Oriely is off. Period. He is a banker freind. An Elitist if you will. because I guarantee if he wasnt he would not be working and that NWO Fox News. The bankers love him because he is for the lies that is being fed into us about Al-CIA-da and Gadafi and now Iran.
Habakkuk 1:17 how long will they continue to empty their net destroying nations without mercy?
Wow TYT looking at these comments I do not have to post anything you've been schooled for sure . But I'm sure your liberalism will prevent you from absorbing the facts.
Nonsensical, fruitless waste of a video on fallacious point-scoring.
Jefferson gave numerous mention to the evils of tyrannical government press and propaganda. He believed that when freed, the press would play an instrumental role in protecting the people from the creep of tyranny.
Actually Bill does NAIL THAT ISSUE. He specifically stated that Jefferson recognized that the press would help monitor the politicians and if you constrict the press (See the USSR or Communist China or Cuba, etc..) then you do not have that overseeing independent body.
The press today does have at least 2 competing views on current events...especially politics and I think that's kind of the point. If you have opposing views than you can ensure freedom. One view means Nazi Germany or Stalin USSR
jefferson did not write the bill of rights, which contains the first 10 ammendments. james madison wrote the bill of rights. so most of your argument is moot because it is completely incorrect to begin with. ugh.
@syzygy502 I am unsure if you are being funny or if you are seriously that uneducated in a subject you insist on posting about lol. Madison is known as the father of the Constitution due to 3 key concepts. John Jay co-wrote the Declaration. Madison, Jay and Hamilton wrote the Federalist Papers which is where the Bill of Rights came from, in a loose nutshell. To say Madison did nothing would be a HUGE untruth. He had everything to do with the rights you have today. (and we are loosing)
Jefferson DID NOT WRITE the Bill of Rights of the U.S, Constitution. You need to get your facts straight about Jefferson. The commentator also has to look at who OWNS the press today -- MULTI-NATIONAL CORPORATIONS that will easily KILL a story that goes against their stock holders.
For example, do you REALLY THINK NBC will EVER run a NEWS STORY that is ANTI-NUCLEAR POWER or provides a stinging analysis of how GE pays virtually NO CORPORATE TAXES to the United States?
O'Reilly just gave up all of his dirty secrets and how the media is just trying to make a profit. He is on Fox News. They are the most money grubbing channels on television.
Why doesn't anybody catch on to the fact that O'Reilly is employed by a Huge media/Press organization? Freedom of speech is essential to Liberty. Jefferson was for this but expressed his distaste with some of things the press printed.
Errors of opinion may be tolerated where reason is left free to combat it.
Thomas Jefferson
So.. Have Freedom of Religion ,Speech, Press but use your own Judgment to decide who is corrupt or not or who is telling the truth. Make sense?
James Madison wrote the Bill of Rights...Interesting too since he was a Federalist minded member of Washington's cabinet (Secretary of State) and the Bill of Rights was strongly an anti-Federalist- yes Jefferson was an anti-Federalist- measure in order to secure unanimous passage of the Constitution.
@chrisbmast Madison was NOT a member of Washingtons cabinet. Jefferson was the Secretary of State. Madison held no official position in the administration and was anti-elitist.
1. Thomas Jefferson did not write the constitution.
2. Thomas Jefferson, despite what he did or did not say, used the press freely, and anonymously, to attack John Adams. He was a first class hypocrite.
@LoriAretz Was the press back then controlled by Wallstreet like it is today? Did he have any part in the writting of the constitution? Fox News is liars for the bankers or Wallstreet.
@LoriAretz Don't forget all those speeches he gave condeming slavery (even though he owned half the black people in Virginia) & don't forget that child molestation.
@VinnyS914 that was not unusual back then, and my reference was more to the "owned half the blacks in VA" comment. He also fathered several children with her, as well as released all of his "property" upon his death. Like I said... read a little more, sweet cheeks.;) Jefferson was a widower, btw. If you have evidence to the contrary or to back up any other claims, I invite you to post the source so I can read. I am not beyond mistakes, but I will warm you that history is my forte/passion.
judging historical figures by modern standards and morality is rarely wise unless you have an understanding of the mindset/social/political climate of that era. Jefferson referred to slavery as a necessary evil, although unfortunately I am too lazy to look up the exact quote. Slavery was intended to be abolished within a time frame, but economically it would be disasterous to do so instantly, considering a huge lot of the economic responsibility relied on slave owning states and plantations.
@LoriAretz You are correct on the first one. Jefferson was not even in the country when the Constitutional Convention took place, he was in France. However, on your second point, you are sadly mistaken. Any anonimity that Jefferson used was to avoid imprisonment due to the Sedition Acts that were exacted by elitists like Adams and Hamilton to silence him and any dissention against the Federalists.
The exact people who helped bring about the Bill of Rights, including free speech, invoked a gag order on anyone that spoke against them in this countries infancy. Thomas Jefferson, on the contrary, in his Presidency, invited free speech and disagreement openly.
@LoriAretz it was a simple matter of misspeaking from cenk. jefferson was in europe when the constitution was written, BUT NOT WHEN THE BILL OF RIGHTS WAS ADOPTED. jefferson was the father of the first amendment. and what was hypocritical? he was for the freedom of the press, and by your own claim, he used it. and??? as a secular person, you falsely attacking and speaking of jefferson is about as close to blasphemy as i can imagine.
You are an idiot! Jefferson's remarks you surgically remove and repeat are about a FREE press, in a more perfect society, not the lame stream biased media we have today. Young Turks my arse! You are more like young "jerks" with your anti-American liberal mantra as you spout your socialist/ marxist/ communist talking points. Get your head out of your butt and wake up to reality.
"The man who never looks into a newspaper is better informed than he who reads them, inasmuch as he who knows nothing is nearer to truth than he whose mind is filled with falsehoods and errors. He who reads nothing will still learn the great facts, and the details are all false." --Thomas Jefferson to John Norvell, 180
@Pmartiz To cycle through the internet and find a few quotes about the press and then twist the context from which they were stated is a testament to how much of an ideological moron this guy is. Here is a book you should read before commenting on something you know nothing about, ISBN-10: 9780940450165. Its only 1500 pages written by Jefferson himself. "Advertisements contain the only truths to be relied on in a newspaper" Thomas Jefferson, letter to Nathaniel Macon.
@postalmeter LOL... finally someone thats aware Jefferson wasnt even in the country! In fact, he called them demi-gods! Most people dont realize the Constitutional Convention was a second Revolution, only peaceful. They were elitists that completely overthrew the existing government (Articles of Confederacy)
both orielly and this turks douche are both DUMBASSES... jefferson is my #1 hero ever to live.. but even i cant say he wrote any of the consitution.. cuz he DIDNT
@23mbtx23 I love him too... Jefferson is a VERY interesting character, besides being, as my history professor said, along with the other founding fathers, part of the "highest concentration of brains, talent and ability in political history."
This joker on the video is distorting thing more.I mean, what he meant (Bill O) was that freedom of speech, press, etc etc -- is what our country is all about. And Jefferson agrees with that. That does NOT mean, Jefferson and Adams cannot despise the press! WTF. Hey jack ass. Ever hear of the "Alien and Sedition acts?" You know, when someone wrote BAD stuff about Adams, he THREW EM IN JAIL! Stop googling quotes and know the facts, you jackass!
Yeah Madison wrote the constitution dumbass. Thomas Jefferson quote the declaration. Pay attention in history class and quit bitchin about fox news. Stupid liberal
@wshwizards I think anyone who watches Fox news, a network that employs Glenn beck and Sarah Palin, should stop calling others "stupid". Beck is a paranoid liar and Palin, well....
Note that he didn't even RESEARCH his response, he just jerked his knee off like most liberals, and said "DUHHHHH!!!! JEFFERSON NO HATE PWESS, JEFFERSON WITE CONSTITUTION FIRST AMENDMENT, DUHHHHHHHHH!!!!"
Holy LORD, what an IDIOT. Jefferson didn't write one word of the constitution dumbass. I want everyone to see this video and expose this fat jerk for what he is. Typical liberal clinging to his 4th grade history class level of knowledge.
@cvict6 Is that like conservatives in Texas (where most of our country's textbooks are written) eliminating Jefferson from those textbooks because his words and ideas don't jibe with their distorted veiw of our history?
First off, most of our country's history textbooks have a liberal slant. It doesn't really matter where they are written. Not every person and organization in Texas is conservative you brainless drone. Second, I don't think you can find one American history textbook in the world that "eliminates Jefferson." Where did you even come up with that? Maybe you didn't make it to 4th grade.
You mean where Jefferson wrote that "these united colonies are FREE AND INDEPENDENT STATES--" a FACT that's distorted by liberal textbooks to claim they're subordinate to a SINGLE free and independent state?
@postalmeter First, as soon as you say "liberal textbooks" you lose all credibility. Second, Jefferson wrote that in the Declaration of Independance, which was not only NOT a legally binding document, but was written BEFORE the United States Constitution was written and ratified. So don't accuse others of distortion. You are either attemting to "distort" history, or you are just "Palin stupid". Which is it? My money is on both.
"First, as soon as you say "liberal textbooks" you lose all credibility."
YOU don't make the rules, dipshit.
And the Declaration of Independence was a statement of manifested intention by states THEMSELVES; which was my point, so I observe that YOU are now twice a dipshit.
And since I'm right and you're wrong, then the answer is NEITHER-- three strikes, YER OUT, DIPSHIT!
@postalmeter In this case, the "rules" are pretty simple. There IS no "liberal press", and no "liberal" textbooks. YOU just are so far to the right everythng has a "liberal" slant TO YOU. Therefore, your bias removes your credibility. As for the DOI, there were no "states" only some English owned colonies. The DOI had no "legal" binding, but was what it was, A STATEMENT. However, That doesn't alter the FACT that TJ's words came BEFORE the constitution, which was and IS "legally binding".
Oh, you have your head up your ass and don't have a fucking CLUE waht you're talking about, and don't want to learn, but just blast your fat foghorn of ignorance despite having absolutely NO knowledge to discuss the subject with any intelligence whatsoever.
@postalmeter Nice little cliche there. Obviously you have run out of facts. Have a nice day. Oh, and read some actual history before trying to argue it. You might make less of a fool of yourself.
@postalmeter I see you have run out of facts to argue with. Why not just say that instead of the childish retort? Typical Republican. Insults instead of substance. Have a nice life.
Wow, terrible analysis. Less O'reilly than you. Jefferson didn't write the constitution, fool, as even the "godfather" of the constitution (Madison) remarked no 'single mind' deserved credit for it's articulation. Gotta love ignorant dolts criticizing others for "misinformation". Irony.
dude, what an idiot. Thomas Jefferson did hate the press. I hate O'Reilly. But I love Thomas Jefferson and actively study him and you are just straight up wrong.
Jefferson did grow to despise the press because it was just a bunch of false slandering in the early nineteenth century. (They regularly accused Washington of being a monarch after all he did!) In my opinion Fox news is as close to the inacurate cheap shot media that tainted Jeffersons era. However, Cenk is playing the same game as Fox when he ignores some of Jeffersons more-famous quotes on how he grew to hate the press. (surely tyt saw and ignored quotes not benefiting their argument)
What this commentator does not take into consideration is the ire that Jefferson felt towards the press PERSONALLY as opposed to an outlet of information for the COMMON yeoman.
Jefferson understood that the average farmer might not be able to read (much less have access to) books of higher learning (the classics etc.) so he felt that the press was a forum for political debate amongst commoners. I'm guessing this commentator pulled a bunch of Jefferson quotes off the internet
As usual, Turk only sees the world through his NPR glasses, making the lying atheist liberals masquerading as journalism professionals his gurus.
The man who reads nothing at all is better educated than the man who reads nothing but newspapers. ~ Thomas Jefferson
I always find it amusing that liberals accuse conservatives as only seeing black and white. Sorry, Turk, nothing is more stark, embarrassing, self-righteous and vacuous as the liberal mindset. Try to break free from that prison.
@Graham6762 Yea when guns were needed to protect yourselves from native american or foreign invasion something youd have to be crazy to be preparing for
The founding fathers didnt agree on much back then so in todays world they would be split on issue like we are.
@DennisfromDC The difference between the founding fathers and the idiots we have in office today is that even though the founding father's disagreed on many issues,they put aside their differences and comprimised for the good of the country. MOST of today's politicos would see the entire nation come to ruin before they will comprimise with the other side to get things done. Liberals and conservatives are both guilty of this.
@Graham6762 He was a genius on so many levels, surely you can spare him for the few that he wasnt. Hamilton was a superhuman when it came to economics but one could argue he had many more shortcomings than the other founders.
@Graham6762 Well, things were different back then. I think it's best to look at these historical figures while keeping in mind the era they lived in. For example, I fucking LOVE Theodore Roosevelt. I think he was one of the greatest presidents of all time. However, he really liked to hunt for sport, which is something I am against. But I do not like him any less for it; hunting for sport was much more popular back then and was considered a norm. I hope that was a good example.
Press has always been corrupt. From the pre-revolutionary days until now, there've always been newspapers that have "reported" from both sides of the issue.
There will NEVER be a news organization that does nothing but report facts and figures from a neutral standpoint.
Obvious reason Jefferson went to such great lengths to talk and write about a free press. He idealized a press that would not be afraid of business leaders, political leaders. Could print the facts.
He despised a press that would exist in fear of the new government, like the one that existed in Colonial Times and had to worry about the King of England and his underlings.
Young Turks are clowns, but typical libs can't see the forest...
@ricknorth77 Are you retarded? What you've just said isn't what your right-wing idol said O'Reilley said, is it? But in fact, your stance seems to be similar to TYT.
You're a lefty, but you're too stupid and brainwashed to realise.
@ricknorth77: It's a working relationship, in the USA and Canada.
The mass media provides MASSIVE political campaign contributions to polititions.... In return, the polititions deregulate and sign-off on what's called "special interest" spending bills and "targetted" tax cuts.
Cenk once again showing that he has no knowledge of history. There's a difference between FREEDOM of the press and the press itself. Jefferson was in favor of the former.
Cenk is wrong- Jefferson didn't write the Constitution or the Bill of Rights; he was serving as a Minister in France at the time. James Madison was responsible for the majority of both of them.
Small issue. It doesn't change the validity of your point against O'rielly, though I think it should be made more concisely, but it does superficially undermine credibility when you say things like 'when [Jefferson] wrote the constitution.' Jefferson did not write the constitution. He wasn't even at the constitutional convention. He was minister to France at the time. Madison, a protege (and occasional rival) of Jefferson, is most often credited as the 'Father of the Constitution.'
@dgraycroft1 Yes, I'm reading a biography on Jefferson by Alf Mapp and he mentions that a draft of the Constitution was sent to him while he was in France. He suggested that a Bill of Rights needed to be added to it.
Right-wingers love lying about the founding fathers and transforming them into holy consie figures that they never where.
They also said the founding fathers abolished slavery. (They all had slaves.)
Whats with the worship of the founding fathers anyway? Modern times will increasingly diverge from when they lived and require ways of dealing with things that no one in that age could have foreseen would be needed.
Does this guy know what he is talking about??? Yes the founding fathers liked the press but they did despise it when people were free to write lies and spread untrue rumors.... You need to do you research... So basically our founding fathers hated people like you who tell half truths..FYI Jefferson wasn't in the country during the writing of the constitution. Wow you shouldn't be allowed to talk politics
@SuperMcparker Obviously you have a lack of understanding. Hmm everyone hates people who criticize them. Jefferson was out of the country during the writing of the constitution!! But you know what?the bill of rights (freedom of press) was added at a later date! You should learn how to read a 7th grade american history book.
@SuperMcparker Well, Jefferson was never against it. The Sedition Act fell under the Presidency of John Adams, and his tendencies toward having this country resemble a monarchy were well known both inside the United States and abroad. The Federalists pushed many measures that would make us question the definition of this country as a true Republic. Jefferson (quoted here by both) was against the Sedition Act and any reduction in the freedom of the people to express their views.
Fail Cenk. Jefferson didnt write the Constitution, he wrote the Declaration. Jefferson wasnt even in the United States during the Constitutional Convention, he was in France.
Both propaganda machines working well the Turk Democrats and the O'reily Republicans and there job is not to report but to to divide and conqueror so the governmental owned war mongers can play with the audacity as if tither one of the knows what the real president Jefferson even was - The main stream media has no idea as both are traitors to America -
End the Fed and the war and propaganda B.S. will end with these war mongers
Jerfferson actually showed quite the amount of distaste in the press, and made it a habbit to not read newspapers. Obviously you didn't look hard enough through your copy of "Thomas Jefferson for Dummies" and must have browsed over all of the anit-newspaper quotes of his.
Bill O'Reilly was right, unfortu -- oh God, am I actually admitting O'Reilly was correct?
You're totally twisting what O'Reilly said. He said they were for "the Freedom Of The Press" even though they disliked them personally. This is no different today. The press is mostly distorted propaganda. But a true democratic person will fight for their freedom of speech.
Jefferson did not write the 1st amendment. He was in France during the drafting of the constitution. Madison is often credited with writing the constitution while Jefferson wrote the declaration of independence
"As history hath shewn, even under the best forms of government those entrusted with power have, and by slow operations, perverted it to tyranny"-theres a Jefferson quote for you
O'Reilly is a piece of shit, greedy, racist, pinhead and its a shame people listen to his diarrhea of the mouth daily. I pity them for there ineptitude to tell the truth will really believing there are a christian nation! Please vote Palin into the white house, so your country can have a quick death. I am truely sorry to all the Americian who are so generous,thoughtfull, decent human beings for having retards like this destroying your wonderful country!
"Advertisements... contain the only truths to be relied on in a newspaper."
I guess OReilly was right after all. Jefferson does despise the press.
Heres what I don't understand... Why does the left agree with Jefferson on Religion and Freedom of Speech, but they disagree with his small government views.
@aaasssfffdddiii because people don't just believe in things because someone said something.thats called argument from authority.
people use the founding fathers selectively.
the left supports jefferson's separation on church of state views but is for bigger government. the right likes his small government but a against jefferson views of small military.
honestly its a dumb argument.. in terms of economincs and military it was over 200 years ago. it has nothing to do with today,
ROFL. JEFFERSON DID NOT WRITE THE CONSTITUTION....HE WASN'T EVEN IN THE COUNTRY.
DrDurdenSoapCo 1 month ago
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angelbaby74965 1 month ago
O'Reilly was actually right
CambridgeHeights 2 months ago
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All people who comment a little bit to bad about Thomas Jefferson are probably a little bit to religious.
(every body knows O'Reilly is a moron.)
sonofpikaia 2 months ago
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sonofpikaia 2 months ago
"The advertisement is the most truthful part of a newspaper." Thomas Jefferson
06mitch11 2 months ago
I love the way Cenk tries to come across as an expert on Jefferson just by reading some quotes...
BJTGamer 2 months ago
TYT is smacking o'reilly lol
ElfBosque 3 months ago
Oriely is off. Period. He is a banker freind. An Elitist if you will. because I guarantee if he wasnt he would not be working and that NWO Fox News. The bankers love him because he is for the lies that is being fed into us about Al-CIA-da and Gadafi and now Iran.
Habakkuk 1:17 how long will they continue to empty their net destroying nations without mercy?
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genesistwoeighteen 3 months ago
bill oreily talks to the viewers like they are retarded
rexloc 3 months ago
there are billions of people on earth....and remeber chuck norris letss them live
rexloc 3 months ago
Wow TYT looking at these comments I do not have to post anything you've been schooled for sure . But I'm sure your liberalism will prevent you from absorbing the facts.
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Nonsensical, fruitless waste of a video on fallacious point-scoring.
Jefferson gave numerous mention to the evils of tyrannical government press and propaganda. He believed that when freed, the press would play an instrumental role in protecting the people from the creep of tyranny.
There is absolutely no distortion.
MichaelJ9999 4 months ago
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MichaelJ9999 4 months ago
Actually Bill does NAIL THAT ISSUE. He specifically stated that Jefferson recognized that the press would help monitor the politicians and if you constrict the press (See the USSR or Communist China or Cuba, etc..) then you do not have that overseeing independent body.
The press today does have at least 2 competing views on current events...especially politics and I think that's kind of the point. If you have opposing views than you can ensure freedom. One view means Nazi Germany or Stalin USSR
vinnie1369 4 months ago
Jefferson did not write the constitution, he wrote the declaration
Tcassa89 4 months ago
jefferson did not write the bill of rights, which contains the first 10 ammendments. james madison wrote the bill of rights. so most of your argument is moot because it is completely incorrect to begin with. ugh.
CAC1291 5 months ago
@CAC1291
Jefferson however was explicitly demanding the content of the first ammendment be an imperitive fixture of the constitution..
NUTCASE71733 4 months ago
I can't believe I just spent 2:40 of my short life listening to this blather.
digidanshow 6 months ago
James Madison Wrote the Constitution, Jefferson wrote the Declaration of Independence
FatTony726 7 months ago
@FatTony726 Oh please, Madison did nothing. It was Adams and Jefferson and Washington.
syzygy502 6 months ago
@syzygy502 I am unsure if you are being funny or if you are seriously that uneducated in a subject you insist on posting about lol. Madison is known as the father of the Constitution due to 3 key concepts. John Jay co-wrote the Declaration. Madison, Jay and Hamilton wrote the Federalist Papers which is where the Bill of Rights came from, in a loose nutshell. To say Madison did nothing would be a HUGE untruth. He had everything to do with the rights you have today. (and we are loosing)
angelbaby74965 1 month ago
@FatTony726 Madison did not write the Constitution, nor did the Jefferson write the Declaration, or should I say, he did not write it alone.
angelbaby74965 1 month ago
Jefferson DID NOT WRITE the Bill of Rights of the U.S, Constitution. You need to get your facts straight about Jefferson. The commentator also has to look at who OWNS the press today -- MULTI-NATIONAL CORPORATIONS that will easily KILL a story that goes against their stock holders.
For example, do you REALLY THINK NBC will EVER run a NEWS STORY that is ANTI-NUCLEAR POWER or provides a stinging analysis of how GE pays virtually NO CORPORATE TAXES to the United States?
hamilton1776 7 months ago
@hamilton1776 ...Calm your tits dude. Not a big deal. Just calm down and bite on that glazed donut. Everything's going to be alright!
fpsexcellence 7 months ago
So he made one mistake by saying the guy didn't like the press big deal
yellowchellow1 7 months ago
@yellowchellow1 that and made himself look more like an uneducated idiot.
angelbaby74965 1 month ago
O'Reilly just gave up all of his dirty secrets and how the media is just trying to make a profit. He is on Fox News. They are the most money grubbing channels on television.
Chaoitcme 7 months ago
Why doesn't anybody catch on to the fact that O'Reilly is employed by a Huge media/Press organization? Freedom of speech is essential to Liberty. Jefferson was for this but expressed his distaste with some of things the press printed.
Errors of opinion may be tolerated where reason is left free to combat it.
Thomas Jefferson
So.. Have Freedom of Religion ,Speech, Press but use your own Judgment to decide who is corrupt or not or who is telling the truth. Make sense?
macgreeny 7 months ago
Thomas Jefferson also owned hundreds of slaves.
MTL911Truth 7 months ago
@MTL911Truth "Exaggeration is a blood relation to falsehood and nearly as blamable." --
Hosea Ballou
angelbaby74965 1 month ago
We've got bigger problems than this right now
VotePaineJefferson 7 months ago 7
James Madison wrote the Bill of Rights...Interesting too since he was a Federalist minded member of Washington's cabinet (Secretary of State) and the Bill of Rights was strongly an anti-Federalist- yes Jefferson was an anti-Federalist- measure in order to secure unanimous passage of the Constitution.
chrisbmast 8 months ago
@chrisbmast Madison was NOT a member of Washingtons cabinet. Jefferson was the Secretary of State. Madison held no official position in the administration and was anti-elitist.
angelbaby74965 1 month ago
Sakat Cenk.
nonosh 8 months ago
1. Thomas Jefferson did not write the constitution.
2. Thomas Jefferson, despite what he did or did not say, used the press freely, and anonymously, to attack John Adams. He was a first class hypocrite.
LoriAretz 8 months ago 5
@LoriAretz Your forgot that he owned slaves.
Suprkit 3 months ago
@LoriAretz Was the press back then controlled by Wallstreet like it is today? Did he have any part in the writting of the constitution? Fox News is liars for the bankers or Wallstreet.
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genesistwoeighteen 3 months ago
@LoriAretz Don't forget all those speeches he gave condeming slavery (even though he owned half the black people in Virginia) & don't forget that child molestation.
VinnyS914 2 months ago
@VinnyS914 you should read a little more history.
angelbaby74965 1 month ago
@angelbaby74965 He was 44 Sally Hemmings was 14. He was a child molester.
VinnyS914 1 month ago
@VinnyS914 that was not unusual back then, and my reference was more to the "owned half the blacks in VA" comment. He also fathered several children with her, as well as released all of his "property" upon his death. Like I said... read a little more, sweet cheeks.;) Jefferson was a widower, btw. If you have evidence to the contrary or to back up any other claims, I invite you to post the source so I can read. I am not beyond mistakes, but I will warm you that history is my forte/passion.
angelbaby74965 1 month ago
judging historical figures by modern standards and morality is rarely wise unless you have an understanding of the mindset/social/political climate of that era. Jefferson referred to slavery as a necessary evil, although unfortunately I am too lazy to look up the exact quote. Slavery was intended to be abolished within a time frame, but economically it would be disasterous to do so instantly, considering a huge lot of the economic responsibility relied on slave owning states and plantations.
angelbaby74965 1 month ago
@LoriAretz who is "He" the first class hypocrite? Jefferson or Adams?
sonofpikaia 2 months ago
@LoriAretz You are correct on the first one. Jefferson was not even in the country when the Constitutional Convention took place, he was in France. However, on your second point, you are sadly mistaken. Any anonimity that Jefferson used was to avoid imprisonment due to the Sedition Acts that were exacted by elitists like Adams and Hamilton to silence him and any dissention against the Federalists.
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The exact people who helped bring about the Bill of Rights, including free speech, invoked a gag order on anyone that spoke against them in this countries infancy. Thomas Jefferson, on the contrary, in his Presidency, invited free speech and disagreement openly.
angelbaby74965 1 month ago
@LoriAretz it was a simple matter of misspeaking from cenk. jefferson was in europe when the constitution was written, BUT NOT WHEN THE BILL OF RIGHTS WAS ADOPTED. jefferson was the father of the first amendment. and what was hypocritical? he was for the freedom of the press, and by your own claim, he used it. and??? as a secular person, you falsely attacking and speaking of jefferson is about as close to blasphemy as i can imagine.
slyjokerg 1 month ago
@LoriAretz then he ran against him and repealed many laws and fired tax collectors and and many government employees
livefreeordeath 3 weeks ago
You are an idiot! Jefferson's remarks you surgically remove and repeat are about a FREE press, in a more perfect society, not the lame stream biased media we have today. Young Turks my arse! You are more like young "jerks" with your anti-American liberal mantra as you spout your socialist/ marxist/ communist talking points. Get your head out of your butt and wake up to reality.
Retsof1949 8 months ago 2
@Retsof1949 epic fail.
michaelwuzthere 4 months ago
"The man who never looks into a newspaper is better informed than he who reads them, inasmuch as he who knows nothing is nearer to truth than he whose mind is filled with falsehoods and errors. He who reads nothing will still learn the great facts, and the details are all false." --Thomas Jefferson to John Norvell, 180
mayt7 8 months ago 2
This guy is an idiot!
Pmartiz 8 months ago
@Pmartiz To cycle through the internet and find a few quotes about the press and then twist the context from which they were stated is a testament to how much of an ideological moron this guy is. Here is a book you should read before commenting on something you know nothing about, ISBN-10: 9780940450165. Its only 1500 pages written by Jefferson himself. "Advertisements contain the only truths to be relied on in a newspaper" Thomas Jefferson, letter to Nathaniel Macon.
mwaldo17 8 months ago
cenk fail
mcbain434444 8 months ago
Leadership in Jefferson's time: "....Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness".
Leadership today: "....Lies, Salvery, and the Pursuit of Corporate Wealth".
GARYHYPERAMPED 8 months ago
o'reilly was describing fox news
nsdtr01 8 months ago
Did this guy say that Thomas Jefferson WROTE the First Amendment AND the Constitution???? Wow, he needs a history lesson.
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MommyAuble 8 months ago
The man who reads nothing at all is better educated than the man who reads nothing but newspapers.
-Thomas Jefferson
IamtheBurceDickenson 8 months ago
"Advertisements contain the only truths to be relied on in a newspaper."
-Thomas Jefferson
IamtheBurceDickenson 8 months ago
Shocking that this dude really missed what O'Reilley was saying, and quoted the founders backing up O'Reilley's point. Fail
tyrfryrta88 8 months ago
Everyone is endowed, by their Creator, with certain unailiable rights: Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness.
The Pursuit of Happiness!! Quit going on what other people make and what they do. Go Pursuit your OWN Happiness.
missles518 8 months ago
You proved it above:
"The DOI had no "legal" binding, but was what it was, A STATEMENT."
This proves that you're ignorant of the 1783 Treaty of Paris, and I don't feel like educating you.
postalmeter 8 months ago
Whoa, whoa, WHOAH there Bullwinkle!
JEFFERSON wrote the Constitution?
JEFFERSON wrote the First Amendment?
Wow-- all the way from FRANCE!
Bullwinkle confuses DESPISING the press as it existed, with protecting FREEDOM of the press!
He is incapable of reconciling these two completely DIFFERENT concepts....or a "lesser of two evils."
Cenk can't open his ass without sticking his head up it.
"AND NOW-- MR. KNOW-IT-ALL!"
postalmeter 8 months ago
@postalmeter LOL... finally someone thats aware Jefferson wasnt even in the country! In fact, he called them demi-gods! Most people dont realize the Constitutional Convention was a second Revolution, only peaceful. They were elitists that completely overthrew the existing government (Articles of Confederacy)
angelbaby74965 1 month ago
both orielly and this turks douche are both DUMBASSES... jefferson is my #1 hero ever to live.. but even i cant say he wrote any of the consitution.. cuz he DIDNT
23mbtx23 9 months ago
@23mbtx23
To be fair, he DID recommend the original Bill of Rights in the Constitution-- but that was after the original English Bill of Rights from 1689.
postalmeter 8 months ago
@23mbtx23 I love him too... Jefferson is a VERY interesting character, besides being, as my history professor said, along with the other founding fathers, part of the "highest concentration of brains, talent and ability in political history."
angelbaby74965 1 month ago
This joker on the video is distorting thing more.I mean, what he meant (Bill O) was that freedom of speech, press, etc etc -- is what our country is all about. And Jefferson agrees with that. That does NOT mean, Jefferson and Adams cannot despise the press! WTF. Hey jack ass. Ever hear of the "Alien and Sedition acts?" You know, when someone wrote BAD stuff about Adams, he THREW EM IN JAIL! Stop googling quotes and know the facts, you jackass!
AmerkFlack 9 months ago
@AmerkFlack
Cenk "Bullwinkle" Uygur is the ultimate dumbass-- he's what you get when you mix a Turkish Muslim with a New Jersey education.
postalmeter 8 months ago 2
*wrote
wshwizards 9 months ago
Yeah Madison wrote the constitution dumbass. Thomas Jefferson quote the declaration. Pay attention in history class and quit bitchin about fox news. Stupid liberal
wshwizards 9 months ago 2
@wshwizards I think anyone who watches Fox news, a network that employs Glenn beck and Sarah Palin, should stop calling others "stupid". Beck is a paranoid liar and Palin, well....
Mozart1220 9 months ago
@wshwizards
I'm sure he paid attention in his New Jersey public school, that's what they teach there.
postalmeter 8 months ago
"The man who reads nothing at all is better educated than the man who reads nothing but newspapers."
-Thomas jefferson.
samm1809 9 months ago
what a blathering idiot. cenk, that is.
tamilmannan 9 months ago
@tamilmannan
Note that he didn't even RESEARCH his response, he just jerked his knee off like most liberals, and said "DUHHHHH!!!! JEFFERSON NO HATE PWESS, JEFFERSON WITE CONSTITUTION FIRST AMENDMENT, DUHHHHHHHHH!!!!"
postalmeter 8 months ago
@postalmeter Nothing like an intelligent, adult respose from the right.
Mozart1220 8 months ago
Thomas Jefferson didn't write the constitution nor did he write the bill of rights. Madison did.
ashikaga85 9 months ago
@ashikaga85
I agree. Typical liberal who "googles" quotes. John Adams thew people in Jail for writing things about him in the press. (Sedition Act)
AmerkFlack 9 months ago
@AmerkFlack
But Madison and Jefferson protested the Alien and Sedition Acts in the Virginia and Kentucky Resolutions.
postalmeter 8 months ago
1:30
Holy LORD, what an IDIOT. Jefferson didn't write one word of the constitution dumbass. I want everyone to see this video and expose this fat jerk for what he is. Typical liberal clinging to his 4th grade history class level of knowledge.
cvict6 9 months ago
@cvict6 Is that like conservatives in Texas (where most of our country's textbooks are written) eliminating Jefferson from those textbooks because his words and ideas don't jibe with their distorted veiw of our history?
Mozart1220 9 months ago
@Mozart1220
First off, most of our country's history textbooks have a liberal slant. It doesn't really matter where they are written. Not every person and organization in Texas is conservative you brainless drone. Second, I don't think you can find one American history textbook in the world that "eliminates Jefferson." Where did you even come up with that? Maybe you didn't make it to 4th grade.
cvict6 9 months ago
@cvict6
Is it "liberal" to say that the USA is "one nation, indivisible?"
Because that's just as "slanted" as anything else they're taught.
postalmeter 8 months ago
@Mozart1220
You mean where Jefferson wrote that "these united colonies are FREE AND INDEPENDENT STATES--" a FACT that's distorted by liberal textbooks to claim they're subordinate to a SINGLE free and independent state?
postalmeter 8 months ago
@postalmeter First, as soon as you say "liberal textbooks" you lose all credibility. Second, Jefferson wrote that in the Declaration of Independance, which was not only NOT a legally binding document, but was written BEFORE the United States Constitution was written and ratified. So don't accuse others of distortion. You are either attemting to "distort" history, or you are just "Palin stupid". Which is it? My money is on both.
Mozart1220 8 months ago
@Mozart1220
"First, as soon as you say "liberal textbooks" you lose all credibility."
YOU don't make the rules, dipshit.
And the Declaration of Independence was a statement of manifested intention by states THEMSELVES; which was my point, so I observe that YOU are now twice a dipshit.
And since I'm right and you're wrong, then the answer is NEITHER-- three strikes, YER OUT, DIPSHIT!
postalmeter 8 months ago
@postalmeter In this case, the "rules" are pretty simple. There IS no "liberal press", and no "liberal" textbooks. YOU just are so far to the right everythng has a "liberal" slant TO YOU. Therefore, your bias removes your credibility. As for the DOI, there were no "states" only some English owned colonies. The DOI had no "legal" binding, but was what it was, A STATEMENT. However, That doesn't alter the FACT that TJ's words came BEFORE the constitution, which was and IS "legally binding".
Mozart1220 8 months ago
@Mozart1220
Oh, you have your head up your ass and don't have a fucking CLUE waht you're talking about, and don't want to learn, but just blast your fat foghorn of ignorance despite having absolutely NO knowledge to discuss the subject with any intelligence whatsoever.
Why didn't you just SAY so?
postalmeter 8 months ago
" There IS no "liberal press", and no "liberal" textbooks."
And there is no denial, and no river in Egypt ROTFLMAO.
postalmeter 8 months ago
@postalmeter Nice little cliche there. Obviously you have run out of facts. Have a nice day. Oh, and read some actual history before trying to argue it. You might make less of a fool of yourself.
Mozart1220 8 months ago
@Mozart1220
ROTFLMAO this shit thinks he knows facts AND history!
BWAHHAHAHAAHAHAHAHA
postalmeter 8 months ago
@postalmeter I see you have run out of facts to argue with. Why not just say that instead of the childish retort? Typical Republican. Insults instead of substance. Have a nice life.
Mozart1220 8 months ago
@Mozart1220
Confucious say, "teach the ignorant, shun the fool." You're #2 on that list... and mine. :D
postalmeter 8 months ago
@postalmeter Postalmeter say: "if you have no facts, resort to insults." You are a good Republican.
Mozart1220 8 months ago
Wow, terrible analysis. Less O'reilly than you. Jefferson didn't write the constitution, fool, as even the "godfather" of the constitution (Madison) remarked no 'single mind' deserved credit for it's articulation. Gotta love ignorant dolts criticizing others for "misinformation". Irony.
ragnadude 9 months ago
i dont read newspapers, rarely watch news, would never own a gun and i have no bank account. i am a happy humanoid
BeingNobody1956 10 months ago
OPERATION MOCKINGBIRD.....look it up!!
DOCSAFETUBE 10 months ago
dude, what an idiot. Thomas Jefferson did hate the press. I hate O'Reilly. But I love Thomas Jefferson and actively study him and you are just straight up wrong.
SJSharkey2011 10 months ago
in fairness... Thomas Jefferson was in Paris, France during the signing and drafting of the Constitution. He wrote the Declaration
spencerlee23 10 months ago
Jefferson did grow to despise the press because it was just a bunch of false slandering in the early nineteenth century. (They regularly accused Washington of being a monarch after all he did!) In my opinion Fox news is as close to the inacurate cheap shot media that tainted Jeffersons era. However, Cenk is playing the same game as Fox when he ignores some of Jeffersons more-famous quotes on how he grew to hate the press. (surely tyt saw and ignored quotes not benefiting their argument)
hoagiesupreme 10 months ago
What this commentator does not take into consideration is the ire that Jefferson felt towards the press PERSONALLY as opposed to an outlet of information for the COMMON yeoman.
Jefferson understood that the average farmer might not be able to read (much less have access to) books of higher learning (the classics etc.) so he felt that the press was a forum for political debate amongst commoners. I'm guessing this commentator pulled a bunch of Jefferson quotes off the internet
tachikoma747 10 months ago
0:52, YA THINK O'REILLY WILL TELL YA?
8TheManWithNoName8 10 months ago
Thumbs up if you think this guy is as dumb as I think he is FOR THINKING THAT THOMAS JEFFERSON WROTE THE CONSTITUTION OR THE BILL OF RIGHTS :)~
cjbatesii 10 months ago
James Madison Wrote the Bill of Rights You fucking idiot. Jefferson wrote the Declaration. So anything you say from now on is irrelevant....
RYANFSAMUELS 11 months ago 6
@RYANFSAMUELS yes :)
Madison wrote and proposed the Constitution and wrote most of the Bill of Rights.
I am glad that there are still people that know the difference between the constitution and the declaration :)
rcastillo196 10 months ago
James Madison Wrote the Bill of Rights You fucking idiot. Jefferson wrote the Declaration. So anything you say from now on is irrelevant....
RYANFSAMUELS 11 months ago
What can you expect from a Pinheads. If I want the truth, I'll watch the Daily Show.
If the press is corrupt then so are you Mr O
TheDano1947 11 months ago
As usual, Turk only sees the world through his NPR glasses, making the lying atheist liberals masquerading as journalism professionals his gurus.
The man who reads nothing at all is better educated than the man who reads nothing but newspapers. ~ Thomas Jefferson
I always find it amusing that liberals accuse conservatives as only seeing black and white. Sorry, Turk, nothing is more stark, embarrassing, self-righteous and vacuous as the liberal mindset. Try to break free from that prison.
randalusa 11 months ago
i hate oreilley, i hate TYT. both clueless. both useless. why did i even post??
tmac9938 11 months ago
@tmac9938 Do you wander around the house talking to yourself? It did make me laugh a little though.
Verto9999 11 months ago
@Verto9999 yes i do
tmac9938 11 months ago
Thomas Jefferson also hated central banks and wanted everyone to own guns.
Graham6762 11 months ago 27
@Graham6762 Yea when guns were needed to protect yourselves from native american or foreign invasion something youd have to be crazy to be preparing for
The founding fathers didnt agree on much back then so in todays world they would be split on issue like we are.
DennisfromDC 11 months ago
@DennisfromDC The difference between the founding fathers and the idiots we have in office today is that even though the founding father's disagreed on many issues,they put aside their differences and comprimised for the good of the country. MOST of today's politicos would see the entire nation come to ruin before they will comprimise with the other side to get things done. Liberals and conservatives are both guilty of this.
13fanboi 11 months ago
@Graham6762 and the idea of a National Bank by Hamilton was unconstitutional because the Constitution made no provision for a national bank :)
rcastillo196 10 months ago
@rcastillo196 I agree
Graham6762 10 months ago
@Graham6762 He was a genius on so many levels, surely you can spare him for the few that he wasnt. Hamilton was a superhuman when it came to economics but one could argue he had many more shortcomings than the other founders.
hoagiesupreme 10 months ago
@Graham6762 Totally agree. I am a Thomas Jefferson follower and his Policy's are now known as Common Sense Politics.
missles518 8 months ago
@Graham6762 what's your point?
DystopianUtopia 8 months ago
@Graham6762 Well, things were different back then. I think it's best to look at these historical figures while keeping in mind the era they lived in. For example, I fucking LOVE Theodore Roosevelt. I think he was one of the greatest presidents of all time. However, he really liked to hunt for sport, which is something I am against. But I do not like him any less for it; hunting for sport was much more popular back then and was considered a norm. I hope that was a good example.
TheAxehandler 6 months ago
why anybody even look at what's his name
JermimaSweet 11 months ago
Press has always been corrupt. From the pre-revolutionary days until now, there've always been newspapers that have "reported" from both sides of the issue.
There will NEVER be a news organization that does nothing but report facts and figures from a neutral standpoint.
antipryzm 1 year ago
Obvious reason Jefferson went to such great lengths to talk and write about a free press. He idealized a press that would not be afraid of business leaders, political leaders. Could print the facts.
He despised a press that would exist in fear of the new government, like the one that existed in Colonial Times and had to worry about the King of England and his underlings.
Young Turks are clowns, but typical libs can't see the forest...
ricknorth77 1 year ago
@ricknorth77 Are you retarded? What you've just said isn't what your right-wing idol said O'Reilley said, is it? But in fact, your stance seems to be similar to TYT.
You're a lefty, but you're too stupid and brainwashed to realise.
TheAqui1a 1 year ago
@ricknorth77: It's a working relationship, in the USA and Canada.
The mass media provides MASSIVE political campaign contributions to polititions.... In return, the polititions deregulate and sign-off on what's called "special interest" spending bills and "targetted" tax cuts.
michealPW 11 months ago
Both of these mother fuckers are idiots.
ceoaalp 1 year ago
Cenk once again showing that he has no knowledge of history. There's a difference between FREEDOM of the press and the press itself. Jefferson was in favor of the former.
greene825 1 year ago
LOL! Bill thinks that HE is part of the press! LOL!
RCK502 1 year ago
"I do not take a single newspaper, nor read one a month, and I feel myself infinitely the happier for it."
-Thomas Jefferson
FatTony726 1 year ago 28
@FatTony726 LOL, shut this shitty video down with one quote. Nice.
wulfmanUNCP 7 months ago
@FatTony726
Thats not a statement against the press but a statement of despair on the state of affairs in the world
omegavalerius 5 months ago
Hither too is how you pronounce hitherto, Cenk. Also, TheYoungTurks is awesome.
amarr1 1 year ago
Cenk is wrong- Jefferson didn't write the Constitution or the Bill of Rights; he was serving as a Minister in France at the time. James Madison was responsible for the majority of both of them.
Goodatconnect4 1 year ago
Small issue. It doesn't change the validity of your point against O'rielly, though I think it should be made more concisely, but it does superficially undermine credibility when you say things like 'when [Jefferson] wrote the constitution.' Jefferson did not write the constitution. He wasn't even at the constitutional convention. He was minister to France at the time. Madison, a protege (and occasional rival) of Jefferson, is most often credited as the 'Father of the Constitution.'
dgraycroft1 1 year ago
@dgraycroft1 Yes, I'm reading a biography on Jefferson by Alf Mapp and he mentions that a draft of the Constitution was sent to him while he was in France. He suggested that a Bill of Rights needed to be added to it.
Angel3243 1 year ago
Right-wingers love lying about the founding fathers and transforming them into holy consie figures that they never where.
They also said the founding fathers abolished slavery. (They all had slaves.)
Whats with the worship of the founding fathers anyway? Modern times will increasingly diverge from when they lived and require ways of dealing with things that no one in that age could have foreseen would be needed.
Shavarnarak 1 year ago
@Shavarnarak when did we ever say the founders abolished slavey?
fdny9682 1 year ago
Does this guy know what he is talking about??? Yes the founding fathers liked the press but they did despise it when people were free to write lies and spread untrue rumors.... You need to do you research... So basically our founding fathers hated people like you who tell half truths..FYI Jefferson wasn't in the country during the writing of the constitution. Wow you shouldn't be allowed to talk politics
SuperMcparker 1 year ago 2
@SuperMcparker Obviously you have a lack of understanding. Hmm everyone hates people who criticize them. Jefferson was out of the country during the writing of the constitution!! But you know what?the bill of rights (freedom of press) was added at a later date! You should learn how to read a 7th grade american history book.
y2zgt 1 year ago
@SuperMcparker Well, Jefferson was never against it. The Sedition Act fell under the Presidency of John Adams, and his tendencies toward having this country resemble a monarchy were well known both inside the United States and abroad. The Federalists pushed many measures that would make us question the definition of this country as a true Republic. Jefferson (quoted here by both) was against the Sedition Act and any reduction in the freedom of the people to express their views.
lastminuteregret 1 year ago
jefferson didn't write the constitution
chufuss 1 year ago
Fail Cenk. Jefferson didnt write the Constitution, he wrote the Declaration. Jefferson wasnt even in the United States during the Constitutional Convention, he was in France.
Willredd94 1 year ago
we distort....you comply
huskerdewd 1 year ago
Both propaganda machines working well the Turk Democrats and the O'reily Republicans and there job is not to report but to to divide and conqueror so the governmental owned war mongers can play with the audacity as if tither one of the knows what the real president Jefferson even was - The main stream media has no idea as both are traitors to America -
End the Fed and the war and propaganda B.S. will end with these war mongers
Allamericom 1 year ago
@Allamericom politics is divisive by design, if there nothing to fight over there would be no politics.
Moh5Itachi1 1 year ago
Jerfferson actually showed quite the amount of distaste in the press, and made it a habbit to not read newspapers. Obviously you didn't look hard enough through your copy of "Thomas Jefferson for Dummies" and must have browsed over all of the anit-newspaper quotes of his.
Bill O'Reilly was right, unfortu -- oh God, am I actually admitting O'Reilly was correct?
Look what you dickheads have made me sink to!
Shaman145 1 year ago
You're totally twisting what O'Reilly said. He said they were for "the Freedom Of The Press" even though they disliked them personally. This is no different today. The press is mostly distorted propaganda. But a true democratic person will fight for their freedom of speech.
Jemoh66 1 year ago
Jefferson did actually despise the press. I doubt he'd be fond of O'reilly though.
japedol 1 year ago
I dont get it, is he pretending to be a news reporter?
joearoyan1 1 year ago
Jefferson did not write the 1st amendment. He was in France during the drafting of the constitution. Madison is often credited with writing the constitution while Jefferson wrote the declaration of independence
dragon5slugger 1 year ago
Bill angers me beyond comprehension.
matttylove 1 year ago
"As history hath shewn, even under the best forms of government those entrusted with power have, and by slow operations, perverted it to tyranny"-theres a Jefferson quote for you
CitizenJohnSmith 1 year ago
This guy is way to sarcastic for me.
Ryan1316 1 year ago
jefferson didn't write the bill of rights, or the constitution...he was in france at the time...
Putaspellonyou 1 year ago
LOL thats a big one. i like therefore it is true. or i dont like this therefore it must not be true
dcderek24 1 year ago
@dcderek24 Lol, definetley
aaasssfffdddiii 1 year ago
@aaasssfffdddiii there are better arguments for god. argument from ignorance is pointless.
dcderek24 1 year ago
O'Reilly is a piece of shit, greedy, racist, pinhead and its a shame people listen to his diarrhea of the mouth daily. I pity them for there ineptitude to tell the truth will really believing there are a christian nation! Please vote Palin into the white house, so your country can have a quick death. I am truely sorry to all the Americian who are so generous,thoughtfull, decent human beings for having retards like this destroying your wonderful country!
thepoundsmoker 1 year ago
didn't Adams pass the alien and sedition act (which violated the first amendment)
Jefferson being a democratic-republican supported the press
LogicalThinker667 1 year ago
@brodsmb33 agreed, jefferson supported the idea of free press but also despised to press as well.
jefferson "the man who reads nothing knows more than the man who only reads newspapers"
dcderek24 1 year ago
Both of these guys are idiots
reiksmarshal 1 year ago
nice job youngturks you can read wikipedia
falloutfanify 1 year ago
The founding fathers are screaming in their graves.
RainbowManification 1 year ago
"Advertisements... contain the only truths to be relied on in a newspaper."
I guess OReilly was right after all. Jefferson does despise the press.
Heres what I don't understand... Why does the left agree with Jefferson on Religion and Freedom of Speech, but they disagree with his small government views.
aaasssfffdddiii 1 year ago
@aaasssfffdddiii because people don't just believe in things because someone said something.thats called argument from authority.
people use the founding fathers selectively.
the left supports jefferson's separation on church of state views but is for bigger government. the right likes his small government but a against jefferson views of small military.
honestly its a dumb argument.. in terms of economincs and military it was over 200 years ago. it has nothing to do with today,
dcderek24 1 year ago