IIN the end there are so many extenuating circumstances who are the best. Evert and Navratilova won the same number of Grand Slams singles titles. It was almost fated.
Oh, and too the point about who is better....if you won more of your matches, than any other player who ever played the game, wouldn't you think THAT person is history's best? She won more French titles male or female (everyone concedes is the hardest GS), more US Open matches male or female (101 wins) was in more grand slam semi's male or female, more consecutive matches on a single surface, clay (125) male or female...face it....she was, with out peer or prejudice, the single best player EVER
I had the complete luck to be in the stadium that day...super saturday...it was a hell of a day. There was something in the air that day, that most people that we chatted with in the stands thought it just might be Chris's day...and then, when she won that first set....the cheering was so unbelievably loud and supportive of Chris...it was hysteria! Though I was slightly worried when I saw her in Red...blue and red dresses never seemed lucky for her like yellow and pink...look at past wins 2c
I was just watching a clip of the 82' semi final at Wimbledon with Chris vs Billie-Jean. Amazing how much work Chris had done n her physical conditioning in the 2 years to here. Looks like a totally different physique and after having played for so many years, it showed what a unique champion she was that she was prepared to change herself to keep up.
Chrissie definately should have won this match. These 2 women were totally amazing, their classic 3 set battles will always be remembered by everyone.What contrasting styles these 2 women had. Chrissie had grace and glamour with precision shot making with a brilliant tennis mind and Martina had sheer power and what an athlete! In my opinion the 2 greatest the world has ever seen. Their match entertainment value has never been (and will never be) rivalled. Tennis royalty!
Chris had improved but she still wasn't quite good enough at this point to beat Martina. You knew Martina would win but you also knew it would be close.
the Chris here of 84 plays much hareder and with a lot more power than the chris of say 78-79. She definately raised her game and if she hadnt martina would have surely won EVERYTHING which would have been a bad thing. Tennis needed great rivalries
i'm sure i don't need to remind of the thrashings chris gave martina prior to 84? agreed, martina was the best player 83 wimby on until mid 87 when graf took over, chris had of course been playing since 71 at that point, 12 years in once martina finally pulled herself together.
mid 87 huh?navratilova beat graf in the wimbledon finals and the us open finals in 87 and she very nearly beat her at the french open final too her worst surface so graf didnt take over in 87 she took over only one year in 88 till seles came along.
you are right. it was really 88. of course the only two tourneys martina won in 87 were were the open and the championships (which granted in history are what count) graf won pretty much everything else week in week out. listen, i'm a huge martina fan. i just think her dominance gets a bit overrated (it was short relatively speaking) and chris gets the shaft for not having as spectacular a game (and people forget she was just as dominant in the 70s as martina was in the mid 80s)
@sftom1970 As Al Smith used to say,"Let's look at the record." Who won the most tournaments? Martina. Who won the most Grand Slam titles? Martina. Who won grand slams in singles and doubles ( the latter two years in a row together with Pam Shriver)? Martina. Who won the most Grand Slam titles in mixed doubles? Martina.Who "should" have won this match? I don't know. Who DID win this match? Martina. But, you're tight; her dominance is totally overrated.
chrissie by here own admission admitted she choked at this match. she came so close but don't forget martina choked at the aussie later in the year, lost the slam, chris went on to win the aussie and then beat martina in their brilliant classic final at the french that following spring. after that their record was much more balanced in wins/losses (with props to martina for playing slightly better when they met at the slams from wimby 85 on to the end of chris's career)
@sftom1970 martina beat Chris in every Wimbledon final they ever played. This match here was tragic. Chris was playing the tennis of her life, the whole crowd was behind her, Martina was really having an off day, but in the end Chris just didn't couldn't shut the door on her opponent. She somehow didn't believe that she could beat Martina. A lot of that rivalry (the balance, in the end, going clearly to Martina) was mental.
Huge game at 4-3, with Martina 0-30. Chris said later she felt she wanted to win this match so much that when it came to the biggest points she got nervous and made mistakes, which is not something she normally did in such situations.
love the close-ups mid rally. half expect it to go all matrix stylee on our asses- slow down and zoom in and then circle all around...
MrTonyInchpractice 11 months ago
IIN the end there are so many extenuating circumstances who are the best. Evert and Navratilova won the same number of Grand Slams singles titles. It was almost fated.
johnblacklovesmar 1 year ago
Oh, and too the point about who is better....if you won more of your matches, than any other player who ever played the game, wouldn't you think THAT person is history's best? She won more French titles male or female (everyone concedes is the hardest GS), more US Open matches male or female (101 wins) was in more grand slam semi's male or female, more consecutive matches on a single surface, clay (125) male or female...face it....she was, with out peer or prejudice, the single best player EVER
mor2thepnt 1 year ago
I had the complete luck to be in the stadium that day...super saturday...it was a hell of a day. There was something in the air that day, that most people that we chatted with in the stands thought it just might be Chris's day...and then, when she won that first set....the cheering was so unbelievably loud and supportive of Chris...it was hysteria! Though I was slightly worried when I saw her in Red...blue and red dresses never seemed lucky for her like yellow and pink...look at past wins 2c
mor2thepnt 1 year ago
I was just watching a clip of the 82' semi final at Wimbledon with Chris vs Billie-Jean. Amazing how much work Chris had done n her physical conditioning in the 2 years to here. Looks like a totally different physique and after having played for so many years, it showed what a unique champion she was that she was prepared to change herself to keep up.
mjtsmm2027 1 year ago
chris.had.this.one
iamanabba 1 year ago
Chrissie definately should have won this match. These 2 women were totally amazing, their classic 3 set battles will always be remembered by everyone.What contrasting styles these 2 women had. Chrissie had grace and glamour with precision shot making with a brilliant tennis mind and Martina had sheer power and what an athlete! In my opinion the 2 greatest the world has ever seen. Their match entertainment value has never been (and will never be) rivalled. Tennis royalty!
1976reef 2 years ago 2
Chris had improved but she still wasn't quite good enough at this point to beat Martina. You knew Martina would win but you also knew it would be close.
seaside145 2 years ago
the Chris here of 84 plays much hareder and with a lot more power than the chris of say 78-79. She definately raised her game and if she hadnt martina would have surely won EVERYTHING which would have been a bad thing. Tennis needed great rivalries
kangaroosbraun 2 years ago
This was one, of the best lady rivalries in the history of tennis. Bravo Chrissy and Martina!!!
LoosyLipsMcGee 2 years ago
Women's tennis is horrible these days!! These two were competitors, the kind you won't see again!!
Kallytom 2 years ago
i'm sure i don't need to remind of the thrashings chris gave martina prior to 84? agreed, martina was the best player 83 wimby on until mid 87 when graf took over, chris had of course been playing since 71 at that point, 12 years in once martina finally pulled herself together.
sftom1970 2 years ago 2
mid 87 huh?navratilova beat graf in the wimbledon finals and the us open finals in 87 and she very nearly beat her at the french open final too her worst surface so graf didnt take over in 87 she took over only one year in 88 till seles came along.
jayfey77 2 years ago
you are right. it was really 88. of course the only two tourneys martina won in 87 were were the open and the championships (which granted in history are what count) graf won pretty much everything else week in week out. listen, i'm a huge martina fan. i just think her dominance gets a bit overrated (it was short relatively speaking) and chris gets the shaft for not having as spectacular a game (and people forget she was just as dominant in the 70s as martina was in the mid 80s)
sftom1970 2 years ago
@sftom1970 As Al Smith used to say,"Let's look at the record." Who won the most tournaments? Martina. Who won the most Grand Slam titles? Martina. Who won grand slams in singles and doubles ( the latter two years in a row together with Pam Shriver)? Martina. Who won the most Grand Slam titles in mixed doubles? Martina.Who "should" have won this match? I don't know. Who DID win this match? Martina. But, you're tight; her dominance is totally overrated.
assindiastignani 1 year ago
one of the few chokes of everts career....i love her, but she gagged at the end..she should have won this in straight sets...
chrisrei10 2 years ago
I agree. She could taste it.
johnblacklovesmar 2 years ago
chrissie by here own admission admitted she choked at this match. she came so close but don't forget martina choked at the aussie later in the year, lost the slam, chris went on to win the aussie and then beat martina in their brilliant classic final at the french that following spring. after that their record was much more balanced in wins/losses (with props to martina for playing slightly better when they met at the slams from wimby 85 on to the end of chris's career)
sftom1970 2 years ago
Well said! Chris couldn't look Martina in the eye at the end as she knew she should have won it. :-p
Peteypooooo 2 years ago
@sftom1970 martina beat Chris in every Wimbledon final they ever played. This match here was tragic. Chris was playing the tennis of her life, the whole crowd was behind her, Martina was really having an off day, but in the end Chris just didn't couldn't shut the door on her opponent. She somehow didn't believe that she could beat Martina. A lot of that rivalry (the balance, in the end, going clearly to Martina) was mental.
assindiastignani 1 year ago
Martina was so sloppy through a lot of this match. It really looked like she was a million miles away and was having problems concentrating.
zephyruk 2 years ago
She had to fight the crowd and was distracted.
univernewie 2 years ago
Huge game at 4-3, with Martina 0-30. Chris said later she felt she wanted to win this match so much that when it came to the biggest points she got nervous and made mistakes, which is not something she normally did in such situations.
newmark401 2 years ago
I love Virginia Wade's commentary!
RaleighNC306 3 years ago
evert looking hot
angryniggah 3 years ago