If Lucrecia is Sephiroths mom, then wouldn't she also be Aeriths... well if they were still casted as brother and sister. Just if they were, where would Aerith come from?
I swear Lucrecia is a really naïve and dumb person if she actually fell in love with Hojo, or just willingly let him have a child with her, look how much of a maniac he is in this part! What a fatherly figure, no wonder Sephiroth was screwed up in anything but his looks and strength. I hope he raped her, that at least gives Lucrecia a reason to be a bit stupid, in my mind o.o
I keep trying to be mad at Lucrecia, but no matter how I try, it feel's almost like insulting Vincent. every mention of Lucrecia make me feel sorrier for my fellow Libra.
Don't Square Enix know how to render pregnant women? In in this flashback Lucrecia is supposed to be pregnant with Sephiroth right? Unless Sephiorth was born so premature that he didn't even show as a bump in his mums tum. This is just like Lulu's phantom invisible pregnancy from Final Fanatsy X-2.
oh hojo you've sunk to a new low, taking lucrecia's son from her, she was never able to see or hold him but she named him... I still love how lucrecia gave vincent chaos, knowing how powerful chaos is, I understand why she did it, she did it to save his life and she gave him something he can't control on his own that he needed help... but it was indeed hojo who gave vince a nearly indestructable body... but hojo didn't make him this good lookin and even chaos is good lookin
What I read a long time ago is that when Sephiroth was born he was born with black hair but it later changed color probably due to the Jenova cells. I still think Vincent may be Sephiroths father. It would make more sense than it to be Hojo. He looks more like Vincent and Lucrecia anyway.
@lenighma yes its behind a waterfall between nibelheim and the gold saucer... though in the original game, if u had vincent in ur party, all we get to see is a flashback with no dialogues at all. after the flashback, lucrecia asks vincent whether her son (sephiroth) was alive. when vincent tells her he's dead, she fades away.
The only thing I'm sorry about for Lucrecia was that she never got to see Sephiroth when he was young. Huh.
Thank the LORD....DA LAWD...that Sephiroth looks more like a pleasurable mix of Jenova (in humanoid form) and Lucrecia. Thankfully, more like Jenova. If anything, Sephiroth has his mom's hair, but Jenova's color, of course.
Can you get to that cave in the original FFVII? I've...never played the original game...
I knew Vincent wouldn't have much control over Chaos, if any at all. Damn. Doesn't he look awesome at 2:35...??? So...damn...handsome
...So. Vincent was in there for a long time, eh...dead. Really dead, huh...like a bio-organic vampire, or something...
LUCRECIA! Saw the light a bit too late, EH? Knocked up by Hojo and Vincent's dead and THEN you repent?! Then you created a monster!! Great Jon, lady. So then she put the protomateria in him...calmed him down...but how did the others get there?
I don't know whether to be glad to look at the smexy supervillian, or have to watch poor vincent angst ofer a dead b**** who chose the OLD, BAT FRACK INSANE, MAD SCIENTIST over the young, studly vincent. Even though it's just fiction, it still kills my soul. I mean, what kind of choice IS that????
@ShinigamiChick39 Any person who feels inoccent of causing someone's death would be sure not to marry or make a baby with anyone like Hojo. He scares most people O_o his laugh is terrifying.
@ShinigamiChick39 the fact that they *got it on* was the scariest part! If someone has a happy laugh like that...I don't wanna hear the perverted one >.<
my opinion is, sephiroth should be hojo's son, we want to hold on to the original story. but as i say before, square has become so money oriented. they add up more stories, so that people get confuse and demand more explanation. then they (enix) can make another prequel, or sequel, another movie, another novel, or anything. they should stop at FF7... now they ruining the whole story! >< it's okay for me if they make a remake for it, just stop adding more complicated things! i want sakaguchi back
@kikikinglord thanx for the extreme long-assed info gat u could've just explained in a FEW words. I only said what I read on Wikipedia,ya idiotic dummy. >X(
No no no no, hojo already has experimented on vincent, and threw him away like trash as was explained in DOC. The aging process may have been done by him or not but no it was not him. Lucretia experimented on him after that, and put chaos in him. Even hojo did not know what she was doing until he entered her lab, and the way he acted saying "your beloved" proved that she was in love with vincent and probably had sex with him before going to hojo.
@katielashley yes at the end they do show someone working or opening the door at vincent, but it could have been her not giving up and working again. but it is because of lucretia work with choas, and trying to make him survive that he lived. so she probably is the reason he has those non aging immortality even though he worked on vincent, when lucretia got to vincent he was rapidly decaying... so hojo did not do much, and it was lucretia who made him survive and immortal.
@katielashley Those gallan beasts are not because of hojo.... all this stuff came after if he was hojo he would have not been decaying so much all of it was lucretia to save his life. besides why would hojo mess with him after that he may have ruined something or messed with choas, which proves it was not him. Please do not reference the original game because this is the future of the original and it does not count, and we found out hojo worked on him before and lucretia took him after.
@Kikikinglord watch part 8 of this FF7 DOC series and ull clearly hear vincent say are u really gonna use ur child for this experiment...if it was vincent's child he would of sed sumthing like i wont let u use my child for this expiriment...also theres a video on youtube were right b4 cloud fights hojo in FF7 hojo says sephiroth is his son, and that he injected the woman with his child (lucretica) with jenova cells for the expirement (prof gast experiment)...
I am a old school player yes I am... but I am not old. People were putting people down about vincent, but there are lines in thw game that support it. I said them already and he did say he was going to commit another sin if he killed him, yes it could mean anything but guess what it probably did not. Next :D guess what DOC comes out and it is implied that vincents role of being sephiroth dad was jumped up.
It pretty much open ended I can look at it how I want, yet you are trying to force this crap down my throat it does not work like that see. I know the original creator of ff7 intended on doing this with vincent. But he left early on but most of his story and concepts were remade... you think before he left he was not planning dirge or cerberus or the true info on vincent?
One more thing, DOC ending implies his sttory is not over and will have another game. he can have more flash backs, on top of that they can remake ffV but it may take a while to do, you think need added info would not be added and a side quest or addtional story and vincent being a side character optional character will not be removed?
Vincents dad got a widows peak...., please look what this is up, vincent as turk covers his up with his bang, and vincent wears a bandana. Sephiroth has the same widows peak this is a huge genetic trait amongst males in a family, science has proved it, genetics also. hojo and lucretia do not have this, yet he looks like grimeiore/vincent/lucretia. That simply is it concerning him saying your child, he answered he like this, what was her response back, read deeper..
@katielashley after he woke up he went and locked him self in that sleeping chamber.... all of those beasts have something to do with chaos, and he did not add chaos. so yes proto father is all hojo is to spehiroth and vincent, he experimented with beasts on vincent and stuff before lucretia worked on him and that is it.
@katielashley since you are as dumb ass other's vincent is sephiroths father, and hojo is not. Vincent found notes that stated it, retard. A long fucking time ago, it is the reason he confronted hojo, and did you forget? this is the current time line in ffxi. The original game does not count any more, more was added to it. Vincent as a widows peak, grimiore valintine has a widows peak, and sephiroth has one... and spehi looks like vincents dad..... I wonder why?
@katielashley again There are a lot for him being vincent son, and a lot of evidence. Even though hojo said he was his dad.... he is because he created what he is. but the fact that vincent approached her and hojo like this..... then when she fainted and he confronted him and was pissed.... there were rumors that vincent saw the experiment data logs stating in a bio he was vicents child. also remember what lucretia says when he asks her is this what she really wants... it was not..
@katielashley she was mad over the whole incident with vincents dad, and she said if it only was up to her yes, I am ok with it or something. That indicated she was lying.. about something. Hojo was crazy before he shot vincent... she protected him, hojo forced her to do this almost, he was manipulative. and one more time one more time. This is the order of the games VII (ps) Advent children then Dirge of Cerberus which is current in time line, a lot has changed with the creators.
@katielashley alot has changed, vincent was not told to have been worked on by lucretia after hojo right? we leanred mre that she put chaos in him no? th scense in VII concerning vincent and lucretia show a lot, she was with him before hojo and she went to hojo after something. When hojo says sephiroth is his son if got vincent there vincent does this: .......... he leaves an ellipsis this means he saw doubt in what he said and was shocked. He says he is going to commit another sin
@katielashley he says he is gonna commit another sin when going in northern crater or cavern or what ever it is called when going to face sephiroth, only killing sepiroth would cause one reason for him to say this... if he was his biological father. think of hojo as a proto father. One more thing read this page again and watch this movie over and over in out view. One more thing
Grimoire Valentine, he has a widows peak, plus is stature. Vincent and him have the same eyes, vincent has a widows peak as a turk and his bang hides it; he also has it as the current present vincent VII+ vincent it is hidden by his bandana. This bring us to Sephiroth he has a widows peak, lucretia and hojo do not have one, this means it is not genetic from them. This is inherited from males in a family and proof hojo is not his biological father and vincent is.
Sephiroth was never referred to as Hojo's baby: only Lucrecia. Geez, my theories keep getting confuzzled. I've left a different one on almost every video!
exactly he was not nevr refered to as hojo kid, sephi looks just like vincents day.. with some of lucretia features. there only one reason for this... A. vincent dad sperm was used (doubt this since he died, maybe they had some from before?) 2. vincent is the dad and why he spehi looks like his grandpa.
wait...so who's the father of Lecrecia's son?? is it Vincen't father, or Hojo? so Vincent is in love w/ a woman that should be his mothers age?!?! gross! XP i'm begining to dislike this woman the more i know about her!
wrong, lucretia would not have been his mothers age. Vincents dad was wayyyy old. I assume vincents mom died when he was young, and his dad never remarried. because I know his mom was not alive I'd want to see her asking why has her son been missing. But no lucretia is not his age yet she is not that much older than him, they are close in age to each other. his dad was old...
@RinAkurei Yes she had a kid the kid was sephiroth.... you need to play part VII and get a stratagey guide..... do everything in it right. There is a lot in it you can miss vincents limit break reveals lucretias cave... and there is a room that shows you areitths parents was prof gast and the aciennt he hojo and probably vincent dad was experimening with.
Anyway, vincent dad was a proffesor to lucretia.... he was a scientist who she was working with, he was probably better scientist than hojo. She probably had a relationship with him but it probably was a stundent teacher one and hint of a crush one, like maybe the "I wish he was my father" type one. she liked him like a daughter, and he treated her the same way. Vincent looks like his dad, now when you look at his dads picture and face, you can see a old sephiroth right? ok
@RinAkurei nyway, vincent dad was a proffesor to lucretia.... he was a scientist who she was working with, he was probably better scientist than hojo. She probably had a relationship with him but it probably was a stundent teacher one and hint of a crush one, like maybe the "I wish he was my father" type one. she liked him like a daughter, and he treated her the same way. Vincent looks like his dad, now when you look at his dads picture and face, you can see a old sephiroth right?
@RinAkurei she said vincent has his father's eyes , it means she loved him from the beginning "vincent" even if she went with hojo. Anyway, vincent still has a shot of being sephiroths father, and this game proves he still has one. sephiroth eyes look like lucretias too but you need to see how the fathers hair and face was like a old sephiroth, and we know spehiroth is not his kid, more than likely spehiroth is vincents based on what happened in part 21 of this movie
So yeah I hope vincent......... is spehiroths father still but we need confirmation. this movie adds more to the story that it can be that, based on how she reacted with saving his life, and when asking about his seyes and wanting to see her son. we would need confirmation lucretia got with vincent I think they did ever since the orginal ffVII it is just that, not much was delved on. they showed em together even in this could have had sex, until vincent found out she knew his dad
it also depends when vincent was experimented on he looks like he was 21-26 years old, so yeah juding by how old his dad was. and how long he was inside that chamber sleeping it has been 26-27ish years. vincent would be 61 in dirge of ceberus, go back 29-31 years you will have a estimate of vincents real age.
Anyway, vincent dad was a proffesor to lucretia.... he was a scientist who she was working with, he was probably better scientist than hojo. She probably had a relationship with him but it probably was a stundent teacher one and hint of a crush one, like maybe the "I wish he was my father" type one. she liked him like a daughter, and he treated her the same way. Vincent looks like his dad, now when you look at his dads picture and face, you can see a old sephiroth right?
she said vincent has his father's eyes , it means she loved him from the beginning "vincent" even if she went with hojo. Anyway, vincent still has a shot of being sephiroths father, and this game proves he still has one. sephiroth eyes look like lucretias too but you need to see how the fathers hair and face was like a old sephiroth, and we know spehiroth is not his kid, more than likely spehiroth is vincents based on what happened in part 21 of this movie.
if Vincent really is Sephiroth 's dad then that mean he cooperate with Cloud and kill his own son 3 years ago on the Northern Crater in FFVII original right?
it almost at the end of game too so everyone who have cleared the game before probably could remember that
alright some one get me some chains and a metal bat. some one hold that gaylord and tie him up with the chains i'm giong 2 beat the blood out of him, line up every one we'll take turns
1-21 of this movie shows that lucretia was with vincent and had him in her heart before she went to hojo.. hojo then laughs and says "oh so now you are using sense and coming to me" she replies "yes" so yeah vincent and her could have and most likely had sex.. she was with him before.
@ortherworld they probably did... they didn't show much of there romance at all (i wanned to see them kiss! T.T) but how else do you explain why Sephoroth has Vincent's look, and Lucritia's eyes?
@RinAkurei well if you're asking me then .. as for me it's not Hojo's look nor Vincent just Lucrecia
and I think everyone still remember that Cloud and his friends (of course Vincent too) has beat the crap out of Serfiroth before in FFVII... yeah yeah Vincent was just cooperate with Cloud and kick his own son's ass in FFVII nothing 's strange
@ortherworld i thought this was BEFORE FF7? so, ya, Vincent does beat up his son, Sephoroth, in the end. (that is IF vincent is the father-- idk anymore, i'm confuzed)
No in FVII, at the end of the game they go in this last dungeon everyonw goes in, vincent is the last to go in. He stops and says
" I am going to commit another in again". Why would he commit a sin by defeating sephiroth only one reason why he would no? this was not really explained in game guys the creator of VII left I have a feeling depe down he is sephs dad
@Kikikinglord even if u kill sum1 who is bad it is still a sin...i played the game like 1,000 times..an came to the understanding that the father is hojo..an u cant say that u cant refer back to the old game...sayin that jus dosnt make any sense.
listen old old old, part 7 is old, there is no basis for it any more. it is implied that vincent is hsi father he looks nothing like hojo! hojo said this in part 7 but it has been hinted that vincent could still be his father. How would he know if he is the father of sephi if lucretia was being cold to him? use common sense man, DOC is in current time line when you look at the updated scenes there is no point to reference part 7 since it is old.
people have implied that sephiroth is his son, yes in part 7 hojo said this but he didhelp create sephiroth. The logs of the experiment in the mansion say otherwise and why vincent went bat shit on him. even then in part 7 when hojo says that famous line vincent does this
Vincent:........
Listen kid... i have been playing ff for over a decade, you did probably were 5 when this thing first came out. it is not even that good part 6 and 9 kick this things ass,
@Kikikinglord ur rite it is open ended still since they are gonna make more games for ff7...but honestly i still beleive hojo is his father..but hey i guess we goonna find out the real truth soon...o yea an ff7 was my first final fantasy wen i was 17 in 98 a yr after it came out....an i like it betta then 9(which is also one of my fav FFs) im not so sure if i like it betta than 6 cuza the graphixs lol...but the story for six was real gud..but after the world ended...cont
I am a old school player yes I am... but I am not old. People were putting people down about vincent, but there are lines in thw game that support it. I said them already and he did say he was going to commit another sin if he killed him, yes it could mean anything but guess what it probably did not. Next :D guess what DOC comes out and it is implied that vincents role of being sephiroth dad was jumped up.
Lucretia was scared, most likely, or did not care about vincent, momments after she left and ran away from vincent she is miraculously pregnant, I know they did not show vincent and her doing anything but even in ff7 you could tell he was not only her body guard then something happend and she went to hojo. DOC shows why she went to hojo, it was what vincent found out. Then later on she decides to do some experiment because it is HER BODY.... that was her point..
Vincent answered her, and got her response and was shocked but listen, you could tell the way she was hurting from it. so it s safe to assume the kid may have the possibility of being vincents..... all the stuff from aprt 7 and Se trolling us for years and reviving this theory is the problem. Like I said HOJO Is not his dad he worked on him created what he is, he is mroe of a protofather. she asked about grimiories eyes to vincent, says he looks like him, then asks for her son.
So use common sense if she begged for her son it is because he is alive and she had him taken away of course after birth, and most likely has the same eyes at grimiore and vincent the way she wanted to see him and was fighting with hojo, the way vincent was viewing it in a coma, and the response from hojo.... it was not even clear... why do you think so so no one could reallhy here and viincent is under water.
way she treats lucretia and calls her vincens beloved.. makes no sense.. no way a guy can work on his own son like that would be better to do it because he was in spite of it being someone elses?
This was in response to hojo treating lucretia the way he did and calling vincent her beloved...... sephiroth he worked on in spite because it was not his kid
well you have no idea how evill bastard villain could do something like use his own son as experiment subject didn't you
ever heard of father imprisoned his daughter and raped her everday for 27years now? he confesses "I can only hope one day to have a daughter of my own and rape her for 27 years"
this has nothing to do with real life don't be dumb. if pain xIIII wants to say he still thinks, this is that he can.
Orginal final fantasy VII left it open like a book, then advent children came and CC and befoe crisis and DOC.... more is to come I heard that remake will come too. what do they usually do in remakes? change things.
Hojo can be his proto father as he is to vincent as lucretia is to vincent also, hojo worked on vincent when he killed him right in the orginal?
YET IN THE Dirge of ceberus did they show hojo work on him if he did? he says he did but they said it was mainly lucretia that did...... was this present in the orginal?
The orginal does not work here anymore, sequels and prequels came out explaining more in detail. The stuff in Dirge of ceberus can still dictate that hojo is not his bilogical father... why i'll explain in another post.
If they did not show lucretia and hojo, or vincent and lucretia having sex.... How do you know if they did not? See, here is the thing in dirge of ceberus 2 which I bet will come out, or a remake of VII or a part 2 to FVII what ever, we probably will see more vincent flash backs you do realize that vincents story is not over right?
don't you think in this time it too fast to say they have sex without a proof . Doc was created in an unwritten blank page of FFVII story and it doesn't push any of the original story to a lie
I got no problem if the creator confirmed it
as for myself I think Serfiroth was born
with Artificial Insemination or IVF and I got no problem if somebody can't agree with it 'cause it just an assumption without square-enix 's warranty
why make a hidden character so important? if doc2 or a remake happens and they show lucretia and vincent having sex.. and him knowing he is his son... will that be enough orginal is moot at this point.
well point is your logic is flawed otherworld, ;/. even if it was no about vincent you will keep saying this:
" orginal was first and in the orginal none of this really happened" These adjustments to the story came after the original what you say does not matter, vincent can still be sephiroths father. " let me see my son, let me see him just once"! "vincent you know you have you fathers eyes"! "I want to see my son just once"
it could mean it is not his, heard I said it could mean it is not his. she could possibibly had been begging to see his face to see if his eyes are like vincents which in turn were like his fathers who she had a crush on and admired... lucretia was warming up and liked vincent a lot they were practically together a lot, enough time to do it once. then him find she knew his father then she get pissed off cry and say sorry and go for hojo while pregnant.
^^b, PainXIIII has every right to say what he said, VII is old and moot story has changed since then, I could have sworn we did not know lucretia worked on him until dirge of ceberus, are you going to see she did not since in the orginal it said hojo did?
Yes PainXIIII I also thing lucretia and vincent had sex they were together and after all that shit when he found out she worked with his father lucretia has had a break down and left for hojo... she probably was 5 weeks or less and did not notice or maybe she did and she just stayed away from vincent.. maybe hojo knew too.
Hojo(ew) and Lucrecia had Sephiroth, Hojo injected jenova DNA into Lucrecia while she was pregnant with him which is why Sephiroth thinks jenova is his mother, that and Hojo always told him jenova was his mother never once mentioning lucrecias exsistence.
many years has passed while Vincent in his long sleep Sephiroth has grow up without knowing Lucrecia was his mother...he has become the best and the most powerful member of SOLDIER, the elite warriors division of Shinra and rose to the status of celebrity during the war.
I'm really starting to hate the transition "however"
rossker123 1 week ago
Hojo, just please be gone already. Your laughing is starting to make ME go insane.
SapphireMoonWolf 2 weeks ago
at 6:47 to 7:05 is she talking about Sephiroth? Damn Hojo messing with her baby! >:U
KaulitzGuardian 4 weeks ago
If Lucrecia is Sephiroths mom, then wouldn't she also be Aeriths... well if they were still casted as brother and sister. Just if they were, where would Aerith come from?
lemonlime6142 1 month ago
@lemonlime6142 Aerith is a cetra they are not brothers and sisters
renton0915 2 weeks ago
Wow I never realised how annoying hojo's laugh is until now
Tumblles 1 month ago
His Demon form scares me.
Bratzs13 1 month ago
I swear Lucrecia is a really naïve and dumb person if she actually fell in love with Hojo, or just willingly let him have a child with her, look how much of a maniac he is in this part! What a fatherly figure, no wonder Sephiroth was screwed up in anything but his looks and strength. I hope he raped her, that at least gives Lucrecia a reason to be a bit stupid, in my mind o.o
SadisticFruitcake 3 months ago
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pbarrillea 4 months ago
Vincent: Im not looking at you anymore!
summoningmurderur 4 months ago
I keep trying to be mad at Lucrecia, but no matter how I try, it feel's almost like insulting Vincent. every mention of Lucrecia make me feel sorrier for my fellow Libra.
RiseOfTheSeraphim 5 months ago
2:50 KICK HIS ASS, VINCENT!!
zannadoe86 5 months ago
Lucrecia-hmmm, somethings wrong.
Me- you think!?!? Your supposed to be dead! Hop back in that crystal right now young lady! Lol
whitefangjacklondon 5 months ago
i'm glad Sephiroth didn't turn out like Hojo
mariammassey 6 months ago
@mariammassey amen to that!
TwelveWingedDevil 4 months ago
@TwelveWingedDevil gud to know sum1 agrees
mariammassey 4 months ago
@mariammassey imagine if he did... *chill goes down spine*
TwelveWingedDevil 4 months ago
@TwelveWingedDevil ur damn right
mariammassey 4 months ago
@mariammassey but sephiroth become crazy and evil in the end
bella32189 2 months ago
Remember Vincent Connect With Her. Connect with her heart.
sailorsaturnandtruks 6 months ago
does Hojo ever stop laughing?
JacquelynF94 6 months ago
haiz, Lucrecia shouldn't be a scientist. She had a nervous meltdown waaay too often =\
TheAshchronicles 7 months ago
OMG HOJO! Stop laughing... please - throwing arms into the air-
lailaandamy11 7 months ago
It's kinda sad how you never really get to enjoy playing Cloud... or atleast one of the other characters in this game.
AnonymousChavelier 7 months ago
Hojo needs to see a psychiatrist
BlackDragonLT 7 months ago
Am I the only person that can not stand Lucrecia?
XxHeartagramHeavenxX 7 months ago 4
@XxHeartagramHeavenxX no i hate her so fucking much
hhal3y 6 months ago
Hojo, go die. In a corner. With rats. And the souls of everyone you ever tortured screaming in your ears. It would make a lot of people happy.
Jaypelt53ph1r07h 8 months ago 4
That Lucrecia chick is one tradgic-ass character.
Shipoopiism 8 months ago
5:30.... Damn.... Sounds like she's bein raped or something....
MeikaLuv1 8 months ago
Don't Square Enix know how to render pregnant women? In in this flashback Lucrecia is supposed to be pregnant with Sephiroth right? Unless Sephiorth was born so premature that he didn't even show as a bump in his mums tum. This is just like Lulu's phantom invisible pregnancy from Final Fanatsy X-2.
X23Ninja 9 months ago 3
@X23Ninja if youre like.... one/two months pregnant it doesnt show (too much) yet :P
beforeTHEmomentGIRL 9 months ago 3
Anyone ever notice that the loli chick in the cast-iron training bra has feet that are longer than her calves?
Eldeecue 9 months ago
Tentacles+Girl=Hentai
TheByrdWhoLovesRock 9 months ago 4
oh hojo you've sunk to a new low, taking lucrecia's son from her, she was never able to see or hold him but she named him... I still love how lucrecia gave vincent chaos, knowing how powerful chaos is, I understand why she did it, she did it to save his life and she gave him something he can't control on his own that he needed help... but it was indeed hojo who gave vince a nearly indestructable body... but hojo didn't make him this good lookin and even chaos is good lookin
raeven1212 10 months ago
god i love the CG scenes! <3
iXheartXjapan 10 months ago
I hate her sooo much!! Freaking, crazy b.. woman!
UchihaDedere 11 months ago
damn it I always wanted to kill hojo and torchure him
bella32189 11 months ago
@bella32189 How can you torture him if you killed him first? :)
Karuminu 9 months ago
@Karuminu I tortured him first then I kill hum using JIGSAW TRAP
bella32189 2 months ago
The Light
KdHeartsXFinFantasy 11 months ago
Hojo could of stated that Sep was his son. He's crazy, plus he didn't know is Lucrecia did get it on with vince or not.
It's possible that he didn't know that Seperoth wasn't his son.
CastlePokemetroid 11 months ago
What I read a long time ago is that when Sephiroth was born he was born with black hair but it later changed color probably due to the Jenova cells. I still think Vincent may be Sephiroths father. It would make more sense than it to be Hojo. He looks more like Vincent and Lucrecia anyway.
Onizuma13 11 months ago
@lenighma yes its behind a waterfall between nibelheim and the gold saucer... though in the original game, if u had vincent in ur party, all we get to see is a flashback with no dialogues at all. after the flashback, lucrecia asks vincent whether her son (sephiroth) was alive. when vincent tells her he's dead, she fades away.
inherentinsanity 1 year ago
is lucrecia dead or not
TheEpicCh0sen1 1 year ago 3
@TheEpicCh0sen1 no she isn't dead she can't die because of the jenova cells won't let her die she's frozen in a crystal
raeven1212 10 months ago
The only thing I'm sorry about for Lucrecia was that she never got to see Sephiroth when he was young. Huh.
Thank the LORD....DA LAWD...that Sephiroth looks more like a pleasurable mix of Jenova (in humanoid form) and Lucrecia. Thankfully, more like Jenova. If anything, Sephiroth has his mom's hair, but Jenova's color, of course.
Can you get to that cave in the original FFVII? I've...never played the original game...
Lenighma 1 year ago 29
@Lenighma No you dont get the pleasure of destorying her corpse in the game :(
iYoutubinNow 5 months ago
I knew Vincent wouldn't have much control over Chaos, if any at all. Damn. Doesn't he look awesome at 2:35...??? So...damn...handsome
...So. Vincent was in there for a long time, eh...dead. Really dead, huh...like a bio-organic vampire, or something...
LUCRECIA! Saw the light a bit too late, EH? Knocked up by Hojo and Vincent's dead and THEN you repent?! Then you created a monster!! Great Jon, lady. So then she put the protomateria in him...calmed him down...but how did the others get there?
Lenighma 1 year ago 9
I feel sorry for poor Weiss. Being forced to stab your brother by some crazy psycho must have been awful.
MrHolymoleyguacamole 1 year ago 3
0_o why is she so happy about fading away???
RawrCutie101 1 year ago
lolz, y is every scientist in ff either crazy or missing sum important limb (ie. and eye and arm >_>)
Faifan123 1 year ago
FU HOJO JUST STOP LAUGHING AND DIE!
findyourresolve 1 year ago
WTF?
FFXASFAN1 1 year ago
Hojo needs to stfu... -_-...
heyxjealousyy 1 year ago 7
SHRIVELED OLD PRUNE+ STUPID LADY WHO LIKES OLD MEN=.........Sephiroth?
ShinigamiChick39 1 year ago 75
@ShinigamiChick39
I don't know whether to be glad to look at the smexy supervillian, or have to watch poor vincent angst ofer a dead b**** who chose the OLD, BAT FRACK INSANE, MAD SCIENTIST over the young, studly vincent. Even though it's just fiction, it still kills my soul. I mean, what kind of choice IS that????
erm...yeah. rant over, lol
WhatALovelyDisaster 1 year ago 5
@ShinigamiChick39 Some how, that's what happened. Shocking, isn't it?
Espadaknight4 1 year ago
@Espadaknight4 Yes, it IS quite Traumatic....... *SQUARE ENIX, YOUR CHOICE OF PAIRINGS ARE AWFUL!*
ShinigamiChick39 1 year ago
@ShinigamiChick39 just some. Think of the good ones that square made like :Venqua Sokai Rokunami Rokushion. Lucrecia and hojo was so terrifying!
Espadaknight4 1 year ago
@Espadaknight4 hmm, good point... but srsly, why all the major age differences on some pairings?
ShinigamiChick39 1 year ago
@ShinigamiChick39 I don't know. Maybe to give a variety of pairings or to make sure that every fan can like one of the couples or something...?
Espadaknight4 1 year ago
@Espadaknight4 pwhahahaha! Maybe, but i am definitley sure that i am not going to marry an old pimp.
ShinigamiChick39 1 year ago
@ShinigamiChick39 Any person who feels inoccent of causing someone's death would be sure not to marry or make a baby with anyone like Hojo. He scares most people O_o his laugh is terrifying.
Espadaknight4 1 year ago
@Espadaknight4 agreed, his laugh sends chills. and GAG, don't remind me of HOW hojo and lucrecia....*got it on*....ewwwww.
ShinigamiChick39 1 year ago
@ShinigamiChick39 the fact that they *got it on* was the scariest part! If someone has a happy laugh like that...I don't wanna hear the perverted one >.<
Espadaknight4 1 year ago
@Espadaknight4 ditto. i'm already shivering!
ShinigamiChick39 1 year ago
@ShinigamiChick39 I feel bad for people who know his voice actor, they hear Hojo all the time! Tell him a joke, here comes the creepy laugh!
Espadaknight4 1 year ago
@Espadaknight4
Hojo's voice actor is not as creepy in real life. Look up Paul Eiding.
kayla1993elmo 1 year ago
@ShinigamiChick39 I agree with you some of the final fantasy couple were awful seymour=ugly
tidus=ugly
snow=ugly
bella32189 2 months ago
@bella32189 Oh you are sooo speaking my language!!! At least I am not the only one who sees them as UGLY T^T Thank you for having actual eyes!!
Lashante727 2 months ago
@ShinigamiChick39 after the experiments he got a makeover xD im sure
beforeTHEmomentGIRL 9 months ago
@beforeTHEmomentGIRL yes, thats the answer. you are PURE GENIUS!!!!
ShinigamiChick39 1 month ago
@ShinigamiChick39 Damn it made very hot sexiness...O_O
Lashante727 2 months ago
@Lashante727 yes, more like EXTREME SEXINESS!
ShinigamiChick39 1 month ago
hojo i hate u shut up dont laugh like that
GirlMusicVideoMaker 1 year ago 6
GOD HOJO STOP LAUGHING!!! ITS ANNOYIN DA FUCK OUTTA ME!!!!!
xxxilovecupcakes1 1 year ago 2
my opinion is, sephiroth should be hojo's son, we want to hold on to the original story. but as i say before, square has become so money oriented. they add up more stories, so that people get confuse and demand more explanation. then they (enix) can make another prequel, or sequel, another movie, another novel, or anything. they should stop at FF7... now they ruining the whole story! >< it's okay for me if they make a remake for it, just stop adding more complicated things! i want sakaguchi back
megot1388 1 year ago
Lucrecia you daft bitch...
adamski148 1 year ago
@kikikinglord thanx for the extreme long-assed info gat u could've just explained in a FEW words. I only said what I read on Wikipedia,ya idiotic dummy. >X(
katielashley 1 year ago
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shatta54321 1 year ago
the bitch made her choice when she gave sephiroth up for scinece, so its her own damn fault that she didnt get to see him afterward.
dragonessflight 1 year ago
After Lucrecia was done, Hojo then experimented on him (Vince), hence the Gallian Beast and the non-aging...maybe his immortality too...
katielashley 1 year ago
@katielashley
No no no no, hojo already has experimented on vincent, and threw him away like trash as was explained in DOC. The aging process may have been done by him or not but no it was not him. Lucretia experimented on him after that, and put chaos in him. Even hojo did not know what she was doing until he entered her lab, and the way he acted saying "your beloved" proved that she was in love with vincent and probably had sex with him before going to hojo.
Kikikinglord 1 year ago
@katielashley yes at the end they do show someone working or opening the door at vincent, but it could have been her not giving up and working again. but it is because of lucretia work with choas, and trying to make him survive that he lived. so she probably is the reason he has those non aging immortality even though he worked on vincent, when lucretia got to vincent he was rapidly decaying... so hojo did not do much, and it was lucretia who made him survive and immortal.
Kikikinglord 1 year ago
@katielashley Those gallan beasts are not because of hojo.... all this stuff came after if he was hojo he would have not been decaying so much all of it was lucretia to save his life. besides why would hojo mess with him after that he may have ruined something or messed with choas, which proves it was not him. Please do not reference the original game because this is the future of the original and it does not count, and we found out hojo worked on him before and lucretia took him after.
Kikikinglord 1 year ago
@Kikikinglord watch part 8 of this FF7 DOC series and ull clearly hear vincent say are u really gonna use ur child for this experiment...if it was vincent's child he would of sed sumthing like i wont let u use my child for this expiriment...also theres a video on youtube were right b4 cloud fights hojo in FF7 hojo says sephiroth is his son, and that he injected the woman with his child (lucretica) with jenova cells for the expirement (prof gast experiment)...
shatta54321 1 year ago
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@shatta54321
I am a old school player yes I am... but I am not old. People were putting people down about vincent, but there are lines in thw game that support it. I said them already and he did say he was going to commit another sin if he killed him, yes it could mean anything but guess what it probably did not. Next :D guess what DOC comes out and it is implied that vincents role of being sephiroth dad was jumped up.
Kikikinglord 1 year ago
@shatta54321
It pretty much open ended I can look at it how I want, yet you are trying to force this crap down my throat it does not work like that see. I know the original creator of ff7 intended on doing this with vincent. But he left early on but most of his story and concepts were remade... you think before he left he was not planning dirge or cerberus or the true info on vincent?
Kikikinglord 1 year ago
@shatta54321
One more thing, DOC ending implies his sttory is not over and will have another game. he can have more flash backs, on top of that they can remake ffV but it may take a while to do, you think need added info would not be added and a side quest or addtional story and vincent being a side character optional character will not be removed?
Kikikinglord 1 year ago
@shatta54321
Vincents dad got a widows peak...., please look what this is up, vincent as turk covers his up with his bang, and vincent wears a bandana. Sephiroth has the same widows peak this is a huge genetic trait amongst males in a family, science has proved it, genetics also. hojo and lucretia do not have this, yet he looks like grimeiore/vincent/lucretia. That simply is it concerning him saying your child, he answered he like this, what was her response back, read deeper..
Kikikinglord 1 year ago
@katielashley after he woke up he went and locked him self in that sleeping chamber.... all of those beasts have something to do with chaos, and he did not add chaos. so yes proto father is all hojo is to spehiroth and vincent, he experimented with beasts on vincent and stuff before lucretia worked on him and that is it.
Kikikinglord 1 year ago
Vince and Seph are NOT related. Hojo even said in the ORIGINAL that Sephiroth is HIS son...
katielashley 1 year ago
@katielashley since you are as dumb ass other's vincent is sephiroths father, and hojo is not. Vincent found notes that stated it, retard. A long fucking time ago, it is the reason he confronted hojo, and did you forget? this is the current time line in ffxi. The original game does not count any more, more was added to it. Vincent as a widows peak, grimiore valintine has a widows peak, and sephiroth has one... and spehi looks like vincents dad..... I wonder why?
Kikikinglord 1 year ago
@katielashley again There are a lot for him being vincent son, and a lot of evidence. Even though hojo said he was his dad.... he is because he created what he is. but the fact that vincent approached her and hojo like this..... then when she fainted and he confronted him and was pissed.... there were rumors that vincent saw the experiment data logs stating in a bio he was vicents child. also remember what lucretia says when he asks her is this what she really wants... it was not..
Kikikinglord 1 year ago
@katielashley she was mad over the whole incident with vincents dad, and she said if it only was up to her yes, I am ok with it or something. That indicated she was lying.. about something. Hojo was crazy before he shot vincent... she protected him, hojo forced her to do this almost, he was manipulative. and one more time one more time. This is the order of the games VII (ps) Advent children then Dirge of Cerberus which is current in time line, a lot has changed with the creators.
Kikikinglord 1 year ago
@katielashley alot has changed, vincent was not told to have been worked on by lucretia after hojo right? we leanred mre that she put chaos in him no? th scense in VII concerning vincent and lucretia show a lot, she was with him before hojo and she went to hojo after something. When hojo says sephiroth is his son if got vincent there vincent does this: .......... he leaves an ellipsis this means he saw doubt in what he said and was shocked. He says he is going to commit another sin
Kikikinglord 1 year ago
@katielashley he says he is gonna commit another sin when going in northern crater or cavern or what ever it is called when going to face sephiroth, only killing sepiroth would cause one reason for him to say this... if he was his biological father. think of hojo as a proto father. One more thing read this page again and watch this movie over and over in out view. One more thing
Kikikinglord 1 year ago
@katielashley
Grimoire Valentine, he has a widows peak, plus is stature. Vincent and him have the same eyes, vincent has a widows peak as a turk and his bang hides it; he also has it as the current present vincent VII+ vincent it is hidden by his bandana. This bring us to Sephiroth he has a widows peak, lucretia and hojo do not have one, this means it is not genetic from them. This is inherited from males in a family and proof hojo is not his biological father and vincent is.
Kikikinglord 1 year ago
So how exactly did Dr. Crescent bring out Chaos in vincent when he was still in the tube?
Malthria 1 year ago
@Malthria
she and grimoire I had choas when they went to the gave she intergated him in vincents body I assume?
then used that materia as a control/heart to subdue chaos for vincent.
Kikikinglord 1 year ago
2:54 Nananananananana
BATMAN!!!
oh god...where did that come from?
Well, I just ruined the moment
pugglies 1 year ago
hojo = insane muthafukingassholefaggotsonofabitchfwhofuckedhismom
yugiohchampion97zxx 1 year ago
whatever the fuck shes uses to tie up her hair does not look good at all
BHNZsam 1 year ago
oh! i haven't played the game, it's thanks to VicentvalintineFVII that i'm able to watch them movie like! lol
i guess i WILL have to play the game anyway, to make sense of the whole story line.
you forgot to mention who the father was...
RinAkurei 1 year ago
@RinAkurei
Play final fantasy VII for PSx use an emulator you will understand it all after
Kikikinglord 1 year ago
Sephiroth was never referred to as Hojo's baby: only Lucrecia. Geez, my theories keep getting confuzzled. I've left a different one on almost every video!
personifyingowned 1 year ago
@personifyingowned
exactly he was not nevr refered to as hojo kid, sephi looks just like vincents day.. with some of lucretia features. there only one reason for this... A. vincent dad sperm was used (doubt this since he died, maybe they had some from before?) 2. vincent is the dad and why he spehi looks like his grandpa.
Kikikinglord 1 year ago
wait...so who's the father of Lecrecia's son?? is it Vincen't father, or Hojo? so Vincent is in love w/ a woman that should be his mothers age?!?! gross! XP i'm begining to dislike this woman the more i know about her!
RinAkurei 1 year ago
@RinAkurei
wrong, lucretia would not have been his mothers age. Vincents dad was wayyyy old. I assume vincents mom died when he was young, and his dad never remarried. because I know his mom was not alive I'd want to see her asking why has her son been missing. But no lucretia is not his age yet she is not that much older than him, they are close in age to each other. his dad was old...
Kikikinglord 1 year ago
@Kikikinglord But she was with vincent's DAD right? or was she with Hojo? did she have a kid, and who was the father? (and she liked Vincent <3 )
RinAkurei 1 year ago
@RinAkurei Yes she had a kid the kid was sephiroth.... you need to play part VII and get a stratagey guide..... do everything in it right. There is a lot in it you can miss vincents limit break reveals lucretias cave... and there is a room that shows you areitths parents was prof gast and the aciennt he hojo and probably vincent dad was experimening with.
Kikikinglord 1 year ago
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Anyway, vincent dad was a proffesor to lucretia.... he was a scientist who she was working with, he was probably better scientist than hojo. She probably had a relationship with him but it probably was a stundent teacher one and hint of a crush one, like maybe the "I wish he was my father" type one. she liked him like a daughter, and he treated her the same way. Vincent looks like his dad, now when you look at his dads picture and face, you can see a old sephiroth right? ok
Kikikinglord 1 year ago
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@RinAkurei nyway, vincent dad was a proffesor to lucretia.... he was a scientist who she was working with, he was probably better scientist than hojo. She probably had a relationship with him but it probably was a stundent teacher one and hint of a crush one, like maybe the "I wish he was my father" type one. she liked him like a daughter, and he treated her the same way. Vincent looks like his dad, now when you look at his dads picture and face, you can see a old sephiroth right?
Kikikinglord 1 year ago
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@RinAkurei she said vincent has his father's eyes , it means she loved him from the beginning "vincent" even if she went with hojo. Anyway, vincent still has a shot of being sephiroths father, and this game proves he still has one. sephiroth eyes look like lucretias too but you need to see how the fathers hair and face was like a old sephiroth, and we know spehiroth is not his kid, more than likely spehiroth is vincents based on what happened in part 21 of this movie
Kikikinglord 1 year ago
@RinAkurei
So yeah I hope vincent......... is spehiroths father still but we need confirmation. this movie adds more to the story that it can be that, based on how she reacted with saving his life, and when asking about his seyes and wanting to see her son. we would need confirmation lucretia got with vincent I think they did ever since the orginal ffVII it is just that, not much was delved on. they showed em together even in this could have had sex, until vincent found out she knew his dad
Kikikinglord 1 year ago
@RinAkurei
I rather the sephiroth be vincent's sperm, or vincent's dads sperm. more leaning towards the first than the latter.
Kikikinglord 1 year ago
@RinAkurei
it also depends when vincent was experimented on he looks like he was 21-26 years old, so yeah juding by how old his dad was. and how long he was inside that chamber sleeping it has been 26-27ish years. vincent would be 61 in dirge of ceberus, go back 29-31 years you will have a estimate of vincents real age.
Kikikinglord 1 year ago
@Kikikinglord
Anyway, vincent dad was a proffesor to lucretia.... he was a scientist who she was working with, he was probably better scientist than hojo. She probably had a relationship with him but it probably was a stundent teacher one and hint of a crush one, like maybe the "I wish he was my father" type one. she liked him like a daughter, and he treated her the same way. Vincent looks like his dad, now when you look at his dads picture and face, you can see a old sephiroth right?
Kikikinglord 1 year ago
@Kikikinglord
she said vincent has his father's eyes , it means she loved him from the beginning "vincent" even if she went with hojo. Anyway, vincent still has a shot of being sephiroths father, and this game proves he still has one. sephiroth eyes look like lucretias too but you need to see how the fathers hair and face was like a old sephiroth, and we know spehiroth is not his kid, more than likely spehiroth is vincents based on what happened in part 21 of this movie.
Kikikinglord 1 year ago
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RinAkurei 1 year ago
4:00 jeez shut up hojo xD
MrAznPillow 1 year ago
god those scientists got up to some freaky shit
s13bladegirl 1 year ago 39
@s13bladegirl Well, I definitely know what I WON'T be when I finish my vocational training at the university...
Karuminu 9 months ago
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now I guess no one gonna come and say it eh?
if Vincent really is Sephiroth 's dad then that mean he cooperate with Cloud and kill his own son 3 years ago on the Northern Crater in FFVII original right?
it almost at the end of game too so everyone who have cleared the game before probably could remember that
ortherworld 2 years ago
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ortherworld 2 years ago
alright some one get me some chains and a metal bat. some one hold that gaylord and tie him up with the chains i'm giong 2 beat the blood out of him, line up every one we'll take turns
KapuistheAlphafemale 2 years ago
@KapuistheAlphafemale I am in I always wanted to torture that son of a bitch hojo
bella32189 2 months ago
1-21 of this movie shows that lucretia was with vincent and had him in her heart before she went to hojo.. hojo then laughs and says "oh so now you are using sense and coming to me" she replies "yes" so yeah vincent and her could have and most likely had sex.. she was with him before.
Kikikinglord 2 years ago
sorry Vincent and lucretia never had Sex
they didn't even Kiss yet
ortherworld 2 years ago
@ortherworld they probably did... they didn't show much of there romance at all (i wanned to see them kiss! T.T) but how else do you explain why Sephoroth has Vincent's look, and Lucritia's eyes?
RinAkurei 1 year ago
@RinAkurei well if you're asking me then .. as for me it's not Hojo's look nor Vincent just Lucrecia
and I think everyone still remember that Cloud and his friends (of course Vincent too) has beat the crap out of Serfiroth before in FFVII... yeah yeah Vincent was just cooperate with Cloud and kick his own son's ass in FFVII nothing 's strange
ortherworld 1 year ago
@ortherworld i thought this was BEFORE FF7? so, ya, Vincent does beat up his son, Sephoroth, in the end. (that is IF vincent is the father-- idk anymore, i'm confuzed)
RinAkurei 1 year ago
@RinAkurei
No in FVII, at the end of the game they go in this last dungeon everyonw goes in, vincent is the last to go in. He stops and says
" I am going to commit another in again". Why would he commit a sin by defeating sephiroth only one reason why he would no? this was not really explained in game guys the creator of VII left I have a feeling depe down he is sephs dad
Kikikinglord 1 year ago
@Kikikinglord even if u kill sum1 who is bad it is still a sin...i played the game like 1,000 times..an came to the understanding that the father is hojo..an u cant say that u cant refer back to the old game...sayin that jus dosnt make any sense.
shatta54321 1 year ago 3
@shatta54321
listen old old old, part 7 is old, there is no basis for it any more. it is implied that vincent is hsi father he looks nothing like hojo! hojo said this in part 7 but it has been hinted that vincent could still be his father. How would he know if he is the father of sephi if lucretia was being cold to him? use common sense man, DOC is in current time line when you look at the updated scenes there is no point to reference part 7 since it is old.
Kikikinglord 1 year ago
@shatta54321
people have implied that sephiroth is his son, yes in part 7 hojo said this but he didhelp create sephiroth. The logs of the experiment in the mansion say otherwise and why vincent went bat shit on him. even then in part 7 when hojo says that famous line vincent does this
Vincent:........
Listen kid... i have been playing ff for over a decade, you did probably were 5 when this thing first came out. it is not even that good part 6 and 9 kick this things ass,
Kikikinglord 1 year ago
@Kikikinglord ur rite it is open ended still since they are gonna make more games for ff7...but honestly i still beleive hojo is his father..but hey i guess we goonna find out the real truth soon...o yea an ff7 was my first final fantasy wen i was 17 in 98 a yr after it came out....an i like it betta then 9(which is also one of my fav FFs) im not so sure if i like it betta than 6 cuza the graphixs lol...but the story for six was real gud..but after the world ended...cont
shatta54321 1 year ago
@Kikikinglord i cudnt figure out wut to do lmao...but 7 is ma fav an i played it over an over till i was like 21 lol
shatta54321 1 year ago
@shatta54321
I am a old school player yes I am... but I am not old. People were putting people down about vincent, but there are lines in thw game that support it. I said them already and he did say he was going to commit another sin if he killed him, yes it could mean anything but guess what it probably did not. Next :D guess what DOC comes out and it is implied that vincents role of being sephiroth dad was jumped up.
Kikikinglord 1 year ago
@shatta54321
Lucretia was scared, most likely, or did not care about vincent, momments after she left and ran away from vincent she is miraculously pregnant, I know they did not show vincent and her doing anything but even in ff7 you could tell he was not only her body guard then something happend and she went to hojo. DOC shows why she went to hojo, it was what vincent found out. Then later on she decides to do some experiment because it is HER BODY.... that was her point..
Kikikinglord 1 year ago
@shatta54321
Vincent answered her, and got her response and was shocked but listen, you could tell the way she was hurting from it. so it s safe to assume the kid may have the possibility of being vincents..... all the stuff from aprt 7 and Se trolling us for years and reviving this theory is the problem. Like I said HOJO Is not his dad he worked on him created what he is, he is mroe of a protofather. she asked about grimiories eyes to vincent, says he looks like him, then asks for her son.
Kikikinglord 1 year ago
@shatta54321
So use common sense if she begged for her son it is because he is alive and she had him taken away of course after birth, and most likely has the same eyes at grimiore and vincent the way she wanted to see him and was fighting with hojo, the way vincent was viewing it in a coma, and the response from hojo.... it was not even clear... why do you think so so no one could reallhy here and viincent is under water.
Kikikinglord 1 year ago
@RinAkurei
" I am going to commit another sin"
Kikikinglord 1 year ago
way she treats lucretia and calls her vincens beloved.. makes no sense.. no way a guy can work on his own son like that would be better to do it because he was in spite of it being someone elses?
Kikikinglord 2 years ago
This was in response to hojo treating lucretia the way he did and calling vincent her beloved...... sephiroth he worked on in spite because it was not his kid
Kikikinglord 2 years ago
well you have no idea how evill bastard villain could do something like use his own son as experiment subject didn't you
ever heard of father imprisoned his daughter and raped her everday for 27years now? he confesses "I can only hope one day to have a daughter of my own and rape her for 27 years"
if not you better check the new
ortherworld 2 years ago
this has nothing to do with real life don't be dumb. if pain xIIII wants to say he still thinks, this is that he can.
Orginal final fantasy VII left it open like a book, then advent children came and CC and befoe crisis and DOC.... more is to come I heard that remake will come too. what do they usually do in remakes? change things.
Hojo can be his proto father as he is to vincent as lucretia is to vincent also, hojo worked on vincent when he killed him right in the orginal?
Kikikinglord 2 years ago
don't be a fool
my point is it was a nature of those scum
got it no?
ortherworld 2 years ago
YET IN THE Dirge of ceberus did they show hojo work on him if he did? he says he did but they said it was mainly lucretia that did...... was this present in the orginal?
The orginal does not work here anymore, sequels and prequels came out explaining more in detail. The stuff in Dirge of ceberus can still dictate that hojo is not his bilogical father... why i'll explain in another post.
Kikikinglord 2 years ago
If they did not show lucretia and hojo, or vincent and lucretia having sex.... How do you know if they did not? See, here is the thing in dirge of ceberus 2 which I bet will come out, or a remake of VII or a part 2 to FVII what ever, we probably will see more vincent flash backs you do realize that vincents story is not over right?
Kikikinglord 2 years ago
don't you think in this time it too fast to say they have sex without a proof . Doc was created in an unwritten blank page of FFVII story and it doesn't push any of the original story to a lie
I got no problem if the creator confirmed it
as for myself I think Serfiroth was born
with Artificial Insemination or IVF and I got no problem if somebody can't agree with it 'cause it just an assumption without square-enix 's warranty
ortherworld 2 years ago
I think so too as long as he is not hojo's.... still hope he was smart to use the turk body guard sperm or even vincents dads...
Kikikinglord 1 year ago
why make a hidden character so important? if doc2 or a remake happens and they show lucretia and vincent having sex.. and him knowing he is his son... will that be enough orginal is moot at this point.
Kikikinglord 2 years ago
well point is your logic is flawed otherworld, ;/. even if it was no about vincent you will keep saying this:
" orginal was first and in the orginal none of this really happened" These adjustments to the story came after the original what you say does not matter, vincent can still be sephiroths father. " let me see my son, let me see him just once"! "vincent you know you have you fathers eyes"! "I want to see my son just once"
Why did she not saw I want to see our baby, hojo.
Kikikinglord 2 years ago
because this time she is not in love with Hojo anymore
"I want to see our baby" was something that only used with a person that you still accept him as your lover
If your husband turn into evil person and done a ton of bad stuff with you and your son
would you still want to say "I want to see our baby ,my dear Hojo etc."?
ortherworld 2 years ago
it could mean it is not his, heard I said it could mean it is not his. she could possibibly had been begging to see his face to see if his eyes are like vincents which in turn were like his fathers who she had a crush on and admired... lucretia was warming up and liked vincent a lot they were practically together a lot, enough time to do it once. then him find she knew his father then she get pissed off cry and say sorry and go for hojo while pregnant.
Kikikinglord 2 years ago
that is it
Kikikinglord 2 years ago
^^b, PainXIIII has every right to say what he said, VII is old and moot story has changed since then, I could have sworn we did not know lucretia worked on him until dirge of ceberus, are you going to see she did not since in the orginal it said hojo did?
Kikikinglord 2 years ago
when it came from just your assumption at least put "I think" , "I believe" , "I guess" in those sentence
ortherworld 2 years ago
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ortherworld 2 years ago
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anyway Kikikinglord let just stop our prolonged moot here shall we?
I guess other users probably start to feel annoying with our endless-like reply now
when DOC2 or 3 come we will see with our eye that it is true or not
ortherworld 2 years ago
Yes PainXIIII I also thing lucretia and vincent had sex they were together and after all that shit when he found out she worked with his father lucretia has had a break down and left for hojo... she probably was 5 weeks or less and did not notice or maybe she did and she just stayed away from vincent.. maybe hojo knew too.
Kikikinglord 2 years ago
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quote from sillystreet567 (8 months ago)
Hojo(ew) and Lucrecia had Sephiroth, Hojo injected jenova DNA into Lucrecia while she was pregnant with him which is why Sephiroth thinks jenova is his mother, that and Hojo always told him jenova was his mother never once mentioning lucrecias exsistence.
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many years has passed while Vincent in his long sleep Sephiroth has grow up without knowing Lucrecia was his mother...he has become the best and the most powerful member of SOLDIER, the elite warriors division of Shinra and rose to the status of celebrity during the war.
ortherworld 2 years ago