@gugucatko "Wouldn´t it be faster to use diamond core drill with enougt large diametr say we 15cm? It would also make less noise."Maybe, but the fact is in the real world making a hole that size in a safe that size may or may not get the person making it anything. In practice a safe like that will have multiple shelves and that little hole is only going to access the contents on one of them.
@Loyal2Liberty "I want to see the test done on a TRTL 30X6 or TRTL 60X6." With the appearance of affordable lightweight exothermic rigs the TR rating does not give the protection it used to. AFAIK that rating only applies to conventional cutting torches it does not apply to exothermic equipment. I used to use one on heavy equipment repairs (Mostly hollowing out seized pins to drive them out) I could pierce 8+ inches of steel in less than 5 minutes with a single rod change.
No one cracks a safe head first (at the door) unless its a TL-30x6 (which not many people own cause its too expensive anyway) the safe cracker will most likely hit the sides or roof
With all the noise that was made to try to open this safe, with the right type of saw and blade , making the same noise this safe would-be open in less then 15 minutes ...by then the cops would most likely be their
you just need a hole big enough for you to stick your arm in the safe and grab what you want, just do like these guys but do it at the side, for example big movie theatres, they have a lot of cash after a saturday night, locking yourself in with the right tools, and your in, start wen everyones gane, you got yourself about 150 a 70n k in a night
@nickstix06 Not necessarily true....only on a gun safe, a cash drop safe, an entry level safe is the door strongest. On a jewelry class safe is the entire safe equally strong except directly on and around the lock about three inches which is where there are vital parts needed to be protected by a anti-drill plate(s) of steel. They were working about ten inches above the locks.
@crackerms0100 umm not really on most safes the door is the strongest part. plus if it has a glass re-locker your very very unlikely to get through the front(i am aware this safe doesn't have one, just saying). a torch, concrete saw(type that's used to cut roadways open)a sledge hammer, and a bottle of water is all u need......plus u gota have time on ur side.
Having already seen the construction of the safe, these people obviously didn't select the right tools. It's surprising how many locksmith stores leave their safe (that are for sale )with the doors open for customer inspection yet also display it to would be thieves.
lol. we leave the safes open, yes. but the locking mechanism and everything that a thief would NEED to know, is underneath the door panel, which we do not remove. The only people that could get into a safe like this (or most safes, for that matter) would be professionals, who take up less than 1% of the population of burgulars. and it would take them much longer than 30 minutes, if they wanted to do it somewhat stealthily.
Whilst I appreciate that picking such a safe would be near impossible for "Joe blow" the burglar, when I look at the construction of a safe, when the door is open, I can see weak points, where mechanical manipulation would work, i.e. cutting tools! but that's hardly inconspicuous!
@AirelonTrading the door is often the strongest part of a safe, thus I often avoid it! I was employed to open a old bank vault at a disused bank, having seen that model in the past, I knew that just behind the bolts was the weakest/thinnest part of the shell, 8 minutes with the plasma and a few other tools, I was in bingo! What was in the vault, I here you ask.......absolutely nothing, apart from my invoice!
@mathlover101hotmail Evidently you've either never used a plasma cutter or never cut stainless with one. It goes right through it no problem. Plasma cutters do not have the same problems with stainless that conventional cutting torches do. Exothermic lances which you can get in a compact size have even less problem with any of it including masonry fillers.
A safe is a deterrent, none are invincible. For the average person, a unit like this is more than enough--as long as you can't knock it down and pry it open within 10 minutes, it will deter anyone who is likely to go after it. For the semi-valuables I keep, it is highly unlikely that someone is going to scout out my house, shadow me to find out when I'm home, break in, and go to town for 30 minutes with a power-tool which will wake up the entire building--for a few thousand dollars.
Wouldn´t it be faster to use diamond core drill with enougt large diametr say we 15cm? It would also make less noise.
gugucatko 4 weeks ago
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@gugucatko "Wouldn´t it be faster to use diamond core drill with enougt large diametr say we 15cm? It would also make less noise."Maybe, but the fact is in the real world making a hole that size in a safe that size may or may not get the person making it anything. In practice a safe like that will have multiple shelves and that little hole is only going to access the contents on one of them.
mikeah9000 5 days ago
I want to see the test done on a TRTL 30X6 or TRTL 60X6.
Loyal2Liberty 4 months ago
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@Loyal2Liberty "I want to see the test done on a TRTL 30X6 or TRTL 60X6." With the appearance of affordable lightweight exothermic rigs the TR rating does not give the protection it used to. AFAIK that rating only applies to conventional cutting torches it does not apply to exothermic equipment. I used to use one on heavy equipment repairs (Mostly hollowing out seized pins to drive them out) I could pierce 8+ inches of steel in less than 5 minutes with a single rod change.
mikeah9000 5 days ago
Sorry but... the tests from the VDS institute in Germany are tougher if you ask me.
diceman1367 5 months ago
No one cracks a safe head first (at the door) unless its a TL-30x6 (which not many people own cause its too expensive anyway) the safe cracker will most likely hit the sides or roof
trueChaos23 6 months ago
With all the noise that was made to try to open this safe, with the right type of saw and blade , making the same noise this safe would-be open in less then 15 minutes ...by then the cops would most likely be their
mattdeal09 6 months ago
reminds me of Something Stupid by Frank Sinatra
crackerms0100 11 months ago
you just need a hole big enough for you to stick your arm in the safe and grab what you want, just do like these guys but do it at the side, for example big movie theatres, they have a lot of cash after a saturday night, locking yourself in with the right tools, and your in, start wen everyones gane, you got yourself about 150 a 70n k in a night
LONE14SKIN88EAD 1 year ago
the right tools make all the differanc. plus the front of the safe is the hardest place to enter.....start on a side or the top
nickstix06 2 years ago
@nickstix06 Not necessarily true....only on a gun safe, a cash drop safe, an entry level safe is the door strongest. On a jewelry class safe is the entire safe equally strong except directly on and around the lock about three inches which is where there are vital parts needed to be protected by a anti-drill plate(s) of steel. They were working about ten inches above the locks.
crackerms0100 7 months ago
@crackerms0100 umm not really on most safes the door is the strongest part. plus if it has a glass re-locker your very very unlikely to get through the front(i am aware this safe doesn't have one, just saying). a torch, concrete saw(type that's used to cut roadways open)a sledge hammer, and a bottle of water is all u need......plus u gota have time on ur side.
nickstix06 7 months ago
id like to see a theif get into the safes we sell fucktard
SargentandGreenLeaf 2 years ago
what safes do you sell?
kelley350x 2 years ago
American Security : Amsec
SargentandGreenLeaf 2 years ago
Having already seen the construction of the safe, these people obviously didn't select the right tools. It's surprising how many locksmith stores leave their safe (that are for sale )with the doors open for customer inspection yet also display it to would be thieves.
pauloz386 2 years ago
lol. we leave the safes open, yes. but the locking mechanism and everything that a thief would NEED to know, is underneath the door panel, which we do not remove. The only people that could get into a safe like this (or most safes, for that matter) would be professionals, who take up less than 1% of the population of burgulars. and it would take them much longer than 30 minutes, if they wanted to do it somewhat stealthily.
dizzuncan 2 years ago
Whilst I appreciate that picking such a safe would be near impossible for "Joe blow" the burglar, when I look at the construction of a safe, when the door is open, I can see weak points, where mechanical manipulation would work, i.e. cutting tools! but that's hardly inconspicuous!
pauloz386 2 years ago
@pauloz386 Until it throws the bolts ...
AirelonTrading 1 year ago
@AirelonTrading the door is often the strongest part of a safe, thus I often avoid it! I was employed to open a old bank vault at a disused bank, having seen that model in the past, I knew that just behind the bolts was the weakest/thinnest part of the shell, 8 minutes with the plasma and a few other tools, I was in bingo! What was in the vault, I here you ask.......absolutely nothing, apart from my invoice!
pauloz386 1 year ago
@pauloz386 Some safes are TRTL rated ... plasma torches would take a long time getting through since they use stainless steel among other deterrents
mathlover101hotmail 9 months ago
@mathlover101hotmail Evidently you've either never used a plasma cutter or never cut stainless with one. It goes right through it no problem. Plasma cutters do not have the same problems with stainless that conventional cutting torches do. Exothermic lances which you can get in a compact size have even less problem with any of it including masonry fillers.
mikeah9000 5 days ago
A safe is a deterrent, none are invincible. For the average person, a unit like this is more than enough--as long as you can't knock it down and pry it open within 10 minutes, it will deter anyone who is likely to go after it. For the semi-valuables I keep, it is highly unlikely that someone is going to scout out my house, shadow me to find out when I'm home, break in, and go to town for 30 minutes with a power-tool which will wake up the entire building--for a few thousand dollars.
hibob841 2 years ago