@darlingsapphire1 I don't know of any good zoo in which keepers force animals to do anything unless it is something that they must do to avoid danger or harm. I also don't believe most visitors stare, laugh or make nasty comments about the animals. Some children do, but those are the same children who also make nasty remarks about, and laugh at humans. And it seems to me that the animals ignore those kinds of comments from people, just as humans should.
@PGMEagle No, I don't think that's what he is thinking. If that were what he was thinking, there would be no doubt about it. There would be lots of damage - to the other gorillas, to the exhibit, and to the keepers. The Philadelphia Zoo gorillas behave like very content animals.
@darlingsapphire1 No, I don't get the picture. A part of training animals is to offer treats when animals do what the trainer is trying to teach them to do. That's not the same thing as withholding food if they don't obey, which seems to be what you are implying. And regarding some of the things you indicate are stress factors, those occur in the wild, too. Plus, other stress-indicating behavior, such as infanticide, violent behavior toward others in the group, etc. occur
@ZooVisitorMM Yeah your right. Im sure the gorillas would choose life being caged up and forced everyday to be stared at by people rather than to be free in their own enviroment able to do whatever they wish without human interuption. If i were you, i would strongly advise you pick up a book on evolution/animal behavior and look into the facts before making such statements as that. but thanks for the feedback, take care.
if the Philadelphia zoo is anything like the Denver zoo then they have both indoor and outdoor areas for the gorillas. However, during the winter they only have them indoors as the weather outdoors can not be controlled and is far too cold compared with their natural habitat. As for being gawked at etc; the animals in zoos are in a way the ambassadors of those in the wild. They are partially what gives us the awareness of the others out there. The captivity of a few helps protect the others
@V20T18R15O12L12L Thank you for your comment. I agree with everything you say, but I would also like to emphasize again that I believe zoo animals have very good lives. And most zoo animals have almost as many options for variation in their daily routines as many humans do. And even in the wild, animals are not free to just go anywhere or do whatever they want to do. They have territorial boundaries. And their options are also limited by climate, by "pecking order", etc.
@darlingsapphire1 Thank you for your thoughts. I disagree with what you say, though. I believe all the Philadelphia Zoo animals are living very good lives, and wouldn't want to change their lives in any way. Regarding the gorillas, their bodies are not constantly on cement. They have a large outdoor area with grass and bushes. Inside, they have hay, blankets, netting, and all sorts of other materials to sit and lie on, so you are definitely wrong about that.
@darlingsapphire1 None of the Philadelphia Zoo animals seem to mind having visitors looking at them. A few seem more active when the Zoo is less crowded. But others actually seem to prefer having lots of visitors. Regarding the gorillas, they come close to the glass and stare at the visitors as if they are as curious about the visitors as the visitors are about them. They do not show any signs of aggression, or any indication that they want to hide away from visitors.
True every living being, animal or human, faces hardships in life, but in the wild or in
proper sanctuaries they don't have to put up with being told what, where and when to do
something, and have to wait for food, nor have humans staring, laughing and making nasty
remarks about them, etc.In zoos the animals are placed in such a way as to accomodate
the visitors eye contact. These are extra stress factors - visitors can still visibly see animals.
darlingsapphire1 1 month ago
@darlingsapphire1 I don't know of any good zoo in which keepers force animals to do anything unless it is something that they must do to avoid danger or harm. I also don't believe most visitors stare, laugh or make nasty comments about the animals. Some children do, but those are the same children who also make nasty remarks about, and laugh at humans. And it seems to me that the animals ignore those kinds of comments from people, just as humans should.
ZooVisitorMM 1 month ago
That's the same gorilla that I saw yesterday at the philadelphia zoo and that thing is not that little anymore
flysuper78 4 months ago
He's thinking how would you like to be locked up and have people stareing at you all day long.
PGMEagle 7 months ago
@PGMEagle No, I don't think that's what he is thinking. If that were what he was thinking, there would be no doubt about it. There would be lots of damage - to the other gorillas, to the exhibit, and to the keepers. The Philadelphia Zoo gorillas behave like very content animals.
ZooVisitorMM 7 months ago
@ZooVisitorMM I don't think you understand. Animals in zoos are told what to do
and if they don't they don't eat, etc., get the picture.Put youself in their state and
you will be able to understand how they feel. Believe me I have seen all. If the
gorillas or animals do what they are told they get rewards. They cannot be totally
free thinking and free doing. Bald spots,regurgitation,hair plucking,odd movement
are some stress factors.
darlingsapphire1 1 month ago
@darlingsapphire1 No, I don't get the picture. A part of training animals is to offer treats when animals do what the trainer is trying to teach them to do. That's not the same thing as withholding food if they don't obey, which seems to be what you are implying. And regarding some of the things you indicate are stress factors, those occur in the wild, too. Plus, other stress-indicating behavior, such as infanticide, violent behavior toward others in the group, etc. occur
ZooVisitorMM 1 month ago
This is slavery. plain and simple..
Demon666Evil 1 year ago
@Demon666Evil I don't think the Philadelphia Zoo gorillas would agree with you about that.
ZooVisitorMM 1 year ago
@ZooVisitorMM Yeah your right. Im sure the gorillas would choose life being caged up and forced everyday to be stared at by people rather than to be free in their own enviroment able to do whatever they wish without human interuption. If i were you, i would strongly advise you pick up a book on evolution/animal behavior and look into the facts before making such statements as that. but thanks for the feedback, take care.
Demon666Evil 1 year ago
if the Philadelphia zoo is anything like the Denver zoo then they have both indoor and outdoor areas for the gorillas. However, during the winter they only have them indoors as the weather outdoors can not be controlled and is far too cold compared with their natural habitat. As for being gawked at etc; the animals in zoos are in a way the ambassadors of those in the wild. They are partially what gives us the awareness of the others out there. The captivity of a few helps protect the others
V20T18R15O12L12L 1 year ago
@V20T18R15O12L12L Thank you for your comment. I agree with everything you say, but I would also like to emphasize again that I believe zoo animals have very good lives. And most zoo animals have almost as many options for variation in their daily routines as many humans do. And even in the wild, animals are not free to just go anywhere or do whatever they want to do. They have territorial boundaries. And their options are also limited by climate, by "pecking order", etc.
ZooVisitorMM 1 year ago
Gorillas are far more interesting to watch than most human beings, believe me,
but put yourself in the gorillas place - locked in, not free to go anywhere, humans
grins and eyes on you all the time 365 days of the year,you can't pick your own
food, not much privacy, your body is constantly on cement or whatever simulated
material. Why doesn't Philli Zoo and others turn their zoos into sanctuaries for all
the animals - they'll be happier and so will intelligent humans.
darlingsapphire1 1 year ago
@darlingsapphire1 Thank you for your thoughts. I disagree with what you say, though. I believe all the Philadelphia Zoo animals are living very good lives, and wouldn't want to change their lives in any way. Regarding the gorillas, their bodies are not constantly on cement. They have a large outdoor area with grass and bushes. Inside, they have hay, blankets, netting, and all sorts of other materials to sit and lie on, so you are definitely wrong about that.
ZooVisitorMM 1 year ago
if only they had some privacy away from humans eyes, it would be much
healthier for them. Put some fences or something where they can have some
peaceful time without humans staring at them.
darlingsapphire1 1 year ago
@darlingsapphire1 None of the Philadelphia Zoo animals seem to mind having visitors looking at them. A few seem more active when the Zoo is less crowded. But others actually seem to prefer having lots of visitors. Regarding the gorillas, they come close to the glass and stare at the visitors as if they are as curious about the visitors as the visitors are about them. They do not show any signs of aggression, or any indication that they want to hide away from visitors.
ZooVisitorMM 1 year ago
he's probably thinking about what it would be like to be free...
illybang 1 year ago
@illybang Or he could be thinking that he wouldn't be able to find such good nutritionally enhanced food in the wild.
ZooVisitorMM 1 year ago