling. Saito didn't even spend very long shuffling his deck. He only took 49 seconds, though you are allowed 3 minutes.
@thekhorneflake nothing wrong with shuffling your deck to randomize it, but shuffling your opponents deck for so long (specially if he has already shuffled quite much) , thats just wrong
@ColdGambler He needs to reshuffle to make sure his opponent gets a bad hand, he is trying to reverse his opponent's shuffle to make piles of bad card. The rules give u 2 minutes to reshuffle your opponent's deck, this is pro tour, the 49 seconds he used might be crucial in winning thousands of dollars. Why don't you slander couch potatoes, xbox live users, they are all wasting time, so are you when you post that comment. Practice what you preach, think before you speak.
When I play a yugioh with my friends we usually spend a minute or two shuffling usually creating a battle plan in my head so I find this perfectly fine.
what a dumb ass useless waste of time , if he plays 100 games he would have wasted 4900 seconds , or almost 82 minutes. Shit that´s retarded , no offense
@ColdGambler Saito actually shuffles for a shorter time period than most pro or top level players. If you've ever seen an SCG Open even event, they spend 10-15 minutes in between games one and two, half of it shuffling. The point of this vid isn't how long he shuffles, its how awesome it is.
@Chikokishi you gotta turn them horizontally whenever that happens to me my cards are always vertical. dont know how i just thought that but i did lol
@Chikokishi Go in from the sides not from bottom to of sleeves to top of sleeve, it looks like hes going in from the top with the shuffle here buts hes actually going in on a angle into the side at the very top with the corner. If you do this shuffle from bottom going into top you will break a ton of sleeves.
Saito was discovered to be cheating during this tournament for waiting out the clock to the effect of altering gaming strategy for he and his opponent. He was also caught shuffling his deck in this same manner without any effect in play to stipulate the action of shuffling, which analysts have pointed out could be an indicator that Saito knew his draws before they came up. Those sleeves that he's is using are usually suspect to this kind of tampering, as well as any sleeves that come in 2 packs.
Honestly this is really smart, look at his opponent, he is gettng angry, thats perfect for him, if you lay with anger your not going to think plays through
I want to know more about that clear blue deck box Saito's got. Japanese players always find these awesome foreign deck boxes like that one. Brandless, transparent, and compact size. Wouldn't be surprised if it wasn't even made for trading cards but coincidentally fit a whole sleeved deck.
If anyone knows that deck box or similar some info would be greatly appreciated. Closest I can think of is index card holders or a Max Protection horizontal translucent box.
Dude got Saito Stalled. If it was the Saito Shuffle, that'd be one thing, but he was just cutting in for almost a solid minute, so this is definitely a case of the Saito Stall. I'm surprised he didn't stop, check his sideboard, and then go back to shuffling.
He's looking up so he doesn't accidentally see his bottom and middle cards while he shuffles. It's really easy to your bottom and middle cards when you're shuffling vertically, so, he does this to avoid a judge penalty.
@Xoxaloacetate but he wouldnt have been shuffling for 49 seconds, the other guy was sitting there waiting after he had already shuffled the deck with blue sleeves
@Xoxaloacetate but he wouldnt have been shuffling for 49 seconds, the other guy was sitting there waiting after he had already shuffled the deck with blue sleeves
yeah, if you just watch the video once, it seems like he is saying something in response to Saito shuffling. However, he's just saying something to the judge (i think its a judge).
gosh he made it that far and he dosent know how important is to shuffle............i play at school for fun with my freinds and i still that time to shuffle
He didn't say that about him shuffling. He said "That's enough rules" or something like that, in response to what the guy off-camera says to him. Any pro magic players know that people can take as long as they want to shuffle, within reason.
lol who is he playing against.. i don't think he understand how important it is to shuffle lol.. he is prolly another one of these guys with great decks, that loose cus they draw 6 lands hands in their domain zoo... SHUFFLE amg..
He's efficient. It takes me so much longer to do this.
matcheck 1 day ago
lol, the other guy looks annoyed
bo14in 2 days ago
Why is everyone butt hurt about this? I think it's cool.
TheJazzSwings 2 days ago
They see me shufflin'...
HakeshuxNathan 3 days ago
wtf is this idiot doing this isnt hot to shuffle cards....thats be an assHOLE.. thinks hes cool..
....i guess he lost.
why they cant shuffle the normal way....i hate it when ppl doing this ...bunch of loosers...
TheAndroidMafia 1 week ago
@TheAndroidMafia They're using sleeves.. they'd get ripped and stuck together
loggnogg 1 week ago
LOOK! every time i tap these on the table something amazing happens on the ceiling. He is pretty quick at the last part though.
zero2583 1 week ago
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dont promote slow play X(
FSDarkWatch 2 weeks ago
The guy's face at 0:25 is priceless.
skip8619 2 weeks ago
Uhh......God? Glitch?
yourfavoritecards 3 weeks ago
lol his opponent is like" Hurry the fuck up!!!"
maxsonly 1 month ago 7
“We disqualified this player for Stalling, after it was observed that his play speed seemed to change based on his observation of the clock. It was observed by a high-level judge that twice in the round he appeared to change his play speed based on considerations that were outside the game. "
Saito is a pro magic player. he's in consideration for the HOF. Rereading cards again and again seems out of character for a guy who should know what Jace the Mindsculptor does.
LegendInc 2 months ago 9
Why stalling is worth a ban, I know some Magic Players that can be very impatient, but who cares if he stall
AtarashiiBlog 2 months ago
@AtarashiiBlog because there are time limits at sanctioned events. its game 3 of your round and you and your opponent are in a heated game. 10 minutes are called until the round is over, and your opponent pulls off a move that puts him ahead of you in Life totals. 4 minutes are called, and all of a sudden your opponent takes 30-45 seconds to stall by reading what cards do, thinking about whether to play a land or not. you could have won the game but now the round is over. stalling is cheating.
LegendInc 2 months ago 8
It takes him near a minute to shuffle like that!?!?
animensane1995 2 months ago
Holy shit that is annoying...
DuDaze1981 2 months ago
"Just fucking Cut my god damn deck already its been 15 minutes....."
chris80rowland 3 months ago
Asshole!
iwanttoknowwhodislik 3 months ago
what an idiot lol :D
MichelNieuwegein 3 months ago
Arnošt Žídek - Bánská university Ostrava. Czech republic :-D PS:dík za trojku z matiky :-D
kurinking 3 months ago
Saito is simply using the rules to his advantage. It's not really sportmanship but in this case and others I cannot blame him. The risk and stakes are high. Some people just wish bad luck upon you without saying it.
KilliaK 3 months ago
@KilliaK what?
TheStfu1000 3 months ago
His opponent's expression & mannerisms were pretty amusing.
naejin 3 months ago
what game is this??
VanMcChicken97 3 months ago
press 5 his jerking off
spazrex123 3 months ago
that oppenement look pist with all that shufflin
spazrex123 3 months ago
Let me read this Jace.
How much time is left?
How many cards in your grave?
How much time is left?
What does Jace say again?
How many cards in your grave?
How much time is left?............... Turn 2: Land.........
How many cards are in your grave?
scarred50 3 months ago 5
Someone's opponent is getting really pissed... Watch your back dude when the tour is over...
FartFatale 3 months ago
The other guy's like: "Yeah, we all know about your cool shuffilng and that you're gonna kick mi ass. Just let's get this over with"
KrankesHirn 4 months ago
and thats why he got a 1.5 year suspension
Stopbanningmeazholes 4 months ago 66
@Stopbanningmeazholes but why did they suspend him? i thkn thats pretty good shuffling
mrploch 3 months ago
@mrploch because he would intentionally stall. anything from taking forever to shuffle from staring at his hand forever to reading an opponents cards just to kill time. he would play slow, win game 1, then stall out so that he would get a 1-0-1 win
Stopbanningmeazholes 3 months ago
@mrploch He got suspended for stalling in general. He's known for reading cards he 100% what they do when he's ahead (like frigging 5 times in 2 rounds) and all that kind of stuff. He's a dirty cheater and deserves the ban.
CeterumCenseo85 2 months ago
@CeterumCenseo85 how is stalling cheating?
gothikgamer 2 months ago
@Stopbanningmeazholes for doing what? Not being a jerkoff I genuinely don't know any of the rules lol
Riles07 4 days ago
His opponent must want to shoot him.
mythic456 4 months ago
Put all your cards you want one of in your openting hand (sideboard cards, often) on top of the deck. Do Saito's shuffle. The top cards do not change despite 1000 shuffles. Then at the end, do the pile sorting he does. This distributes the sideboard cards evenly throughout your deck so you get one in your opening hand or draw in the first two draw steps. It's a total cheat.
jeopardyjeff 4 months ago
@jeopardyjeff Wow, You commented the same thing on two videos. But doesn't that gets fixed when the opponent gets to shuffle the deck?
KrankesHirn 3 months ago
@KrankesHirn If you shuffle the heck out of it, sure. However, the point of appearing to be taking waaaaaay too long to shuffle on Saito's part means that only the suspicious will shuffle the heck out of the deck. Most players will cut to get the whole thing over with since it has already taken so long (and, wow, he has sure been shuffling a lot, so it must be randomized, the opp thinks).
jeopardyjeff 3 months ago
He better have won that match.
Starmast3r 4 months ago 3
shuffle knock knock knock shuffle knock knock knock shuffle knock knock knock shuffle knock knock knock
AllStuffNerdy 4 months ago 3
the technique he used before splitting the pile is called Faro Shuffle
laichakyanmax 4 months ago
mindgames
iwanttobekobe 4 months ago
LOL
wohocho 4 months ago
White Guy: Ok, that's enough.
Saito: *Shuffles for 40 more seconds.*
TheKandkodos 4 months ago 5
@TheKandkodos lmao. So win. xD
Sirhyro 4 months ago
Pile shuffling is cheating, though...
sgamer69 5 months ago
@sgamer69 How so?
spencermarsbar 4 months ago
@sgamer69 Only if it's not combined with riffles/mashes/etc.
YoshiOfADown 4 months ago
It's a well-understood statistical trend that seven shuffles sufficiently randomizes a 52-card deck. Any more shuffles don't really do anything.
Of course, this is a 60-card deck, but still, this guy shuffles 17 times, if I'm counting correctly. He could've stopped at 0:20 and achieved nearly the same level of randomization.
19andoverlol 5 months ago
actually this is called "Pro Stalling".
Glcondray 5 months ago
Everyday i'm shufflin'...
TortillaGaming 5 months ago 77
@TortillaGaming Might want to stop shuffling and start playing.
RenegadeHero13 4 months ago
@TortillaGaming super lol
melarevanco 2 months ago
@TortillaGaming Party Rock Anthem (Everyday I'm Shuffling) while watching this vid :O
MegaHADOKEN 2 weeks ago
Lol "ok.. That's enough" hahaha.
serenades666 5 months ago 3
i would just shuffle once then cut in the middle. how hard is that? shuffling like a dick for 2 mins totally wastes the game
Ashgrimm 5 months ago
@Ashgrimm That wouldn't randomize your cards very well though, which is the entire point of shuffling. Saito didn't even spend very long shuffling his deck. He only took 49 seconds, though you are allowed 3 minutes.
thekhorneflake 5 months ago
@thekhorneflake nothing wrong with shuffling your deck to randomize it, but shuffling your opponents deck for so long (specially if he has already shuffled quite much) , thats just wrong
Ashgrimm 5 months ago
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Ashgrimm 5 months ago
Everyday I'm shufffffling.
icyice519 5 months ago
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vcvanillacoke 6 months ago
Wow it looks like Saito is having an orgasm.
cod007skilldfan 6 months ago 4
@ColdGambler He needs to reshuffle to make sure his opponent gets a bad hand, he is trying to reverse his opponent's shuffle to make piles of bad card. The rules give u 2 minutes to reshuffle your opponent's deck, this is pro tour, the 49 seconds he used might be crucial in winning thousands of dollars. Why don't you slander couch potatoes, xbox live users, they are all wasting time, so are you when you post that comment. Practice what you preach, think before you speak.
StreethingX 6 months ago 6
When I play a yugioh with my friends we usually spend a minute or two shuffling usually creating a battle plan in my head so I find this perfectly fine.
SmashleyHer 6 months ago
what a dumb ass useless waste of time , if he plays 100 games he would have wasted 4900 seconds , or almost 82 minutes. Shit that´s retarded , no offense
ColdGambler 6 months ago
@ColdGambler Saito actually shuffles for a shorter time period than most pro or top level players. If you've ever seen an SCG Open even event, they spend 10-15 minutes in between games one and two, half of it shuffling. The point of this vid isn't how long he shuffles, its how awesome it is.
trysephiroth007 6 months ago
@trysephiroth007 so the pros wate even more time , which is even more awful
ColdGambler 6 months ago
@ColdGambler lol, sadly enough, yes
trysephiroth007 6 months ago
@ColdGambler I agree, just put your hand and graveyard on top of your deck after a game and draw your seven cards. Time is precious FFS !
B0mbad 6 months ago
I have a minor case of OCD and i find this perfectly acceptable. And if hes still within the time limit, then why the hell not?
BelieMyBurial 6 months ago
Vzdyt je to Arnost Zidek :D
balonekhonzik 7 months ago
lmao i just heard the american say "thats enough" like twice. What a douche
Chikokishi 7 months ago
@Chikokishi hes was talking to the judge to saito..
johnxdoexsays 7 months ago
Every time i try that all my sleeves just go inside each other. Any tips?
Chikokishi 7 months ago
@Chikokishi you gotta turn them horizontally whenever that happens to me my cards are always vertical. dont know how i just thought that but i did lol
ODJIN5000 7 months ago
@Chikokishi Go in from the sides not from bottom to of sleeves to top of sleeve, it looks like hes going in from the top with the shuffle here buts hes actually going in on a angle into the side at the very top with the corner. If you do this shuffle from bottom going into top you will break a ton of sleeves.
DougDoesIt 4 months ago
im speechless
ShadowCards123 7 months ago
To anyone talking about how his shuffling was stalling: You get three minutes to sideboard and shuffle. 0:49 < 3:00.
thopko 7 months ago 2
That's pretty much GG if its first turn.
xmasboy69 7 months ago
That was pretty short compared to some people who pile shuffle three times...
carefulsubliminal 7 months ago
and thats part of the reasons he is suspended for stalling.
Burntoutglowstick 8 months ago
maybe he just has OCD
dawdy666 8 months ago
someone's obviously anal about shuffling
Rikuearth 8 months ago
I'd punch that douche in the face.
dirkdirden 8 months ago
Saito was discovered to be cheating during this tournament for waiting out the clock to the effect of altering gaming strategy for he and his opponent. He was also caught shuffling his deck in this same manner without any effect in play to stipulate the action of shuffling, which analysts have pointed out could be an indicator that Saito knew his draws before they came up. Those sleeves that he's is using are usually suspect to this kind of tampering, as well as any sleeves that come in 2 packs.
ThugAim 9 months ago
@ThugAim yep that what he is doing is called a false shuffling what cheat
vosebroy2 8 months ago
Honestly this is really smart, look at his opponent, he is gettng angry, thats perfect for him, if you lay with anger your not going to think plays through
weirdtimes2004 9 months ago 4
I think it's a great thing that he takes that long to shuffle. There's nothing wrong with it at all
saxman52 9 months ago
the first part of the shuffling looks pretty simple
mrmagic351 10 months ago
obviously the white guy is constipated:/
bigBandbigC 10 months ago 2
yo le hubiera cortado las manos con una Katana... que cansino
RoronoaDarki 10 months ago
hell yea!!
LordSolar6G75 11 months ago
dont you have two minuetes to shuffle?
ryanhannahfan 11 months ago
this dude has a great startegy, bore his opponent into jus quitting XD
spanishboi7 11 months ago
this is so hot for some reason I should not be finding that hot
healingv1sion 11 months ago
His opponent looks so irritated.
RedCatalyst 1 year ago
I want to know more about that clear blue deck box Saito's got. Japanese players always find these awesome foreign deck boxes like that one. Brandless, transparent, and compact size. Wouldn't be surprised if it wasn't even made for trading cards but coincidentally fit a whole sleeved deck.
If anyone knows that deck box or similar some info would be greatly appreciated. Closest I can think of is index card holders or a Max Protection horizontal translucent box.
eAZaku 1 year ago
Oops, my bad. Posted that before the video even ended, heh. He DID do the Saito Shuffle.
iratebeaver29 1 year ago
Dude got Saito Stalled. If it was the Saito Shuffle, that'd be one thing, but he was just cutting in for almost a solid minute, so this is definitely a case of the Saito Stall. I'm surprised he didn't stop, check his sideboard, and then go back to shuffling.
iratebeaver29 1 year ago
ten seconds later saito mulligans
lukesta12 1 year ago 5
"that's enough." at 0:10
patsfaninct 1 year ago
mind game lol
xterra06 1 year ago
Damn asians and their fancy, efficient, flashy, better-than-average skills at EVERYTHING.
GreelTheMindRaker 1 year ago 28
@GreelTheMindRaker Yeah you can tell the other guy is like "LET"S JUST FUCKING PLAY ALREADY!"
8bit737 4 months ago 4
Lol I shuffle the same way. I just hate getting mana screwed.
wjlaboy10 1 year ago
Japanese are such over achievers. And for what? To quote the flavor text of the M10 edition "Shatter":
"Days of planning. Weeks of building. Months of perfecting. 49 seconds of pissing off my opponent."
HwoarangtheBoomerang 1 year ago
trolololo
ShinobiBoiX 1 year ago
I've shuffled for almost 2 minutes before, I'd rather take too long than get called on illegal shuffles personally
Slagomancer 1 year ago
I got friends like that too, they spend more time shuffeling then playing, and we are amatures....
MMAProfessor 1 year ago
Lol this is a good way to confuse your opponent before a game XD.
It's really cool :P
SorinMarkov666 1 year ago
That dude spends too much time shuffling lol. That 2nd trick must have taken weeks to master.
whoshotya117 1 year ago
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little do you know, this is after he used a fetchland lol
TazAgainstTheMachine 1 year ago
saito gets down
niggerjosh 1 year ago
That's the way it should be. i mean i hate seeing people shuffle their decks for like 10 seconds and saying that their done.
RalosMetsys 1 year ago
He's looking up so he doesn't accidentally see his bottom and middle cards while he shuffles. It's really easy to your bottom and middle cards when you're shuffling vertically, so, he does this to avoid a judge penalty.
darvoz 1 year ago
he is constantly looking up.. is he praying? o_o
MtgAmateur 1 year ago
@MtgAmateur no. if opponents sees that you're looking at your deck while shuffling, could call a judge telling that you were ordering hands/draws.
TSALBIK 1 year ago
what card game is this?
mrmodernkillz 1 year ago
@mrmodernkillz its magic the gathering. didnt mean to thunbs up this but w/e
boomboom201 1 year ago
why does he look up so much?
pheanoblack 1 year ago
@pheanoblack confusing his opponent :D
kopstas123 1 year ago
@kopstas123 i think i know why now
its so that his opponent doesnt think hes stacking while hes cutting his own deck
pheanoblack 1 year ago
Im copying this shuffle style
Duobitdezo 1 year ago
lol he said "thats enough"
theandwellman 1 year ago 4
Sleep LOL
amolbb 1 year ago
why the hell he looks up?
memokk 1 year ago
@memokk He looks up so he doesn't inadvertently see any of the cards when he shuffles
F4RR3L2 1 year ago
@memokk He is looking at Jesus for help!
AGomez1821 1 year ago
thats some badass shuffling.
SheikTheGeek 2 years ago
His deck is already presented, I think the judge asked him to shuffle more and he is asking Saito if it was ok? Hence Saito nodding "Yes".
ContainsIt 2 years ago
i dont see anything wrong about shuffling for 49 seconds
Xoxaloacetate 2 years ago 108
@Xoxaloacetate lol....its a lot of time..dude
memokk 1 year ago
@Xoxaloacetate i will laugh after all that shuffling he lost
Csharpguitarist 11 months ago 6
@Xoxaloacetate Yeah rules give you 3 minutes. I usually take at least 2. :D
t2vanden 9 months ago
@Xoxaloacetate but he wouldnt have been shuffling for 49 seconds, the other guy was sitting there waiting after he had already shuffled the deck with blue sleeves
SporkyPoo 5 months ago
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@Xoxaloacetate but he wouldnt have been shuffling for 49 seconds, the other guy was sitting there waiting after he had already shuffled the deck with blue sleeves
SporkyPoo 5 months ago
yeah, if you just watch the video once, it seems like he is saying something in response to Saito shuffling. However, he's just saying something to the judge (i think its a judge).
Cruzmissile23 2 years ago
it sounds like thats enough "proof "our "rules"
kaveman013 2 years ago
gosh he made it that far and he dosent know how important is to shuffle............i play at school for fun with my freinds and i still that time to shuffle
changgooey 2 years ago
omgsoh did u hear him
changgooey 2 years ago
shame to his opponent! what kind of attitude is that?
onimusha333 2 years ago
is he faroi-ing the cards each time>?
UnknownMagician93 2 years ago
The card covers make it much easier, but therefore not as precise as a normal faro shuffle.
MartinStuessy 2 years ago
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agdstardust 2 years ago
lol he keeps looking at the camera like wtf
JSManuSniper 2 years ago
He didn't say that about him shuffling. He said "That's enough rules" or something like that, in response to what the guy off-camera says to him. Any pro magic players know that people can take as long as they want to shuffle, within reason.
CarnivorousFilms 2 years ago
Dissapponted that he's about to get his ass kicked, no doubt. And he has to wait for it to happen. xD
gl0stix 2 years ago
His opponent is kinda disappointed =D
vanillOUT 2 years ago
lol who is he playing against.. i don't think he understand how important it is to shuffle lol.. he is prolly another one of these guys with great decks, that loose cus they draw 6 lands hands in their domain zoo... SHUFFLE amg..
MrsRandomMadeMeDoIt 2 years ago
Haha. Look at his opponent.
SuperShibbyDude 2 years ago 98
@SuperShibbyDude probably getting his ass handed to him lol
ChiisuKaru 1 year ago