I see one huge problem with analogy. God should be judged himself for all the cataclysms and faults he has made. because justice has coercive power, weighs claims fairly, and is impartial. It would only make sense for him to be put on trial just as you would put any mortal on trial.
@FlyinSpaghettiMnstr7 Yeah right... because men can predict the future....Read Isaiah 53 and research it, it was written at least 200 years before The Birth of Christ.
@sonicsuns understand this god the most loving god jehova sent a perfect sacrafice down to earth and you reject him it saddens me to see an intelectual man such as yourself deny what is all around it god loves you and died for you he knows the numbers of hairs on your head reject me if you wish because that is what i expect spiritualy blind ppl are only blind because they dont want to open there eyes
love your video. Thank you. It's so sad how many people are not willing to give God a chance and think that by being good they're not going to be judge.
This video is illogical. We Atheists do not (typically) reject the judicial system. We recognize the existence of judges because of the bountiful evidence of their existence. We recognize their authority because they have been vested with that authority by a democratic government (in most countries).
God, in contrast, has not been proven to exist.
Also, yes, we don't need imaginary judges to keep us in line. Real judges (and moral convictions) work just fine.
@logicallyrational You certainly have the freedom to believe so, but it's not logically rational. A large percentage of the Bible was prophetic when it was written. And, quite a bit of it has already been fulfilled. All it takes is an open and honest study of the texts to see how valid the scriptures are.
If you're not willing to do that, then that's fine. But, you might want to keep silent about things that you aren't willing to study out.
@logicallyrational You've decided to put your faith into that piece of paper called a birth certificate. I've put mine in a group of 66 books called the Bible.
The only difference is, mine has been verified historically, scientifically, prophetically, etc...
@logicallyrational One is not good in comparison with a righteous and holy God. It's important that we not deceive ourselves with false pride and willful deception.
well I don't break the laws of man because I've seen a prison......I know for a fact it exists. hell on the other had, does not. and I've never met someone who has either been there or seen it. answer me this, why does "god" wait until after you're dead to punish you? why not correct the behavior on the spot? we don't put murderers in jail after they die do we?
Well...it would be helpful if we could SEE your Judge, like the man in the animation can SEE his. That would make a bit of a differance. Also, your Judge punishes in cruel and unusual ways, ie;eternal torture and torment. This video is Christian propoganda.
interestng anime. 5 years and a 10 thousand dollar fine for robbing a bank, stealing a car, punching a monkey (props for that. Made me laugh) and wrecking the stolen car and an ice cream truck. But an eternity of torture, for something like blasphemy. Get this through your head. Eternal torture is a punishment that there is no possible act that could deserve it. Eternally torturing someone could be, but he'd never get to the point of being judjed, since he's doing it eternally...
if the judicial system would torture me for all my life for even thinking about stealing, then yes, i would hate it. I think everyone would. Laws are good, but they're supposed to be reasonable, and fit the crime. So no infinite torture of fire for saying a bad word for instance...
why are there more christians and religious people in jail than atheists even by percentages... the judicial system is based on evidence (theres that word again, whats up with that)... which is apparently not understood by religious fanatics who believe/think that belief trumps everything... jump off a cliff and start believing you can fly and see if you come to the conclusion that belief ISNT everything BEFORE you go splat, at least then you died a smarter person than you lived
@MagnumVD Ya seriously Satan did the same thing to Jesus but obviously Jesus was obviously not stupid jumping off a cliff based on belief is stupid don't tempt God.
In the actual Greek text of 2Peter 3:9 it says "God was not willing that any of Us should perish, but that all of Us should come to repentence." The book, 2Peter was written to the elect. We're not able to come to Jesus unless the Father who sent Him draw us to Him. John 6:44. We're not free-willed. Enemies of God before birth, until He adopts us as Children of God! No moral ability is in the unregenerate. It's a matter of wether or not He accepted us!
God gives us our whole lives to accept him. The problem is, none of us know how long that's going to be. If we could wait until after death when God was right in front of us, it would make things a lot easier. But then everyone would do that and there would be no point in following God at all during life. God wants us to follow him now. He wants that commitment from us while we are still on earth and he has given us so much time to make that decision, but once we die, there is no more time.
"punched a monkey in the head"...I almost choked to death on a pecan. Anyway I love the videos, and the messages and share them as often as possible! God Bless :)
Oh I'm sure you know it's true, just as a Jew, Muslim, Buddhist, catholic etc... know that they are right. But that's a whole different debate.
Now, the comparison with the judicial system, the difference is that in the judicial system you are innocent until proven guilty, where in christianity we all have to pay for adam an eve, very just indeed eh?
Like Romans where we learn that All have sinned and fallen short of the Glory of GOD. We are all sinners, but like people have asked you. And the video showed, JESUS came to pay the ulitmate price for thoe sins. Will you accept HIM paying for you, or do you want to pay for yourself? I pray you come to the right decision.
lol exactly! The maker of this video hit that on a nail. by you saying their is no god is saying and making and wanting us to believe you are right but... when the tables are turned and thought the reverse you the viewer and non believe are left with the same tactical nonsense that was giving before ~love it~ IN OTHER WORDS WHAT SIDE IS MORE "BIGOTED" Christians no, if i said the sky was blue, would i be a bigot no! it's truth but.. non believers expect us to believe them
No. Wrong. Wrong. Wrong. You are claiming something so you must prove it. End of story. Yes you do have to prove innocence. The fact that you say anything else shows that you don't agree with our judicial system. You say that your God is the right God, then you have to prove it. You can't make wild claims and expect everyone to think it's the truth, which it's not it's an opinion, without evidence. It's not true until it has been proven without a reasonable doubt.
No. I'm not that conceded. If your God was real and I asked him if the bible was accurate, and his answer was yes, then I would flip him off and gladly go to hell. I don't want an eternity with that kind of ass-hole.
You know God's mistake is that he loves even people like you, so profound and unconditional is his love to people that its IMPOSSIBLE for man to love the same way, truly, and Daniel i think you agree with me that no one can forgive and love like God does yeh? This Tylonous would flip off God and God would still love him after that, but we Christians would be tempted in every way to flip him off back right? but i pray we never do! in Jesus mighty name i pray truly.
i dont mind the judicial system because the punishment is relative to the crime. if god sent me to 40 years of punishment for my immoralities i would accept that. an eterniy of torture u wouldnt see in the film hostel..not too judicial system like!!yes if anything,the logical judicial system is like catholicsm if anything!! the metaphor to a court system is way off and misses the main oppostion to the concept of final judgement. LIKE ALL YOUR VIDEOS V.POOR.oh and you are NOT FUNNY!not even a bit
To respond, I read Romans chapter 1, I am guessing you specifically refer to Romans 1:20. It seems to refer to the idea of the Judeo-Christian god's existence is obvious through nature. Well I can accept that some isolated tribe would look at the world as say "a divine being made this!", and perhaps they believe such a being is 'almighty' but how would they know that it is the specific Judeo-Christian god without anyone telling? If no one does, why would a hell be the place for them?
There are a few flaws with comparing God with a judge. First of all, A judge (on earth) will not punish someone for not worshiping them. You will not get thrown in jail for not worshoping a judge. I follow God's laws (treat people with respect ect...) but I don't worship him because I don't know if he exists. I know the judge exists. I can see and hear the judge so I will obey his laws. If God would let everyone know he exists and tell us in person what to do I would do it.
Well, you've already got the law and the prophets.
If you're not going to believe them, then you're not going to believe even if someone were to come back from the dead and tell you. (Luke 16:31)
And, by the way, not worshiping God is the least of your problems as far as the law is concerned. (lying, stealing, blasphemy, greed, corruption, lust, hatred, pride, covetousness, etc...)
Don't forget, God is the ultimate and perfect judge.
My apologies for getting into the debate that is not mine to begin with, but I would like to comment on this as well.
In terms of the prophets, there have been quite a number of them in the past few thousan years, from all over the world. However, some were much better orators than others, so why should they be selected over all other ones? And how come they just don't seem to show up in the modern day and age as much as they did before?
I'm not talking just about Christianity. I'm talking about all religions in the world. There have been at least one prophet for all different types of religions, but only a few gained great popularity among people. Well, what's the difference between religion and Bible really? Why is it that the Bible is the 'ultimate unchanging truth', yet it has been rewritten several times?
Alright, I agree with you on the religious aspect. However, has the real God communicated with humanity in any way? Has real God united everyone? So far the world seems to be divided as to 'which' God is real.
P.S. As much as we differ in our opinions, I must give you a credit for actually allowing the comments to be posted here and responding to them. You are actully THE first religious person with whom I was able to have a normal debate with. Thank you for that!
"not worshiping God is the least of your problems as far as the law is concerned."
The point I was trying to make is that God will send you to hell for not worshoping him even if you a good person and don't do anything like lying, stealing, blasphemy, greed, corruption, lust, hatred, pride, covetousness, etc...
A judge on earth will not punish you just for not worshoping him.
Wow, that is one of the biggest strawman arguements I have ever heard. I never said I would disrespect the judge or do any of that. What I ment by not worshoping the judge was that I would not worship him the same way you worship God. Like I said before a judge (on earth) will not punish you for not praying to him or not showing up at his house every week to worship him. God punishes good people for simply not doing these things even if thay follow the moral laws he sets.
The reverence and respect towards God is no different than the reverence and respect towards a court. (minus the obvious spiritual implications, of course)
Try not showing up for your court date.
Try going against the judges ruling.
Try spewing vulgarities to his face.
By the way, God doesn't punish people for not going to church.
Don't let your head get clouded by the American church system.
Wait... who's our 'Lord', God or Jesus? Never mind that... it's not that we 'non-believers' hate judicial system, it's that the 'judicial system as portrayed by God' is stupid. FYI, it wasn't from God, it was from other men, who wanted to control other men but anyways. Honsetly, you guys make your God sound very, um, attention hungry and, yes, egoistic. "Worship me, do as I say, kill others who believe in other Gods OR if they are non-believers" and I shall spare you... sounds cheesy to me.
Absolutely not, I do not have any problem with authority... if the authority is just and fair to everyone. Unfortunately, God, the way he is described by religion, just doesn't seem to fit this picture.
I here there is a Christian doctrine called "Limited Atonement" that Jesus didn't die for everyone in the world, just particular people known as "the elect". Any thoughts or comments on that?
That creates another issue I see with this belief, what about people who would never have the opportunity to hear of Jehovah, Jesus, Bible, etc. They are so isolated the information for them simply doesn't exist as no one has ever told them and there was no past knowledge, what is suppose to happen to them?
But wait... if God created ALL... shouldn't he also create a way for ALL to hear his word? Who's fault is it then, that not everone will hear his word?
"... we shouldn't get distracted by those 'what ifs' and 'but maybe's. We don't ahve to worry about that problem...' isn't that a sin? To ignore and not spread the word around? Sound's kind of selfish don't you think?
Hmm... no, I don't think I'll get into that 'spreading the truth around the world' business. No point in that really. Everyone will always have their own beliefs (that's why God created free will right?). It's just a little unfair, I think, that he gave preference for some people but not the others. If ANYONE should do the 'spreading of the truth' around the world, it SHOULD be God himself. After all, he does come in visions to some... but not the others. Once again, selection at work?
Since there is no doubt there are people who never heard about any Christian doctrine or of the Judeo-Christian god through no fault of their own (they never had a chance to 'hear'), and they have certainly died in the past, are you saying the Judeo-Christian God creates some people with the express purpose of sending them to hell?
Blame him then for not helping the rest of the world, it´s his job, right, but now he talks to you and only you.
Give your life to Christ, it belongs to him, then let´s see where you will go to spread the good news of salvation from sin and guilt, that you then understood.
God is in controle and one day we will understand the big picture, today is your day.
Well if this is all true, then there must be a just answer for this, correct? So what of those who could never hear this message, not even that such a message even exists? Wouldn't a truly just deity give them a "real chance" to avoid suffering after death?
I am not casting blame, I am seeing if all your claims have the inkling of truth. Because to me these questions of mine display a large discrepancy in the Christian claim everyone in the world has this ample opportunity to believe.
A better analogy would be people placed on a ship that will sink without a choice in the matter and they have no clue about lifeboats either. Personally I would be very concerned for their safety since no one seems to tell them about said lifeboats. It would be more selfless to make sure they get to the lifeboats before I would. that would be the altruistic thing to do.
Yes I saw Titanic, still would you help those who are helpless get into the lifeboats first even at the risk you cannot, or would you rather just get in yourself without helping, knowing only then you would make it?
Sure, as I always try to understand why people believe what they do, I will be happy to hear your commentary on Romans 1, as I may find it interesting and informative (although such things produces many hard questions from me).
You're not so wrong in making that comparison. After all Abba (a name God is often referred to) means father. God is much like a parent. He has a lot of the hard duties as a parent. No parent likes to ground/spank their kid. No parent wants to deprive their child from anything. But when your child doesn't listen and doesn't follow your rules, even after explaining the consequences time and again you're left with no choice but to punish them OUT OF LOVE. See a connection?
Honestly, I understand what you mean. I agree, if God were to send someone to hell for stealing an apple because he's poor and hungry- it seems harsh. But does that person know and love God? If that person could have his "moral slate" cleaned in one humble instant, but refused to say sorry- isnt his biggest sin to be stubborn, remorseless and prideful? When all it takes to stay out of hell is to humble yourself to God, believe and give him glory but you refuse what choice does a sinner give him?
I think you're missing out on one important point here. It doesn't matter if his sin is "minor" or not. You're putting sin on a human based scale. Who are you to say what is minor and what is major? To God sin is sin. God has and will again send his children to hell. Just as the mother of a murderer would turn in her son because she loves him enough to do what is right and just. It doesn't mean she likes it. But the real point? No matter how "moral" they are, to reject God is to reject his love.
i kinda agree with you but look at the human justice though! it certainly isnt innocent until proven guilty! come on mate! its arrest and ask questions later!
"Now we know that what things soever the law saith, it saith to them who are under the law: that EVERY MOUTH MAY BE STOPPED, and ALL THE WORLD MAY BECOME GUILTY before God.
I see one huge problem with analogy. God should be judged himself for all the cataclysms and faults he has made. because justice has coercive power, weighs claims fairly, and is impartial. It would only make sense for him to be put on trial just as you would put any mortal on trial.
Requiemxtoxinnocence 7 months ago
im not anti chriatian, just anit supid
FlyinSpaghettiMnstr7 1 year ago
@FlyinSpaghettiMnstr7 Yeah right... because men can predict the future....Read Isaiah 53 and research it, it was written at least 200 years before The Birth of Christ.
Domodeath 8 months ago
@sonicsuns understand this god the most loving god jehova sent a perfect sacrafice down to earth and you reject him it saddens me to see an intelectual man such as yourself deny what is all around it god loves you and died for you he knows the numbers of hairs on your head reject me if you wish because that is what i expect spiritualy blind ppl are only blind because they dont want to open there eyes
Gxplosion 1 year ago
Thanks for a view of this which people can still easily understand....
rickgigliotti 1 year ago
love your video. Thank you. It's so sad how many people are not willing to give God a chance and think that by being good they're not going to be judge.
bravone1 1 year ago
again nonsense
Ah4b 1 year ago
This video is illogical. We Atheists do not (typically) reject the judicial system. We recognize the existence of judges because of the bountiful evidence of their existence. We recognize their authority because they have been vested with that authority by a democratic government (in most countries).
God, in contrast, has not been proven to exist.
Also, yes, we don't need imaginary judges to keep us in line. Real judges (and moral convictions) work just fine.
sonicsuns 1 year ago
@logicallyrational You certainly have the freedom to believe so, but it's not logically rational. A large percentage of the Bible was prophetic when it was written. And, quite a bit of it has already been fulfilled. All it takes is an open and honest study of the texts to see how valid the scriptures are.
If you're not willing to do that, then that's fine. But, you might want to keep silent about things that you aren't willing to study out.
theTRUTHgroup 1 year ago
@logicallyrational You've decided to put your faith into that piece of paper called a birth certificate. I've put mine in a group of 66 books called the Bible.
The only difference is, mine has been verified historically, scientifically, prophetically, etc...
theTRUTHgroup 1 year ago
@logicallyrational ...for the same reason you believe that your mom is related to you.
But, relax, you don't HAVE TO believe in anything. Feel free to do whatever you want. I'm just here to proclaim the truth.
theTRUTHgroup 1 year ago
@logicallyrational One is not good in comparison with a righteous and holy God. It's important that we not deceive ourselves with false pride and willful deception.
theTRUTHgroup 1 year ago
well I don't break the laws of man because I've seen a prison......I know for a fact it exists. hell on the other had, does not. and I've never met someone who has either been there or seen it. answer me this, why does "god" wait until after you're dead to punish you? why not correct the behavior on the spot? we don't put murderers in jail after they die do we?
Pharaoh481 1 year ago
I miss Shawn. D:
RocknForJesus 1 year ago
lol omm this is so true
christlover3000 1 year ago
your Dan from Creation Boot camp right i love that show .
do you still have the pencils?
DanieruDesu 2 years ago
I've always got pencils.
theTRUTHgroup 2 years ago
the question for me is, assuming there is a god, why should we listen to him? is it because what he says is the right thing to do?
garretcarden 2 years ago
I think he meant their are more people claiming to be CHRISTian. But are they really? That i for GOD to judge.
PrinceJedimaster 2 years ago
He is the Creator of the universe, He has the right to judge His creation.
You are not the one who determines what the law is. God established His law and He carries it out.
FillTheirVoid 2 years ago
Well...it would be helpful if we could SEE your Judge, like the man in the animation can SEE his. That would make a bit of a differance. Also, your Judge punishes in cruel and unusual ways, ie;eternal torture and torment. This video is Christian propoganda.
GeneralJet69 3 years ago
You will see Him, when you appear in court on the day of your death. The scripture says He will repay you to your face.
You don't determine the legitimacy of the punishment, you are not God. God is the one who determines the legitimacy and justness of the punishment.
FillTheirVoid 2 years ago
Isn't that venom fang?
kdude1234567 3 years ago
Yes.
Kutle55 3 years ago
Amen!
Im a sinner Saved by Grace Praise Jesus* for the opportunity to be set free
from the awaiting; wide open mouth of hell.
Terri3210 3 years ago
interestng anime. 5 years and a 10 thousand dollar fine for robbing a bank, stealing a car, punching a monkey (props for that. Made me laugh) and wrecking the stolen car and an ice cream truck. But an eternity of torture, for something like blasphemy. Get this through your head. Eternal torture is a punishment that there is no possible act that could deserve it. Eternally torturing someone could be, but he'd never get to the point of being judjed, since he's doing it eternally...
Kimbert91 3 years ago
if the judicial system would torture me for all my life for even thinking about stealing, then yes, i would hate it. I think everyone would. Laws are good, but they're supposed to be reasonable, and fit the crime. So no infinite torture of fire for saying a bad word for instance...
Kimbert91 3 years ago
an inspireing vid there. i hav no religion, but you are always making me have second thoughts write back please, thankyou
TenaciousSkaven 3 years ago
I'm always glad to inspire thought.
Thanks for watching.
theTRUTHgroup 3 years ago
thanks for making
TenaciousSkaven 3 years ago
why are there more christians and religious people in jail than atheists even by percentages... the judicial system is based on evidence (theres that word again, whats up with that)... which is apparently not understood by religious fanatics who believe/think that belief trumps everything... jump off a cliff and start believing you can fly and see if you come to the conclusion that belief ISNT everything BEFORE you go splat, at least then you died a smarter person than you lived
MagnumVD 3 years ago
Again, I'll have to stick with the Bible on this one.
It says...
(Luke 4:12)"...Thou shalt not tempt the Lord thy God."
Jumping from a cliff is not a faith issue, it's a stupidity issue.
theTRUTHgroup 3 years ago
@MagnumVD Ya seriously Satan did the same thing to Jesus but obviously Jesus was obviously not stupid jumping off a cliff based on belief is stupid don't tempt God.
christlover3000 1 year ago
In the actual Greek text of 2Peter 3:9 it says "God was not willing that any of Us should perish, but that all of Us should come to repentence." The book, 2Peter was written to the elect. We're not able to come to Jesus unless the Father who sent Him draw us to Him. John 6:44. We're not free-willed. Enemies of God before birth, until He adopts us as Children of God! No moral ability is in the unregenerate. It's a matter of wether or not He accepted us!
strumsaway 3 years ago
Great vid :)
Tighty whities is funny
VersatileMind4Christ 3 years ago
God gives us our whole lives to accept him. The problem is, none of us know how long that's going to be. If we could wait until after death when God was right in front of us, it would make things a lot easier. But then everyone would do that and there would be no point in following God at all during life. God wants us to follow him now. He wants that commitment from us while we are still on earth and he has given us so much time to make that decision, but once we die, there is no more time.
ctgore 3 years ago
Look at all the monkeys he DIDN'T punch!!!! That mean old judge!!!!! (HA! HA!)
RaptureAlert 3 years ago
"punched a monkey in the head"...I almost choked to death on a pecan. Anyway I love the videos, and the messages and share them as often as possible! God Bless :)
tabowyer 3 years ago
I cracked up too! That was a GREAT plot twist. Didn't see that one coming. HA!!!
RaptureAlert 3 years ago
This comment has received too many negative votes show
The problem here is that you
1) assume that god exists
2) assume that if god exists, you're religion
is the right one.
3) that even within your religion, your definition and interpretation of it is the right one.
whamii 3 years ago
Nope...
it's your assumption that these things are not true.
I, on the other hand, KNOW that they are true.
theTRUTHgroup 3 years ago
Oh I'm sure you know it's true, just as a Jew, Muslim, Buddhist, catholic etc... know that they are right. But that's a whole different debate.
Now, the comparison with the judicial system, the difference is that in the judicial system you are innocent until proven guilty, where in christianity we all have to pay for adam an eve, very just indeed eh?
whamii 3 years ago
Nope...
you're just guilty because you're guilty.
It's not about proving innocence.
That's impossible.
It's about how your guilt will be dealt with...
Will you pay the price or will you let God do it for you?
theTRUTHgroup 3 years ago
"whamii", we have already been proven guilty.
cadborasaurus 3 years ago
Please share the information you have that allowed you to know.
kff 3 years ago
Like Romans where we learn that All have sinned and fallen short of the Glory of GOD. We are all sinners, but like people have asked you. And the video showed, JESUS came to pay the ulitmate price for thoe sins. Will you accept HIM paying for you, or do you want to pay for yourself? I pray you come to the right decision.
PrinceJedimaster 2 years ago
lol exactly! The maker of this video hit that on a nail. by you saying their is no god is saying and making and wanting us to believe you are right but... when the tables are turned and thought the reverse you the viewer and non believe are left with the same tactical nonsense that was giving before ~love it~ IN OTHER WORDS WHAT SIDE IS MORE "BIGOTED" Christians no, if i said the sky was blue, would i be a bigot no! it's truth but.. non believers expect us to believe them
donjuan1demarco 3 years ago
No. Wrong. Wrong. Wrong. You are claiming something so you must prove it. End of story. Yes you do have to prove innocence. The fact that you say anything else shows that you don't agree with our judicial system. You say that your God is the right God, then you have to prove it. You can't make wild claims and expect everyone to think it's the truth, which it's not it's an opinion, without evidence. It's not true until it has been proven without a reasonable doubt.
Tylonous 3 years ago
You can take that up with God when you get to the Judgment Seat.
I can see it now, "Prove to me that you're my judge! I don't believe you. Where's your evidence?!"
I think it's about time you wake up.
theTRUTHgroup 3 years ago
No. I'm not that conceded. If your God was real and I asked him if the bible was accurate, and his answer was yes, then I would flip him off and gladly go to hell. I don't want an eternity with that kind of ass-hole.
Tylonous 3 years ago
I regretfully look forward to seeing if you're truly a man of your word.
theTRUTHgroup 3 years ago
You know God's mistake is that he loves even people like you, so profound and unconditional is his love to people that its IMPOSSIBLE for man to love the same way, truly, and Daniel i think you agree with me that no one can forgive and love like God does yeh? This Tylonous would flip off God and God would still love him after that, but we Christians would be tempted in every way to flip him off back right? but i pray we never do! in Jesus mighty name i pray truly.
Sergei91 3 years ago
AWESOME VIDEO.
friend7777777 3 years ago
yep exactly god is our judge, if you believe in him or not
Christians4Justice 3 years ago 2
i dont mind the judicial system because the punishment is relative to the crime. if god sent me to 40 years of punishment for my immoralities i would accept that. an eterniy of torture u wouldnt see in the film hostel..not too judicial system like!!yes if anything,the logical judicial system is like catholicsm if anything!! the metaphor to a court system is way off and misses the main oppostion to the concept of final judgement. LIKE ALL YOUR VIDEOS V.POOR.oh and you are NOT FUNNY!not even a bit
icandodgebullets86 3 years ago
Well, unfortunately you're wrong.
The court room is a perfect comparison for the Judgment Seat of Christ.
Your disagreement just shows how much you don't understand about the true God.
theTRUTHgroup 3 years ago
To answer your question "Does this say anything to you? " What I got from this chapter of this book was the following:
-- It is authored by Saint Paul
-- Paul wishes to visit Rome
-- Paul states "The Righteous Will Live by Faith", which I got as Christians are to believe and/or be faithful.
-- Paul claims the whole world should know who the Judeo-Christian god is.
-- Paul claims the world is guilty before this same god.
-- Paul claims this same god makes it impossible for some to believe (odd)
brianblackberry 3 years ago
To respond, I read Romans chapter 1, I am guessing you specifically refer to Romans 1:20. It seems to refer to the idea of the Judeo-Christian god's existence is obvious through nature. Well I can accept that some isolated tribe would look at the world as say "a divine being made this!", and perhaps they believe such a being is 'almighty' but how would they know that it is the specific Judeo-Christian god without anyone telling? If no one does, why would a hell be the place for them?
brianblackberry 3 years ago
The bible is the most overrated piece of fiction ever thought up by man
thevalkerie 3 years ago
...punched a monkey in the head...! SOO FUNNY!!!
aethiops007 3 years ago
cool vid and quite humorous:-)
funiron 3 years ago
There are a few flaws with comparing God with a judge. First of all, A judge (on earth) will not punish someone for not worshiping them. You will not get thrown in jail for not worshoping a judge. I follow God's laws (treat people with respect ect...) but I don't worship him because I don't know if he exists. I know the judge exists. I can see and hear the judge so I will obey his laws. If God would let everyone know he exists and tell us in person what to do I would do it.
DaRkJoKeR77 3 years ago
Well, you've already got the law and the prophets.
If you're not going to believe them, then you're not going to believe even if someone were to come back from the dead and tell you. (Luke 16:31)
And, by the way, not worshiping God is the least of your problems as far as the law is concerned. (lying, stealing, blasphemy, greed, corruption, lust, hatred, pride, covetousness, etc...)
Don't forget, God is the ultimate and perfect judge.
theTRUTHgroup 3 years ago
My apologies for getting into the debate that is not mine to begin with, but I would like to comment on this as well.
In terms of the prophets, there have been quite a number of them in the past few thousan years, from all over the world. However, some were much better orators than others, so why should they be selected over all other ones? And how come they just don't seem to show up in the modern day and age as much as they did before?
Spetsop 3 years ago
Well, generally speaking, Jesus has been our prophet for the past 2000 years.
Once he came on the scene, except for a brief 3 day period, he still lives.
So, we don't have a need for another one to rise up.
That's one of the big reasons that the Mormon church is wrong in trying to have a current, modern day prophet.
theTRUTHgroup 3 years ago
I'm not talking just about Christianity. I'm talking about all religions in the world. There have been at least one prophet for all different types of religions, but only a few gained great popularity among people. Well, what's the difference between religion and Bible really? Why is it that the Bible is the 'ultimate unchanging truth', yet it has been rewritten several times?
Spetsop 3 years ago
The real God has the real truth and the real scriptures and the real prophets, etc...
Religion has a man-made God, man-made half truths, man-made scriptures, man-made prophets, etc...
theTRUTHgroup 3 years ago
Alright, I agree with you on the religious aspect. However, has the real God communicated with humanity in any way? Has real God united everyone? So far the world seems to be divided as to 'which' God is real.
P.S. As much as we differ in our opinions, I must give you a credit for actually allowing the comments to be posted here and responding to them. You are actully THE first religious person with whom I was able to have a normal debate with. Thank you for that!
Spetsop 3 years ago
Yes, he left us an 'owners manual' in the glove box.
When we read it, we find out that God has a plan that He's been orchestrating for about 6000 years.
False Gods, false Messiahs, division, strife, etc... are all explained in His Word.
He's told us about it before-hand so that we would know what to expect and how to handle it.
And, it's yet another way that He shows us that He's God. (His prophecies are always 100% true.)
So, read the book and search it out for yourself.
The truth is in there.
theTRUTHgroup 3 years ago
"not worshiping God is the least of your problems as far as the law is concerned."
The point I was trying to make is that God will send you to hell for not worshoping him even if you a good person and don't do anything like lying, stealing, blasphemy, greed, corruption, lust, hatred, pride, covetousness, etc...
A judge on earth will not punish you just for not worshoping him.
DaRkJoKeR77 3 years ago
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Really?...
You should go into a court and try to disrespect the judge.
Or, walk up and throw the flag on the ground.
Or, maybe start spouting off anti-American rhetoric.
Once you can accomplish these without being 'punished', then you can get back to me.
theTRUTHgroup 3 years ago
Wow, that is one of the biggest strawman arguements I have ever heard. I never said I would disrespect the judge or do any of that. What I ment by not worshoping the judge was that I would not worship him the same way you worship God. Like I said before a judge (on earth) will not punish you for not praying to him or not showing up at his house every week to worship him. God punishes good people for simply not doing these things even if thay follow the moral laws he sets.
DaRkJoKeR77 3 years ago
Nope.
Wrong again...
The reverence and respect towards God is no different than the reverence and respect towards a court. (minus the obvious spiritual implications, of course)
Try not showing up for your court date.
Try going against the judges ruling.
Try spewing vulgarities to his face.
By the way, God doesn't punish people for not going to church.
Don't let your head get clouded by the American church system.
theTRUTHgroup 3 years ago
You just touched on the difference. People are imprisoned for rehabilitation, your God is morally inferior because its all about eternal punishment.
kff 3 years ago
Great job!
HanDuet 3 years ago
Wait... who's our 'Lord', God or Jesus? Never mind that... it's not that we 'non-believers' hate judicial system, it's that the 'judicial system as portrayed by God' is stupid. FYI, it wasn't from God, it was from other men, who wanted to control other men but anyways. Honsetly, you guys make your God sound very, um, attention hungry and, yes, egoistic. "Worship me, do as I say, kill others who believe in other Gods OR if they are non-believers" and I shall spare you... sounds cheesy to me.
Spetsop 3 years ago
You obviously have a HUGE misunderstanding of who God is.
It actually sounds more like you're describing the American government.
I'm guessing you have a big problem with authority, no?
theTRUTHgroup 3 years ago
Absolutely not, I do not have any problem with authority... if the authority is just and fair to everyone. Unfortunately, God, the way he is described by religion, just doesn't seem to fit this picture.
Spetsop 3 years ago
Don't listen to the way 'religion' describes him.
Read the Bible for yourself.
God will show you what's up.
You can't possibly get any MORE fair and just than the Almighty Creator of the Universe.
theTRUTHgroup 3 years ago
You are thinking of human fairness which changes like the wind. GODs fairness though is everlasting. Praise GOD!!!
PrinceJedimaster 2 years ago
Good eye for the shirt.
Kudos!
theTRUTHgroup 3 years ago
Great video man!
drybomber5 3 years ago 4
I here there is a Christian doctrine called "Limited Atonement" that Jesus didn't die for everyone in the world, just particular people known as "the elect". Any thoughts or comments on that?
brianblackberry 3 years ago
The scripture tells us that God's grace and forgiveness are available to everybody.
(2 Peter 3:9)
"The Lord is..., not willing that ANY should perish, but that ALL should come to repentance."
(John 3:16)
"For God so loved the WORLD, that he gave his only begotten Son, that WHOSOEVER believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life."
theTRUTHgroup 3 years ago
That creates another issue I see with this belief, what about people who would never have the opportunity to hear of Jehovah, Jesus, Bible, etc. They are so isolated the information for them simply doesn't exist as no one has ever told them and there was no past knowledge, what is suppose to happen to them?
brianblackberry 3 years ago
I appreciate your concern for them.
But, the more important question is...
what's your excuse?
Meaning that we shouldn't get distracted by those 'what ifs' and 'but maybes'.
We don't have to worry about that problem because we already know what's available.
As far as those who don't, that should motivate us to go forth or support those who do.
Besides, Romans 1:20 makes up for that.
God has his ways.
theTRUTHgroup 3 years ago
But wait... if God created ALL... shouldn't he also create a way for ALL to hear his word? Who's fault is it then, that not everone will hear his word?
"... we shouldn't get distracted by those 'what ifs' and 'but maybe's. We don't ahve to worry about that problem...' isn't that a sin? To ignore and not spread the word around? Sound's kind of selfish don't you think?
Spetsop 3 years ago
Sounds good to me...
I expect that you'll start doing everything you can to help spread the truth to the world?
But, don't forget Romans 1:20.
God gets to everybody. He's in control and he knows what he's doing.
theTRUTHgroup 3 years ago
Hmm... no, I don't think I'll get into that 'spreading the truth around the world' business. No point in that really. Everyone will always have their own beliefs (that's why God created free will right?). It's just a little unfair, I think, that he gave preference for some people but not the others. If ANYONE should do the 'spreading of the truth' around the world, it SHOULD be God himself. After all, he does come in visions to some... but not the others. Once again, selection at work?
Spetsop 3 years ago
Nope...
he gives us the law and the prophets.
Besides that, Romans 1:20 shows that he has ways to take care of the rest.
theTRUTHgroup 3 years ago
Since there is no doubt there are people who never heard about any Christian doctrine or of the Judeo-Christian god through no fault of their own (they never had a chance to 'hear'), and they have certainly died in the past, are you saying the Judeo-Christian God creates some people with the express purpose of sending them to hell?
Since you say "he is in control".
where is the justice in that?
brianblackberry 3 years ago
Brian, this is about you and God.
Blame him then for not helping the rest of the world, it´s his job, right, but now he talks to you and only you.
Give your life to Christ, it belongs to him, then let´s see where you will go to spread the good news of salvation from sin and guilt, that you then understood.
God is in controle and one day we will understand the big picture, today is your day.
Be egoistic and take care about yourself!
meinaim 3 years ago
Well if this is all true, then there must be a just answer for this, correct? So what of those who could never hear this message, not even that such a message even exists? Wouldn't a truly just deity give them a "real chance" to avoid suffering after death?
I am not casting blame, I am seeing if all your claims have the inkling of truth. Because to me these questions of mine display a large discrepancy in the Christian claim everyone in the world has this ample opportunity to believe.
brianblackberry 3 years ago
Brian, God gave all of us his law into our hearts. We know when we do evil, don´t we?
God will not condem "good" people, just because they do not know the name of Jesus.
God is justice, don´t worry about that. The book of Romans 1-3 talk about those people.
But back to you. Do you reject the lifeboat, because some passengers don´t know there are any? Or even don´t know they are in danger?
I don´t think so.
meinaim 3 years ago
A better analogy would be people placed on a ship that will sink without a choice in the matter and they have no clue about lifeboats either. Personally I would be very concerned for their safety since no one seems to tell them about said lifeboats. It would be more selfless to make sure they get to the lifeboats before I would. that would be the altruistic thing to do.
brianblackberry 3 years ago
...did you see Titanic? Did they help each other into the boats?
What is it that flight attendences teach?
Help yourself, then help others.
If you are a Christian, meaning that if you repented, your life got changed by God so you are in that boat, then you can help others.
You are then outside of the boat and see the damage, then you can aid others.
Brian, get into the boat. This is a dying world, it´s obvious and the bible foretold it.
We will face God with empty hands to pay for our guilt.
meinaim 3 years ago
Yes I saw Titanic, still would you help those who are helpless get into the lifeboats first even at the risk you cannot, or would you rather just get in yourself without helping, knowing only then you would make it?
brianblackberry 3 years ago
you are not able to help others when lost by yourself.
but it´s ok, this leads nowhere.
I´ll try to send you an explanation in context of the bible of Romans 1 soon, if you are interested?!
meinaim 3 years ago
Sure, as I always try to understand why people believe what they do, I will be happy to hear your commentary on Romans 1, as I may find it interesting and informative (although such things produces many hard questions from me).
brianblackberry 3 years ago
Faaaaairy Tales! I wish all the unbelievers could wrap their heads around this simple concept. Fun, intelligent vid, thanks!
firecharger 3 years ago
nice video
Christistheone 3 years ago
God is my Judge?
that is TERRIFYING!!!
HE IS SO HOLY!!!
tobigforyou 3 years ago
Ya know....
The name "Daniel" means "God is my Judge".
=)
God bless you guys.
MWM958 3 years ago 3
Hey, you get bonus points for knowing that.
theTRUTHgroup 3 years ago
You're not so wrong in making that comparison. After all Abba (a name God is often referred to) means father. God is much like a parent. He has a lot of the hard duties as a parent. No parent likes to ground/spank their kid. No parent wants to deprive their child from anything. But when your child doesn't listen and doesn't follow your rules, even after explaining the consequences time and again you're left with no choice but to punish them OUT OF LOVE. See a connection?
Awetumn 3 years ago
Honestly, I understand what you mean. I agree, if God were to send someone to hell for stealing an apple because he's poor and hungry- it seems harsh. But does that person know and love God? If that person could have his "moral slate" cleaned in one humble instant, but refused to say sorry- isnt his biggest sin to be stubborn, remorseless and prideful? When all it takes to stay out of hell is to humble yourself to God, believe and give him glory but you refuse what choice does a sinner give him?
Awetumn 3 years ago
I think you're missing out on one important point here. It doesn't matter if his sin is "minor" or not. You're putting sin on a human based scale. Who are you to say what is minor and what is major? To God sin is sin. God has and will again send his children to hell. Just as the mother of a murderer would turn in her son because she loves him enough to do what is right and just. It doesn't mean she likes it. But the real point? No matter how "moral" they are, to reject God is to reject his love.
Awetumn 3 years ago
It's called an Example
sparkshot 3 years ago
Let me see if I get the point. VFX believes he is Jesus who is willing to represent (us) before God and has paid the price for our sins?
GregQzag 3 years ago
VFX Played a part. much like actor play parts in movies. I hope that answeed your question. GOD Bless!
PrinceJedimaster 2 years ago
human justice = innocent untill proven guilty.
Christian justice = Guilty! untill excused.
Guilty by an invisible court room I mean!
Danmill23 3 years ago
i kinda agree with you but look at the human justice though! it certainly isnt innocent until proven guilty! come on mate! its arrest and ask questions later!
scrawny2brawny 3 years ago
atheists are such idiots
pyramidhead138 3 years ago
Well done!
Domingo0022 3 years ago
Nice try, but God is also impartial.
He's loving, just like a human judge should be.
But, he's also impartially just, just like a human judge should be.
And, the bottom line is...
NOBODY lives a 'morally good life'.
The point of God's Law is to prove that to us.
(Romans 3:19)
"Now we know that what things soever the law saith, it saith to them who are under the law: that EVERY MOUTH MAY BE STOPPED, and ALL THE WORLD MAY BECOME GUILTY before God.
theTRUTHgroup 3 years ago
absolutely hilarious, but ill remain close minded thank you. great way to put it though, 5 stars no question.
abacacus 3 years ago 3
Good stuff :)
JohnMuise 3 years ago 4
haha your great brother great job
leehec 3 years ago 4