For me, Gould, despite the speed of his recordings, presents a more factual representation of Bach's structure, and his overall intention of the music. Perahia does an absolutely splendid job of the so called "divinity and spirituality" of the music, and I really admire it, but that might be all he accomplished in my book. Gould however, had an intense affection for the original, and for the real intention Bach had for his music, and in my opinion, that overrides perahia's work.
@pushit234 And how do you know what Bach's intentions were? Amazing how no one else that has ever recorded Bach has been aware of his "intentions" in that no one else sounds like Gould, whose interpretations are unorthodox and unique to him. Secondly, Bach's "intentions" would change, had he access to a modern piano; he always maximized the potential of each instrument. Gould is an exception...and a very unique one, and in that respect, isn't a reliable reference for interpretation.
In the aria, there is a spry and sweet feel to his playing. Very different than many of the other recordings I hear that are far slower - almost laborious. A nice recording. I have Gould, Schiff and Dinnerstein performing - all excellent recordings. I also love the Pierre Hantai videos of these on harpsichord. He bumps right through them with effortless vigor. All in all, a masterwork - and a nice rendition by a great pianist. Is there also a recording with Richard Goode? Just curious.
Of all the Goldberg records I've heard, this is my favorite. A long time ago, I used to think that Bach should be heard on the harpsichord. Perahia, as well as Schiff, has convinced me otherwise. I'm not sure what I was thinking then. The second variation, after the initial aria, is the absolutely most exquisite rendition of that portion I've ever heard.
@Pretendkid Compact disc... compact disc....Ah, yeah! You mean those little shiny discs (about the size of a coaster) they used to sell at Barnes and Noble.
there are so many ornamentations Perahia has put on the piece. Not a huge fan of that, a little too many for me. But am a huge fan of mr. Perahia of course.
More pure and relaxing you can't find much place else than in Bach's music and Perahia interpretation in flawless...thank-you Arganos) for sharing this with the world!
Dit is maar letter luister, as we say is South Africa ;-)
I am constantly baflfed by the love for Gould's deadly slow, utterly un-Aria, unsingable playing of the opening of this, with no singable forward motion whatsoever, and those mechanical sounding ornaments. I want to scream every time I hear it on the radio.
@nohpiano, which version are you talking about? 1981? I agree. A bit too much self-reflecting but he was getting old then. Try listening to his 1955.
Pehraia is undoubltely a good artist, but I think he's far from beeing a "bachian". This interpretetion is actually good, but we still listen to every new Goldberg's recording making a comparison with the Gould's ones, 'cause these are THE recordings of the GV. This occurs with other pieces, like, for example, Michelangeli's Ravel Concerto, Pollini's Chopin Préludes, Richter Rachmaninov 2nd... may be it's a problem for every interpreter, but Gould has still something to say.
I personally prefere by far glenn gould's. By far. This is very well played and beautifull, but Glenn Gould's has something special. I get bored of this interpretation after hearing it a couple of times, and I can't stop listening Glenn Gould's version.
not alda advertising n a world will eve kill the adultaion for Gould's Bach. there are some other wonderful ideas about Bach out there that make one wann a forget Gould.RICHTERrare?!Schiff?Pires!Perahia!Yudina!whowas this fasninating mad woman.Tureck is worth listeningto talk whereI dont trust Gould he becomes dishonest saying this or that according to whim and wanna shock gainattention.Feltsman and fischer honest .There is much to malign about Gould.
It is like Glen Gould but with out all his mumblings.
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Fortunately, somewhere between chance and mystery lies imagination, the only thing that protects our memory, despite the fact that people keep trying to reduce it or kill it off altogether.(RebecccaOfSunnyBrookFarm)
It's so refreshing to hear different perspectives on such a wonderful piece of music. With pieces as commonly done as these variations, it is very easy to emulate master pianists/harpsichordists, and lose one's identity within the piece. It is so wonderful to hear this, so unique and really personal. I love it.
I don't know if it's just all the lore that surrounds him but Gould's performance seems just that little bit more special. I find the arrival of the first variation tame compared to Gould's with his outlandish staccato tone. Having said that I do love Perhia's ornamentation, some of its just friggin delicious lol. I'd kill to get dexterity like that.
Hi. I know my question may sound a bit inadequate but i wanna know if anyoone knows on what instrument Murray Perahia has recorded his cd with Haendel and Scarlatti. i think it might be a pianoforte, not grand piano. DOes anyone know the answer for this question? thanks PS
I admire Murray, i can't help listening to his recordings...i am totally in love with his Haendel's suites ...this is sometthing that keeps me alive in this superficial world...
I have been listening to this cd myriad times and I got the impression that the sound is so soft, like from a different world...I know these arguments may sound childish but this sound is really different from a grand piano.
it's a Steinway. I think it's the his articulation that makes it sound different. He uses much portato (semi-legato). That's how Glenn Gould makes the piano sound like a harpsichord.
I think it has something to do with Murray Perahia's tone. He seems to be one of these masters of tone production, like Richter and Gilels, in the sense that he is able to produce sounds that you described as being otherwordly. All of this has to do with weight placement and finger speed and acceleration and where on the key you strike. I think he's very concious of what he's doing. He seems to view Bach's music as something divine or spiritual, which may account for the "other worldly" quality.
@yogaman13 Wow, good thing his tone is so great then. Otherwise he would completely pale in comparison to the Glenn Gould interpretation of this piece. Oh wait, he still does.
@AccordionTheif Gould is far too fast by comparison (even the later, slower version), and the humming in the background is very distracting. Also, his tone is wooden by comparison, I think. Perhia's tone is wonderful, and his phrasing (which you can actually hear because he doesn't take it too quickly) is beautifully. That goes too for his recordings of the Partitas and the English Suites. The only comparable playing is Pinnock in the partitas on harpsichord.
@TheCeddley This is such a coincidence, considering I was listening to the Perahia interpretation yesterday and I noticed how I enjoyed it much more than the Gould recording. I love Glenn Gould, but I think that his recording of the Golberg Variations are not his best work. Also, I find that somewhat ironic considering that's arguably his most famous work.
I dunno how it happened I wrote my questions here- under Murray's recording of Goldberg variations....what I was referring to was his recording of Haendel's suites....well, a small misunderstanding...:-D I wrote that I listened to this thousands times-- I meant his Haendel's suites...sound of that recordind made me wonder what piano it could be....maybe u know anything about that as well?
Thanks for your reply. I did both recordings: Goldberg and the Handel/Scarlatti. Both are done on regular Steinway D. The Handel was done on a Steinway/Fabrini from Milano in Neumarkt (Germany), the Goldberg-Variations have been recorded in La Chaux-des Fonds (Switzerland) on a Steinway D from London. You should hear the recent Bach Partita releases on Sony Classical (also with Perahia). I think it's the best piano sound (caused by Perahia) you can get in those days.
After reading your reply, I sort of "envied" you....for the fact that you have been there....having the possibilty to listen to Murray :-D Well. if i could choose, I would like to get the chance to listen to Glenn Gould while he was recording. let's say, Bach's partitas )))
i have many favoritepianists in goldberg variations and other bach works for claver. perahia is definitely one of them and has again enriched my bach picture. bach is an inexhaustible source and one can only feel great gratitude to experience these great pianist by the spirits of those masterly interpretations.
My favorite version of Goldberg Variation, Perahia is also my favorite living pianist.
oasis27 1 month ago
@ TheCeddley
When has interpretation (in the musical sense) ever yielded reliability?
pushit234 2 months ago
@TheCeddley
For me, Gould, despite the speed of his recordings, presents a more factual representation of Bach's structure, and his overall intention of the music. Perahia does an absolutely splendid job of the so called "divinity and spirituality" of the music, and I really admire it, but that might be all he accomplished in my book. Gould however, had an intense affection for the original, and for the real intention Bach had for his music, and in my opinion, that overrides perahia's work.
pushit234 5 months ago
@pushit234 And how do you know what Bach's intentions were? Amazing how no one else that has ever recorded Bach has been aware of his "intentions" in that no one else sounds like Gould, whose interpretations are unorthodox and unique to him. Secondly, Bach's "intentions" would change, had he access to a modern piano; he always maximized the potential of each instrument. Gould is an exception...and a very unique one, and in that respect, isn't a reliable reference for interpretation.
bachmaninoff 5 months ago 3
@bachmaninoff Are you offenbachmaninoff, or just occasionally? Allow me to introduce myself; Homer Wolfgang von Shakestoy.
polymath7 1 month ago
In the aria, there is a spry and sweet feel to his playing. Very different than many of the other recordings I hear that are far slower - almost laborious. A nice recording. I have Gould, Schiff and Dinnerstein performing - all excellent recordings. I also love the Pierre Hantai videos of these on harpsichord. He bumps right through them with effortless vigor. All in all, a masterwork - and a nice rendition by a great pianist. Is there also a recording with Richard Goode? Just curious.
danielbillingsley74 5 months ago
Bravo!!!
MrMrMikayel 5 months ago
Of all the Goldberg records I've heard, this is my favorite. A long time ago, I used to think that Bach should be heard on the harpsichord. Perahia, as well as Schiff, has convinced me otherwise. I'm not sure what I was thinking then. The second variation, after the initial aria, is the absolutely most exquisite rendition of that portion I've ever heard.
betelmann 7 months ago 2
ahhh divine, goldberg variations are the sweetest gravy to my longpork
baronblos9 7 months ago
By the 0:10 I was bagged. I'm getting the CD.
Pretendkid 9 months ago
@Pretendkid CD? What on Earth is a CD?
polymath7 1 month ago
@polymath7 "Compact Disc"
Pretendkid 1 month ago
@Pretendkid Compact disc... compact disc....Ah, yeah! You mean those little shiny discs (about the size of a coaster) they used to sell at Barnes and Noble.
polymath7 1 month ago
@polymath7 Well, yeah, because I like having tangible copies of my favourite music
Pretendkid 1 month ago
Man...
Sneaktyp 9 months ago
there are so many ornamentations Perahia has put on the piece. Not a huge fan of that, a little too many for me. But am a huge fan of mr. Perahia of course.
HamerD 11 months ago
bloody amazing
nightlord47 1 year ago
the sonority by Perahia has no match in my humble opinion!!
1gombro 1 year ago
I have to admire anyone who can play the Goldberg variations. This guy is no exception.
Irshkboy 1 year ago
More pure and relaxing you can't find much place else than in Bach's music and Perahia interpretation in flawless...thank-you Arganos) for sharing this with the world!
Dit is maar letter luister, as we say is South Africa ;-)
funkiegemini 1 year ago
This is my favourite interpretation by far. Thank you Murray!!!
Micounnet 1 year ago
great interpretation, but Gould's come's from another unknown world...
humpert 1 year ago
@humpert
"Gould's come's from another unknown world..."
Canada's not unknown - well not totally
lsbrother 1 year ago 4
@lsbrother lol
EMPERORMIKI 1 year ago
Goulds is superior.
Irshkboy 1 year ago
良い響きですね。癒されました!。
rabbittown1900 1 year ago
I am constantly baflfed by the love for Gould's deadly slow, utterly un-Aria, unsingable playing of the opening of this, with no singable forward motion whatsoever, and those mechanical sounding ornaments. I want to scream every time I hear it on the radio.
nohpiano 2 years ago 3
@nohpiano, which version are you talking about? 1981? I agree. A bit too much self-reflecting but he was getting old then. Try listening to his 1955.
angryjalapeno 1 year ago
so what ... don't listen to it then.
EMPERORMIKI 1 year ago
Pehraia is undoubltely a good artist, but I think he's far from beeing a "bachian". This interpretetion is actually good, but we still listen to every new Goldberg's recording making a comparison with the Gould's ones, 'cause these are THE recordings of the GV. This occurs with other pieces, like, for example, Michelangeli's Ravel Concerto, Pollini's Chopin Préludes, Richter Rachmaninov 2nd... may be it's a problem for every interpreter, but Gould has still something to say.
Matteo7419 2 years ago
well in my case I enjoy andreas schiff ,and his recording is my reference not gould's.
but thats just me.
amirmot 2 years ago 2
i agree. If you put on gould after hearing schiff it sounds mechanical and completely unmusical
mikejr41387 1 year ago
I personally prefere by far glenn gould's. By far. This is very well played and beautifull, but Glenn Gould's has something special. I get bored of this interpretation after hearing it a couple of times, and I can't stop listening Glenn Gould's version.
lguerreromeseguer 2 years ago 2
the second recording I mean.
lguerreromeseguer 2 years ago
not alda advertising n a world will eve kill the adultaion for Gould's Bach. there are some other wonderful ideas about Bach out there that make one wann a forget Gould.RICHTERrare?!Schiff?Pires!Perahia!Yudina!whowas this fasninating mad woman.Tureck is worth listeningto talk whereI dont trust Gould he becomes dishonest saying this or that according to whim and wanna shock gainattention.Feltsman and fischer honest .There is much to malign about Gould.
lovesGenet 2 years ago
at midnight, what gorgeous notes to hear
judithorloffmd 2 years ago
Ahhh>>>How close to heaven it must be to have worked with such geniuses. I too am envious...but at least we can enjoy via recording.
jacmac127 2 years ago
Wonderful!!! I bought the CD already.
herrxavier 2 years ago
Brilliant! So precisely, yet delicately played... Perahiah's playing of the Goldberg V's has been my favorite for some time.
uilleannman 2 years ago
Brilliant! My favorite pianist alive. My all-time favorite is Horowitz.
adrct 2 years ago 2
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KorbielowSki 2 years ago
It's Glenn Gould. There are, however, many differences in texture.
davidjb100 2 years ago
It is nothing like John Gould. It is also nothing like Glenn Gould.
Nice double-display of ignorance there, buddy.
faraz1729 2 years ago
@faraz1729
Dear Fa
Yes! You are qutie right.
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It is like Glen Gould but with out all his mumblings.
.
Fortunately, somewhere between chance and mystery lies imagination, the only thing that protects our memory, despite the fact that people keep trying to reduce it or kill it off altogether.(RebecccaOfSunnyBrookFarm)
cheers.
from,
del-boy.
KorbielowSki 2 years ago
I apologize for calling you ignorant earlier. It's hard to differentiate between ignorance and mental disability over the internet.
faraz1729 2 years ago
@faraz1729
Dear Fa.,
Do keep trying to inspite of the difficulties as you mention; remember Reality is the ability to think differences.
.
Cheers.
from,
del-boy.
OohGoshYoureRight 2 years ago
Wow, your English gets worse with each username.
faraz1729 2 years ago
It's so refreshing to hear different perspectives on such a wonderful piece of music. With pieces as commonly done as these variations, it is very easy to emulate master pianists/harpsichordists, and lose one's identity within the piece. It is so wonderful to hear this, so unique and really personal. I love it.
moafisepi 2 years ago 2
I don't know if it's just all the lore that surrounds him but Gould's performance seems just that little bit more special. I find the arrival of the first variation tame compared to Gould's with his outlandish staccato tone. Having said that I do love Perhia's ornamentation, some of its just friggin delicious lol. I'd kill to get dexterity like that.
AutumnRide86 2 years ago 2
Thank's so much for uploading this. I came on a few months back looking for it and was disappointed it wasn't here. Thanks again.
traydb 3 years ago
Hi. I know my question may sound a bit inadequate but i wanna know if anyoone knows on what instrument Murray Perahia has recorded his cd with Haendel and Scarlatti. i think it might be a pianoforte, not grand piano. DOes anyone know the answer for this question? thanks PS
I admire Murray, i can't help listening to his recordings...i am totally in love with his Haendel's suites ...this is sometthing that keeps me alive in this superficial world...
lifeisacrapp 3 years ago
I think it's a Steinway D. May I
ask what makes you think it's not a
concert grand?
beqqer 3 years ago
I have been listening to this cd myriad times and I got the impression that the sound is so soft, like from a different world...I know these arguments may sound childish but this sound is really different from a grand piano.
lifeisacrapp 3 years ago 3
Sorry I can't help you with that, no idea.
Arganos0 3 years ago
it's a Steinway. I think it's the his articulation that makes it sound different. He uses much portato (semi-legato). That's how Glenn Gould makes the piano sound like a harpsichord.
jwang32 2 years ago
Dear jWanggg.,
Didn't you hear all the mumblings on his recordings?
.
cheers.
from,
del-boy.
KorbielowSki 2 years ago
I think it has something to do with Murray Perahia's tone. He seems to be one of these masters of tone production, like Richter and Gilels, in the sense that he is able to produce sounds that you described as being otherwordly. All of this has to do with weight placement and finger speed and acceleration and where on the key you strike. I think he's very concious of what he's doing. He seems to view Bach's music as something divine or spiritual, which may account for the "other worldly" quality.
yogaman13 2 years ago 15
Wow. You know your stuff. Very well said.
UMSHFMOD 2 years ago
@yogaman13 Wow, good thing his tone is so great then. Otherwise he would completely pale in comparison to the Glenn Gould interpretation of this piece. Oh wait, he still does.
AccordionTheif 1 year ago
@AccordionTheif Gould is far too fast by comparison (even the later, slower version), and the humming in the background is very distracting. Also, his tone is wooden by comparison, I think. Perhia's tone is wonderful, and his phrasing (which you can actually hear because he doesn't take it too quickly) is beautifully. That goes too for his recordings of the Partitas and the English Suites. The only comparable playing is Pinnock in the partitas on harpsichord.
TheCeddley 1 year ago
@TheCeddley This is such a coincidence, considering I was listening to the Perahia interpretation yesterday and I noticed how I enjoyed it much more than the Gould recording. I love Glenn Gould, but I think that his recording of the Golberg Variations are not his best work. Also, I find that somewhat ironic considering that's arguably his most famous work.
AccordionTheif 1 year ago
It was a regular Steinway Grand D-model. I did the recording so I remember it quite well.
Regards
Andreas Neubronner
andreasneubronner 2 years ago
Hi Andreas!
I dunno how it happened I wrote my questions here- under Murray's recording of Goldberg variations....what I was referring to was his recording of Haendel's suites....well, a small misunderstanding...:-D I wrote that I listened to this thousands times-- I meant his Haendel's suites...sound of that recordind made me wonder what piano it could be....maybe u know anything about that as well?
Best regards
lifeisacrapp 2 years ago
Thanks for your reply. I did both recordings: Goldberg and the Handel/Scarlatti. Both are done on regular Steinway D. The Handel was done on a Steinway/Fabrini from Milano in Neumarkt (Germany), the Goldberg-Variations have been recorded in La Chaux-des Fonds (Switzerland) on a Steinway D from London. You should hear the recent Bach Partita releases on Sony Classical (also with Perahia). I think it's the best piano sound (caused by Perahia) you can get in those days.
Regards
Andreas Neubronner
andreasneubronner 2 years ago
After reading your reply, I sort of "envied" you....for the fact that you have been there....having the possibilty to listen to Murray :-D Well. if i could choose, I would like to get the chance to listen to Glenn Gould while he was recording. let's say, Bach's partitas )))
lifeisacrapp 2 years ago
i have many favoritepianists in goldberg variations and other bach works for claver. perahia is definitely one of them and has again enriched my bach picture. bach is an inexhaustible source and one can only feel great gratitude to experience these great pianist by the spirits of those masterly interpretations.
ytfavorites 3 years ago 16