Kobe: 333-808 (41%) < his teammates 1041-2161 (48%)
And given the fact that for his CAREER he's:
37-97 (38%) in Game 7's
38-108 (35%) in 5 title clinching games
and has shot 40% or LOWER in 5 finals, only avg's 21ppg 1apg on 36% shooting in ELIMINATION GAMES, while his teams only have a 8-9 record, sorry..but his rings are MORE of a reflection of consistently having great talent around him, to CARRY HIM in their biggest games...
@3:24 gotcha..Kobe's trying to be Jordan by sticking his tongue out..give him more than 6 championships 6 mvps and compare the stats then he'll be better than Michael Jordan..
Awards, accolades that really doesnt mean anything to me. Stats don't really mean much to me either. In terms of skill, leadership, NBA IQ. MJ and Kobe are 1 and two all time, MJ first and kobe second. If I had a team, i would want MJ and Kobe. The others players wouldn't matter.
skills i'll say kb has them, but leadership & NBA IQ, he's pretty low on that list. top 3 would be bird,magic,& mj, i'll use bird as an example that guy was slow & unathletic yet he made every1 around him better by battling ppl 4 a rebound, setting up his teamates w/ amazing no look passes,diving 4 lose balls,not giving up an easy layup. that's setting an example 4 his teammates & leadership. magic & jordan played the same way.
want an example of how kb doesn't have a high basketball iq, watch the video "kobe vs zone defense". the guy talks about how they double kobe, but 2 me it's like they're not grabing him why doesn't he just move away from the double. he just stands there asking 4 the ball, jordan would face that as well, but he would move away from it.
Jordan vs. Kobe? Kobe is an all time great, but that's not close. Jordan beats Kobe in not only stats, but accomplishments, honors, mvps, finals mvps, DPOY awards, records, rings, and impact on the game, not to mention MJ destroys Kobe in terms of playoff performance, was far more clutch, and never lost a finals, going 6-6. Kobe top 15-20 all time, Jordan is the GOAT.
Yes kobe snatched jordans swag, but you can't take away the fact like jordan he is talented, highly skilled, and plays hurt! In my eyes kobe is a better offensive player but it remains to be seen that he is better overall!
@blackadam06 if you had michael jordan and another michael jordan and you put them in two different teams one in this era and one in the old era who would you say is better even though they are the same but the other one is just in a different situation think about it cause we can't even compare that unless if they both were to play a one on one thats what this is i don't know why people claim someone is better when they don't have prove good prove stats or awards don't count
Bullshit!! This is a CLASSIC example of someone trying to level the field in order to make a more "favorable" comparison for their guy because they DON'T have the "individual" credentials to even BEGIN to compare to the other guy.
Awards are given for one's literal play! Stats are LITERALLY the consistent on-court RESULTS of that player's level of skill/talent! Great stats & great skill go hand-in-hand, U CANNOT separate them! They're a reflection of each other!
And for all of your nonsensical talk of MJ being in various situations/eras, wasn't it just 7 yrs ago, that a 39-40 yr old, past his prime MJ, under today's def rules & vs this era of players, put up avg's that are virtually IDENTICAL to kobe's CAREER avg's in just 2 yrs of play? Wasn't it a 40 yr old MJ in '03, that LED ALL GUARDS in ppg & FG% (28ppg on 48%) in "home" games?
Do I REALLY need to list what he did vs today's guys that are considered "elite"? Quite while you're ahead kid..
There isn't anything U or any other kobe homer can point to, save for a few "situational" accomplishments here & there from kobe, that MJ didn't consistently do to a much higher rate of efficiency, save for 3-pt shooting, which kobe SLIGHTLY has the edge in the reg season ONLY, but in the playoffs & finals where it matters the MOST, MJ has the OBVIOUS edge, and that can be PROVEN!
@blackadam06 im not but to do that because ppl dont do the same shit as others. i can say kobe dropped 81, i can say he set the nba 3-pt record.. he never outscored a team by his self through 3 quarters. mj has the edge over players from his era not over kobe.
Kobe has MORE MISSES & 239 LESS pts than MJ for his career in the finals. In fact, he only needs 97 more misses to become the All Time leader in missed playoff shots..
MJ: 5987 pts in 7,474 career playoff mins
KB: 5052 pts in 7,811 career playoff mins
He's ALREADY played MORE career playoff mins than MJ, and would STILL have LESS playoff pts than MJ, even if he scored 81 pts 10 times IN A ROW!
@blackadam06 see thats why i did'nt want to tell you wat mj didnt do, some ppl just live to post their stats and shit. jordan is better statistically but kobe is better skill-wise. i don't give a fuck about their stats because they didnt play each other in the playoffs. you're trying to compare them, all i did was tell you the video is not compare stats and accomplishments but play styles yet you're still posting stats. come on man, show love for the game.
Nobody who's supposed to be "more skilled" at something than the next guy, will consistently fair WORSE at it than him, especially if he's currently playing in a era where the rules have been changed to FAVOR guys like him!!
Do U know how fuckin DUMB U sound?!!
So the alleged better skilled player (kobe) just consistently goes out & puts up inferior production in the reg season, playoffs & finals than the person he's supposed to be "more skilled" than?!!
U damn kobe homers seem to think that your opinions (or someone else) about MJ & kobe's level of skill, is what DEFINES it, but not what they consistently did/does on the floor regarding the areas you're critiquing them in!
And you're ALWAYS trying to separate their stats from their level of skill, which is bogus! Imagine if I said Shaq's a better FT shooter than kobe, and oh BTW, don't go by the stats, because he's more skilled at it LOL!!
Why did Phil also say that BJ Armstrong & H. Grant were the BEST PG & PF in the NBA in '93 & '94? So because he said it, that makes it true? No! We ALL KNOW that's a goddamn lie!
Nobody's opinion (even phil's) of a player's skill is more credible than what a player consistently DOES on the floor! And U just keep showing how much U DON'T know about MJ's career!
MJ around '93, relied MAINLY on his jump shot, and during the 2nd 3-peat, was PRIMARILY a mid range jumpshooter!
MJ played ALL of '98 with a cracked knuckle & torn ligament on the index finger of his shooting hand, causing him to have his WORST shooting season at the time, and STILL shot 47%, which is BETTER than ANY season from kobe!
"in mj's era zone was illegal"
SMH..like I said, U kobe homers are ignorant as fuck
"Last season, Jordan had to [overcome] the harassment of [zone traps] and [double & triple teaming] to win the scoring title by averaging 37.1 points a game"
"[Zones] were also used [frequently] [before] they were [legalized] as well. One example, the 80s Celtics were known [users] of it and always got away with it. These are the same Celtics Jordan destroyed from an individual standpoint."
-- NY Times, Feb 29, 2009
"Perhaps the biggest confusion of all was the [tougher] illegal-defense rule to [combat zone defenses.]"
-- Rod Thorn; "The Sports of times; combating handchecks the world over"; Nov 6, 1994
And kobe DID play against the defensive rules MJ played his ENTIRE career under, for the 1st 8 yrs of his career! But how'd he do?
Kobe B4 the defensive rules changed
561 games - 21.77 ppg on 42.2 FG%
Kobe after the changes
350+ games - 31.75 ppg on 46.4 FG%
It's not a coincidence that after the defensive rules changed, the # of wing players in the Top 10 in scoring, JUMPED from 3 to 11, and they had a 23% INCREASE in scoring & a 4% INCREASE in FG% LOL!!
Does his count? Yes, does it make that claim more valid? No, Especially since ALL of the facts and objective evidence invalidates it.
Imagine if I said that BJ Armstrong was the "best" point guard in the NBA in '93, and that Horace Grant was the "best" power forward in the league in '94. Well that's EXACTLY what he actually said about them LOL!!
Just because he's a coach & actually said that, doesn't make his opinion fact, but TOO MANY of y'all take it as such, and will IGNORE the facts.
@blackadam06 ...okay but since he coached these players that were talking about now .....not horace and bj.........and he watched both of them in games and in PRACTICE(were you and i did not see them) ...you would think he knows what he talking about......the fact is if anybody should kno it would be phil
SMH..again, you're STILL trying to remove the facts, and insert opinions in place of 'em. Phil's made NUMEROUS claims about players that have NO MERIT, but U guys regard his comments as law.
He told Charles Oakley on the old Reggie Miller show (remember that awful show? LOL!!) that he thought H. Grant was better than him at rebounding, and when Oak pointed out that Horace NEVER had a season avg'n more rebs than him, he just smiled & grinned.
@blackadam06 ... his comments are not law ....you just have to respect them..... i admit you do have to weed out the bullshyt (he is the zen master) he likes to play mind games but in that statment there is no need 4 mind gamesPLUS i dont think buddy finished the quote i belive phil said "kobe had better skillsbut mj had more natural talent"
If someone is more skilled at something than the next guy, then U should be able to SHOW where they've consistently faired better at it. Look at his consistent production in the "skilled facets" of the game vs MJ's, and tell me what U find.
I find that MJ consistently produced BETTER results in these areas, so again, are U defining his skill by an opinion of that skill, or by his consistent on-court production, which is the result of his play?
@blackadam06.smh...your reading his statement wrong..
as you said once said KOBE steals(studies) the moves of great players before him...although his favorite player waz magic he had to watch or study(steal as you call it) the move of mj b/c their body type and style of play were similar..mj waz b4 his time he is the best no one really to look up too (as much) NATURAL TALENT... kobe has to work at it harder and still is not OVERALL better but yet has develop better kills in the process
U can't be "more skilled" at something than the next guy, if U consistently fair WORSE at it than him, hard work put in or not. That's retarded!
One's level of skill at ANY facet of the game, is DEFINED by the consistently good or bad on-court RESULTS in the areas we're critiquing them in, which comes via their play, not by our opinions of that skill, which is what U kobe fans keep trying to define it by..
That's like me saying pippen was more skilled at FT shooting than MJ & ignoring the facts.
Pippen worked HARD at becoming a 70% FT shooter because when he came in, he was ATROCIOUS from there, but because he worked at it to improve, yet STILL consistently faired WORSE at it than MJ, does that mean he's "more skilled" at it than MJ, despite NEVER consistently fairing better at it?
No!! Of course not! But this is the kinda WARPED logic U kobe fans try to apply to kobe's shortcomings vs MJ..
@blackadam06 .......ahhh I SEE now your a stat man......you dont see the intangables....you cant reli compare stats b/c they are playing in two different eras......which is why MJ is said to be AHEAD OF HIS TIME yes he is the best of all time and no kobe wont be able to top that but he is the best thingsince mj left
It's not as simple as just a mere stat, but that's where one's level of skill is ALWAYS consistently reflected, no matter HOW HARD kobe's fans try to get around that. There's nothing intangible about it.
If he's "more skilled" at something than MJ, it'll ALWAYS show up there. And the different eras comment works against kobe, because he now plays in a era where the defensive rules have ADMITTEDLY been changed to FAVOR guys like him, and STILL doesn't consistently put up better #'s than MJ..
@blackadam06 ...back then zone waz illegal 4 a long time we already know kobe is the best player 2 on 1(haha) in the nba now.....not to mention the players that there playing against are different (bigger stronger faster etc (majority wize))
YES I DO ADMIT they played a rougher back then but MJ is the reason why they call so many small fouls nowhe waz already the best so the reffs gave him hella calls thats why he #8 all time in free throw attempts
"[Zones] were also used [frequently] before they were [legalized] as well. One example, the 80s Celtics were known [users] of it & always got away with it. These are the same Celtics Jordan destroyed from an individual standpoint."
-- NY Times, Feb 29, 2009
"Perhaps the biggest confusion of all was the [tougher] illegal-defense rule to [combat zone defenses.]"
-- NY Times; "The Sports of times; combating handchecks the world over", Nov 6, 1994
@blackadam06 ... dats 1 team... the point is kobe and mj played in two different eras there both great players mj is the best of all time.....and by the time kobe retires "he will be the 2nd best to ever play the game"
The article says: "[One example], the 80s Celtics.." It didn't say, that was the ONLY team that ran it! Versions of Zone 'D have ALWAYS been apart of the NBA! The league just merely legalized it!
"Last season, Jordan had to [overcome] the harassment of [zone traps] and [double & triple teaming] to win the scoring title by averaging 37.1 points a game"
@blackadam06 mj best of all time... kobeis the best thing since mj left....theres no stat that can this isnt true no matter how hard you kobe haters try u dont have to like him u just gotta respect him ..... which brings us back to why this is even a videop and why they asked phil jackson in the 1st place....over and out
He hasn't been the best player in the league since '07. If you're looking at his ring count, that's a TEAM accomplishment, not a gauge for individual ability, skill or talent.
"u just gotta respect him"
I do, I just don't respect his ignorant ass fans who constantly OVERRATE him in comparisons.
U dummies crack me up with "Trying" to insenuate one doesn't have one because they posted some comments on here.
If that's the case, U don't live up to your OWN bogus standard of ya idiot..
That's TYPICAL of posters like yourself..when U can't refute what the other guy is saying, U try & insult him or WORSE, imply they doesn't have "a life" to mask the fact that you're incompetent regarding a subject matter U have no business trying to debate to begin with..
I don't know why someone gave you the thumbs down. Agree or disagree your point is at least articulate and isn't flatout incoherant bias. Anyways, I thought the bizarro superman comment was funny, lol. I think Kobe is very close in terms of skill and athletic talent to Jordan. Mentally, I do think he's quite different. Kobe is not nearly as likable as Jordan, although he has done beetter with his teammates recently.
If you watch Spike Lee's Documentary on Kobe, you get a whole new perspective on how much Kobe really is a team player now. He's really formed into a leader
"I think Kobe is very close in terms of skill and athletic talent to Jordan"
Then U thought WRONG..
In terms of skill, he can't be "as skilled" as MJ when he consistently fairs WORSE than him in the "skilled facets" of the game. One's consistent on-court production in the "skilled facets" is the gauge of their level of skill in that area of play.
And as far as athletic ability, U CLEARLY didn't see MJ circa 1986-93 to believe kobe's "close" to MJ in that regards. Now U sound like a fool..
@blackadam06 ....aye man your jus a pure kobe hater ...i am a kobe fan ...AND YES i kno kobe will never be better than mike....but he is the CLOSEST THING TO MJ THE NBA HAS SEEN...this is why they make the comparison this the only reason this video is even posted...dnt care where you got kobe ranked all time when hes done he will be right behind mike
Everytime y'all can't invalidate what the other guy's saying, it's "oh..you're just hating..you're a hater"..do y'all know how childish that bullshit sounds?!! How the fuck is it hating if what's being said is a FACT & can verified?!!
And no dumb ass, the ONLY reason guys like yourself compare him to MJ, is because of his "style" of play, which he ADMITS to copying from MJ! He even got his damn nickname from the Air Jordan XIX's (the black mambas) LOL!!
@blackadam06 ...this is sad since your telling me to grow up ....this must mean your hella old.... you frown upon me calling you a hater but then turn around and call me a homer(which is a word you most likely made up) everbody from nba analysts to former players compare mj and kobe so what is your point in saying "guys like yourself".... you have your opinon let others have theres ... your saying mj is the best we all kno this but since he left kobe has been the next best thing period
what sum body slapp this NIGGA, you dont know shit about b-ball wade is only good with in 17 feet of the basket, wade cannot i repeat cannot make a 25 footer for the WIN the man can slash to the basket but he is no pure shooter, LIKE KOBE 5 FINALS APPEARANCES, 3 NBA TITLES, 1 MVP SHOULD BE THREE (FUCK STEVE NASH), AND ONE AWESOME GOLD MEDAL YOU KNOW THAT ONE WADE & JAMES LOST THE ARGENTINA, A 81 POINT GAME, KOBE IS THE NEXT JORDAN.... GO LAKERS
@xMikeDezzyx421 im glad somebody else knows kobe should have more mvps....the 1st one i think the nba gave it to nash b/c of kobe off the court actions which is wron but whatever....BUT THE 2ND TIME THEY GAVE IT TO NASH WAZ A SLAP,PUNCH AND SPIT IN THE FACE OF KOBE
Jordan is waaayyyy better than Kobe... try the NBA finals versus the celtics blowing 2 20-point leads..one of them at home..and then losing by 40 in an elimination game... Jordan always went down with a battle when he lost.... how about blowing a 3-1 series lead against the Suns and not wanting to shoot the ball at all in the second half against the leagues worst defense... Kobe still my boy though but he ain't no Jordan...
good one dude kobe clearly the better man plus kobe hasnt been around as long as mj dude u can fight wit me all long as u want but kobe is the better man and y do i think tht its cause im a huge lakers fan. KOBE THE BETTER MAN
Kobe clearly better? lol, how so? Compare first 12 years in the league, Jordan destroys him in stats, accomplishments, accolades, records, and rings. Not close. Seriously man, wake up and learn your nba history.
Kobe is the greatest in his era. Jordan was the best in his era. Period. Let Kobe be Kobe. Stop hating. He's the best player and we are lucky to see him play.
I wanna see what you bitches will say for the next couple of years when Lakers dominat the NBA. Just watch.
is it True? that Kobe, PAU, ODOM and the Lakers won by "39 Points" in the 2008 NBA CHAMPIONSHIP over the Boston Celtics? i have to watch the replay :))
even when Jordan didn't have a good team he led the league in scoring multiple times (10 to be exact) as a rookie with a terrible team he finished 3rd in scoring, best rebounder on the team, best passer on the team, best defender. Kobe hasn't won defensive player of the league nor lead the league in steals and points. Also, when Jordan was played at point guard in 1990, it took him like three starts before he had a triple double
Like the dude said jordan had a great team the reason why is that the way jordan played the style the creativeness caught onto his team mates thats why Jordan>All
"There is no such thing as a perfect basketball player, and I don't believe there is only one greatest player either. Everyone plays in different eras. I built my talents on the shoulders of someone else's talent. I believe greatness is an evolutionary process that changes and evolves era to era. Without Julius Erving, David Thompson, Walter Davis, and Elgin Baylor there would never have been a Michael Jordan. I evolved from them."
Yes we all Know tht Michael Jordan is the best ball player of all times but i don't care what u say i still think that Kobe is a grate player .so just stop comparing them there both phenomenal player let them be them selves
nowadays you have to have 2 offensive threats. its a combination of defense getting better in the elite teams and the league becoming tougher when it comes to calling defensive fouls. you could compare the dominant center that shaq was to the combination of pippen and outside shooting that the bulls had. when you throw rodman in the mix...forget it. rodman got them so many 2nd chance points and defensive boards its ridiculous thats not pointed out in the bulls dominence.
see what you dont get is that shaq wouldnt have won those 3 without kobe either. the offense may in large part have been run thorugh shaq.. however what you fail to remember is that kobe and shaq would trade off on scoring night in night out, they were both number one. not a sidekick and lead man. Jordan had amazing role players. and in those days the inside out game was rediculously dominant against almost every team, hence jordans interior mastery. they had no answer for that back then
If u remember SHAQ went to the finals with Orlando and Miami where he won and of course everyone is going to say well he had D.Wade which again was the #2 man. Shaq was the man in Orlando,LAand Miami. He is at the end of his carreer now with PHX but don't count them out. When Shaq left both teams went to shit!Same with MJ when he left the Bulls they haven't won a title since. So yes ,Shaq was Batman and Kobe was Robin. Just like Mj and scottie.
of course not what r replying about i was just stating that Shaq was the man in Orlando,LA and Miami. People got it backwards saying shaq won because Kobe was their but if u notice Shaq went to the finals with every team except of course PHX. If everyone would notice that all the teams after Shaq left went nowhere and Kobe needed Gasol for them to get to the finals.
I agree with you. Shaq can improve a team too much because he is fast, big, strong, and skilled(not mention his free throw). In his best years, I can't even say MJ had the biggest impact to his team in the NBA. Because all teams have Shaq all play very well from 93 to 2005. It's nothing to argue about. Shaq would be far more important than Kobe if he was still in his best condition and he was in Lakers today.
I still believe Shaq is better than Wilt. They all use their physical advantage
They are both great players But Kobe's 3 championships have come off the back of Shaq. When Kobe wins a championship without Shaq then u might start talking who is better. MJ has won 6 championships with no dominating center and a bunch of role players.
yes shaq is a big reason why they won but MJ didnt just have role players...what about dennis rodman(who grabs way more rebounds then shaq ever has), scottie pippen (who was averageing over 20 points a game in most of his seasons in chicago), toni kukoc, ron harper(even though his stats dropped as soon as he got to chicago) but still i just wanted to prove that the bulls werent just a bunch of role players like allen iverson had on the sixers
Rodman?No offensive threat,defensive player and rebounder.Pippen hardly drew double teams.Shaq avg what rodman rebounded and scored almost 30ppg in the playoffs.Shaq demanded a double or triple team in his prime.Which took alot of pressure off Kobe he just had to go 1 on 1.The others just waited for the pass out from shaq.Shaq did the samething in Miami.they just had to knock down the open jumper.Where Jordan was the guy getting double and tripled.Kobe is finding what is is to be like Mike now!
ye i agree with all that but in rodmans prime he was averageing in the 15 to 18 range in rebounds and shaq in the 11 to 13 range if you just look at there stats you will notice the difference
blade2166 Thats what I've been saying also but good point. Jordan should have won 1 or 2 more but I still believe winning 6 in that era was harder than Russell winning 11 rings in that era for sure!!!; no question about it. And Jabbar won 6 Titles but I'd rather have Jordan than Jabbar.
much tougher???Now you can even defend with 2 hands on the attacker...
There are some players that go to the basket and dont even try to make a shot they just jump and wait for a foul or a contact inside that stupid area..(D.WADE)
god!, stop comparing them 2, jordan is over and hes a legendary player and kobe is a legend too but he still can do better than any1...all legend have same moves even jordan tried to copy the reverse dunk from wilkins
Detroit piston 87-90 lakers 81-90 NY kincks 90's Boston celtics....this teams will give you a bruises and brocken bones...now we have hand check foul and d Wade type of fouls common bigger may be but tougher i dont think so....
@dallas021
Oh really?
Kobe vs his teammates in career finals FG%
Kobe: 333-808 (41%) < his teammates 1041-2161 (48%)
And given the fact that for his CAREER he's:
37-97 (38%) in Game 7's
38-108 (35%) in 5 title clinching games
and has shot 40% or LOWER in 5 finals, only avg's 21ppg 1apg on 36% shooting in ELIMINATION GAMES, while his teams only have a 8-9 record, sorry..but his rings are MORE of a reflection of consistently having great talent around him, to CARRY HIM in their biggest games...
blackadam06 6 months ago
@blackadam06 MJ = GOAT, Kobe = NETGLOAT (Not even the greatest Laker of all time).
VinmanMJ23 5 months ago
Kobe= GOAT
fastmotionforme 1 year ago
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Yeah because we all know only the GOAT can avg 22ppg in the playoffs, when he's supposedly better at the age of 32 than MJ was LOL!!
blackadam06 6 months ago
MR.jellybean bryant copycat
balla1314 1 year ago
@3:24 gotcha..Kobe's trying to be Jordan by sticking his tongue out..give him more than 6 championships 6 mvps and compare the stats then he'll be better than Michael Jordan..
dmazuryki 1 year ago
kobe is good MJ is great. MJ was always the man on his teams he was second to none. kobe was robin to shaq (BATMAN).
rob23molina 2 years ago
@rob23molina 'was' is da keyword
2kking4reel 1 year ago
@2kking4reel Great rebuttal.
rob23molina 1 year ago
Kobe is metrosexual.
jimmychuang 2 years ago
LBJ >> KB (Kwame Brown)
tianos24 2 years ago 2
Lol
QuayshonWhitaker 2 years ago
Awards, accolades that really doesnt mean anything to me. Stats don't really mean much to me either. In terms of skill, leadership, NBA IQ. MJ and Kobe are 1 and two all time, MJ first and kobe second. If I had a team, i would want MJ and Kobe. The others players wouldn't matter.
RibBlake 2 years ago
skills i'll say kb has them, but leadership & NBA IQ, he's pretty low on that list. top 3 would be bird,magic,& mj, i'll use bird as an example that guy was slow & unathletic yet he made every1 around him better by battling ppl 4 a rebound, setting up his teamates w/ amazing no look passes,diving 4 lose balls,not giving up an easy layup. that's setting an example 4 his teammates & leadership. magic & jordan played the same way.
imsljr420 2 years ago
want an example of how kb doesn't have a high basketball iq, watch the video "kobe vs zone defense". the guy talks about how they double kobe, but 2 me it's like they're not grabing him why doesn't he just move away from the double. he just stands there asking 4 the ball, jordan would face that as well, but he would move away from it.
imsljr420 2 years ago
because kobe could use that double team, and try to draw a foul or pass to a open man
RibBlake 2 years ago
if you looking at it that way my friend, putting Game before the numbers, I am taking Kobe as 1st and Mj as second
Rustaveli2k7 2 years ago
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blackadam06 1 year ago
I think about it every night and daaay,
This fuckin song is really Gaaay!
trple5 3 years ago
KOBE IS LIKE MJ...
KOBE IS NEW MJ...
p4p48unz 3 years ago
never
marcsimac 2 years ago
Jordan vs. Kobe? Kobe is an all time great, but that's not close. Jordan beats Kobe in not only stats, but accomplishments, honors, mvps, finals mvps, DPOY awards, records, rings, and impact on the game, not to mention MJ destroys Kobe in terms of playoff performance, was far more clutch, and never lost a finals, going 6-6. Kobe top 15-20 all time, Jordan is the GOAT.
utfanatic2000 3 years ago
TOO FAR!!!!
Batman- Jordan Batman- Shaq finals Mvp
Robin- Scottie Robin- Kobe CHOKED Against Boston. Rapist!!!!! Thrashed talk to Bynum when they are losing too bad!!!!
When Jordan played in the finals you got a feeling the he will win it.
Shiki21 3 years ago
you guys are idiots...Kobe has the DNA of Michael Jordan...he just doesn't have that extra drive Jordan has...
vkgfx 3 years ago
Yes kobe snatched jordans swag, but you can't take away the fact like jordan he is talented, highly skilled, and plays hurt! In my eyes kobe is a better offensive player but it remains to be seen that he is better overall!
calihan54 3 years ago
"In my eyes kobe is a better offensive player"
Oh really?
All Time Offensive Rating: MJ 118 > KB 110
A) Has he ever avg'd more pts for a season? No..
B) Is kobe Top 5 or 10 ALL TIME in PPG? No..
C) Has he avg'd more pts in the Playoffs than MJ? No..
D) Does he have ANY of the ALL TIME scoring avg's for a series in Playoff history? No..
E) Any ALL TIME offensive Top 5 or 10 Seasons Rankings? No..
F) More Scoring Titles or any offensive accolades that are comparable? No!!
Fool..
blackadam06 3 years ago
A) Has kobe ever finished #1 in PER 7 times or in the Top 2, 10 times? No..
B) Has he ever hit 10+ FG's for 28 straight games & 58 of his 1st 61? No..
C) Has he ever avg'd 41 for HALF as season? No..
D) Has he ever avg'd 30+ for 8 straight yrs? No..
In fact, kobe only started to avg 30ppg "AFTER" they changed the defensive rules to increase scoring from it's wing players..
blackadam06 3 years ago 3
@blackadam06 if you had michael jordan and another michael jordan and you put them in two different teams one in this era and one in the old era who would you say is better even though they are the same but the other one is just in a different situation think about it cause we can't even compare that unless if they both were to play a one on one thats what this is i don't know why people claim someone is better when they don't have prove good prove stats or awards don't count
oliverrainman 1 year ago
"stats or awards don't count"
Bullshit!! This is a CLASSIC example of someone trying to level the field in order to make a more "favorable" comparison for their guy because they DON'T have the "individual" credentials to even BEGIN to compare to the other guy.
Awards are given for one's literal play! Stats are LITERALLY the consistent on-court RESULTS of that player's level of skill/talent! Great stats & great skill go hand-in-hand, U CANNOT separate them! They're a reflection of each other!
blackadam06 1 year ago
And for all of your nonsensical talk of MJ being in various situations/eras, wasn't it just 7 yrs ago, that a 39-40 yr old, past his prime MJ, under today's def rules & vs this era of players, put up avg's that are virtually IDENTICAL to kobe's CAREER avg's in just 2 yrs of play? Wasn't it a 40 yr old MJ in '03, that LED ALL GUARDS in ppg & FG% (28ppg on 48%) in "home" games?
Do I REALLY need to list what he did vs today's guys that are considered "elite"? Quite while you're ahead kid..
blackadam06 1 year ago
@blackadam06 dude, i have a list if shit mj aint do. he's not comparing accomplishments, but play styles.
2kking4reel 1 year ago
"i have a list if shit mj aint do"
Like what?
There isn't anything U or any other kobe homer can point to, save for a few "situational" accomplishments here & there from kobe, that MJ didn't consistently do to a much higher rate of efficiency, save for 3-pt shooting, which kobe SLIGHTLY has the edge in the reg season ONLY, but in the playoffs & finals where it matters the MOST, MJ has the OBVIOUS edge, and that can be PROVEN!
blackadam06 1 year ago
@blackadam06 im not but to do that because ppl dont do the same shit as others. i can say kobe dropped 81, i can say he set the nba 3-pt record.. he never outscored a team by his self through 3 quarters. mj has the edge over players from his era not over kobe.
2kking4reel 1 year ago
1st of all, that NBA record for 3-ptrs you're referring to, is SHARED by Donyell Marshall..
U say MJ doesn't have the edge over kobe? Let's see:
Career Finals Scoring avg: MJ 34ppg > kobe 25ppg
Career Finals FG%: MJ 49.1% > kobe 41.1%
Career Finals 3-pt%: MJ 37% > kobe 28%
Record as Team Leader: MJ 640-290 (68%) > kobe 300-224 (57%)
Career Made FG's in Title Clinchers: MJ 73 > KB 38
MJ: 1,176 career finals pts on 473 misses in 35 games
KB: 937 career finals pts on 475 in 37 games
blackadam06 1 year ago
Kobe has MORE MISSES & 239 LESS pts than MJ for his career in the finals. In fact, he only needs 97 more misses to become the All Time leader in missed playoff shots..
MJ: 5987 pts in 7,474 career playoff mins
KB: 5052 pts in 7,811 career playoff mins
He's ALREADY played MORE career playoff mins than MJ, and would STILL have LESS playoff pts than MJ, even if he scored 81 pts 10 times IN A ROW!
blackadam06 1 year ago
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Is 81 pts all U silly ass kobe homers can point to? It was against the #29 out 30 (2nd WORST) ranked defensive team that year LOL!!
* 10 Scoring Titles > 81 pts
* 3041 total pts in a season > 81 pts
* 30ppg for 8 straight season, 50+% shooting in 7 of 'em > 81 pts
* HIGHEST All Time Reg Season, Playoff & Finals ppg avg > 81 pts
* 4 of the Top 11 PPG per 48 min seasons > 81 pts
* 40ppg on 51.3 FG% for HALF a season ('87) > 81 pts
* 40ppg on 50.0 FG% in a finals ('93) > 81 pts
U guys are idiots
blackadam06 1 year ago
@blackadam06 see thats why i did'nt want to tell you wat mj didnt do, some ppl just live to post their stats and shit. jordan is better statistically but kobe is better skill-wise. i don't give a fuck about their stats because they didnt play each other in the playoffs. you're trying to compare them, all i did was tell you the video is not compare stats and accomplishments but play styles yet you're still posting stats. come on man, show love for the game.
2kking4reel 1 year ago
Nobody who's supposed to be "more skilled" at something than the next guy, will consistently fair WORSE at it than him, especially if he's currently playing in a era where the rules have been changed to FAVOR guys like him!!
Do U know how fuckin DUMB U sound?!!
So the alleged better skilled player (kobe) just consistently goes out & puts up inferior production in the reg season, playoffs & finals than the person he's supposed to be "more skilled" than?!!
GTFOH!!
blackadam06 1 year ago
U damn kobe homers seem to think that your opinions (or someone else) about MJ & kobe's level of skill, is what DEFINES it, but not what they consistently did/does on the floor regarding the areas you're critiquing them in!
And you're ALWAYS trying to separate their stats from their level of skill, which is bogus! Imagine if I said Shaq's a better FT shooter than kobe, and oh BTW, don't go by the stats, because he's more skilled at it LOL!!
This is the kinda' bullshit U kobe homers pull..
blackadam06 1 year ago
@blackadam06 then why did phil jackson, the man who made both of them beast through the triangle, say kobe has better basketball skills than him?
mj is always going to have a better % because he mostly drives to the rim, while kobe just shoots in your face.
in mj's era zone was illegal, if they played man 2 man, like they did mj, kobe would average at least 40.
2kking4reel 1 year ago
Why did Phil also say that BJ Armstrong & H. Grant were the BEST PG & PF in the NBA in '93 & '94? So because he said it, that makes it true? No! We ALL KNOW that's a goddamn lie!
Nobody's opinion (even phil's) of a player's skill is more credible than what a player consistently DOES on the floor! And U just keep showing how much U DON'T know about MJ's career!
MJ around '93, relied MAINLY on his jump shot, and during the 2nd 3-peat, was PRIMARILY a mid range jumpshooter!
blackadam06 1 year ago
MJ played ALL of '98 with a cracked knuckle & torn ligament on the index finger of his shooting hand, causing him to have his WORST shooting season at the time, and STILL shot 47%, which is BETTER than ANY season from kobe!
"in mj's era zone was illegal"
SMH..like I said, U kobe homers are ignorant as fuck
"Last season, Jordan had to [overcome] the harassment of [zone traps] and [double & triple teaming] to win the scoring title by averaging 37.1 points a game"
-- NY Times, Nov 4, 1987
blackadam06 1 year ago
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blackadam06 1 year ago
"[Zones] were also used [frequently] [before] they were [legalized] as well. One example, the 80s Celtics were known [users] of it and always got away with it. These are the same Celtics Jordan destroyed from an individual standpoint."
-- NY Times, Feb 29, 2009
"Perhaps the biggest confusion of all was the [tougher] illegal-defense rule to [combat zone defenses.]"
-- Rod Thorn; "The Sports of times; combating handchecks the world over"; Nov 6, 1994
But MJ didn't face zones huh?
Idiot..
blackadam06 1 year ago
And kobe DID play against the defensive rules MJ played his ENTIRE career under, for the 1st 8 yrs of his career! But how'd he do?
Kobe B4 the defensive rules changed
561 games - 21.77 ppg on 42.2 FG%
Kobe after the changes
350+ games - 31.75 ppg on 46.4 FG%
It's not a coincidence that after the defensive rules changed, the # of wing players in the Top 10 in scoring, JUMPED from 3 to 11, and they had a 23% INCREASE in scoring & a 4% INCREASE in FG% LOL!!
new rules + prime MJ = even deadlier
blackadam06 1 year ago
@blackadam06 .......Sorry to jumpin on this one but he coached both mike and kobe so his opinion counts ......just saying
datruthbme11 1 year ago
Does his count? Yes, does it make that claim more valid? No, Especially since ALL of the facts and objective evidence invalidates it.
Imagine if I said that BJ Armstrong was the "best" point guard in the NBA in '93, and that Horace Grant was the "best" power forward in the league in '94. Well that's EXACTLY what he actually said about them LOL!!
Just because he's a coach & actually said that, doesn't make his opinion fact, but TOO MANY of y'all take it as such, and will IGNORE the facts.
blackadam06 1 year ago
@blackadam06 ...okay but since he coached these players that were talking about now .....not horace and bj.........and he watched both of them in games and in PRACTICE(were you and i did not see them) ...you would think he knows what he talking about......the fact is if anybody should kno it would be phil
datruthbme11 1 year ago
SMH..again, you're STILL trying to remove the facts, and insert opinions in place of 'em. Phil's made NUMEROUS claims about players that have NO MERIT, but U guys regard his comments as law.
He told Charles Oakley on the old Reggie Miller show (remember that awful show? LOL!!) that he thought H. Grant was better than him at rebounding, and when Oak pointed out that Horace NEVER had a season avg'n more rebs than him, he just smiled & grinned.
These kinda' comments are what he tends to make..
blackadam06 1 year ago
@blackadam06 ... his comments are not law ....you just have to respect them..... i admit you do have to weed out the bullshyt (he is the zen master) he likes to play mind games but in that statment there is no need 4 mind gamesPLUS i dont think buddy finished the quote i belive phil said "kobe had better skillsbut mj had more natural talent"
datruthbme11 1 year ago
If someone is more skilled at something than the next guy, then U should be able to SHOW where they've consistently faired better at it. Look at his consistent production in the "skilled facets" of the game vs MJ's, and tell me what U find.
I find that MJ consistently produced BETTER results in these areas, so again, are U defining his skill by an opinion of that skill, or by his consistent on-court production, which is the result of his play?
No opinion (even phil's) trumps the latter..
blackadam06 1 year ago
@blackadam06.smh...your reading his statement wrong..
as you said once said KOBE steals(studies) the moves of great players before him...although his favorite player waz magic he had to watch or study(steal as you call it) the move of mj b/c their body type and style of play were similar..mj waz b4 his time he is the best no one really to look up too (as much) NATURAL TALENT... kobe has to work at it harder and still is not OVERALL better but yet has develop better kills in the process
datruthbme11 1 year ago
U can't be "more skilled" at something than the next guy, if U consistently fair WORSE at it than him, hard work put in or not. That's retarded!
One's level of skill at ANY facet of the game, is DEFINED by the consistently good or bad on-court RESULTS in the areas we're critiquing them in, which comes via their play, not by our opinions of that skill, which is what U kobe fans keep trying to define it by..
blackadam06 1 year ago
That's like me saying pippen was more skilled at FT shooting than MJ & ignoring the facts.
Pippen worked HARD at becoming a 70% FT shooter because when he came in, he was ATROCIOUS from there, but because he worked at it to improve, yet STILL consistently faired WORSE at it than MJ, does that mean he's "more skilled" at it than MJ, despite NEVER consistently fairing better at it?
No!! Of course not! But this is the kinda WARPED logic U kobe fans try to apply to kobe's shortcomings vs MJ..
blackadam06 1 year ago
@blackadam06 .......ahhh I SEE now your a stat man......you dont see the intangables....you cant reli compare stats b/c they are playing in two different eras......which is why MJ is said to be AHEAD OF HIS TIME yes he is the best of all time and no kobe wont be able to top that but he is the best thingsince mj left
datruthbme11 1 year ago
It's not as simple as just a mere stat, but that's where one's level of skill is ALWAYS consistently reflected, no matter HOW HARD kobe's fans try to get around that. There's nothing intangible about it.
If he's "more skilled" at something than MJ, it'll ALWAYS show up there. And the different eras comment works against kobe, because he now plays in a era where the defensive rules have ADMITTEDLY been changed to FAVOR guys like him, and STILL doesn't consistently put up better #'s than MJ..
blackadam06 1 year ago
@blackadam06 ...back then zone waz illegal 4 a long time we already know kobe is the best player 2 on 1(haha) in the nba now.....not to mention the players that there playing against are different (bigger stronger faster etc (majority wize))
YES I DO ADMIT they played a rougher back then but MJ is the reason why they call so many small fouls nowhe waz already the best so the reffs gave him hella calls thats why he #8 all time in free throw attempts
datruthbme11 1 year ago
"[Zones] were also used [frequently] before they were [legalized] as well. One example, the 80s Celtics were known [users] of it & always got away with it. These are the same Celtics Jordan destroyed from an individual standpoint."
-- NY Times, Feb 29, 2009
"Perhaps the biggest confusion of all was the [tougher] illegal-defense rule to [combat zone defenses.]"
-- NY Times; "The Sports of times; combating handchecks the world over", Nov 6, 1994
I thought zones weren't played in MJ's era?
blackadam06 1 year ago
"the refs gave him (MJ) hella calls"
Oh really?
So is that why kobe's scored more career pts from the FT line (25.1%) than MJ (22.9%)?
blackadam06 1 year ago
@blackadam06 ... dats 1 team... the point is kobe and mj played in two different eras there both great players mj is the best of all time.....and by the time kobe retires "he will be the 2nd best to ever play the game"
datruthbme11 1 year ago
No it's NOT just 1 team!
The article says: "[One example], the 80s Celtics.." It didn't say, that was the ONLY team that ran it! Versions of Zone 'D have ALWAYS been apart of the NBA! The league just merely legalized it!
"Last season, Jordan had to [overcome] the harassment of [zone traps] and [double & triple teaming] to win the scoring title by averaging 37.1 points a game"
-- NY Times, Nov 4, 1987
That says it all..
blackadam06 1 year ago
@blackadam06 mj best of all time... kobeis the best thing since mj left....theres no stat that can this isnt true no matter how hard you kobe haters try u dont have to like him u just gotta respect him ..... which brings us back to why this is even a videop and why they asked phil jackson in the 1st place....over and out
datruthbme11 8 months ago
@datruthbme11
"kobeis the best thing since mj left"
haha***wiping my eyes***hahaha
"theres no stat that can this isnt true"
That's where you're wrong.
He hasn't been the best player in the league since '07. If you're looking at his ring count, that's a TEAM accomplishment, not a gauge for individual ability, skill or talent.
"u just gotta respect him"
I do, I just don't respect his ignorant ass fans who constantly OVERRATE him in comparisons.
blackadam06 8 months ago
@datruthbme11 WTF?? KOBE isnt 2nd best... he's the BEST.
kovacs562 1 year ago
@kovacs562 not even close
cespin3823 1 year ago
@cespin3823 not even close? OKAY...
kovacs562 1 year ago
get a life
TibxB0i 3 years ago
U get one..
U dummies crack me up with "Trying" to insenuate one doesn't have one because they posted some comments on here.
If that's the case, U don't live up to your OWN bogus standard of ya idiot..
That's TYPICAL of posters like yourself..when U can't refute what the other guy is saying, U try & insult him or WORSE, imply they doesn't have "a life" to mask the fact that you're incompetent regarding a subject matter U have no business trying to debate to begin with..
blackadam06 3 years ago 5
blah blah blah blah blah
They say, the weakest dog is the one that barks the loudest.
TibxB0i 3 years ago
Damn Idiot..
U can't even get the damn saying correct LOL!!
The saying goes, the dog that barks the loudest is the one that got hit U moron!
blackadam06 3 years ago 2
seriously, don't you have anything better to do?
TibxB0i 3 years ago
Face the mirror & ask that question again if that's the case..
blackadam06 3 years ago 3
4:04 MY GOD!! what a shot!
RonM84 3 years ago
I don't know why someone gave you the thumbs down. Agree or disagree your point is at least articulate and isn't flatout incoherant bias. Anyways, I thought the bizarro superman comment was funny, lol. I think Kobe is very close in terms of skill and athletic talent to Jordan. Mentally, I do think he's quite different. Kobe is not nearly as likable as Jordan, although he has done beetter with his teammates recently.
huntingwolf20 3 years ago
If you watch Spike Lee's Documentary on Kobe, you get a whole new perspective on how much Kobe really is a team player now. He's really formed into a leader
RibBlake 2 years ago 3
"I think Kobe is very close in terms of skill and athletic talent to Jordan"
Then U thought WRONG..
In terms of skill, he can't be "as skilled" as MJ when he consistently fairs WORSE than him in the "skilled facets" of the game. One's consistent on-court production in the "skilled facets" is the gauge of their level of skill in that area of play.
And as far as athletic ability, U CLEARLY didn't see MJ circa 1986-93 to believe kobe's "close" to MJ in that regards. Now U sound like a fool..
blackadam06 1 year ago
@blackadam06 ....aye man your jus a pure kobe hater ...i am a kobe fan ...AND YES i kno kobe will never be better than mike....but he is the CLOSEST THING TO MJ THE NBA HAS SEEN...this is why they make the comparison this the only reason this video is even posted...dnt care where you got kobe ranked all time when hes done he will be right behind mike
datruthbme11 1 year ago
U kobe homers need to grow the fuck up..
Everytime y'all can't invalidate what the other guy's saying, it's "oh..you're just hating..you're a hater"..do y'all know how childish that bullshit sounds?!! How the fuck is it hating if what's being said is a FACT & can verified?!!
And no dumb ass, the ONLY reason guys like yourself compare him to MJ, is because of his "style" of play, which he ADMITS to copying from MJ! He even got his damn nickname from the Air Jordan XIX's (the black mambas) LOL!!
blackadam06 1 year ago
@blackadam06 ...this is sad since your telling me to grow up ....this must mean your hella old.... you frown upon me calling you a hater but then turn around and call me a homer(which is a word you most likely made up) everbody from nba analysts to former players compare mj and kobe so what is your point in saying "guys like yourself".... you have your opinon let others have theres ... your saying mj is the best we all kno this but since he left kobe has been the next best thing period
datruthbme11 1 year ago
if kobe is better than jordan why he imitate jordan moves???explain to me pls???
lugawconyelo 3 years ago 2
kobe is a copycat
kalvinguyah 3 years ago
Wade is on Kobe's heels...he's much closer to Kobe than Kobe is to Jordan..
RickyMoss 3 years ago
what sum body slapp this NIGGA, you dont know shit about b-ball wade is only good with in 17 feet of the basket, wade cannot i repeat cannot make a 25 footer for the WIN the man can slash to the basket but he is no pure shooter, LIKE KOBE 5 FINALS APPEARANCES, 3 NBA TITLES, 1 MVP SHOULD BE THREE (FUCK STEVE NASH), AND ONE AWESOME GOLD MEDAL YOU KNOW THAT ONE WADE & JAMES LOST THE ARGENTINA, A 81 POINT GAME, KOBE IS THE NEXT JORDAN.... GO LAKERS
xMikeDezzyx421 3 years ago
kobe isnt the next jordan kobe is the first kobe
NekoRunkz1 3 years ago 3
defidently :]
sprocker14 3 years ago
get off the hallucinagens
marcsimac 2 years ago
@xMikeDezzyx421 im glad somebody else knows kobe should have more mvps....the 1st one i think the nba gave it to nash b/c of kobe off the court actions which is wron but whatever....BUT THE 2ND TIME THEY GAVE IT TO NASH WAZ A SLAP,PUNCH AND SPIT IN THE FACE OF KOBE
datruthbme11 1 year ago
Jordan is waaayyyy better than Kobe... try the NBA finals versus the celtics blowing 2 20-point leads..one of them at home..and then losing by 40 in an elimination game... Jordan always went down with a battle when he lost.... how about blowing a 3-1 series lead against the Suns and not wanting to shoot the ball at all in the second half against the leagues worst defense... Kobe still my boy though but he ain't no Jordan...
RickyMoss 3 years ago
KOBES THE BEST AND DEAL WIT IT
BasketballToNBA 3 years ago
Well, Jordan has better stats, more accomplishments, honors and awards, records, rings, and impact on the game, so it would seem MJ was better.
utfanatic2000 3 years ago
good one dude kobe clearly the better man plus kobe hasnt been around as long as mj dude u can fight wit me all long as u want but kobe is the better man and y do i think tht its cause im a huge lakers fan. KOBE THE BETTER MAN
BasketballToNBA 3 years ago
Kobe will have been in the league as long as MJ (12 years) after next season. Granted he wasn't a starter for 2 of those seasons.
ClipCoug 3 years ago 3
yeah so kobe the best lol
BasketballToNBA 3 years ago
Kobe clearly better? lol, how so? Compare first 12 years in the league, Jordan destroys him in stats, accomplishments, accolades, records, and rings. Not close. Seriously man, wake up and learn your nba history.
utfanatic2000 3 years ago 3
kobe is trying hard to be mj
rowks 3 years ago
Kobe is the greatest in his era. Jordan was the best in his era. Period. Let Kobe be Kobe. Stop hating. He's the best player and we are lucky to see him play.
I wanna see what you bitches will say for the next couple of years when Lakers dominat the NBA. Just watch.
peterdabest94 3 years ago
Kobe watches MJ videos before each game
YellowMK2T 3 years ago
lol i like kobe a lil more but i couldnt help commenting this. lol thats funny lmao
Hovmyster 3 years ago
Wait...
is it True? that Kobe, PAU, ODOM and the Lakers won by "39 Points" in the 2008 NBA CHAMPIONSHIP over the Boston Celtics? i have to watch the replay :))
Go Kobe "The Black Rapist Mamba"
skaipd 3 years ago
even when Jordan didn't have a good team he led the league in scoring multiple times (10 to be exact) as a rookie with a terrible team he finished 3rd in scoring, best rebounder on the team, best passer on the team, best defender. Kobe hasn't won defensive player of the league nor lead the league in steals and points. Also, when Jordan was played at point guard in 1990, it took him like three starts before he had a triple double
gathuarox7 3 years ago
Kobe is better at ONE THING = 3 pt. shooting.
THATS IT.
NBA0809 3 years ago
And that's only in the regular season (34% to 32.8%) Jordan shot it better in the playoffs (33.2 to 30.2%)
ClipCoug 3 years ago
lol, gay song
Finch0420 3 years ago
Kobe.
beastieSB 3 years ago
Like the dude said jordan had a great team the reason why is that the way jordan played the style the creativeness caught onto his team mates thats why Jordan>All
AzNwacko 3 years ago
"There is no such thing as a perfect basketball player, and I don't believe there is only one greatest player either. Everyone plays in different eras. I built my talents on the shoulders of someone else's talent. I believe greatness is an evolutionary process that changes and evolves era to era. Without Julius Erving, David Thompson, Walter Davis, and Elgin Baylor there would never have been a Michael Jordan. I evolved from them."
tmz888 3 years ago
if lebron propose to himself, he can be greater than those 2.
he gat everything, but he needs to madure
pharrell32 3 years ago
Yes we all Know tht Michael Jordan is the best ball player of all times but i don't care what u say i still think that Kobe is a grate player .so just stop comparing them there both phenomenal player let them be them selves
itsSamantha173 3 years ago
nowadays you have to have 2 offensive threats. its a combination of defense getting better in the elite teams and the league becoming tougher when it comes to calling defensive fouls. you could compare the dominant center that shaq was to the combination of pippen and outside shooting that the bulls had. when you throw rodman in the mix...forget it. rodman got them so many 2nd chance points and defensive boards its ridiculous thats not pointed out in the bulls dominence.
runelord37 3 years ago
But Rodman wasn't their for the first 3peat if you recall.They had a old cartright, stacy king and scot williams and livingston.
blade2166 3 years ago
see what you dont get is that shaq wouldnt have won those 3 without kobe either. the offense may in large part have been run thorugh shaq.. however what you fail to remember is that kobe and shaq would trade off on scoring night in night out, they were both number one. not a sidekick and lead man. Jordan had amazing role players. and in those days the inside out game was rediculously dominant against almost every team, hence jordans interior mastery. they had no answer for that back then
runelord37 3 years ago
If u remember SHAQ went to the finals with Orlando and Miami where he won and of course everyone is going to say well he had D.Wade which again was the #2 man. Shaq was the man in Orlando,LAand Miami. He is at the end of his carreer now with PHX but don't count them out. When Shaq left both teams went to shit!Same with MJ when he left the Bulls they haven't won a title since. So yes ,Shaq was Batman and Kobe was Robin. Just like Mj and scottie.
blade2166 3 years ago
Shaq is old. Jordan was 39,40 yrs in wizards. Could you ask 40 yrs old Jordan and 28 yrs old Jordan to be the same?
jimmychuang 3 years ago
of course not what r replying about i was just stating that Shaq was the man in Orlando,LA and Miami. People got it backwards saying shaq won because Kobe was their but if u notice Shaq went to the finals with every team except of course PHX. If everyone would notice that all the teams after Shaq left went nowhere and Kobe needed Gasol for them to get to the finals.
blade2166 3 years ago
I agree with you. Shaq can improve a team too much because he is fast, big, strong, and skilled(not mention his free throw). In his best years, I can't even say MJ had the biggest impact to his team in the NBA. Because all teams have Shaq all play very well from 93 to 2005. It's nothing to argue about. Shaq would be far more important than Kobe if he was still in his best condition and he was in Lakers today.
I still believe Shaq is better than Wilt. They all use their physical advantage
jimmychuang 3 years ago
Shaq was the main guy in Orlando and LA. Wade ran the show in Miami, mainly because he was Finals MVP.
ClipCoug 3 years ago
They are both great players But Kobe's 3 championships have come off the back of Shaq. When Kobe wins a championship without Shaq then u might start talking who is better. MJ has won 6 championships with no dominating center and a bunch of role players.
blade2166 3 years ago
yes shaq is a big reason why they won but MJ didnt just have role players...what about dennis rodman(who grabs way more rebounds then shaq ever has), scottie pippen (who was averageing over 20 points a game in most of his seasons in chicago), toni kukoc, ron harper(even though his stats dropped as soon as he got to chicago) but still i just wanted to prove that the bulls werent just a bunch of role players like allen iverson had on the sixers
MoeSkids 3 years ago
Rodman?No offensive threat,defensive player and rebounder.Pippen hardly drew double teams.Shaq avg what rodman rebounded and scored almost 30ppg in the playoffs.Shaq demanded a double or triple team in his prime.Which took alot of pressure off Kobe he just had to go 1 on 1.The others just waited for the pass out from shaq.Shaq did the samething in Miami.they just had to knock down the open jumper.Where Jordan was the guy getting double and tripled.Kobe is finding what is is to be like Mike now!
blade2166 3 years ago
ye i agree with all that but in rodmans prime he was averageing in the 15 to 18 range in rebounds and shaq in the 11 to 13 range if you just look at there stats you will notice the difference
MoeSkids 3 years ago
The Game Lakers VS Celtics will show how good Kobe is by him self. with Boston in the lead. I think
Sorry Kobe but I Live in Massachusetts no shit I'm Wishing luck on Celtics
ShinWR1 3 years ago
blade2166 Thats what I've been saying also but good point. Jordan should have won 1 or 2 more but I still believe winning 6 in that era was harder than Russell winning 11 rings in that era for sure!!!; no question about it. And Jabbar won 6 Titles but I'd rather have Jordan than Jabbar.
gattonmaster 3 years ago
much tougher???Now you can even defend with 2 hands on the attacker...
There are some players that go to the basket and dont even try to make a shot they just jump and wait for a foul or a contact inside that stupid area..(D.WADE)
lagosdre 3 years ago 2
god!, stop comparing them 2, jordan is over and hes a legendary player and kobe is a legend too but he still can do better than any1...all legend have same moves even jordan tried to copy the reverse dunk from wilkins
dethsino 4 years ago
wtf are you yammerin about?
JayT98 4 years ago
I always thought Jordan was hyped up simply because he was spokesman of Nike. And players now are MUCH tougher than before.
mepatrick 4 years ago
Detroit piston 87-90 lakers 81-90 NY kincks 90's Boston celtics....this teams will give you a bruises and brocken bones...now we have hand check foul and d Wade type of fouls common bigger may be but tougher i dont think so....
misayde 4 years ago 4
Tougher? I don't think so.
UR2H 3 years ago
lol....NO they arent players these days will sit games out with a finger nail injury.
gigalonupe 3 years ago
Kobe rocks
labatcong 4 years ago
Kobe>mj
lakers730 4 years ago
good comment but you cant say that kobe doesnt play like MJ. I'm not talking about the championships or the mvp's, just how alike they play
kneekeel8 4 years ago