And I hope you are not seriously suggesting that homeopathic remedies are clathrates, because looking at them under a scanning electrong microscope will show you what the van der waals forces are not structurally organized in a manner consistent with what appears to be your assertions. I'm not sure which dubious medical journals you read, but your articles are hopelessly outnumbered by studies which significantly discredit them. I'm sure you already know that.
Real is scientific homeopathy. It cures even when Conventional Allopathic Medicine (CAM) fails. Evidence-based modern homeopathy is a nano-medicine bringing big results for everyone
Can you distinguish between "homeopathic water" and "plain water”? I can tell you which is "radioactive water" and which is “plain water" with a giger counter !
@chats0 HOw do you know its a legally binding contract? Can you show me one case where he's signed it? It says right on his own site that he never has. Got any more stupid lies you'd like to spread? This is the same typical drill with you skeptards. You can never leave it to just asking a simple, reasonable question, which you did, and I answered. You have to start hallucinating, making things up about that phony "challenge." And you're the one who thinks he's science on his side?
As it happens I know something of American contract law.
The basic rule is that you need an “offer” (i.e. the million dollar challenge) and an “acceptance” (i.e. YOU proving your point) . It does NOT have to be in writing !.
@chats0 This is the third time today someone has bragged "I know something." No wonder Randi has so many devoted followers.
Look, wiseguy, I applied for Randi's phony "challenge" 10 years ago. When he backed out of the "negotiations" I took the app to an attorney < the challenge is a unilateral offer, like a greased pole contest. Some one shows up with cleats, the offer is withdrawn. It has more outs than a Swiss cheese sandwich. Randi is the sole manager of it and has never signed it.
@chats0 I think he just wanted me to go away. He kept writing to me to "get on with it" & "quit stalling." It had to be one of the most frustrating experiences of my life. I've seen him pull the same crap with other people. Art Bell told me he would stall. All I wanted from him was a test date and place. He never would give me one. It took a lot of wrangling by others to just get him to admit he'd rec'd my ap, but then he said he wanted to test Benveniste, until Josephson told him no.
sorry, I didn’t understand the last sentence in your answer:
"It took a lot of wrangling by others to just get him to admit he'd rec'd my ap, but then he said he wanted to test Benveniste, until Josephson told him no."
@chats0 Nobel prize winner Brian Josephson was supporting Jacques Benveniste, who had REPLICATED a bichemical test for homeopathy, which Randi & Sir John Maddox claimed to have debunked. So when I presented a binary ID protocol to Randi, he stalled on it, explicitly claiming that that I was small fry & he was after bigger fish: he wanted to test Benveniste/Josephson, who he said applied. Syd Baumel wrote to J. to confirm: Randi was lying, and sent back to me. He then broke off negs. with me.
Well as Mr. Benveniste has since died, is Mr. Josephson, taken or attempted to take the “million dollar challenge” ?, as a physicist, did he personally test “water memory” ?
@chats0 You''re kidding, right? You don't want believe Randii's a fake. Anyone who has any sense about it knows its not a valid offer. Its not contractable. That's why he won't sign it. It's not a legal offer, its a publicity stunt. Why would a Nobel prize laureate lower himself to arguing endlessly with a high school drop out who's only goal is to aggrandize himself by humiliating him? Go back to your Legos.
@chats0 The answer to your second question is I don't know. I'm sick enough of hearing people tell me what is I want and think, it certianly doesn't fit my philosophy to say what others want. But anyone can speculate what would happen to doctors if people stopped getting sick. Would the doctors start to get sick? Maybe that's the real reason we go to dcotors, so they cna make a living and don't get sick and die from neglect. Patent pharmaceuticals are the world's biggest money making biz.
Happy New Year to you too.you know what you sir with no dout should go to the real time with bill maher show in L.A. mr.bil maher is againts pharma drugs, every friday live he has a panel of 3 talking about good for manking
I don't think so, but I've heard that it is a little hard to digest for some people . . and I've heard that GOAT's MILK is the best food on the planet, especially when its made into yogurt.
@Bandershot, well i heard it from dr. brian from the hippocrates institute and he said goat milk should only be consume when the mother refuses to feed her goat. have you heard of dr. brian?
Yeah, Ig ot medical knowledge. I'm a neuro surgeon. I specialize in petrified brains, like yours. Unfortunately for you there's not much hope. If the fish don't mind, I'd suggest you rent your head out for a boat anchor.
@Bandershot ok if milk is bad for you then why do babys get feed with it? & you never hear them getting sick right?oh & my buddy dont want to listen that he might avoid his rupture knee tendon surgery by a little acupuncture & herbal remedies what should i do?
Well tell your buddy to tell his doctor to stuff it and go get a real job. Go find an MD that knows about this stuff. I kow an orthopedic surgeon who uses it. Where does he live? Or did they amputate his leg already?
@Bandershot my buddys leg still injure he dont want to listen that he could avoid sugery by acupucture & herbal remedies.oh & please stop drinking milk i heard that sure enough is poison
@Bandershot my buddys leg still injure he dont want to listen that he could avoid sugery by acupucture & herbal remedies.oh & please stop drinking milk i heard that sure enough is poison
no sir i wouldnt set you up.a buddy of mine needs knee surgery and he wants to avoid it but he went to a random surgical clinic and he asked for a homeopathy solution and the doctor laugh at him
Ruta graveolens along with the other things worked for my dog and saved me a lot of money. And he looked better in two weeks than he had in two years. Happier and healthier than ever.
I don't know because I'm not in a position to make those kinds of determinations.
i can't tell people to avoid conventional medical treatment. I have to tell people to consult a medical doctor for particular problems. What can I know of your busted knee? There are many good docs and many that are not so good. Take your pick.
But I must say that your comments look like you're trying to set me up for an entrapment. Is that what you're trying to do?
i don't know. Each case is different. The best way to find out would be to go to a medical doctor who is also experienced in the use of homeopathy to treat patients who are suffering from probelms of the type you are describing. There are a growing number of M.D.'s who use homeopathy in their practice. It would be best to consult with one of them about using homeopathy in place of surgery for any particular case.
I had a dog who had such serious tear in his tendons that he couldn't walk. The vet wanted $750 to do surgery on him.,so I took him to a naturopathic vet who had him up and running in 2 weeks using acupuncture, change in diet, shark cartillage, herbal sups & homeopathic ruta. It was one of the most amazing healings I've ever seen. So to answer your question, I'd say I don't know. I can only suggest that ideally only exp. legal practitioners can help you make the best decision about what to do.
Maybe, in some cases, homeopathy can do what surgery can not, but homeopathy is not automatically an alternative for surgery. I am thankful to good surgeons for their lifesaving work. And homeopathy can help heal surgical wounds faster than normal, and reduce scarring. Whether surgery is necessary or not is something that must be determined by competent people.
Thanks for commenting and bringing this to our attention.
While Homeopathy detractors cling to 8 FLAWED studies to discredit Homeopathy, there are over 200 well conducted clinical trials and studies done by eminent scientists and physicians around the world to prove that Homeopathy is NOT placebo effect.
Yes, you are right. The number is growing & the quality is increasing. The emminent French biochemist Benveniste, who scoffer's laughed at for his replication of the Davenas basophil degranulation test, 1st reported in Nature, whic was replicated again & again (Belon et al), has had his discovery that homeopathic remedies emit electromagnetic radiation validated by a Nobel prize winning virologist. The placebo theory for homeopathy has been destroyed by real scientists repeatedly.
And, as you have implied, skeptics often claim that hundreds of studies have proven homeopathy false, but usually can't name one. What they vaguely refer to is the Shang "metanalysis," which claimed to have reviewed 110 studies, dismissed 102 of them &concluded from the remaining eight that homeopathy is placebo. But even worse, when the Royal Homoeopath Peter Fisher asked the Shang lead pseudoscientist, Prof. Egger, to name the eight studies, Egger wouldn't say which ones they were!
Not all in vitro & non clinical tests for homeopathy have claimed positive results. Hirst claimed negative results, because there was no theory to explain what they saw; so there must have been some flaw! Yet the WItt review gave Hirst the highest possible score. The reason opponents don't mention the negative tests by name is that they'd have to review so many more that are positive. The problem is not that homeopathy doesn't work, it's that opponents just don't want it to, & yet it still does!
you mentioned that no one would drink water that had been exposed to uranium. Hasn't all water been exposed to uranium or something similarly poisonous? if homeopathy works as advertised why isn't all water poison?
The answer would be clear to you if you took the time to study the subject. H. solutions are potentized in vitro by serial succussion and dilution, and then fixed with alcohol or glycerin. Even so they can be made inert by exposure to UV, magnetic fields and heat. The process of manufacture and storage of h. solutions are obviously not found in nature. Natural conditions keep water in a constant state of change, including evaporation. H. medicines are usually kept on a shelf. Follow the links.
The underlying theory behind homeopathy, if I remember correctly, is that the water changes its structure to assume the properties of the chemicals being dissolved into it. How does the alcohol and glycerin assume the structure of the water, or does the water become trapped? You mentioned in your response that these solutions are affected by magnetic fields. How is water, which is non ferrous, affected by magnetism? if it is where in nature do you have a problem with disruptive magnetic fields
If gravity isn't a powerful magnetic field that affects materials in various degrees due to their densities, what is it? Doesn't all matter have a magnetic field around it? Didn't the proving of relativity show that gravity bends even light?
Conte et al have probably done the best magnetic studies, reported in THEORY OF HIGH DILUTIONS. Conte reports NMR detection shows that movement through gravitational fields also efffect high dilutes. Read the article by Callinan for a review of that work.
No, if you accept the commonly held definitions you can't say gravity is a type of magnetism. magnetism is created by the movement of an electric current and has north and south poles. Gravity is not associated with magnetic fields, and is not known to have north/south poles. You could of course make up your own looser definition, but that would be disingenuous.
But I am using the commonly held definition of "magnet" that includes "a person or thing that attracts" (Websters). And of course gravity is associated with a magnetic field . . the Earth's, as with all celestial bodies. If gravity isn't a type of magnetic force, what is it?
Perhaps a better way to look at homeopathic phenomena is to describe it as radioactive.
No, most many planets don't have magnetic fields, but they all have gravity. You should really have stuck with talking about homeopathy. you embarass yourself when you say things like this.
Don't tell me, you're talking to yourself again, right? If you want to learn the science behind homeoapthy, stop setting yourself up for future embarassment and read Anagnostatos' clathrate model for homeopathy, then read Structure of Liquid Water by Roy, Tiller et al with a shot of supramolecular chemistry as a chaser. You'll figure it out, but not if you keep swallowing the crap being shoveled out by three card monte dealers and high school drop outs like Randi who have made a career of it.
As best as I can now understand it, the water becomes "trapped."
There are other types of magnetic phenomena other than ferro magnetism. Homeopathy demonstrates their specificty. Check out the material sciences report re: van der Wal bonds by an interdisciplinary team in "The Structure of Liquid Water" by Roy et al. Links are in the vid description field. Tiller has some interesting things to say on the subject, as does Josephson.
Investigate it & you'll see why it sells despite the scoffing.
thank you for your response, Dr. Roy Rustum does seem to be a reputable scientist and, while I don't pretend to understand much of his study he does make it clear that the structure of water molecules is affected by an electromagntic field. you are, however, incorrect when you say there are other types of magnetism out there. Thank you for answering my question.
Some Allopathy doctors in the Finlay Institute in Cuba have done excellent use of Homeopathy prophylaxis in the prevention of Leptospirosis outbreak during hurricane season in Cuba.
It's so funny how I actually went to the Universita' di Bologna for a course I was doing in Italy. I fell in love with the Anatomy museum they had in Bologna. I didn't know that that would possibly steer me in the direction of Naturopathic Med School. Now I learn they are doing studies on homeopathic remedies there; talk about bringing me full circle! I'd love to learn homeopathy in Italy or the rest of Europe after I graduate.
Amazing if true. The French tend to be pretty healthy people, which may be attrributed to good food and wine, but they have also been at the forefront of many great discoveries, exploration, homeopathy, aviation and nuclear science.
I am a skeptic with an open mind: so I tried some of the experiments you suggested and they all had negative results, or results equal to chance.
the experiments nearly 100 years ago are not convincing as they have never been repeated under controlled conditions. Can you site any double-blind studies done under controlled circumstances that showed homeopathic cures to have results?
jcmvii- First off, given the wording of your statements and questions, I doubt that you have conducted any objective test. There have so many demonstrations of the action of potentized high dilutes that they are now labelled "evidential homeopathy." See part five for a review of one.
Perhaps if you were more specific about your protocols, your mistakes would surface. Start with stating the question hyour study is addressing. A grade school science teacher might be able to help you.
I admit my home experiment doesn't meet scientific scrutiny. But, as someone with a scientific and logical background I find it hard to believe that a high-dilute that is indistinguishable from water could have an effect different than water other than the placebo effect.
I read the studies you mention in part five and found a few flaws in methodology and result analysis. I also couldn't find any studies in which the results were reproduced. If it really works the results are reproducible.
jcmvii-Stop posing like you're some kind of an authority. You're a amateur pseudoscientist tryinhg to impress someone with his warmed over ignorance you're trying to pass off as knowledge. Produce the report of your experiements or shut up and go away.
I never claimed to be an authority on this. I freely admit that I'm not. but there are other people who are. and the general consensus of scientists is that homeopathy is a placebo and the general consensus of homeopaths is that it works, even though after nearly 200 years there's no explanation of how or why that stands up to any scrutiny.
If you're not an authority, then why are you trying to speak as one? Contrary to what you claim, meta analysis by top scientists has shown tht homeopathy is NOT a placebo. Linde, Clausius, Ramirez, et al, "Are the Clinical Effects of Homeopathy Placebo Effects? A Meta-analysis of Placebo-Controlled Trials" Lancet, September 20, 1997, 350:834-843.
But even if it was a placebo, so what? Skepticism is also a placebo. So why can't YOU allow people to pursue their beliefs as you do yours?
I'm simply looking for information and the studies I've seen suggesting evidence for homeopathy all seem to be problematic (results are non-repeatable, no double blind, results within a standard deviation). The Meta-analysis uses studies with these problems and loses some credibility.
I can allow people to pursue whatever they want. How am I stopping anyone? I just want people to know that there is another side to the story.
If Homeopathy were a placebo there are serious moral implications.
You're not here for information, you're here for an argument. I know of several double blind studies, one particular biochemical study that is quite comprehensive. I'll send you the report if you can show me that you're sincere in your interest. Send me your full name and address via Youtube's PM. Otherwise, go away and stop harassing me.
The 1997 study is not all that positive and out of date. The other part said:"insufficient evidence from these studies that homeopathy is clearly efficacious for any single clinical condition" . They also called for further study, if the studies were of high quality. In 1999 LInde retracted much of the positive. After viewing higher quality studies since 1997 the positive part was less probable. He also stated that he was sorry that the study has been used as support for homeopathy.
The Linde study wasn't looking for efficacy of any single condition, they were questioning the placebo theory.
I think the problem is that the evidence for and against placebo hasn't been well defined.
Current research from universities now firmly refutes the placebo theory for homeopathy on non clinical levels, that by critical standards are unaffected by the human imagination: the action of h. remedies biochemically, biologically (plants, animals) and structural analysis.
There is some research on non clinical levels. Most of that research is disputed and needs to be repeated. Most of the history of homeopathic research has suffered from early claims being overstated or wrong. Even the Linde study if done 2 years later may have had different results. The clinical effects should be most important evidence, when homeopathy's main focus is the treatment of humans. The non clinical evidence must be should how or if it relates the treatment of humans.
By the way one of my experiments was to take two entire bottles of homeopathic remedies. (total 120 pills) both bottles had a toxicity warning and warned about overdosing. I experienced no effects (positive or adverse) that I could attribute to the homeopathic pills.
I am perfectly fine afterwards. the homeopathic "medicine" had no measurable effect that I could determine. I admit this is not a scientific experiment, and perhaps a little stupid as THERE IS NO MANDATORY REGULATION OF HOMEOPATHIC REMEDIES FOR QUALITY CONTROL OR EFFECTIVENESS. but answer me this: why did all these homeopathic sleeping pills do nothing to me?
Given that a C30 dilution is unlikely to contain any of the original ingredient:-
If some form of molecular memory/quantum entanglement is the explanation then why not just drink any glass of water since it will contain the 'memory' of everything it has touched. As natures universal solvent of considerable vintage that would mean it already contains the 'memory' of anything and everything a homeopathic could add.
This is an oft repeated question. Unlike the water in Nature, the solutions used in homeopathic remedies are prepared in a lab in a process not found elsewhere.
NMR testing and other tests that idnetify the homeoapthic solution against its water consittuent has shown that succussed high dilutes are indeed unique solutions with structral differences made up in the hydrogen bonding, and are sensitive to ultrviolet light and magnetic fields. I hope that answers your question.
Hydrogen bonding in water and the organised molecular structures that can form at low temperatures have long been known but they are also short lived.
Have the structures in those experiments you mention been observed to last long-term?
Have these structures been observed to be maintained when added to the blank tablets used?
Cathcairn- Good q's. Check out the work of Rustum Roy and Iris Bell. You can see them on The Homeopathy Debates here on Youtube. Roy has studied this for a long time, as has Rolland Conte et al. See also Gary Schwartz, GDV.
H. solutions are fixed using alcohol, glycerin and I think even vinegar. UV and magnetic fields reportedly h. remedies.
H. rems appear to be longlasting, especially when applied to sugar pilules. Hahnemann's original kit is reportedly still potent.
I'm sorry, but that answer is not an answer at all. How is a lab dilution any different from a natural one? A dilution is when water is added to the solution, no? You still haven't answered the question of how ANY water that has been on the planet won't have a memory of EVERYTHING it's been in contact with.
I know you are afraid to post my replies, fraud that you are, but I'll still try. You failed to address the question asked in that answer, John. The question was, how is it that the water from anywhere on the planet doesn't already contain the memory? What is so different about a lab dilution relative to a natural one? Diluting means adding more water, no? And you cannot appeal to 'preciseness', since various c-levels seem to 'work' according to your sources.
Abhish-I don't think so. There is no rational explanation for the Beginning of the Universe that I know of, so Being must have always Been. But why do you think it's a creatonist argument?
Dear Pina- In all all the comments I have recieved, yours is the nicest and sweetest that has been written to me. Thank you for such beautiful words. My heart glows and my wounds heal with such words and I am well again.
I am not a doctor, nor do I expect to ever call myself one, as we have been implored in our faith to call no man master or teacher (doctor). I am just a brother seeking love and wisdom.
Yes, the Bahai are water walkers and saints. I will always love them dearly,
Dear Zzytrewq Thank you for commenting on my video. What you say is pathetically true . . for you. I suggest you read Strobel's Case for a Creator. Actually scientists have come up with evidence for a Creator, and philosphers, logic. Begin with Parmenides. What it "proves" to you is your business.
Scientists have not come up with evidence for a creator. That is creationist propaganda. That is part of the gormless intelligent design rubbish.
There is no empirical evidence, only speculation by believers in a god based system. You have to learn to separate faith based belief from reality.
And as for homeopathy - NO scientifically based clinical trials have demonstrated homeopathic "medicines" actually work as described. It is nothing but a con.
Your video is great. The way you present it is great and your attitude and humor are clear. You're also mature about what you have to say that reminds me of some professional writers in the 1700s, people don't talk like that anymore. Your statment about self proclaiming skeptics who may be psuedoskeptics having a hidden insecurity about themselves is true, seeming to make themselves exempt from the need to start from the begining to prove a point, or not questioning their own position. Thanks.
hi john it is metal here, this is my new id, also just want to say it is good to see intelligent posts from people like sirloin, after the hysterical attacks from the pseudo skeptics and followers of the randi cult then it is nice to have some positive comments here, many randi supporters may not even be aware that randi stalled on your challenge, but they are unquestioning in support for the randi cult, like that pseudo skepptic tjfnee.
Dear Proud- Your speaking up for what you see to be the truth means a lot to me. The beneficial seed is that the attacks from the skeptomaniacs have compelled me to dig deeper for more evidence, and in doing so my faith has been strengthened, and a whole new universe has opened up to me. For that, I'm thankful.
And there's another level I haven't really addressed yet, that the fear of energy manipulation is well founded. As in Christinaity, the skeptic's issue is virtue, not psi.
Skepticism is a psychopathic obsession. You can see it here in the posts by detractors like tfnee88. While attacking credentials, they show none of their own. With few exceptions, like Shermer and Hyman, they hide behind false id's. They insist that there is no evidence for something, such as double blind trials of it, then when shown it, they continue to insist that its not there. Skeptics are usually scared men deep in denial. Recognize it when you see it and don't let it infect your mind.
yes john they never provide a reasoned argument for their attacks, they use non sequiturs do muddy the waters and avoid the issues, and they attack educated men while providing no scientific credentials of their own, but they are no better than magician randi who has gone after distinguished scientists such as brian josephson and arthur c clarke.
tjfnee-Why should ANY of this have meaning to you? You reject the evidence, you argue with the answers, you try to insult me, and then you say yes or no will work 4 a q. I've answered? Yeah, sure. Okay then, YES: H. is the use of SIMILARS. But why should you care if you think its bunk? What is wrong with you? If you're trying to be a show oaf, call up Rush Limbaugh and scream at him for using homeopathic products, you'll have a larger audience. He's good at pissing matches.
hi john this nut tjfnee insults others for not being educated and at the same time he uses insults like fucktard and expects people to think he is educated, on another video he is very defensive about his support for the randi cult, he seems embarrased that he is exposed as being a sheep follower of james randi.
I haven't yet rejected any evidence because you have yet to proffer any. Whether plants grow by adding water is a no brainer. Evidence for homeopathy would take the form of double blind experiments with the proper control group. This has yet to be accomplished with success in homeopathy. Meanwhile, it matters very much whether this is bunk for a variety of reasons that include fraud, misleading the public, avoidance of "drug" labeling, and use of tax payer money in support of silly studies.
tjfnee-What are you ta;lking about? You';ve rejected ALL the evidence. Anyone can read the published the reports and see your insistence that they don't exist. IF you could handle the truth you would have never entered this forum as a sock puppet to write the things you've written. Prove me wrong. If you want to discuss this anymore you'll have to put a real name and face on what you politely write about the evidence, because tfnee88 is now forever blocked.
tjfnee88 writes: ". . Show us a homeopathic cure that works or shut the * up."
To answer tjfnee:
Okay! Thanks to Darwin's experiments, the chemotropic nastic reaction of drosera rotundiflora (carnivorous plant, the N. American sundew)) to homeopathic ammonium carbonicum makes a great visual demonstration of a homeopathic hi dilute because it reacts quickly and is easily double blinded.
As to whether it was cured of anything is up to a court to decide.
You did not answer the question. Where are the homeopathic remedies that work? Why persist in your apology of homeopathy if you can find not a single "remedy" that works? Homeopathy is the notion that basically water can cure disease. If you are suggesting something else, you should stop talking about homeopathy entirely and focus on whatever it is you are claiming, because you consistently fail to provide any proof whatsoever for homeopathy.
tjfnee88- The answer I've given you should be obvious to you and anyone elose: How can a plant react to a placebo? Look, you can order the plants by mail order online and do the test for yourself within a week. This will show you that it not just plain water. Okay? Why can't you accept that? I'm not trying to sell you anything. But you've already made up your own mind, so believe what you want. Likewise, why should you care what I believe in? It is my life, isn't it?
Are you trying to cure plants now? Homeopathy is concerned with curing plants? Get real; you're not winning any arguments with your strange ploy. What homeopathic "remedy" are you alleging works?
tjfnee88- I've given you the answer. Look, I don't mean to cloud your world view, but for legal purposes, patent & energy medicines can not be advertised to cure anything. Yr mixing up yr questions w/angry charges ranging from "h. isn't any different from plain water" to now "prove that it works" . . presumably on people.
I've given you some methods that show the action of high dilutes. But homeopathnic prescribing requires an interview w/a doctor. Find 1 & tell him yr problem.
There is no legal impediment to discussing a homeopathic cure that you believe works; nor are you prescribing something in providing your opinion that a cure works. Whether a plant will grow if you add water has no impact on the question. Which homeopathic cures do you believe work as against which diseases? You'll never answer it, you'll just continue your boring apology of an entirely bogus concept.
tjfnee88- Arsenicum album affects the growth of plants, as does Staphysagria (U. of Bologna) Dilutes of the pathogen can inoculate (Jonas). Now, I don't expect you to understand this, because you refuse to run objective tests instead of your mouth. But homeopathic prescribing for disease is most effective when it is done constitutionally, not symptomatically. For example, Arsenicum a. is often used to treat the diseases of people who are mean spirited and have a skeptical nature.
So homeopathy is now concerned with watering the plants? Here is a simple test for everyone; take two of the same type of plants, use his silly homeopathic water on one and regular tap water on the other. Make sure they are both kept in the same conditions. Wonder if they both will grow? Meanwhile, we're still waiting to hear about an alleged specific homeopathic cure for a specific disease; to say it is "constitutional" is a contradiction of homeopathic claims that "like cures like", etc.
tjfnee88-Yes, homeopathic solutions can accelerate or retard plant growth. Kolisko reported on it in the 1920's & the work has been carried on by the University of Bologna in Italy. Carnivorous plants, however, show a chemotropic reaction within minutes. Try water with a drop of h. ammonium carbonicum in it on a sundew to curl the leaf, something plain water can't do.
For more on constitutional prescribing for disease, goto the Stehlin article on the FDA website, or Google it.
tjfnee88-You're asking for a specific remedy 4a specific disease. Specific treatment of symptoms has not been as effective as treating the whole person with a remedy, called unicist or constitutional treatment.
For example, Darwin's chronic debilitating nausea disappeared after h. treatment. Specifically, he could've been given h. ipecac, but the symptoms would only temp. subside. For a lasting cure his constitution might have called for Arsenicum.
Now that is a very interesting position to take. Let's see, homeopathy was founded by Hahnemann who said that like cured liked. To this day, that is the touchstone of homeopathy; "like cures like". It is also a specific thing; if you are posioned by arsenic, you take an arsenic dilution to "cure" you. There is nothing in the fraud of homeopathy to suggest the philosophy is changed to the "whole person" approach. Homeopathy has always been very specific in that it can cure specific disease.
tjnee88-No, there's a difference between IDENTICAL, isopathy, & LIKE, homeopathy. The two are easily confused. Isopathy just adds more of the same, homeopathy flanks the disease.
Look, my friend, you're having problems reconciling conflicts. If homeopathy was fraud, governments around the world would have shut it down long ago. You need to reconcile both widespread skepticism and acceptance. I suggest you think on what motivates your hostility to what the FDA has already covered.
Homeopathy "flanks" the disease? What? That has no meaning. Does homeopathy operate upon the notion that like cures like? A simple yes/no would work. I suggest to you that if you answer no, you are not advocating homeopathy but something else entirely as your response would then oppose all past and current homeopathic "thought", to the extent such ramblings could be considered actual thought.
Tastentier- If you made a serious study ofthe subject before you, you wouldn't make such a stupid suggestion. Come on, if you want to make a real contribution to this discussion, run your own botanical tests using real h. remedies and see the evidence before you embarass yourself any further. -John
I know for a FACT that homeopathy works. I've been studying to use these medicines for a year now and I have seen results. I have seen results in people that didn't believe in them. I have used them on my pets and have seen great results. I love homeopathy and I believe it is the wave of the future!
You're the one that doesn't get it. We don't believe homeopathy's motive force to be ortho-molecularly driven. Extensive phsyical analysis of high dilutes reveals no conclusion other than the dilution and succussion process, used in the creation of h. remedies, alters the hydrogen bond structure of what began as plain water.
sure! although all REAL scientists have rubbished that suggestion. The homeopathic effect is purely as a placebo or the fact that the person/animal just got better naturally.
It doesn't take an advanced degree to see a carnivorous plant's nastic reaction to a homeopathic high dilute. See DARWIN PROVES HOMEOPATHY. Also, meta-analysis by a university level research team found that h. was not placebo; see RE: James Randi Explains homeopathy. I'll seend you the videos. Please comment.
Jesus wept. You realise there's a difference between "low concentration" and "no concentration", yes?
And that'll be the same Darwin that railed again homeopathy in his letters? Calling it "a subject which makes me more wrath, even than does Clair-voyance"?
Yes, the same Darwin who laughed at it w/his dad, &who, like so many of us that investigtd homoepathy, at 1st believd its effects were due 2 the imagination. If we cling to that, we must now believe that plants have imaginations, 2. 'Course, if YOU have the courage 2 perform the test4 yrself, then you'r faced w/having 2 exp. it 2 yrself as 2 why u were so mean in yr judgement.
Please. He was surprised how low a dose could produce an effect. That has no similarity with homeopathic preparations, which have zero-dose. This is just a desperate - and fraudulent - ploy to gain homeopathy some scientific credibility it's not due.
Besides, I thought succussion was a pre-requisite for homeopathic remedies? Which there's no evidence he did.
You're providing us with the classical declination of an argument by a skeptic coming to grips with evidence that is contrary to his negative theory, a theory that could be sustained or put to rest by putting it to the test: Can a homeopathic high dilute trigger the nastic reaction in a carnivorous plant? Why not try it? Why sit on a theory that'll never hatch w/o trial?
If you really believe in homeopathy, please make this test: Mix one shotglass of whiskey with a whole bottle of water. Then fill the mixture into a shotglass and mix it with another bottle of water. Repeat this a few hundred times. If homeopathy did work, you should now have the most potent alcoholic beverage on earth. Drink it and see if you get totally wasted. Or save your time and let common sense tell you that you won't feel a thing, because the homeopathic method is bullshit.
Excellent example. Hahnemann, the modern "founder" of homeopathy fraud, would have initially treated a patient intoxicated by alcohol with more alcohol because, according to him, "like cures like". Of course, he killed many patients, so then decided that diluting poisons such that the compound was indistinguishable from water was even more potent. This, of course, ensured that his patients did not die from his treatment; instead, they died from whatever illness he was not capable of curing.
tjfnee88 writes: "No clue where you got that from; it doesn't even make sense. The only comedy here are you sympathetic beliefs and apologist attempts. Show us a homeopathic cure that works or shut the * up."
(Edited for foul language -John)
To answer tjfnee: Thanks to Darwin, the nastic reaction of drosera rotundiflora (carnivorous plant) to homeopathic ammonium carbonicum makes a good visual demo of a hi dilute because it reacts quickly and is easily double blinded.
Of course plants show a hydronastic reaction to water, no matter what sort of water. Do you have a link to a double-blind study where the effects of a highly diluted substance is tested against the effects of pure water? Of course I'm even more inetersted in properly double-blinded studies that show the supposed effects of homeopathic remedies on humans.
I know for a FACT that homeopathic remedies are not just a placebo affect. I have been training to use these medicines for a year now and I have seen results. I have seen results in people that did not believe in them whatsoever. I have used them on my animals and have seen great results. I love homeopathy and I truly believe it is the wave of the future!
Bandershot you say James Randi has no obligation to pay out. But by your logic Benneth has no obligation to pay out his $1000 challenge. The BBC entered the million dollar challenge for homeopathy and failed.
The point is people have Won the $1000 challenge and did not get paid. While no one has won the million dollar challenge. Did the BBC enter Benneth's challenge and fail? No. Why don't you try and get them to? You might earn some credibility.
Who are you talking about? No one's applied for the $1000 Skeptic challenge. A friend of Randi's claimed he had proof, demanded the $1000, threatened to sue, then backed off when confronted with the rules, and finally BEGGED not to have his identity exposed. The rules for the Benneth Challenge are the same as they are for the Randi Challenge. Check them for yourself.
Why do you think he's begging for money at the end of his anti-homeopathy video? He'll need something better than magic tricks if he's going to live long enough to pay off all the people who claim homeopathy works.
How much money have you sent Randi, Mr. Possibilities?
Rebecca- Yes. A team of doctors that included U.S. NIH director Wayne Jonas, M.D., did a meta-analysis of 89 double blind and/or randomized placebo-controlled trials entitled "Are the clinical effects of homeopathy placebo effects?" They found overwhelmingly in favor of homeopathy. Results were published in the Lancet 1997; 350:834-43
The problem haucks, is that for 200 years people have been reporting that it does work, supported by metanalysis in the Lancet, meticulous biochemical studies over decades (Boyd, Persson, Ennis et al) biochemical studies reported in Inflamation Research and other pubs. What's puzzling is why people like you haven't examined the literature and made your own biological tests of it.
And I hope you are not seriously suggesting that homeopathic remedies are clathrates, because looking at them under a scanning electrong microscope will show you what the van der waals forces are not structurally organized in a manner consistent with what appears to be your assertions. I'm not sure which dubious medical journals you read, but your articles are hopelessly outnumbered by studies which significantly discredit them. I'm sure you already know that.
xiangyik 1 year ago
@xiangyik Okay, I'll bite. Are you saying that there's no such thing as clathrates?
Bandershot 1 year ago
Real is scientific homeopathy. It cures even when Conventional Allopathic Medicine (CAM) fails. Evidence-based modern homeopathy is a nano-medicine bringing big results for everyone
DrNancyMalik 1 year ago
OK OK, I do like legos !
chats0 1 year ago
I dont like legos !
chats0 1 year ago
Can you distinguish between "homeopathic water" and "plain water”? I can tell you which is "radioactive water" and which is “plain water" with a giger counter !
chats0 1 year ago
@chats0 Yes, but I've never tried it with a geiger counter. Do you have one?
Bandershot 1 year ago
I'll buy one, if you give me a million dollar.
And you are answering a question with a question. nice tactic.
chats0 1 year ago
@chats0 I said yes, there have been numerous tests that show the ac tion of homeopathics vs. their vehicles, i.e. plain water. What's your problem?
Bandershot 1 year ago
So go get a MILLION dollars of JREFs money!!!
randi.org/site/index.php/swift-blog/581-homeopathy-qualifies-for-the-million-dollar-challenge.html
His offer constitutes a legally binding contract, so you can also sue him. If you don’t like his methodology.
I have a feeling you are not going to Send me a message from your new yacht !
chats0 1 year ago
@chats0 HOw do you know its a legally binding contract? Can you show me one case where he's signed it? It says right on his own site that he never has. Got any more stupid lies you'd like to spread? This is the same typical drill with you skeptards. You can never leave it to just asking a simple, reasonable question, which you did, and I answered. You have to start hallucinating, making things up about that phony "challenge." And you're the one who thinks he's science on his side?
Bandershot 1 year ago
@Bandershot
As it happens I know something of American contract law.
The basic rule is that you need an “offer” (i.e. the million dollar challenge) and an “acceptance” (i.e. YOU proving your point) . It does NOT have to be in writing !.
chats0 1 year ago
@chats0 This is the third time today someone has bragged "I know something." No wonder Randi has so many devoted followers.
Look, wiseguy, I applied for Randi's phony "challenge" 10 years ago. When he backed out of the "negotiations" I took the app to an attorney < the challenge is a unilateral offer, like a greased pole contest. Some one shows up with cleats, the offer is withdrawn. It has more outs than a Swiss cheese sandwich. Randi is the sole manager of it and has never signed it.
Bandershot 1 year ago
@Bandershot
1. what was it RANDI wanted you to do (before he backed out of the "negotiations" ) ?
2. these people know homeopathy works, and just want people to be sick ?
chats0 1 year ago
@chats0 I think he just wanted me to go away. He kept writing to me to "get on with it" & "quit stalling." It had to be one of the most frustrating experiences of my life. I've seen him pull the same crap with other people. Art Bell told me he would stall. All I wanted from him was a test date and place. He never would give me one. It took a lot of wrangling by others to just get him to admit he'd rec'd my ap, but then he said he wanted to test Benveniste, until Josephson told him no.
Bandershot 1 year ago
@Bandershot
sorry, I didn’t understand the last sentence in your answer:
"It took a lot of wrangling by others to just get him to admit he'd rec'd my ap, but then he said he wanted to test Benveniste, until Josephson told him no."
chats0 1 year ago
@chats0 Nobel prize winner Brian Josephson was supporting Jacques Benveniste, who had REPLICATED a bichemical test for homeopathy, which Randi & Sir John Maddox claimed to have debunked. So when I presented a binary ID protocol to Randi, he stalled on it, explicitly claiming that that I was small fry & he was after bigger fish: he wanted to test Benveniste/Josephson, who he said applied. Syd Baumel wrote to J. to confirm: Randi was lying, and sent back to me. He then broke off negs. with me.
Bandershot 1 year ago
@Bandershot
Well as Mr. Benveniste has since died, is Mr. Josephson, taken or attempted to take the “million dollar challenge” ?, as a physicist, did he personally test “water memory” ?
chats0 1 year ago
@chats0 You''re kidding, right? You don't want believe Randii's a fake. Anyone who has any sense about it knows its not a valid offer. Its not contractable. That's why he won't sign it. It's not a legal offer, its a publicity stunt. Why would a Nobel prize laureate lower himself to arguing endlessly with a high school drop out who's only goal is to aggrandize himself by humiliating him? Go back to your Legos.
Bandershot 1 year ago
@chats0 The answer to your second question is I don't know. I'm sick enough of hearing people tell me what is I want and think, it certianly doesn't fit my philosophy to say what others want. But anyone can speculate what would happen to doctors if people stopped getting sick. Would the doctors start to get sick? Maybe that's the real reason we go to dcotors, so they cna make a living and don't get sick and die from neglect. Patent pharmaceuticals are the world's biggest money making biz.
Bandershot 1 year ago
@Bandershot i saw the video i liked the sound effects.i agree people dont get it but why not do a test yourself if you dont believe
billtheman100 2 years ago
assdasd
billtheman100 2 years ago
Happy New Year to you too.you know what you sir with no dout should go to the real time with bill maher show in L.A. mr.bil maher is againts pharma drugs, every friday live he has a panel of 3 talking about good for manking
billtheman100 2 years ago
That's a gret idea, Bill. thnaks for the tip. You are the man!
BTW, I hve put up a remake of this video with the sound. Check it out!
Bandershot 2 years ago
well i hear it from dr.brian from hippocrates institute have you heard of the man?if not please check he also believes in homeopathy
billtheman100 2 years ago
I haven'theard of Dr. brian. I'll have to check it out. Thanks for the tip!
Bandershot 2 years ago
well i hear it from dr.brian from hippocrates institute have you heard of the man?if not please check he also believes in homeopathy
billtheman100 2 years ago
bandershot,is it true milk is the worst food to consume?
billtheman100 2 years ago
I don't think so, but I've heard that it is a little hard to digest for some people . . and I've heard that GOAT's MILK is the best food on the planet, especially when its made into yogurt.
Bandershot 2 years ago
@Bandershot, well i heard it from dr. brian from the hippocrates institute and he said goat milk should only be consume when the mother refuses to feed her goat. have you heard of dr. brian?
billtheman100 2 years ago
Have you any medical knowledge?
Over 70% percent of humanity lose the ability to process lactose when growing up,... Go to school, then rethink homeopathy.
Trashboldus 2 years ago
Yeah, Ig ot medical knowledge. I'm a neuro surgeon. I specialize in petrified brains, like yours. Unfortunately for you there's not much hope. If the fish don't mind, I'd suggest you rent your head out for a boat anchor.
Bandershot 2 years ago
sir, what do you think about milk consumtion ive heard its the worst food out there
billtheman100 2 years ago
i just had a big glass of ice cold milk. It was good. I think I'll have some more.
Bandershot 2 years ago
@Bandershot ok if milk is bad for you then why do babys get feed with it? & you never hear them getting sick right?oh & my buddy dont want to listen that he might avoid his rupture knee tendon surgery by a little acupuncture & herbal remedies what should i do?
billtheman100 2 years ago
thanks sir, i'll tell my buddy about this homeopathic ruta plant and the other things because he is very scared he dosent want the surgery.
billtheman100 2 years ago
apparently the surger my buddy went with was not incline to homeopathy because he laugh at my buddy like saying you believe in that
billtheman100 2 years ago
Well tell your buddy to tell his doctor to stuff it and go get a real job. Go find an MD that knows about this stuff. I kow an orthopedic surgeon who uses it. Where does he live? Or did they amputate his leg already?
Bandershot 2 years ago
@Bandershot my buddys leg still injure he dont want to listen that he could avoid sugery by acupucture & herbal remedies.oh & please stop drinking milk i heard that sure enough is poison
billtheman100 2 years ago
@Bandershot my buddys leg still injure he dont want to listen that he could avoid sugery by acupucture & herbal remedies.oh & please stop drinking milk i heard that sure enough is poison
billtheman100 2 years ago
iam curios what effects does the ruta plant have in our body?
billtheman100 2 years ago
bio flavinoids, seems tobe akin to vitamin c . homeopathic ruta is good for stresses. you can get it at some pharmacies.
Bandershot 2 years ago
Is this a joke?
Damn, now I get it, this is all a joke!
Trashboldus 2 years ago
Don't tell me, you're looking at yourself in the mirror again.
Bandershot 2 years ago
no sir i wouldnt set you up.a buddy of mine needs knee surgery and he wants to avoid it but he went to a random surgical clinic and he asked for a homeopathy solution and the doctor laugh at him
billtheman100 2 years ago
Ruta graveolens along with the other things worked for my dog and saved me a lot of money. And he looked better in two weeks than he had in two years. Happier and healthier than ever.
Bandershot 2 years ago
what do you mean you dont know?it appears to me that natural medicine help your dog
billtheman100 2 years ago
I don't know because I'm not in a position to make those kinds of determinations.
i can't tell people to avoid conventional medical treatment. I have to tell people to consult a medical doctor for particular problems. What can I know of your busted knee? There are many good docs and many that are not so good. Take your pick.
But I must say that your comments look like you're trying to set me up for an entrapment. Is that what you're trying to do?
Bandershot 2 years ago
i totally agree sir.but what about if someone needs knee surgery can homeopathy help avoid it?
billtheman100 2 years ago
i don't know. Each case is different. The best way to find out would be to go to a medical doctor who is also experienced in the use of homeopathy to treat patients who are suffering from probelms of the type you are describing. There are a growing number of M.D.'s who use homeopathy in their practice. It would be best to consult with one of them about using homeopathy in place of surgery for any particular case.
Bandershot 2 years ago
i totally agree sir. but what about if someone needs knee surgery can homeopathy help in some way?
billtheman100 2 years ago
I had a dog who had such serious tear in his tendons that he couldn't walk. The vet wanted $750 to do surgery on him.,so I took him to a naturopathic vet who had him up and running in 2 weeks using acupuncture, change in diet, shark cartillage, herbal sups & homeopathic ruta. It was one of the most amazing healings I've ever seen. So to answer your question, I'd say I don't know. I can only suggest that ideally only exp. legal practitioners can help you make the best decision about what to do.
Bandershot 2 years ago
bandershot,homeopathic medicine is an alternative for surgery right,but people rather get stab
billtheman100 2 years ago
Maybe, in some cases, homeopathy can do what surgery can not, but homeopathy is not automatically an alternative for surgery. I am thankful to good surgeons for their lifesaving work. And homeopathy can help heal surgical wounds faster than normal, and reduce scarring. Whether surgery is necessary or not is something that must be determined by competent people.
Thanks for commenting and bringing this to our attention.
Bandershot 2 years ago
While Homeopathy detractors cling to 8 FLAWED studies to discredit Homeopathy, there are over 200 well conducted clinical trials and studies done by eminent scientists and physicians around the world to prove that Homeopathy is NOT placebo effect.
mohanaturo 2 years ago
Yes, you are right. The number is growing & the quality is increasing. The emminent French biochemist Benveniste, who scoffer's laughed at for his replication of the Davenas basophil degranulation test, 1st reported in Nature, whic was replicated again & again (Belon et al), has had his discovery that homeopathic remedies emit electromagnetic radiation validated by a Nobel prize winning virologist. The placebo theory for homeopathy has been destroyed by real scientists repeatedly.
Bandershot 2 years ago
And, as you have implied, skeptics often claim that hundreds of studies have proven homeopathy false, but usually can't name one. What they vaguely refer to is the Shang "metanalysis," which claimed to have reviewed 110 studies, dismissed 102 of them &concluded from the remaining eight that homeopathy is placebo. But even worse, when the Royal Homoeopath Peter Fisher asked the Shang lead pseudoscientist, Prof. Egger, to name the eight studies, Egger wouldn't say which ones they were!
Bandershot 2 years ago
Not all in vitro & non clinical tests for homeopathy have claimed positive results. Hirst claimed negative results, because there was no theory to explain what they saw; so there must have been some flaw! Yet the WItt review gave Hirst the highest possible score. The reason opponents don't mention the negative tests by name is that they'd have to review so many more that are positive. The problem is not that homeopathy doesn't work, it's that opponents just don't want it to, & yet it still does!
Bandershot 2 years ago
Q: How does the alcohol and glycerin assume the structure of the water, or does the water become trapped?
A: The alcohol acts as a fixative to otherwise tenuous bonds.
Q: How is water, which is non ferrous, affected by magnetism?
A: Vibratory action destroys the bonds. Read Tiller's work on the subject usinhg silver chloride and UV.
Q: Where in nature do you have a problem with disruptive magnetic fields?
A: All magnetic fields interact according to %<similia, including speed of light.
Bandershot 2 years ago
you mentioned that no one would drink water that had been exposed to uranium. Hasn't all water been exposed to uranium or something similarly poisonous? if homeopathy works as advertised why isn't all water poison?
icthus560 2 years ago
The answer would be clear to you if you took the time to study the subject. H. solutions are potentized in vitro by serial succussion and dilution, and then fixed with alcohol or glycerin. Even so they can be made inert by exposure to UV, magnetic fields and heat. The process of manufacture and storage of h. solutions are obviously not found in nature. Natural conditions keep water in a constant state of change, including evaporation. H. medicines are usually kept on a shelf. Follow the links.
Bandershot 2 years ago
The underlying theory behind homeopathy, if I remember correctly, is that the water changes its structure to assume the properties of the chemicals being dissolved into it. How does the alcohol and glycerin assume the structure of the water, or does the water become trapped? You mentioned in your response that these solutions are affected by magnetic fields. How is water, which is non ferrous, affected by magnetism? if it is where in nature do you have a problem with disruptive magnetic fields
icthus560 2 years ago
If gravity isn't a powerful magnetic field that affects materials in various degrees due to their densities, what is it? Doesn't all matter have a magnetic field around it? Didn't the proving of relativity show that gravity bends even light?
Conte et al have probably done the best magnetic studies, reported in THEORY OF HIGH DILUTIONS. Conte reports NMR detection shows that movement through gravitational fields also efffect high dilutes. Read the article by Callinan for a review of that work.
Bandershot 2 years ago
No, if you accept the commonly held definitions you can't say gravity is a type of magnetism. magnetism is created by the movement of an electric current and has north and south poles. Gravity is not associated with magnetic fields, and is not known to have north/south poles. You could of course make up your own looser definition, but that would be disingenuous.
icthus560 2 years ago
But I am using the commonly held definition of "magnet" that includes "a person or thing that attracts" (Websters). And of course gravity is associated with a magnetic field . . the Earth's, as with all celestial bodies. If gravity isn't a type of magnetic force, what is it?
Perhaps a better way to look at homeopathic phenomena is to describe it as radioactive.
Bandershot 2 years ago
No, most many planets don't have magnetic fields, but they all have gravity. You should really have stuck with talking about homeopathy. you embarass yourself when you say things like this.
icthus560 2 years ago 6
You seem to have no real scientific education whatsoever, but read many quakery-tabloids and have a vivid fantasy.
Please learn about physics and chemistry, because you are mixing things together, producing a blend of bull.
Trashboldus 2 years ago
Don't tell me, you're talking to yourself again, right? If you want to learn the science behind homeoapthy, stop setting yourself up for future embarassment and read Anagnostatos' clathrate model for homeopathy, then read Structure of Liquid Water by Roy, Tiller et al with a shot of supramolecular chemistry as a chaser. You'll figure it out, but not if you keep swallowing the crap being shoveled out by three card monte dealers and high school drop outs like Randi who have made a career of it.
Bandershot 2 years ago
As best as I can now understand it, the water becomes "trapped."
There are other types of magnetic phenomena other than ferro magnetism. Homeopathy demonstrates their specificty. Check out the material sciences report re: van der Wal bonds by an interdisciplinary team in "The Structure of Liquid Water" by Roy et al. Links are in the vid description field. Tiller has some interesting things to say on the subject, as does Josephson.
Investigate it & you'll see why it sells despite the scoffing.
Bandershot 2 years ago
thank you for your response, Dr. Roy Rustum does seem to be a reputable scientist and, while I don't pretend to understand much of his study he does make it clear that the structure of water molecules is affected by an electromagntic field. you are, however, incorrect when you say there are other types of magnetism out there. Thank you for answering my question.
icthus560 2 years ago
Brilliant video! Love the bit about the Rad Brom, how is Mr. Randi gonna explain that one away????????
arnicaworks 2 years ago
In 1996, Prof George Vithoulkas was awarded the Alternative Nobel Prize (The Right Livelihood Award) for his work in the field of Homeopathy.
James Randi on the other hand is a magician!
mohanaturo 2 years ago
All that does is show the frauds and quacks behind the award are incapable of distinguishing real science form quackery.
flakingnapstich 2 years ago 2
Some Allopathy doctors in the Finlay Institute in Cuba have done excellent use of Homeopathy prophylaxis in the prevention of Leptospirosis outbreak during hurricane season in Cuba.
Google: Homeopathy Cuba Leptospirosis.
mohanaturo 3 years ago
Homeopathy is the best for the treatment and cure of chronic diseases because of it's logic:
i)The Law of Similars
ii)Treat the Patient not the Disease
iii)Law of Cure
iv)Theory of miasms as the cause of Chronic Diseases
mohanaturo 3 years ago
Homeopathy is the best for the treatment and cure of chronic diseases because of it's logic:
i)The Law of Similars
ii)Treat the Patient not the Disease
iii)Law of Cure
iv)Theory of miasms as the cause of Chronic Diseases
Allopathy(conventional medicine) routinely employs the principles of the Law of Similars during the administration of vaccinations.
mohanaturo 3 years ago
How, exactly, are vaccines based on the "Law if similars"?
flakingnapstich 2 years ago 2
My beliefs and faith in Allopathy have been destroyed by the logic of Homeopathy:
TREAT THE PATIENT NOT THE DISEASE
mohanaturo 3 years ago
Thanks for commenting on this video. Your testimony and encouragement mean a lot.
Bandershot 3 years ago
My beliefs based on faith in Allopathy have been destroyed by the logic of Homeopathy
mohanaturo 3 years ago
Apparently the Uof B work was inspired by Lilli Kolisko.
Bandershot 3 years ago
It's so funny how I actually went to the Universita' di Bologna for a course I was doing in Italy. I fell in love with the Anatomy museum they had in Bologna. I didn't know that that would possibly steer me in the direction of Naturopathic Med School. Now I learn they are doing studies on homeopathic remedies there; talk about bringing me full circle! I'd love to learn homeopathy in Italy or the rest of Europe after I graduate.
sicilianotoronto 3 years ago
Amazing if true. The French tend to be pretty healthy people, which may be attrributed to good food and wine, but they have also been at the forefront of many great discoveries, exploration, homeopathy, aviation and nuclear science.
Vive la France!
Thanks for commenting.
Bandershot 3 years ago
Homeopathy has stood the test of time - 250 years.
Allopathy on the other hand is dying a painful death!
mohanaturo 3 years ago
I am a skeptic with an open mind: so I tried some of the experiments you suggested and they all had negative results, or results equal to chance.
the experiments nearly 100 years ago are not convincing as they have never been repeated under controlled conditions. Can you site any double-blind studies done under controlled circumstances that showed homeopathic cures to have results?
jcmvii 3 years ago
jcmvii- First off, given the wording of your statements and questions, I doubt that you have conducted any objective test. There have so many demonstrations of the action of potentized high dilutes that they are now labelled "evidential homeopathy." See part five for a review of one.
Perhaps if you were more specific about your protocols, your mistakes would surface. Start with stating the question hyour study is addressing. A grade school science teacher might be able to help you.
Bandershot 3 years ago
I admit my home experiment doesn't meet scientific scrutiny. But, as someone with a scientific and logical background I find it hard to believe that a high-dilute that is indistinguishable from water could have an effect different than water other than the placebo effect.
I read the studies you mention in part five and found a few flaws in methodology and result analysis. I also couldn't find any studies in which the results were reproduced. If it really works the results are reproducible.
jcmvii 3 years ago
jcmvii-Stop posing like you're some kind of an authority. You're a amateur pseudoscientist tryinhg to impress someone with his warmed over ignorance you're trying to pass off as knowledge. Produce the report of your experiements or shut up and go away.
Bandershot 3 years ago
I never claimed to be an authority on this. I freely admit that I'm not. but there are other people who are. and the general consensus of scientists is that homeopathy is a placebo and the general consensus of homeopaths is that it works, even though after nearly 200 years there's no explanation of how or why that stands up to any scrutiny.
jcmvii 3 years ago
If you're not an authority, then why are you trying to speak as one? Contrary to what you claim, meta analysis by top scientists has shown tht homeopathy is NOT a placebo. Linde, Clausius, Ramirez, et al, "Are the Clinical Effects of Homeopathy Placebo Effects? A Meta-analysis of Placebo-Controlled Trials" Lancet, September 20, 1997, 350:834-843.
But even if it was a placebo, so what? Skepticism is also a placebo. So why can't YOU allow people to pursue their beliefs as you do yours?
Bandershot 3 years ago
I'm simply looking for information and the studies I've seen suggesting evidence for homeopathy all seem to be problematic (results are non-repeatable, no double blind, results within a standard deviation). The Meta-analysis uses studies with these problems and loses some credibility.
I can allow people to pursue whatever they want. How am I stopping anyone? I just want people to know that there is another side to the story.
If Homeopathy were a placebo there are serious moral implications.
jcmvii 3 years ago
You're not here for information, you're here for an argument. I know of several double blind studies, one particular biochemical study that is quite comprehensive. I'll send you the report if you can show me that you're sincere in your interest. Send me your full name and address via Youtube's PM. Otherwise, go away and stop harassing me.
Bandershot 3 years ago
The 1997 study is not all that positive and out of date. The other part said:"insufficient evidence from these studies that homeopathy is clearly efficacious for any single clinical condition" . They also called for further study, if the studies were of high quality. In 1999 LInde retracted much of the positive. After viewing higher quality studies since 1997 the positive part was less probable. He also stated that he was sorry that the study has been used as support for homeopathy.
1skyhand 2 years ago
The Linde study wasn't looking for efficacy of any single condition, they were questioning the placebo theory.
I think the problem is that the evidence for and against placebo hasn't been well defined.
Current research from universities now firmly refutes the placebo theory for homeopathy on non clinical levels, that by critical standards are unaffected by the human imagination: the action of h. remedies biochemically, biologically (plants, animals) and structural analysis.
Bandershot 2 years ago
There is some research on non clinical levels. Most of that research is disputed and needs to be repeated. Most of the history of homeopathic research has suffered from early claims being overstated or wrong. Even the Linde study if done 2 years later may have had different results. The clinical effects should be most important evidence, when homeopathy's main focus is the treatment of humans. The non clinical evidence must be should how or if it relates the treatment of humans.
1skyhand 2 years ago
By the way one of my experiments was to take two entire bottles of homeopathic remedies. (total 120 pills) both bottles had a toxicity warning and warned about overdosing. I experienced no effects (positive or adverse) that I could attribute to the homeopathic pills.
jcmvii 3 years ago
jcmvii- That's not an experiment. That's nothing more than a demonstration of your stupidity.
Bandershot 3 years ago
I am perfectly fine afterwards. the homeopathic "medicine" had no measurable effect that I could determine. I admit this is not a scientific experiment, and perhaps a little stupid as THERE IS NO MANDATORY REGULATION OF HOMEOPATHIC REMEDIES FOR QUALITY CONTROL OR EFFECTIVENESS. but answer me this: why did all these homeopathic sleeping pills do nothing to me?
jcmvii 3 years ago
Use it as directed if you want results.
Bandershot 3 years ago
Enjoyed watching this as much as part one.
deepak696 3 years ago
Dear Deepak696- Thanks for your encouragement and commenting.
love,
John
Bandershot 3 years ago
Thank you for all you hard work Sir.
Homeopathy is a true life saver and worthy of being worshiped.
deepak696 3 years ago
Deepak- You'r welcome, and once again, thank you for your encouragement.
love,
John
Bandershot 3 years ago
Given that a C30 dilution is unlikely to contain any of the original ingredient:-
If some form of molecular memory/quantum entanglement is the explanation then why not just drink any glass of water since it will contain the 'memory' of everything it has touched. As natures universal solvent of considerable vintage that would mean it already contains the 'memory' of anything and everything a homeopathic could add.
cathcairn 3 years ago 4
This is an oft repeated question. Unlike the water in Nature, the solutions used in homeopathic remedies are prepared in a lab in a process not found elsewhere.
NMR testing and other tests that idnetify the homeoapthic solution against its water consittuent has shown that succussed high dilutes are indeed unique solutions with structral differences made up in the hydrogen bonding, and are sensitive to ultrviolet light and magnetic fields. I hope that answers your question.
John
Bandershot 3 years ago
A few more questions if I may.
Hydrogen bonding in water and the organised molecular structures that can form at low temperatures have long been known but they are also short lived.
Have the structures in those experiments you mention been observed to last long-term?
Have these structures been observed to be maintained when added to the blank tablets used?
cathcairn 3 years ago 2
Cathcairn- Good q's. Check out the work of Rustum Roy and Iris Bell. You can see them on The Homeopathy Debates here on Youtube. Roy has studied this for a long time, as has Rolland Conte et al. See also Gary Schwartz, GDV.
H. solutions are fixed using alcohol, glycerin and I think even vinegar. UV and magnetic fields reportedly h. remedies.
H. rems appear to be longlasting, especially when applied to sugar pilules. Hahnemann's original kit is reportedly still potent.
Thanks 4 the q's.
jb
Bandershot 3 years ago
I'm sorry, but that answer is not an answer at all. How is a lab dilution any different from a natural one? A dilution is when water is added to the solution, no? You still haven't answered the question of how ANY water that has been on the planet won't have a memory of EVERYTHING it's been in contact with.
anonilulz 3 years ago
I know you are afraid to post my replies, fraud that you are, but I'll still try. You failed to address the question asked in that answer, John. The question was, how is it that the water from anywhere on the planet doesn't already contain the memory? What is so different about a lab dilution relative to a natural one? Diluting means adding more water, no? And you cannot appeal to 'preciseness', since various c-levels seem to 'work' according to your sources.
anonilulz 3 years ago 9
ok...this sounds like a creationist argument
abhish13 3 years ago
Abhish-I don't think so. There is no rational explanation for the Beginning of the Universe that I know of, so Being must have always Been. But why do you think it's a creatonist argument?
love,
John
PS: Thanks for commenting.
Bandershot 3 years ago
OMG! I think I have a man-crush on you!
Are you single? We could clone babies together..
AitchJay 3 years ago
AitchJay- Thanks, but I've already got enough kids, dogs and wives.
love,
John
Bandershot 3 years ago
Dr. Benneth you are a very unique and wonderful individual! GOd Bless! Please look up Bahai. Let me know what you think?
pinabarryscott 3 years ago
Dear Pina- In all all the comments I have recieved, yours is the nicest and sweetest that has been written to me. Thank you for such beautiful words. My heart glows and my wounds heal with such words and I am well again.
I am not a doctor, nor do I expect to ever call myself one, as we have been implored in our faith to call no man master or teacher (doctor). I am just a brother seeking love and wisdom.
Yes, the Bahai are water walkers and saints. I will always love them dearly,
love,
John
Bandershot 3 years ago
Scientist can not prove that GOD exist, but yet HE DOES!
pinabarryscott 3 years ago
Dear Pina- What you say is very profound and true. Thank you for sharing your wisdom here.
love,
John
Bandershot 3 years ago
Scientist can not prove that GOD exist, and he DOES'T!
zzytrewq 3 years ago
Dear Zzytrewq Thank you for commenting on my video. What you say is pathetically true . . for you. I suggest you read Strobel's Case for a Creator. Actually scientists have come up with evidence for a Creator, and philosphers, logic. Begin with Parmenides. What it "proves" to you is your business.
love,
John
Bandershot 3 years ago
Scientists have not come up with evidence for a creator. That is creationist propaganda. That is part of the gormless intelligent design rubbish.
There is no empirical evidence, only speculation by believers in a god based system. You have to learn to separate faith based belief from reality.
And as for homeopathy - NO scientifically based clinical trials have demonstrated homeopathic "medicines" actually work as described. It is nothing but a con.
zzytrewq 3 years ago
Your video is great. The way you present it is great and your attitude and humor are clear. You're also mature about what you have to say that reminds me of some professional writers in the 1700s, people don't talk like that anymore. Your statment about self proclaiming skeptics who may be psuedoskeptics having a hidden insecurity about themselves is true, seeming to make themselves exempt from the need to start from the begining to prove a point, or not questioning their own position. Thanks.
SirLoin21 3 years ago
Sirloin- Tahnk you for your comments. They are very encouraging and inspire me to do better.
love,
John
Bandershot 3 years ago
hi john it is metal here, this is my new id, also just want to say it is good to see intelligent posts from people like sirloin, after the hysterical attacks from the pseudo skeptics and followers of the randi cult then it is nice to have some positive comments here, many randi supporters may not even be aware that randi stalled on your challenge, but they are unquestioning in support for the randi cult, like that pseudo skepptic tjfnee.
ProudToBLoud 3 years ago
Dear Proud- Your speaking up for what you see to be the truth means a lot to me. The beneficial seed is that the attacks from the skeptomaniacs have compelled me to dig deeper for more evidence, and in doing so my faith has been strengthened, and a whole new universe has opened up to me. For that, I'm thankful.
And there's another level I haven't really addressed yet, that the fear of energy manipulation is well founded. As in Christinaity, the skeptic's issue is virtue, not psi.
love,
John
Bandershot 3 years ago
Skepticism is a psychopathic obsession. You can see it here in the posts by detractors like tfnee88. While attacking credentials, they show none of their own. With few exceptions, like Shermer and Hyman, they hide behind false id's. They insist that there is no evidence for something, such as double blind trials of it, then when shown it, they continue to insist that its not there. Skeptics are usually scared men deep in denial. Recognize it when you see it and don't let it infect your mind.
Bandershot 3 years ago
yes john they never provide a reasoned argument for their attacks, they use non sequiturs do muddy the waters and avoid the issues, and they attack educated men while providing no scientific credentials of their own, but they are no better than magician randi who has gone after distinguished scientists such as brian josephson and arthur c clarke.
METAL4EVERMAN 3 years ago
tjfnee-Why should ANY of this have meaning to you? You reject the evidence, you argue with the answers, you try to insult me, and then you say yes or no will work 4 a q. I've answered? Yeah, sure. Okay then, YES: H. is the use of SIMILARS. But why should you care if you think its bunk? What is wrong with you? If you're trying to be a show oaf, call up Rush Limbaugh and scream at him for using homeopathic products, you'll have a larger audience. He's good at pissing matches.
love,
John
Bandershot 3 years ago
hi john this nut tjfnee insults others for not being educated and at the same time he uses insults like fucktard and expects people to think he is educated, on another video he is very defensive about his support for the randi cult, he seems embarrased that he is exposed as being a sheep follower of james randi.
METAL4EVERMAN 3 years ago
Metalman- Thanks for the heads up.
love,
John
Bandershot 3 years ago
I haven't yet rejected any evidence because you have yet to proffer any. Whether plants grow by adding water is a no brainer. Evidence for homeopathy would take the form of double blind experiments with the proper control group. This has yet to be accomplished with success in homeopathy. Meanwhile, it matters very much whether this is bunk for a variety of reasons that include fraud, misleading the public, avoidance of "drug" labeling, and use of tax payer money in support of silly studies.
tjfnee88 3 years ago
tjfnee-What are you ta;lking about? You';ve rejected ALL the evidence. Anyone can read the published the reports and see your insistence that they don't exist. IF you could handle the truth you would have never entered this forum as a sock puppet to write the things you've written. Prove me wrong. If you want to discuss this anymore you'll have to put a real name and face on what you politely write about the evidence, because tfnee88 is now forever blocked.
love,
John
Bandershot 3 years ago
tjfnee88 writes: ". . Show us a homeopathic cure that works or shut the * up."
To answer tjfnee:
Okay! Thanks to Darwin's experiments, the chemotropic nastic reaction of drosera rotundiflora (carnivorous plant, the N. American sundew)) to homeopathic ammonium carbonicum makes a great visual demonstration of a homeopathic hi dilute because it reacts quickly and is easily double blinded.
As to whether it was cured of anything is up to a court to decide.
love,
John Benneth
Bandershot 3 years ago
You did not answer the question. Where are the homeopathic remedies that work? Why persist in your apology of homeopathy if you can find not a single "remedy" that works? Homeopathy is the notion that basically water can cure disease. If you are suggesting something else, you should stop talking about homeopathy entirely and focus on whatever it is you are claiming, because you consistently fail to provide any proof whatsoever for homeopathy.
tjfnee88 3 years ago 3
tjfnee88- The answer I've given you should be obvious to you and anyone elose: How can a plant react to a placebo? Look, you can order the plants by mail order online and do the test for yourself within a week. This will show you that it not just plain water. Okay? Why can't you accept that? I'm not trying to sell you anything. But you've already made up your own mind, so believe what you want. Likewise, why should you care what I believe in? It is my life, isn't it?
love,
John Benneth
Bandershot 3 years ago
Are you trying to cure plants now? Homeopathy is concerned with curing plants? Get real; you're not winning any arguments with your strange ploy. What homeopathic "remedy" are you alleging works?
tjfnee88 3 years ago 2
tjfnee88- I've given you the answer. Look, I don't mean to cloud your world view, but for legal purposes, patent & energy medicines can not be advertised to cure anything. Yr mixing up yr questions w/angry charges ranging from "h. isn't any different from plain water" to now "prove that it works" . . presumably on people.
I've given you some methods that show the action of high dilutes. But homeopathnic prescribing requires an interview w/a doctor. Find 1 & tell him yr problem.
love,
John
Bandershot 3 years ago
There is no legal impediment to discussing a homeopathic cure that you believe works; nor are you prescribing something in providing your opinion that a cure works. Whether a plant will grow if you add water has no impact on the question. Which homeopathic cures do you believe work as against which diseases? You'll never answer it, you'll just continue your boring apology of an entirely bogus concept.
tjfnee88 3 years ago 3
tjfnee88- Arsenicum album affects the growth of plants, as does Staphysagria (U. of Bologna) Dilutes of the pathogen can inoculate (Jonas). Now, I don't expect you to understand this, because you refuse to run objective tests instead of your mouth. But homeopathic prescribing for disease is most effective when it is done constitutionally, not symptomatically. For example, Arsenicum a. is often used to treat the diseases of people who are mean spirited and have a skeptical nature.
love,
John
Bandershot 3 years ago
So homeopathy is now concerned with watering the plants? Here is a simple test for everyone; take two of the same type of plants, use his silly homeopathic water on one and regular tap water on the other. Make sure they are both kept in the same conditions. Wonder if they both will grow? Meanwhile, we're still waiting to hear about an alleged specific homeopathic cure for a specific disease; to say it is "constitutional" is a contradiction of homeopathic claims that "like cures like", etc.
tjfnee88 3 years ago
tjfnee88-Yes, homeopathic solutions can accelerate or retard plant growth. Kolisko reported on it in the 1920's & the work has been carried on by the University of Bologna in Italy. Carnivorous plants, however, show a chemotropic reaction within minutes. Try water with a drop of h. ammonium carbonicum in it on a sundew to curl the leaf, something plain water can't do.
For more on constitutional prescribing for disease, goto the Stehlin article on the FDA website, or Google it.
love,
John
Bandershot 3 years ago
tjfnee88-You're asking for a specific remedy 4a specific disease. Specific treatment of symptoms has not been as effective as treating the whole person with a remedy, called unicist or constitutional treatment.
For example, Darwin's chronic debilitating nausea disappeared after h. treatment. Specifically, he could've been given h. ipecac, but the symptoms would only temp. subside. For a lasting cure his constitution might have called for Arsenicum.
Get it?
Try 2b nicer, ok?
love,
John
Bandershot 3 years ago
Now that is a very interesting position to take. Let's see, homeopathy was founded by Hahnemann who said that like cured liked. To this day, that is the touchstone of homeopathy; "like cures like". It is also a specific thing; if you are posioned by arsenic, you take an arsenic dilution to "cure" you. There is nothing in the fraud of homeopathy to suggest the philosophy is changed to the "whole person" approach. Homeopathy has always been very specific in that it can cure specific disease.
tjfnee88 3 years ago
tjnee88-No, there's a difference between IDENTICAL, isopathy, & LIKE, homeopathy. The two are easily confused. Isopathy just adds more of the same, homeopathy flanks the disease.
Look, my friend, you're having problems reconciling conflicts. If homeopathy was fraud, governments around the world would have shut it down long ago. You need to reconcile both widespread skepticism and acceptance. I suggest you think on what motivates your hostility to what the FDA has already covered.
love,
John
Bandershot 3 years ago
Homeopathy "flanks" the disease? What? That has no meaning. Does homeopathy operate upon the notion that like cures like? A simple yes/no would work. I suggest to you that if you answer no, you are not advocating homeopathy but something else entirely as your response would then oppose all past and current homeopathic "thought", to the extent such ramblings could be considered actual thought.
tjfnee88 3 years ago 2
Tastentier- If you made a serious study ofthe subject before you, you wouldn't make such a stupid suggestion. Come on, if you want to make a real contribution to this discussion, run your own botanical tests using real h. remedies and see the evidence before you embarass yourself any further. -John
Bandershot 4 years ago
I know for a FACT that homeopathy works. I've been studying to use these medicines for a year now and I have seen results. I have seen results in people that didn't believe in them. I have used them on my pets and have seen great results. I love homeopathy and I believe it is the wave of the future!
DecemberMoonGoddess 4 years ago
Haha, u realise its just water? it is one drop of ingredient in the equivalent of 14 OCEANS. Thats water!
narrielegend 4 years ago
You're the one that doesn't get it. We don't believe homeopathy's motive force to be ortho-molecularly driven. Extensive phsyical analysis of high dilutes reveals no conclusion other than the dilution and succussion process, used in the creation of h. remedies, alters the hydrogen bond structure of what began as plain water.
Bandershot 4 years ago
sure! although all REAL scientists have rubbished that suggestion. The homeopathic effect is purely as a placebo or the fact that the person/animal just got better naturally.
narrielegend 4 years ago
It doesn't take an advanced degree to see a carnivorous plant's nastic reaction to a homeopathic high dilute. See DARWIN PROVES HOMEOPATHY. Also, meta-analysis by a university level research team found that h. was not placebo; see RE: James Randi Explains homeopathy. I'll seend you the videos. Please comment.
Bandershot 4 years ago
Jesus wept. You realise there's a difference between "low concentration" and "no concentration", yes?
And that'll be the same Darwin that railed again homeopathy in his letters? Calling it "a subject which makes me more wrath, even than does Clair-voyance"?
wizzardssleeve 4 years ago
Yes, the same Darwin who laughed at it w/his dad, &who, like so many of us that investigtd homoepathy, at 1st believd its effects were due 2 the imagination. If we cling to that, we must now believe that plants have imaginations, 2. 'Course, if YOU have the courage 2 perform the test4 yrself, then you'r faced w/having 2 exp. it 2 yrself as 2 why u were so mean in yr judgement.
Bandershot 4 years ago
Please. He was surprised how low a dose could produce an effect. That has no similarity with homeopathic preparations, which have zero-dose. This is just a desperate - and fraudulent - ploy to gain homeopathy some scientific credibility it's not due.
Besides, I thought succussion was a pre-requisite for homeopathic remedies? Which there's no evidence he did.
wizzardssleeve 4 years ago
You're providing us with the classical declination of an argument by a skeptic coming to grips with evidence that is contrary to his negative theory, a theory that could be sustained or put to rest by putting it to the test: Can a homeopathic high dilute trigger the nastic reaction in a carnivorous plant? Why not try it? Why sit on a theory that'll never hatch w/o trial?
Bandershot 4 years ago
If you really believe in homeopathy, please make this test: Mix one shotglass of whiskey with a whole bottle of water. Then fill the mixture into a shotglass and mix it with another bottle of water. Repeat this a few hundred times. If homeopathy did work, you should now have the most potent alcoholic beverage on earth. Drink it and see if you get totally wasted. Or save your time and let common sense tell you that you won't feel a thing, because the homeopathic method is bullshit.
Tastentier 4 years ago 4
Excellent example. Hahnemann, the modern "founder" of homeopathy fraud, would have initially treated a patient intoxicated by alcohol with more alcohol because, according to him, "like cures like". Of course, he killed many patients, so then decided that diluting poisons such that the compound was indistinguishable from water was even more potent. This, of course, ensured that his patients did not die from his treatment; instead, they died from whatever illness he was not capable of curing.
tjfnee88 4 years ago 3
tjfnee- I take it you're not gainfully employed. Maybe you could get work in Reno doing stand up comedy. - John Benneth
Bandershot 4 years ago
tjfnee88 writes: "No clue where you got that from; it doesn't even make sense. The only comedy here are you sympathetic beliefs and apologist attempts. Show us a homeopathic cure that works or shut the * up."
(Edited for foul language -John)
To answer tjfnee: Thanks to Darwin, the nastic reaction of drosera rotundiflora (carnivorous plant) to homeopathic ammonium carbonicum makes a good visual demo of a hi dilute because it reacts quickly and is easily double blinded.
love,
John Benneth
Bandershot 3 years ago
Of course plants show a hydronastic reaction to water, no matter what sort of water. Do you have a link to a double-blind study where the effects of a highly diluted substance is tested against the effects of pure water? Of course I'm even more inetersted in properly double-blinded studies that show the supposed effects of homeopathic remedies on humans.
Tastentier 3 years ago 4
I know for a FACT that homeopathic remedies are not just a placebo affect. I have been training to use these medicines for a year now and I have seen results. I have seen results in people that did not believe in them whatsoever. I have used them on my animals and have seen great results. I love homeopathy and I truly believe it is the wave of the future!
DecemberMoonGoddess 4 years ago
Bandershot you say James Randi has no obligation to pay out. But by your logic Benneth has no obligation to pay out his $1000 challenge. The BBC entered the million dollar challenge for homeopathy and failed.
fooljeff 4 years ago
Yeah, so what's the point?
Bandershot 4 years ago
The point is people have Won the $1000 challenge and did not get paid. While no one has won the million dollar challenge. Did the BBC enter Benneth's challenge and fail? No. Why don't you try and get them to? You might earn some credibility.
fooljeff 4 years ago
Who are you talking about? No one's applied for the $1000 Skeptic challenge. A friend of Randi's claimed he had proof, demanded the $1000, threatened to sue, then backed off when confronted with the rules, and finally BEGGED not to have his identity exposed. The rules for the Benneth Challenge are the same as they are for the Randi Challenge. Check them for yourself.
Bandershot 4 years ago
Mr Benneth, I believe there is a man with a Million Dollar check for you. What are you waiting for?
mrpossibilities 4 years ago
Why do you think he's begging for money at the end of his anti-homeopathy video? He'll need something better than magic tricks if he's going to live long enough to pay off all the people who claim homeopathy works.
How much money have you sent Randi, Mr. Possibilities?
Bandershot 4 years ago
You'll Never See the Money From that little troll, MAYBE lenny hipp can kick in some cash
shidoadowaza 4 years ago
Do you know of any double-blind trials in which a homeopathic remedies did better than placebos?
rebeccatrishel 4 years ago
Rebecca- Yes. A team of doctors that included U.S. NIH director Wayne Jonas, M.D., did a meta-analysis of 89 double blind and/or randomized placebo-controlled trials entitled "Are the clinical effects of homeopathy placebo effects?" They found overwhelmingly in favor of homeopathy. Results were published in the Lancet 1997; 350:834-43
Bandershot 4 years ago
You can change many physical properties of solvents by adding a solute. It simply does not follow that it will work as a biological remedy.
haucks 4 years ago
The problem haucks, is that for 200 years people have been reporting that it does work, supported by metanalysis in the Lancet, meticulous biochemical studies over decades (Boyd, Persson, Ennis et al) biochemical studies reported in Inflamation Research and other pubs. What's puzzling is why people like you haven't examined the literature and made your own biological tests of it.
Bandershot 4 years ago