I think Marcion's rationale was somewhat beyond "eh...I don't like that one, take it out." He seems to have based his theology on Galatians 1:6-10, concluding from this passage that the Gospel and even the Apostle Paul himself was badly corrupted, and so undertook to restore the texts by removing what he saw as interpolations.
This video is nonstop errors. Marcion lived in the 2nd century. The God of the Old Testament is named Yahweh, not Jehovah. Marcion's gospel was a heavily edited version of Luke's gospel. We might be able to assume that Marcion had the same beliefs as Paul, who didn't believe everyone would be saved, just everyone who had faith in Jesus. Paul believed the OT god was just, not evil. Paul didn't think Jesus just appeared on earth, & believed he was the Jewish messiah. Marcionism isn't Gnosticism.
I am Christian and I DO accept the Teachings of Master Marcion. Love and Light.
(Stop saying things that are incorrect. The statement at the end of this video is relative to the individual, not the Masses of Ancient and Modern Christianity.)
@mili7i "you cant claim to belong to jesus and believe the teachings of marcion !"
Why not? Christians don't have to follow any teachings of the old testament. Romans 3:28 - "we are made right with God through faith and not by obeying the law". The only unforgivable sin is blaspheming the Holy Spirit, not the Father. Mark 3:28-29 - "all sin and blasphemy can be forgiven, but anyone who blasphemes the Holy Spirit will never be forgiven"
@mili7i You can't claim to belong to Jesus and believe the teachings of the Talmud, meaning you cannot be a "Judeo-Christian" because both ideologies contradict one another. Marcion was correct, the Old Testament God was an inferior Sumerian/Hebrew God, not a God of love that Jesus had preached about. Jesus saves us FROM that God so that we wouldn't be judges BY that God. You have a long way to go in both understanding and deciphering scripture....
It's a shame some aspects of Marcionism did not prevail as the mainstream view. Christianity would have been better off without the Old Testament, or indeed without the Gospel of Matthew, which suggests that God could not think of a way of coming to earth in a way that avoided a massacre of babies. Most Christians mentally edit out bits of the Bible that contradict what they want to believe anyway. Who believes in a god who ordered the death by stoning of a man for gathering wood on the sabbath?
@rahotep101 I agree it is uncomfortable to say it but the god of the Jew is a wicked god and he has poisoned that tribe until this day too bad it has infected the christians and the muhammadians too. The point about killing babies just from a literay and historical point herod never killed any babies, it's not even in the bible. it is a myth made up by later christians that still persists to this day. Go check the book of matthew it's not in there.
@holypsychopath The massacre of the innocents may have been invented to link Jesus' birth to the birth of Moses (and that episode of baby killing may also be mythical, as genocide of infants was hardly in accordance with Ma'at, the moral principle of Egypt.) No other historical source mentions the massacre ordered by Herod, but it's not out of character. He was known for his brutaluty and paranoia, even having his own wife condemned. The massacre is mentioned in Matthew, though. Matt 2.16.
Marcion rejected the old testament because he first became a christian in Rome and saw a god of total love, Jesus. he latter read the old testament because he read about YHWH being among other things jealous, wrathful, killing the first born of egypt, demanding a genocide in cannan at the hands of Joshua etc... he could not reconcile this with the love he found in the teachings of jesus therefore he saw two different and opposing gods. The evil god of creation and the good god of spirit
@holypsychopath@rahotep101@irendelle It's impossible to know exactly what Marcion's beliefs were because everything we know about him comes from his opponents, who lumped marcionism in with gnosticism.
I'm agnostic/atheist, but I understood the differences between God in the OT/NT this way: In OT times, humanity was an immature child who needed strict discipline & tough love. By Jesus' time, humanity had matured & was set free. We don't need an overbearing parent telling us what to do anymore.
I can easily prove this wrong. Please PM me so I can set you straight mam.
pandirasbox 2 months ago
This is the worst explanation of Marcion I've ever seen. Though I can't say i've seen too many.
Xoroaster 5 months ago
if u add a H and switch e and s, then you get chocolate...
MrWAZZAPDUDE 6 months ago
I think Marcion's rationale was somewhat beyond "eh...I don't like that one, take it out." He seems to have based his theology on Galatians 1:6-10, concluding from this passage that the Gospel and even the Apostle Paul himself was badly corrupted, and so undertook to restore the texts by removing what he saw as interpolations.
rjporter8 9 months ago
This video is nonstop errors. Marcion lived in the 2nd century. The God of the Old Testament is named Yahweh, not Jehovah. Marcion's gospel was a heavily edited version of Luke's gospel. We might be able to assume that Marcion had the same beliefs as Paul, who didn't believe everyone would be saved, just everyone who had faith in Jesus. Paul believed the OT god was just, not evil. Paul didn't think Jesus just appeared on earth, & believed he was the Jewish messiah. Marcionism isn't Gnosticism.
KayBeeEee1983 10 months ago
I am Christian and I DO accept the Teachings of Master Marcion. Love and Light.
(Stop saying things that are incorrect. The statement at the end of this video is relative to the individual, not the Masses of Ancient and Modern Christianity.)
guckenberger 1 year ago
@guckenberger
you cant claim to belong to jesus and believe the teachings of marcion !
mili7i 11 months ago
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@mili7i "you cant claim to belong to jesus and believe the teachings of marcion !"
Why not? Christians don't have to follow any teachings of the old testament. Romans 3:28 - "we are made right with God through faith and not by obeying the law". The only unforgivable sin is blaspheming the Holy Spirit, not the Father. Mark 3:28-29 - "all sin and blasphemy can be forgiven, but anyone who blasphemes the Holy Spirit will never be forgiven"
KayBeeEee1983 10 months ago
@mili7i You can't claim to belong to Jesus and believe the teachings of the Talmud, meaning you cannot be a "Judeo-Christian" because both ideologies contradict one another. Marcion was correct, the Old Testament God was an inferior Sumerian/Hebrew God, not a God of love that Jesus had preached about. Jesus saves us FROM that God so that we wouldn't be judges BY that God. You have a long way to go in both understanding and deciphering scripture....
StreetLethalRacing 6 months ago
@StreetLethalRacing -----who says i believe in the teachings of the talmud? The Word of God speaks for Himself-------wake up from your dream !!!!
mili7i 6 months ago
@mili7i When did I claim this? Who said that your beliefs were superior to anyone elses? Did you copyright Jesus?
guckenberger 2 months ago
The idea of a miraculous birth is still held in the minds of all men who believe in Super Men.
guckenberger 1 year ago
It's a shame some aspects of Marcionism did not prevail as the mainstream view. Christianity would have been better off without the Old Testament, or indeed without the Gospel of Matthew, which suggests that God could not think of a way of coming to earth in a way that avoided a massacre of babies. Most Christians mentally edit out bits of the Bible that contradict what they want to believe anyway. Who believes in a god who ordered the death by stoning of a man for gathering wood on the sabbath?
rahotep101 1 year ago
@rahotep101 I agree it is uncomfortable to say it but the god of the Jew is a wicked god and he has poisoned that tribe until this day too bad it has infected the christians and the muhammadians too. The point about killing babies just from a literay and historical point herod never killed any babies, it's not even in the bible. it is a myth made up by later christians that still persists to this day. Go check the book of matthew it's not in there.
holypsychopath 1 year ago
@holypsychopath The massacre of the innocents may have been invented to link Jesus' birth to the birth of Moses (and that episode of baby killing may also be mythical, as genocide of infants was hardly in accordance with Ma'at, the moral principle of Egypt.) No other historical source mentions the massacre ordered by Herod, but it's not out of character. He was known for his brutaluty and paranoia, even having his own wife condemned. The massacre is mentioned in Matthew, though. Matt 2.16.
rahotep101 1 year ago
Marcion rejected the old testament because he first became a christian in Rome and saw a god of total love, Jesus. he latter read the old testament because he read about YHWH being among other things jealous, wrathful, killing the first born of egypt, demanding a genocide in cannan at the hands of Joshua etc... he could not reconcile this with the love he found in the teachings of jesus therefore he saw two different and opposing gods. The evil god of creation and the good god of spirit
holypsychopath 1 year ago
@holypsychopath makes sense ...
irendelle 1 year ago
@holypsychopath @rahotep101 @irendelle It's impossible to know exactly what Marcion's beliefs were because everything we know about him comes from his opponents, who lumped marcionism in with gnosticism.
I'm agnostic/atheist, but I understood the differences between God in the OT/NT this way: In OT times, humanity was an immature child who needed strict discipline & tough love. By Jesus' time, humanity had matured & was set free. We don't need an overbearing parent telling us what to do anymore.
KayBeeEee1983 10 months ago
CORRECTION: marcion lived in the middle of the second century not the first. Jesus lived in the middle of the first century.
holypsychopath 1 year ago