This does raise a question to me though. Completely irrelivant to bucking..........
If a horse can function this well, Then why shoot them? Why not retire a horse and amputate? Surely thats better then no life at all? Maby not in all cases but laid back horses?
I would never use this in training. There are many different ways to teach a horse not to buck without tying their legs. A horse needs their legs. I feel that you were just taking a short cut.
@Fillyplay This was absolutely NO shortcut. It was a method of last resort after all other techniques tried by other traininers had failed. It may be unpleasant to look at but there was no pain caused to the horse and the technique saved the horse from being put down
Also to everybody watching this, not everybody self-proclaimed 'expert' on the intarwebz actually knows what he/she is doing. Maybe this barbaric way of solving 'problems' (doesn't every horse buck now and then?) worked but the same results can be gained by putting alot of time, efford and patience into properly training and raising your horse.
Its an animal! you can't reason with it and try to talk it into what you want. sometime if things don't work you have to try others. he wasn't beating the horse or being cruel and it worked. so good job!
i was always told to use this as a last resort which i have many times. it does work with the right hand but can also go extremely wrong with lack of experience. I was also taught to take out both feet from your stirrups! ;-)
Not sure I understand! why was the horse's life in danger? Because he bucks? Bit drastic. Work with the little fellow everyday he will come round. Good job we don't all give up on our neddy's because they buck it would be a sad world. My friend Ellie got a Bronc from a rodeo and after alot of work. Stollie is wonderful kids ride him. As far as the leg tying ummm I don't but seen many people do it. Even my vet did it so as long as the neddy is not hurt sometimes you have to try different things.
if the horses life was saved and its still living and fine then i say hell yeah to ya buddy good job im glad he could be spared, also to all you know it alls, you really should read the introduction, i mean you may not have heard of this procedure but hey it worked for this horse and was saved soo get over not being right alllll the time.
It's not what is meant, and what isn't meant. Its what, and who decided it. You cannot go out there saying this is a bad method, when at some point your horse was trained to. Weather you know it was a problem or not, is your issue. But it may have been, and alot of people selling their horse would probably wouldn't tell you. Clearly this method did not hurt the horse as he was walking fine after, nor any of the other horses it was used on. Give the guy some credit, Honestly.
Has anyone taken pain into consideration when a horse bucks, has the horse been seen by a chiro or a massage therapist who specializes in this kind of problem or maybe his/her feet are sore,that could be causeing pain when weight is added. think about it before you say it was the last resort. you do not need to be the boss just a strong confident herd leader when ir comes to training....
@pallueders All of this was thoroughly checked out first, rest assured. Pain was not the cause of the problem, whether from the saddle, saddle area or hooves. This really was a last resort action, which I am pleased to say worked and saved the horse's life
Does it mean something when they lie down? I have a donkey who drops to her knees almost every time i pick up her front hooves.. she is learning to balance but seems to be happy to practivally lie down!
This should not be allowed AT ALL!!! This is how horses get hurt and hate being ridden. They think everytime someone gets on them they are going to feel pain and go back to their legs being tied up. This Is what happened to my horse before I got her. She was abused before I got her. Huge sore and everything. This should be illegal. There are other ways. There is always another way.
Honestly, as uncomfortable as the horse clearly is in this position, there's a point where a quiet sensible rider just won't cut it. As much as we wish that any horse who didn't like being ridden could just live on as a companion horse, there are very few people with the means to do so. This trainer saved this horse from slaughter, using a method that was minimally painful and uncomfortable. Anyone who thinks THIS is a cruel last-ditch effort has some learning to do.
I have seen this work on horses that are stubborn and boneheaded after all normal schooling efforts fail. what i find surprising is that the trainer is not wearing a helmet!
It looks cruel if u think about it cs horses are meant to be wild and forcing them to stop being wild is gonna make them angry but humans love riding horses and so the taming has to be done
Anytime you have to tie up a leg, or use other equipment to mount up a horse for first time, means you have skipped a lot of important relationship building steps. This means you do not trust the horse, and have doudts if the horse even trusts you. Any trainer worth his salt, knows that once a horse decides to trust you completely, than he will do anything ya ask. This is not good starting colt training, this is more man made barbaric measures to force our will on the horse...Period..
@kowgirlnme Not true. This is NOT barbaric and if you'd read the introduction properly you will have realised that many other trainers had tried to solve this horses problem and without success. This was a measure of last resort. It worked and the horse's life was spared. You will also see others here saying how they too have used the technique successfully.
when i was in new zealand we had a similar horse that would buck like crazey, we tried every method to stop him starting with back to basics, but nothing would cure his bucking. the vet found nothing wrong with him. so we used spider hobbles which connect the front left leg to the right hind leg and visa versa. this horse was out hacking the next day with no bucking at all. he is now in england playing high goal polo. some methods do work its just knowing how to apply them correctly.
Theres some really stupid comments here from irresponsible lacking in knowledge horse owners. Better to be hobbled than dogged!! these trainers that work with these damaged hard to manage horses need a medal!
Not my cup of tea, even though it is done relatively camly. What I do not understand is why he has to hit him on his bum when walking him threelegged. That seemed unneccesary. Also why not get up on the other side or use a step or a leg up. That would have made it a lot easier on an already distressed horse.
Thanks for putting the clip up, I gives me insight into other methods.
@mrsalexander2011 As you will see from other comments this is a valid procedure that works, so you have learned something new. It is a last resort process - please do not use offensive language in the future or your comments will be deleted!
i have read about this method before. it was VERY popular in the 1920's-40's. when animal rights activists came into play it lost popularity. i can understand why. it was good to see it in practice but i deinately wont be trying it on a 17.2. i know people that have done it with ponies they have no problems now; mental or physical. i'm still undecided about it...
I agree, very uncomfortable to watch,! There are certainly other methods i would try first that work and would you have done the same if the horse was 17.2?
I agree, very uncomfortable to watch,! There are certainly other methods i would try first that work and would you have done the same if the horse was 17.2?
This really isn't too bad, it didn't hurt the horse so its not really animal cruelty. It clearly saved that horses life. Would any of you rather have to seen that horse be put down because of the bucking or this be done with it? I would rather see this than the horse be put down. Obviously this guy knows what he's doing so I don't really see much of a problem with it.
sadly there are some horses that just like to buck i have a female quarter horse i've had since 2005 and i was told she was a good rider first time i rode her she broke my collar bone fractured my hip and fractured my shoulder blade the next day i had the vet out there to figure out why she was bucking...he found nothing i finally got her where i could ride her without her bucking but to this day she still tries
this horse wasn't hurt in anyway! Why is it so bad to tie up his leg? MANY people hobble horses all the time! how is this any different? Its not like he ran him in the ground like that. If you know horses and good horse trainers you can tell this man really cares for this horse.
I am so sorry so many people cannot understand and feel the need to bash...how rude! This is NOT cruelty in any way shape or form, but needed in some cases. I have not used this method for this particular reason but I have used it and it does work! Also it should be done by someone who is savvy , like the horseman in the video. Great job on your post! Thank God for all the real horsemen still out there!
Guys my horse was bucking because she couldnt do what SHE wants... She must listen to the rider, and not forcing her rider to do something. If the horse has too much temperament, or because she wants to be the boss, this is a really nice method too start showing the horse YOU are the boss, and not him! The horse must thrust you. And the method doesnt cause any pain. And my saddle moves too when I want to get on the horse. It can happen.
doesnt look like cruelty to me especially if its a boneheaded type horse that wont obey anything else! I had a trainer do this to a horse that wouldnt listen and was dangerous, one session stopped it dead, the horse was fine from then on! wasnt cruel, just showed the horse that the trainer/rider ALWAYS has the last word! ie WHO pays for the hay????
@rogerbourdon Thank you for explaining this to people. I can't believe how many "dislikes" this video got! Real horse-people know that occaisonally there are suer stubborn horses that others have spoiled, creating a rougue horse that no-one can ride, or even an extra difficult youngster for that matter. Someties the horse MUST be physically restrained in order to allow the horse's mind to believe YOU are indeed in charge. Hobble training worked wonders for my horse to look to me for release. :)
ive just read a couple other comments.......id love to give you guys one of these stubborn little buggers, i spent 3 years with 1 horse to stop bucking and rearing, i did this and horse was good in an hour and turned into a nice wee show horse, couldnt believe i wasted 3 years fluffing around with everything else, when it only took an hour with this!.
well i thought that was nicely done, ive taken unwanted and problem horses all my life from ppl who were to scared to own them. ive never seen this but have done it and it works, have tryed martengales,special bits, hackamores, resionalble forse,horsemanship, everything and this was the only thing that worked.
Uncomfortable to watch. There are other 'last ditch attempts' than tying a horse's leg up and waiting to see what happens. You say it resolved the problem but just puts an emphasis on how much better horses would be without people trying to 'solve' problems in ridiculous ways. Well done for sorting the bucking and saving this horse from potentially being put down due to being dangerous. But seriously? Tying its leg up. Give it more time and a quiet sensible rider.
having watched all 4 vids, i can see what he is trying to achieve as bucking is a damn dangerous habit. however the methods stop the behaviour by preventing the horse from doing the buck. the straps either hold a leg up or hold the head up. there are other simple ways that allow the horse to teach himself not to buck which are gentler although still a last ditch resort when all pain etc has been ruled out but if desperate i'd rather try these methods at very last than shoot my horse!
I know that hobbling a horse LOOKS cruel, but if done correctly, does not hurt the animal and sometimes, last ditch efforts are necessary, to save a good horse, from becoming useless, as a saddlehorse. Roger, thanks for posting this and thanks for the explanations.
for all those people who think this is very mean, please know this is a last resort, they are not doing this to harm the horse in anyway and they don't leave them on for a long time. Breaking a horse in this way is better then them needing to be destroyed as they are dangerous to people and animals. obviously they don't do this just for the acaisonal buck, this is for those horses that don't stop till your off. How about thinking about why they would do this before posting,
I think that the real problem is that we absolutely want to ride every horse, by all possible methods ... but can you think that some horse are realy not ready (for all of its life) to be riding ? Sometimes we can't dominate all animals ... we must leave them alone, it is best for them.
Regarding the trainer's safety (sorry, I forgot who expressed this concern) - I saw the trainer being aware of his vulnerability and working in a safe, conscientious manner. He had a deep enough connection with the horse to know what to watch for, was in a round pen with deep sand, knew the predictability of his method (as in which way the horse would go if it wanted to dump him) - and had, within 30 seconds, the key ingredient to any successful training - the trust of the horse.
Check the horse's body language. For one or two moments he tested his balance and almost acted the part of a little drama queen (help, I'm falling!!). At the same time he was sizing up this person who was demanding something of him. Notice that instead of falling down, or lying down, he actually pulled himself together, stopped fighting, and learned. Success in such a short time. No cruelty involved.
I was impressed with the unspoken dialog all through this brief session.
Wow - I hate to be so judgmental, but so many of these comments are just plain clueless! I've never seen this technique, but it makes a LOT of sense. Cruel??! Was the horse wounded, injured, or even made to feel great discomfort?! To think that this was too much for a horse is an insult to the species. Hard to imagine this coming from anyone who has any real knowledge of horses.
I haven't been riding a long time but I've watched my riding instructor break in ALOT of horses. I've seen a few accidents myself and I think this is a bad idea, I'm just saying...He's broken in horses that were left in fields with no one ever able to get close to them, and he gets their trust before getting on their back. Maybe this horse just needs to trust someone before they jump on his back.
Or just buy another horse.... let those who do not want to be ridden after all that is already done, alone! There's a world full of horses who would not throw a temper like this! Do we really have to prove our "right" to any horse??? That's not fun anymore..
Just because you do ground work with a horse doesn't mean you are going to have a nice safe ride once you get on it. And an older method is tying a rope around the horses neck to hold their head and tie it around the saddle horn. That would probably have been easier than tying it's leg but I guess whatever works.
this does work if it is done correctly, that was not correct, put the rope on the out side leg this way the horse has some balance and doesnt keep falling down, but even some horses can buck very well with 3 legs so be careful.
i might not like the way its done but ive had it done to a horse i had and it works. it didnt matter what we did we tryed for 2 years to get him to stop bucking me off and he didnt 1 week the man came down for 1 hour a day for a week and 2 years worth of problems gone just like that and i atill have no problems. dont judge sometimes you have no other option.
I wouldn't call that terribly forceful at all, he seemed to use a technique that has been overdone or done poorly by some in the past in a very conscientious way. The horse, while not particularly happy about the situation, didn't have any panic moments, even after the lying down tactic failed.
To be honest watching that all it looked like was hurting the horse, the horse was obviously strugling ! That video wasnt pleasent . Sorry if you take effence to this comment but it's my oppion.
@Snoofy09- Wrong...my horse is broke and sound. Some horses are just fresh or temperamental like mine. Gamblin' Man horses are...Hell, the mare has had tiny kids on her back and she just plods around with them. But when we're training, occasionally she'll do a little crop hop or wiggle. Horses need to play too. They can't just be all work.
looks like a good idea that works to me. So far with spoiled bucking horses we tie
a bowline around the throatlatch, and run it back to the saddle horn. Shuts off there wind when they drop there head to buck. works for me. But I like this technique too.
There really has got to be other ways to prevent this horse from bucking. There is a reason for every type of behavior that the horse presents and your "fix" for this behavior to me doesn't look very safe or natural.
this is not a methhood this is crulty and horses need all four feet to ride and if this horse is bucking then u should use diffrent methhoods this is so cruel this is how to break there legs and let me gus if the horse falles and he gets hurt i bet he would blame the horse when they arnt made to do this
had his same problem with my hafilinger! Thank god I never did something like this, I just rode it out she quickly learned that that was not a way to get me off of her back! She then tried kicking out with her hind leg and then I had to ignore it and she learned that was not a way to get me off her back either! I lounge my horses under saddle before lunging them, they are more relaxed that way!
This is a correction , right ? So there it is even more difficoult, because the horse learned already , that it was successful with doing it hes way. And when the first training was leaking however, it is sometimes nessesairy to do stuff like this, or there is only the choise of the slaugthering. Because you dont wanna have or sell a lifedangerous horse.
I trained horses myself, and we always worked with motivation. Sometimes though, you meet horses they where trained by fear and are byond smart....this kind will fuck everyone who shows the smallest sign of weekness or doesnt know about horselanguage. ( weekness in a horses eyes is not the same weeknesses we are talking about. This can be bodylanguage, this can be a small spot it can catch off, anything like this. )
i have two opinions of this method--i feel its wrong and you should try lots more of different ways as i just hate watching that BUT for the real hard cases sometimes you have to try to old ways to get results.
not my style of training.... but hey if it works for him then fantastic! i have something new i can learn every day i just dont agree with this method.
I've known of this method for those horses that had been marked as "untrainable" . It's truly a last ditch effort. I'm feeling that my little wild mare will end up doing the 3 legged ride too. People say "it takes time". Well I've spent 3 years on my mare to just get her to stand for a farrier without drugs. I am not about to give her 3 more years to decide if she can wear a saddle. hahaha!
Personally I believe that there are other less agressive ways to work with problem horses, however I was not there and I don't know the horse or it's history...
Nice to see other methods, here in England people would react negatively to this, and scream for the rspca, but then, I had to retire my daughter's pony as it was likely to kill her it bucked so badly. Ive seen methods like this work, and wanted to try it, but felt I had to 'look over my shoulder' for fear of nosey ignorant people reporting me. I would never be cruel to a horse and have ridden all my life, but feel we are a little too softly softly in this country. Nice work, subscribing :)
I have to say at first I did not like the idea of the method, but seeing its effectiveness, it does seem like a considerable idea. The only thing is, that's not something that should be done by amatures. If someone were to ride a horse for a half hour or more like that, it could lead to some real issues. But you certainly look like you know just what you're doing, and I give you props for having that much patience.
i completely understand this method but am a little disappointed in the fact that the round pen is so small. i mean it must look small on camera but bid while ur in it???
Guys, I read your comments and I understand what you are saying. What you don't realise by looking at such a short clip, is all the work that went on beforehand by several other trainers, prior to this method being adopted.
Some horses buck every time you get on them. I have a ten year old mare that gives a good three of four jumps every time I ride her, and then she does whatever you want her to do. She is a daughter of Hygrlena o/o Doc Olena from a Peponita/Maxi lena grand daughter. She is sweet and easy to handle. Follows me around just off my right elbow, no kick, bite, stomp, or run off. She just likes to test her riders.
I wish I thought of something like that for my horse. He was restarted several times by professional, natural horsemanship trainers. He is just a natural born bucker, since the day he hit the ground and so was his full sister(who I do not own). It has taken 2yrs of riding to get to the point where I don't think he'll buck every ride. Desperate situations call for desperate measures. I hope people can understand that.
@PotterYouRotter7 . I have ridden over 300 horses. The majority can be trained with natural horsemanship methods. Know what you are speaking about before you run your mouth. Also, how is this abusive compared to people locking horses up in a 12x12 stall 20hrs a day? Or putting him in a pasture only to be pinned into a corner by other horses and have the crap beaten out of him? Trust me a horse kick and bite is far more painful then a rope around a horses leg. the rope was on for a few secs.
@spinninsliding . I really don't know where that whole thought is coming from, obviously some horses don't get on but how is that the owners fault? Obviously the horses that don't get on should be kept apart but generally horses that dislike one another will avoid one another. I strongly disagree with your statements. My horse lives in and out during winter and I do not feel anything I do to be cruel. I do however disagree with the above method. I think it's frightening for the horse involved.
@spinninsliding i do know that most horses can be trained with natural horsemanship. thats what ive been trying to say but obviously this person is not having it. i just personally dont feel its safe to tie a horses leg and ride it. it could fall and hurt both himself and the trainer. and so far i havent heard how that helps the horse to learn to not buck. when im given a description of how that works, ill be ok.
@spinninsliding Yes, a majority of horses can be trained with natural horsemanship. But I truly do not think this is natural horsemanship. It may have worked for the horse, and I don't believe the man is bad, but watching that pony hobble around in that tiny round pen while the man was on him just doesn't seem right.. Yes, keeping a horse in a stall for a long time is not good, but being in a pasture with other horses is not.. What do you think happens to the hundreds of horses out in the wild?
I dont think this is cruel. maybe alittle aggarvating, you cant give it candy when bucks. i mean grow some balls. This is a pretty smart method for a horse that you cant get to stop bucking. Its like people in a three legged race.
I respect this man because he saved this horse's life, but my only qualm is that there are other ways to make a horse go forward. He didn't even give the horse a chance before he smacked the hell out of it.
Rog, a little bit of knowledge is dangerous. The Internet has made experts over night. Ignore the naysayers. As a last ditch effort, as you clearly mark the video, this is extremely humane, far better than some dressage queens whipping the crap out of their horses in an 8m circle. Thanks for the valuable tip.
Horses can walk just fine with one leg unavailable, though it is a bit uncomfortable. I wouldn't have recommended a full-grown man get on a horse of that size, however. Nonetheless, there isn't any full-blown cruelty here. It's a far better method than getting on, strapping yourself in, and beating the horse until it gives up.
@rogerbourdon Mr. Bourden, please continue to keep up the wonderful work you do. Unfortunately, there are a plethora of misinformed, ill-mannered and vicious individuals who are quite brave with their comments while hiding behind a screen name. I have seen it in every arena of You Tube tutorials. It is laughable at first but quickly becomes annoying. If I had tutorials up I am afraid I would disable the comments section just to discourage such behaviour. Thank you for your great work.
@MarcVolf I sometimes wonder why I bother putting videos up when I get comments like this. Yes, John had not seen the horse before and yes, he started with the basics first and tried a variety of other techniques before adopting the one shown in the sample clip here. Of course he did not just jump onto the horse or start by tying up his leg. He is more than concerned about how he treats animals and does not have a "laissez faire" attitude about what happens to the horse!
It is not possible to show an entire DVD here, nor can the DVD show all the hours of training that went on. The intention is to show people the various techniques that can be used. You have absolutely no right to imply John has a blatant disregaard for what he does or the outcome and doesn't care if the horse breaks a leg and it has to be shot. John is passionate about horses - very passionate and does all he can to save them and I find your comment insulting!
Wow... i feel sorry for all the negative comments. Im happy that he did this and "cured" the horse. Others would have send him to the slaughter. (L) Hooray for the ones that TRY. I personaly think that beeing gentle to a horse and using Natural Horsemanship is a great way to deal with difficult horses. But people dont have to get soft on it. In the netherlands we call those people penny-girls. (Usualy girls so thats why) They think they know anything. But they dont know anything.
@rogerbourdon Mr. Bourden, please continue to keep up the wonderful work you do. Unfortunately, there are a plethora of misinformed, ill-mannered and vicious individuals who are quite brave with their comments while hiding behind a screen name. I have seen it in every arena of You Tube tutorials. It is laughable at first but quickly becomes annoying. If I had tutorials up I am afraid I would disable the comments section just to discourage such behaviour. Thank you for your great work.
@rogerbourdon well keep posting them. some people will go to a system and think all others are barbaric or inefective. there is no more cruelty here than putting a bridal on a horse and making him go where you want. they fail to see the difernce between controlling an animal and abusing one.
I don't know what methods other trainers tried, and I'm glad the horse's life was saved, but I'd like to strongly suggest to anyone considering this method to go back to basics first. If something is not working with your horse, you digress, and if the problem is bad enough, you start from square one.
@H0useMouse I fully agree with your comments. The problem here was the horse had been started with the basics again and several other trainers had previously also been called in with no success. So it was that John Pinnell was called in and this video demonstrates the techniques he used which finally worked.
@rogerbourdon Ok, in that case I suppose I have to "agree" with this method, given his life was saved. But I also believe there's a trainer out there for every kind of horse problem, the issue is finding that one person. Most times it doesn't happen with cases like these. Were these trainers natural horsemen/women?
It´s very nice to see that there are people who rescues horses. But these aren´t the best ways. It would be better if he takes the horse into water, cause in water horses can´t buck. That´s what the Indians done, and their horses were one of the best ones.:D It can be so easy to bring the horse to trust you. My one didn´t trust me the first year, and now? When I would be 16 I could ride alone!
for the people saying, i wouldnt let something like this be done to my horse, all your saying is that you dont have a horse that refuses to be ridden. if i had a green horse and i knew that all the methods i had used were completely unsuccesful, id honestly rather have someone go with a more forceful method than, having to put a horse down.
It all boils down to the person(s) responsible for this horse's initiial training!! If the training would have been done right in the first place this method wouldn't have to have been used! Parelli method is the best! Did he get the correct Parelli handling before having to used this method?? The horse may have had other technecs done on him BUT that doesn't mean the correct ones were used.
It's worth noting here too that this pony was a right bugger.... You should see what he had to do to shoe it!!. He was with him for reeducation as no doubt was handled by people that have no idea what horsmanship even is never mind how to handle one.
Hey to all those pony clubbing types who feed their horses a cookie to ask to be nice and behave..... This guy stopped this horse from bucking children off......He's a legend horse breaker. Oh and SASAH..... He does mention in the video that he should have placed it on the off side. :)
i didnt agree with this...but after reading the side and that this was a last resort for the horse then what can you do, as long as it saved another horse from going to waste hes helping the horse out
It does seem harsh to many, but what does not seem to be understood is that many other people tried many other techniques, none of which worked. This is a method of last resort and one of a number on the DVD. It DID save the horse's life - I don't call that being mean
I don't understand how it could be considered harsh. its a controll technique the same reason we put a bit in their mouth or on some horses a tie down. Abusing a horse would be striking it excesivly (to often to hard etc). we use similer things but always open to new ideas. I believe nothing works all the time on all animals so the more I know the better the horse will be for any rider.
I dont like this method either but would you rather your horse had to be put down than go through a few minutes of having its leg tied up. It seems a small price to pay for a horses life. Then again that is just my opinion!
I know it's supposed to help the horse in the long run. But if my horse was bucking I would have her checked by a vet, dentist and farrier, then I'd send her to be schooled, and if worst came to worst I'd use her as a field companion. I do understand your point, but if it were me I wouldn't put my horse down for misbehaving. (:
only reasons to put a horse down are obvious medical ones and if the horse is a danger to other animals or people. overly agresive where training endorphin taps (flipping) natural horsemanship etc has failed. personaly never had to thank god not saying its my skill just good luck and knowing my limitations. I have seen animals that better people than me finaly had to make that choice. (only twice)
wow, i don't think i could actually get on the horse when it's leg was tied up like that. but i relise that this horse was saved and thinking of what coujld happen to a unwated horse that bucks compared to this i rly do rather that it's one leg is tied for a bit...but i do sugest the man wears some kind of head prosectoin, i mean u never know. I would only worry for his safety.
This video shows just a few minutes of the training that took place over a period of time. The process was repeated until the horse learned to take a rider without bucking. Other experienced horse trainers were unsuccessful in resolving the problem. This is a technique of last resort and is NOT cruel, but should only be undertaken by experienced individuals. I realise it shocks many, but remember the horse's life was saved
I had a 13.3hh pony who had been mistreated and thort he was a stallion, he bucked so hard with this meathod he got a bull rider/ VERY experienced rider off and riped the saddle apart in three different parts!
has this horses back been xrayed, he bucks for a reason, i read your coment about many people trying to resolve this issue. if the horse has kissing spine, he will buck ect, the only way to no is with a xray, i no as my horse has had and been treated for ks
wouldn't it have been easier to mount on the opposite side of the tied-up leg? Just so the horse would have a bit more balance....? Not that it matters much now since this was 2007 haha. But I'm glad he was able to save this horse, regardless of the technique.
HOLY *&^% your seriously going to complain about the loose saddle...its going to twist his back???? I bet this horse would have killed you, what people dont understand that once a horse learns to scare and dump people it takes something major, such as this to correct it. Titanbuck, being of someone who uses these methods, not learned from him but from an old cowboy who has produced amazing animals, it takes a year of correction to fix this, but this horse will probably never be a kids horse :)
I love how all of you try and act like you know what your doing. Yes there is other methods, but Im sure the trainer knew what he was doing and used a method that would have the horse discontinue bucking.
@savsavageful exactly i completely agree with u. nobody knows what their talking about and the creator of the video all obviously knows what hes talking about. no othr ppl no this horse, how do they know anythin?
This does raise a question to me though. Completely irrelivant to bucking..........
If a horse can function this well, Then why shoot them? Why not retire a horse and amputate? Surely thats better then no life at all? Maby not in all cases but laid back horses?
howldaloom 1 day ago
"To train a horse to stop bucking"? A horse wouldn't buck, if there were confidence. What an incompetent rider! (sorry for my english!)
grabaran 4 days ago
@grabaran Some horses have a wild streak that is difficult to tame and in this instance had NOTHING to do with the rider
rogerbourdon 3 days ago
@rogerbourdon That's my opinion. Trust is paramount.
grabaran 3 days ago
Dislike :(
xxLittleHorseLoverxx 4 days ago
I would never use this in training. There are many different ways to teach a horse not to buck without tying their legs. A horse needs their legs. I feel that you were just taking a short cut.
Fillyplay 1 month ago 2
@Fillyplay This was absolutely NO shortcut. It was a method of last resort after all other techniques tried by other traininers had failed. It may be unpleasant to look at but there was no pain caused to the horse and the technique saved the horse from being put down
rogerbourdon 1 month ago
i honestly dont think this was so horrible... no blood, no pain, just little bit uncomfortable..
TruePolvora 2 months ago
Also to everybody watching this, not everybody self-proclaimed 'expert' on the intarwebz actually knows what he/she is doing. Maybe this barbaric way of solving 'problems' (doesn't every horse buck now and then?) worked but the same results can be gained by putting alot of time, efford and patience into properly training and raising your horse.
KoiaKiss 2 months ago
oh, srry, that was ment for the person asking if it was safe or not! :P
horseygal7302 4 months ago
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he knows nothing!
cinnamonmewmewlover 5 months ago
Its an animal! you can't reason with it and try to talk it into what you want. sometime if things don't work you have to try others. he wasn't beating the horse or being cruel and it worked. so good job!
msstevienic 5 months ago
i was always told to use this as a last resort which i have many times. it does work with the right hand but can also go extremely wrong with lack of experience. I was also taught to take out both feet from your stirrups! ;-)
catherinejune1982 6 months ago
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Pernutten 6 months ago
Not sure I understand! why was the horse's life in danger? Because he bucks? Bit drastic. Work with the little fellow everyday he will come round. Good job we don't all give up on our neddy's because they buck it would be a sad world. My friend Ellie got a Bronc from a rodeo and after alot of work. Stollie is wonderful kids ride him. As far as the leg tying ummm I don't but seen many people do it. Even my vet did it so as long as the neddy is not hurt sometimes you have to try different things.
britthing72 6 months ago
if the horses life was saved and its still living and fine then i say hell yeah to ya buddy good job im glad he could be spared, also to all you know it alls, you really should read the introduction, i mean you may not have heard of this procedure but hey it worked for this horse and was saved soo get over not being right alllll the time.
horsesrmylife1231 7 months ago 2
It's not what is meant, and what isn't meant. Its what, and who decided it. You cannot go out there saying this is a bad method, when at some point your horse was trained to. Weather you know it was a problem or not, is your issue. But it may have been, and alot of people selling their horse would probably wouldn't tell you. Clearly this method did not hurt the horse as he was walking fine after, nor any of the other horses it was used on. Give the guy some credit, Honestly.
xxxF0ckthatxxx 7 months ago
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barrelracershaun 7 months ago
Has anyone taken pain into consideration when a horse bucks, has the horse been seen by a chiro or a massage therapist who specializes in this kind of problem or maybe his/her feet are sore,that could be causeing pain when weight is added. think about it before you say it was the last resort. you do not need to be the boss just a strong confident herd leader when ir comes to training....
pallueders 7 months ago 7
@pallueders All of this was thoroughly checked out first, rest assured. Pain was not the cause of the problem, whether from the saddle, saddle area or hooves. This really was a last resort action, which I am pleased to say worked and saved the horse's life
rogerbourdon 7 months ago 4
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@rogerbourdon ever thort if tht faild it could be a padock mate rather than put down
elliexena 7 months ago
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DET ER FUCKING SYND
rytteren1 7 months ago
Does it mean something when they lie down? I have a donkey who drops to her knees almost every time i pick up her front hooves.. she is learning to balance but seems to be happy to practivally lie down!
kezzaFIDDY 8 months ago
its mean yes , but it didnt hurt so its ok an dits always only for short time so ..its also verry effectiv i think oO
SuperTinchenxD 8 months ago
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This should not be allowed AT ALL!!! This is how horses get hurt and hate being ridden. They think everytime someone gets on them they are going to feel pain and go back to their legs being tied up. This Is what happened to my horse before I got her. She was abused before I got her. Huge sore and everything. This should be illegal. There are other ways. There is always another way.
1800jesszy 8 months ago 2
Honestly, as uncomfortable as the horse clearly is in this position, there's a point where a quiet sensible rider just won't cut it. As much as we wish that any horse who didn't like being ridden could just live on as a companion horse, there are very few people with the means to do so. This trainer saved this horse from slaughter, using a method that was minimally painful and uncomfortable. Anyone who thinks THIS is a cruel last-ditch effort has some learning to do.
hidenseeker424 8 months ago
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I personally see this as breaking a horses spirit.
ErinLily15 8 months ago
I have seen this work on horses that are stubborn and boneheaded after all normal schooling efforts fail. what i find surprising is that the trainer is not wearing a helmet!
bayyliner 8 months ago
has no one seen Scarlette Johanson's movie the horse whisperer??????
At the end, they do this to her horse.
It is not cruel. If someone made you hop would you sue them and say it was cruelty to humans?
astreaker 8 months ago
@astreaker i have seen it and i know that it isn't cruel it just makes them know that you are the boss
2000Horselover1 8 months ago
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behinderter wixer!
die you ugly ass
greenbuurger 9 months ago
It looks cruel if u think about it cs horses are meant to be wild and forcing them to stop being wild is gonna make them angry but humans love riding horses and so the taming has to be done
keleroo 9 months ago
Anytime you have to tie up a leg, or use other equipment to mount up a horse for first time, means you have skipped a lot of important relationship building steps. This means you do not trust the horse, and have doudts if the horse even trusts you. Any trainer worth his salt, knows that once a horse decides to trust you completely, than he will do anything ya ask. This is not good starting colt training, this is more man made barbaric measures to force our will on the horse...Period..
kowgirlnme 9 months ago 38
@kowgirlnme Not true. This is NOT barbaric and if you'd read the introduction properly you will have realised that many other trainers had tried to solve this horses problem and without success. This was a measure of last resort. It worked and the horse's life was spared. You will also see others here saying how they too have used the technique successfully.
rogerbourdon 9 months ago
Great demonstration.
graphico 9 months ago
when i was in new zealand we had a similar horse that would buck like crazey, we tried every method to stop him starting with back to basics, but nothing would cure his bucking. the vet found nothing wrong with him. so we used spider hobbles which connect the front left leg to the right hind leg and visa versa. this horse was out hacking the next day with no bucking at all. he is now in england playing high goal polo. some methods do work its just knowing how to apply them correctly.
williamsterrry1 9 months ago
Theres some really stupid comments here from irresponsible lacking in knowledge horse owners. Better to be hobbled than dogged!! these trainers that work with these damaged hard to manage horses need a medal!
shelleyfromoz1 9 months ago
Not my cup of tea, even though it is done relatively camly. What I do not understand is why he has to hit him on his bum when walking him threelegged. That seemed unneccesary. Also why not get up on the other side or use a step or a leg up. That would have made it a lot easier on an already distressed horse.
Thanks for putting the clip up, I gives me insight into other methods.
Braveanimal 9 months ago
What a load of shit. I've never heard of this kind of method used to break a bucker.
mrsalexander2011 9 months ago 25
@mrsalexander2011 As you will see from other comments this is a valid procedure that works, so you have learned something new. It is a last resort process - please do not use offensive language in the future or your comments will be deleted!
rogerbourdon 9 months ago
I've actually seen him in action he worked wonders with my horse.
Inuyashalover32179 9 months ago
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UnrealJumping 10 months ago
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That man has no respect for that horse >:(
WissMisz 10 months ago 2
i have read about this method before. it was VERY popular in the 1920's-40's. when animal rights activists came into play it lost popularity. i can understand why. it was good to see it in practice but i deinately wont be trying it on a 17.2. i know people that have done it with ponies they have no problems now; mental or physical. i'm still undecided about it...
ILYJenJenn 10 months ago
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I agree, very uncomfortable to watch,! There are certainly other methods i would try first that work and would you have done the same if the horse was 17.2?
lizeyes 10 months ago
I agree, very uncomfortable to watch,! There are certainly other methods i would try first that work and would you have done the same if the horse was 17.2?
lizeyes 10 months ago
This really isn't too bad, it didn't hurt the horse so its not really animal cruelty. It clearly saved that horses life. Would any of you rather have to seen that horse be put down because of the bucking or this be done with it? I would rather see this than the horse be put down. Obviously this guy knows what he's doing so I don't really see much of a problem with it.
JulieAnn3ily 10 months ago
@Snoofy09
sadly there are some horses that just like to buck i have a female quarter horse i've had since 2005 and i was told she was a good rider first time i rode her she broke my collar bone fractured my hip and fractured my shoulder blade the next day i had the vet out there to figure out why she was bucking...he found nothing i finally got her where i could ride her without her bucking but to this day she still tries
darkiss4428 10 months ago
this horse wasn't hurt in anyway! Why is it so bad to tie up his leg? MANY people hobble horses all the time! how is this any different? Its not like he ran him in the ground like that. If you know horses and good horse trainers you can tell this man really cares for this horse.
azari2483 11 months ago
I am so sorry so many people cannot understand and feel the need to bash...how rude! This is NOT cruelty in any way shape or form, but needed in some cases. I have not used this method for this particular reason but I have used it and it does work! Also it should be done by someone who is savvy , like the horseman in the video. Great job on your post! Thank God for all the real horsemen still out there!
MonkeyDlux 11 months ago
Guys my horse was bucking because she couldnt do what SHE wants... She must listen to the rider, and not forcing her rider to do something. If the horse has too much temperament, or because she wants to be the boss, this is a really nice method too start showing the horse YOU are the boss, and not him! The horse must thrust you. And the method doesnt cause any pain. And my saddle moves too when I want to get on the horse. It can happen.
Nightangelll666 1 year ago
doesnt look like cruelty to me especially if its a boneheaded type horse that wont obey anything else! I had a trainer do this to a horse that wouldnt listen and was dangerous, one session stopped it dead, the horse was fine from then on! wasnt cruel, just showed the horse that the trainer/rider ALWAYS has the last word! ie WHO pays for the hay????
bayyliner 1 year ago
HUMBLE HOBBLE! YA! I really like this guy
fiddler9635 1 year ago
@rogerbourdon Thank you for explaining this to people. I can't believe how many "dislikes" this video got! Real horse-people know that occaisonally there are suer stubborn horses that others have spoiled, creating a rougue horse that no-one can ride, or even an extra difficult youngster for that matter. Someties the horse MUST be physically restrained in order to allow the horse's mind to believe YOU are indeed in charge. Hobble training worked wonders for my horse to look to me for release. :)
Italianiceisnice 1 year ago
ive just read a couple other comments.......id love to give you guys one of these stubborn little buggers, i spent 3 years with 1 horse to stop bucking and rearing, i did this and horse was good in an hour and turned into a nice wee show horse, couldnt believe i wasted 3 years fluffing around with everything else, when it only took an hour with this!.
TheCortina01 1 year ago
well i thought that was nicely done, ive taken unwanted and problem horses all my life from ppl who were to scared to own them. ive never seen this but have done it and it works, have tryed martengales,special bits, hackamores, resionalble forse,horsemanship, everything and this was the only thing that worked.
TheCortina01 1 year ago
Uncomfortable to watch. There are other 'last ditch attempts' than tying a horse's leg up and waiting to see what happens. You say it resolved the problem but just puts an emphasis on how much better horses would be without people trying to 'solve' problems in ridiculous ways. Well done for sorting the bucking and saving this horse from potentially being put down due to being dangerous. But seriously? Tying its leg up. Give it more time and a quiet sensible rider.
lycanmagick 1 year ago 66
having watched all 4 vids, i can see what he is trying to achieve as bucking is a damn dangerous habit. however the methods stop the behaviour by preventing the horse from doing the buck. the straps either hold a leg up or hold the head up. there are other simple ways that allow the horse to teach himself not to buck which are gentler although still a last ditch resort when all pain etc has been ruled out but if desperate i'd rather try these methods at very last than shoot my horse!
04kezza 1 year ago
I know that hobbling a horse LOOKS cruel, but if done correctly, does not hurt the animal and sometimes, last ditch efforts are necessary, to save a good horse, from becoming useless, as a saddlehorse. Roger, thanks for posting this and thanks for the explanations.
cowgirlmoon 1 year ago 2
Did you check out if the horse had pain in the back before doing this?
19LadyCharlotte91 1 year ago
for all those people who think this is very mean, please know this is a last resort, they are not doing this to harm the horse in anyway and they don't leave them on for a long time. Breaking a horse in this way is better then them needing to be destroyed as they are dangerous to people and animals. obviously they don't do this just for the acaisonal buck, this is for those horses that don't stop till your off. How about thinking about why they would do this before posting,
brumbyband 1 year ago
I think that the real problem is that we absolutely want to ride every horse, by all possible methods ... but can you think that some horse are realy not ready (for all of its life) to be riding ? Sometimes we can't dominate all animals ... we must leave them alone, it is best for them.
DivineHelly 1 year ago 2
Regarding the trainer's safety (sorry, I forgot who expressed this concern) - I saw the trainer being aware of his vulnerability and working in a safe, conscientious manner. He had a deep enough connection with the horse to know what to watch for, was in a round pen with deep sand, knew the predictability of his method (as in which way the horse would go if it wanted to dump him) - and had, within 30 seconds, the key ingredient to any successful training - the trust of the horse.
skinnybopbop 1 year ago
Check the horse's body language. For one or two moments he tested his balance and almost acted the part of a little drama queen (help, I'm falling!!). At the same time he was sizing up this person who was demanding something of him. Notice that instead of falling down, or lying down, he actually pulled himself together, stopped fighting, and learned. Success in such a short time. No cruelty involved.
I was impressed with the unspoken dialog all through this brief session.
skinnybopbop 1 year ago
Wow - I hate to be so judgmental, but so many of these comments are just plain clueless! I've never seen this technique, but it makes a LOT of sense. Cruel??! Was the horse wounded, injured, or even made to feel great discomfort?! To think that this was too much for a horse is an insult to the species. Hard to imagine this coming from anyone who has any real knowledge of horses.
skinnybopbop 1 year ago
This seem crule, but it is a good idea
SoquilliFan 1 year ago
would like to tell everyone that this technical is good and work when the horse has a temper
adelking66 1 year ago
Why is everyone saying this is a bad idea? people only do it when they have tried everything else! and yes it DOES work!
SwiftDusty1 1 year ago
I haven't been riding a long time but I've watched my riding instructor break in ALOT of horses. I've seen a few accidents myself and I think this is a bad idea, I'm just saying...He's broken in horses that were left in fields with no one ever able to get close to them, and he gets their trust before getting on their back. Maybe this horse just needs to trust someone before they jump on his back.
SiligeM 1 year ago 6
Or just buy another horse.... let those who do not want to be ridden after all that is already done, alone! There's a world full of horses who would not throw a temper like this! Do we really have to prove our "right" to any horse??? That's not fun anymore..
liztchan 1 year ago
Just because you do ground work with a horse doesn't mean you are going to have a nice safe ride once you get on it. And an older method is tying a rope around the horses neck to hold their head and tie it around the saddle horn. That would probably have been easier than tying it's leg but I guess whatever works.
lynz411 1 year ago
idk why everyone is freaking out...i thought that was actually a very smart idea on the trainer's part!
crazyyjumpergurl 1 year ago
@rogerbourdon maybe all other possibilities of the reasons for the bucking are expplored and yes, maybe the horse is temperamental.
BUT this not the right method in my opinion. If you have PATIENCE, you can get this problem fixed in a more gentle way, that will actually last.
Tia310 1 year ago 4
this does work if it is done correctly, that was not correct, put the rope on the out side leg this way the horse has some balance and doesnt keep falling down, but even some horses can buck very well with 3 legs so be careful.
Chickyhayz 1 year ago
i might not like the way its done but ive had it done to a horse i had and it works. it didnt matter what we did we tryed for 2 years to get him to stop bucking me off and he didnt 1 week the man came down for 1 hour a day for a week and 2 years worth of problems gone just like that and i atill have no problems. dont judge sometimes you have no other option.
MsBabybee123 1 year ago
I wouldn't call that terribly forceful at all, he seemed to use a technique that has been overdone or done poorly by some in the past in a very conscientious way. The horse, while not particularly happy about the situation, didn't have any panic moments, even after the lying down tactic failed.
pawpainter 1 year ago
hm...if this works..all right. But it still seems to be not very nice.
Satanize88 1 year ago
To be honest watching that all it looked like was hurting the horse, the horse was obviously strugling ! That video wasnt pleasent . Sorry if you take effence to this comment but it's my oppion.
RosieNinetoes 1 year ago
@Snoofy09- Wrong...my horse is broke and sound. Some horses are just fresh or temperamental like mine. Gamblin' Man horses are...Hell, the mare has had tiny kids on her back and she just plods around with them. But when we're training, occasionally she'll do a little crop hop or wiggle. Horses need to play too. They can't just be all work.
jberban420 1 year ago
I like this video
Textkontor 1 year ago
looks like a good idea that works to me. So far with spoiled bucking horses we tie
a bowline around the throatlatch, and run it back to the saddle horn. Shuts off there wind when they drop there head to buck. works for me. But I like this technique too.
mavrickscar 1 year ago
There really has got to be other ways to prevent this horse from bucking. There is a reason for every type of behavior that the horse presents and your "fix" for this behavior to me doesn't look very safe or natural.
ninjaboonma 1 year ago 4
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this is not a methhood this is crulty and horses need all four feet to ride and if this horse is bucking then u should use diffrent methhoods this is so cruel this is how to break there legs and let me gus if the horse falles and he gets hurt i bet he would blame the horse when they arnt made to do this
lollyj76 1 year ago
had his same problem with my hafilinger! Thank god I never did something like this, I just rode it out she quickly learned that that was not a way to get me off of her back! She then tried kicking out with her hind leg and then I had to ignore it and she learned that was not a way to get me off her back either! I lounge my horses under saddle before lunging them, they are more relaxed that way!
MegsLivestock 1 year ago
This is a correction , right ? So there it is even more difficoult, because the horse learned already , that it was successful with doing it hes way. And when the first training was leaking however, it is sometimes nessesairy to do stuff like this, or there is only the choise of the slaugthering. Because you dont wanna have or sell a lifedangerous horse.
ptrkjrdn 1 year ago
I trained horses myself, and we always worked with motivation. Sometimes though, you meet horses they where trained by fear and are byond smart....this kind will fuck everyone who shows the smallest sign of weekness or doesnt know about horselanguage. ( weekness in a horses eyes is not the same weeknesses we are talking about. This can be bodylanguage, this can be a small spot it can catch off, anything like this. )
ptrkjrdn 1 year ago
Hm .. I don't like this method, it looks a bit cruel o.O
BreekeSugarshock 1 year ago 2
That's a bit harsh. Especially with a rider on it! I know that this is how you save it's life, but.. I think it's a bit cruel.
JSWIZZL3 1 year ago
I understand lunging him with three legs , But isnt it a little bit hard in the horse to have a rider on him?????
(NO OFFENCE INTENDED)
gem4spiritandcona 1 year ago
i have two opinions of this method--i feel its wrong and you should try lots more of different ways as i just hate watching that BUT for the real hard cases sometimes you have to try to old ways to get results.
loveanimalsforever 1 year ago
not my style of training.... but hey if it works for him then fantastic! i have something new i can learn every day i just dont agree with this method.
enlightenmeonly 1 year ago
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1212parker 1 year ago
@buckinfun i can understand that. they less room the horse has to buck the better
beauty101115 1 year ago
I've known of this method for those horses that had been marked as "untrainable" . It's truly a last ditch effort. I'm feeling that my little wild mare will end up doing the 3 legged ride too. People say "it takes time". Well I've spent 3 years on my mare to just get her to stand for a farrier without drugs. I am not about to give her 3 more years to decide if she can wear a saddle. hahaha!
buckinfun 1 year ago
Personally I believe that there are other less agressive ways to work with problem horses, however I was not there and I don't know the horse or it's history...
fowlerpower2009 1 year ago
Nice to see other methods, here in England people would react negatively to this, and scream for the rspca, but then, I had to retire my daughter's pony as it was likely to kill her it bucked so badly. Ive seen methods like this work, and wanted to try it, but felt I had to 'look over my shoulder' for fear of nosey ignorant people reporting me. I would never be cruel to a horse and have ridden all my life, but feel we are a little too softly softly in this country. Nice work, subscribing :)
TrippyGit 1 year ago
I have to say at first I did not like the idea of the method, but seeing its effectiveness, it does seem like a considerable idea. The only thing is, that's not something that should be done by amatures. If someone were to ride a horse for a half hour or more like that, it could lead to some real issues. But you certainly look like you know just what you're doing, and I give you props for having that much patience.
softballbabiii14 1 year ago
i completely understand this method but am a little disappointed in the fact that the round pen is so small. i mean it must look small on camera but bid while ur in it???
beauty101115 1 year ago 2
@redhotthorse Thats really cool and im happy that it worked for the horse.
redhotthorse 1 year ago
i have never seen any one strap a horses leg to its body. i would probably never do that but if it works for you then its none of my business.
ChiefRox535 1 year ago
i think the saddle was a bit loose but it like a good idea
professionaljumper01 1 year ago
i think this method isn't good for the horse!
JenniFefa1 1 year ago 2
Guys, I read your comments and I understand what you are saying. What you don't realise by looking at such a short clip, is all the work that went on beforehand by several other trainers, prior to this method being adopted.
rogerbourdon 1 year ago
A horse with ALL ground work done will not try to buck.
I see you need to do alot more ground work if you even do ground work.
starslillybug2010 1 year ago
why the need for hate everyone? there is absolutely no need.
hkitty383 1 year ago
das ist so gemein!
Alesi1995 1 year ago
I don't care what you say
I would NEVER do that
Christianrider93 1 year ago 2
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lmeins29 1 year ago
Some horses buck every time you get on them. I have a ten year old mare that gives a good three of four jumps every time I ride her, and then she does whatever you want her to do. She is a daughter of Hygrlena o/o Doc Olena from a Peponita/Maxi lena grand daughter. She is sweet and easy to handle. Follows me around just off my right elbow, no kick, bite, stomp, or run off. She just likes to test her riders.
kingachybraky 1 year ago
I wish I thought of something like that for my horse. He was restarted several times by professional, natural horsemanship trainers. He is just a natural born bucker, since the day he hit the ground and so was his full sister(who I do not own). It has taken 2yrs of riding to get to the point where I don't think he'll buck every ride. Desperate situations call for desperate measures. I hope people can understand that.
spinninsliding 1 year ago
@PotterYouRotter7 . I have ridden over 300 horses. The majority can be trained with natural horsemanship methods. Know what you are speaking about before you run your mouth. Also, how is this abusive compared to people locking horses up in a 12x12 stall 20hrs a day? Or putting him in a pasture only to be pinned into a corner by other horses and have the crap beaten out of him? Trust me a horse kick and bite is far more painful then a rope around a horses leg. the rope was on for a few secs.
spinninsliding 1 year ago
@spinninsliding . I really don't know where that whole thought is coming from, obviously some horses don't get on but how is that the owners fault? Obviously the horses that don't get on should be kept apart but generally horses that dislike one another will avoid one another. I strongly disagree with your statements. My horse lives in and out during winter and I do not feel anything I do to be cruel. I do however disagree with the above method. I think it's frightening for the horse involved.
TuesdaysDream 1 year ago
@spinninsliding i do know that most horses can be trained with natural horsemanship. thats what ive been trying to say but obviously this person is not having it. i just personally dont feel its safe to tie a horses leg and ride it. it could fall and hurt both himself and the trainer. and so far i havent heard how that helps the horse to learn to not buck. when im given a description of how that works, ill be ok.
PotterYouRotter7 1 year ago
@spinninsliding Yes, a majority of horses can be trained with natural horsemanship. But I truly do not think this is natural horsemanship. It may have worked for the horse, and I don't believe the man is bad, but watching that pony hobble around in that tiny round pen while the man was on him just doesn't seem right.. Yes, keeping a horse in a stall for a long time is not good, but being in a pasture with other horses is not.. What do you think happens to the hundreds of horses out in the wild?
lilacwinteraire 1 year ago
I dont think this is cruel. maybe alittle aggarvating, you cant give it candy when bucks. i mean grow some balls. This is a pretty smart method for a horse that you cant get to stop bucking. Its like people in a three legged race.
rockymntgirl215 1 year ago
I respect this man because he saved this horse's life, but my only qualm is that there are other ways to make a horse go forward. He didn't even give the horse a chance before he smacked the hell out of it.
SavvyHill 1 year ago
Rog, a little bit of knowledge is dangerous. The Internet has made experts over night. Ignore the naysayers. As a last ditch effort, as you clearly mark the video, this is extremely humane, far better than some dressage queens whipping the crap out of their horses in an 8m circle. Thanks for the valuable tip.
SoelleKhiss 1 year ago 2
Horses can walk just fine with one leg unavailable, though it is a bit uncomfortable. I wouldn't have recommended a full-grown man get on a horse of that size, however. Nonetheless, there isn't any full-blown cruelty here. It's a far better method than getting on, strapping yourself in, and beating the horse until it gives up.
Mewlie 1 year ago 2
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@rogerbourdon Mr. Bourden, please continue to keep up the wonderful work you do. Unfortunately, there are a plethora of misinformed, ill-mannered and vicious individuals who are quite brave with their comments while hiding behind a screen name. I have seen it in every arena of You Tube tutorials. It is laughable at first but quickly becomes annoying. If I had tutorials up I am afraid I would disable the comments section just to discourage such behaviour. Thank you for your great work.
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2henkie 1 year ago
@MarcVolf I sometimes wonder why I bother putting videos up when I get comments like this. Yes, John had not seen the horse before and yes, he started with the basics first and tried a variety of other techniques before adopting the one shown in the sample clip here. Of course he did not just jump onto the horse or start by tying up his leg. He is more than concerned about how he treats animals and does not have a "laissez faire" attitude about what happens to the horse!
rogerbourdon 1 year ago
It is not possible to show an entire DVD here, nor can the DVD show all the hours of training that went on. The intention is to show people the various techniques that can be used. You have absolutely no right to imply John has a blatant disregaard for what he does or the outcome and doesn't care if the horse breaks a leg and it has to be shot. John is passionate about horses - very passionate and does all he can to save them and I find your comment insulting!
rogerbourdon 1 year ago
@rogerbourdon
Wow... i feel sorry for all the negative comments. Im happy that he did this and "cured" the horse. Others would have send him to the slaughter. (L) Hooray for the ones that TRY. I personaly think that beeing gentle to a horse and using Natural Horsemanship is a great way to deal with difficult horses. But people dont have to get soft on it. In the netherlands we call those people penny-girls. (Usualy girls so thats why) They think they know anything. But they dont know anything.
Laneismynickname 1 year ago
@rogerbourdon Mr. Bourden, please continue to keep up the wonderful work you do. Unfortunately, there are a plethora of misinformed, ill-mannered and vicious individuals who are quite brave with their comments while hiding behind a screen name. I have seen it in every arena of You Tube tutorials. It is laughable at first but quickly becomes annoying. If I had tutorials up I am afraid I would disable the comments section just to discourage such behaviour. Thank you for your great work.
dovemaiden333 1 year ago
@rogerbourdon well keep posting them. some people will go to a system and think all others are barbaric or inefective. there is no more cruelty here than putting a bridal on a horse and making him go where you want. they fail to see the difernce between controlling an animal and abusing one.
123456789mischief 1 year ago
I don't know what methods other trainers tried, and I'm glad the horse's life was saved, but I'd like to strongly suggest to anyone considering this method to go back to basics first. If something is not working with your horse, you digress, and if the problem is bad enough, you start from square one.
H0useMouse 1 year ago
@H0useMouse I fully agree with your comments. The problem here was the horse had been started with the basics again and several other trainers had previously also been called in with no success. So it was that John Pinnell was called in and this video demonstrates the techniques he used which finally worked.
rogerbourdon 1 year ago
@rogerbourdon Ok, in that case I suppose I have to "agree" with this method, given his life was saved. But I also believe there's a trainer out there for every kind of horse problem, the issue is finding that one person. Most times it doesn't happen with cases like these. Were these trainers natural horsemen/women?
H0useMouse 1 year ago
It´s very nice to see that there are people who rescues horses. But these aren´t the best ways. It would be better if he takes the horse into water, cause in water horses can´t buck. That´s what the Indians done, and their horses were one of the best ones.:D It can be so easy to bring the horse to trust you. My one didn´t trust me the first year, and now? When I would be 16 I could ride alone!
*sryformybadenglish*
Rimfaxe96 1 year ago
for the people saying, i wouldnt let something like this be done to my horse, all your saying is that you dont have a horse that refuses to be ridden. if i had a green horse and i knew that all the methods i had used were completely unsuccesful, id honestly rather have someone go with a more forceful method than, having to put a horse down.
naturalartljb 1 year ago
Thats a halflinger :) Thats the same kind of horse I have.
MirandaisEpicyahdigg 1 year ago
It all boils down to the person(s) responsible for this horse's initiial training!! If the training would have been done right in the first place this method wouldn't have to have been used! Parelli method is the best! Did he get the correct Parelli handling before having to used this method?? The horse may have had other technecs done on him BUT that doesn't mean the correct ones were used.
cowgirlupgood 1 year ago
It's worth noting here too that this pony was a right bugger.... You should see what he had to do to shoe it!!. He was with him for reeducation as no doubt was handled by people that have no idea what horsmanship even is never mind how to handle one.
leilaminette 1 year ago
Hey to all those pony clubbing types who feed their horses a cookie to ask to be nice and behave..... This guy stopped this horse from bucking children off......He's a legend horse breaker. Oh and SASAH..... He does mention in the video that he should have placed it on the off side. :)
leilaminette 1 year ago
i didnt agree with this...but after reading the side and that this was a last resort for the horse then what can you do, as long as it saved another horse from going to waste hes helping the horse out
0purple0oranges0 1 year ago
I'm suprised that saddle is so loose on the horse..
kryssje 2 years ago
well you know i think that itsa good technique but i would use something tthat requires less balance with my horse
montreal20sasha 2 years ago
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good idea!!!! Rider has to be safe before the horse!!!
missskyliner33 2 years ago
Both have to be safe.
GoatBlaat 2 years ago
i think he might of cacked up abit when he was trying to get on the saddle lol
and great training anyway
Axle784cp 2 years ago
It does seem harsh to many, but what does not seem to be understood is that many other people tried many other techniques, none of which worked. This is a method of last resort and one of a number on the DVD. It DID save the horse's life - I don't call that being mean
rogerbourdon 2 years ago
@rogerbourdon i have ad problem horses u go back to the basics and start over u dont hobble were there lible to fall and hurt them selfs
bpresswood 2 years ago 3
I don't understand how it could be considered harsh. its a controll technique the same reason we put a bit in their mouth or on some horses a tie down. Abusing a horse would be striking it excesivly (to often to hard etc). we use similer things but always open to new ideas. I believe nothing works all the time on all animals so the more I know the better the horse will be for any rider.
123456789mischief 2 years ago
@rogerbourdon Excellent!
farrier616 2 years ago
@rogerbourdon okay, BUT he could have gotten onto him by using a step. that looked painsome because of the moving saddle.
LittleOne2345 1 year ago
happybunny455
I dont like this method either but would you rather your horse had to be put down than go through a few minutes of having its leg tied up. It seems a small price to pay for a horses life. Then again that is just my opinion!
rocker0929 2 years ago 2
rocker0929:
I know it's supposed to help the horse in the long run. But if my horse was bucking I would have her checked by a vet, dentist and farrier, then I'd send her to be schooled, and if worst came to worst I'd use her as a field companion. I do understand your point, but if it were me I wouldn't put my horse down for misbehaving. (:
happybunny455 2 years ago 3
happybunny455:
I know what you mean, neither would I, it is just that some people would, which incidentaly i think is wrng and cruel!
rocker0929 2 years ago 2
only reasons to put a horse down are obvious medical ones and if the horse is a danger to other animals or people. overly agresive where training endorphin taps (flipping) natural horsemanship etc has failed. personaly never had to thank god not saying its my skill just good luck and knowing my limitations. I have seen animals that better people than me finaly had to make that choice. (only twice)
123456789mischief 2 years ago
this is usually my last resort when i train horses.... as i dont relly agree with it....
but still i least get on the other side to teach them better balance and so they dont fall on top of me or hurt themselves
charlie2272005 2 years ago
mmm..
thelovelyboner 2 years ago
wow, i don't think i could actually get on the horse when it's leg was tied up like that. but i relise that this horse was saved and thinking of what coujld happen to a unwated horse that bucks compared to this i rly do rather that it's one leg is tied for a bit...but i do sugest the man wears some kind of head prosectoin, i mean u never know. I would only worry for his safety.
chloegurl043 2 years ago
Good last resort method.
AmberElaine0824 2 years ago
Seems a bit to easy doing this and the horse stops bucking. What happens outside the corall with another rider and no strap?
helluicki 2 years ago 3
This video shows just a few minutes of the training that took place over a period of time. The process was repeated until the horse learned to take a rider without bucking. Other experienced horse trainers were unsuccessful in resolving the problem. This is a technique of last resort and is NOT cruel, but should only be undertaken by experienced individuals. I realise it shocks many, but remember the horse's life was saved
rogerbourdon 2 years ago
Don't think maybe the horse was treated badly or forced to do something so he learned to buck? But everyone trains different.
Sockatears101 2 years ago
I had a 13.3hh pony who had been mistreated and thort he was a stallion, he bucked so hard with this meathod he got a bull rider/ VERY experienced rider off and riped the saddle apart in three different parts!
But he was a special case!
hg428 2 years ago
Personally I don't rly agree with this method-but people have their own techniques.
Legacysmyboy 2 years ago 2
I dont quite agree with the tying of the leg but every horse learns differently just like people. This obviously was the way to work with this horse.
wyocanchaser 2 years ago 5
has this horses back been xrayed, he bucks for a reason, i read your coment about many people trying to resolve this issue. if the horse has kissing spine, he will buck ect, the only way to no is with a xray, i no as my horse has had and been treated for ks
vicky131200 2 years ago
wouldn't it have been easier to mount on the opposite side of the tied-up leg? Just so the horse would have a bit more balance....? Not that it matters much now since this was 2007 haha. But I'm glad he was able to save this horse, regardless of the technique.
al3xswim 2 years ago
HOLY *&^% your seriously going to complain about the loose saddle...its going to twist his back???? I bet this horse would have killed you, what people dont understand that once a horse learns to scare and dump people it takes something major, such as this to correct it. Titanbuck, being of someone who uses these methods, not learned from him but from an old cowboy who has produced amazing animals, it takes a year of correction to fix this, but this horse will probably never be a kids horse :)
theAbarJ 2 years ago 2
I love how all of you try and act like you know what your doing. Yes there is other methods, but Im sure the trainer knew what he was doing and used a method that would have the horse discontinue bucking.
savsavageful 2 years ago 6
@savsavageful exactly i completely agree with u. nobody knows what their talking about and the creator of the video all obviously knows what hes talking about. no othr ppl no this horse, how do they know anythin?
justadream099 1 year ago