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  • There is no point in arguing with any of these buffoons as in the end zimbabwe has proven even to themselves WE WHERE BETTER OF DURING THE COLONIAL DAYS. I read the statistics not the propaganda-would i go back and live in zimbabwe my country of birth -NO coz its a shit hole!

  • And now its chinas turn to colonise and rule in africa, its not hard when the african leaders cant seemingly rule there own countrys, but favour what ever tribes they come from, what a total disaster zone africa is, and we are letting in millions into europe, what a joke

  • Black rule has been so good for Zimbwea

  • I'd take Ian Smithe over Mugabe any day. White rule was better for blacks. Do you want black rule or starvation for tons of blacks?

  • Another country ruined by the Niggers. Bravo ye CUNTS!!!

  • @Lousypenguin uhm, it was and always will be a black country after all we are talking about Africa dunce. TYPICAL keyboard Nazi-tard. too fucked up with the extra chromosome thanks to your mother and your uncle/dad's conception of your sad existence and your inability to learn. People like you are the reason I at times support abortion. =P

  • @Xaymaicana Hahahahahahahaha what a fucking loser!!!! Nothing better to do than reply to me!!! Hahahaha! How's your mothers cunt? Still moist and ripe I'd imagine! 

  • @Lousypenguin yeah I am sure it is rip and moist unlike your mother's elongated and desert dry, Ebola secreting puss. LOL

  • @Xaymaicana No just gave her one tonight, it was oiled the fuck up. Only my mother could make me cum like that. Phew!

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  • appreciate what-poverty,cholera,starvatio­­n, 70% unemployment,power failures 24/7,no agriculture,a despot, zimbabwean Diaspora? jewel of africa? u having a laugh! you need to get in touch with reality there! Even black Zimbabweans prefer the colonial days-u "so called African, Jamaican, americans" are so outta touch with africa u just fools. U write from western worlds not from africa so by opinion u actually dont have any. But its okay as u will blame the white man for ur poverty

  • If you really cared about Africa instead of using it for your own gains (calling urself african american just to get an identity) maybe instead of vacation in europe this winter go visit zimbabwe? |Have u even been to Africa-do you even know the shona and matabelle people-guessing the answer to that is no! 

  • @benjaminjean1984 Ever heard of Sexual Intercourse? Guessing the answer is no! Fucking loser!

  • @Lousypenguin oh shit u broke my heart- u so mean!!! God never gonna get over this one-

  • @benjaminjean1984 AND the lousypenguin

    I think you guys need to continue this now mindless banter elsewhere - like in a square ring someplace? Your initial comments were acceptable, but what followed this point is not. You are both invited to behave - or leave please? nrt

  • Respond to this video...u my friend are a CUNT- Cunts like u fuel my fire babe-wtf u doing in IRAQ? am i supposed to take u seriously? u can stick ur saddams-mugabes-gaddaffi- up that hole of urs- wait a min americans are doing it 4 u-hahahahahahahah

  • @Lousypenguin who says sexual intercourse-fucking geek losers say sexual intercourse-in the western world we shorten that to just sex- sex

  • @benjaminjean1984 Sex Sex? Like Monkey Monkey or Phone Phone? And who the fuck says Western World? We normally shorten it to White Mans land were we live good, sexy time, food is good and sun always shines etc etc....Sex Sex!

  • @Lousypenguin yeah where all u bongo's can't get enough of- white man's land don't u ever forget that-

  • @benjaminjean1984 Derp a derp a derp? Nigger? Cracker? Chink? Tiddly tum tum? Rated pg-13

  • @Lousypenguin Well it was thew niggers country if they want to ruin it then that's their choice isn't it ? Why not leave them alone scumbag

  • @Giagantus You're an idiot

  • I say LONG LIVE RHODESIA, LONG LIVE IAN SMITH- Rhodesians rock we had a kick ass economy even under sanctions we had a currency that very few could compete with. Rhodesians got it right the world thought they could change the way greedy empires ran the show by using Rhodesia as an example now look-laugh in all your faces. Ian Smith in the end YOU WHERE RIGHT!!!

  • @benjaminjean1984 HAD. period.

    Zimbabwe now and forever. True they have issues but white rule in Africa? nah dawg.

    It's time the black leaders get their shit together and appreciate Africa for the jewel that she really is. =]

  • It's funny how Rhodesians can't express themselves by telling the world THEY GOT IT WRONG!!! High time the UK admits this and black Zimbabweans. Zimbabwe is a skeleton of its former self like those who still live there who starve and wait for things 'to come right'. It's a joke as most Zimbabweans have emigrated outside Zimbabwe looking for greener pastures all of which we had but the powers that be played the cards we all must now suffer for.

  • Wait, so what happened to the Scouts and SAS? They just lost their jobs like that?

  • @Altarcraft Im sure many came into the british army or maybe south africas

  • Touching video.

  • thanks Mugabe for proving my point

  • @KaylinJH I hope you you have a good stay there in the bush where you are. we have dignity at least. go where you belong white monkey

  • people need to stop this black white crap im sure you all took history class race division has never worked so grow up, well u prolly old since u miss Rhodesia

  • @champ4sho1 Well said - it was never a 'black / white' story in the first place! This fallacy has been perpetuated by the hordes (including in government...) who are still to this day ignorant of what, where and why all those years of conflict took place - to continue to build a better life for all the people! nrt

  • @msasauk - White rulership does benefit all. That's the point. The enemy was attacking Rhodesia because it was a country where white children had a future. When Rhodesians had a country you could partner with the blacks. Now we don't have that and you're not going to help whites in any area (other than South Africa perhaps) by partnering with any alien groups. The enemies of our people (those who look like us but have no loyalty to us) aren't out to 'destroy our way of life'. They're genocidal.

  • @champ4sho1

    "prolly "

    Learn how to spell, you stupid chimpanzee.

  • @akwida u funny gone are the days when statements like that actually got to people in our days calling someone chimpanzee is jst a sign of pure ignorance

  • @akwida I'ts always impressive when people are unable to find arguments to counter with, so they bring up the spelling issue.

  • @DEMENTEDLEPRECAUHN U cant really say anything abt Obama. In all fairness the change from Rhodesia to Zimbabwe was something the Native Zimbabweans deserved by blood. Fact is Rhodesia was sweet for those in power and white Zimbabweans of which it was unfair for the native Zimbabweans.

  • @DEMENTEDLEPRECAUHN Rhodesia used to be a great place to live. But you put black people in charge and what happens? Same with South Africa... now the US...

  • solidarität mit DIEsEM AFRIKA. vernünftig...friedlich .. MUGABE.. darüber brauchen wir gar nicht zu reden..Verbrecher.. ich sag´als Lehrer ind er Schule immer noch: RHODESIEN :D

  • Rhodesia los mejores soldados de africa

  • Such a shame that the liberal disease in Western countries allowed this once great nation to turn into a shithole.

  • Give the Blacks an inch and they'll fuck it up.

  • Africans are just too fucking stupid to be allowed to vote.

    And's here's why I say that..

    They have continued to vote that "King of the knuckle draggers", Robert Mugabe.

     This man has single handedly bankrupted this country, both financially and morally. This country went from being one of the strongest economies in Africa (when they were under "EVIL" white rule) to being one of the world's poorest. And Mugabe's thugs have gone door to door killing innocent women and children and they vote 4 him

  • Ok..let's recap...and take a short trip back in time.

    Rhodesia declared unilateral independence from Britain because the British considered the all white government to be racist and exclusionary and found the situation unacceptable. This, despite the fact that Rhodesia was a highly productive country and was dubbed the "breadbasket of Africa". While most Africans were poor, most were employed and could afford basics and had food and shelter. Since Mugabe took over, the country has collapsed.

  • @ttiger5050 They were still at best second class citizens in their own country. That cannot be acceptable.Period

  • @Giagantus Rhodesia was founded by Whites, not Blacks - it was not "thier" country. Blacks could get an education, work hard, make a fortune, get the vote (not everyone could vote Black or White), go into office, the people had eduction, medical care & a high standard of living for Africa TODAY. Rather like SA seems a "Black nation", this is due to economic migration rather than any great theft of native land. Is it better the fields are left to rot now & everyone suffers - this is equality?

  • @champ4sho1 Interesting view you have of 'oppression' young man! What do you call 'the fear' then, seeing as you know Zimbabwe so well - and now choose to live in the USA - or were you forced to leave your homeland like so many others who fled the new and fairly won order? You did at least go to a decent school I see - even that seems to have done you little good though! nrt

  • @msasauk Churchill is a gr8 school made me who I am today. and of-course sir no one is to be proud of the situation the country is in right now. Fact is there should have been some agreement of Integration and equal opportunity amongst all Zimbabweans, that way both parties would have not lost so many people during the war. Some Natives will disagree and some white Zimbabweans will too. But again im probably too young to understand the tension that existed at that time.

  • @champ4sho1 A pretty mature answer young man - more like a Churchill boy... I was probably there before you were born! The path to long-term national itegration was in place from the early 60s under Winston Field and would have continued to develop under Smith. This was nowhere near quick enough for the radical nationalist leaders - who would then lose to the moderate mass of the black population at a later stage under proper electoral process - pity this was not allowed the chance to develop.

  • @msasauk True, despite all thats happened hopefully the country recovers economically at some point and thanks for the info had no idea integration was something the Rhodesian gvt had in their plans.

  • @msasauk Well said my friend. So many people praising there countries, and yet none of them live there.

  • @champ4sho1

    Whites build, blacks destroy.

  • @akwida come back if you have the guts to stay with black man.you piece of shit.at least we have dignity and peace.die there never come back You crap.

  • @Bvunzawabaya

    LOL, the evil racist got angry!

    I'll be in Salisbury next year. You gonna meet me at the airport, sweetheart?

  • @akwida I cound counter with argument to this faulty statement but regardless of "Rhodesia" was never truly yours

  • @Giagantus LOL, how about countering this:

    Ian Smith built.

    Robert Mugabe destroyed.

    BTW, what is that 100 trillion Zimbabwean dollar banknote buying these days, a bowl of fried plantains?

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  • @champ4sho1 Mugabe is an oppressor! but i think you've failed to notice that.

  • Right on bro - see my comment !!

  • @ vernontrumpet2000 One more thing: you claim that they could have built their own homes and grown their own food if left alone right? well they have been left alone for thirty years so please explain why they still have no electricity stations, no proper housing, are starving to death etc etc etc. If they are so capable of going it alone then why have they managed to balls it up so badly?

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  • I wonder if the folks who are happy under Mugabe rule have actually given any thought to China's long term game plan? History repeats itself. China's history is long, bloody and filled with human rights abuses AGAINST THEIR OWN PEOPLE.

    Ah well. Lead a horse to water and all that...

  • @Angelsrest79 well whatever china's long term game plan is,its one that zim will approve of and not u,u came to zim UNINVITED but the chinese are INVITED and that makes all the differance

  • @vernontrumpet2000 Excuse me but I was BORN there. You have no right whatsoever to simply arbitrarily decide who has a right to be where and when. If I understand correctly, you claim that white folks essentially stole the land and enslaved the people of color. People who helped the blacks are biggots to you and those who didn't are worse than murderers so there is no winning with you.

  • @Angelsrest79 sir ,africa was sitting there for over 4000yrs before u decided to come.u created the dialogue btween white and black,we didnt,we were content with the world as it was but u because of your differance with england werent. therefore,we didnt ask for your help no more than we asked for your bigotry,we simply didnt ask for u. cant u understand? the plb is your presence or should I say,your persona.It exudes oppression,self righteousness,arrogance on a scale unseen by anyother

  • @vernontrumpet2000 Again with the assumptions. I never said I was "unsattisfied with England" not being FROM England to begin with. Let me say it again: I am DUTCH you mook and I didn't ever "come from" anywhere. I was born in Zimbabwe and left before I was even two so take your sanctimonious self righteous arrogant racist hate mongering elsewhere. I'm quite happy for those currently in Zim to do their thing. I'm just sad that so many have been hurt by Bob and folks like you.

  • @Angelsrest79 I do aunderstand your anger at the other guy @ vernontrumpet2000, but I must say that you cannot keep a man in darkness/keep them captive and make them feel inferior for so many years and then expect them to see, the moment you let them out. The world is different, all structured to suit Rhodesian civilization, and now its Zimbabwe and people struggle. It all stems from colonialism. I don't believe africans are dum, they are just taking a hard ride, with so much at stake.

  • @amakaha1 I agree with you completely. When I say that I weep for Rhodesia, I am not lamenting the loss of colonialism. My paternal heritage is British and I have divorced myself from it. I was raised in a Dutch household under Dutch cultural values and my mother's family genuinely did everything we could, to both help those less fortunate than ourselves, and to teach those willing to learn. To be labeled a colonial based on assumptions was insulting to say the least.

  • @vernontrumpet2000 By the way, the tribals who claimed "rights" to Zimbabwe at the fall of Rhodesia, stole it from the rightfull black inhabitants.

  • it should have stayed Rhodesia it wouldn't be a third world country. would have been one of the best allies to help fight terrorism!!!

  • It breaks my heart to watch this. Rhodesia was a fantastic country and we let her down so badly. Now look at the nightmare that black majority rule has brought down on the heads of Zimbabweans.  I suppose that the gods of Political Correctness must be appeased, even if it means misery for millions of starving Africans.

  • Africa is now a much better place since there is more black rule, the govt respects its people more and we dont have 5% of the population sitting on their lazy asses while the other 95% work for them

  • @vernontrumpet2000 You must be looking at a different Africa than I am, the whites worked incredibly hard, that's why Rhodesia was such an incredible success. The black politicians and their cronies, i.e. your "new" 5%, who run those nations now are also incredibly hard working I suppose? You are of course joking. Zimbabwe just came last in a world wide quality of life assessment, is that your measure of Africa now being "a much better place" without white minority rule?

  • @WinchesterRanger nicely sumed up white rule should have evolved into mixed ruled, not wiped from the face of the earth. i feel sorry for all those who lost their homes and heritage when black rule tried to wipe white culture of the map. i am feel deeply soory for those families who have lost relavtives to sense racial hatred!!!

  • @WinchesterRanger bottom line is this NO ONE INVITED YOUR ASS TO ZIMBABWE SO RUN YOUR ASS OUT. any rule by anyone is better than white rule or even white presence.your only reason for wanting to be in Africa is to exploit it and use tTHE land for your own comfort while everyone else live in squalor...damn you people are so damn twisted till you actually feel that you are entitled to everyone elses goodies.you are so fucking twisted,so fucking twisted,THANK U MUGABE FOR TAKING BACK ZIMBABWE!

  • @vernontrumpet2000

    Please show me the "work" the ruling elite does for the country? They plunder the wealth and take it outside the country then use it to buy castles and palaces and fancy estates. Mrs Mugabe uses the taxes taken from the hard working men and women still there to go and buy designer clothes in London, Robert Mugabe rides around in a motor cavalcade a dozen strong while the working masses have to walk many miles to get to work due to massive fuel shortages.

  • @Angelsrest79 well,the whites pludered the wealth and sent taxes to england instead of using it for the indigenous people so whats the differance,OIC, you feel this false sense of entitlement that many whites feel towards all things on earth as if u are the only one that matters even if its in places u have no damn right to be,whites presence in zimbabwe is no more than an extension of white oppression everywhere and I am happy Mugabe kicked your asses out.stop living off of others hard work

  • @vernontrumpet2000 There are less than 100 black people in the whole of Africa who have actually invented something previously unknown in the world. Even the African "traditional" weapons were stolen from other people for example the assegai and shield were stolen from the Romans. So how exactly are the "colonialists" living off the "hard work" of people who steal everything from other people? Communists are thieves and liars. Period.

  • One thousand blokes & half a dozen Hercs is all it would take to overthrow that useless cnut in Harare.

  • and the rest of the world follows africa down the sewer of juju satanism and pentagram homosexual occult "secret society" bestiality. good thing Allah is in control. whenever things get this degenerate God sends a messenger who he establishes with signs so that he can speak with authority so that everyone knows that there is prophet amongst them. then the people defy and rebel and then destruction comes. this happened many times and there is no change in Allah's way of dealing with criminals

  • @iorixs huh?

  • @LeoErba yes that worked out well for Rhodesia

  • @LeoErba - aye... for the priveleged few - the masses that were granted their freedom under your' black power base' have yet to see a scrap of it. I reckon the majority of them do not have the strenght left in their arms to raise a fist in the air, let alone indicate any degree of solidarity...

  • @msasauk WELL THAT MAY BE TRUE THAT BLACKS HAVENT SEEN A SCRAP OF BLACK POWER FREEDOM BUT ITS STILL BETTER THAN WHAT THEY HAVE SEEN OF WHITE POWER AS A MATTER OF FACT BEFORE BLACK POWER RULE,THERE WASNT A CHANCE OF ANYTHING BETTER HAPPENING TO ZIMBABWE SO AGAIN,ZIMBABWE HAS BEEN MADE A BETTER PLACE AFTER THEY KICKED YOUR ASS OUT OF THERE

  • @msasauk - 1979 Rhodesia - 1979 - Zimbabwe - 1980 - Zimbabwe ruins !! I think that just about sums it up. What amazes is that all the black countries that wanted their independce are now MORE dependent on aid than they where before. Tells you a lot when what happens when you let baboons run a country !!

  • @RHODESIA111 lol baboons u funny at one point it actually used to work now it only shows your level of thinking.

  • @RHODESIA111 This is why Rhodesia fell , people like you .If europeans had been less involved african affairs (post independent) things would have been way better.

  • @LeoErba

    Yeah!

    White man cannot own farm. Only black man can own farm.

    Oh shit, what are we going to eat???

  • @LeoErba You mean black skeletons.

  • @LeoErba

    Yea, it's worked out so well for Zimbabwe! Mass murder, famine, economic collapse, and a dictator who assassinates other black opponents. Zimbabwe, what a success story!

  • @LeoErba LOL

  • Just another nation blacks ran into the ground. What a shame; she was a beacon of African civilization. Now her; SA and other minority ruled nations have declined into corrupt; and poverty stricken slums.

  • @ForImperium MAYBE IT IS IN SLUMS BUT ITS THE SLUMS THAT WE OWN AND NOT U .U JUST MAD CAUSE YOUR ASS CANT EXPLOIT IT ANYMORE,WE HAD ENOUGH OF YOUR ASS TAKING THE MONEY BACK TO ENGLAND AND SHARING IT AMOUNG YOURSELVES AS IF U ARE INDIGENOUS. DONT WORRY BOUT ZIM'S FUTURE,IT HAS FOUND A MASSIVE MARKET IN CHINA WHOM BY THE WAY ISNT EXPLOITIVE,AND MONEY IS ROLLING BACK INTO ZIM MUCH MORE THAN WHEN YOUR ASS HAD IT,SO SUCK IT UP ACCEPT THE CURRENT CONDITIONS AND MOST OF ALL, FUCK YOU

  • I wish the US and the UK would mind their own business. They'd want to look after their own fucked up affairs before interering with others.

  • Well I have the honor of having a mother of Rhodesian decent so I always carry a little Rhodesian with me:)

  • I wonder if anyone really believes that Zimbabwe is better off today than it was in 1970...

  • God Bless Rhodesia. God Bless Ian Douglas Smith.

  • Rhodesia sold down the river when its own independance was promised by britain ,after fighting in the 2nd world war.A great country the bread basket of africa a country second to none in the welfare of its people within the african continent .What a great pity its been ground down ,and no one does anything to help , why?

  • @cannockchase Nothing of value left to plunder...

  • Fuck this shit, whos with me in re taking rhodesia?

  • In 1979 I witnessed the cruxifiction of this great country, first hand. Behind Mugabe, the Russians, the UNO - were those international rodents and their world media. They brought Rhodesia down - Kissinger foremost. Now we watch their viper's den in the ME, suffer the same fate! A much more violent end to Rhodesia. All SA south of the Zambezi will be again White. Former Rhodesians will have their lands back. Imperium Europa: The Book that changed the world. Amazon Books.
  • @NormanLowell DREAM on!

  • What a fucking waste the blacks have made of Rhodesia and ZA. Fucking animals.

  • Mugabe was not supposed to be in power......The Lancester meeting was biased... They believed that Joshoua Nkomo was a communist just cause his men (army ZANLA) was trained in Russia......but he was no communist he was a better leader than this shitty mugabe.....Now the Zimbabwe people are facing issues and the Zimbabwe army has disintegrated badly......Mugabe was not supposed to be in power

  • Weeks ago, I saw an image of a squad of rhodesian soldiers beeing disciplined for a failure... by a black officer.

    Now tell me, would that be possiple in a racist country?

  • Rhodesia was the most developed and prospering country in Africa! Now it is just another shithole!

  • @KonChul Welcome to my world sir,all of south america except brasil and chile is an clear example of what the "Great Powers" can do.

  • @KonChul I recently used Google Earth to look at my grandfather's farms and would you believe that there is nothing left? Buildings all torn down, equipment left to rust in the fields, nothing but dust and soil erosion. So much for the blacks it was given to (having been taken from us by force) making good use of it hey?

  • @Angelsrest79 Agreed. Welcome to political correctness.

  • ... need anymore proof that whites are better governors of society then blacks? Then read the story of Rhodesia

  • a great country and a great people. mugabe must go, one way or another! Rise Rhodesia, Rise!!

  • I wish I could have been in that number. They were marvelous soldiers, I have the utmost respect for these men. Best fighters the world has seen.

  • I coudl weep for the loss and destruction of this wonderfulcreation in the midst of Africa."Lord" Soames-another british shit of the first water!Another spineless,gutless race traitor.May Rhodesia's enemies be accursed.!

  • too bad ...really it was a contry most civilised in the world ...

  • Stupid kaffirs. When the kak hits the fan in SA the old butcher bob needs to be mounted like a deer head and all of the terrorists hunted and killed.

  • Was there any White zone in Rhodesia like Apartheid?

  • There was the 'Land Apportionment Act' - a government guide to areas where people could live. If you could afford it, anyone could live anywhere they wanted to.

  • The good guys lost..But their lessons are well learned.

  • somes has nothing to be proud of. He raped Rhodesians

  • LONG LIVE THE EMPIRE

  • This is so fucking sad. The fall of Rhodesia was the beginning of the end!

  • Or the end of the beginning for others. There are always two sides to every story. It's more about which best resonates with one.

  • @Musketor I have a hard time watching this too.

  • @Musketor - I have an itchy trigger finger here!! the Rhosesian army had a fantastic kill ratio 138:1 and I was lucky to have had six (personal) of the bastrards. Does amaze me that the Brits and the Yanks, given their sophicated equipment have (only if you exclude unarmed civilians!!) matched that - can't even keep a bunch of ragtops in Afghanistan down !! what a load of wimps.

  • @RHODESIA111 Thats an not entirly fair comment. The rules of engagement are different for the British and Americans. Taliban hide amongest locals which makes it kind of diffecult to take them out. And the f*cking PC brigade are ready to pounce on any solider who takes out a ragtop without following the rules of engagement.

  • @RHODESIA111 "human rights" hahaha

  • What a mess Zimbabwe became after independence. What a pity the world didn't have the wisdom to support the real best interests for both whites and blacks in Rhodesia/Zimbabwe. I suppose the powers that be just didn't really care or just didn't understand what they were doing. The caravan moves on.

  • @jasonelliott1974 Pity eh? Not. Dodgy kaffirs can't run a pogy stand by themselves. They only reason to force and death.

  • @actonbath YEAH BUT THOSE KAFFIRS KICKED YOUR BLEACHED PALE WHITE ASS OUT OF ZIMBABWE AND U CANT GET ANYMORE MONEY OUT OF IT SO HOWS THAT? HE HE HE HE...TOO BAD ,SUCK IT UP,MUGABE WILL HAVE A SUCCESSOR JUST LIKE HIM SO NO NEED FOR U WAITING AROUND FOR HIS DEATH.ZIMBABWE WILL BE FOREVER FREE OF EUROPEAN EXPLOITATION.CHINA WILL ALWAYS BE ITS CUSTOMER FOR ITS TOBACCO AND COPPER AND IF ENGLAND DONT LIKE IT AND WANNA FIGHT ZIMBABWE,CHINA WILL KICK ENGLAND'S ASS AND TAKE ALL HER POUNDS AND SHILLINGS

  • @jasonelliott1974 I think they really didn't understand...but how could they not???

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  • What I am trying to figure out was what was so bad about a segregated nation? People have a right to be with their own. Segregation perserved both the races from mixing and destroying their culture.

    Is South Africa, Zimbabwe, and Mississippi really better places? The same thing blacks complained about whites are the same things their using against whites affirmative action, black power empowerment in South Africa, genocide against whites of Zimbabwe. Weres the justice?

  • "What I am trying to figure out was what was so bad about a segregated nation? "

    Next time stay in England if you feel like that.

    "Is South Africa, Zimbabwe, and Mississippi really better places?"

    That depends on who you ask. But do creature comforts and easier living qualify as excuses for one group to permanently disenfranchise and dehumanize another?

  • Permanently disenfranchise and dehumanize another. Segregation does not have to disenfranchise or dehumanize any race. Equal segregation where people deicide wether they want to segregate is the segregation I don't understand why it's bad.

    If a black wants to sell to a black or white to a white that their problem. If white wants to go to an all white school, or black wants to go to an all black school thats their problem.

    Forced segregation is wrong. But forced integration is even worse.

  • "Segregation does not have to disenfranchise or dehumanize any race."

    And yet, that seems to be the case, inevitably. How many blacks in Rhodesia had the vote? Or could live/work/attend facilities as they chose?

    "If a black wants to sell to a black or white to a white that their problem."

    Whose problem is it when a white wants to sell to a black but his neighbours, or moreover, the government, say NO?

  • "Forced segregation is wrong. But forced integration is even worse."

    We're one species, on one planet. We can either get over stone age ideas about one another, or eventually fight wars that see us safely back in it. Or turning the keys over to the roaches.

    Tell me... if it's NOT about dehumanization... why WOULD a white want to go to a school with only whites, or black to a school with only blacks?

  • Tell me... if it's NOT about dehumanization... why WOULD a white want to go to a school with only whites, or black to a school with only blacks?

    Because maybe when whites attend schools and their the minority they get picked on in city schools. So maybe they decide to segregate them selves to an all white school, to not have to face those problems. And maybe that person wants to segregate him selves to preserve his culture.

  • So because kids pick on one another, that's your justification for minority rule, political, educational, and economic disenfranchisement, and an apartheid society? Sorry, but that's retarded.

  • No my justification for people having a right to choose if they want to segregate is that it's their right to be allowed among their own people if they want.

    Theres a difference between forced segregation, and self segregation. Theres also a difference between forced integration, and self integration.

    I personally believe people have right not be forced to integrate, and if they want to send their kids safely to an all white school thats their choice not yours, not mine.

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  • "I personally believe people have right not be forced to integrate"

    In their private lives, yes; in public discourse, no.

    "Theres also a difference between forced integration, and self integration."

    Yes, the latter becomes necessary when the former is not forthcoming.

    We're talking about people bemoaning the loss of a way of life that disenfranchised millions in their own country, forcing upon them lesser standards in housing, education, and employment.

  • I agree jshallist. It is a good thing that all those white farmers were raped and murdered. Afterall, integration is a very necessary thing. There used to be a two dollar bill in Rhodesia. Now there is a 100 trillion dollar bill. That is also a good thing because now everything is equal. The nation used to export food. Now they are starving to death. That is indeed a good thing too. Afterall, things are now equal. Only non-whites rate to live among their own. Whites. Never. Good thing.

  • @jshallist My grandfather built every one of his workers a house, provided them meat, veggies, milk, paid for their kids to go to school, paid for their medical when they tried to machete each other to death. How exactly is that "forcing a lower standard of housing, education and employment" onto them?

  • @Angelsrest79 despite that, your grandfather didnt do anything,if left alone, they could have built their own houses provide their own veggies,meat and milk and sent their own kids to school so no need for you to gloat,if u and grandpa realy wanted to help zim, u would get out of there and stay out.U can give a horse meat veggies and training education but still keep him a slave while u own the very barn,stable and countryside he livesin,this constitutes slavery for him and freedom for him

  • @vernontrumpet2000 So let me see if I have this right. To your mind whites who helped the black folks of Rhodesia are oppressive bigots and those who did not help are oppressive slavers. So there is no winning with you. Damned if we do and damned if we don't. By the way I was BORN there after 1978 so sod your bad attitude mate. It's not helping.

  • @Angelsrest79 sir ,for over 100yrs plus 30 more of white presence they have been lead to believe that they are worseless,u think they gonna all of a sudden adapt to their newly found existence?, give them time soon they will regain the confidence they had in the 3,000 years BEFORE european UNWELCOMMING intervention.NO MATTER HOW LONG U HAVE LIVED THERE ,YOUR PRESENCE REPRESENTS OPPRESSION.mugabe finally came along and removed u like a leech off of its host and the world is a better place

  • @vernontrumpet2000 WOW but you opperate on a whole slew of assumptions without bothering even once to make the slightest efforts to check your facts. You presume that I am male which shows your bigotry towards females, you presume that I live in Zimbabwe when in fact I have only spent a grand total of a year and a half there right after birth, you presume much and check nothing making your info worse than suspect i'm afraid. Ur just another racist bigoted hate monger.

  • @Angelsrest79 I am talking about the white/black dialogue of Africa in general. My point is is that if whites had just stayed their asses in england,try to correct your plbs or go somewhere else,we wouldnt have all this plb in the first place. I simply do not trust whites in zim not even if they claim christian, hell that was their way of taking the land, COME AS A CHRISTIAN, CLOSE EYES, BOW AND PRAY, THEN TAKE THE LAND WHILE BLACKS EYES ARE CLOSED. HA HA HA

  • @vernontrumpet2000 I am not trying to claim that white rule was the best thing for Zim as I'm prejudiced by lack of information, but think about this: Bob was never meant to be president. He stole the position then refused to allow free and fair elections and refused to give up any power at all. Millions have died under his oppression. Far more than died under white rule. He is fabulously wealthy while average people can barely afford bread or salt. THAT is what I'm mad over.