@CounterCultureLives -- His resignation speech, in it he shared his pain and shame. Did they not understand that in his farewell he fully encapsulated his responsibility for Watergate? I Did, he said that in trying to destroy his enemies, by engaging in hate, he destroyed himself. The media read it their own way, Pearls before swine. I forgave Nixon long ago, God forgave Nixon when he went to his knees, a moment which the media derides and mocks. That shows how little the media understands.
@MrWhadayaknow You're contemplations of Asperger's syndrome are quite fascinating. I'm not really familiar with it but I am going to begin doing some research on it. Apparently, you have some experience dealing with it. Given the patterns of dysfunctionalism in my family (which also involves episodes of violence) it may well run in my family as well.
@CounterCultureLives People with aspergers don't understand emotions in others UNLESS the ramifications have been demonstrated to the person with aspergers. For instance, Nixon REALLY sympathized with people who lost elections. Because HE had experienced that pain. Nixon often wrote letters of solace to politicians on BOTH sides of the aisle after they lost an election.
@MrWhadayaknow I'm going to begin studying Asperger's syndrome in depth. Look, I gotta' run, but I thank you for the interesting conversation. Different perspectives, without the mindless insults, gutter language, and trash talk.
@MrWhadayaknow People with aspergers often don't look beyond their own feelings, not because they don't care, but because they don't understand that their behavior is causing hurt or dismay in others, they are often so consumed with the tasks at hand that they have tunnel vision and can't cope with the needs of others. Its too draining. Thats why Nixon was so unable to be everything to everyone, his ONLY focus was being president, and presidential. His family understood the media did not.
@MrWhadayaknow Just one more question, but I'll need to get back to you later. Why was it that the people closest to Nixon (Haldeman, Eirlichman, Colson, Kissinger, Mitchell, et.al. couldn't see that something was wrong with the big picture regarding Nixon's personality??
@CounterCultureLives Well actually they did. Haldeman said he was the "strangest man he ever knew.' To put it succintly, Nixon was, well, a nerd. He was the guy least likely to get into the position he attained through personality. He attained the position through hard work, aggression and sheer brilliance. Nixon was an introvert, his early life showed that. He had few friends, didn't like crowds, unless of course they were tuned in to him and what he wanted to talk about.
@CounterCultureLives I think most of these people basically liked Nixon. Even Kissinger though he had a shameful way of showing it. "Telling on" Nixon as he prayed and wept in his darkest moments was pretty horrible. But the anecdote speaks well of Nixon none the less, he was HUMAN! Kissinger is in no position to talk about being odd or unpleasant. No doubt he shuddered at the release of the tape last year where he spoke so carelessly about Israels fate.
@CounterCultureLives Austism spectrum disorder (Aspergers) was certainly not understood in Nixons day, it fares little better even today. Kissinger thought that Nixon's greatest liability was that "he had never been loved" I think this is a bit glib. But its true Nixon didn't trust people to be fair to him. He was cheated out of his mothers love due to his Mom caring for others when he was a baby, and his grandma who took over responded to his cries by crying out loud herself. Very strange.
@CounterCultureLives BTW Nixon himself HATED this kind of Psychobabble, but I think I fully understand his feelings in this matter. Nixon had little talent for understanding people, therefore friendships were rare, often too difficult to maintain, draining. Friendship is give and take, Nixons relationships often appear one-sided. Those were the ones that worked best for him because he had OTHER concerns, his career trumped everything. There it is again, the narrow focus of aspergers.
@CounterCultureLives Read 30+ books on Nixon, written by every conceivable friend, foe & family member, even the most recent, WHICH I don't reccommend BTW. Having read all these other books on Nixon, AND listened to the tapes, I know the author is a slanderous Hack trying to make a quick buck. I've even contacted the former director of the Nixon library, his knowledge of Nixon is extensive. it's time to extinguish the public auto-de-fe of Nixon and his family. The public should demand it
@CounterCultureLives John Mitchell never capitalized on his relationship to Nixon with a book. But he understood Nixon, Martha Mitchell wrote her book on Nixon and it's quite clear she didn't. But then Nixon failed to give her the attention that the grandstanding Martha demanded. No two were more likely not to get along, though I would say that Nixon at least tried. But Martha was just too needy and bizarre for Nixon, she thought she should come first before her husbands (Mitchells) career.
@MrWhadayaknow Regarding RMN's "enemies", he was keenly focused upon vanquishing them. Ironically, if he had been willing to allow others to see the more human side of himself, he would have disarmed his enemies.
Remember the debate between Ronald Reagan and Walter Mondale?? Where Reagan was asked if his age would impede his capacity to govern?? Reagan could not have handled that better. Walter Mondale later said that that was the very moment that won Reagan re-election.
An enigma to some, not so much to others. Nixon was a very considerate person, that picture has been fully obscured.The liberal media, I used to be liberal myself, doesn't want to give him any credit, so all the old lies are repeated. Nixon was not so complicated really, John Mitchell once said that Nixon was less complicated than his 6 year old grandson. Nixon was a man who felt criticism very deeply and felt justified to strike back with all his might. If you liked him however, you were in.
one question RMN was never asked, that i really wish that someone had asked him:
"When the helicopter lifted off the White House lawn, or while you were aboard Air Force One for the last time, was there some part of you, at some point, that was glad that it was all over??"
@CounterCultureLives You're mistaken, it wasn't all over, it still isn't. He knew that he would never be left alone. Read Exile by Anson, for a better understanding of Nixon's post resignation Hell.
@MrWhadayaknow I think you're missing my point. I'm asking a question, not making a statement.
There's no doubt that at the times that followed RMN's departure from The White House were extremely difficult. He nearly died from phlebitis and other complications. He also had serious legal and financial problems to deal with.
@CounterCultureLives I'm correcting your misapprehension. Nixon KNEW they would NEVER stop persecuting him. They disbarred him and tried to take away all the privileges due to a former President, They even tried to charge him for the flight back to El Toro and San Clemente. Its sad how little people know about this man, and how ready they all are to believe lies. Yes, I know he nearly died from Phlebitis, a nurse is credited with bringing him back from the brink of death.
@MrWhadayaknow I understand what you are saying; my point focuses upon those events and time frames that led up to his resignation. No question that more troubles would follow.
Speaking as a former Republican turned Democrat, I can tell you that there are many Democrats who do not see him as the villain he was once considered to be. They now recognize his depths of intelligence and see him as a foreign policy genius.
@CounterCultureLives Interesting, I am a former Democrat, turned Republican. As recent as the last election in fact, I voted for Obama. Now, I cannot countenance the Democratic party and their goals. Nixon was in essence a very good man, he had some mean thoughts regarding minorities, on occassion, I think we all do. but I have heard his over arching concern, this on tape, that no one should be treated unjustly due to their race, gender or religion, yet the liberals demonize him still.
@MrWhadayaknow I do share you're disappointment with the Democratic party. There will be extremists in every faction of politics, from both sides of the spectrum.
The liberals that I know are much more fair minded in their retrospectives of Nixon, particularly in understanding the complications of getting us out of Vietnam. Getting out was much easier said than done. They see him as an incredibly intelligent, but deeply flawed man.
@CounterCultureLives Nixon really seemed to be in between the two parties in many ways. I think Nixon was socially inept, perhaps he had aspergers syndrome, he had difficulties relating to people, I think his flaws came from his inability to identify with his opponents, so often he went too far, but not all of Nixons heavy handed tactics came from Nixon himself, some of his "flaws" were compounded by over eager accomplices who felt they had a free hand to do whatever is needed.
@MrWhadayaknow I agree. It seems that he actually preferred working with the Dixiecrats more than he did the Republicans. Many "liberal" programs, such as the EPA and the cancer initiative, began under his administration. RMN's tenure in The oval Office is, in that respect, something of an enigma.
@CounterCultureLives yet at the same time Nixon could be quite sympathetic, but only it seems when it was a situation with which he could identify. He was always sympathetic of people who lost elections, I think only because it impacted him so very deeply. I really believe that Nixon was robbed of the 1960 election. HAD that NOT happened, Nixon might NOT have been SO OBSESSIVE about countering any possible eventuality during the 1972 election.
@CounterCultureLives that's not to say that you are ignorant of him, I just want people to know that Nixon was severly punished THROUGHOUT his life, and it still continues to this day. If only those who persecute this man could understand their own sin in dealing so unfairly with his memory. Their punishment awaits them in the hereafter.
@MrWhadayaknow (Pt.2) The point that I'm focusing upon was that RMN's administration had collapsed before his resignation. By the time he announced his resignation, what he had left was in essence, a cracked shell; his power to govern was already gone.
So, given those circumstances, I'm left to wonder if RMN was, at some level, relieved that that particular chapter was finally over. That's not to suggest that his ordeals were all over; obviously, they weren't.
@CounterCultureLives I doubt it, he was handed no other alternative, his inability to fight on left him vulnerable beyond anything he was prepared to accept. Never had he been so powerless and at the mercy of others, particularly his enemies. I sincerely doubt he was relieved. I think that is well evidenced by his physical breakdown a month or so from the resignation.
@MrWhadayaknow You make some good points, but those problems were going to be there to be dealt with, whether he remained in office or not. I can only wonder, but given his situation and his lack of alternatives, it seems that remaining in office would have only compounded those problems.
Had he not left office, I'm left to wonder if he would have lived through the medical complications that he was destined to face. I doubt he could have lived through impeachment proceedings.
@CounterCultureLives I don't know, he really was given no choice, we all felt that Bush Sr. gave him his marching orders and Nixon didn't want to harm the party or further harm the country. He accepted his guilt but had little appetite for a public declaration of such. Interesting still is Nixon's statement to Diane Sawyer after she presented a paper to him explaining Watergate, he told her he never before quite understood the entire Watergate picture.
@MrWhadayaknow I've watched the Y/T vid of the minutes before his resignation speech. I find it interesting, because we see the "unstarched", more personal, and more human side of Richard Nixon.
This was a part of Nixon that, for some reason(s), he didn't want other people to see. I find that to be rather ironic, because I believe that if he had shown that part of himself to the American people, he might well have survived Watergate.
@CounterCultureLives I think Nixon was essentially a very open person at one time, people who are open often find that such openess is a mistake, as one time friends often betray such confidence. Nixon felt very keenly every attack and every criticism. No doubt he considered these attacks from people he had trusted very hurtful. I believe he stopped trusting people, particularly the media & built a wall. I'm not surprised, given the propensity of the media to misread and misquote.
@MrWhadayaknow Your observations are most interesting, and accurate. What I fin so ironic is that he was such as skilled politician, yet he let the more trivial issues get to him. you are absolutely correct that Nixon built walls, but what is so sad is that he would have been far more successful at building bridges.
As far as the media and RMN's critics?? Kind of like the coyote that howls at the big, bright, full moon. The coyote can howl, but the moon will keep right on shining.
@CounterCultureLives Thats where I think the aspergers comes in. Its a hunch of mine and just speculation. But I have a brother who has it and I do as well. My brother is the sort of guy that if you punched him in the arm he would powerdrive you into the wall. But he is very sensitive in other ways, but never had much luck understanding people or their motivations. I understand people more, but I keep to myself, its less draining.
@CounterCultureLives I like that, thats a great comment howling at the moon that just keeps shining! Another habit of people with aspergers is to have narrow interests and to talk about things without caring or noticing if people have lost interest. John ehrlichman has said of Nixon, if he goes to the beach, you won't find him building sandcastles, he is always thinking or working on the matters of his office.
@MrWhadayaknow About Nixon though, the media makes much of his anti-semetic comments and racist ones as well, Yet some of the people who liked him best were from these groups! but I think these kinds of fleeting, and unworthy sentiments have crossed all our minds, but as Nixon has said, our better natures take over. I have HEARD Nixon talk about what is RIGHT! And that no ONE should be denied opportunity to go as high as their abilities can propel them.
@MrWhadayaknow Wrote: "John ehrlichman has said of Nixon, if he goes to the beach, you won't find him building sandcastles, he is always thinking or working on the matters of his office."
Methinks Ehrlichman was absolutely correct, but it's sad. Sometimes, dropping back and building sand castles, or flying a kite, or just laying back and watching the clouds can help clear the mind of clutter, and gain new or clearer perspectives. Too bad (and, quite sad) RMN couldn't grasp that.
@CounterCultureLives Well, coming from the hardscrabble background that he did, I don't think he never took the presidency for granted, especially having lost the 1960 election in the way that he had. Most scholars suspect election tampering by the Kennedy team. His past experiences battling enemies had to have kept him on his toes. I think he didn't want to be complacent, but instead stayed vigilant and "tuned in" to the matters at hand
@CounterCultureLives After leaving office Nixon mellowed and felt free to relax, to be less worried about the media. In his later years, away from the White House he and his wife enjoyed happier less troubled times. I have read over 30 books on the man, by friends, enemies and everyone in between. And listening to the tapes is very enlightening! Go to the Nixon Library for a full spectrum of his conversations. From them I see a picture, quite complete, of a man who was indeed "One of us".
In the speech Nixon invoked Teddy Roosevelt. Teddy's first wife died shortly after giving birth to Teddy's daughter Alice Roosevelt. Further the same week that Teddy lost his wife, his mother also died. A double whammy. Alice Roosevelt Longworth (she married Senator Longworth) was still alive at the time of this speech. She was reportedly furious at Nixon for mentioning her father's loss of her mom and grandmother. She was offended that a disgraced President would invoke her father.
@ajb1776 I doubt that VERY much, Alice was a friend of Nixon's and sat at his table quite often, they were quite fond of one another. What is your source?
Every person he quotes is deferential to his noble vitues, every story he tells ends with someone telling him how amazed they are by his great integrity and honour
Maybe that was part of his problem during Watergate
he thought his own shit didnt stink until it was too late and it hit the fan
@grai I'm starting to see why conservatives dislike liberals. Since when did Nixon legislate from the Book of God? He constantly criticized the Religious Right.
This country lost a great leader, a man Wise beyond his years. This President would have stopped the cold war and put America in a strong leadership position in the world.
No question that he did great things as President but the fact that he ordered a coverup makes him more tragic than great. He abused his power and lied to the American public. the unfortunate part is that he was a very intelligent man, more so than Johnson, Kennedy, Ford, Carter or Reagan. He could have been the greatest President we ever had.
The fact is that RMN was guilty of nothing that his predecessors had not done, but the "{unwritten rules" which had permitted covert White House operations had changed, and Nixon was too isolated from the social revolutions to understand that.
We were at critical junctions in dealing with Vietnam, China, and the Soviets. Nixon saw Watergate was a petty distraction.
Yes but his acts were criminal. Because his predecessors may have done something illegal does not absolve him of his crimes. His abandonment of the law in trying to coverup Watergate was criminal.
True, but the problem here is that presidents of both political parties have been guilty of crimes far worse than Watergate.
Seems a wee bit hypocritical to go after Nixon when JFK and LBJ were parties to scandals that were, up to that time, successfully executed and covered up.
Did RMN handle Watergate properly?? Even Nixon has conceded that he mishandled it.
I think you are right. Kennedy and LBJ were both corrupt and allowed their ambition to blind their duty. They allowed the foundation for future Presidents to mishandle the office.
Nixon's cover up (or attempt to cover up) his mis deeds was his downfall.
I do think it was hypocritical to go after Nixon and not LBJ and Kennedy, with the caveat that it was right to go after Nixon and wrong to leave the other two alone.
What I find so incredibly ironic is that there was not a Democratic candidate who could have defeated Nixon in 1972. Nixon's approval ratings were incredibly high.
When I listen to "the smoking gun" tape, I don't hear a President orchestrating a cover-up; I here a President who is, in essence, "shooing away" a gnat in his ear.
Given the stakes this nation was dealing with, I don't really blame him.
"I do think it was hypocritical to go after Nixon and not LBJ and Kennedy, with the caveat that it was right to go after Nixon and wrong to leave the other two alone."
Another irony to the Watergate scandal is that the "seeds of scandal" that laid the groundwork for Watergate was the break-in at the office of Daniel Ellsberg's psychiatrist, after Ellsberg leaked The Pentagon Papers.
Nixon was angry over the embarrassment it caused LBJ. Nixon and LBJ were close friends.
"I do think it was hypocritical to go after Nixon and not LBJ and Kennedy, with the caveat that it was right to go after Nixon and wrong to leave the other two alone."
There really was no way that RMN or his administration could have gone after either JFK or LBJ. JFK was assassinated, so any POTUS who's administration would go after him would have committed political suicide.
LBJ died shortly after the inauguration of 1973; that would have been very tawdry spectacle.
True but why should he be forever be vilified by the liberal national media when Johnson who was just as crooked and destroyed the country is reconsidered as a great president by the contemporary media?
Well again, Nixon's wrongs (and there are many) should not be excused simply because another Presidents are overlooked. You are correct in that Johnson was a disaster as President. His buildup of the war and the Great Society program were but two examples of unnecessary government buildup.
Not speaking for anyone else but I don't see a lot of love given to Johnson as President.....he seems to me to be more ignored than anything else. His
No. We should be watchful of men who abuse power (as Nixon did). What Nixon did was criminal. The President is not above the law and in trying to coverup Watergate that is exactly what he did. He knew better and he did not err.....he willfully broke the law.
Amen. Majesty657!! I'm a Liberal Democrat, and I will readily acknowledge that Nixon was a foreign policy genius, an incredibly intelligent President, but a very flawed man.
One thing that must be recorded to Nixon's credit: There was never an "X" in Nixon.
one of the greatest speeches from a President of all time! Given the circumstances surrounding him, without notes, from the heart, this is the REAL Nixon. No excuses because he was wrong but what a speech!!
You and I weren't President of the United States. How can you possibly comprehend what it's like to hold that office? Nixon screwed up, but he also accomplished much. How do you plan to change the world?
Nixon accomplished what exactly? He is responsible for one the greatest genocides of the modern era in Cambodia, he carpet bombed innocent civilians until they hated America, all he ever offered was fear and hate, just like all republicans
Pin-pong diplomacu with china, one of the greatest economic expansions in the history of the usa, and belibed or not, he ended vietnam, not becuase public pressure, but becuase he grab the bull by the horns, if you had leve it to the democrats probably it wouldnt had ended in 1973 but much more later.
I have read it up douche bag.... Nixons secret bombings of North Vietnamese positions in Cambodia did very little if anything to help the Khemer Rouge. They didnt come to power until 1975...and Nixon was long gone then. In fact... the the democratically controlled congress didnt cut so much funding to the war...the US may have even been able to prevent Cambodia...and certainly would have prevented the fall of Saigon. Nixon was the greatest president since FDR
everything ive said, other than my opinions of the fall of saigon and him being a great president, which is obviously opinion, is fact. Take it for what it is, read the facts and make your own opinion. Ive formed mine
the lib-historians are fond of blaming the Khmer Rouge take-over on Nixon's order for a carpet-bombing. the Viet-Cong were the first to invade neutralist Cambodia but, as usual, Nixon got the blame.
I agree completely, I just take issue with the 'justice is blind' and 'equality under the law' which is not the case in this country. OJ Simpson would have gone to jail had he been poor. Justice is expensive.
I suppose Mr. Nixon was a 'crook' but he was also many other things, like most of us. I do believe that he meant to do the best for the US. Mr. Nixon's sins were under the international media scope, unlike ours. I believe Mr. Nixon was sincere in this speech. Yes, Mr. Nixon could have apologized for his wrongdoing; he should have. He was concerned, like most of us, about doing jail time. Was his sin that great? I hope not, or we are all in trouble.
@ocean3da What a idiotic statement to make. Several presidents, even great ones, have made actions that caused the deaths of people. EXAMPLE: Bush invading Iraq, Lincoln's Civil War, Lyndon Johnson going into Vietnam, Obama sending more troops to Aghanistan, Clinton failing to intervene in Rwanda, Roosevelt entering World War 2, Truman dropping the bomb, Reagan for sending Marines into Beruit. Many Presidents have blood on their hands, not just Nixon. Don't forget that.
Rwanda was not Clinton's or America's problems, it had nothing to do with America's national security interests. All governments past and future have their interests in crude oil.
your correct. People always remember President Nixon for watergate and they forget about the great foreign policies he instituted, the jobs he created and the great state the nation was in by the time he left. I used to criticize President Nixon then I saw Nixon a Presidency revealed. He did so much for the country he loved and he will eventually be remembered as a good president
No, Nixon and Clinton were easily the best Presidents since Truman, no question about it. It ended tragically for both of them. They were both great men who did stupid things. Both were born to be President and had all the skills to be great. Both had bitter enemies both in the media and among their political opponents.
You Barack Hussein Obama supporters just don't stop do you? BHO got there not through merit, but because of celebrity, despicable media bias and unusually dumb luck.
Two wars, an ECONOMIC CRISIS, gasoline at five dollars a gallon and its unusually dumb luck. you should get your own radio program your totally out of touch
Careful with the BHO comments. I am a strong supporter of Barack, and with the exception of your slam against Obama & his supporters, I am in agreement with you.
There are many of us GOBAMA supporters who see that Nixon's Presidency was a success in many ways. His personal demons are what brought him down, but history has recognized Nixon's successes.
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MrWhadayaknow 2 weeks ago
@CounterCultureLives -- His resignation speech, in it he shared his pain and shame. Did they not understand that in his farewell he fully encapsulated his responsibility for Watergate? I Did, he said that in trying to destroy his enemies, by engaging in hate, he destroyed himself. The media read it their own way, Pearls before swine. I forgave Nixon long ago, God forgave Nixon when he went to his knees, a moment which the media derides and mocks. That shows how little the media understands.
MrWhadayaknow 2 weeks ago
@MrWhadayaknow You're contemplations of Asperger's syndrome are quite fascinating. I'm not really familiar with it but I am going to begin doing some research on it. Apparently, you have some experience dealing with it. Given the patterns of dysfunctionalism in my family (which also involves episodes of violence) it may well run in my family as well.
CounterCultureLives 2 weeks ago
@CounterCultureLives People with aspergers don't understand emotions in others UNLESS the ramifications have been demonstrated to the person with aspergers. For instance, Nixon REALLY sympathized with people who lost elections. Because HE had experienced that pain. Nixon often wrote letters of solace to politicians on BOTH sides of the aisle after they lost an election.
MrWhadayaknow 2 weeks ago
@MrWhadayaknow I'm going to begin studying Asperger's syndrome in depth. Look, I gotta' run, but I thank you for the interesting conversation. Different perspectives, without the mindless insults, gutter language, and trash talk.
Peace!!
CounterCultureLives 2 weeks ago
@CounterCultureLives Yes but Reagan was a completely different type of person. Okay nice talking with you!
MrWhadayaknow 2 weeks ago
@MrWhadayaknow People with aspergers often don't look beyond their own feelings, not because they don't care, but because they don't understand that their behavior is causing hurt or dismay in others, they are often so consumed with the tasks at hand that they have tunnel vision and can't cope with the needs of others. Its too draining. Thats why Nixon was so unable to be everything to everyone, his ONLY focus was being president, and presidential. His family understood the media did not.
MrWhadayaknow 2 weeks ago
@MrWhadayaknow Just one more question, but I'll need to get back to you later. Why was it that the people closest to Nixon (Haldeman, Eirlichman, Colson, Kissinger, Mitchell, et.al. couldn't see that something was wrong with the big picture regarding Nixon's personality??
Look foreword to your responses. Thanks!!
CounterCultureLives 2 weeks ago
@CounterCultureLives Well actually they did. Haldeman said he was the "strangest man he ever knew.' To put it succintly, Nixon was, well, a nerd. He was the guy least likely to get into the position he attained through personality. He attained the position through hard work, aggression and sheer brilliance. Nixon was an introvert, his early life showed that. He had few friends, didn't like crowds, unless of course they were tuned in to him and what he wanted to talk about.
MrWhadayaknow 2 weeks ago
@CounterCultureLives I think most of these people basically liked Nixon. Even Kissinger though he had a shameful way of showing it. "Telling on" Nixon as he prayed and wept in his darkest moments was pretty horrible. But the anecdote speaks well of Nixon none the less, he was HUMAN! Kissinger is in no position to talk about being odd or unpleasant. No doubt he shuddered at the release of the tape last year where he spoke so carelessly about Israels fate.
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@CounterCultureLives Austism spectrum disorder (Aspergers) was certainly not understood in Nixons day, it fares little better even today. Kissinger thought that Nixon's greatest liability was that "he had never been loved" I think this is a bit glib. But its true Nixon didn't trust people to be fair to him. He was cheated out of his mothers love due to his Mom caring for others when he was a baby, and his grandma who took over responded to his cries by crying out loud herself. Very strange.
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@CounterCultureLives BTW Nixon himself HATED this kind of Psychobabble, but I think I fully understand his feelings in this matter. Nixon had little talent for understanding people, therefore friendships were rare, often too difficult to maintain, draining. Friendship is give and take, Nixons relationships often appear one-sided. Those were the ones that worked best for him because he had OTHER concerns, his career trumped everything. There it is again, the narrow focus of aspergers.
MrWhadayaknow 2 weeks ago
@CounterCultureLives Read 30+ books on Nixon, written by every conceivable friend, foe & family member, even the most recent, WHICH I don't reccommend BTW. Having read all these other books on Nixon, AND listened to the tapes, I know the author is a slanderous Hack trying to make a quick buck. I've even contacted the former director of the Nixon library, his knowledge of Nixon is extensive. it's time to extinguish the public auto-de-fe of Nixon and his family. The public should demand it
MrWhadayaknow 2 weeks ago
@CounterCultureLives John Mitchell never capitalized on his relationship to Nixon with a book. But he understood Nixon, Martha Mitchell wrote her book on Nixon and it's quite clear she didn't. But then Nixon failed to give her the attention that the grandstanding Martha demanded. No two were more likely not to get along, though I would say that Nixon at least tried. But Martha was just too needy and bizarre for Nixon, she thought she should come first before her husbands (Mitchells) career.
MrWhadayaknow 2 weeks ago
@MrWhadayaknow Regarding RMN's "enemies", he was keenly focused upon vanquishing them. Ironically, if he had been willing to allow others to see the more human side of himself, he would have disarmed his enemies.
Remember the debate between Ronald Reagan and Walter Mondale?? Where Reagan was asked if his age would impede his capacity to govern?? Reagan could not have handled that better. Walter Mondale later said that that was the very moment that won Reagan re-election.
CounterCultureLives 2 weeks ago
An enigma to some, not so much to others. Nixon was a very considerate person, that picture has been fully obscured.The liberal media, I used to be liberal myself, doesn't want to give him any credit, so all the old lies are repeated. Nixon was not so complicated really, John Mitchell once said that Nixon was less complicated than his 6 year old grandson. Nixon was a man who felt criticism very deeply and felt justified to strike back with all his might. If you liked him however, you were in.
MrWhadayaknow 2 weeks ago
one question RMN was never asked, that i really wish that someone had asked him:
"When the helicopter lifted off the White House lawn, or while you were aboard Air Force One for the last time, was there some part of you, at some point, that was glad that it was all over??"
CounterCultureLives 5 months ago
@CounterCultureLives You're mistaken, it wasn't all over, it still isn't. He knew that he would never be left alone. Read Exile by Anson, for a better understanding of Nixon's post resignation Hell.
MrWhadayaknow 2 weeks ago
@MrWhadayaknow I think you're missing my point. I'm asking a question, not making a statement.
There's no doubt that at the times that followed RMN's departure from The White House were extremely difficult. He nearly died from phlebitis and other complications. He also had serious legal and financial problems to deal with.
CounterCultureLives 2 weeks ago
@CounterCultureLives I'm correcting your misapprehension. Nixon KNEW they would NEVER stop persecuting him. They disbarred him and tried to take away all the privileges due to a former President, They even tried to charge him for the flight back to El Toro and San Clemente. Its sad how little people know about this man, and how ready they all are to believe lies. Yes, I know he nearly died from Phlebitis, a nurse is credited with bringing him back from the brink of death.
MrWhadayaknow 2 weeks ago
@MrWhadayaknow I understand what you are saying; my point focuses upon those events and time frames that led up to his resignation. No question that more troubles would follow.
Speaking as a former Republican turned Democrat, I can tell you that there are many Democrats who do not see him as the villain he was once considered to be. They now recognize his depths of intelligence and see him as a foreign policy genius.
CounterCultureLives 2 weeks ago
@CounterCultureLives Interesting, I am a former Democrat, turned Republican. As recent as the last election in fact, I voted for Obama. Now, I cannot countenance the Democratic party and their goals. Nixon was in essence a very good man, he had some mean thoughts regarding minorities, on occassion, I think we all do. but I have heard his over arching concern, this on tape, that no one should be treated unjustly due to their race, gender or religion, yet the liberals demonize him still.
MrWhadayaknow 2 weeks ago
@MrWhadayaknow I do share you're disappointment with the Democratic party. There will be extremists in every faction of politics, from both sides of the spectrum.
The liberals that I know are much more fair minded in their retrospectives of Nixon, particularly in understanding the complications of getting us out of Vietnam. Getting out was much easier said than done. They see him as an incredibly intelligent, but deeply flawed man.
CounterCultureLives 2 weeks ago
@CounterCultureLives Nixon really seemed to be in between the two parties in many ways. I think Nixon was socially inept, perhaps he had aspergers syndrome, he had difficulties relating to people, I think his flaws came from his inability to identify with his opponents, so often he went too far, but not all of Nixons heavy handed tactics came from Nixon himself, some of his "flaws" were compounded by over eager accomplices who felt they had a free hand to do whatever is needed.
MrWhadayaknow 2 weeks ago
@MrWhadayaknow I agree. It seems that he actually preferred working with the Dixiecrats more than he did the Republicans. Many "liberal" programs, such as the EPA and the cancer initiative, began under his administration. RMN's tenure in The oval Office is, in that respect, something of an enigma.
CounterCultureLives 2 weeks ago
@CounterCultureLives yet at the same time Nixon could be quite sympathetic, but only it seems when it was a situation with which he could identify. He was always sympathetic of people who lost elections, I think only because it impacted him so very deeply. I really believe that Nixon was robbed of the 1960 election. HAD that NOT happened, Nixon might NOT have been SO OBSESSIVE about countering any possible eventuality during the 1972 election.
MrWhadayaknow 2 weeks ago
@CounterCultureLives that's not to say that you are ignorant of him, I just want people to know that Nixon was severly punished THROUGHOUT his life, and it still continues to this day. If only those who persecute this man could understand their own sin in dealing so unfairly with his memory. Their punishment awaits them in the hereafter.
MrWhadayaknow 2 weeks ago
@MrWhadayaknow (Pt.2) The point that I'm focusing upon was that RMN's administration had collapsed before his resignation. By the time he announced his resignation, what he had left was in essence, a cracked shell; his power to govern was already gone.
So, given those circumstances, I'm left to wonder if RMN was, at some level, relieved that that particular chapter was finally over. That's not to suggest that his ordeals were all over; obviously, they weren't.
CounterCultureLives 2 weeks ago
@CounterCultureLives I doubt it, he was handed no other alternative, his inability to fight on left him vulnerable beyond anything he was prepared to accept. Never had he been so powerless and at the mercy of others, particularly his enemies. I sincerely doubt he was relieved. I think that is well evidenced by his physical breakdown a month or so from the resignation.
MrWhadayaknow 2 weeks ago
@MrWhadayaknow You make some good points, but those problems were going to be there to be dealt with, whether he remained in office or not. I can only wonder, but given his situation and his lack of alternatives, it seems that remaining in office would have only compounded those problems.
Had he not left office, I'm left to wonder if he would have lived through the medical complications that he was destined to face. I doubt he could have lived through impeachment proceedings.
CounterCultureLives 2 weeks ago
@CounterCultureLives I don't know, he really was given no choice, we all felt that Bush Sr. gave him his marching orders and Nixon didn't want to harm the party or further harm the country. He accepted his guilt but had little appetite for a public declaration of such. Interesting still is Nixon's statement to Diane Sawyer after she presented a paper to him explaining Watergate, he told her he never before quite understood the entire Watergate picture.
MrWhadayaknow 2 weeks ago
@MrWhadayaknow I've watched the Y/T vid of the minutes before his resignation speech. I find it interesting, because we see the "unstarched", more personal, and more human side of Richard Nixon.
This was a part of Nixon that, for some reason(s), he didn't want other people to see. I find that to be rather ironic, because I believe that if he had shown that part of himself to the American people, he might well have survived Watergate.
CounterCultureLives 2 weeks ago
@CounterCultureLives I think Nixon was essentially a very open person at one time, people who are open often find that such openess is a mistake, as one time friends often betray such confidence. Nixon felt very keenly every attack and every criticism. No doubt he considered these attacks from people he had trusted very hurtful. I believe he stopped trusting people, particularly the media & built a wall. I'm not surprised, given the propensity of the media to misread and misquote.
MrWhadayaknow 2 weeks ago
@MrWhadayaknow Your observations are most interesting, and accurate. What I fin so ironic is that he was such as skilled politician, yet he let the more trivial issues get to him. you are absolutely correct that Nixon built walls, but what is so sad is that he would have been far more successful at building bridges.
As far as the media and RMN's critics?? Kind of like the coyote that howls at the big, bright, full moon. The coyote can howl, but the moon will keep right on shining.
CounterCultureLives 2 weeks ago
@CounterCultureLives Thats where I think the aspergers comes in. Its a hunch of mine and just speculation. But I have a brother who has it and I do as well. My brother is the sort of guy that if you punched him in the arm he would powerdrive you into the wall. But he is very sensitive in other ways, but never had much luck understanding people or their motivations. I understand people more, but I keep to myself, its less draining.
MrWhadayaknow 2 weeks ago
@CounterCultureLives I like that, thats a great comment howling at the moon that just keeps shining! Another habit of people with aspergers is to have narrow interests and to talk about things without caring or noticing if people have lost interest. John ehrlichman has said of Nixon, if he goes to the beach, you won't find him building sandcastles, he is always thinking or working on the matters of his office.
MrWhadayaknow 2 weeks ago
@MrWhadayaknow About Nixon though, the media makes much of his anti-semetic comments and racist ones as well, Yet some of the people who liked him best were from these groups! but I think these kinds of fleeting, and unworthy sentiments have crossed all our minds, but as Nixon has said, our better natures take over. I have HEARD Nixon talk about what is RIGHT! And that no ONE should be denied opportunity to go as high as their abilities can propel them.
MrWhadayaknow 2 weeks ago
@MrWhadayaknow Wrote: "John ehrlichman has said of Nixon, if he goes to the beach, you won't find him building sandcastles, he is always thinking or working on the matters of his office."
Methinks Ehrlichman was absolutely correct, but it's sad. Sometimes, dropping back and building sand castles, or flying a kite, or just laying back and watching the clouds can help clear the mind of clutter, and gain new or clearer perspectives. Too bad (and, quite sad) RMN couldn't grasp that.
CounterCultureLives 2 weeks ago
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MrWhadayaknow 2 weeks ago
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@CounterCultureLives Well, coming from the hardscrabble background that he did, I don't think he never took the presidency for granted, especially having lost the 1960 election in the way that he had. Most scholars suspect election tampering by the Kennedy team. His past experiences battling enemies had to have kept him on his toes. I think he didn't want to be complacent, but instead stayed vigilant and "tuned in" to the matters at hand
MrWhadayaknow 2 weeks ago
@CounterCultureLives After leaving office Nixon mellowed and felt free to relax, to be less worried about the media. In his later years, away from the White House he and his wife enjoyed happier less troubled times. I have read over 30 books on the man, by friends, enemies and everyone in between. And listening to the tapes is very enlightening! Go to the Nixon Library for a full spectrum of his conversations. From them I see a picture, quite complete, of a man who was indeed "One of us".
MrWhadayaknow 2 weeks ago
In the speech Nixon invoked Teddy Roosevelt. Teddy's first wife died shortly after giving birth to Teddy's daughter Alice Roosevelt. Further the same week that Teddy lost his wife, his mother also died. A double whammy. Alice Roosevelt Longworth (she married Senator Longworth) was still alive at the time of this speech. She was reportedly furious at Nixon for mentioning her father's loss of her mom and grandmother. She was offended that a disgraced President would invoke her father.
ajb1776 9 months ago
@ajb1776 I doubt that VERY much, Alice was a friend of Nixon's and sat at his table quite often, they were quite fond of one another. What is your source?
MrWhadayaknow 2 weeks ago
it was a year ago that I left the above comment.........This is still a gem!!!!
For those commenting on Nixon........watch the stone and the glass house!!!!!
kevcas73 1 year ago
Why couldn't we have booted Bush's sorry ass out of office?
copraiders1 1 year ago
Richard Nixon: Last liberal Republican President.
Theblizzardking 1 year ago
His self-righteousness is absolutely Olympian
Every person he quotes is deferential to his noble vitues, every story he tells ends with someone telling him how amazed they are by his great integrity and honour
Maybe that was part of his problem during Watergate
he thought his own shit didnt stink until it was too late and it hit the fan
grai 1 year ago
@grai maybe the problem is snively weak assholes like you
greeniem 1 year ago
@greeniem whats your problem? You like he is? is that whats bothering you?
you a self-righteous religious idiot like Nixon?
you sure talk like one
grai 1 year ago
@grai you nutty rat prick. DO NOT TALK TO ME unles you address me as "sir' first ok? Thanks :)
greeniem 1 year ago
@grai I'm starting to see why conservatives dislike liberals. Since when did Nixon legislate from the Book of God? He constantly criticized the Religious Right.
MIKESOWELL 10 months ago
@grai His name will be spoken centuries from now. You will never be know beyond your little circle of friends.
MIKESOWELL 10 months ago
@MIKESOWELL you will be forgotten too - I suppose you forgot that
grai 9 months ago
@grai Not if I have anything to do with it. In ten years you will know my name very well.
MIKESOWELL 9 months ago
@MIKESOWELL me too
grai 9 months ago
@grai Good. Let's run for President and Vice-President.
MIKESOWELL 9 months ago
This country lost a great leader, a man Wise beyond his years. This President would have stopped the cold war and put America in a strong leadership position in the world.
He was truly misunderstood.
Skynyrdbrothersband 2 years ago 8
Richard Nixon may have been "bad", but the only difference is Nixon got caught. He was a good man, a bad politician, but a good man. And I miss him.
07yensid 2 years ago 6
He caused so many people to suffer and he knows it..This a shakespearian tragedy..Unfortunately O Stone aint William S..
C0NTR4B455 2 years ago
No question that he did great things as President but the fact that he ordered a coverup makes him more tragic than great. He abused his power and lied to the American public. the unfortunate part is that he was a very intelligent man, more so than Johnson, Kennedy, Ford, Carter or Reagan. He could have been the greatest President we ever had.
Paulmancieri67 2 years ago
The fact is that RMN was guilty of nothing that his predecessors had not done, but the "{unwritten rules" which had permitted covert White House operations had changed, and Nixon was too isolated from the social revolutions to understand that.
We were at critical junctions in dealing with Vietnam, China, and the Soviets. Nixon saw Watergate was a petty distraction.
History has recorded his accomplishments.
Outlaw1257 2 years ago 2
Yes but his acts were criminal. Because his predecessors may have done something illegal does not absolve him of his crimes. His abandonment of the law in trying to coverup Watergate was criminal.
Paulmancieri67 2 years ago
True, but the problem here is that presidents of both political parties have been guilty of crimes far worse than Watergate.
Seems a wee bit hypocritical to go after Nixon when JFK and LBJ were parties to scandals that were, up to that time, successfully executed and covered up.
Did RMN handle Watergate properly?? Even Nixon has conceded that he mishandled it.
Outlaw1257 2 years ago
I think you are right. Kennedy and LBJ were both corrupt and allowed their ambition to blind their duty. They allowed the foundation for future Presidents to mishandle the office.
Nixon's cover up (or attempt to cover up) his mis deeds was his downfall.
I do think it was hypocritical to go after Nixon and not LBJ and Kennedy, with the caveat that it was right to go after Nixon and wrong to leave the other two alone.
Paulmancieri67 2 years ago
What I find so incredibly ironic is that there was not a Democratic candidate who could have defeated Nixon in 1972. Nixon's approval ratings were incredibly high.
When I listen to "the smoking gun" tape, I don't hear a President orchestrating a cover-up; I here a President who is, in essence, "shooing away" a gnat in his ear.
Given the stakes this nation was dealing with, I don't really blame him.
BTW, I'm a liberal Democrat.
Outlaw1257 2 years ago 3
Paulmancieri67 Wrote:
"I do think it was hypocritical to go after Nixon and not LBJ and Kennedy, with the caveat that it was right to go after Nixon and wrong to leave the other two alone."
Another irony to the Watergate scandal is that the "seeds of scandal" that laid the groundwork for Watergate was the break-in at the office of Daniel Ellsberg's psychiatrist, after Ellsberg leaked The Pentagon Papers.
Nixon was angry over the embarrassment it caused LBJ. Nixon and LBJ were close friends.
Outlaw1257 2 years ago
Paulmancier67 Wrote:
"I do think it was hypocritical to go after Nixon and not LBJ and Kennedy, with the caveat that it was right to go after Nixon and wrong to leave the other two alone."
There really was no way that RMN or his administration could have gone after either JFK or LBJ. JFK was assassinated, so any POTUS who's administration would go after him would have committed political suicide.
LBJ died shortly after the inauguration of 1973; that would have been very tawdry spectacle.
Outlaw1257 2 years ago
True but why should he be forever be vilified by the liberal national media when Johnson who was just as crooked and destroyed the country is reconsidered as a great president by the contemporary media?
armani11280 2 years ago
Well again, Nixon's wrongs (and there are many) should not be excused simply because another Presidents are overlooked. You are correct in that Johnson was a disaster as President. His buildup of the war and the Great Society program were but two examples of unnecessary government buildup.
Not speaking for anyone else but I don't see a lot of love given to Johnson as President.....he seems to me to be more ignored than anything else. His
Paulmancieri67 2 years ago
To err is human, to forgive divine. America these comments should be a wakeup call. Become human again.
majesty657 2 years ago 2
No. We should be watchful of men who abuse power (as Nixon did). What Nixon did was criminal. The President is not above the law and in trying to coverup Watergate that is exactly what he did. He knew better and he did not err.....he willfully broke the law.
Paulmancieri67 2 years ago
@Paulmancieri67 It's criminal to steal pens and pencils from your workplace, but I bet you do that, don't you?
MIKESOWELL 10 months ago
Amen. Majesty657!! I'm a Liberal Democrat, and I will readily acknowledge that Nixon was a foreign policy genius, an incredibly intelligent President, but a very flawed man.
One thing that must be recorded to Nixon's credit: There was never an "X" in Nixon.
Outlaw1257 2 years ago
Unfortunately Nixon was his own worst enemy.
vccstudents 2 years ago 2
one of the greatest speeches from a President of all time! Given the circumstances surrounding him, without notes, from the heart, this is the REAL Nixon. No excuses because he was wrong but what a speech!!
kajes5 2 years ago 18
history will disolve him
kohprush 2 years ago
like an aspirin
Blongers1 2 years ago
People complain that he was a crook, but how does that seperate him from almost every other politician?
presleyj1 2 years ago 10
@presleyj1
he got caught!!!
grettoz 1 year ago
A un-prosecuted felon. If it were you, then you would have gone to prison.
adamfitch1 2 years ago
Then what was President Clinton, who DID get impeached and was disbarred by his own state?
twieneke76 2 years ago
You and I weren't President of the United States. How can you possibly comprehend what it's like to hold that office? Nixon screwed up, but he also accomplished much. How do you plan to change the world?
titans0002 2 years ago
Nixon accomplished what exactly? He is responsible for one the greatest genocides of the modern era in Cambodia, he carpet bombed innocent civilians until they hated America, all he ever offered was fear and hate, just like all republicans
Blongers1 2 years ago
Pin-pong diplomacu with china, one of the greatest economic expansions in the history of the usa, and belibed or not, he ended vietnam, not becuase public pressure, but becuase he grab the bull by the horns, if you had leve it to the democrats probably it wouldnt had ended in 1973 but much more later.
megatherium100 2 years ago
how is he responsible for cambodia exactly?
grimjob69 2 years ago
What am I your history teacher go and fucking read it up
Blongers1 2 years ago
I have read it up douche bag.... Nixons secret bombings of North Vietnamese positions in Cambodia did very little if anything to help the Khemer Rouge. They didnt come to power until 1975...and Nixon was long gone then. In fact... the the democratically controlled congress didnt cut so much funding to the war...the US may have even been able to prevent Cambodia...and certainly would have prevented the fall of Saigon. Nixon was the greatest president since FDR
grimjob69 2 years ago
Thats a completely biased view
Blongers1 2 years ago
everything ive said, other than my opinions of the fall of saigon and him being a great president, which is obviously opinion, is fact. Take it for what it is, read the facts and make your own opinion. Ive formed mine
grimjob69 2 years ago
Your empire lasted about 1/8th as long as the British Empire, hahahaha, Suck China's dick.
Blongers1 2 years ago
the lib-historians are fond of blaming the Khmer Rouge take-over on Nixon's order for a carpet-bombing. the Viet-Cong were the first to invade neutralist Cambodia but, as usual, Nixon got the blame.
chuckcolson 2 years ago
Exacly the point he was not you or me ( he was a president) There is and will always be a differance..
TruthorDare21 2 years ago
I agree completely, I just take issue with the 'justice is blind' and 'equality under the law' which is not the case in this country. OJ Simpson would have gone to jail had he been poor. Justice is expensive.
adamfitch1 2 years ago 4
I suppose Mr. Nixon was a 'crook' but he was also many other things, like most of us. I do believe that he meant to do the best for the US. Mr. Nixon's sins were under the international media scope, unlike ours. I believe Mr. Nixon was sincere in this speech. Yes, Mr. Nixon could have apologized for his wrongdoing; he should have. He was concerned, like most of us, about doing jail time. Was his sin that great? I hope not, or we are all in trouble.
michaels7 3 years ago
He was a great president and I am a black woman ....I loved President Nixon.....
beingcb 3 years ago 9
I agree.
mynameisjim93 3 years ago
Many people did die because of his actions. Don't forget that.
ocean3da 3 years ago
You have a point Ocean, but this would be true in one way or another of most of the presidents during the 20th century.
rmm413c 3 years ago
@rmm413c and that's somehow okay?
jpwjr1199 1 year ago
@ocean3da What a idiotic statement to make. Several presidents, even great ones, have made actions that caused the deaths of people. EXAMPLE: Bush invading Iraq, Lincoln's Civil War, Lyndon Johnson going into Vietnam, Obama sending more troops to Aghanistan, Clinton failing to intervene in Rwanda, Roosevelt entering World War 2, Truman dropping the bomb, Reagan for sending Marines into Beruit. Many Presidents have blood on their hands, not just Nixon. Don't forget that.
FREAKNIZZLE100 1 year ago
@FREAKNIZZLE100
Rwanda was not Clinton's or America's problems, it had nothing to do with America's national security interests. All governments past and future have their interests in crude oil.
Better known as peak oil.
History is history.
ocean3da 1 year ago
@FREAKNIZZLE100 And don't forget Hoover sending in the federal troops to shut down the protesters (Bonus Army) in 1932 resulting in many deaths.
MIKESOWELL 10 months ago
one of the great presidents we had in American history. people gonna say he's not, but history gonna approve what is right and great.
IloveUSA1941 3 years ago 2
your correct. People always remember President Nixon for watergate and they forget about the great foreign policies he instituted, the jobs he created and the great state the nation was in by the time he left. I used to criticize President Nixon then I saw Nixon a Presidency revealed. He did so much for the country he loved and he will eventually be remembered as a good president
regalcin03 3 years ago 5
I've listened to this interview many times on audio and it's good to see it on video. Very touching
Skylab1977 3 years ago 3
yeah, it did some wrong things but can you imagine what it would be like for a man to lose all that he did and still go on? wow. what strengh!
rozcui 3 years ago 7
This comment has received too many negative votes show
'it' being the operative word. Nixon was cockroach who was unrepentant and untried. A un-prosecuted felon who attempted to divert the legal process.
adamfitch1 3 years ago
No, Nixon and Clinton were easily the best Presidents since Truman, no question about it. It ended tragically for both of them. They were both great men who did stupid things. Both were born to be President and had all the skills to be great. Both had bitter enemies both in the media and among their political opponents.
You Barack Hussein Obama supporters just don't stop do you? BHO got there not through merit, but because of celebrity, despicable media bias and unusually dumb luck.
carrieyazel 3 years ago
Cambodia, Ellsberg, 'tell the FBI not to go into this case any further...PERIOD' Watergate, sure biased media.
adamfitch1 3 years ago
Two wars, an ECONOMIC CRISIS, gasoline at five dollars a gallon and its unusually dumb luck. you should get your own radio program your totally out of touch
adamfitch1 3 years ago
Carrieyazel:
Careful with the BHO comments. I am a strong supporter of Barack, and with the exception of your slam against Obama & his supporters, I am in agreement with you.
There are many of us GOBAMA supporters who see that Nixon's Presidency was a success in many ways. His personal demons are what brought him down, but history has recognized Nixon's successes.
Outlaw1257 3 years ago 2
You cant compare Nixons abuses of power and disastrous policies in vietnam and cambodia with Clinton getting his cock sucked
Blongers1 2 years ago
good interview. thanks for posting
pggarces 3 years ago 3