(Part 3/10) 2008 Presidential Forum at Saddleback Church

[TomerMMHA]

One can say the same about a newborn baby. Or a baby that was born 30 days ago (it's already said by Peter Singer). Maybe you can say it about a baby who was born 15 or 20 years ago. Because if god doesn't exist, by your logic, it's okay to kill human babies.

[bethany990]

What Obama says here is complete BS. Because about 97% of abortion are because of convenience. And he is NOT trying to limit/reduce abortions, because he specifically voted "NO" THREE TIMES to passing a law to protect the rights of babies once they are born after an attempted abortion, and then killed after birth. (Illinois Born Alive Infant Protection Act) Search it if you haven't heard.

[kagnad]

Great headline, but there were a lot of entailed things in that legistlation that I was againsted. If they introduce a true legistlation to protect live babies, Not one person would ever deny it.

[camelhawk]

WRITE IN RON PAUL FOR PRESIDENT

[spiritledd]

I can't believe Obama quoted Micah 6:8 ...to do justly, and to love mercy, and to walk humbly with God...in the same breath as I am pro choice. Obama pretends to have virtues, moral or religious beliefs, principles, etc., that he does not actually possess, esp. a person whose actions belie stated beliefs.

[erikbateson]

Go to 9:12-Obama's about to say Clarence Thomas wasn't experienced, but quickly changes his wording so as to not invite a comparison to himself.

[ddrfreak456]

does anybody else notice how obama never truly answers the questions given? he talks eloquently around every question and even Rick Warren can see it :)

and it makes me mad how he would not have appointed 2 of the most amazing supreme court justices.

Vote McCain

[dadosmrado]

and you are right that this debate would not be in a church if it did not have any effect....but i already said thy only use it for their interests.

[dadosmrado]

The truth is that politicians do not care about abortions. Think about it. Church is separated from state from politics. To have a good country you can not have religion mixed with politics. Abortion or "NO ABORTION" is a religious belief. Politicians can careless about what is going to happen about abortions (meaning weather they;ll increase or decrease). Maccani or obama ...anything they say about abortion they are just saying what people want to hear.THEY CAN CARELESS ABOUT IT.

[westone86]

By the sound of your statements Dadosmrado, you are ignorant of the difference between an opinion and a fact. For your information every word of your comment is not "truth" it is merely your flawed opinion.

Furthermore, if you can name just one governing body that is not effected by any religion (Muslim, Buddhist, Hindu, Christian, Wiccan, etc...) in any way than you are officially the only person on the face of the earth to hold this secret "truth." And by that I mean full of shit.

[westone86]

PS.... That includes history, there are no countries in history that were not effected by religion (Greeks, Romans, Persians, Egyptians, British Empire, etc...)

Separation of church and state is an American concept. One that isn't working too well, considering religion very much effects politics here, think about it... This debate wouldn't have been held in a church if it didn't have any effect.

[dadosmrado]

see, you are an idiot. You did not uderstand what I was trying to say. Maybe I said it wrong but here it is again. Politicians are not influenced by religion they use religion to make wars. They can careless about it ,,,trust me.And the only reason they came to church to debate is because they want to reach voters. The only reason Mccain answered so quick on abortion is because he know what those people sitting there want to hear. You are just an idiot if you think that politicians say truth.

[dadosmrado]

which goes back to religion and how much tey care about it. Even if they did , in order to make political(hipocicy) decisions they have to forget religion. Only time they think about religion is when they have to deal with people(get votes, start wars)....and then all of this goes back to abortion. THEY DONT GIVE A FUCK. Personaly they may not do it because they are do not believe in it but they dont giv a fuck about what you might do with your baby.

[dadosmrado]

Here is how they might give a fuck about weather you abort or not. If they need more workers in next 20 years ,,,,they will stop aboriton in 5 days. More babies more workers. But right now they have enough of work fors form other countires that US pertends are helping.SO......

[westone86]

Religion isn't about abortion. Maybe some religions make a bigger deal out of it than others, but that's not the only issue revolving around religion. I hate to break it to you, but you don't know everything or every person. You have a very American ethnocentric point of view.

I'm pretty sure your 11 years old and believe every word of your parents bitching. You need to learn to believe in something deeply on your own.

[tgatwood]

This guy really knows how to pander. Good for him. Hasn't even been in Washington for a decade yet!

[hootieismydog]

church is for the weak - godvsthebible(dot)com - god is real but he didnt write the bible ...real answers are here ladies.... unless your afraid

[sugarmapletree]

If abortion is a serious "moral" issue, that means that it involves right and wrong. That means that, from his perspective being a Christian, it involves SIN. So then, he must believe that it is possible to sin by having an abortion. Why would it be a sin for one person and not for another? That's relativism. His position makes no sense.

[fdude1234]

That abortion answer seems very weak to me. Just because it's a tough decision that makes it ok??? So if I felt the urge to kill someone and I consult with my pastor and other respected members of the community and I end up doing it, it's ok because it was a tough decision??? cmon man

[Baz746]

Former Republican members of Congress Bill Hendon (North Carolina) and John LeBoutillier (New York) are warning troops:

As Senator McCain abandoned American POWs trapped in Indochina; as President he'll abandon you.

McCain disregarded intelligence that POWs and MIAs were still alive and calling for help in Vietnam--and became personally abusive to POW/MIA advocates on the Senate floor.

Don't reward him by making him commander-in-chief.

[hikeon3]

Justices Thomas and Scalia are two of the most brilliant judges ever to sit on the US Supreme Court. To fundamentally disagree with them is beyond me. Scalia's opinions are well constructed, logical, and supported entirely by the Constitution. Thomas's opinions are short, but represent pure reason and sensibility when approaching Strict Constructionism and the Constritution. The opinions of Ginsburg and Stephens are explorations of case law with little regard for the words of the Constitution.

[mastablasta06]

All he wants to do is just confront evil...

That wasn't even one of the 4 options given to him.

Again, what a moron!

You defeat evil!...not confront it.

"hey there evil. i see you being evil, but i'm not goin to do anything about you. you can keep being evil."

[wheeZy42O]

he made the point that you cannot defeat evil which is gods task. you think we can defeat all the evil in the world and eradicate it from existence?

[mastablasta06]

He would know what a woman thinks right...

"I don't think women make these decisions casually."

The dude supports Infanticide...

[MClown69]

watch (Part 7/10) 2008 Presidential Forum at Saddleback Church in the related videos to the right. at 8:35 seconds into the vid you see john McCain ask if they are gonna get back to the surpreme court justice question but one problem on his part. they never once asked about surpreme court justices yet. only to obama. proves right there he knew the questions prior to coming out there.

[DaniDivine2000]

Yes please reduce abortions!

[DaniDivine2000]

"I don't think women make these decisions casually?" hmmm, every women I know practically has had an abortion, and not just one, several, some up to 4 or 5, and then we say have less abortions, but then we promote sex everywhere we look? Thats a statement Obama should probably rethink...

[wheeZy42O]

im pretty sure thats his point. he has talked about reducing abortions with more sex education, making birth control available to all women and condoms more readily available. Right now insurance companies cover viagra but not birth control. WTF is up with that??? A guy can get hard for free but a women cant make the decision not to get pregnant without paying for it? I think we can reduce abortions and also have women free to make their own choice.

[albertoxFTW]

this whole concept together is sick why are the PRESIDENTIAL candidates in a fucking church WTF happen in the separation of church and state

[depechehero]

seperation of church and state doesnt mean seperation of faith and politics. It doesnt mean that religion and government do not coexist and operate in the same sphere of influence. If they want to have a forum in a mosque they can.  Just the same as in a union hall.

[yaneh3]

the concept of seperation of church and state refers to state (or country in the case of america) run churches such as the anglican church in england in the 1700's. Learn some fucking history

[markymarkstyle]

half of these questions are completely benign and reveal nothing.