Steny Hoyer Booed At Town Hall Meeting

[SpinCage]

Term limits NOW!

[LibertyMike1]

Steny Hoyer is a bureaucrat! 

[mnsout]

Now, this cry baby is complaining about someone threatening him. BOO HOO, you big fucking crybaby. You and your congress have gutted America like a fish and you can't take a few complaints. Fuck you in hell! Why dont you fight the terrorist like you fight us Americans ...we could win the war!? Get used to it Bush had to!

[GooglyEyedSpaceman]

Hoyer is a moron.

[leycyp]

Challengers 5th U.S. Congressional District in Maryland.

COLLINS BAILEY (R)

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CHARLES J. LOLLAR (R)

8201 Corporate Dr.

Landover, MD 20785

Tel. # 301-358-6264

Andrew Gall (D)

[Flap999]

I believe we are spending about 17% of our GDP on healthcare...highest in the world iirc. Do we need to change things in this area? Absolutely we do. Do we need to create yet another bloated administration for Congress to rob? NO! If your car has a broken windshield, would you buy a new car if you could not afford it? I wouldn't. I would repair tha car. Repair Medicare/Medicaid, alter it to cover every LEGAL American citizen and forget this ridiculous Obamacare folly.

[adhdorbipolar]

Excuse me! How people with "pre-existing conditions or un-employed are going to get health insurance? I never imagined that there could be so many devoted Christian willing to share the bread with the poor...and they go to church and fall sleep without any regrets. What an interesting animal specie humans are!

[conservefreedom98]

There is a reason why the debate is focused only on people that have no coverage. This is a red herring - a majority of people with coverage want to keep what they have - they just want lower costs, and a national plan would drive these private options out of the picture. We need to decrease costs, so more can afford it and the people that have it can keep it. A nationalize plan will accomplish neither of those goals. A nationalized plan is not reform - it is an overhaul.

[vrod2003ad]

More common ground. I agree that it is an overhaul. I also agree with your goal of reducing costs and increasing affordability.

The problems are multi-faceted. New technologies and drugs cost a great deal of money to even make it to FDA approval and it then takes years before the product will be reimbursed by payers, including Medicare. The failures are absorbed and further increase costs.

Reducing costs without impacting technology = rationing and that is everyone's ultimate fear.

[conservefreedom98]

vrod:  Right on.

[Slipknotyk06]

@conservefreedom98 - unfortunately. the plan we got was nearly as bad as just nationalizing the whole thing. It's a horrible plan written by people not in congress.

[vrod2003ad]

"We can have facts without thinking but we cannot have thinking without facts." - John Dewey

The facts have been lost in this discussion. I have worked in the healthcare industry in various capacities for 20 years. The approach being taken is kill the messenger.

There are plenty of places in history where that would have amounted to doom for our society and perhaps the human race. We need to understand the problem and then we can determine the best solution.

[vrod2003ad]

Seriously? How about some focus on the facts? He was booed because people tend to just make noise and cuss when they are ignorant of the facts. Worse, they want to remain that way because they prefer to have their thoughts determined by an idealogue. That applies to both parties.

The facts are simple. We need to do something different if we want everyone to have health insurance. That requires discussion and dialogue, not boos and jeers.

[conservefreedom98]

vrod: Stop perpetuating the 'we have to do something' idea, as to say that anyone that doesn't want the FED to destroy our healthcare system is happy with it the way it is. A national system will eliminate the private option over time, deteriorate care, and can NEVER be reversed. Even if you are skeptical, why not try tort reform? HSAs? For God's sake, lets do something we can reverse if it doesn't work. If you hand it to the FED it's gone forever. Get it?

[vrod2003ad]

How many times have we tried to institute health reform and yet nothing gets done. We have tried tort reform. It has helped, but it is not a cure. We have tried HSA's. Again, some help, but not a cure.

As for the government destroying everything, the majority of physicians believe that Medicare is the easiest insurance to bill and get paid. The private insurance sector has made their lives such hell they are opting out and setting up concierge practices.

[conservefreedom98]

vrod: The govt needs to do what it was made to do - Promote and preserve an environment where free markets can prosper, with a controlled amount of oversight. We need a simpler tax code, and less restraints on success.

I don't know the perfect solution for our system. But turning it into a system that is failing everywhere else, a system that we will never be able to get rid of, is insane.

[vrod2003ad]

I work in the system. I provide guidance to medical device and pharmaceutical companies to get compensated for their products. I work with both government and private insurance plans. I also work with physicians and administrators. No one knows the perfect solution because there is none.

I don't want a government run program either, but I do want a meaningful process to educate everyone about how healthcare really works. Most don't have a clue.

[conservefreedom98]

vrod: Good then we have found common ground. I agree that the facts have largely been lost on both sides of this issue. The 40 million uninsured figure alone is very misleading because it doesn't take into account the people that choose to waive coverage to save money, among others.

[vrod2003ad]

Agreed. The total figure of uninsured and underinsured is likely higher than 40 million, but just like unemployment figures, they are not designed to take into consideration those that have made a conscious choice.

However, as Americans we always want more so the majority who are uninsured or underinsured are most likely in that position because of their inability to afford coverage.

[HammeringOracle]

Weren't the black upset when they enslaved to people, working hard for their masters. I fell like a slave, the more the government takes my money to give to someone else. I thought we did away with slavery. Why does "free" health care cost more the private health care. Because it isn't free.

[vrod2003ad]

Whether anyone wants to admit it or not, we are all paying the cost of healthcare for those without insurance. You are correct - it is not free. However, under the present model, tens of millions go without preventive care, screening, etc. and that ends up costing us more money. The cost of care for those that actually pay for it increases in large part to subsidize those without it. Not your tax dollars, but your premiums. This is a different model not a new concept.

[IdiotsForObamaCom]

LIBBS ARE DUMB.

idiots4obama com

[vrod2003ad]

Do you have proof of your hypothesis or are you simply reflecting?

[papipablo]

No one should come between you and your doctor, unless your a woman with a functioning reproductive system. Republicans are hypocritical, inbred morons.

[yelowgizmo]

I hear some boo's but also a lot of applause. and if Bush didn't spend all the money in wars and tax cuts, the public option will be free!

[conservefreedom98]

yelow: Blah blah blah Bush bush bush Blah blah blah. Obama is making Bush's spending look like pocket change. Indeed, Bush blew billions of dollars. It is what it is. But nothing is free. Stop playing 3rd grader he hit me first BS by pointing back at Bush. Just because we are against Govt takeover of healthcare doesn't mean we think Bush did everything (or anything, for that matter), right.

[yelowgizmo]

if you are against government running health, call for the abolition of medicare and the VA and tell all those republicans sellouts to renounce to them healthcare, bunch of hypocrites!

[conservefreedom98]

yelow: That would be like walking out of Iraq. If you believe we shouldn't be there fine, but you don't pull the plug and make the situation worse.

This is why people aren't in favor of yanking universal healthcare in Britain and Canada. Hard to pull the plug once entitlements have sunk their roots deep into the foundation of the country.

That is another reason why govt programs are so destructive. They are almost impossible to get rid of. Wake up. The signs are everywhere.

[yelowgizmo]

I kind of agreeing with you, unions for me are an example, when they get in, is almost impossible to get them out. whether we stay or leave, the mistake was to invade them, now, I know some Canadians, they're happy with their system, I'm going by what I know, not by the propaganda. go to a public hospital and see if you find happy people, fact is, a lot of people have no health insurance and no way to get it

[conservefreedom98]

yelow: And with all due respect can we please stop basing an analysis of an entire system on what 3 people you know say? Look at the facts and you will see that the quality of care in Canada doesn't compare to America. The success rates aren't even close for many different types of treatment. In the UK they are letting terminally ill people die early to save money. Yay, sign me up.

[yelowgizmo]

I feel better when I look around me because is real, for me those are facts no what Rush claim as facts, I think America as a country, can do a lot of things and they are good, and for me that is a fact

[conservefreedom98]

yelow: You say conservatives are pure hate, yet you just accused me of disliking my country. Conservatives operate out of a love of country and interest in PRESERVING it's foundation of freedom, not changing it. That is the desire of Liberals. Saying a Conservative is un-American is an oxy moron. Are there hateful Conservatives? Of course. But what you will find in most cases is it has nothing to do with conservatism. Stupidity transcends all demographics.

[yelowgizmo]

my comment was not based in hate, I don't even know you, but you were bashing all the government run programs, if you don't like your government therefore, you don't like your country, that was the credo of the last presidency. I'm looking forward to talk to you in the future, my brake is over. thanks for a nice discution

[conservefreedom98]

yelow: I didn't bash anything. I said the Government is terrible at running things, and handing them the healthcare system will cripple it like it has crippled nearly everything else. America is great because we understand the secret. It can be summed up in the first three words of our constitution: WE THE PEOPLE.

Indeed, good discussion.

[conservefreedom98]

yelow: 'America is good' is not a fact. I agree with it, but It is an opinion. America can do a lot of things, as long as it's greatness isn't stifled by bureaucracy. That is why our healthcare quality if the envy of the world. Not because the government made it that way.

Just like Obama himself said.. UPS and Fedex are doing just fine. it's the post office that's always having problems. watch?v=bqUmuZnmf7A

[vrod2003ad]

The U.S. Post Office charged $.20 to mail a letter anywhere in the U.S. in 1981. Today that cost is $.44. Increase of 54.5% or 1.95%/yr. FedEx charged $9.50 for an overnight letter in 1981 to anywhere in the U.S. Today that cost is a minimum of $17.00 (Tampa to Orlando - 2hr drive) and $33.50 for New York to Los Angeles. The more typical user is going to go longer distances. The increase is 253% or 9%/yr. We would all be doing well if we could increase our wages by 9% each year.

[conservefreedom98]

vrod: Of course the USPS is cheaper, it doesn't have to turn a profit, so it doesn't compete head-to-head with Fedex and UPS directly. The USPS is largely used for letters, and the other carriers for everything else. Have you tried to ship a 200 pound package USPS? No one can compete with the USPS because they operate outside of the free enterprise competitive market. Same deal with happen with universal Healthcare. You've helped make my point rather nicely. Thanks. ; )

[conservefreedom98]

vrod: Do you have more context-less numbers to toss around or do you get the picture now?

[vrod2003ad]

Actually you missed the point. The private sector increases their prices to make profits and did so at a level well beyond the cost of providing the service. Using that same logic, private enterprise would be charging at least $1 to mail a letter and the rate would be tweaked depending on how far it had to go. There is a role for government in some places to ensure access for all. Clearly, with 40 million uninsured, private insurance is not doing the job.

[conservefreedom98]

vrod: So you disagree that a comparison between a non-profit subsidized govt. system like the postal service and a private operation that doesn't even provide the same services is asinine?

People boo when they disagree with someone, irregardless if they have facts or not.

Saying 'we need to do something different' is a lousy argument for handing the entire system over to the FED so they can bloat and mismanage it like they do everything else. Seen the tax code lately?

[vrod2003ad]

You have to start somewhere. How would you suggest they be compared?

To disagree with someone is fine. Of course that assumes that you a) understand the discussion and b) have analyzed the facts to reach a conclusion that differs from the other party. The problem with these Town Hall meetings is that there is no discussion.

The people have been brain washed, on both sides, and the only thing happening is manic behavior. A senior citizen just got his finger bitten off at one in FL.

[conservefreedom98]

vrod: People are not coming to these meetings to have a discussion. They are infuriated because their interests are NOT being represented in Congress.

Who is indoctrinating them? Fox News? Rush Limbaugh?

This is a response to bailouts, stimulus packages, and a healthplan that Americans DO NOT WANT. Period. There are people coming to these rallies quoting legislation. They aren't all ignorant.

[conservefreedom98]

yelow: BTW, I haven't quoted Rush Limbaugh once in this conversation. You already called me Un-American, now I'm a rushie neo-con, eh? You have any other tired mindless Lib-tactics to throw at me?

[yelowgizmo]

again, I don't think you are un-american or a rushie neo-con, if you want to go that way is your prerogative, I still think your intentions are good and I don't think my ideas are mindless lib-tactics (whatever that means)

[conservefreedom98]

yelow: And BTW, comparing the VA and Medicare to a nationalized system is like comparing an afternoon Thunder Shower to a Hurricane. It's asinine.

Have you noticed that the VA is totally mismanaged and Medicare is going bankrupt? What about cash for clunkers? USPS? Fannie and Freddie? Do I need to go on?

Government, even in its best state, is but a necessary evil; in its worst state, an intolerable one.

[yelowgizmo]

my mom is in medicare, she and a lot of people I know, are happy, even the nuts yelling at town halls who have it, are happy, I got a new car (Chevy aveo) in cash for clunkers, the only bat thing about it is that is over, the post office still delivering my mail at affordable rates the fire department is the best of the world, as well as the military and no retiree is claiming the SSA is not paying them on time, I'm happy with schools, libraries and parks, seems like you don't like America

[conservefreedom98]

yelow: I don't like America? LOL! I love this country. I love the fundamental foundation of Freedom. Universal Healthcare is the biggest step away from the foundational principles of America in our country's history. Period.

I don't love America. That's hilarious.

[yelowgizmo]

Reagan said the same thing when democrats pass Medicare ans social security, history shows, they were grong

[conservefreedom98]

yelow: I don't get your statement... Who was wrong? Reagan? You know Social Security is a complete failure also, right? It will be bankrupt just in time for all the baby boomers to retire. You should really do some research on the beliefs of the Founding Fathers. If you are contrasting yourself with me by saying I don't love America you might want to get some understanding of what America is all about, my friend.

[yelowgizmo]

conserve: you seem like a nice person, I can have a conversation with you but the majority of conservatives are pure hate, I take my hat with you, you are trying to give arguments, I appreciate that, but I disagree

[conservefreedom98]

yelow: Again, millions of people are happy with it because it's free. Millions of people like McDonalds hamburgers because they are cheap. Imagine if the government mandated that McDonalds was the only restaurant. Millions of people wouldn't give a crap, Millions of people would. The quality would be crap but if you like crap then you wouldn't care.

[yelowgizmo]

the proposition here is to have a public option, not mandates, if the government is going to impose things, this will be Cuba and nobody is proposing mandates. let the people to have an option, millions of Americans don't have that right now

[conservefreedom98]

yelow: A public option injected into a free market will not compete fairly. Employers will jump on the cheaper govt program and it will drive others out of business. Period.

Ironic, you say want to give people an option. I want people to have more than one option.

When 88% of people are happy with the plan that THEY PAY FOR every month, why would you nix it for something else? FIX IT! if we try to fix it and fail, we can try something else. Once we hand it to the FED, it's gone forever.

[bigtex501]

******PUBLIC OPTION********

According to the Congressional Budget Offices Report....

ONLY... **10% SAVINGS** in premiums over Private Health Care Insurance Carriers?

And......... a **NET INCREASE** to the Federal DEFICIT of $1,042,000,000,000.00??????

Why would ANYONE support obamer "PUBLIC OPTION"????

[imaginepeace63]

Steny Hoyer sucks. You are helping to put insurance companies between us and our doctor.  You sellout.

[mommalu2614]

vote this piece of crap out. him, pelosi, and reid are all in trouble. out out out all of them.. boooooooooooo to them all. see ya on 9/12 in washington

[OsseaShredder]

He was right, so he gets booed? He was smiling, he knows they're stupid.

[suitmanjm]

They also clapped. Hey why is this cup half empty? :(

[TheNinethClient]

Who are the cheering useful idiots that think the same people that screwed up Medicare, Medicaid, the VA hospitals, the Post Office, Amtrak, and everything else they've ever touched can make ØbamaCare☠☭™ work?

[shadowtehpwnzor]

It's called public option you fucking douche bag. Insurance companies are the DEATH PANELS right now. Man you people are fucking dense

[Boomer1949]

Doesn't matter. I've read HR3200 and parts of the Senate bill. I have yet to read Dodd's bill, which is the favored one. The two I've read are written for the insurance industry, not for everyday Americans. Single payer is cheerer and easier to do than both bills. By pass insurance when you can and pay cash.

[midevalcheese]

The people know he's telling lies!

[ryanmail2004]

lol

[BlayneDouglas]

OH, you wackjob republicans are such little bitches.

[megaminxmaster]

wackjob republicans? why, cause they want government to stay the hell out of their lives? for your information, that's how government was suppose to be you liberal nutcase.

[ecwaufisxtreme]

Hoyer is Sarah Palin's DICKLESS and BALLESS BITCH and PUSSY! Palin is a SUPERIOR politician and statesman than Hoyer could ever be. She is also MORE MAN than he is for Hoyer wears the skirt in his family while his wife wears the pants!

[pobrien]

um...his wife died over 10 yrs ago, yeah your really a class act

[ecwaufisxtreme]

When Palin becomes POTUS after PWNING Obambi, she will EXPOSE Hoyer's PUSSY along with EVERY MAN in DC and DESTROY his credibility and career! Palin will DRIVE all these old men OUT of DC and have her government run entirely by WHITE WOMEN! The Old Boys Network will be replaced by the HOT WHITE CHICKS Network!

[Shadow9392]

How do you boo that? It's the truth!

[thenewvoice8]

cause they are thick as shit is my guess!

I can't work out what they were booing at - as Insurance Companies are between docs and patients - do they think that is good? I can't work it out

These people are complete nutters

[rollinmitchell1]

We boo the facts! BOO THE FACTS!!!!

[nmreich]

Fucker.

[junkforkaryn]

you know the world is coming to an end when insurance companies become the heroes. just cover the smart people who want single payer coverage and let the boo'ers throw their money and families to the insurance companies. sort of like throwing the christians to the lions. yeah, that works for me. if anyone is even remotely worried about government take-over, just start counting the stupid people and you'll realize how safe the corporate health insurance industry is, and always will be.

[billthebutcher2]

How could you even argue with that? That's like saying the sky is blue, of course, they are in between you and your doctor. If they weren't they would never deny coverage or turn people down for preexisting conditions.

[grifonecoronato]

BOOO!!! How dare he utter a statement of fact?! BOOO!!

[elecbass100]

lol I love the people in denial booing - getting an appointment covered is worse than burnt pancakes :/

[BabybooR33]

BBBOOOO!!!

[SubmarinerAndroid]

Of course most of those booing didn't know that what the congressman said is correct, because they can't afford insurance.

[thane17]

Why don't these congressman just drop it. Its been made very clear the American People don't want this crap. Last person I want handling my health care is this man.

[chunksloth]

The last person I want deciding government policy is the retarded neocon right, which has done everything in its power to destroy this country.

[integral]

You mean the shouting misinformed idiots screaming at the town hall meetings don't want it.

Last poll I saw said that 77% of Americans want a public option.

You don't happen to think Fox nooze is fair and balanced, do you?

[TheRamenAvenger]

The American people voted for change. We won. You lost. You had 6 years to pass whatever you wanted and you didn't fix anything. So why don't YOU just drop it?

[thane17]

its pretty clear now that this isn't the change they expected. They are saying NO!  But all you libs are going down in flames, and i'm roasting marshmellows as it plays out.

[TheRamenAvenger]

It's only clear in your deluded mind. Just because Glenn Beck and a bunch of yelling morons at town hall meetings don't like it, does not make it so. Sorry to disappoint you!

Enjoy the next 7 years of President Obama :)

[thane17]

haha, i'm not even remotely afraid thats a possibility.

If you are honestly interested in how these things work why don't you start looking into basic economics. Its what this all boils down to. Try Peter Schiff for starters. Youtube some of his videos and then when you're informed and still don't agree at least we can have a meaningful discussion of ideas.

[TheRamenAvenger]

Peter Schiff whose clients lost an absolute fortune (worse than the market overall) last year? Who predicts hyperinflation and that the dollar will be useless (but won't say when ... just someday)? That Peter Schiff?

And what does that even have to do with knuckle-draggers yelling at congresspeople in town hall meetings? Are they Peter Schiff fans or what?

[thane17]

No that must be another Peter Schiff. The one I am speaking of has been making the biggest returns of his life. This Peter Schiff can't open offices fast enough. This Peter Schiff KNOWS the dollar will collapse and we will see hyperinflation just like he KNEW the dotcom bubble would burst and the housing markets would crash.

I'm probably wasting my breath but sometimes I have this lingering hope that you people aren't so stupid, you're just misinformed.

[TheRamenAvenger]

lol, you're a Peter Schiff fan and you berate someone for being ignorant without knowing about the massive massive amount of money people lost in his fund. That's awesome! Oh the irony.

The Wall Street Journal article is titled "Right Forecast by Schiff, Wrong Plan?" by the way. Of course Peter Schiff has spent a LOT of effort trying to counter/cover/excuse/confuse since that came out. But hey, he has books to sell.

I'm sure his fund is doing fine now, just like the entire market. BFD.

[thane17]

That article has been debunked a million times.

I don't think you'd recognize the truth if it jumped up and hit you in the face.

[TheRamenAvenger]

LOL!!! No. No it hasn't. Reality can't be debunked. Those people were real and they lost real money.

You know the Wall Street Journal ... that lying liberal tabloid! Right? Good stuff.

I'm starting to think Peter Schiff devotees are right up there with Alex Jones. Reality just doesn't penetrate.

[thane17]

Actually I am a client of Peter Schiffs and my accounts have done VERY well. Mine went down in 2008 just like most everybody elses, but then I bought as much as I could while they were low and now i'm up 37% total! Not just from the lows but, total return!

Few can say they've done that well.

Hows that for reality? ; )

[ApocalypticMetalHead]

lol

[silentonall]

Sounded like a 60(in favor) 40(against).

It could of been a flamer-liberal on a parametric equalizer on the post sound mix.........

[C2apostle]

Siding with health insurance companies - what imbeciles.