@shadowgeyser yes, that is why i am actually for taxing the rich shadow, i think these bastards need to pay their fair share, of course using the modern day tax code has so many loop holes in it, i think it would be great to close those loop holes, but goodness forbid the dems and the gop let that happen
but, when it is as at the moment, just everyone is corrupt, or nearly everyone. And those who are NOT corrupt have a very HARD TIME. In an anti-socialistic as well as in a socialistic staate u will have a few ppl who act or think different. But as the examples showed, the MAJORITY, of actions is influenced by it. And as i said, even if u try to be corrupt in a socialistic staate or country, u will have a hard time and u will get exposed easily, and quickly.
oh and im no optimist or pessimist, im a realist. Im not saying that communism will 100% suceed, BUT,its the only thing in history that EVER worked against capitalism.If u want a change in this situation, communism is ur best option, despite what media and history may tell u about it. I gather up facts, an its not my belief,but facts that proove certain of my theories right. As i said im not naive and saying it will 100% work with communism,but communism is the only option we have.
the only thing u can do is become a anti-capitalist, and fight back by exposing capitalistic shit which is mainly communism, or actually always comunism, all small branches, also antifa or anarchism, are only a part of communism. However communism is the strongest influenced by socialism.Socialism as a whole is a great and big part of socialism. And yeah, anti capitalists want the exact opposite, they want more taxes for rich less for poor, more working loang, better education etc.
Indeed we need progressive taxes, all the rich people are shoveling money, while the lower classes get poorer and poorer. In germany we have regressive taxes, and whats happening? --> economy goes down, people get poor, the rich earn cash to no end. In summer 2010 our stupid government decided to LOWER tax rates for RICH people! WTF? Fuck this system, high progressive taxes for anyone who has money for eternity!
@TheFreeFlow well according to the libertarians, and the neocons, if we give tax breaks to the rich they will hire people, which is a bunch of bull crap, so yes we need to tax the rich more, so we can get revenue back, and get the jobs back here!
well here u mask urself: They hire rich people then or the police(the bulls).... how is that even possible? Because there is no true socialism, in a true socialistic staate the bulls would always act out the laws and not by personal greed, in a socialistic staate even if 1 bull would try he it would get out fast and hed be judged. The problem in our modern day is: everyone is corrupt, police is corrupt, so no ones notices if u are corrupt to.
@TheFreeFlow ok, so let's just keep the system as is? no i do not think so, that was what i was trying to say, i think we do need more socialist policies, but in america socialism is so demonised here, it is kind of hard to do so, but there always will be the corrupt, but we do not give up the fight man, no we do not
well here its not that much better, socialists and also communists often get a "cold shoulder" instantly. But what else do u want to do? The only succesfull movement that exists is either communism, or single movements which at least have communistic elements in it. Else, u can only live on, and wait what happens. If ur really satisfied with it its ur life and decision, i am not, and since this kind of life is fucked up anyway, id rather die fighting then living on as a slave.
to that point: Yeah as i said somewhere else or here, there will always be people or are corrupt ur just plain assholes. BUT: if the whole system is corrupt, und u are to, u wont attract any further attention. In a socialist system where the majority of the people is different, and aware, u can try, but u will get exposed quickly and easily. In such a system u wouldnt have chances. In this system u have massive chances to be an corrupt, money making, asshole.
well the libertarian system, is at least in the USA, a case for itself. But at least the branch of GOP, or the socialists-liberian-communists, is a case for itself as i said. There are many things which the main GOP people are not okay with, for example alone bush joining the libertarians, they were against it, bush ignored it, just as he ignored the votes once. Or one, radical, branch of GOP which is against gay marriage, all main GOP branches are strictly against them.
but this goes even deeper.... well im not stupid^^ But im also definitely no pro for liberterian communism in america. If u are interested u might want to visit weird liberal heads channel, there u will find some real "pros"in GOP and the true american liberans.
I know and thanks^^ i know its like david vs goliath actually... and that we actually have no chance. Okay im actually no person to really talk, okay i have my low living standard, i revolted slightly already before, but the true change came is i used everything i had, ripped "my ass open" to say it in ger, and still got nothing in return for my hard work... that was when i pledged even my life to a change, and then i discovered communism, and over weeks i begann to understand it
again not the free market system nono. If it were so, it wouldnt have been a total, good, revolutionary system as it was first introduced. Its like democracy, what the people make of it. Exactly here is were we all must change, the system, but the poeple to, who must start to think about these things. Since those things influence theyre economy, and therefore theyre rights and money, and therefore theyre life to.
(3) At the same time genreally lay off workers and outsource jobs overseas. Tax cuts DONT work. By taxing the rich and redistributing the money to workers that money is used immediately on needs and debts and therefore flows back into the economy. Keynsianism contrary to what tea party fascists would ahve us believes works. Taking money out of the hands of greedy CEOS and using it to create jobs and relief for the needy primes the pump of the economy and causes it to flourish.
(2) ....Are compensated by subsidies to give equal leverage to the poor. the poor need protection because they earn very litlte and as such pay more of what little they earn than the wealthy especially on neccesities They are also more vulnerable to rip offs and expolitation than the wealthy and have little access to resources we take for granted. Hence, cutting taxes for the rich doesnt relieve society, it burdens it down even more. The rich save and keep it for themselves and...
(1)Its either tax the rich or tax the poor. You can't ave it any other way no ifs ands or buts.
If we don't tax the rich and make them pay their fair share, the burden is ultimately pushed onto the poor and small businesses not to mention our shrinking middle class. This comes in the form of lost benefits to compensate for wealthy gouging up prices or for subsidized housing, eventually even higher taxes on sales and such. When Democrats are in charge costs are kept to a minimum or...
PROGRESSIVES ARE NOT EVIL progressive tax takes more from rich people thn from poor and if they take the same amount of tax from each the poor will get poorer... and regressive.. do u really think poor people should suffer to make urself richer...
100% of income is spent is the only valid assertion as every 1 goes though periods of more and less spending 2 income. Some people choose 2 spend less, 2 save 4 retirement. while some will spend every bit of their wealth as they earn it (rich and poor). Some wealth is given away and spent by others. Sales tax gets those. All taxes are payed because a consumer bought your product or service. income taxes are just convoluted sales taxes from this perspective.
WOW.
leftwingersunited 4 months ago
@shadowgeyser yes, that is why i am actually for taxing the rich shadow, i think these bastards need to pay their fair share, of course using the modern day tax code has so many loop holes in it, i think it would be great to close those loop holes, but goodness forbid the dems and the gop let that happen
whedonfreak976 10 months ago
@whedonfreak976
but, when it is as at the moment, just everyone is corrupt, or nearly everyone. And those who are NOT corrupt have a very HARD TIME. In an anti-socialistic as well as in a socialistic staate u will have a few ppl who act or think different. But as the examples showed, the MAJORITY, of actions is influenced by it. And as i said, even if u try to be corrupt in a socialistic staate or country, u will have a hard time and u will get exposed easily, and quickly.
TheFreeFlow 10 months ago
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TheFreeFlow 10 months ago
@shadowgeyser
oh and im no optimist or pessimist, im a realist. Im not saying that communism will 100% suceed, BUT,its the only thing in history that EVER worked against capitalism.If u want a change in this situation, communism is ur best option, despite what media and history may tell u about it. I gather up facts, an its not my belief,but facts that proove certain of my theories right. As i said im not naive and saying it will 100% work with communism,but communism is the only option we have.
TheFreeFlow 10 months ago
@shadowgeyser
the only thing u can do is become a anti-capitalist, and fight back by exposing capitalistic shit which is mainly communism, or actually always comunism, all small branches, also antifa or anarchism, are only a part of communism. However communism is the strongest influenced by socialism.Socialism as a whole is a great and big part of socialism. And yeah, anti capitalists want the exact opposite, they want more taxes for rich less for poor, more working loang, better education etc.
TheFreeFlow 10 months ago
Indeed we need progressive taxes, all the rich people are shoveling money, while the lower classes get poorer and poorer. In germany we have regressive taxes, and whats happening? --> economy goes down, people get poor, the rich earn cash to no end. In summer 2010 our stupid government decided to LOWER tax rates for RICH people! WTF? Fuck this system, high progressive taxes for anyone who has money for eternity!
TheFreeFlow 10 months ago
@TheFreeFlow well according to the libertarians, and the neocons, if we give tax breaks to the rich they will hire people, which is a bunch of bull crap, so yes we need to tax the rich more, so we can get revenue back, and get the jobs back here!
whedonfreak976 10 months ago
@whedonfreak976
well here u mask urself: They hire rich people then or the police(the bulls).... how is that even possible? Because there is no true socialism, in a true socialistic staate the bulls would always act out the laws and not by personal greed, in a socialistic staate even if 1 bull would try he it would get out fast and hed be judged. The problem in our modern day is: everyone is corrupt, police is corrupt, so no ones notices if u are corrupt to.
TheFreeFlow 10 months ago
@TheFreeFlow ok, so let's just keep the system as is? no i do not think so, that was what i was trying to say, i think we do need more socialist policies, but in america socialism is so demonised here, it is kind of hard to do so, but there always will be the corrupt, but we do not give up the fight man, no we do not
whedonfreak976 10 months ago
@whedonfreak976
well here its not that much better, socialists and also communists often get a "cold shoulder" instantly. But what else do u want to do? The only succesfull movement that exists is either communism, or single movements which at least have communistic elements in it. Else, u can only live on, and wait what happens. If ur really satisfied with it its ur life and decision, i am not, and since this kind of life is fucked up anyway, id rather die fighting then living on as a slave.
TheFreeFlow 10 months ago
@TheFreeFlow i give you credit, you are a fighter, and i like that same here, but too bad there is not enough fighters out there, oh well
whedonfreak976 10 months ago
@whedonfreak976
to that point: Yeah as i said somewhere else or here, there will always be people or are corrupt ur just plain assholes. BUT: if the whole system is corrupt, und u are to, u wont attract any further attention. In a socialist system where the majority of the people is different, and aware, u can try, but u will get exposed quickly and easily. In such a system u wouldnt have chances. In this system u have massive chances to be an corrupt, money making, asshole.
TheFreeFlow 10 months ago
@TheFreeFlow so let the free market destroy the market? we have been down that road, not a pretty sight
whedonfreak976 10 months ago
@whedonfreak976
well the libertarian system, is at least in the USA, a case for itself. But at least the branch of GOP, or the socialists-liberian-communists, is a case for itself as i said. There are many things which the main GOP people are not okay with, for example alone bush joining the libertarians, they were against it, bush ignored it, just as he ignored the votes once. Or one, radical, branch of GOP which is against gay marriage, all main GOP branches are strictly against them.
TheFreeFlow 10 months ago
@whedonfreak976
but this goes even deeper.... well im not stupid^^ But im also definitely no pro for liberterian communism in america. If u are interested u might want to visit weird liberal heads channel, there u will find some real "pros"in GOP and the true american liberans.
TheFreeFlow 10 months ago
@TheFreeFlow thank you so much, i will
whedonfreak976 10 months ago
@TheFreeFlow and yes i agree with your point, that is why i am opossed to the libertarian syatem, sorry i forgot to say that
whedonfreak976 10 months ago
@whedonfreak976
I know and thanks^^ i know its like david vs goliath actually... and that we actually have no chance. Okay im actually no person to really talk, okay i have my low living standard, i revolted slightly already before, but the true change came is i used everything i had, ripped "my ass open" to say it in ger, and still got nothing in return for my hard work... that was when i pledged even my life to a change, and then i discovered communism, and over weeks i begann to understand it
TheFreeFlow 10 months ago
@whedonfreak976
again not the free market system nono. If it were so, it wouldnt have been a total, good, revolutionary system as it was first introduced. Its like democracy, what the people make of it. Exactly here is were we all must change, the system, but the poeple to, who must start to think about these things. Since those things influence theyre economy, and therefore theyre rights and money, and therefore theyre life to.
TheFreeFlow 10 months ago
(3) At the same time genreally lay off workers and outsource jobs overseas. Tax cuts DONT work. By taxing the rich and redistributing the money to workers that money is used immediately on needs and debts and therefore flows back into the economy. Keynsianism contrary to what tea party fascists would ahve us believes works. Taking money out of the hands of greedy CEOS and using it to create jobs and relief for the needy primes the pump of the economy and causes it to flourish.
turnofffox 10 months ago
(2) ....Are compensated by subsidies to give equal leverage to the poor. the poor need protection because they earn very litlte and as such pay more of what little they earn than the wealthy especially on neccesities They are also more vulnerable to rip offs and expolitation than the wealthy and have little access to resources we take for granted. Hence, cutting taxes for the rich doesnt relieve society, it burdens it down even more. The rich save and keep it for themselves and...
turnofffox 10 months ago
(1)Its either tax the rich or tax the poor. You can't ave it any other way no ifs ands or buts.
If we don't tax the rich and make them pay their fair share, the burden is ultimately pushed onto the poor and small businesses not to mention our shrinking middle class. This comes in the form of lost benefits to compensate for wealthy gouging up prices or for subsidized housing, eventually even higher taxes on sales and such. When Democrats are in charge costs are kept to a minimum or...
turnofffox 10 months ago
PROGRESSIVES ARE NOT EVIL progressive tax takes more from rich people thn from poor and if they take the same amount of tax from each the poor will get poorer... and regressive.. do u really think poor people should suffer to make urself richer...
kittycatzmeow 10 months ago
@kittycatzmeow But don't tell that to the teaparty movement.
turnofffox 10 months ago
PROGRESSIVES ARE EVIL!!!!!!
TheMethadoneParty 1 year ago
THANKS
1nalawest 2 years ago
100% of income is spent is the only valid assertion as every 1 goes though periods of more and less spending 2 income. Some people choose 2 spend less, 2 save 4 retirement. while some will spend every bit of their wealth as they earn it (rich and poor). Some wealth is given away and spent by others. Sales tax gets those. All taxes are payed because a consumer bought your product or service. income taxes are just convoluted sales taxes from this perspective.
dtvgmedia 2 years ago
Short, easy-to-understand-- nice!
gavinandresen 3 years ago