@HoudiniTheKing No, you're thinking about the short scene at the Gooseberry bush. In the scene shown in this video, Vera was angry because she thought Grace seduced her husband (I forget his name). Obviously he was raping her, but of course Dogville is the pinnacle of denial and cover-ups.
lars von trier is an artist at his best able to depict america's soul full of its pom-pom moms-soccer moms plaguing this sordid nation of witches and warlocks. This masterpiece of a movie ends like a long awaited prayer avenging the blood of all martyrs shed from the wicked hands of the dick chenney-pat robertson-billy graham-wasps-boers-ku klux klan-john wayne american demonic imbeciles. Way to go lars, Peace & Shalom while patiently awaiting your prophecy to come to pass.
Grace's vengeance on Vera was so poetic and PERFECT. I cannot remember the last time I felt such utter joy in a movie as in that scene. I love how everyone in the town was ruthlessly killed but the dog was spared. My only complaint was the ending could have been more prolonged and gruesome.
if you take satisfaction in the final scene, then you might make a fine denizen of dogville. the human condition is not static, not isolated. makind's history is steeped in inhumanity.
given the right situation, even grace turns toward evil.
@KEvronista Grace turned toward justice. That mankind's history is steeped in inhumanity is not an excuse for that inhumanity. Many people throughout that same history pursued moral justice, which is the only reason civilization has improved. Grace became one of them. Or do you sympathize with Tom more?
@lauramitrea I did finally watch it all the way through and it looked like something out of a nightmare to me. They treat her nice in the begining, then they betray her, raped over and over again until she has them all killed in the end. How can Von Trier say this about America when he's never been to America. I don't wear my citizenship on my sleeve but still. I watched his movie, surely he can come to America. It's not that bad a place, really.
@incrediblehulkmovies just try to see it as "he's saying this about mankind" not as "he's saying this about america". You can lose a lot out of the experience of watching something great just by judging it - try to look at it as a story, a bleak terrible story about the deeply flawed humanity that we're so proud to be a part of. I'm sure that america isn't really worse that, well, any other place. No one would think worse of america after this film. People suck in general, not just in one place.
This Scene was played by a classmate of me as Vera and she was brilliant in another way than the original but i loved it and that interpretation was maybe better than the Original :P
@bluegrasslass It is chilling. I admit I felt no sadness when the oldest boy was shot, he was so creepy, but I did feel horrified when the gunman put the gun right up to the little baby and then pulled the trigger.
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I saw this and then the new Transformers movie, clearly the better of the two is Optimus Primed.
The cheapskate who made this film couldnt even get a loan for the props because the script was so shitty, and thats why the bitch cries at the end when they break some props, she knows the movie will not gross enough to pay off the cost of those unique little bawlbawls.
dogville was an excellent movie, although killing kids and destroying toys are incomparable, the story behind what grace did at the end was favorable. as the lady broke her toys for sleeping with her husband, grace revenge back because she was tortured, raped and scold by everyone in the town. this is my opinion, please feel free to agree and disagree.
Somehow I don't quite understand...I mean I got the idea of how hurt Grace was to watch her toys being destroyed...but why she didn't punish the men in the ville who raped her or sexual abused her in particularly? I am doing gender study here. I have heard that women tortured each other more seriously then men do in some degree, especially women who are older and more internalized then the younger ones. But I think if I were Grace, I would torture the men before killing them!
@lalaland18ify grace's revenge is only a way for lars von trier to say to the audience: see? you would've done the same thing. he doesn't forgive anyone in this movie, not even grace. that's how i see it.
I guess this movie is not about revenge, but rather about remotion of violence, and its extreme consequence- the retourn of violence in an exagerated way (cruelty).
The point is not how to remove violence, but how to transform it in a contructive way before condamning-and then punishing....
I was fortunate enough to meet Patricia Clarkson earlier last week and we had a rather fascinating discussion about Dogville and working with Lars von Trier.
Me encanta esta película, la admira tanto, porque con tan pocos elementos pueden captar tu atención durante toda la película y es fácil sentirse identificado con los comportamientos humanos de los personajes. Así somos los seres humanos Nos dan la mano y nos agarramos el pie, y nos aprovechamos de la gente buena y aguas con hacer favores porque con el tiempo la gente las convierte en tus obligaciones. Me encanta el final, y mas lo de Vera Para que aprendan!
This movie is brilliant because of the fact that the actors have to carry it all the way through, relying only on their own talent. There are no distractions..that's the beauty of this movie. It's so naked and honest. You can _feel_ everything. Marvelous acting! Nicole was fantastic in it. A masterpiece.
@misswings83 Filming Stop Or My Mom Will Shoot in a warehouse doesn't make it A Man for All Seasons. A petulant, callow diatribe is not improved by being stripped down, but merely adds another layer of pretension and pretentiousness. This is a movie for those who thought Andy Warhol was a great artist or a great thinker, rather than a self-made myth.
@edwdixon5 The question, being, however, if the pretension lies in the format rather than the medium. I'd argue that the staging is pretentious--albeit somewhat interesting nonetheless--but does that contaminate the subject matter? For all of the overwrought cruelty present in Von Trier's work, I'd say that the nuanced ways in which it is expressed represent the petty, vain, resentful contemptuousness underlying American society more accurately than any other filmmaker, even Cassavetes.
@Theomite Funny, like many reflexive and glib critics of America, I'd say "petty, vain, resentful, and contemptuous" sums them up quite neatly. They respond to their caricature of America with another poorly drawn caricature, and the bashers clap like seals for a dangling fish. America trashing at this level is as convincing and interesting as a bratty teenager calling his parents idiots.
@edwdixon5 Those are accurate descriptions, but hardly final. But US cinema only shows our glamorous side, so guys like Von Trier have to show the other. Other cultures are vain about themselves, but America tends to be idealistic about itself, so films like Dogville emphasize the oblivious cruelty masquerading as enlightened righteousness. As for caricature, I'd argue that its a conclusion drawn from a crunched 3 hours instead of 22 episodes. It's agitprop, but America isn't beyond reproach.
Dogville is an amazingly genius representation of the USA, its culture, its politics, its hypocrisy, its demonic bullying arrogance and its inevitable (thank God) end. Awesome movie!
Dogville is no doubt one of the best films ever made.
I thought the scene with the figurines was far more emotive than when Vera's kids are killed before here eyes - the latter just occurred rapidly. Did anyone else think this too? It must be deliverate on the producer's part?
Yes, you are right. And it is probably one of the biggest problems for all of those who cheer when the tormentors are shot (I was one of them). How bad is smashing some porcelain compared to killing kids?
It's a very disturbing movie. I can't say, that I really know what the artist's point of view is, perhaps he just wants to leave it to us to find the right answers for oneself.
From an acting students point of view the film is artistic.. the whole chalk set, etc is very brechtian because it steers you away from distractions.. It makes you ask yourself why the characters are doing what they are doing.. as well as it also makes you think more about the political issues conveyed as opposed to the acting or the decoration of the set. Not everyone's going to find it entertaining as it requires thinking
I do not mean to be rude.... This movie is a master piece from any person able to feel and understanding the entire context of human-existence... Regardless what degree of acting or absence of education this person has. This is a A-to-Z and that is not even all!
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This film was one of the worst films i have ever seen. im not sure if it had a good storyline because i was that bored. The cinematography isnt that great, the amount of silly continuity errors looked awful (especially when they were obviously done on purpose....why?). The voice-over made me feel like i was watching something for little kids and what was going on with the set? which is annoying, especially when it comes to someone using a door. Poorly made, not entertaining.
and this is the worst motivated opinion I've ever read...Dogville is great, it's innovative, well acted and mooving...you do not understand anything about moovies, and if you get bored, that's why you are a boring person...bye
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Ok i know nothing about movies, wrong. Everyone knows things about films you know why? The auidence of a film get what they want from it. With Dogville i see a crappy thing that looks like it should be kept to a stage performance not film. You see...actually i don't know what you see in it. Thats where we differ. My previous comment was to spark a civilized debate, not for a slanging match. Oh and btw what about disliking this film makes me a boring person. give me some reasons. Not crappy ones
Ok, I must recognize: the person who replied you could have used better argumentation.
But Christoph, I don't see how this film could be one of the WORST you have seen. I found it marvelous for several reasons, but EVEN IF I HAD GOT BORED with it like you did I wouldn't refuse to admit that it has VERY GOOD character study, very complex and beautiful dramatic archs, and though it may not be so VISUALLY DYNAMIC, below the surface there's always a whirlwind of changing feelings to thrill us.
This is the saddest scene of the film :( but then it served her right, to have her kids killer before her eyes if she shed a tear. Karma's a bitch, isn't it?
I was so overwhelmed when the dolls were broken - they represent the symbolic ties she had with Dogville. And Vera shattered it all.
its the scareyest thing! she seemed like the best off all of the women. but her and her family just had this really DARK side of them. it was so upsetting that scene.
The ending really pulled together! just the way they turned it around.
This is one of my favorite movies. Although I really don't go for what seems to me an annoying attempt at pseudo-intellectual originality with the chalk drawings on the stage instead of real scenery, the story is nevertheless so poignant and the twist is so good and unexpected that I really was taken aback. I recommend this movie to everyone.
weve been studying this film in our ARt and design Course at University. it wasnt trying to be intellectual with the idea of things being made from chalk, it was trying to be artistic. Tom was the one, who could see "Through the town" that was a big factor of it, and it really just enhanced certain rape scenes. AND it was GREAT for artistic composition.
One of my all time favourite movies. Unlike the director's other movies, which I love, I particularly felt satisfied with this one because of the ending! J U S T I C E! (or revenge?..well)
Oh, how I hated that little pussy kid and his cunt mom! I watched this and wanted them machine-gunned before I even knew what the ending would be! Glad it ended happily!
put her in a cage, feed then scraps and treat them like shit then you can say "see i told you she was an animal" I thought the "stop if she stops crying bit" was too uncharicteristic even considering the past and took away from the truth of the film, i bit tricksy or maybe not, who am i though Von Tier is a fucking genius PASS THE FUCKING TOMMY GUN :0
Agreed. If anything, revenge is ultimately condemned in this film. One of my favorite moments teaching film came when I showed this movie in a class and the students cheered at Grace's command to kill the family, only to gasp in disbelief when the gangsters hold up the infant and blow it away with their guns. It is Von Trier questioning the ethics of revenge, not glorifying it. To understand this film as a glorification of revenge is to miss the point in a major way.
I couldn't agree more. "Revenge" is as natural as eating or defacting. It isn't good, it isn't bad, it just is. The provacatuer is the guilty, unnatural one. I don't believe the infant was guilty though. I would have rather seen her turn it into a gangster.
Dogville says almost everything that "commom" people don´t likt to see or analise regarding themselves. It´s not about American society, it´s about the human weakness.
If you don't think this film is about America then you're ignoring von Trier's entire political allegory. Why else would the film be set in the USA? It could have been set in another country, or a completely fictitious world. It's not. Grace IS "grace", she needs aid from America (the town of Dogville) and is consequently taken advantage of, much like Iraq.
Iraq/America and Old Testament/New Testament are undeniably manifested in this film's politicization.
Even the credits indicate this is a critique of America. Why else would seemingly unrelated images of poverty be shown with David Bowie's "Young AMERICANS" playing overtop of it? Honestly, if you sincerely believe this film doesn't criticize America in any way, then you don't understand its allegorical purpose to begin with.
I totally agree with that. Well said. I like that about this movie. Even though I normally don't agree with what happened at the end, I can't help but feel justice. Now, that's a part of you that you keep to yourself, right? It's not something you DO, but it is something you THINK. What Grace does, is def. what I would have thougt about is what I'm saying.
yeah.. me.. Im not retarded either, but I just didnt like your ending. I dont understand why my comment came out twice though. Life is full of surprises.
@mostlyBS I don't like the at text either but it has nothing about being retarded. It's a great clip and it's about revenge but also the end text implies @EvaneSam has Passive–aggressive behavior pattern who can not directly show his reaction and collecting those revenge feelings which might explode dangerously one day so learn how to show your reaction at that moment Evane and thank you for the clip keep it up
@newestech Well I'm working on my passive aggressive behavior, it's just hard when I'm the only one who does. Others still keep pissing me off doing the same things that drive me nuts over and over again. And they know it.There's just so much a person can take.
Yep.. for me it was perfect.. seeing the two pivotal scenes of the movie together.. there is nothing to be added.. and then that laugh and caption wreck it.
i literally almost shit myself at the laugh at the end
snapplerow 3 weeks ago
Words could not describe how much I wanted to strangle Vera after seeing this scene.
SamHeald 1 month ago
@SamHeald It's been a long time---wasn't this all because she spanked one of the kids?
HoudiniTheKing 1 month ago
@HoudiniTheKing No, you're thinking about the short scene at the Gooseberry bush. In the scene shown in this video, Vera was angry because she thought Grace seduced her husband (I forget his name). Obviously he was raping her, but of course Dogville is the pinnacle of denial and cover-ups.
SamHeald 1 month ago
@SamHeald ha ha Wow--it HAS been a long time since I saw this--totally forgot about that part.
HoudiniTheKing 1 month ago
thank you for your uploads , i like this channel, that's one great filme :D
0d0i0a0n0e0L0a0 1 month ago
seacoast multimedia LOL
0d0i0a0n0e0L0a0 1 month ago
that was the sadest scene :(
0501kaddy 2 months ago
lars von trier is an artist at his best able to depict america's soul full of its pom-pom moms-soccer moms plaguing this sordid nation of witches and warlocks. This masterpiece of a movie ends like a long awaited prayer avenging the blood of all martyrs shed from the wicked hands of the dick chenney-pat robertson-billy graham-wasps-boers-ku klux klan-john wayne american demonic imbeciles. Way to go lars, Peace & Shalom while patiently awaiting your prophecy to come to pass.
ednoisin 4 months ago
My favourite scene too
21h040349160 4 months ago
HEr revenge is insanely awesome
ntherewas1 6 months ago 4
Grace's vengeance on Vera was so poetic and PERFECT. I cannot remember the last time I felt such utter joy in a movie as in that scene. I love how everyone in the town was ruthlessly killed but the dog was spared. My only complaint was the ending could have been more prolonged and gruesome.
FvneralMist 7 months ago
muahahaha!
JoHeartsArt 8 months ago
if you take satisfaction in the final scene, then you might make a fine denizen of dogville. the human condition is not static, not isolated. makind's history is steeped in inhumanity.
given the right situation, even grace turns toward evil.
KEvron
KEvronista 9 months ago
@KEvronista Grace turned toward justice. That mankind's history is steeped in inhumanity is not an excuse for that inhumanity. Many people throughout that same history pursued moral justice, which is the only reason civilization has improved. Grace became one of them. Or do you sympathize with Tom more?
kindalyosha 7 months ago
@kindalyosha Tom, -it's the worst asshole in Dogville.
lavriccat 4 months ago
after watching this scene again,once more i realized there is no other movie that satisfied me this much with its final.
lanquide 10 months ago
Revenge is great!
L2cxw5fZ7Y 1 year ago
Is seems to me that Lars Von Trier must be some kind of a sadist to make such cold characters.
incrediblehulkmovies 1 year ago
@incrediblehulkmovies you clearly haven't seen the film, so advise you to watch it, and then make up your mind. It is indeed a masterpiece.
lauramitrea 11 months ago
@lauramitrea I did finally watch it all the way through and it looked like something out of a nightmare to me. They treat her nice in the begining, then they betray her, raped over and over again until she has them all killed in the end. How can Von Trier say this about America when he's never been to America. I don't wear my citizenship on my sleeve but still. I watched his movie, surely he can come to America. It's not that bad a place, really.
incrediblehulkmovies 11 months ago
@incrediblehulkmovies just try to see it as "he's saying this about mankind" not as "he's saying this about america". You can lose a lot out of the experience of watching something great just by judging it - try to look at it as a story, a bleak terrible story about the deeply flawed humanity that we're so proud to be a part of. I'm sure that america isn't really worse that, well, any other place. No one would think worse of america after this film. People suck in general, not just in one place.
lauramitrea 11 months ago
@lauramitrea It is well acted, I'll say that much. It almost plays like a dark fairy tale with some very disturbing parts about cruelty and pain.
incrediblehulkmovies 11 months ago
@incrediblehulkmovies I cannot stand Lars von Trier or his pretentious films.
KellyGreen5555 4 months ago
This Scene was played by a classmate of me as Vera and she was brilliant in another way than the original but i loved it and that interpretation was maybe better than the Original :P
BallerInFlames 1 year ago
major spoiler she is the bitch in the movie?
nikkolei 1 year ago
@nikkolei watch the movie before making a judgment on one clip.
cerrenes 9 months ago
Heartbreaking scene – but the way Grace gets her revenge is ... well, brutal, but it seems fair.
bluegrasslass 1 year ago 3
@bluegrasslass It is chilling. I admit I felt no sadness when the oldest boy was shot, he was so creepy, but I did feel horrified when the gunman put the gun right up to the little baby and then pulled the trigger.
lyricsma 1 year ago
What is socortism?
incrediblehulkmovies 1 year ago
This scene pissed me off so much!!!
All my classmetes were infuriated as well.
This movie sux...
MyaChanX3 1 year ago
@MyaChanX3 you suck
JoHeartsArt 8 months ago
That's my favourite bit, too. Just SUCH satisfying catharsis.
Stigmatainmypants 1 year ago
Heh. America.
PGMAMustDie 2 years ago
ok ok .. its truee.... its good...
prosigoalameta 2 years ago
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I saw this and then the new Transformers movie, clearly the better of the two is Optimus Primed.
The cheapskate who made this film couldnt even get a loan for the props because the script was so shitty, and thats why the bitch cries at the end when they break some props, she knows the movie will not gross enough to pay off the cost of those unique little bawlbawls.
SecretTrollAccount1 2 years ago
@SecretTrollAccount1 you're funny.
JoHeartsArt 8 months ago
dogville was an excellent movie, although killing kids and destroying toys are incomparable, the story behind what grace did at the end was favorable. as the lady broke her toys for sleeping with her husband, grace revenge back because she was tortured, raped and scold by everyone in the town. this is my opinion, please feel free to agree and disagree.
lalaland18ify 2 years ago 9
Somehow I don't quite understand...I mean I got the idea of how hurt Grace was to watch her toys being destroyed...but why she didn't punish the men in the ville who raped her or sexual abused her in particularly? I am doing gender study here. I have heard that women tortured each other more seriously then men do in some degree, especially women who are older and more internalized then the younger ones. But I think if I were Grace, I would torture the men before killing them!
KpurpleAblueT13 1 year ago
@lalaland18ify grace's revenge is only a way for lars von trier to say to the audience: see? you would've done the same thing. he doesn't forgive anyone in this movie, not even grace. that's how i see it.
Trogdorrrrrrr 1 year ago
I guess this movie is not about revenge, but rather about remotion of violence, and its extreme consequence- the retourn of violence in an exagerated way (cruelty).
The point is not how to remove violence, but how to transform it in a contructive way before condamning-and then punishing....
ghedehoungan 2 years ago
Yes I agree the movie is a highly disturbing one
and that laugh at the end made me jump out of my skin LOL!
Jemzie95 2 years ago 2
I was fortunate enough to meet Patricia Clarkson earlier last week and we had a rather fascinating discussion about Dogville and working with Lars von Trier.
AngelofMusic04 2 years ago
i loved Dogville, its on my list of DVDs to buy!! soo amazing :D
FashionKid123 2 years ago
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GRACE IS THE JESUS REVENGE!
TylerD2501 2 years ago
no words ...just im afraid for my self that i could be like the Dogvill's maggots
eredwithrin 2 years ago 2
That scared me at the end lol
Jianlibao 2 years ago 5
Between what and what - stoicism is not about lack of emotionality but attitude in the face of events . Toughen up out there . We are our only hope .
aeschhere 2 years ago
Me encanta esta película, la admira tanto, porque con tan pocos elementos pueden captar tu atención durante toda la película y es fácil sentirse identificado con los comportamientos humanos de los personajes. Así somos los seres humanos Nos dan la mano y nos agarramos el pie, y nos aprovechamos de la gente buena y aguas con hacer favores porque con el tiempo la gente las convierte en tus obligaciones. Me encanta el final, y mas lo de Vera Para que aprendan!
kgarridov 2 years ago
They behave so disgustingly. I wish I could kick Vera on her face and throw her out through the window:/
KashyaCharsi 2 years ago 5
yeah I wish someone would upload the whole thing
Splangy1 2 years ago
This movie is brilliant because of the fact that the actors have to carry it all the way through, relying only on their own talent. There are no distractions..that's the beauty of this movie. It's so naked and honest. You can _feel_ everything. Marvelous acting! Nicole was fantastic in it. A masterpiece.
misswings83 2 years ago 40
@misswings83 Filming Stop Or My Mom Will Shoot in a warehouse doesn't make it A Man for All Seasons. A petulant, callow diatribe is not improved by being stripped down, but merely adds another layer of pretension and pretentiousness. This is a movie for those who thought Andy Warhol was a great artist or a great thinker, rather than a self-made myth.
edwdixon5 3 months ago
@edwdixon5 The question, being, however, if the pretension lies in the format rather than the medium. I'd argue that the staging is pretentious--albeit somewhat interesting nonetheless--but does that contaminate the subject matter? For all of the overwrought cruelty present in Von Trier's work, I'd say that the nuanced ways in which it is expressed represent the petty, vain, resentful contemptuousness underlying American society more accurately than any other filmmaker, even Cassavetes.
Theomite 3 months ago
@Theomite Funny, like many reflexive and glib critics of America, I'd say "petty, vain, resentful, and contemptuous" sums them up quite neatly. They respond to their caricature of America with another poorly drawn caricature, and the bashers clap like seals for a dangling fish. America trashing at this level is as convincing and interesting as a bratty teenager calling his parents idiots.
edwdixon5 3 months ago
@edwdixon5 Those are accurate descriptions, but hardly final. But US cinema only shows our glamorous side, so guys like Von Trier have to show the other. Other cultures are vain about themselves, but America tends to be idealistic about itself, so films like Dogville emphasize the oblivious cruelty masquerading as enlightened righteousness. As for caricature, I'd argue that its a conclusion drawn from a crunched 3 hours instead of 22 episodes. It's agitprop, but America isn't beyond reproach.
Theomite 3 months ago
your "funny" ending phrase is a sign that you really got the meaning of this movie...
crimeminister 2 years ago 4
Dogville is an amazingly genius representation of the USA, its culture, its politics, its hypocrisy, its demonic bullying arrogance and its inevitable (thank God) end. Awesome movie!
ednoisin 2 years ago 3
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ednoisin 2 years ago
Dogville is no doubt one of the best films ever made.
I thought the scene with the figurines was far more emotive than when Vera's kids are killed before here eyes - the latter just occurred rapidly. Did anyone else think this too? It must be deliverate on the producer's part?
ephemeralprotagonist 2 years ago 11
Yes, you are right. And it is probably one of the biggest problems for all of those who cheer when the tormentors are shot (I was one of them). How bad is smashing some porcelain compared to killing kids?
It's a very disturbing movie. I can't say, that I really know what the artist's point of view is, perhaps he just wants to leave it to us to find the right answers for oneself.
3Salto 2 years ago 3
@3Salto uhm what bout daily rappings?
nobloodinmyheart 2 years ago
I saw the movie and loved it but never got the critic of the US before the generic when it had that David Bowie song.
skinwalkerxxx 2 years ago
maldita perra rompe figuras ¬¬
damihott648 2 years ago 3
From an acting students point of view the film is artistic.. the whole chalk set, etc is very brechtian because it steers you away from distractions.. It makes you ask yourself why the characters are doing what they are doing.. as well as it also makes you think more about the political issues conveyed as opposed to the acting or the decoration of the set. Not everyone's going to find it entertaining as it requires thinking
stephstar2402 2 years ago 2
well..... yeah.
nathanielKnemis 2 years ago
I do not mean to be rude.... This movie is a master piece from any person able to feel and understanding the entire context of human-existence... Regardless what degree of acting or absence of education this person has. This is a A-to-Z and that is not even all!
solemio09 2 years ago 25
it's fine, you do have a point
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stephstar2402 2 years ago
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This film was one of the worst films i have ever seen. im not sure if it had a good storyline because i was that bored. The cinematography isnt that great, the amount of silly continuity errors looked awful (especially when they were obviously done on purpose....why?). The voice-over made me feel like i was watching something for little kids and what was going on with the set? which is annoying, especially when it comes to someone using a door. Poorly made, not entertaining.
christophmaddog 2 years ago
and this is the worst motivated opinion I've ever read...Dogville is great, it's innovative, well acted and mooving...you do not understand anything about moovies, and if you get bored, that's why you are a boring person...bye
andrew881thebest 2 years ago 9
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Ok i know nothing about movies, wrong. Everyone knows things about films you know why? The auidence of a film get what they want from it. With Dogville i see a crappy thing that looks like it should be kept to a stage performance not film. You see...actually i don't know what you see in it. Thats where we differ. My previous comment was to spark a civilized debate, not for a slanging match. Oh and btw what about disliking this film makes me a boring person. give me some reasons. Not crappy ones
christophmaddog 2 years ago
Ok, I must recognize: the person who replied you could have used better argumentation.
But Christoph, I don't see how this film could be one of the WORST you have seen. I found it marvelous for several reasons, but EVEN IF I HAD GOT BORED with it like you did I wouldn't refuse to admit that it has VERY GOOD character study, very complex and beautiful dramatic archs, and though it may not be so VISUALLY DYNAMIC, below the surface there's always a whirlwind of changing feelings to thrill us.
Pedrolarrozapretti 2 years ago 5
rofl at the thing at the end
calvers7 3 years ago 2
This is the saddest scene of the film :( but then it served her right, to have her kids killer before her eyes if she shed a tear. Karma's a bitch, isn't it?
I was so overwhelmed when the dolls were broken - they represent the symbolic ties she had with Dogville. And Vera shattered it all.
wherewillyoube 3 years ago 4
its the scareyest thing! she seemed like the best off all of the women. but her and her family just had this really DARK side of them. it was so upsetting that scene.
The ending really pulled together! just the way they turned it around.
Wumzum 3 years ago 2
This is one of my favorite movies. Although I really don't go for what seems to me an annoying attempt at pseudo-intellectual originality with the chalk drawings on the stage instead of real scenery, the story is nevertheless so poignant and the twist is so good and unexpected that I really was taken aback. I recommend this movie to everyone.
loljustice 3 years ago
weve been studying this film in our ARt and design Course at University. it wasnt trying to be intellectual with the idea of things being made from chalk, it was trying to be artistic. Tom was the one, who could see "Through the town" that was a big factor of it, and it really just enhanced certain rape scenes. AND it was GREAT for artistic composition.
Wumzum 3 years ago
that was to MilesHackett btw
funcionamaldito 3 years ago
boring pseudo original sincerely don´t like at all acclamed by thls snob world ...dull...
lomaspez 3 years ago
Nicole Kidman is so intense...
One of my all time favorite movie!! :)
Mawii009 3 years ago 3
One of my all time favourite movies. Unlike the director's other movies, which I love, I particularly felt satisfied with this one because of the ending! J U S T I C E! (or revenge?..well)
whymee100 3 years ago
This scene is really strong...
This movie is really awesome!!!
danilocool 3 years ago 5
That seems a little disproportionate.
MetaMorphy 3 years ago
Oh, how I hated that little pussy kid and his cunt mom! I watched this and wanted them machine-gunned before I even knew what the ending would be! Glad it ended happily!
Ecknap 3 years ago
put her in a cage, feed then scraps and treat them like shit then you can say "see i told you she was an animal" I thought the "stop if she stops crying bit" was too uncharicteristic even considering the past and took away from the truth of the film, i bit tricksy or maybe not, who am i though Von Tier is a fucking genius PASS THE FUCKING TOMMY GUN :0
keflar5 3 years ago
I can't help but pity Grace. I almost cried at this scene, you can really feel Grace Mulligan's torment.
brushstrokesrock 3 years ago 3
stoicism isnt about holding back tears.
veras an idiot.
xsherriix 3 years ago
This movie really isn't about sweetnes of revenge, it can said only shortsighted idiot.
Nihilieu 3 years ago
Agreed. If anything, revenge is ultimately condemned in this film. One of my favorite moments teaching film came when I showed this movie in a class and the students cheered at Grace's command to kill the family, only to gasp in disbelief when the gangsters hold up the infant and blow it away with their guns. It is Von Trier questioning the ethics of revenge, not glorifying it. To understand this film as a glorification of revenge is to miss the point in a major way.
barnyardfun 3 years ago 4
Killing all Dogville people is not a revenge action. It´s Justice. "The world is a better place without Dogville".
Every single person in that town is guilty, and their existance was meanless, except for themselves. They deserved what they got.
MauricioCasteglione 3 years ago 13
I couldn't agree more. "Revenge" is as natural as eating or defacting. It isn't good, it isn't bad, it just is. The provacatuer is the guilty, unnatural one. I don't believe the infant was guilty though. I would have rather seen her turn it into a gangster.
Bugsobrite 3 years ago
Dogville says almost everything that "commom" people don´t likt to see or analise regarding themselves. It´s not about American society, it´s about the human weakness.
MauricioCasteglione 3 years ago 9
If you don't think this film is about America then you're ignoring von Trier's entire political allegory. Why else would the film be set in the USA? It could have been set in another country, or a completely fictitious world. It's not. Grace IS "grace", she needs aid from America (the town of Dogville) and is consequently taken advantage of, much like Iraq.
Iraq/America and Old Testament/New Testament are undeniably manifested in this film's politicization.
MilesHackett 3 years ago
for you maybe
funcionamaldito 3 years ago
Even the credits indicate this is a critique of America. Why else would seemingly unrelated images of poverty be shown with David Bowie's "Young AMERICANS" playing overtop of it? Honestly, if you sincerely believe this film doesn't criticize America in any way, then you don't understand its allegorical purpose to begin with.
MilesHackett 3 years ago 2
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Yeah, cause Iraq is the very emobdiment of grance and innocense. Get over yourself.
loljustice 3 years ago
Try reading over what you're saying before posting it, you'll look less incompetent that way..
or not. :)
MilesHackett 3 years ago
you have to agree tho, it is a bit obvious that the film is very much aimed at America. Iraq doesn't need to be part of the equation.
Wumzum 3 years ago
I totally agree with that. Well said. I like that about this movie. Even though I normally don't agree with what happened at the end, I can't help but feel justice. Now, that's a part of you that you keep to yourself, right? It's not something you DO, but it is something you THINK. What Grace does, is def. what I would have thougt about is what I'm saying.
misswings83 2 years ago 7
this movie was fucked up.
fattyrabbit 3 years ago 5
haha!! that laugh in the end!!
Zoefiction 3 years ago
Nicole and her dad sort this bitch out
REVENGE IS DEFINITELY SWEET FOR HER
What a terrific movie Dogville is
sophie23456789 3 years ago
damned!Are you crazy with that laugh :D
PrincessRocka 3 years ago
PS love the surprise at the end ---ripper.
theconstantlaunderer 3 years ago
SHE"S A FAKE in a turd of a movie.
BMX bandits was her best work.
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theconstantlaunderer 3 years ago
@theconstantlaunderer is that prono?
SecretTrollAccount1 8 months ago
great clip, until the text at the end. are you retarded?
mostlyBS 3 years ago 20
No. Are you??? Jezzee it's a joke, whoever takes this seriously is ... well ... you.
EvaneSam 3 years ago
yeah.. me.. Im not retarded either, but I just didnt like your ending. I dont understand why my comment came out twice though. Life is full of surprises.
mostlyBS 3 years ago 5
Well, sorry if you didn't like the ending, maybe you can upload the clip without it.
EvaneSam 3 years ago
Maybe I might just do that some day. I hope you will return the favor and complain at that as well.
mostlyBS 3 years ago
Sure, with the utmost pleasure :P
EvaneSam 3 years ago
I cant wait:D
mostlyBS 3 years ago
@EvaneSam XD
JoHeartsArt 8 months ago
@EvaneSam Ha ha! I liked that! That was my reaction on watching that scene, although I cried too.
bluegrasslass 1 year ago
Retarded?
Revenge is what this movie is all about
Everybody deserved what they got in the end
Especially this cow
sophie23456789 3 years ago
@mostlyBS I don't like the at text either but it has nothing about being retarded. It's a great clip and it's about revenge but also the end text implies @EvaneSam has Passive–aggressive behavior pattern who can not directly show his reaction and collecting those revenge feelings which might explode dangerously one day so learn how to show your reaction at that moment Evane and thank you for the clip keep it up
newestech 8 months ago
@newestech Well I'm working on my passive aggressive behavior, it's just hard when I'm the only one who does. Others still keep pissing me off doing the same things that drive me nuts over and over again. And they know it.There's just so much a person can take.
EvaneSam 8 months ago
great clip, until the text at the end. are you retarded?
mostlyBS 3 years ago
Yep.. for me it was perfect.. seeing the two pivotal scenes of the movie together.. there is nothing to be added.. and then that laugh and caption wreck it.
Top movie though
StephenPerennial 3 years ago
A masterpiece.
affable83 3 years ago 3
yes...la venganza es un plato que se come mejor frio
hazyshaggy 3 years ago 2
i love this movie powerful
iamacheerfulassassin 4 years ago 3
thanks for posting
love this movie ALOT!
very avant garde. Lars Von Trier...
lovinpeas 4 years ago