Could you guys imagine how much it would cost to change the entire US arsenal's caliber? Man that would be expensive. I wouldn't mind a change but wow, I don't foresee it for a while, not with today's economy anyway.
Ok, back in my youth I thought no intermediate round could top a 308, but now I realize that most 6.5's can get hits out to 1000 yards and penetrate on game like dick-sized safari rounds!
So the question is which is best? 6.5 Arisaka, 6.5 Norma, 6.5 Grendal, 6.5 Swede or 6.5 carcano?
I really wanna know how they stack up against each other so I can make the right purchase, I'm guessing the norma but I could be wrong!
he shot the 5.56 low then shot 7.62 high and 6.5 high too.....shoot all of them in the same spot!!!!.....but i like the 6.8 not sayin it's better that's just wat i like
I think this one is not a very accurate depiction. The grendels bullet hit the target a little more further from the ground than the AK47 round did. AK47 round hit the target somewhere at the center and grendel round somewhere near the "neck". What i am trying to say is, for this type of target the location where it is hit makes a difference. Higher the target is hit from the ground, higher the probability that the target is going to fall, even for a 5.56 caliber bullet.
@bringerovdeath Where did you get your data? The Grendel with a 16 inch barrel shoots a 90 grain bullet at 2760 FPS. Once you start running a 120 grain plus on the Grendel, you will clearly see the advantage due to the high BC. I have a source to backup my claim, but do you?
@bringerovdeath A good link to read about the 6.5 velocity and advantages is the FAQ for specific caliber at ar15.com. I own a 6.5 Grendel and it shoots the 123 grain Lapua at 2600 fps with a BC of 547. I was just trying to clear up any misinterpreted data you listed. Thanks.
HMM. I noticed that too 950rpm. If you were to push on the bottom of those targets, it'd be alot harder to push down than if you were to push it where he shot it with either the AK for Grendell. I think it was staged with the 5.56 to make the Grendell look that much better. I'm not saying that the Grendell isn't amazing or anything, but still... Seems like a hoax to me.
The grendal Is more aerodynamic because it's boattailed. They did that with the aught 6 back in 1903 and discontinued it because it was beyond the safety limits of the ranges. If the US doesn't wanna adopt a new round at least tail the 5.56 and half jacket it for better expansion
@Wabaanimkii you know nothing ov ballistics plus they make a boattail 5.56 as well as hollow point jacketed hollow point full metal jacket soft point solid copper polymer tippet steel core frangible match and thats not even all the options for 5.56 configurations there's a variety ov weights too
First, why not use a 6,8 mm? It's also an intermediate round, and packs about the same punch, but has some more availability (SCAR-H, ACR, REC-7), whereas the Grendel is available for ummm... just this gun I think. Haven't seen ammo lying around my local gunshop either, but i did see the 6,8. Second, That block next to the melon is prepped.
@aresplaylist The 6.5 Grendel is one of those "special" rounds that you have to order from online. You can get a conversion for a ar10 by changing barrels, and by changing the bolt. They also make bolt actions for it. Would have one but do not have enough money. Lol
6.5 grendal was developed off a russian catridge called the .220 ppc which in turn was developed off the 7.63x39 ammunition. the cartridge is more off a dmr or intermediate sniper catridge. yes it does generate less recoil and is still supersonic at a father range than the 7.62 nato, but think of ammo availability. you would have to get contracts for ammo, upper receivers, magazines, and optic for certain troops. not dissing on the cartridge just giving my opinion and no mean comments please
@MultiMarcus99 and how did you get it off of your fathers bolt action rifle? If you think that because the bullet will fit in side the barrel than you are wrong.
@MultiMarcus99 I have still yet to receive any of your sources yet. That and your previous comment is not making any sense. Yes blotactions can take some cartridge pressure better. And who did what changes? I am very courious as to where you get your information from. I do not want to be rude here but I believe and it's my opinion that you are confused about this subject that we are attempting to discuss
This was actually decided in 1950 by the British .280 cal . Bascially the same as the Grendal, but produced 50 years ago. Unfortunatley the US would not agree....
I bet they were fucking around with stuff like this decades ago.Question is,does your country want you to have best weapon??Not ,if wars you are sent into are smoke and mirrors.
@checkie4ever lol of course. The only reason it's public is because they are working on something even better or something just like but to improve on it..
The grendel wouldn't be the last thing I'd want to face... Don't you think you'd be more shit scared from a .50 weap or Super Magnum?? =/ ... Shit, and that's the tip of things lol
@SimonLy90 we did 1950 by the British with the .280 cal . basically the same as the above but the US vetoed it as the NATO round and that was the end of that.
@TaZ101SAGA I have piston and DI, all piston does is move the cleaning to the front it still gets messy. Good quality AR with correct lube, DI doesn't care.
There is no way to fairly compare the two as one being better than the other. The Grendel 6.5 and Beowulf .500 are monster weapons, the rounds themselves ballistically speaking, outclass the 5.56 and 7.62. But I don't think it will ever totally debunk either one as a viable round.
The HK416, on the other hand, incorporates a revolutionary gas piston system that is far cleaner than the traditional breech recoil operation, as it blows fouling out the front, a la G36 series.
It seems like the video was a commercial for Grendel, I wonder why they don't think anyone knows if you shot the steel that low that the leverage would drop dramatically. I would like to have seen a real comparison just out of curiosity. No doubt though that the 5.56 needs to be replaced soon because it is basically ineffective in afghanistan because beyond 2 or 3 hundred meters it doesn't frag or tumble. Seen guys hit many times, like 6 or 7 still fighting til they bleed out or run off -.308!!
I have used the 5.56 NATO in many different weapons, and when you hear the theory that many hits on a target is more effective in combat vs. 1 round the logic of weight stupid. The 3-shot burst is recommended with it for a reason, because thats what it can take to drop the enemy, so you carry 3X more rounds! Think about that.
Did you notice that he shot the steel target low with the 5.56, but high with the others? The 5.56 shot higher like the other two rounds would have knocked it down.
you fired the M-4 and the hit on the metal target below the chest area, so the kinetic energy of the bullet is not enough to knock down the target. you then used the grendle.. target hits the upper chest area the target was easily knocked down. ergo... the higher you hit the target the probability of knocking it down is very high.
BIG Bother takes away our weapons so we won't be able to defend ourselves when the terrorists hit our land. HMMM... Having the troops fight for freedom out there while they take away our freedom back here at home. We need to really think about that. What happened to the CONSTITUTION?
@blylz the bill of rights is still upstanding. the laws that specify which kind of guns you can buy are mandated at the state level. the rite to bare arms will never disappear but you will never be able to go out and buy a fully automatic ak-47. That is a civilian security issue. Domestic operations are better left to the National Guard rather than Mr. Smith down the street.
@sgtsimmons135: Sgt. According to "Executive Order", state's rights can and has been usurped by federal law by way of, "national security interests". C'mon now, you seem like you've been around the block a few times. You know this type of thing happens all the time. Most notably within the past 10 years. i.e. the Patriot Act, i.e. All they have to claim is, "National Security" and (((poof))) no more rights. I understand the security reasons BUT there MUST be "checks and balances" as well.
@blylz Excellent point. We're gonna end up like some boring European country before long, who's firearms restrictions are so sever that pretty much the only thing we will be allowed to own is a BB Gun.
Together, let's stand up for our rights! It what made this country great in the first place.
@blylz ever heard the frase without guns the 2nd amendment is useless and without the 2nd amendment the bill of rights is useless honestly if the government does try to take my rights and freedoms from me they will have a fighter on there hands
@blylz BIG Brother wants to take away your weapons so that you dont defend yourself against HIM..the 'terrorists' aren't coming,they were just a props,give up the ghost already.
@JTF2polish Well the M468 is 6.8. But I believe that Swat uses 6.8 because it has more stopping power than the 6.5, but the 6.5 has a vast advantage in regard to range. But that doesn't matter because it's not like swat routinely faces long range threat.
acuracy is not something you can outright purchuse though its the man not the wepon that makes the difference. For example I know one guy in the Canadian army who shots a group about 5-6 inches wide at 800 meters with a 5.56 while most other guys can only shoot 500-600 meteres with it.
This is also the same guy that criticized the M249's open bolt operation for possibly allowing dust into the action, but then praised the LWRC IAC open bolt operation for allowing better ventilation of the barrel. Here we see Mr "Former Navy SEAL Sniper" aim way low with the 5.56 and suddenly regains his accuracy when firing 7.62x39 or the 6.5 Grendel. Seriously, the only real qualification for getting your weapon on Future Weapons is allowing Mac to come shoot things or blow shit up. Rigged...
Good job american fellas... took you 62 years to come up with something that can rival reliability and firepower of the AK-47. (still you have to fuse Grendel's firepower and HK 416 reliability)...
I assume that leverage on those figures is not an issue about bullets power(yeah, I pretend to trust his words)
Is it capable of supporting the 20" barrel of the M16? Coz this would make a great marksman's rifle conversion.. The US should be doing this sorta shit, making thier current M16 rifle even more modular, its ineffective to have hundreds of non-interchangable weapon systems, instead one extremely modular weapon system (being the M16A4/M4/M4A1).
the reason the 5.56 is so good is because when it hits a body it sends a shockwave called hydrophylactic shock (deffinately not typing it right) that larger bullets. the 556 turns your inarder into a smoothie where other larger bullets just blow a hole through you
The "m4" he has is not even a real M4 its an AR15 with a 16 in barrel and when he is shooting the target he is hitting too close to the pivoting point in the target so its not going to go down even if you shot it with a fucking 30-06. I hate future weapons because the host is a damn fraud
You'reright, I should have put" adopted by the US and her allies". I suppose the
MP 44 was developed with expierience from Stalingrad and it aould have been great there.I wonder how it would have done out on the steppes? As it was, the front was back in Poland by the time it was issued.
Its all horses for courses. In mountains and the desert, assault rifles are outmatched by full power rifles beause of the long range visibility. Assault rifles were designed for western Europe or jungle fighting were engagements are most often at under 350 yards.
The big question for the 5.56 is the burst fire switch. They adopted 5.56mm rounds because you could carry twice as many bullets as 7.62mm rounds. But you need the 3 rounds from the burst fire to confirm a kill. 7.62 takes one round. So you use three times as many 5.56 to do the same job.
Ok well what the fuck is the military going to use. They have the 5.56 the 6.8 and now the 6.5. Lets not forget the necessary Beowulf upgrade (if you have a target that requires that round, just use an M203 or get a .50 caliber BMG or Machine gun.
meh, instead of getting more expensive fancy stuff such as the 6.5, I'd rather just buy more 5.56 and have more ammo to shoot. If you want something more powerful, just get a 308.
Actually, the 5.56 has even better stopping power than the 7.62mm round. However the 7.62 has better penetration than the 5.56mm round. The 6.5 has the penetration of an Ak, possibly better, the stopping power and accuracy of a 5.56mm round.
Being in the military myself I can tell you all that the time it takes for a new weapon to be approved to actually being issued will make this weapon completely useless.
My friend knows one of the executive producers of this this show and he told me that when Mack was test firing with the m4, he intentionally shot lower at the target so it won't go down. If he had shot higher it would have gone down for sure. So don't be fooled
wtf we alredy hawe ak - 108(balansed automatic - no recoil) why compare new western weapon sistem whith 47 series? OK why not tayke 17 th centery russian rifle and compai whith m4?
How was the comparison of the AK M4 and Grendel anything close to scientific? Those targets aren't human and have no bearing on how it will perform in the field.
Interesting how the 6.5 hit the target about 12" higher than the 5.56, which is a huge difference in torque. It's not a fair comparison unless all 3 rounds hit the exact same spot on the target.
@clanpsi I don't know if you noticed, but that cinderblock was already cracked that he shot through. You can see it clearly at the 3:43 mark. Haha. But the Grendel is still a pretty nasty rifle.
True. However, the 6.5 IS a bigger round. It's practically twice as big as the .223 round. And that extra mass gives a certain amount of extra kinetic energy.
I don't want to argue about what round is the best because that discussion will probably never end, haha!
@clanpsi the 5.56x45 hits at around 1500 joules, the 7.62 x 39 hits at around 2000 joules, the 6.5 & 6.8 hit at around 2500 joules, the 7.62x 51 hits at around 3000 joules
@Fallout3Follower i dont think so, because the casing is actully much larger for the 6.5 so im guessing there's more grains of gunpowder in that one, but the recoil would roughly be the same based on your assumption
@speakandeducate In all personal preference i like battle rifles better than Assault rifles, mainly the FN FAL, the 7.62NATO cartridge is a good round, but if im gonna use a Regular 5.56 Assault rifle I'll go with a FN SCAR but if i could get my hands on it, i rather have LWRC PSD in 6.8, i think the 6.8 is a better assault rifle cartridge because its gonna leave a bigger entry wound in your target and you can hold more rounds than the 6.5 because the 6.5 has a larger casing
@clanpsi Actually I think he fired three rounds but only one hit the target, look closely you can see only one round impact the metal target, theres no way in hell that all three rounds managed to hit the same spot perfectly.
@darkstararmory Watch the video again. All three rounds from the M-4 are hitting low, but the AK hit's high right and the Grendel hits high center. Now Mac is a former SEAL sniper, as he's so fond of reminding us, so why is he aiming low with the M4, but shooting high with the AK and Grendel giving them extra leverage force on the target? Oh, because if he actually tries to be impartial no one will let him show off their toys on his show and Mac would have to get a real job again.
@Daytonaman675 There isn't a single commercially available loading for the 6.5 Grendel that has more energy then any .308 offering with the exception of really low bullet weight loadings. Only place 6.5 starts to have any really meaningful increase in performance over .308 is past 1000m, and let's face it, there are a lot of other cartridges that are better out there than either 6.5 or .308. Seriously though, 6.5 is meant to replace 5.56, so why compare it to .308 in the first place?
i cant find it on google imagines
OMG90728 1 year ago
Could you guys imagine how much it would cost to change the entire US arsenal's caliber? Man that would be expensive. I wouldn't mind a change but wow, I don't foresee it for a while, not with today's economy anyway.
rambryj 1 year ago
Ok, back in my youth I thought no intermediate round could top a 308, but now I realize that most 6.5's can get hits out to 1000 yards and penetrate on game like dick-sized safari rounds!
So the question is which is best? 6.5 Arisaka, 6.5 Norma, 6.5 Grendal, 6.5 Swede or 6.5 carcano?
I really wanna know how they stack up against each other so I can make the right purchase, I'm guessing the norma but I could be wrong!
dukenukemthreed 1 year ago
he shot the 5.56 low then shot 7.62 high and 6.5 high too.....shoot all of them in the same spot!!!!.....but i like the 6.8 not sayin it's better that's just wat i like
BREAL0922 1 year ago
16 terrorists saw this vid
BigMaMaDawg 1 year ago
wasn't this already on the M468? >_>
besides, this gun doesn't have a gas piston like a LWRC M6A2.
If you ask me, the Bushmaster/Remington ACR is the best gun ever right now.
TheSilentOne50 1 year ago
@TheSilentOne50 guns have wheels.
REVAN2338 1 year ago
@TheSilentOne50 what are you on about? this vid isnt saying the gun is good it didnt even talk about the gun it was all about the 6.5 round
HONORGUARD308 1 year ago
@HONORGUARD308 yeah, what i mean is that they said almost the exact same thing for the 6.8 mm round on the M468 vid.
TheSilentOne50 1 year ago
I think this one is not a very accurate depiction. The grendels bullet hit the target a little more further from the ground than the AK47 round did. AK47 round hit the target somewhere at the center and grendel round somewhere near the "neck". What i am trying to say is, for this type of target the location where it is hit makes a difference. Higher the target is hit from the ground, higher the probability that the target is going to fall, even for a 5.56 caliber bullet.
ssingh52 1 year ago
I would like an AK mod wit the 6.5 round! that would bee realy nice!
But i still think this round will not bee used in large scale in any army! They wont change their wepons and toss away billions of unused ammo!
cskrisz0706 1 year ago
@cskrisz0706 sell the unused ammo to the chinese =)
torogami2 1 year ago
why are these 2 dick smokes almost whispering?
joeratti 1 year ago
The offspring of the ak-47 and the m16. A must have for the zombie apocalypse...:P
MrLazyAzn 1 year ago
Eh, a good shot is far more important than what ammo you use...
The most important factor is placement
Icix1 1 year ago
ballistics info for all the noobie
5.56x45mm 62gr 3100fps 1323ftlbs muzzle 2762fps 1050ftlbs at 100yds
7.62x39mm 123gr 2355fps 1515ftlbs muzzle 2026fps 1121ftlbs at 100yds
6.5 grendel 90gr 2585fps 1336ftlbs muzzle 2281fps 1040ftlbs at 100yds
30-06 spring 147gr 3020fps 2976ftlbs muzzle 2794fps 2548ftlbe at 100yds
knock down potential is dependent on several factors
but no one bullet can do it all nor can any one gun
bringerovdeath 1 year ago
@bringerovdeath Where did you get your data? The Grendel with a 16 inch barrel shoots a 90 grain bullet at 2760 FPS. Once you start running a 120 grain plus on the Grendel, you will clearly see the advantage due to the high BC. I have a source to backup my claim, but do you?
alanpikku 1 year ago
@alanpikku the alexander arms site
bringerovdeath 1 year ago
@bringerovdeath A good link to read about the 6.5 velocity and advantages is the FAQ for specific caliber at ar15.com. I own a 6.5 Grendel and it shoots the 123 grain Lapua at 2600 fps with a BC of 547. I was just trying to clear up any misinterpreted data you listed. Thanks.
alanpikku 1 year ago
he fired the 5.56 lower down on the target therefore giving it less leverage to drop the target with but with the 6.5 he shot higher.
alcosher 1 year ago
HMM. I noticed that too 950rpm. If you were to push on the bottom of those targets, it'd be alot harder to push down than if you were to push it where he shot it with either the AK for Grendell. I think it was staged with the 5.56 to make the Grendell look that much better. I'm not saying that the Grendell isn't amazing or anything, but still... Seems like a hoax to me.
MrGtjake 1 year ago
bill sounds like a brother of russell crowe
LeMike 1 year ago
Yeah, but it's not going to have as much velocity at a further range. So what's the point of comparing it with other weapons at the same distance?
screamindemon6x 1 year ago
awsome....
darkangel08031983 1 year ago
@insanezy lol no you wont
ak47killa8195 1 year ago
are the rumors of misfeeds for the 6.5 true? and i dont think this cartridge is capable of fully automatic fire cant find anything on auto grendels
ak47killa8195 1 year ago
i want that fo Christmas!
ShotaAzZareback 1 year ago
The grendal Is more aerodynamic because it's boattailed. They did that with the aught 6 back in 1903 and discontinued it because it was beyond the safety limits of the ranges. If the US doesn't wanna adopt a new round at least tail the 5.56 and half jacket it for better expansion
Wabaanimkii 1 year ago
bringerovdeath 1 year ago
kill those fucking governors all we need is good ol' fashion lead
fuadali16 1 year ago
5:13
m4 with .556 shot at the most lower base compare to the other 2 targets... talking about kinetic energy? come on .. its simple physics.. lol
bigchaiz 1 year ago
the brick is already semi broken, when he shoots... check out those fissures! 3:42
dunnobutwayne 1 year ago
Great show.
100trueneutral 1 year ago
First, why not use a 6,8 mm? It's also an intermediate round, and packs about the same punch, but has some more availability (SCAR-H, ACR, REC-7), whereas the Grendel is available for ummm... just this gun I think. Haven't seen ammo lying around my local gunshop either, but i did see the 6,8. Second, That block next to the melon is prepped.
aresplaylist 1 year ago
@aresplaylist The 6.5 Grendel is one of those "special" rounds that you have to order from online. You can get a conversion for a ar10 by changing barrels, and by changing the bolt. They also make bolt actions for it. Would have one but do not have enough money. Lol
MsBowhunter95 1 year ago
why the grendel? i thoutht the point of the hk m416 was to give the power of ak with accuracy of m16?
jabzxzxz 1 year ago
6.5 grendal was developed off a russian catridge called the .220 ppc which in turn was developed off the 7.63x39 ammunition. the cartridge is more off a dmr or intermediate sniper catridge. yes it does generate less recoil and is still supersonic at a father range than the 7.62 nato, but think of ammo availability. you would have to get contracts for ammo, upper receivers, magazines, and optic for certain troops. not dissing on the cartridge just giving my opinion and no mean comments please
MsBowhunter95 1 year ago
@MsBowhunter95 no it was by the swedish 6.6
MultiMarcus99 1 year ago
@MultiMarcus99 And where did you get your information from?
MsBowhunter95 1 year ago
@MsBowhunter95 o gpt it from my daddys bolt action rife.and it was the swedish 6,5x55 mm
MultiMarcus99 1 year ago
@MultiMarcus99 and how did you get it off of your fathers bolt action rifle? If you think that because the bullet will fit in side the barrel than you are wrong.
MsBowhunter95 1 year ago
@MsBowhunter95 maybe i think it would but the bolt ation rifle can take more stresses. so they did some few chanches
MultiMarcus99 1 year ago
@MultiMarcus99 I have still yet to receive any of your sources yet. That and your previous comment is not making any sense. Yes blotactions can take some cartridge pressure better. And who did what changes? I am very courious as to where you get your information from. I do not want to be rude here but I believe and it's my opinion that you are confused about this subject that we are attempting to discuss
MsBowhunter95 1 year ago
why you don't use Kalashnikov and save development money ? he do same job
tuerlesrusses 1 year ago
This was actually decided in 1950 by the British .280 cal . Bascially the same as the Grendal, but produced 50 years ago. Unfortunatley the US would not agree....
Xiolablu3 1 year ago
I bet they were fucking around with stuff like this decades ago.Question is,does your country want you to have best weapon??Not ,if wars you are sent into are smoke and mirrors.
checkie4ever 1 year ago
@checkie4ever lol of course. The only reason it's public is because they are working on something even better or something just like but to improve on it..
Hmloki 1 year ago
The grendel wouldn't be the last thing I'd want to face... Don't you think you'd be more shit scared from a .50 weap or Super Magnum?? =/ ... Shit, and that's the tip of things lol
Stealth23Q 1 year ago
@Stealth23Q i would be more scared of a 50 mag
lumpofpaper8 1 year ago
@lumpofpaper8 Lol, or the Barrett XM-109 lol. 25mm round sniped at your arse... Yoowwuch!
Stealth23Q 1 year ago
We couldnt think of this concept 20 yrs ago?
SimonLy90 1 year ago
@SimonLy90 we did 1950 by the British with the .280 cal . basically the same as the above but the US vetoed it as the NATO round and that was the end of that.
assym2006 1 year ago
If he should ever choose another career, then he has a great voice for porn ... if he speaks German - even better!
CapKorzeniowski 1 year ago
Good, except M4's use direct impingment, which sucks compared to Short Stroke.
TaZ101SAGA 1 year ago
@TaZ101SAGA I have piston and DI, all piston does is move the cleaning to the front it still gets messy. Good quality AR with correct lube, DI doesn't care.
Jethro212 1 year ago
anyone going to help the dead guy or are we going to hid him with the metal people that he shot.
dekota94 1 year ago
It's gunna feel the same when it hits you in the face.
RandOProdutions 1 year ago
EPIC FACE CAR!!
SeanMaguire12 1 year ago
@32MoRtAr i have never tried the 6.5 but i rely do like the 6.8
RealinAmerica 1 year ago
that kinda looks like a m4a1 carbine
OMG90728 1 year ago
my classmate said that, if someone still upgrade and uses a gun, m16 for instance, the maker of the original gun will be paid. is that true???
MidnightRedemption 1 year ago
He could of aimed higher with the M4. With the two other rifles he aimed a lot higher. It's like he didn't want the M4 to knock the yarget over.
THE13EARJEW 1 year ago
He aims higher to knock the target over, try to get them all in the same area for the same effect at least.
Soloman1001 1 year ago
put this round in a TAR 21, then it would be the #1 gun
soundwaveprime123 1 year ago
why buy a bigger round usaully in real war you dont see you enemy
sartin7 1 year ago
@sartin7 what drugs you smokin?
famasdan 1 year ago
how stupid, he hit low w/ m4, and high w/ other two guns.
mycaddigo 1 year ago
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@MrHammi17
There is no way to fairly compare the two as one being better than the other. The Grendel 6.5 and Beowulf .500 are monster weapons, the rounds themselves ballistically speaking, outclass the 5.56 and 7.62. But I don't think it will ever totally debunk either one as a viable round.
The HK416, on the other hand, incorporates a revolutionary gas piston system that is far cleaner than the traditional breech recoil operation, as it blows fouling out the front, a la G36 series.
Soddykins 1 year ago
it the guy that built the 50 beowulf bill
garytang182 1 year ago
How reliable is this weapon? Which is better this or the Hk 416?
MrHammi17 1 year ago
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Soddykins 1 year ago
It is luck that soviets chose 7.62 for M43 case , with 6.5mm there would be a lot more dead Americans in Vietnam.
ww2footage 1 year ago
i like the .30 caliber the best.
DJdude250 1 year ago
It seems like the video was a commercial for Grendel, I wonder why they don't think anyone knows if you shot the steel that low that the leverage would drop dramatically. I would like to have seen a real comparison just out of curiosity. No doubt though that the 5.56 needs to be replaced soon because it is basically ineffective in afghanistan because beyond 2 or 3 hundred meters it doesn't frag or tumble. Seen guys hit many times, like 6 or 7 still fighting til they bleed out or run off -.308!!
rrussell39 1 year ago
I have used the 5.56 NATO in many different weapons, and when you hear the theory that many hits on a target is more effective in combat vs. 1 round the logic of weight stupid. The 3-shot burst is recommended with it for a reason, because thats what it can take to drop the enemy, so you carry 3X more rounds! Think about that.
Did you notice that he shot the steel target low with the 5.56, but high with the others? The 5.56 shot higher like the other two rounds would have knocked it down.
rrussell39 1 year ago
lol maybe more he is talking crap, obviously the bigger the ammo the more punch,nothing can replace the ak47 without using the same kind of 7.62 ammo
shermanlee85856 1 year ago
@shermanlee85856 You dont know jack
TheArrowkarts 1 year ago
The skinny white kid from collegehumor could do a great impression of this Future Weapons host. Just sayin'.
Feamsterr 1 year ago
Is the grendal only semi
Apinp18 1 year ago
@Apinp18 nope
dontmakemeMAD1990 1 year ago
you fired the M-4 and the hit on the metal target below the chest area, so the kinetic energy of the bullet is not enough to knock down the target. you then used the grendle.. target hits the upper chest area the target was easily knocked down. ergo... the higher you hit the target the probability of knocking it down is very high.
esoreme 1 year ago
BIG Bother takes away our weapons so we won't be able to defend ourselves when the terrorists hit our land. HMMM... Having the troops fight for freedom out there while they take away our freedom back here at home. We need to really think about that. What happened to the CONSTITUTION?
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Soddykins 1 year ago
@blylz
lol
Tornciti 1 year ago
@blylz 10000 thumbs up
checkie4ever 1 year ago
@blylz the bill of rights is still upstanding. the laws that specify which kind of guns you can buy are mandated at the state level. the rite to bare arms will never disappear but you will never be able to go out and buy a fully automatic ak-47. That is a civilian security issue. Domestic operations are better left to the National Guard rather than Mr. Smith down the street.
sgtsimmons135 1 year ago
@sgtsimmons135: Sgt. According to "Executive Order", state's rights can and has been usurped by federal law by way of, "national security interests". C'mon now, you seem like you've been around the block a few times. You know this type of thing happens all the time. Most notably within the past 10 years. i.e. the Patriot Act, i.e. All they have to claim is, "National Security" and (((poof))) no more rights. I understand the security reasons BUT there MUST be "checks and balances" as well.
blylz 1 year ago
@blylz Obama wiped his ass with it. One Big Ass Mistake America.
RainbowsHaveEyes 1 year ago
@blylz Big brother IS the terrorist.
goldcurrent1 1 year ago
@blylz Excellent point. We're gonna end up like some boring European country before long, who's firearms restrictions are so sever that pretty much the only thing we will be allowed to own is a BB Gun.
Together, let's stand up for our rights! It what made this country great in the first place.
100trueneutral 1 year ago
@blylz ever heard the frase without guns the 2nd amendment is useless and without the 2nd amendment the bill of rights is useless honestly if the government does try to take my rights and freedoms from me they will have a fighter on there hands
insanezy 1 year ago
@blylz BIG Brother wants to take away your weapons so that you dont defend yourself against HIM..the 'terrorists' aren't coming,they were just a props,give up the ghost already.
drfan2004 1 year ago
Bill Alexander is a geniuous when it come's to Balistics, he's designed two different amazing rounds, this and the 50 Beowulf.
oldannyboy37 1 year ago
I bet he's a russian agent.
Chemicalpneumonia 1 year ago
Does anyone know why swat uses the LWRC 6.8 instead of the m468? is it cuz its cheaper?
Cuz they could use an m4 with the 6.5 right?
JTF2polish 1 year ago
@JTF2polish Well the M468 is 6.8. But I believe that Swat uses 6.8 because it has more stopping power than the 6.5, but the 6.5 has a vast advantage in regard to range. But that doesn't matter because it's not like swat routinely faces long range threat.
Fallout3Follower 1 year ago
@Fallout3Follower
SWAT doesn't use 6.8.....
Demo9237 1 year ago
@Demo9237 LA swat does
veldaman 1 year ago
@Demo9237 Yeah they use the LWRC in 5.56 and 6.8 configurations.
Fallout3Follower 1 year ago
what about the barrett m468
jaylogansta7 1 year ago
why does he always say " the last thing they/you/I want to see/face"?
commmmnnnnbbbb 1 year ago
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How does this make me shoot better?
SNUBNOSESAM 1 year ago
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SNUBNOSESAM 1 year ago
How does this make me shoot better?
SNUBNOSESAM 1 year ago
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SNUBNOSESAM 1 year ago
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SNUBNOSESAM 1 year ago
How does this make me shoot better?
SNUBNOSESAM 1 year ago
I like how it's basically an M4 that fires a larger bullet, but the designer just HAD to give it a new name. Attention whore much >_>
Sursion7 1 year ago
acuracy is not something you can outright purchuse though its the man not the wepon that makes the difference. For example I know one guy in the Canadian army who shots a group about 5-6 inches wide at 800 meters with a 5.56 while most other guys can only shoot 500-600 meteres with it.
viper10011 1 year ago
in my opinion, too much slug, too little powder
futurejarhead0311 1 year ago
lol but i didnt see the difference here.
show me the distance difference.
my dad aims the ak47 up to 500 yards,
not worse then the m4
victor070 1 year ago
That Bill guy sounds like the Sniper from Team Fortress 2 hahahahah
uBpGK 1 year ago
This is also the same guy that criticized the M249's open bolt operation for possibly allowing dust into the action, but then praised the LWRC IAC open bolt operation for allowing better ventilation of the barrel. Here we see Mr "Former Navy SEAL Sniper" aim way low with the 5.56 and suddenly regains his accuracy when firing 7.62x39 or the 6.5 Grendel. Seriously, the only real qualification for getting your weapon on Future Weapons is allowing Mac to come shoot things or blow shit up. Rigged...
MrCoffee1976 1 year ago
Good job american fellas... took you 62 years to come up with something that can rival reliability and firepower of the AK-47. (still you have to fuse Grendel's firepower and HK 416 reliability)...
I assume that leverage on those figures is not an issue about bullets power(yeah, I pretend to trust his words)
what else to say.... at last you did it...
Shannariano 1 year ago
i came here just to see a man shoot a gun
dsouzand 1 year ago
famous future weapons with their biast unfair tests
imanonymous93 1 year ago
@imanonymous93 How so?
DrZaius 1 year ago
i dont think the guy at the end was every a threat its a target it dosnt shoot or even move.
halogeekhelpme 1 year ago
I like how he shoots low with the 556 and shoots higher with the other
GlockRtf 1 year ago
Give me a MAGPUL MASADA Bushmaster Adaptive Combat Rifle and mod it to use a 6.5mm Grendel or a 6.8mm SPC. Screw the 5.56x45.
LilATL94 1 year ago
id just take the reliale acr and change some of the parts in order for it to shoot the 6.5
guythatmadethisvideo 1 year ago
I love how they use fake firing sounds..
SupraTompan 1 year ago
Bill...........how original+=
psc0111 1 year ago
well lookz nice too me, but does it work in any terrain??? underwater??? does it rust??? even an 50 years old ak47 can work fine
quangluu96 1 year ago
"sir sir, the bad guy is hiding behind a vehicle. Shall I bring the 6.5 Grendel?" "nah, just bring RPG
1996kostas1996 1 year ago
Is it capable of supporting the 20" barrel of the M16? Coz this would make a great marksman's rifle conversion.. The US should be doing this sorta shit, making thier current M16 rifle even more modular, its ineffective to have hundreds of non-interchangable weapon systems, instead one extremely modular weapon system (being the M16A4/M4/M4A1).
phantomtalon556 1 year ago
the reason the 5.56 is so good is because when it hits a body it sends a shockwave called hydrophylactic shock (deffinately not typing it right) that larger bullets. the 556 turns your inarder into a smoothie where other larger bullets just blow a hole through you
RYDERkN 1 year ago
So its basicly the m16 with a bigger round
punkpainter80 1 year ago
ive seen the 6.5mm fire for myself and i think it should be adopted as our standard assault rifle round
Magnedudewon2 1 year ago
was that an m4 dat fired the 6.5 grendel? can the m4 be customized to fire it?
MFPOSGBCS 1 year ago
@MFPOSGBCS yes it is,using a longer and suitable barrel for 6.5,and a better G-O system that fits for 6.5,not th old 5.56
hardstylestalker 1 year ago
gee that was a fair comparison
kemmis88 1 year ago
Too bad 6.5 doesn't feed well from belts.
MadOgre 1 year ago
If he aimed higher with the 5.56 the target would've gone down. Levers. He proved nothing.
skiesju 1 year ago
2:31 I love how everyones like HIT THE DIRT *open fire* and then the guy is just like walking
DrkxNinja 1 year ago
This show is total gun porn
Me4tsh1eld 1 year ago
how was the doll at the end a threat he had no arms or legs :P
1amar0ck 1 year ago
That was the best milkshake commercial I've ever seen. It makes me want a milkshake.
IshcoolTV 1 year ago
The "m4" he has is not even a real M4 its an AR15 with a 16 in barrel and when he is shooting the target he is hitting too close to the pivoting point in the target so its not going to go down even if you shot it with a fucking 30-06. I hate future weapons because the host is a damn fraud
cryflame 1 year ago
You'reright, I should have put" adopted by the US and her allies". I suppose the
MP 44 was developed with expierience from Stalingrad and it aould have been great there.I wonder how it would have done out on the steppes? As it was, the front was back in Poland by the time it was issued.
SvenTviking 1 year ago
Its all horses for courses. In mountains and the desert, assault rifles are outmatched by full power rifles beause of the long range visibility. Assault rifles were designed for western Europe or jungle fighting were engagements are most often at under 350 yards.
SvenTviking 1 year ago
@SvenTviking the assault rifle was developed for eastern europe
torogami2 1 year ago
The big question for the 5.56 is the burst fire switch. They adopted 5.56mm rounds because you could carry twice as many bullets as 7.62mm rounds. But you need the 3 rounds from the burst fire to confirm a kill. 7.62 takes one round. So you use three times as many 5.56 to do the same job.
SvenTviking 1 year ago
Its all about the bullets baby....
saggatarian 1 year ago
Ok well what the fuck is the military going to use. They have the 5.56 the 6.8 and now the 6.5. Lets not forget the necessary Beowulf upgrade (if you have a target that requires that round, just use an M203 or get a .50 caliber BMG or Machine gun.
andwhatelse 1 year ago
will the military use this anytime?
Plaayboarding 1 year ago
meh, instead of getting more expensive fancy stuff such as the 6.5, I'd rather just buy more 5.56 and have more ammo to shoot. If you want something more powerful, just get a 308.
omegaboostZ 1 year ago
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why is he always whispering??
assmonkey73 1 year ago
Actually, the 5.56 has even better stopping power than the 7.62mm round. However the 7.62 has better penetration than the 5.56mm round. The 6.5 has the penetration of an Ak, possibly better, the stopping power and accuracy of a 5.56mm round.
TheCatholic143 1 year ago
@TheCatholic143 Has anyone fired both the grendel and PSD? I was just wondering which round had a better feel.
victorrain 1 year ago
i can answer his question at the start (what calibur u like for a Assault Rifle) I like
.50cal beowulf
Halo3worldatGTA 1 year ago
OR THAT FIFTY BEOWOLF...MOMY TOLD ME NOT TO PLAY WITH GUNS!!!
TheYanowa 1 year ago
HO YEAAAAAA I WANT ONE OF THOSE BABY!!
TheYanowa 1 year ago
Being in the military myself I can tell you all that the time it takes for a new weapon to be approved to actually being issued will make this weapon completely useless.
Mchermsquatch 1 year ago
I want that!
He101A 1 year ago
My friend knows one of the executive producers of this this show and he told me that when Mack was test firing with the m4, he intentionally shot lower at the target so it won't go down. If he had shot higher it would have gone down for sure. So don't be fooled
savemoneyongas 1 year ago
why did he aim so low with the damn m4?
kinjak2 1 year ago
wtf we alredy hawe ak - 108(balansed automatic - no recoil) why compare new western weapon sistem whith 47 series? OK why not tayke 17 th centery russian rifle and compai whith m4?
InQVIZittoR 1 year ago
niconov calibir...
ferst made in ussr but not go to serial production...
InQVIZittoR 1 year ago
so where can i get this?
BustaMonkey1234 1 year ago
How was the comparison of the AK M4 and Grendel anything close to scientific? Those targets aren't human and have no bearing on how it will perform in the field.
MusaJames 1 year ago
Interesting how the 6.5 hit the target about 12" higher than the 5.56, which is a huge difference in torque. It's not a fair comparison unless all 3 rounds hit the exact same spot on the target.
clanpsi 1 year ago 50
@clanpsi My thought exactly. Looks like a marketing trick?
MCMXCII 1 year ago
@clanpsi I was thinking the same thing Not a fair test, That said I still prefer the 6.5 over the 5.56 anyday.
vince38curious2 1 year ago
@clanpsi I don't know if you noticed, but that cinderblock was already cracked that he shot through. You can see it clearly at the 3:43 mark. Haha. But the Grendel is still a pretty nasty rifle.
bonafidesa 1 year ago
@bonafidesa I don't recall ever mentioning the cinder block.
clanpsi 1 year ago
@clanpsi
True. However, the 6.5 IS a bigger round. It's practically twice as big as the .223 round. And that extra mass gives a certain amount of extra kinetic energy.
I don't want to argue about what round is the best because that discussion will probably never end, haha!
LordAvgasror 1 year ago
@clanpsi the 5.56x45 hits at around 1500 joules, the 7.62 x 39 hits at around 2000 joules, the 6.5 & 6.8 hit at around 2500 joules, the 7.62x 51 hits at around 3000 joules
Umimugo 1 year ago
@Umimugo Honestly I don't care at all. I was just making an observation.
clanpsi 1 year ago
@Umimugo So the 6.5 is probably the best for infantry if this is true, because it would have less recoiil than the 6.8
Fallout3Follower 1 year ago
@Fallout3Follower i dont think so, because the casing is actully much larger for the 6.5 so im guessing there's more grains of gunpowder in that one, but the recoil would roughly be the same based on your assumption
Umimugo 1 year ago
@Umimugo but the 7.62 x 51 and 7.62 x 51R are battle rifle rounds, such used by the famous m14. not a assult rifle round
speakandeducate 1 year ago
@speakandeducate In all personal preference i like battle rifles better than Assault rifles, mainly the FN FAL, the 7.62NATO cartridge is a good round, but if im gonna use a Regular 5.56 Assault rifle I'll go with a FN SCAR but if i could get my hands on it, i rather have LWRC PSD in 6.8, i think the 6.8 is a better assault rifle cartridge because its gonna leave a bigger entry wound in your target and you can hold more rounds than the 6.5 because the 6.5 has a larger casing
Umimugo 1 year ago
@clanpsi Actually I think he fired three rounds but only one hit the target, look closely you can see only one round impact the metal target, theres no way in hell that all three rounds managed to hit the same spot perfectly.
darkstararmory 1 year ago
@darkstararmory Watch the video again. All three rounds from the M-4 are hitting low, but the AK hit's high right and the Grendel hits high center. Now Mac is a former SEAL sniper, as he's so fond of reminding us, so why is he aiming low with the M4, but shooting high with the AK and Grendel giving them extra leverage force on the target? Oh, because if he actually tries to be impartial no one will let him show off their toys on his show and Mac would have to get a real job again.
MrCoffee1976 1 year ago 41
@MrCoffee1976 That sounds like a correct analysis.
tommysch 1 year ago
@MrCoffee1976 they didn't show the best part. With a 6.5 you have more energy past 600meters than a .308. Yup thats right BC is a motherfucker.
Daytonaman675 1 year ago
@Daytonaman675 There isn't a single commercially available loading for the 6.5 Grendel that has more energy then any .308 offering with the exception of really low bullet weight loadings. Only place 6.5 starts to have any really meaningful increase in performance over .308 is past 1000m, and let's face it, there are a lot of other cartridges that are better out there than either 6.5 or .308. Seriously though, 6.5 is meant to replace 5.56, so why compare it to .308 in the first place?
MrCoffee1976 1 year ago
@MrCoffee1976 What are some that are better than the 6.5? The .338, .50, and maybe the .408, but what else?
Fallout3Follower 1 year ago